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Hello everyone and welcome to Everything Iconic

1:11

with me, Denny Kelle Creno. I'm here

1:13

with Chelsea Hanler who's got a new

1:15

book out. I'll have what she's having.

1:17

Chelsea, how are you today? I'm well, thank you. How

1:19

are you doing? Good, the book is so good.

1:21

I was up late laughing and enjoying it. I

1:24

got to, I'm not quite finished, I do apologize,

1:26

but I'm about 200 pages in so I'm at

1:28

the tail and so good. I just love your

1:30

writing. I just love your writing so much. I

1:32

just love your writing so much. I just love

1:35

your writing so much. Your writing has been so

1:37

impactful to me. I'm an author myself, and I

1:39

remember so vividly when I lived in Chicago about

1:41

15 years ago picking up your book, and there

1:43

was a guy named Joel Derfner. It was my

1:46

horizontal life, which was your first book, and this

1:48

other book, Swish. And I remember getting them at

1:50

a bookstore and being like, oh my God, people

1:52

are writing and they're being funny about their dating

1:54

lives and their work lives and all of these

1:56

kinds of things, and it sort of opened up

1:58

a whole world for me. say thank you. Oh

2:01

thank you love to hear that. So what is

2:03

it like now this is your seventh book

2:05

do you still I don't know what's

2:07

the process like for you still going

2:09

into another book? I mean this book

2:11

was born out of like I

2:13

had had a very public relationship

2:16

with Joe Coy another comedian and

2:18

this book kind of came about

2:20

because of that relationship because I

2:22

was in this public romance and

2:24

everyone was so excited and happy

2:26

for me and I and it

2:28

was so sweet the public's reaction

2:30

to the relationship and it was

2:32

very public facing and so an

2:34

editor approached me and was like

2:36

we would love for you to

2:38

write a book about falling in

2:40

love like you know if you

2:42

can fall in love you know,

2:44

than anyone can. And we want

2:46

to hear about it. And I

2:49

was all for it. I thought,

2:51

wow, yeah, what an unexpected kind

2:53

of treat for me to be

2:55

the person singing from rooftops about

2:57

this love affair and this great

2:59

new relationship. I thought for sure,

3:01

you know, we were going to

3:03

end up together, all of those

3:05

things. And so I took the

3:08

book on under that umbrella and

3:10

then we broke up and then

3:12

I thought, well, what am I going to

3:14

write about now? And I had done this

3:16

really meaningful episode with Glenn

3:18

Doyle's on her podcast called We

3:20

Can Do Hard Things about the

3:22

breakup and about the being different

3:25

in a breakup. You know, growing

3:27

up enough to understand how to

3:29

be graceful within a breakup, not

3:31

to repeat. past behaviors and old

3:33

patterns and kind of nastiness. And

3:36

then we thought, okay, maybe the

3:38

book should be about that breakup.

3:40

And then I thought, I'm not

3:42

devoting an entire book to one

3:44

breakup. I've had many breakups and

3:46

I'll probably have many more. And it

3:48

doesn't seem right for me to write only

3:51

about that. So then I just kind of

3:53

put it on the on hold. And I

3:55

thought, well, I don't really know if I

3:57

have a book in me right now then.

3:59

My editor said, no, think about it.

4:01

I think you have something. You just

4:04

have to figure out what that is.

4:06

And I took about six months off

4:08

and didn't really think about it. And

4:10

then I just thought about what do

4:12

I have to say about this point

4:14

in my life? What do I have

4:16

to say after I've shared so much

4:18

with everybody for so many years? The

4:20

good bad, the ugly, the funny, the

4:22

not funny, the embarrassing, the humiliating, humiliating?

4:24

I thought, where am I now? post,

4:26

you know, I'm about to be 50,

4:28

I have all of this kind of

4:31

knowledge, but is it new? Like,

4:33

what is it, what newness can I

4:35

share? And then it kind of started

4:37

to work together like that, and

4:39

it became a book where I

4:42

shared a lot of stuff that

4:44

people don't know about me without

4:46

even... Intending to it just when

4:48

I would have come to topics in

4:50

my life. I'm like, oh, nobody knows about

4:52

all my relationships with these kids. I'm like,

4:54

that's funny. Like people will not expect me

4:57

to have so many kids in my

4:59

life. That's the last thing people would think

5:01

of me. So when I started thinking about

5:03

what things I haven't shared, they became

5:05

plentiful. And you do touch on the

5:07

breakup and I love. I love all this stuff about

5:10

your therapy throughout the book I think is

5:12

so incredibly helpful and I earmarked so many

5:14

different spots and there was something on the

5:16

breakup that I hope you don't mind I'm

5:18

sharing it there's so many great things in

5:20

this book but you say my great breakup

5:22

with Joe was a test for me to

5:24

reach a higher path one where I didn't

5:26

reduce myself to match the way I felt.

5:28

here's an opportunity for growth for sole elevation.

5:30

If you handle this with grace, you will

5:32

graduate from that old self. And it just

5:34

hit me so hard because I do think,

5:36

whether it's a relationship or just moving forward

5:38

in life, I think that's just such great

5:40

advice because sometimes you look at a hard

5:42

scenario and you think it's too much to

5:44

take on or whatever. But I think reframing

5:47

it and thinking, well, if I get through

5:49

this, I'm reaching that higher path. And I just

5:51

thought that it really hit me. So mentioning your

5:53

breakup, I thought that that was great. I thought

5:55

that was great. Oh, I love that. Yeah, I

5:57

think that's how it's kind of how we

6:00

have to approach anything that's hard or

6:02

hurtful or painful or knowing we're about

6:04

to go through a tunnel of pain

6:06

to look at it like as a

6:08

challenge like I'm gonna get through this

6:11

I'm the person who's gotten me through

6:13

everything else I've been through so I'm

6:15

a pretty reliable source at this point

6:17

and to kind of go at it

6:19

like there's going to be a beginning

6:21

middle and end because there is. What

6:24

would you, I know everyone always asks,

6:26

like, what would you say to your

6:28

younger self? What would you say to

6:30

yourself who was right before pre-therapy, pre-kind

6:32

of diving into all of that work

6:34

you talk about doing on yourself? I

6:37

mean, I would never have told myself

6:39

how long an arduous that journey would

6:41

be. I hate using the word journey

6:43

in those terms, so forgive me. I

6:45

have to forgive myself, actually, because I'm

6:47

the one. as a problem with the

6:50

word. But like if somebody had told

6:52

me how laborious, you know, that it's

6:54

going to go on for so long,

6:56

and even when you get done with

6:58

therapy, you're not done. You have to

7:01

then take in the information, you have

7:03

to absorb the information, then you have

7:05

to apply the information. It's like a

7:07

three-prong process, and it takes a long

7:09

fucking time. And I wouldn't have gone

7:11

into it had I known how long

7:14

it was going to take because I'm

7:16

not. I don't I don't say with

7:18

things very long I have you know

7:20

I have to like move on and

7:22

I bounce around a lot but it

7:24

was the most worthwhile endeavor I've you

7:27

know I've ever voluntarily you know subjected

7:29

myself to because the analysis and self-awareness

7:31

and all of the things that you

7:33

get with therapy are just invaluable it's

7:35

amazing to find out about yourself from

7:37

somebody who has no skin in the

7:40

game, so to speak. You know, when

7:42

your parents or your siblings or your

7:44

friends are giving you feedback, it's not

7:46

always received in the way that you

7:48

can receive it from somebody who does

7:50

this as for a living, at least

7:53

for me. I take advice from people

7:55

who are professionals more seriously than I

7:57

would anyone else. And so it was

7:59

a great. experience I am a completely

8:01

different person because of it I don't

8:03

know anyone who's gone to therapy and

8:06

things got worse like I don't know

8:08

anyone who comes out of therapy was

8:10

like that was a big waste of

8:12

time so I don't think there's any

8:14

way you can reduce it to something

8:17

that's not beneficial but I It's just

8:19

the duration of it that I was

8:21

like, oh my God, again, like how

8:23

many more conversations do I have to

8:25

have about getting out of my own

8:27

assole that are about me, you know,

8:30

when you're, you're so, in order to

8:32

become less self-involved, you have to become

8:34

more self-involved. It's interesting. There's a couple

8:36

of people in my life who I've

8:38

been trying to kind of get on

8:40

board with therapy for a long time,

8:43

and they still sort of have that

8:45

old way of thinking. Yeah, there's no

8:47

one is coming out of therapy and

8:49

worse. Like everyone pretty much goes there

8:51

and it's like, oh, this was a

8:53

good thing for me. It's very rare

8:56

you ever would hear someone say, oh

8:58

no, what a waste of time that

9:00

was. Like I can't believe I spent

9:02

an hour fucking doing that. So it

9:04

is good advice. You mentioned these young

9:06

people in your life and you write

9:09

about them in your book. What is

9:11

your relationship like with them now? Obviously

9:13

you wrote the book with them now.

9:15

You wrote the book with a year

9:17

ago. read that no they're all in

9:19

my life i mean i was on

9:22

the phone with one of them getting

9:24

them a ride last night from i

9:26

mean it's so funny i mean i

9:28

play this like stepfather role last night

9:30

she's like i The city and I

9:33

have to go to the country and

9:35

I was like, oh honey, don't worry,

9:37

I'll find someone who's going to drive

9:39

you and I call two friends. I'm

9:41

going upstate. I'm like, oh, they'll pick

9:43

you up at six. I mean, it's

9:46

just so ridiculous. Like, no one would

9:48

ever, even my own family is like,

9:50

what is this? Like, what is this?

9:52

Like, what is this? Like, and my

9:54

house and whistler is filled. from skiing

9:56

there are kids there. When I go

9:59

to bed there are kids. there. They

10:01

set up shop, they claim different rooms.

10:03

There's like these three sets of girls,

10:05

these two twins and a friend, they

10:07

go up to the upper living room,

10:09

like that's their own, they have their

10:12

own bathroom. It's like I have a

10:14

boarding house for children. It's good too

10:16

that I think I don't know it

10:18

takes a community to raise someone and

10:20

yeah I think it's it's cool that

10:22

you play that role in their lives

10:25

and you sort of touch on this

10:27

very briefly in the book but I

10:29

was just imagining you going to like

10:31

their sporting events and stuff and I

10:33

would love to know I would love

10:35

to be a fly in the wall

10:38

to see you with the other moms

10:40

there and like you talk about how

10:42

they're sort of looking at you. So

10:44

good. Okay, so I was a huge

10:46

fan of Chelsea lately. Obviously, so many

10:49

of us were, what are you going

10:51

to miss most about that, that time

10:53

in your life? Excuse my cough here,

10:55

trying to clear my throat. What do

10:57

I miss most about that time? I

10:59

mean, it was. No, I don't really

11:02

miss things. I kind of move on

11:04

and I love what I loved most

11:06

about it was just how ridiculously silly

11:08

we were. It was like being in

11:10

a. Trinity House, you know, and getting

11:12

paid to be stupid. Like we just

11:15

were so stupid. It was constant practical

11:17

jokes, constant fun, Margarita Thursdays, Margarita Tuesdays.

11:19

We were just always running through the

11:21

offices, like making just playing jokes on

11:23

each other and having the best time

11:25

and having such success. You know, it

11:28

was kind of like we were in

11:30

our own little Idaho like when people

11:32

used to say, oh, how does it

11:34

feel to be the only woman in

11:36

late night? I'm like, the only woman

11:38

late night. Like, I'm not even looking

11:41

at those guys. I'm having the time

11:43

of my life. Like, I'm having the

11:45

time of my life. Like, I get

11:47

to hire all my friends, we're all

11:49

comedians, we're having a summer camp, you

11:51

know, and it's because it's true. After

11:54

seven years, you're like, is this going

11:56

to tide me over for very much

11:58

longer? I kind of felt like I

12:00

wasn't, this was too, it was becoming

12:02

too easy and too effortless. Right? You

12:04

know, I loved how you introduced so

12:07

many comedians to the world. Was there

12:09

anyone? This might be a crazy question,

12:11

but is there a couple comedians who

12:13

you looked at? You're like, God, I

12:15

can't wait to introduce these people to

12:18

the world or showcase their talents because

12:20

you just think like, they're so fucking

12:22

funny. And obviously, I'm sure everyone on

12:24

your show, but were there a couple

12:26

where you're just like. that person said

12:28

that like they can tell a joke

12:31

like nobody else and like you were

12:33

excited. Fortune Fortune Feimster for sure was

12:35

one of those people. I mean there

12:37

were so many people. Kevin Hart was

12:39

that was his first. It was on

12:41

our roundtable, Joe Coy, you know, there

12:44

were so many people and we had

12:46

a panoply of like just. misfits. And

12:48

that's like my whole thing. My whole

12:50

life has been like the underdog, even

12:52

though I don't appear to be an

12:54

underdog, I always felt like an underdog.

12:57

I always felt like I didn't fit

12:59

in. And so to be able to

13:01

like bring all the people who don't

13:03

fit in together was really like joyful

13:05

and also effortless. Like I didn't have

13:07

to think about being inclusive. I was

13:10

inclusive by nature. There were lots of

13:12

women around. We learned even in a

13:14

time where we had to address that

13:16

because it was such a natural organic

13:18

way to be because that's what comics

13:20

are. Right. Yeah, it was so fun

13:23

to tune in every day and you

13:25

would also get to see, I mean

13:27

I'm a gay man myself so it

13:29

was nice to be able to see

13:31

like a gay comedian on TV because

13:34

you weren't seeing them anywhere else. I

13:36

always sort of wished that they, I

13:38

don't know if this was even possible

13:40

legally, but sort of took that, just

13:42

did that format, just did that format,

13:44

that format, just did that format, format,

13:47

format, format, talking about pop culture because

13:49

it was so funny to tune every

13:51

day. I think they have tried to

13:53

do it a few times. I mean

13:55

it's not like it's the most original

13:57

idea. Bill Mardah, he has three people

14:00

on. I mean it's not... like what

14:02

Chelsea lately was, but there are other

14:04

shows, you know, Taylor Tomlinson does it

14:06

on her show after midnight with three

14:08

comics on, you know, I mean, they've

14:10

redone it a bunch and it's not,

14:13

I don't think it's the most original

14:15

idea. I think we probably, you know,

14:17

it's looked at as our idea, but

14:19

it's really just a chemistry thing, getting

14:21

chemistry right, getting people, you know, being

14:23

able to... share the spotlight for a

14:26

comedian. A comedian is used to being

14:28

on stage with a microphone all by

14:30

themselves for a reason so that no

14:32

one else is talking. So to get

14:34

four comedians that can sit and share

14:36

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14:39

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14:41

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a good talk show guest? Like what

17:21

makes someone a good easy interview? Well,

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you know, anyone who talks freely and

17:25

isn't so guarded or self-conscious, you know,

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17:56

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17:58

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you know, I've never taken myself so

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18:17

humor about themselves first and foremost. Right.

18:19

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18:21

can people expect when they come see

18:23

you in Vegas? Oh, party time. I

18:25

do. My Vegas agency is once a

18:27

month for two years. So I go,

18:29

which is my favorite schedule. So it's

18:31

like my next show is March 18th,

18:33

I think, and then I have one

18:35

on April 21st. So it's perfect. I

18:37

basically turn it into a weekend for

18:39

all my friends. We come out, they

18:41

come out, we hook them up with

18:43

hotel rooms, we gamble. I've never lost

18:45

a single dollar at the Cosmopolitan Casino.

18:48

What do you try? What do you

18:50

gamble? What do you like? Blackjack. Always

18:52

Blackjack. I've always, I love gambling. I

18:54

love gambling. And I love gambling. And

18:56

I love to pay for all the

18:58

people who are with me gambling too,

19:00

because I want people to hang out

19:02

and not be worried about losing money,

19:04

because I know if I'm at the

19:06

hotel rooms. I always feel like with

19:08

black check at least you feel like

19:10

you're using your brain a little bit.

19:12

Like even if it's kind of crazy

19:14

at least I'm like activating my brain

19:17

whereas like a slot. Like you're putting

19:19

a slot like what does that have

19:21

to do with anything? Or my brother

19:23

does craft slot and like I have

19:25

to do with anything. Or my brother

19:27

does craft slot and like I'm like

19:29

what do we what is craft slot?

19:31

And like what do we what is

19:33

this craft slot? I'm like, I have

19:35

to do you about a few days

19:37

before. Valentine State was this means more

19:39

war with Tom Hardy and Chris Pine

19:41

and I remember seeing it and just

19:43

thinking I had always wanted that that

19:46

like Bonnie Hunt Judy Greer role where

19:48

it's like you get to come in

19:50

and be funny and then you get

19:52

to go and you were that and

19:54

this means war and to me that

19:56

was a like the dream like let

19:58

me come in be funny and then

20:00

get out of there but anyway was

20:02

there any kind of memories from that

20:04

and also who would you choose if

20:06

you had to choose between Chris Pine

20:08

and Tom Hardy because they're they're both

20:10

so hot or they were at least

20:12

to me they were they were Tom

20:15

Hardy was he a dick I mean

20:17

he has a history of being a

20:19

dick and it was never a dick

20:21

to me now I found him quite

20:23

entertaining. And Chris Pine, who would I

20:25

choose between? I mean, they're both kind

20:27

of hot in different ways. But I

20:29

did that movie because Reese, Reese was

20:31

like, will you do this movie with

20:33

me? And I was like, of course.

20:35

And you know, applying the best friend

20:37

of her and her romantic love interests.

20:39

So we had a really fun time

20:41

playing doing that movie. We filmed in

20:44

Vancouver, but I didn't really film anything

20:46

with Chris or Tom. It was mostly

20:48

with Reese. Yeah, and I saw in

20:50

an interview recently did that you want

20:52

to kind of dive a little more

20:54

into acting. Is there anything on the

20:56

horizon when it comes to acting? Yes,

20:58

there is actually, but I can't mention

21:00

what it is, but I decided I'm

21:02

going to be 50 this year, so

21:04

I might as well like reset, like

21:06

I want to reset and do some

21:08

things I haven't really focused on, like

21:10

I know all the things I'm good

21:13

at doing, but I've never really focused

21:15

on acting, I'm just so much better

21:17

at being my own boss, you know,

21:19

being on a set where I'm in

21:21

charge, not having a director or someone

21:23

tell me what to do or a

21:25

studio giving me notes, like that's really

21:27

not my jam. My podcast, Dear Chelsea,

21:29

I get to do whatever I want,

21:31

my stand-up, I get to do whatever

21:33

I want. I also have a new

21:35

stand-up special that's coming out March 25th,

21:37

for Netflix, which is called The Feeling.

21:39

And then... jump around in all these

21:42

different areas that I love that and

21:44

it's yeah have you always been like

21:46

that as a little kid where you

21:48

kind of jump around? Yeah yeah I

21:50

mean I don't stay in one place

21:52

very long I'm kind of just like

21:54

I blow like I'm just always like

21:56

okay I got this I nailed that

21:58

let's move on to this like I

22:00

need scare to move into that new

22:02

when you're saying, let's move on to

22:04

this, that doesn't scare you at all?

22:06

No, I mean, I feel like anything,

22:08

I want to be challenged. I want

22:11

to be challenged. I don't want to

22:13

be comfortable. I don't want to coast.

22:15

That's not interesting to me. You know,

22:17

every book I've written has been a

22:19

challenge. and keeping the vibes high, like

22:21

what feeling do you want to leave

22:23

everybody with? When I'm doing the stand-up,

22:25

it's one thing, when I'm writing books,

22:27

it's another thing, when I'm doing my

22:29

podcast, it's another thing. But bouncing around

22:31

helps keep me interested in all of

22:33

the things, because I think if I

22:35

were just to do one thing, I'd

22:37

be pretty bored. But I think so

22:40

many times people in your position would

22:42

say, oh, I've never done a documentary

22:44

series before. Why would I even try?

22:46

And I think it's so cool that

22:48

you're like, I'm going to fucking do

22:50

that. Then I'm going to do the

22:52

stand-up special. Now I want to do

22:54

an acting thing. It's like, I don't

22:56

know. I feel like that's always a

22:58

dream. And it's so often seems like

23:00

people maybe stop themselves from moving into

23:02

a new direction. Yes, I'm sure. Like,

23:04

that absolutely is true. But also, you

23:06

have to be able to be able

23:08

to take risk if you're going to

23:11

get big rewards in life. like the

23:13

my documentary series that I did for

23:15

Netflix was hugely successful and like totally

23:17

changed the course and direction of my

23:19

career like I loved doing that and

23:21

you know it could have been a

23:23

big failure but it wasn't and and

23:25

I'm not afraid of failure like it's

23:27

okay to fail I feel like that's

23:29

how you get really good at stuff

23:31

is when you do have big disappointments

23:33

you know it's not fun when they're

23:35

happening but if you have the foresight

23:37

and like the long-term idea of things,

23:40

you can understand that you don't just

23:42

get better at stuff by always succeeding

23:44

at it. You have to have some

23:46

mishaps. I just saw an interview with

23:48

Lady Gaga this morning and she was

23:50

talking about Joker too. And I thought

23:52

it was such a fresh perspective. She's

23:54

like, yeah, a lot of people didn't

23:56

like it, but you know, you can't

23:58

get bogged down on that. You know,

24:00

if you're making art, there's gonna be

24:02

times where it's hit or miss. And

24:04

I don't know, it kind of hit

24:06

me. I love that view of disappointment

24:09

because yeah, we're gonna fail. ashamed and

24:11

so like I heard what she said

24:13

and I thought yeah that's good that's

24:15

cool that she said that because like

24:17

they get so they're getting so much

24:19

shit about that movie I haven't seen

24:21

it but You do have to kind

24:23

of accept when something, okay great, you

24:25

didn't like it, I understand, instead of

24:27

being in denial, you know, so many

24:29

times our egos play such a bigger

24:31

role, and we allow our egos to

24:33

like deny us of the truth of

24:35

what's happening, and that's just prolonging pain.

24:38

Like any time you're in denial of

24:40

something that working out, you're prolonging the

24:42

reality of the pain of the situation.

24:44

I'd rather just embrace the pain, welcome

24:46

it, welcome it, have it be over,

24:48

have it be over, and move on

24:50

to the next thing, and move on

24:52

to the next thing. Do you worry,

24:54

industry, focusing on the industry, do you

24:56

worry that some of the gatekeepers and

24:58

stuff are getting more and more fearful

25:00

of thinking outside the box? That worries

25:02

me when it comes to movies or

25:04

TV or anything within the arts. I

25:07

just feel like it... It's contracting so

25:09

much and so many executives feel like

25:11

it feels like they're afraid to take

25:13

any rest and that worries me a

25:15

little bit. Yeah, yeah, I mean I

25:17

hear that a lot too. I'm not

25:19

really in that, you know, scene as

25:21

much because I am a creator not

25:23

the making the decisions about what's going

25:25

to be on and what's going to

25:27

be, you know, what's what they're going

25:29

to put on TV. It's so funny.

25:31

It's like we have so much more

25:33

TV than we've ever had and the

25:36

quality. And the quality is just. like

25:38

lower than it's ever been you know

25:40

not maybe ever been but we're just

25:42

like in a funk where everything is

25:44

just like mid you're like okay that's

25:46

good but you forget about it after

25:48

you see it you're like I forgot

25:50

what that series even was about But

25:52

yeah, I hear what you're saying. I

25:54

think, you know, in times like when

25:56

there's a lot of change in an

25:58

industry or there's change in the economy

26:00

or whatever you want to point to,

26:02

there always are the outliers and there

26:05

are people who can succeed within those

26:07

dynamics and within those parameters. It's like

26:09

Victor Frankel, you know, being in the

26:11

Holocaust and the fact that he was

26:13

like, the one thing they couldn't take

26:15

away from me was my attitude and

26:17

my mind. Like, they couldn't take away

26:19

that. They could take away my clothes,

26:21

they could shave my head, they could

26:23

make me walk around naked, they could

26:25

starve me, but they weren't going to

26:27

take away my mind. And it's like,

26:29

when you're dealing with an industry that's

26:31

changing so much and shifting so much

26:34

not to compare Hollywood to the Holocaust,

26:36

Holocaust, Holocaust, Holocaust, by the fact. not

26:38

to you know compare the two because

26:40

it's not a comparison but you can

26:42

excel within constraints you know when industries

26:44

are constrained or going through contractions as

26:46

you said there are people that still

26:48

excel under those constraints and so I

26:50

always just try to be someone to

26:52

not really pay attention to all the

26:54

noise that's going around and focus on

26:56

what are you like what are you

26:58

working on what are you putting out

27:00

there focus on that and you know

27:03

it'll find its way I know you're

27:05

a huge reader throughout your book. You

27:07

talk about that, of course, and interviews

27:09

and everything. Is there anything you're reading

27:11

now that you really like? What am

27:13

I reading now? Resilience. It's a book

27:15

called Resilience. So for my podcast, dear

27:17

Chelsea, like people call in and ask

27:19

for advice all the time. So I'm,

27:21

and when I came out of therapy,

27:23

I had all of this, like I

27:25

had this huge arsenal of advice and

27:27

like... I learned so much information from

27:29

this guy and he was really expensive

27:31

so I was like all right not

27:34

a lot of people can be are

27:36

going to be able to afford a

27:38

therapist like this I wanted like share

27:40

everything I've learned and then as I

27:42

started and now I'm in my fifth

27:44

season of my podcast and I'm like

27:46

oh like I realize I have to

27:48

keep reading new new self-help books like

27:50

I have to have new information to

27:52

share with my callers because I can't

27:54

just keep doling out the same old

27:56

bullshit, you know, it's like, okay, write

27:58

a gratitude journal, self-affirmation, start meditating, eventually

28:00

you're like, okay, I've got to come

28:03

up with some more stuff. So right

28:05

now I'm reading Resilient, I'm rereading this

28:07

book letting go that I read a

28:09

couple times a year by David Hawkins,

28:11

which is pretty powerful. And then this

28:13

book, resilient, I mean all these self-help

28:15

books are pretty much saying the same

28:17

thing, but they can get you. You

28:19

know, it's what resonates with you and

28:21

what does it? You know, certain sentences

28:23

and metaphors hit you and certain metaphors

28:25

don't. So it's really about just kind

28:27

of connecting to new ways of saying

28:29

the same thing. Right. Well, Chelsea, I

28:32

know I have to let you go.

28:34

The last thing I ask all of

28:36

my guests at these next two questions.

28:38

If you were choosing for People Magazine

28:40

Sexiest Man Alive, who would you choose?

28:42

And then also your favorite Mariah Carrey.

28:44

Pedro Pascale I think is the sexiest

28:46

man alive and has Mariah Carey written

28:48

a song about Pedro Pascale yet because

28:50

that would be my favorite song. Let's

28:52

say Touch My Body could be about

28:54

that we don't know. I mean I

28:56

don't know I can't name one song

28:58

that Mariah Carey sings just because I'm

29:01

not good with song names but I

29:03

mean Who doesn't love Mariah Carey? I

29:05

mean, she is one hot mess. Yes,

29:07

yes. Tells, you, what a dream come

29:09

true. I mean, really, if this was

29:11

a dream come true, because I have

29:13

followed your work forever, I hope everyone

29:15

enjoys all have a cheese having. You're

29:17

a Win Harry Met Sally fan, I

29:19

would assume, right? Oh, yes, yes, yes,

29:21

yes, I am. Would you say that's

29:23

your favorite ROMcom? Do you have a

29:25

favorite ROMcom? No, but it's not fair.

29:27

It's in the top 10. Okay, you've

29:30

got mail is mine, but I love,

29:32

I worship the ground Meg Ryan walks

29:34

on, so I especially also love the

29:36

title. Chelsea, thank you so much for

29:38

taking the time and everyone pick up

29:40

your book, go see you in Vegas.

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Check out your podcast, you're Chelsea, and

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thank you so much Chelsea for taking

29:46

the time. Thank you so much. This

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