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Welcome back to X's and O's. I'm

2:41

your host Shannon Beverage and today we

2:43

have another throwback episode with G Flip

2:45

who has new music coming out soon.

2:47

So keep an eye out. If you

2:49

haven't been watching their socials, they've been

2:51

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2:53

to tease it. And it's so good

2:56

and... If you didn't watch this episode

2:58

when it came out, please watch it.

3:00

It is so funny. It's also so

3:02

weird to see my hair short and

3:04

like my old set. It's very nostalgic.

3:06

So what do I have to say

3:09

about my life? Just

3:11

same old, same old, except for

3:13

not really. So much is changing and

3:15

I just can't talk to you

3:17

about it yet. But so soon I

3:19

will be telling you the stuff

3:21

that is happening, which I'm very excited

3:23

about. I'm very, very excited for

3:25

change. What did I do this week?

3:27

I got sick after Coachella, as you know, so

3:29

then half the week I was just recovering. And

3:32

then I was with Vanessa and then Vanessa

3:34

got sick. So we were just falling apart

3:36

at the scenes. But we

3:38

also filmed some things. We

3:40

shot some stuff. I

3:42

had to do a photo shoot when I

3:44

was sickly. So that was good. I also

3:46

did, I think this week. you would have

3:49

seen. I did the thing with flaunt magazine

3:51

that also came out. I just want you to

3:53

know I was also sick that day. I

3:55

was throwing up in between every picture

3:57

that I was taking because I don't know.

3:59

At first I thought it was like

4:01

a food poisoning thing. Still to

4:03

this day I'm not really sure

4:05

what was going on with me but

4:07

I was so ill and just

4:09

the pictures and like they turned out

4:11

so good I can't believe the

4:13

between the makeup artist and the photographer

4:15

and the hair person whatever and

4:18

a stylist everyone crushed but I was

4:20

so ill so yeah if you

4:22

want you can go back and look

4:24

at that now and see if

4:26

you can tell um what else I

4:28

think I'm having I keep trying

4:30

to talk about how I'm having a

4:32

hard time with don't

4:34

know. I'm having a

4:36

hard time with sharing how

4:39

I'm feeling right now

4:41

about life. I

4:47

just am like so torn on

4:49

talking about some things that have

4:51

been bothering me and like going

4:53

back and forth on what to

4:56

say and what not to say

4:58

and if I should say anything

5:00

and I think like I wasn't

5:02

expecting to say this right now

5:04

but I think that my approach

5:06

with the internet for so long

5:08

has always been like don't just

5:11

don't say anything and let things

5:13

blow over and I know in

5:15

some ways that that has like

5:17

benefited me by not talking about

5:19

things and like trying to yeah

5:21

just put my head down and

5:23

let them go away but I

5:25

also it's also bothering me so

5:28

much like Years

5:30

of kind of like not

5:32

saying things that I want to

5:34

clear up or like talk

5:36

about I don't know I feel

5:38

I've been having a hard

5:40

time I've been having a hard

5:42

time and I think that

5:44

It's weird because if you're watching

5:47

from like I've been talking

5:49

to my friend I talk about

5:51

what I'm feeling you know

5:53

in real life all the time,

5:55

but I had a

5:57

conversation with Vanessa and she was like I

5:59

think it's just hard because right now

6:01

if you're just looking at your social media

6:03

from like another person's perspective it seems

6:05

like you're fine. Like

6:07

from yeah like if you guys

6:09

are watching it seems like I'm

6:12

fine or like I'm unbothered or

6:14

whatever and that's not true. But

6:18

like there's this part of me that like

6:20

that's also like a self -protection of like

6:22

oh well if they don't know. then I

6:24

feel safer, but then I'm also feeling so, ugh,

6:29

like, muted

6:32

or like I can't talk, like I can't

6:34

stick up for myself or I can't talk

6:36

about like my own stuff and my own

6:38

feelings. I don't know, this isn't

6:41

gonna make any sense. I'm just

6:43

in a rock and a hard

6:45

place right now, I think, and struggling

6:47

to know I'm

6:49

always struggling. I think that's

6:51

a thing with social media, like

6:53

I'm always struggling to know

6:56

what to say and what not

6:58

to say. And

7:00

I look back years ago and I'm like,

7:02

did I make the right decision on what

7:04

I said and what I didn't say then?

7:06

And I feel like I'm gonna have the

7:08

same feeling about right now. But

7:11

I'm trying to find, I don't

7:13

know, I'm trying to find a way

7:15

to... communicate more authentically because I

7:17

just think right now I'm feeling very

7:19

disconnected and like not authentic like

7:21

I'm not being myself because I'm not

7:23

sharing how I'm actually feeling or

7:25

like but yeah I don't know I

7:27

don't know if this is gonna

7:29

make any sense like I'm not being

7:31

forthcoming about where I'm at but

7:34

at the same time I'm like doing

7:36

that to protect myself because I'm

7:38

like I don't want to be vulnerable

7:40

I feel like sometimes I'm like

7:42

oh my god I've been vulnerable online

7:44

for so long, like I've been

7:46

sharing for so long that a part

7:48

of me now, I'm like, ugh,

7:50

when things happen and I feel misunderstood,

7:53

a part of me wants to just

7:55

like disappear and not say anything at

7:57

all. But then it's really hard to

7:59

do that when I have a weekly

8:01

podcast where I'm having to sit down

8:03

and like talk. So

8:05

I'm just like really struggling, I think. I

8:10

don't know if this... makes any

8:12

sense it's just that's how i've

8:15

been feeling like i feel very

8:17

disconnected and like i don't really

8:19

want to be on camera and

8:21

like i'm struggling and like today

8:23

i'm filming my podcast with a

8:25

guest so i'm like oh i

8:27

have to and i just feel

8:29

this like disconnected myself of like

8:31

i don't know i feel very

8:33

stressed out i don't know if

8:35

this is gonna go into the

8:37

podcast but maybe it helps just

8:39

to say anything at all whatever

8:41

anyway i think in time we'll

8:44

see if things if i become

8:46

i don't know what i'm saying

8:48

i don't know what i'm saying

8:50

i have to find a way

8:52

to communicate in a way where

8:54

i don't feel this disconnected from

8:56

myself and from you all because

8:58

it's not sustainable is kind of

9:00

how i'm feeling so i'm trying

9:02

to figure that out and hopefully

9:04

i do I'm gonna, I'm trying

9:06

to, I've actively been trying to figure that

9:08

out. So anyway, I'm gonna go film my

9:10

podcast with a guest and I can't wait,

9:12

I can't wait for you guys to see

9:15

the episodes that I've been filming. Do

9:18

you see this? This is like,

9:20

not normal. Like my brain is just

9:22

going back and forth from like, like

9:25

be an influencer

9:27

and then like

9:29

talk, create

9:31

content. Then I'm like, I can't

9:33

talk about things I want to talk about, so then I

9:36

don't want to talk at all. Oh my

9:38

god, it's very complicated. I

9:40

might have to re -film this. Anyway, I hope

9:42

you enjoyed this throwback episode with G Flip. I

9:45

love you all. I really do. And

9:47

I am trying to find a way to talk

9:49

to the people who I know love me back.

9:51

I'm like, we'll figure it out. We

9:54

will figure this out. Enjoy. Oh

10:02

yeah, about this. So I was late

10:04

and when I was in the car, I

10:07

was like, you know, how can I

10:09

make it up to Shannon? I'll

10:11

quickly make Shannon an AI song. And

10:14

it's amazing. It's

10:16

actually amazing. And it turns

10:18

out you've got all the secrets and you've

10:20

got the key. I've got the secrets and the

10:22

key. So we should listen. We should listen

10:24

to the song. Baby,

10:31

here we go,

10:33

talking about relationships High

10:35

as the low,

10:37

and it's got a

10:39

podcast of joy

10:42

and laughter Education and

10:44

fun is what

10:46

we're after Jumping on

10:48

the mic, sharing

10:50

stories of all Texas

10:52

and O's, we're

10:54

breaking down the law

10:56

from heartbreak The

10:58

happiness for diving deep

11:25

Oh my god, still 45 seconds left. Okay, we

11:27

are gonna bear it all today and I

11:29

will put more of the song at the end

11:31

of this. Is there

11:33

like copyright issues with

11:35

AI songs? Let's

11:39

find out. Yeah. Okay. Hi guys. My name

11:41

is Shannon beverage. Welcome back to X's and

11:43

O's a podcast where you talk about queer

11:45

relationships and sex. And today we have G

11:47

flip, which I feel like you don't even

11:49

need an introduction. You are like a queer

11:51

icon. I'm so glad you're here today. That's

11:53

a bit nice. It's the truth. There's definitely

11:55

someone out there who's like, who the fuck

11:57

is that? Okay, well, G, you may know

11:59

G -Flip. They're a musician. They play

12:01

drums and sing, which is so unique. I

12:03

feel like there's not many artists who are

12:05

doing that. Yeah, I like to

12:07

play drums and I like to sing at

12:10

the same time. How do you breathe? How

12:13

do I breathe? You

12:16

know what? When I'm drumming, my

12:18

body's on autopilot and all I'm

12:20

thinking about is what the fuck

12:22

the lyrics are. Really? I'm not

12:24

a trained singer, so I'm always

12:26

thinking about... singing part and my

12:28

body's just on it's like muscle

12:30

memory almost probably the drumming part

12:32

yeah but how like are you

12:34

just so fit I mean you

12:36

are fit obviously but um I

12:38

feel like on tour I get

12:40

pretty fit yeah yeah like those

12:42

are good arms oh thanks Shannon

12:44

you're welcome um two seconds and

12:46

I'm like I promise I'm not

12:48

hitting on you, sorry Grita. No,

12:51

but I wish I could do

12:54

anything like active like that. That's like

12:56

also fun. Yeah, drums is definitely

12:58

fun. I think from a young age,

13:00

I was like so drawn to

13:02

the drums because like fit the physicality

13:04

of it and like huge sounds

13:06

and I was a pretty chaotic child.

13:08

So I was like, I want

13:11

to do that. Yeah. Do you have

13:13

like ADHD or anything like that?

13:15

I have ADHD. I'm diagnosed. And

13:18

yeah, I'm a bit of

13:20

a hectic person, I'd say. But

13:22

I keep busy doing lots

13:24

of things and I have lots

13:26

of ideas. That's good.

13:29

Yeah. I feel like ADHD could be

13:31

like a superpower for people. Oh,

13:33

I 100 % think it's my superpower.

13:35

And it's why I'm... in the position

13:37

I am doing what I love

13:39

to do. Totally. I have it too.

13:41

Do you? Yeah, I'm diagnosed with

13:43

it too. I know, look at us.

13:46

And I also was like one of those

13:48

girls who got diagnosed really late in

13:50

life. Like I was like almost done with

13:52

college by the time they told me,

13:54

but the psychiatrist who like diagnosed me, he

13:56

was like, you have the ability to

13:58

hyper focus. he was like,

14:01

it's almost like you have like, you're like

14:03

Mario with a star and you can

14:05

like Really get into something so he's like

14:07

you've been able to do well in

14:09

school and everything because you just can do

14:11

that for like a second or like

14:13

Whatever it takes and then but then most

14:15

of the time my brain is literally

14:18

like Like what the fuck is going on?

14:20

I'm the exact same the hyper focus

14:22

thing. It's crazy when you hit that It's

14:24

like that that movie limitless. Do you

14:26

remember that? Yeah, it was Bradley Cooper. Yeah

14:28

taking those pills That's how I feel

14:30

when I get into that but the worst

14:32

is when you can't tap into it

14:34

Like when you need to focus and your

14:37

brain, you can't get your brain to

14:39

do it. Yeah. Do you know what I'm

14:41

talking about? Kind of, I think so.

14:43

I feel like all the things that I

14:45

want to hyper focus on, I've already

14:47

hyper focused and I've already learned so far

14:49

so much. But I like have little

14:51

things that I've been, I get obsessed with

14:53

like every month. Really? So it changes.

14:56

Like little like micro hobbies and like. Yeah.

14:58

What's it right now? I think the

15:00

funniest one is when I was a kid,

15:02

I was obsessed with appliances and toasters

15:04

and kettles. And I knew

15:06

every brand and their price range. And

15:09

I used to get my dad to take me to

15:11

the good guys, which is like, is

15:13

it best buy here? Yeah, I'm sure. And

15:15

so I could just go look at all those

15:17

appliances. You should have

15:19

been on the prices right. Do you know

15:21

that show? Yeah, I watched that show. Yeah,

15:23

you would have been amazing. Yeah, I know

15:25

a toaster, a Breville toaster, what price that

15:27

cost. I was still into that

15:29

really. No, no, no, that was just

15:31

my, like I always have these niche obsessions

15:33

and that's I think the funniest one

15:35

because do you, you know, like junk mail,

15:37

we call it junk, yeah, junk like

15:39

the mail that comes in. I couldn't wait

15:41

till the postman came in. So you

15:43

could read it. could dive in and stuff.

15:46

See how much the toasters

15:48

were going for that week.

15:50

What's on sale? Did you

15:52

ever buy anything? No, I was

15:54

like fucking nine years old, but I just loved

15:56

it. I just, and I love the shapes. You're

15:59

kidding. The colors and

16:01

like the functions. And

16:03

then when some got like buttons and

16:05

temperature gauges. Oh God, there's so

16:07

much. I'm obsessed. Also. It makes sense

16:09

to that you would be so

16:11

good at so many things if you're

16:14

able to like hyper focus on

16:16

something that intensely yeah and now you're

16:18

like so multifaceted I feel like

16:20

what you said you've been on nine

16:22

planes in 13 days. Yeah

16:24

nine nine flights in 13 days

16:26

and I'm not on tour

16:28

which is. I

16:30

kind of just feel like I'm always

16:32

on tour, to be honest, because tour you're

16:35

changing scenery every day, and then I

16:37

feel like even when I'm not on tour,

16:39

I'm kind of changing scenery every day.

16:41

But part of it's like, because

16:43

I am a little bit hectic, I

16:45

don't like being in the same spot

16:47

for too long, because then I've looked

16:49

at every corner of the house, and

16:52

I know what's going on. Yeah, no,

16:54

I feel that too. I love change.

16:56

I love... Change is fun. Like, routine?

16:58

I feel like I wish I had one,

17:01

but then anytime I'm around for like two

17:03

weeks, I realize I don't, I still

17:05

don't even have a routine. Like nothing gets

17:07

set. I've just become more and more random in

17:09

my own space. I'm like, I should just

17:11

leave and then I'll just get on a flight

17:13

and go to New York and do something

17:15

else for a second. But I guess that's ADHD

17:17

too. Yeah, it's a little,

17:19

a little cute thing called ADHD. Starting

17:22

strong with mental health. We've got

17:24

the secrets. We've got the key. Wait,

17:26

you do? Yeah. Sorry, I've got the

17:29

key. You've got the key. That

17:31

must be tough for your relationship,

17:33

though, right? To be long distance. I

17:35

mean, are you like, if you're bouncing

17:37

around all the time, how's that? Yeah.

17:39

So me and Coachella have a

17:41

two week rule. So we never go

17:43

longer than two weeks apart. But

17:46

I think other than that, we're

17:48

so good. We do like. Two FaceTimes

17:50

a day text throughout the day

17:52

what we're doing nice, so it ends

17:54

up kind of Working for us

17:56

and you know when she's got like

17:58

her filming schedules on she's like

18:00

in the thick of filming so it's

18:03

like Waking up doing hair and

18:05

makeup for an hour and a bit

18:07

and then going shooting and filming

18:09

and stuff so her schedule gets pretty

18:11

hectic as well so then I

18:13

can only imagine. Did you ever think

18:15

you'd be on a reality TV

18:17

show? Absolutely not. No. Do

18:20

you get your hair and makeup done when you get to

18:22

be on the show? No. I

18:24

just rock up and now I've looked

18:26

back on some of those scenes and

18:28

I'm like, I really should have thought

18:30

about. Yeah, I

18:32

should have just thought about what I

18:34

was wearing or like done some makeup.

18:36

I think on the last The

18:39

recent scene I've done, which

18:41

isn't out yet, I got my

18:43

makeups done. That's nice. Do

18:45

you like doing your makeup? No,

18:47

I put mascara on. I

18:50

like the feeling in mascara. It's a

18:52

fun little brush of the eyelashes. It's

18:54

quite a nice feeling for me. But

18:57

no, I kind of like just rock up

18:59

as is. Like I literally just got out

19:01

of bed and was like, oh, what should

19:03

I wear? Oh, my clothes are all dirty

19:05

in my suitcase. Oh, there's some overalls. Oh,

19:07

let's go. OK, but you look so cool.

19:10

Oh, well, I just whacked my dirty

19:12

hair up in a bun It

19:15

looks great. Thanks. It survived. You look

19:17

pretty cool too. Well, I

19:19

had more time and I live here and I

19:21

have all my stuff here. But,

19:23

uh, okay. Can we, can we

19:26

talk about how do you

19:28

feel about JoJo Siwa wanting to

19:30

dress like you? Um,

19:33

I think, you know, it's

19:35

flattering. Yeah. And I also think

19:37

like part of like finding

19:39

yourself in your like sexuality and

19:41

your gender identity, like when

19:43

you're growing up comes with like.

19:45

Playing with your clothes and

19:47

what you're gonna wear so I

19:49

can't imagine being you know

19:52

a teenager and You know for

19:54

your work being have like

19:56

made to wear a bow and

19:58

a dress and all that

20:00

and not being able to like

20:02

Express yourself through your clothing.

20:04

I totally agree. So I'm like

20:06

hell's yeah, JoJo Where whatever

20:08

the hell you want. No totally

20:10

and also like a big

20:12

part of like my project just

20:14

in general is um When

20:17

I was younger, I didn't have anyone

20:19

to look up to the dress like

20:21

me or Played drums that had like

20:23

long hair or was a female or

20:25

non -binary So a big part of

20:27

my project is being like the representation

20:29

I never had so um You know,

20:31

I think that just plays into it

20:34

JoJo wants to dress like me and

20:36

wax some tattoos like Go JoJo, do

20:38

your thing, you know? Yeah, totally. I

20:40

totally agree. I mean, heat up so

20:42

much on that. Everyone's been

20:44

asking me. It would be

20:46

awesome, too, like the name drop of

20:48

you in that podcast, because you

20:51

said it on Caller Daddy, right? Yeah. Yeah. But

20:53

also, sick. I feel the same way,

20:55

like the representation thing, obviously. My

20:57

project, even though it's not as cool

20:59

as yours, but I feel like I've been

21:02

doing the same thing. And the last

21:04

guest I had on the podcast, also said

21:06

she used to try to dress like

21:08

me when she was like 16. Really? Yeah,

21:10

so I've had a similar experience and

21:12

but the funny thing is I wish she

21:14

didn't because I look back on what

21:16

I was wearing back then and I'm like

21:18

did I like what I was wearing?

21:20

You've always dressed cool Shannon. Oh my god

21:22

that's kind but I don't know. I

21:24

feel like I had that classic I have

21:26

to look gay and I didn't know

21:29

what gay looked like so I was like

21:31

a beanie, you know? That'll

21:33

work right? A beanie. I didn't know what

21:35

I was doing, but that we didn't really

21:37

have, because you're 30. Yeah. And

21:39

I'm 32. I feel like we didn't have

21:41

that much to look up to in

21:43

general. Yeah. No. With queer representation. I

21:46

agree. There wasn't much. And now there's

21:48

like a shit ton. Hell's yeah.

21:50

Which is amazing. There's like a million

21:52

of us walking around. I know. All

21:54

the gays are out to play and

21:56

it's great. I love the way that

21:58

you say non -binary. Non -binary.

22:00

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22:03

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22:05

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22:07

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22:09

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22:11

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22:13

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22:15

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22:19

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22:21

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22:24

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24:51

you come out as non -binary or

24:53

like when did you ask people to

24:55

change your pronouns um what year

24:57

is it got like four five year

24:59

it's 2024 2024 Like

25:03

four years ago cool.

25:05

Yeah four years ago. Was

25:07

it something you thought

25:09

about a lot before you

25:12

like implemented um, I

25:14

think it's More conversations were

25:16

being had on what

25:18

non -binary is Yeah, and

25:20

then I educated myself and

25:22

I remember going online

25:24

and finding what was it

25:26

called the Not the

25:28

non -binary dinosaur it was

25:31

called the like gender We'll

25:35

have to find what it is.

25:38

Look it up the gender Unicorn or

25:40

something is it like a YouTube

25:42

thing? No, it's like just

25:44

like this little like picture

25:46

of like a gender unicorn and

25:48

then it had these like

25:50

gauges of like, you know male

25:52

female like sexuality all this

25:54

stuff and I remember like reading

25:56

about you know gender identity

25:58

and being non -binary and just

26:00

educating myself on it. It's called

26:03

the gender unicorn. That's it.

26:05

The gender unicorn. And

26:07

then educating myself and then looking

26:09

back at my whole life. And

26:11

it just resonated with me so

26:13

much. Like I remember growing up

26:15

and just staring at myself in

26:17

the mirror and being like, you're

26:19

like a boy, but you're a

26:21

girl, but you're kind of in

26:23

between. And I just

26:25

feel like I'm in between. both

26:27

of these genders. And

26:30

I always thought that from a young kid. And

26:32

I used to think, so I grew

26:34

up in like a Catholic school and a

26:36

Catholic girl school. And I remember looking

26:38

in the mirror and think, I reckon when

26:40

God made me, there was not enough

26:43

girl. So he put a little bit of

26:45

boy in there. And I'm half boy

26:47

and half girl. And as a six, seven,

26:49

eight year old, nine year old, 10

26:51

year old, that's what I thought. That's

26:53

so interesting. Yeah. I feel

26:55

like. I definitely resonate with

26:57

some of that as well. But

26:59

I don't know. I feel like I don't

27:01

know how far into it. You know what

27:03

I mean? Like I definitely had those same

27:05

kind of like look in the mirror vibes

27:07

where I'm like, why am I different than

27:10

my friends? And why do dresses look weird

27:12

on me? Like something is

27:14

off here. But I wanted it

27:16

to be right. But I was like, but

27:18

also I just want to wear shorts and

27:20

like basketball shorts and like a t -shirt all

27:22

the time. 100%. And then I'll feel more

27:24

comfortable. Did

27:26

you ever wear like a uniform in

27:28

your Catholic school? Yeah, I had to

27:30

wear a tunic. It was called or

27:32

a dress. But

27:35

drums came in handy for me

27:37

because I was such a drummer

27:39

at high school always playing drums.

27:42

And I'd purposely play drums at

27:44

like assemblies all the time so

27:47

that every every teacher in the

27:49

school would remember me as the

27:51

drum kid. So when they would

27:53

ask me like uh flippo

27:55

why aren't you wearing your uniform i'd say

27:57

well i've got my drum lesson today

27:59

and you don't want me playing drums with

28:01

a dress with my legs spread open

28:03

do you and then they'd be like oh

28:05

no no no that's fine you can

28:07

wear your sports uniform so that's a genius

28:10

i just made made myself known as

28:12

such the drum kid that when any day

28:14

any teacher would ask me why aren't

28:16

you wearing the uniform i'd say i've got

28:18

drums on even though I did not

28:20

have drums out there. That's so

28:22

smart though. Yeah drums help me out in

28:24

so many. It's still helping you out. Yeah

28:26

help me out in so many ways. Did

28:28

your parents get you into drumming or did

28:30

you ask like specifically? My cousin

28:32

had a drum kit and I was

28:35

kind of a little bit intrigued and obsessed

28:37

with it and he'd like play at

28:39

family gatherings and then my auntie and uncle

28:41

bought me my first drum kit at

28:43

nine years old and it was the best

28:45

day of my life. I'll

28:48

cry. As a kid I, it

28:50

was, and they unveiled it to

28:52

me. It was in the lounge room with

28:54

the doors closed and no one was going

28:56

in the lounge room that day. And then

28:58

they unveiled it to me and I was

29:00

so emotional. It felt like the start of

29:02

my life. It was, it

29:06

was crazy. It

29:08

was the key to

29:10

your whole life. That's

29:13

amazing. It really did change

29:15

the whole trajectory of your

29:17

life. Yeah, it pivoted the

29:19

whole my whole being and

29:21

then that became my obsession

29:24

and my hyper focus for

29:26

like the the soul, although

29:28

I had many other hyper

29:30

-focuses. Side hyper -focuses. Yeah, so,

29:32

you know, the kettles. Let's

29:35

not forget. But

29:38

yeah, that became my main obsession.

29:40

And then, like, my whole life

29:42

then revolved around drums. And I just

29:44

had an amazing drum teacher. Then I

29:46

went to uni and studied music. And

29:48

I majored in drums. I worked at

29:50

a drum shop. I became a drum

29:52

teacher. I played drums in

29:54

wedding bands. was

29:56

so obsessed with drums and you

29:58

know before I went solo I

30:00

thought I was just gonna be

30:02

a session drummer and I started

30:04

doing that and then I realized

30:06

I want to be my own

30:09

boss I don't want to have

30:11

to work for the man my

30:13

whole life and I was already

30:15

writing songs in my bedroom little

30:17

queer songs on guitar and piano

30:19

as like a 14 year old

30:21

and my songwriting chops just got

30:23

better behind closed doors until the

30:25

point where I was like I'm

30:27

ready to go solo now and

30:29

do my own singing drama project.

30:31

How did you learn to sing?

30:33

Where you sing like have you?

30:35

I've never had a lesson. Really?

30:37

I've never had a singing lesson which

30:39

is not a good thing I don't

30:41

say that like hell zero I haven't

30:43

had a singing lesson like I'm probably

30:45

doing damage and it's really bad and

30:47

I need to find time to get

30:49

lessons to make sure that I'm doing

30:52

this properly because it's my My job.

30:54

Yeah, because you lost your voice. That's

30:56

why you didn't come on Is that

30:58

because you got sick or is it

31:00

because of the singing? I just got

31:02

sick. Okay, so that wasn't from Singing

31:04

but I just got sick, but no,

31:06

I've never had singing lessons but I

31:09

have just sung my whole life. I

31:12

remember from like a really young age,

31:14

like as a little baby, like

31:16

I just sing to myself all the

31:18

time, make up my own songs all

31:20

the time. That's so cute. Okay, so

31:22

back to the non -binary thing too,

31:24

the gender unicorn. Gender unicorn. So you're

31:26

like looking into that and then how

31:28

long did it take after looking into

31:31

that for you to like ask or

31:33

tell people that you were feeling that

31:35

way? Not too long. I remember then Demi

31:39

Lovato and Sam Smith came out

31:41

non -binary and a lot of my

31:44

friends were like talking about it and

31:46

asking questions and I was using

31:48

myself as an example I was like

31:50

I get it because you know

31:52

I kind of feel this way and

31:54

from and then I realized well

31:56

I'm really using myself as an example

31:58

I'm so non -binary and then like

32:00

it just makes so much sense

32:02

to me yeah like I feel weird

32:04

referring to myself as She her

32:06

or female because I do feel so

32:08

in between. Yeah Does it feel

32:10

weird also he him and male? Yeah.

32:12

Yeah, I'm not a he yeah

32:14

Neither one makes sense No, I feel

32:16

so non -binary and then when people

32:18

you know I get trolls and

32:20

people sending me hectic crap in my

32:22

dams all the time But it's

32:24

like I just that's how I just

32:26

that's how I am that's how

32:28

I feel I can't change my brain

32:30

like that's just I just feel

32:32

so in between the genders

32:34

and make so much that

32:36

this gender unicorn it made you

32:38

like slide like Where where

32:40

you feel and then I was

32:42

always like oh in the

32:44

middle and then it's like oh

32:46

non -binary. Oh, oh, yeah, that's

32:48

me So crazy. I need

32:51

to look at it. Maybe yeah,

32:53

the gender look wait. I'll

32:55

show you it's really cute if

32:57

you just search gender unicorn

32:59

Yes, this little guy It's

33:01

so gender identity mm -hmm, and

33:04

then you like put on

33:06

the scale gender expression sex is

33:08

on a birth and I

33:10

was just like It's so sweet.

33:12

This is a great resource.

33:14

I'm gonna link this below so

33:17

I was just gender unicorning

33:19

away Yeah, this is all making

33:21

sense. It helped me understand

33:23

myself more and since coming out

33:25

non -binary like So

33:27

euphoric like I just like I've

33:29

always been pretty sure of myself since

33:32

a young age like pretty confident

33:34

in who I am but once Coming

33:36

out non -binary. It was like all

33:38

the 400 % Yeah, it's like all

33:40

the way I saw someone make

33:42

a tiktok recently about how like coming

33:44

out as a lesbian is one

33:46

thing and then cutting your hair short

33:49

and like being a masked lesbian

33:51

It's like taking it even further because

33:53

then you're like now I'm like look

33:56

exactly how I feel as well. And it's like,

33:58

you can't really hide it after that, you know

34:00

what I mean? If you're like, I

34:02

don't know, I resonated with that too. I was

34:04

like, fuck yeah, when I cut my hair short,

34:06

I'm like, yeah, we've gone all the way now. Like

34:08

now I'm doing - I haven't cut my, I got

34:10

long as fuck hair. Would you ever cut it

34:12

though? Um, do you know

34:14

what? I've like never cut my hair. I

34:16

got my hair cut once in year eight

34:19

and she, I said, please trim the edges.

34:21

And then she cut like this much off.

34:23

And then I said to her, I'm never -

34:25

my hair cut again and then I never

34:27

got my hair cut Never again. Okay,

34:30

also long hair and playing the drums

34:32

is kind of like a vibe and necessary.

34:35

Some like hair choreography though. Yeah,

34:38

well, that's why normally I wear

34:40

hats and bandanas and glasses so

34:42

much because I keep it from

34:44

getting in my face because if

34:46

I'm singing and playing drums, I

34:48

don't have a spare hand to

34:50

go like that. True. So normally

34:53

when I play shows, I would

34:55

kind of like to have my

34:57

hair out, but if I'm singing

34:59

and drumming, I can't move it,

35:01

so I always have to keep

35:03

it contained. That's fair. I

35:05

can't even imagine doing that, singing and playing

35:07

the drums at the same time. We should try

35:09

it. We should give it a little go.

35:11

Can I come to your studio? Come to the

35:14

studio and you can play along to your

35:16

new single. Fuck yeah. She's got the key. I

35:18

need to. Also, it is true,

35:20

I feel like four or five years

35:23

ago, when Sam Smith and Demi Lovato came

35:25

out as non -binary, I feel like that

35:27

was the introduction to a lot of

35:29

the world on just even what non -binary

35:31

is. And now, I

35:33

mean, Now what you've done on the

35:35

show is awesome, too, because you opened that

35:37

up to a whole other demographic of

35:40

people. Oh, yeah. Is that

35:42

scary? Um, it

35:44

was a little bit,

35:47

um, just because the demographic

35:49

of selling sunset is

35:51

definitely not. Pretty heteronormative. Yeah.

35:53

Heteronormative, um, audience, kind

35:55

of middle America vibes. Midwest. Um,

35:59

so yeah, obviously I knew I was going to get heaps

36:01

of backlash. I knew. We knew

36:03

Cressel was going to cop it, just

36:05

her being with me in general. But

36:09

then again, me and Cressel

36:11

had that conversation where it's like,

36:13

wow, we really have the

36:15

power to, it sounds like

36:17

a bit hectic, but change

36:19

the world. This is going to

36:21

change people's lives, just the

36:24

representation. Because representation is everything. Totally.

36:26

So we were like, wow,

36:28

this is a number one TV

36:30

show. We

36:32

want to be authentic and show

36:34

like a positive queer relationship and

36:36

maybe it might educate some people

36:38

on what being on binary is

36:40

or, you know, all of that.

36:42

So that yeah, that's amazing. Yeah,

36:44

doesn't sound hectic at all sounds.

36:47

It's so true. You definitely

36:49

are changing like the world

36:51

and changing lives like I

36:53

can't even imagine how many

36:55

young people are watching y 'all's

36:57

relationship and. just identifying as

36:59

queer, but then like

37:01

the non -binary thing too is

37:03

just crazy because there's really

37:06

so little conversation around it. And

37:08

there's so much conversation around trans identity

37:10

in general right now in such a

37:12

negative way, especially in America with all

37:14

the bills that are getting passed. But

37:16

I do feel like the non -binary

37:19

conversation is a little bit like under

37:21

the radar and less understood than, you

37:23

know, like people just, everyone

37:25

thinks so cis. in

37:27

their head and like so binary

37:29

in their head so yeah just

37:31

like a conversation I feel like

37:33

probably some people never even heard

37:35

of non -binary people before yeah

37:37

you popped up on the show

37:39

yeah yeah I reckon and I

37:42

hope I hope it started some

37:44

conversations with people or amongst friends

37:46

about what it is and in

37:48

the end like if I can

37:50

help do that then I'm going

37:52

to help do that no matter

37:54

how much Hecticness hectic

37:56

dams that I cop said

37:58

yeah the backlash, but also your

38:00

life is good I would

38:02

assume right yeah backlash doesn't have

38:04

actually affect me yeah, I

38:06

would say me yeah some of

38:08

the messages are fucking yeah

38:10

real funny um But yeah, I

38:12

I've got a pretty thick

38:14

skin when it comes to that stuff because

38:16

again, I can't change that. I can't change

38:18

the way I feel like I'm non -binary.

38:21

Like it's not a, oh, okay,

38:23

I'll turn it off. Yeah, totally. And also

38:25

you have so much positive feedback, I'm sure

38:27

as well, right? Yeah, yeah. I

38:29

feel like it's easy to tune out

38:31

the trolls. I find it

38:33

easy. I don't know if you find it easy.

38:35

No, no, I find it easy. Especially, like you've

38:37

been, how long have you been doing music now?

38:40

Like as G -flit? Yeah. Um,

38:43

oh god, I'm so bad at

38:45

this at remembering. Yeah. Um,

38:48

but years and years and years and years

38:50

like six years. Yeah. So

38:52

you've been getting feedback for a while.

38:54

Yeah. Yeah. Positive and negative. Yeah.

38:56

I feel like the longer you do

38:59

it, the negative becomes smaller and smaller,

39:01

like not necessarily. in number,

39:03

but how it affects you. Yeah.

39:05

I've never been someone that like gives

39:07

a shit what people think. Anyway,

39:09

just going up, I just, and

39:11

I'm not someone that reads comments

39:13

or like goes into what people think

39:15

about me anyway. Like reads Reddit

39:18

threads and shit. Yeah. You can't take

39:20

it personally. Yeah. Although if you're

39:22

having a bad day and you read

39:24

a bad comment on accident, it

39:26

can send me into like a little

39:28

bit of a spiral where, especially

39:30

if someone says, exactly the

39:32

thing I'm stressed about. I'm like,

39:34

fuck, they saw it bothers

39:36

me. But for the most part, Well, if

39:38

you get bothered, just send me a

39:40

text. I'll send you an AI song. Next

39:43

time I will. Next time I will. But

39:45

no, obviously, for the most part, so

39:47

much positive feedback. What

39:50

about for Khrushchev has been hard

39:52

for like to go from being

39:54

in a public relationship on that

39:56

show in a heteronormative way than

39:58

like the next season with you?

40:00

Yeah. Is that crazy? Is that

40:02

hard? Is her skin as

40:04

thick as yours? I think you'd need

40:06

to ask me that because I can't speak on behalf

40:08

of it, but I think she took it like a

40:10

champ. You

40:13

know, she was so eloquent

40:15

in speaking on behalf of, you

40:17

know, a queer relationship for

40:19

someone who just started. Yeah. Like

40:21

her first one. Her first

40:23

one ever. And she spoke

40:25

so beautifully about, you know, my

40:27

gender identity on a public format, which

40:29

I never asked her to do.

40:32

She just did that. Yeah. So she's

40:34

a little cheeky angel. Well, she's

40:36

clearly very in love with you. Yeah.

40:38

She's so cute. and

40:41

you're obviously very in love with her. She's

40:43

so cute. This morning I was like, I

40:45

got up and I was like making myself

40:47

a coffee and she yells out, baby. And

40:50

I'm like, oh my God, what's wrong? And I

40:52

come in, she's like, I had a dream, you

40:54

had bangs. And I just wanted to make sure

40:56

you didn't get bangs. And I was like, baby,

40:58

I didn't get bangs. She's

41:01

so funny. I'm dead. Like most

41:03

people have dreams about cheating and she's

41:05

like, did you get bangs? Please

41:07

don't get bangs. So your

41:09

relationship is great. That's good. Yeah, we're good.

41:11

I well I just got home so I

41:13

flew in last night from Australia So I

41:16

can't wait to um Actually hang out go

41:18

home, but I know when I get home.

41:20

She's gonna make me do Pilates Oh God,

41:22

and I'm down to do it But I'm

41:24

just like a bit tired from like just

41:26

flying in I might do it for her

41:28

because she loves it when I work out

41:30

with her That's so sweet because we can

41:32

goof a bit. Do you do Pilates at

41:35

home or do you go to a place?

41:37

No, we do it at home. Nice. Do

41:39

do it on like a mat? Yeah, we

41:41

got, oh no, there's a Pilates reformer. You

41:43

have reformer machines? Yeah, which is new to

41:45

me. Yeah. a fun contraption.

41:47

I do Pilates on a reformer

41:49

machine also. It makes it more

41:51

fun. It is a bit more fun. Yeah, I can't just

41:53

be doing anything on a mat. No,

41:56

no, no. Yeah, the Reformer is a

41:58

bit of a fun vibe. It's

42:00

so springy. It's so springy. Now I'm

42:02

just going to picture you guys

42:04

doing Reformer Pilates together at home. And

42:06

it's a really cute image, honestly.

42:08

Yeah, it's pretty cute. And we support

42:11

each other. Girl, you can

42:13

get it. Get it. Always

42:15

like, come on, baby,

42:17

let's go. It's pretty cute.

42:20

Your relationship is so, so, so

42:22

cute. You like fixing her

42:24

dress on that red carpet, the

42:26

tail. Oh, yeah. It's the sweetest thing

42:29

I've ever seen in my life. Well, it

42:31

was a boss -ass dress, and it photographed

42:33

really well if it looked pretty on

42:35

the floor. So had to fix it. And

42:37

we were going to teach someone. And

42:39

I was like, babe, I'll just do it.

42:41

I get this dress. I understand it. I'm

42:44

good at making this look nice

42:47

for you. So I got down.

42:49

I didn't know that they were

42:51

going to take so many photos

42:53

of me crouched down on the

42:55

floor. It was

42:57

meant to be, I fix it. And then they take the picture.

43:00

But that dress was fire. Yeah, so

43:02

fire. But in that moment, it

43:04

was so sweet. I feel like you

43:06

came off as such an amazing

43:08

partner in that, too. Well

43:10

anyone would anyone that's a nice

43:12

person would do that for their

43:14

partner Yeah, I guess would anyone

43:16

though well someone who's he's a

43:18

decent guy bloke person true, you

43:20

know true if you if your

43:22

partner has a Real swanky awesome

43:24

dress and you got to make

43:26

it look nice for them. Yeah,

43:28

she couldn't bend down and do

43:30

it. No, of course It was

43:32

made out of like latex or

43:34

some like hectic rubber. Well, you

43:36

looked amazing as well. Oh, I

43:38

just I just put on a

43:40

baggy outfit that was comfy for

43:43

the day. You look cool. I'd

43:45

need to try dress better, I

43:47

reckon. I'm pretty lax with it

43:49

all. Do you have a stylist

43:51

when you do red carpet? Sometimes

43:53

and sometimes not. I actually found

43:55

it really, really hard to find

43:57

a stylist that can dress me

43:59

the way that I want to

44:01

feel confident in. Yeah, I feel

44:03

that. I've had some nightmare experiences.

44:05

I once had a...

44:07

Stylist for a music

44:09

video who dressed me

44:11

like Christina Aguilera in

44:13

dirty. I knew you were going

44:16

to say that. I'm like, it has to be

44:18

dirty. There's no other choice. And

44:20

because I was like, obviously I saw

44:22

the outfit. I was like, absolutely not. But

44:24

in my head, I was like, I

44:26

should try this on for fun. Are there

44:28

pictures of this? Yeah, I sent my

44:30

friends all photographs and they were just like,

44:32

what the fuck? This

44:35

was years and years ago,

44:37

but yeah, I feel

44:39

like I've really struggled to

44:41

find a stylist that

44:43

gets it. Because I like

44:46

dressing more mask, but

44:48

I'm a little human. Yeah,

44:50

true. It's hard to

44:52

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44:54

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44:56

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.com. No, I have the

47:55

same problem. Also, yeah, there's

47:57

just like, I feel like

47:59

so many stylists are such hot,

48:01

cute girls that are dressing

48:03

other hot, cute girls. And then

48:05

you walk in and you're

48:08

like, what would you do

48:10

with this? And they're like, and

48:12

then they immediately go to like

48:14

a suit. Yeah,

48:16

that's a classic. Here's

48:18

the suit for you. He's a hape

48:20

of baggy suits. Yeah. And then it's

48:22

like they don't look right. I have

48:24

a similar, I mean, I'm small, but

48:26

I might also have like really broad

48:28

shoulders. So I'm like, I want my

48:30

frame to look nice and I don't

48:32

want to look too masculine, but I

48:34

don't to look too girly. And it's

48:36

like to find the balance is tough.

48:38

It's hard for me to figure it

48:40

out. And I've been dressing myself for

48:42

32 years. So to walk into a

48:44

stylist and be like, can you figure

48:46

this out? Yeah. I guess like can't

48:48

sometimes it's a rough situation it's tough

48:51

but if you find one let me

48:53

know and if i find one i'll

48:55

let you know yeah if any stylist

48:57

is watching this thinking i know exactly

48:59

what to put y 'all in yeah if

49:01

you got some fly fits for us

49:03

that'd be really helpful yeah i'd appreciate

49:05

it we'll rock them on any red

49:07

carpet well i feel like too i've

49:09

gotten like my day -to -day outfits figured

49:11

out like my i know how to

49:13

dress myself just like Day in and

49:15

day out, but it's it's like the

49:17

fancy events and also like the mid

49:19

-tier fancy like business casual. Oh, yeah.

49:21

What is that? Yeah, if me and

49:23

kashel go on a date to a

49:25

nice restaurant I'm in a panic. Yeah,

49:27

we do like fuck Cuz I don't

49:29

want to look like just like kashel

49:31

always looks 20 out of

49:33

10 like flawless gorgeous like holy shit

49:35

turns every head in the room

49:37

and then there's Me coming in like

49:39

how you going mate like fuck

49:41

like that's literally how I feel with

49:44

every girl I've dated to I'm

49:46

like I know what you're gonna wear

49:48

on this day obviously something so

49:50

cute probably maybe a dress something like

49:53

Adorable and like what the fuck do I

49:55

wear to match the level and also I

49:57

always I never want to feel like I'm

49:59

not trying hard enough because when you're dating

50:01

like a girl who's super femme and they

50:03

try really hard I'm like I

50:05

appreciate it so much. I'm like, that is so nice

50:07

of you. You took the time. You did your

50:09

makeup. You did your hair. You picked out this outfit.

50:11

You look amazing. And I'm like, I want you

50:14

to know that I care about the way I look,

50:16

too. And I want to show up for you

50:18

in the same way, but it's harder because what is

50:20

the outfit exactly? I'm with you

50:22

all the way. And the hair and makeup,

50:24

too. It's like, what? How? I'm not

50:26

going to put more makeup on. Like, am

50:28

I going to do eyeshadow tonight? I find the

50:30

hair real hard because my hair is long

50:32

and. it's hectic and I

50:34

it is it is that's why that's

50:36

sometimes why I just resort to hats

50:38

because it's like if you put a

50:41

hat on you don't need to think

50:43

about it I know and if I

50:45

wear sunglasses I don't have to think

50:47

about it so much so smart I

50:49

mean yeah I feel like there's little

50:51

tricks that we all have to like

50:53

develop as less feminine people I'm like

50:55

what can I wear um okay I'm

50:57

thinking back about what you said it

51:00

is crazy like how good of a

51:02

job Cressel did on the show speaking

51:04

about her relationship and speaking about you

51:06

and your pronouns because it's one thing

51:08

to be in your first just like

51:10

like gay relationship and another thing when

51:12

there's like a gender component that's new

51:14

to you completely as well. And she

51:16

did such a good job of doing

51:19

that. Like, I think it would be

51:21

hard just to be coming out as

51:23

like a lesbian on the show or

51:25

like coming out as like being in

51:27

a lesbian relationship. Wait, and

51:29

you identify as a lesbian? Yeah,

51:32

I do. Yeah. I kind of,

51:34

yeah. You know, people ask

51:36

me this and I'm like, yeah, I'm non -binary.

51:38

I'm a lesbian. I think I like

51:40

just, I love the word lesbian. Me too. It's

51:42

so great. Me too. I'm like, hell yeah. And

51:44

I had such an aversion to it for so

51:47

long that now I'm like, I'm a lesbian. I'm

51:49

like, we need to, I need to take it

51:51

back. Yeah. especially these younger people.

51:53

Because lesbian was such a bad word,

51:55

I feel, when I was little. Was

51:57

it? Oh, yeah, growing up. Yeah. Like,

51:59

it was all made in Seoul. Yeah.

52:01

Being gay, everyone's like, oh, that's so

52:03

gay. But gay felt

52:05

less gross, you know? If

52:07

someone was saying, oh, that's so

52:09

gay that you did it, it would

52:12

be more like, that's embarrassing, or

52:14

like, you're sensitive, or it's stupid. Yeah.

52:16

Lesbian felt like, like,

52:18

it's like... gross.

52:21

You're like undesirable.

52:23

You're a boy. It

52:25

just felt so much worse to me than gay.

52:27

And I think that's why when I first came

52:29

out, gay was such an easier word to use.

52:31

Like I'd be like, I'm gay. That feels good.

52:34

Now I'm also, I'll say queer a lot.

52:36

I'd say all of them. I'm

52:39

gay, I'm queer, I'm a big lesbian. I

52:42

like saying big lesbian. Specifically.

52:45

The size is important.

52:48

But yeah, I just use all

52:50

of them. I don't

52:52

really have a favorite, I don't have... You're

52:56

not partial to one. Nah, I just use all

52:58

of them. I'm gay as fuck. I'm a big

53:00

lesbian. I'm

53:02

only going to say big lesbian

53:04

now. Yeah, I'm a big lesbian. Now

53:06

and then I'll get a DM

53:08

from a guy hitting on me. It's

53:10

so random. And my message back

53:12

to them is like, oh, I'm so sorry,

53:14

Kev, mate. I'm a big lesbian. Why

53:17

would it be in someone named

53:19

Kevin? Kevin or like... Ryan

53:22

yeah something sounds right, and it's

53:24

like What how are you going

53:26

on here literally like my last

53:28

post is me like giving my

53:30

wife a kiss on the cheek

53:32

like Yeah, I'm a big lesbian.

53:34

I've got a song called gay

53:37

for me. Yeah, just look at

53:39

me also emphasis on wife Yeah,

53:41

I'm not even available to you.

53:43

Yeah at all. It is it

53:45

is funny I do it is

53:47

enjoyable when I get those messages

53:49

because um It doesn't happen very

53:51

often. Sometimes I feel like if

53:53

you're a guy and you're attracted

53:55

to me, there's something a little

53:57

queer about you. I've actually had

54:00

quite a few like gay men

54:02

being like, and they've

54:04

said it to my face. They're

54:06

like, I'm obviously so gay, but I'm

54:08

attracted to you. Yeah. And I've had

54:10

that too. Yeah. Oh,

54:12

thank you. Thank you so

54:14

much. Awesome. Well, I guess

54:16

you've had the same on the opposite

54:18

spectrum, too, because Grichelle identified as straight, and

54:21

then you guys met, and then she

54:23

was like, wait. And it was all over.

54:25

Wait, wait, I'm into you. I'm confused. How

54:27

did y 'all meet? We

54:30

met in passing at

54:32

an event in 20. Oh,

54:34

God. You years. Yeah,

54:37

I can't remember. I

54:39

think it was the end

54:41

of 2021 or it

54:43

was like Halloween 2021 we

54:45

met at like an

54:47

event and then months and

54:49

months later in the

54:51

next year 2022 I went

54:53

to a house party

54:55

of hers She actually

54:58

held the house party for me. Really?

55:00

Yeah. How were you even talking

55:02

enough just for meeting and passing to

55:04

her throwing parties for you? So

55:06

we were talking online and I was

55:08

like because I just moved to

55:10

the States and I knew very few

55:12

people and we were messaging and

55:14

I was like, I don't have many

55:16

friends in the States and she

55:18

was like, oh, why don't I'll get

55:20

some of my friends together, we'll

55:22

go out for drinks. And then

55:24

she messaged me like, oh, I'll just have

55:26

a party and then you can meet people.

55:28

So then she had a house party. That's

55:30

so kind. So kind, obviously. Would she do

55:32

that for anyone or do you think she

55:34

a little bit had a crush on you?

55:36

I think she would do it for anyone.

55:38

Yeah, okay. I was wondering. She's a nice

55:40

girl. A little angel. So

55:43

she wasn't, she

55:45

thought I was hot, but she

55:47

wasn't thinking of me totally in that

55:49

way. Yeah. Um, but she'd

55:51

seen me play a show and

55:54

she was attracted to me. Um,

55:56

and then I went to this

55:59

house party and she got stood

56:01

up. So thanks to the bro

56:03

that stood up cause she'll that

56:05

night. And then, uh, so she

56:07

was just like being a cutie

56:09

girl around the party. And then

56:11

I was flirting with her a

56:13

little bit. And then we just.

56:15

get along you know when you

56:17

just have the back and forth

56:20

with people like the vibes just

56:22

work so we were just like

56:24

flirting and joking and then um

56:26

then we started making out in

56:28

her pantry i'm dead it's like

56:30

in a closet almost it totally

56:32

was because like obviously we went

56:34

well she at that time didn't

56:36

want to be making out with

56:38

me in the middle of her

56:41

party in her house yeah um

56:43

so I went to give her

56:45

a little cheeky kiss and we

56:47

were right near the pantry and

56:49

then she just kind of pulled

56:51

me in there and then we

56:53

were making out amongst the protein

56:55

bars. That's

56:57

scandalous. That's so scandalous. I

56:59

know it was very scandalous and then I

57:01

went on tour and then I had

57:04

a show she came to and then we

57:06

had another little cheeky kiss after that

57:08

and then I went back on tour and

57:10

then I messaged her being like, hey, Want

57:14

to go on a date

57:16

and she said I'm sorry G.

57:18

I'm straight Like you weren't

57:20

very straight in the pantry What

57:23

happened in the pantry? Yeah,

57:25

that pantry wasn't very straight down

57:27

No, and then she texted

57:29

me that and I said okay

57:31

No worries, but in my

57:33

head I was like She's confused.

57:36

We've done a lot of

57:38

gay things We've done

57:40

some gay things and

57:43

then I was still on tour

57:45

and then I was asking her some

57:47

questions about real estate because I

57:49

was looking to rent a place here

57:51

and she's got all the knowledge

57:53

about that so I sent her some

57:55

houses I was looking at to

57:57

rent and then she said why don't

57:59

I come with you to look

58:01

at the houses please and then some

58:03

more floating went down and then

58:05

I was like do you want to

58:08

get a drink after and then

58:10

we got a drink after and then

58:12

Crissel said, let's drop the car

58:14

home and go to the Abbey. No.

58:17

She's doing the gayest shit ever. Everything

58:19

she's doing is really gay. This

58:21

is gay. And I said, oh, OK, sweet.

58:23

Yeah, let's drop the car home and go to

58:25

the Abbey. They were all

58:27

making out at the Abbey. We were

58:29

actually making out all over West Hollywood

58:32

for like a while before anyone caught

58:34

us. I saw you at the Abbey.

58:36

Was it before? I don't know when,

58:38

I think it was before you guys

58:40

were out. were all over West Hollywood

58:42

making out. Yeah. There was some like, we

58:45

saw some when it was like rumored

58:47

that we were talking, hooking up or whatever.

58:49

There were some comments from really nice

58:51

people being like, I saw them making out

58:53

at the Abbey, I let them have

58:55

their privacy and we were like, hell yeah.

58:57

So funny, that's the gayest place to

58:59

make out. I know, we'd be

59:01

there, we were all over West

59:03

Hollywood for a while and I think

59:05

it's like the queers gave us

59:07

our, Yeah. Space. was cute. I

59:10

love when the queers respect privacy.

59:12

Sometimes it happens, sometimes it doesn't. Yes.

59:14

But what do you consider your first

59:16

date then? I reckon

59:18

that. The day that you went and

59:21

looked at houses? I think that,

59:23

yeah, because... ...Cochelle said that she got

59:25

ready for that, like, looking at

59:27

houses like a date, like, and then

59:29

that's when she kind of knew,

59:31

oh, I think I like this person

59:34

more than... Like a friend.

59:36

Yeah. Did you get ready the same way?

59:38

I get ready the same way every day. I

59:40

know was going to say the same honestly. But

59:42

were you nervous at all? No. No.

59:45

No, I don't know. I don't get nervous.

59:47

Do you feel like you were just like, this

59:49

girl is going to come around obviously, she

59:51

likes me and like she just doesn't know it?

59:53

Well, I thought that I knew that we

59:56

liked each other, but I, we both never thought

59:58

that we'd end up getting married. Yeah, I

1:00:00

mean. That was, yeah, we

1:00:02

like, we didn't. No, at

1:00:04

the time that we were each other's person.

1:00:06

Yeah, like that you were going to

1:00:08

fall in love with each other. Yeah. Do

1:00:10

you kind of think it was going

1:00:12

to be like a fun, like flirty kind

1:00:14

of vibe? I thought it was a

1:00:16

fun little flirty vibe. Thought that we might,

1:00:18

you know, mess around a little bit,

1:00:20

but still be really good friends because we

1:00:22

just like, just as people, we got

1:00:24

along so well. Yeah. As like mates, like

1:00:26

our banter is so funny and she

1:00:28

makes me laugh so much. And now you're

1:00:30

married. And now we're mased. When did

1:00:32

you get married? We got

1:00:34

married. You better know this

1:00:36

year. Well, to be honest, everyone's

1:00:39

got it wrong. We got

1:00:41

married in 2022. No way.

1:00:43

But everyone thinks we got married last

1:00:45

year. Okay. We got married in

1:00:47

2022, but we get married once every

1:00:49

year. Hell yeah. We've already done

1:00:51

two weddings. What was the first wedding?

1:00:53

In Vegas. Awesome. With Elvis. Oh,

1:00:55

yeah. So fun. Second

1:00:57

was in Palm Springs and

1:01:00

Emma Couchel's best friend wed

1:01:02

us in a Den and

1:01:04

Bikini and the Photos of

1:01:06

Fire. Obviously. But we

1:01:08

don't plan the weddings

1:01:10

because planning weddings is

1:01:13

stressful. We plan it the day

1:01:15

before and then we message our friends and whoever

1:01:17

rocks up that day rocks up that day. That's

1:01:19

so cute. And we wear whatever. Whose

1:01:21

ideal is it? Did you guys come

1:01:23

up with that together? Yeah, well, that's

1:01:25

just like me and Kushelle. We're like,

1:01:28

we don't want to be stressed. So,

1:01:32

like, we don't want to

1:01:34

be stressed and it's way more fun being

1:01:36

spontaneous and not thinking too much about

1:01:38

it. Yeah, it's so romantic. Yeah. Do you

1:01:40

do vows every time? Yeah, different vows

1:01:42

every year. That's really cute. I was just

1:01:44

literally talking to someone about this the

1:01:46

other day that was like, I feel like

1:01:48

vows are the most important part of

1:01:50

the wedding and like people should have to

1:01:52

write them. I feel like people should

1:01:54

have to write not like vows, but like

1:01:56

almost like a yearly kind of thing

1:01:58

like that, even just into Just

1:02:01

to like remind yourself why you

1:02:03

are dating someone and why you

1:02:05

should appreciate them. Yeah, I reckon

1:02:07

a cheeky little wedding ceremony every

1:02:09

year is really healthy. It's like

1:02:11

we celebrate a birthday and we

1:02:13

celebrate ourselves every year. You've got

1:02:15

like a life partner who is

1:02:17

your person you're waking up with

1:02:19

every day. You should celebrate something

1:02:21

together. Like the relationship should have

1:02:23

a little birthday celebration. Yeah, your

1:02:25

love. And with the people that

1:02:28

Love you love because obviously people

1:02:30

do anniversaries right but so often

1:02:32

anniversary is. A date you

1:02:34

know I know they just go to dinner

1:02:36

have a wine make some love and

1:02:38

then call it a day if you have

1:02:40

a full wedding you're like looking into

1:02:42

each other's eyes and like promising you know

1:02:44

to be better for that person every

1:02:47

year yeah. That is so nice. And it's

1:02:49

fucking fun. Yeah. It's like fun. And

1:02:51

it's like, you know, everyone gets a text

1:02:53

message and they're like, holy shit, like

1:02:55

where am I? Like can I make it

1:02:57

work? Like when we were in Vegas,

1:02:59

everyone got four hours notice. So like people

1:03:02

were like, like it was some people

1:03:04

obviously couldn't come. Yeah. A lot of people

1:03:06

couldn't come. So yeah, only like there

1:03:08

was like four, five people at that wedding.

1:03:10

And then this second wedding last year,

1:03:12

we had about 10 guests or something. That's

1:03:14

so nice. And I'm sure to like

1:03:17

rotate. Also, it's kind of crazy

1:03:19

if you think about so often people's made

1:03:21

of honor in their wedding, like ends up

1:03:23

not really being their best friend 10 years

1:03:25

down the line or like 20 years down

1:03:27

the line. So if you're having a wedding

1:03:29

each year, like you're guaranteed to have the

1:03:31

people who love you there. And you choose

1:03:33

a made of honor a gay of honor

1:03:35

or a best man every year, it changes.

1:03:37

That's so fun. And it's so fun asking. That's

1:03:40

so sweet. And also you're

1:03:42

making people feel special and important

1:03:44

to your relationship too, which

1:03:46

friends are a huge part of

1:03:48

your relationship. I find that

1:03:50

your romantic relationship without friends support

1:03:52

on both sides can crumble. It's

1:03:55

kind of like the foundation of your

1:03:57

life, especially as an adult if you're

1:03:59

away from your family because your family's

1:04:01

in Australia, I'm assuming. Friends are

1:04:03

family, so you need them. And you

1:04:05

need them to be celebrating your love.

1:04:08

Because then you're like, yeah, this relationship is

1:04:10

awesome. I'm doing the right thing. Chicky

1:04:12

wedding every year and you don't have to

1:04:14

spend any money on it. You can

1:04:16

go to IHOP. I don't know. Just literally

1:04:18

just rock up anywhere, bring everyone. Yeah.

1:04:21

It's kind of taking the concept of I've

1:04:23

recently said I feel like when I

1:04:25

get married, I probably want to do a

1:04:27

destination wedding because then you kind of

1:04:29

weed out the people who are not like

1:04:31

that invested in your life, you know,

1:04:34

because there's like a monetary and like travel

1:04:36

and whatever. It's that

1:04:38

concept like on crack because you're

1:04:40

like, yeah, tomorrow. Where are you?

1:04:42

Are you coming? Yeah. Awesome.

1:04:45

Do you think you'll ever get married in Australia? Yeah,

1:04:47

we'll do one there for sure. Yeah. Because

1:04:49

I've got my family. They want

1:04:51

to be a part of a wedding and there's

1:04:53

never enough notice for them to get their

1:04:55

shit together to fly over because the flight's 15

1:04:57

hours. Yeah. Four hour tax is not going

1:04:59

to be enough for an Australian. Yeah.

1:05:01

Are your family, are they in what

1:05:03

part of Australia? They're in Melbourne. Okay.

1:05:06

Do you go back often? I

1:05:08

know you do for business,

1:05:10

but for family also? Yeah, I

1:05:12

always make enough time to

1:05:14

see them all. So like this

1:05:16

trip I just did, I

1:05:18

came for three nights, but

1:05:20

like I flew into Melbourne, saw my

1:05:22

family for the day, then flew to Sydney to do

1:05:25

the job in Sydney, then straight after that job in

1:05:27

Sydney flew back to Melbourne to have one night

1:05:29

to see my family again, then flew back to Sydney

1:05:31

to do the next job. So I always make

1:05:33

sure I fit it in and

1:05:35

my sister just had a baby and

1:05:37

oh my look at this I

1:05:39

was wondering who's oh my gosh is

1:05:41

it the first baby yeah first

1:05:43

baby of the family her name's Betty

1:05:45

moon I'm so obsessed so cute

1:05:47

she's so cute she's coming here in

1:05:49

two weeks oh my god wait

1:05:51

how old is she five months oh

1:05:53

my gosh it would be her

1:05:55

first flight us a third flight wow

1:05:57

big Big daddy flight, you know,

1:05:59

that's massive, but I've bought all the

1:06:01

things. Yeah. I bought a high

1:06:03

chair, a crib. No, I didn't. Yeah.

1:06:05

I bought it play mat. I

1:06:07

bought all these play toys. I bought

1:06:09

bath toys. I bought this cutest

1:06:11

thing that can let her swim in

1:06:13

the pool and she floats in

1:06:15

the fucking thing. Okay. I'm going to

1:06:17

cry. You and Grisel like seem like

1:06:20

you're made for each other because you both seem

1:06:22

very thoughtful. Like to

1:06:24

think that far ahead to get

1:06:26

all those things. Yeah, we're pretty,

1:06:28

but that became my hyper focus.

1:06:30

Okay. Baby baby. Oh, I've researched

1:06:32

like what is the best strollers?

1:06:34

What are the best like strollers

1:06:36

that convert into car seats? researched

1:06:39

the best breast pumps, what breast

1:06:41

pumps are the favorites. I've done

1:06:43

reviews on everything, reviews on cribs.

1:06:45

It became a hyper -focus once

1:06:47

my sister had a baby. I

1:06:49

had to know everything and then

1:06:51

learn how the baby's brain progresses

1:06:53

every month and what they're learning

1:06:55

each month. And then learning if

1:06:57

the baby gets a rash around

1:06:59

here, they're probably teething and then

1:07:01

just learning heaps of stuff. Okay,

1:07:03

so when are you having your

1:07:05

own baby? We'll have babies one

1:07:07

day, me and Krisha. Everyone's always

1:07:09

asking us, hell yeah, we'll have

1:07:11

bebies. Now you have to. No, I

1:07:14

just saw that. Well,

1:07:16

we're waiting. I'll play our

1:07:18

favorite song. This

1:07:23

is actually the song, the other

1:07:25

song that I made because I was late. It's

1:07:28

called Sorry I'm Late, Shannon. That's

1:07:56

it. Yeah, that one is a short and sweet

1:07:58

one. Also, I was actually

1:08:00

relieved that you were late because I was

1:08:03

saying I hate when people are on time. It's

1:08:05

gotten so bad, LA, that I assume when

1:08:07

I say 11, it's not 11. So then when

1:08:09

someone is on time, I'm like, oh my

1:08:11

god. What the fuck do you do if someone's

1:08:13

early? stress the fuck

1:08:15

out that would be and it's happened it

1:08:17

has happened really yeah but only by

1:08:19

like a few minutes but no I was

1:08:21

glad that you were a little bit

1:08:23

late anyway well it made it allowed me

1:08:25

to make fun little songs for you

1:08:27

yeah thank you for that thank you so

1:08:29

much so fine um is do you

1:08:31

only have one sister one sister and five

1:08:33

stepbrothers five stepbrothers yeah and I always

1:08:36

wanted a brother for Christmas I'd ask for

1:08:38

every year till I was like way

1:08:40

too old like 15 And

1:08:45

then my parents divorced

1:08:47

and then got remarried

1:08:49

and now I have

1:08:51

five stepbrothers. That's awesome.

1:08:54

fucking great. I saw in an interview you

1:08:56

said that your parents are divorced but

1:08:58

you still do all of your holidays together?

1:09:00

Yeah. Yeah. My parents are divorced and

1:09:02

we're all going on a cruise together in

1:09:04

May. My mom, my dad. New partners? They've

1:09:07

had. new partners and also lost

1:09:09

them broke up so my mom and

1:09:11

dad both were remarried they both

1:09:13

got divorced again when I was like

1:09:16

in college and then my dad

1:09:18

got remarried again and then he got

1:09:20

divorced again so I've had seven

1:09:22

step siblings oh wow and I guess

1:09:24

tech technically I don't have any

1:09:26

right now but I still have a

1:09:28

relationship with two of them yeah

1:09:30

but it's in it crazy to like

1:09:32

have that experience with your family

1:09:34

because people Freak out people about it

1:09:37

people like yeah, my parents still

1:09:39

hang out and they make jokes and

1:09:41

it's like Fun and they're at

1:09:43

everything together with their new partners And

1:09:45

everything's chill me and my sister.

1:09:47

We're so cheeky though. We always make

1:09:49

jokes that they're flirting like Yeah,

1:09:51

like all the time like obviously they

1:09:53

are divorced and they're just mates

1:09:55

but like they'll be like in the

1:09:58

kitchen like helping each other make

1:10:00

a salad or something and we'll be

1:10:02

like are you guys flirting again

1:10:04

and they're like no or they'll like

1:10:06

be like bickering over something and

1:10:08

then we'll be like are you guys

1:10:10

always flirting with each other yeah

1:10:12

I feel like I do that with

1:10:14

my parents too except for it's

1:10:16

more like should you guys just be

1:10:18

together because now that they both

1:10:21

don't have partners they've really Kind

1:10:23

of gone back to leaning on each

1:10:25

other almost as partners Chris could be

1:10:27

it, but they would never like they shouldn't

1:10:29

ever yeah, but my parents should but

1:10:31

I'll call my dad and he'll be

1:10:33

at his house and be like what

1:10:35

are you doing? He's like, oh, I'm just

1:10:37

working your mom's cleaning. I'm like cleaning

1:10:40

what it's like the house i'm like

1:10:42

your house he's like yeah she just came

1:10:44

over she's cleaning up my mom is

1:10:46

like ocd so she's always cleaning something

1:10:48

but they're always together or i'll call my

1:10:50

mom i'll be like what are you

1:10:52

up to and she's like oh i'm

1:10:54

at dinner i'm like oh with him she's

1:10:56

like your father i'm like you guys

1:10:58

that's cute no it's adorable just besties

1:11:00

they're besties and my dad had a heart

1:11:03

attack in 20 look now I don't

1:11:05

know dates 2022 I think and my

1:11:07

mom was the first person he called like

1:11:09

while he was having the heart attack

1:11:11

he called my mom so they definitely

1:11:13

have I feel like it's like to me

1:11:15

they're just family you know to each

1:11:17

other they're family yeah because they have

1:11:19

me and Casey and I just have one

1:11:22

sister too so older or younger older

1:11:24

yeah is yours older months older how

1:11:26

much 18 months older oh my gosh

1:11:28

you're almost like Irish twins yeah mom and

1:11:30

dad go to edit Quick quick and

1:11:32

then they stopped. Yeah. Yeah, they

1:11:34

stopped My sister's five years older. So

1:11:36

we have a pretty big. Oh, that's

1:11:38

cute. Yeah, it's nice She's like much

1:11:40

wiser than me. I feel but she's

1:11:43

trying to have a boobie. Oh God

1:11:45

when you when you when I got

1:11:47

when you become like I'm an unki.

1:11:49

That's my life. Yeah, let me say

1:11:51

what are you calling it? a un

1:11:53

kie Anki

1:11:55

Jiggy. We call me Jiggy. So

1:11:57

Jiggy's home. Okay, that's really cute.

1:11:59

Yeah, it's fucking cute. So

1:12:02

I'm Anki Jiggy and when you

1:12:04

become like an Auntie Anki whatever like

1:12:06

your your mind is gonna blow

1:12:08

up. Yeah, because it is the most

1:12:10

cute thing and when they get

1:12:12

smiling You need a baby But I

1:12:14

love children like I was a

1:12:17

music teacher and I would be a

1:12:19

music teacher if I wasn't Doing

1:12:21

what you're doing doing this just because

1:12:23

I love teaching kids things and

1:12:25

kids that like me dogs and kids

1:12:27

that like me a lot that

1:12:29

makes sense But you have like a

1:12:31

childlike energy to you. Yeah, so

1:12:34

I am very childlike You're like one

1:12:36

of them. Yeah, we get each

1:12:38

other We like sitting at dinner and

1:12:40

then like a little kid will

1:12:42

just come up to me and just

1:12:44

be like Like for no reason

1:12:46

and I'll be like hey buddy and

1:12:49

like dogs as well really like

1:12:51

me That's a good sign about

1:12:53

who you are and your soul, I

1:12:55

feel. Kuchel's dog Gracie,

1:12:57

like, chose me straight up. No way.

1:12:59

It was like, like, and

1:13:01

yeah, just liked me straight up, which

1:13:03

is nice. Do you have pets? No.

1:13:05

No, I don't. So you just have

1:13:08

the one? Yeah. We have Gracie, who's

1:13:10

an old girl. She's about 14, and

1:13:12

she's just so cute. She's got a

1:13:14

little, tiny body. What kind of

1:13:16

dog is this? It's a little,

1:13:18

little like... mix um uh rescue dog

1:13:20

um but her body she's like a

1:13:22

little loaf of bread like it's like

1:13:24

this round sack of potatoes it's great

1:13:26

i need to meet the star yeah

1:13:28

she's so cute i can't believe you

1:13:30

live in ellen like we don't see

1:13:32

each other more often yeah we run

1:13:34

into each other more often because i'm

1:13:36

what we At the Abbey, we ran

1:13:38

into each other. The Abbey? I ran

1:13:40

into you at 41 too. Yeah, 4100,

1:13:42

classic place. Yeah, I feel like I'm

1:13:44

just not here enough, but I want

1:13:46

to start being, but I'm about to

1:13:48

go on tour. But just recently, I

1:13:50

had so much work in Australia, so

1:13:52

it's a lot of like... going there

1:13:54

and now in a few days I'm

1:13:56

going to London, so I'm just a

1:13:58

little bit all over the place, but

1:14:00

I want to be here more. Yeah,

1:14:02

true, it would be nice. Obviously

1:14:05

you're good at balancing your relationship with

1:14:07

Cresce, but is it hard to balance friendships

1:14:09

when you're bouncing around so much? Yeah,

1:14:11

I think it's hard to balance just life.

1:14:15

Like I'm always working.

1:14:17

I fit in my

1:14:20

family and my

1:14:22

friends in Cresce, but...

1:14:24

Like definitely friendships. It's

1:14:27

like a lot of you know, snapchat.

1:14:29

I mean the my I had the

1:14:32

same friends since I was like eight.

1:14:34

So I'm in the same friendship group

1:14:36

my whole life. So, um, are they

1:14:38

all in Australia? Yeah. So they're all

1:14:40

there. Um, and I'm. you know always

1:14:42

in the chat groups with them and

1:14:44

then like when I just went into

1:14:46

Melbourne for a quick hot minute like

1:14:49

yesterday like they they all they all

1:14:51

come over for dinner and like I

1:14:53

try make sure I see them all

1:14:55

when I'm in town um but it's

1:14:57

definitely hard I think like my work

1:14:59

life balance I work so much that

1:15:01

like the last time I had a

1:15:04

day where it's like what did what

1:15:06

do I feel like doing today I

1:15:08

can't remember That's terrible. I know. I

1:15:10

feel like you deserve that. I know.

1:15:12

Like, I can't imagine like waking up

1:15:14

and being like, what, what

1:15:16

do I feel like doing? I can do whatever I

1:15:18

want. Yeah. Cause I've got so much on my plate.

1:15:20

Yeah. I was going to say, do you just have

1:15:23

a calendar that's like full to the brim of like,

1:15:25

oh yeah. And then, and then, and then, and then,

1:15:27

and then. Yeah. Up till like November. I

1:15:29

know, I know what I'm doing on

1:15:31

October 21st. I know what I'm doing on

1:15:33

July 3rd. I know like. Is it

1:15:36

nice at all just to have that much

1:15:38

like. going so that you

1:15:40

know you're never gonna I like going

1:15:42

and going because I've like the ADHD thing

1:15:44

like I love working like I love

1:15:46

it and I love doing things but at

1:15:48

the same time I'm like God I

1:15:50

wish I had a day yeah where I

1:15:52

could but then also like I've got

1:15:54

so much work I have to do so

1:15:57

then when I do have a day

1:15:59

where it's like I need to just like

1:16:01

choose what I want to do today

1:16:03

in the back of my mind I'm like

1:16:05

I really should be working on my

1:16:07

drum solo for the next tour. And

1:16:09

I'm not going to be able to fit

1:16:11

that in any other day. So I kind

1:16:13

of have to do that today. Or I've

1:16:15

got, you know, something else to do. So

1:16:17

my work life balance is not good. It's

1:16:19

not healthy. And I'm not going to be

1:16:21

able to do it forever. So I've got

1:16:24

to work on that. Yeah. I was going

1:16:26

to say, I feel like that's like how

1:16:28

you lead to burnout, right? Yeah. But I'm

1:16:30

sure you'll figure it out. Yeah. But also

1:16:32

it's kind of awesome because. I feel like

1:16:34

so much as your career is like blowing

1:16:36

up, right? I feel like in the last

1:16:38

even two years, it's gone from like -

1:16:40

Yeah, it's gone pretty good, I think. On

1:16:42

like hyperdrive. Yeah. Which is

1:16:44

awesome. I think it's going pretty well.

1:16:46

Like my last album I released

1:16:48

last year went pretty well and a

1:16:50

big focus has been like trying

1:16:52

to sell tickets in America. Because

1:16:55

obviously being an Aussie artist, you

1:16:57

can get stuck just being an Australian

1:16:59

artist. I did

1:17:01

a tour, well, I opened up for Fletcher,

1:17:03

and then I opened up for K -Flay,

1:17:06

and then I started getting my own fan

1:17:08

base here, and then I sold out a

1:17:10

tour last year, and now I've got another

1:17:12

tour that I'm about to go on, which

1:17:14

is almost sold out, so. Awesome,

1:17:16

that's so awesome. It's good

1:17:18

to try go over to another

1:17:20

market. Yeah, it is tough.

1:17:22

And have fans over there, so

1:17:25

I'm really thankful for anyone

1:17:27

who wants to come see my

1:17:29

show. Yeah. Well, I have

1:17:31

mostly American followers, so go see

1:17:33

G -Show. What's up, Americans? Worst

1:17:37

Person Alive is one of my favorite

1:17:39

songs of all time. Really? Yeah, literally.

1:17:42

I listen to it all the time. I'm obsessed. And

1:17:44

your cover of Cruel Summer, obviously, is

1:17:46

incredible. so cool

1:17:48

with the Taylor Swift interaction of that.

1:17:50

Yeah. We have to talk about Taylor

1:17:52

Swift just because her whole album today.

1:17:54

Yeah, I was listening last night. Yeah,

1:17:57

I already did it. All 31

1:17:59

songs. I did it. I know.

1:18:01

I was like, there's 16 songs in there. Oh, no,

1:18:03

31 songs. I was listening to

1:18:05

the first 16 when the 15 came out. So

1:18:07

I was like, same. I was like, I have

1:18:09

a whole night. I have things to do. Yeah.

1:18:11

Yeah. I was up to like three doing it.

1:18:13

And I was like, and I

1:18:15

woke up. I had a meeting and then I

1:18:17

was like, then you were late and it

1:18:19

was amazing because I was not ready. So it

1:18:21

was perfect. But was that

1:18:23

awesome, the cruel summer thing? Yeah, for

1:18:25

sure. I think I really love that

1:18:28

song and I wanted to make it

1:18:30

my own kind of version, which was

1:18:32

more drummy. And then I wanted to

1:18:34

keep like the emotional core of the

1:18:36

lyrics by adding like a string section. But

1:18:40

I had, I didn't think

1:18:42

that Taylor would ever say it.

1:18:44

Yeah. Quite honest and to

1:18:46

like it and think it was good

1:18:48

It's awesome. It was pretty. It's

1:18:50

you know, it was very cool. That's

1:18:52

so awesome I feel like any

1:18:54

doing any cover if like of a

1:18:56

living artist. Yeah, there's like obviously

1:18:58

That's the biggest honor you could get

1:19:00

is the artist to like it

1:19:02

and be like good job with that

1:19:04

Yeah, and then one of the

1:19:06

biggest artists in the world on top

1:19:08

of that the biggest in the

1:19:10

world. That's crazy. Yeah It was a

1:19:12

very good day for me. I

1:19:14

cried a lot of happy tears and

1:19:16

you know I'm just stoked she

1:19:18

liked my arrangement of it because I

1:19:20

like changed the key and the

1:19:22

tempo and I wrote all these new

1:19:24

parts for it and just tried

1:19:26

to make it what it would be

1:19:28

like if it was on like

1:19:30

my album so and for her to

1:19:32

think it was cool was very

1:19:34

groovy and it was very cool. That's

1:19:37

so awesome. Also like you really made it

1:19:39

your own. You really did. but

1:19:41

with still honoring it as it was, which is

1:19:43

kind of, I feel like that's like the

1:19:45

best thing that you can do with a cover.

1:19:48

And tough, I can imagine, I don't

1:19:50

fucking know. I just had fun with

1:19:52

it and I didn't have a studio

1:19:54

at the time, so I just had

1:19:57

my MIDI keyboard in a spare

1:19:59

bedroom in my house in Melbourne and

1:20:01

I was just staying up way too

1:20:03

long just fucking around making my little

1:20:05

MIDI. Was it a hyper -focus

1:20:07

for a second? Yes. It was. It was.

1:20:09

Another hyper -focus. It was. And we should

1:20:11

hang out. We should definitely hang out.

1:20:13

Yeah. You were with the Beaches crew, weren't

1:20:15

you? Yeah. Fuck yeah. I'm playing a

1:20:17

show with them in a few weeks. Awesome.

1:20:19

Where? In Florida. Florida.

1:20:22

Florida. Every

1:20:24

single syllable of Florida. I pronounced

1:20:26

that one. Yeah, you got

1:20:28

it. I think it's something St.

1:20:30

Petersburg may be. Is it

1:20:32

a pride thing? No.

1:20:35

Just a show? Just a show.

1:20:37

Fuck. Why should I go? I

1:20:39

think that's the right place. I might have

1:20:41

got that wrong. There's like a lot

1:20:43

of dates and a lot of places in

1:20:45

America. This place is huge and you

1:20:47

can go one hour one way and they

1:20:49

speak different. It's massive. And you guys

1:20:51

are into weird shit and you eat different

1:20:53

foods and you talk funny and there's

1:20:56

cowboys here and people wear cowboy hats. It's

1:20:58

true. And then there's people who are

1:21:00

like really Hectic, yeah, and

1:21:02

then not and some Uber drivers really

1:21:04

talk a lot of stuff And there's

1:21:06

earthquakes here too and tornadoes. There's a

1:21:08

whole section in America where there's fucking

1:21:10

tornadoes going down They've got sirens and

1:21:12

everything. Mm -hmm. You can be where

1:21:14

I'm from You can eat some sushi

1:21:16

one day and then there's an alarm

1:21:18

going off and you got to have

1:21:20

run for cover Mm -hmm. It's

1:21:22

a hectic place America literally G

1:21:24

flip explains America. That's it.

1:21:26

It's hectic I learned cornhole the

1:21:29

other day You never played

1:21:31

before? Yeah, the game

1:21:33

with like the bags. Yeah, what do you think? It's

1:21:36

funny. It's funny

1:21:38

because it's real, real basic game.

1:21:40

Very. You can't mess it up.

1:21:42

You can't. Yeah. And you got

1:21:44

to get it in. Yeah, you

1:21:46

too. Yeah, it's. I'm

1:21:48

done. You guys are funny. Your squirrels

1:21:50

are funny. There's heaps of funny

1:21:52

shit about this place. Are squirrels? Are

1:21:54

they different? We don't have them.

1:21:57

What? They ain't no squirrels in Australia.

1:21:59

At all? Well, we also

1:22:01

don't have the spiders and snakes and

1:22:03

shit that you have. We

1:22:05

have spiders the size of your hand.

1:22:07

I would wake up and I'd wake

1:22:09

up and look in the corners of

1:22:11

my room just expecting this size spider

1:22:13

and like three times a year there

1:22:15

would be one. That's terrible. They don't

1:22:17

bite though. not harmful. Are you scared

1:22:19

of spiders? Not a little

1:22:21

bit of the bigger

1:22:23

ones. But any of the small

1:22:25

ones, no, and Kuchel is full

1:22:27

arachnophobic. No way. Full arachnophobic like, well,

1:22:29

her legs fail and she falls

1:22:31

to the floor and it's a big

1:22:33

deal and big screens. God. Has

1:22:36

she gone to Australia with you? Yeah,

1:22:38

she was very reluctant and every time she

1:22:40

comes, I get my whole house sprayed. Because

1:22:42

if she finds it, if there is a spider

1:22:44

in my house, she'll never come back. Yeah. So

1:22:47

I get it sprayed. Every

1:22:49

time she's visiting, they

1:22:51

come over and they do the

1:22:53

outside and the inside, and I'm just

1:22:55

terrified of the day that there

1:22:57

is a spider she sees. And then

1:22:59

she's gonna be like, my stomach

1:23:01

is really numb. Never come back. That's,

1:23:04

do you hear this? Yeah, it's full

1:23:07

on. It's serious. full

1:23:09

on making sounds. Wait, do you have any phobias? the

1:23:12

thought of being buried alive. I

1:23:14

was gonna say I'm claustrophobic. I'm claustrophobic.

1:23:16

That's the only one. Because I

1:23:18

think when I was younger my sisters

1:23:20

zipped me up in a beanbag

1:23:22

and then that made me a bit

1:23:24

scared and then one time I

1:23:26

was in a hotel as a kid

1:23:28

and I slipped down the side

1:23:30

of the bed with my arms and

1:23:32

legs enclosed and that made me

1:23:34

a bit scared of small spaces because

1:23:36

I couldn't escape. That'll do it.

1:23:38

Yeah. The thought of like going head

1:23:40

first, like climbing into like a

1:23:42

cave or something and then not being

1:23:44

able to get out backwards, that

1:23:46

is the freakiest thing to me. Yeah.

1:23:48

So claustrophobia too. Yeah, claustrophobic and

1:23:51

kind of don't want to bungee jump

1:23:53

ever. No need. I

1:23:55

would maybe jump out of

1:23:57

the plane, but bungee jumping, thought

1:24:00

of. Is that you now? That

1:24:02

was my tummy. Okay. We need

1:24:04

to eat. Clearly.

1:24:07

It's like an ultrasound. Wait, do

1:24:09

you want to? Oh my god, baby. No, I

1:24:11

don't want to carry a baby. I have dreams though.

1:24:13

I have dreams that I have sex with boys. Me

1:24:16

too. Do you? Yeah,

1:24:18

but specifically I give

1:24:20

blowjobs. Oh, whoa. Isn't

1:24:23

that terrible? Big

1:24:25

dick, small dick. What are we working

1:24:27

with? Anything. All the time. It happens

1:24:29

often. Wow. I don't suck

1:24:31

dick in my dreams. I'm just

1:24:33

getting penetrated. Is it a bad

1:24:35

dream to you? I'm kind of,

1:24:37

kind of, yeah. But sometimes in

1:24:39

the dream, I'm enjoying it. But

1:24:42

it's weird. It's like, I'll wake

1:24:44

up and I'll be like, babe,

1:24:46

I had sex with a guy

1:24:48

last night. Yeah. It happens. in

1:24:51

the moment doesn't feel like a nightmare,

1:24:53

but when I wake up, I'm disturbed.

1:24:56

I can't believe you're sucking on this dick in your

1:24:58

dream, Shannon. It does not make any sense. I

1:25:00

don't know why. Something is

1:25:02

going on. No, I think it

1:25:04

just, I would like to know other

1:25:06

queer people if this happens to

1:25:08

you, because it's like once every two

1:25:10

months. Yeah, it has to be

1:25:13

common, right? Yeah, it must be. I

1:25:15

don't know. I hope. I

1:25:17

know. I mean, I definitely have sex too

1:25:19

sometimes. But the bloat, maybe

1:25:21

it's just because the blowjobs is so

1:25:23

traumatizing. I'm like, holy shit. Yeah,

1:25:25

the trauma comes back last night. Wow,

1:25:27

that's full on. Do you ever

1:25:29

just walk out and say to your

1:25:31

housemate, they're like, how's your sleep?

1:25:33

You're like, second dick last night. I

1:25:35

do. I'm like, I had another

1:25:37

blowjob dream. Like, I don't know what's

1:25:39

going on. So please

1:25:41

tell me that you've had one of

1:25:43

these also. That's it. Wait, OK, but

1:25:45

that was, we both definitely

1:25:47

have ADHD. So

1:25:49

you wouldn't want to carry the baby though?

1:25:51

No. Okay. The thought of carrying a

1:25:54

child doesn't thrill me. Yeah. And it's not

1:25:56

something that I would want to do. Like

1:25:59

if like my sister couldn't have

1:26:01

a baby or there was some circumstance

1:26:03

where I needed to, you know,

1:26:05

do it, do it for the team,

1:26:07

then I would, but I would

1:26:09

fucking hate every second of it because

1:26:12

it just, the thought of a,

1:26:14

yeah, it's just not, yeah,

1:26:16

it's just not for me. So,

1:26:21

yeah. Yeah. Well, good thing you

1:26:23

have one. Sometimes I'm like,

1:26:25

yeah, I feel like I could do it.

1:26:27

Like the thought of, I have dreams about

1:26:29

being pregnant too. And I'm like, I feel

1:26:31

like it would be kind of cute. Like

1:26:33

the thought of it is kind of cute

1:26:35

to me. Hello. Wearing these little outfits and

1:26:37

then being like pregnant. Yeah. But then there's

1:26:39

going to be a little. thing

1:26:42

inside that's like swimming around inside

1:26:44

yeah yeah I don't know I think

1:26:46

like I think the thing that

1:26:48

is attractive to me about it is

1:26:50

just that I think it's such

1:26:52

a beautiful like phenomenon like how amazing

1:26:54

are women that they can do

1:26:56

that and I'm like crazy I'm kind

1:26:58

of one of those yeah if

1:27:00

I wanted to it is spectacular and

1:27:02

beautiful and like it's like a Whole

1:27:05

nother thing. It's like the most

1:27:07

badass thing. I feel like you

1:27:10

can do that. It's fucking badass.

1:27:12

Yeah, that's what attracts me to

1:27:14

it. Yeah, it's fucking and Imagine

1:27:16

smacking out twins. I don't wanna

1:27:18

imagine that How is it

1:27:20

possible? Octoplets. I don't want

1:27:22

to think about that. I reckon you could be

1:27:24

an octopus, mama. No, no.

1:27:27

That would ruin me. I do not

1:27:29

have child birthing hips either. Yeah.

1:27:32

And that actually does scare me because I

1:27:34

think your body can a little bit change

1:27:36

after you give birth. Yeah. And become a

1:27:38

little more like feminine. And I kind of

1:27:40

am obsessed with the fact that my body

1:27:42

is not that feminine. Yeah, same. Like if

1:27:44

my boobs got pretty like big. I don't

1:27:46

know what I would, I think I'd be

1:27:49

feeling weird. get big milky tits. I don't

1:27:51

know if I could do that part, you

1:27:53

know? I've got a secret big set of

1:27:55

titties under here, but I wear binders. But

1:27:57

I've got a pretty, like, I

1:28:00

think every person I've ever had

1:28:02

sex with is always like, shocked.

1:28:04

Holy shit. What the

1:28:06

fuck? Everyone. The

1:28:08

binders are, they work

1:28:10

wonders. Kushelle thinks that I have bigger

1:28:12

boobs than her. No way. Yeah. No way.

1:28:14

She fully is like, you've got bigger

1:28:16

boobs than me. I'm like, they're kind of

1:28:19

the same, similar, but I do have

1:28:21

actually quite, quite a set of titties. I

1:28:23

guess that makes, that actually is like

1:28:25

making me feel better because I'm like, I

1:28:27

guess if I, if they got big,

1:28:29

I could just wear a binder. Yeah. Like

1:28:32

I smash them down with a binder. Yeah,

1:28:34

I could do that. Yeah. Would you, do

1:28:36

you want to keep them forever? I think

1:28:38

at some stage, I'll end up chopping them

1:28:40

off. Yeah. Um, I

1:28:42

see that in my future. But

1:28:44

right now at the moment, I'm

1:28:47

content. I've got so much work. I

1:28:49

also, you know, when you

1:28:51

chop your tits off, you can't. I

1:28:53

know, what would you do? Your arms

1:28:55

like drumming, I'd be fucking out for

1:28:57

a while. So I feel like I'd

1:28:59

have to strategically plan it out. Yeah.

1:29:03

But right now I'm, the

1:29:05

binders are working fine. My schedule's

1:29:07

too hectic to do it. And

1:29:09

it's like the body dysphoria of

1:29:11

it. doesn't

1:29:13

affect me too much that I like hate

1:29:15

myself when I look in the mirror.

1:29:17

Like I kind of still feel like myself,

1:29:20

even though I've got a set of

1:29:22

tits, but I know at some stage, I'll

1:29:24

probably want to go, chop them off.

1:29:26

Even the way you said that, it like

1:29:28

sounds like they're a foreign entity on

1:29:30

your body. I've got a set of tits.

1:29:32

Like they're like not yours, but they're

1:29:34

there. They come with me where I go.

1:29:37

Yeah, they come around. They

1:29:40

come around. They come around with me. Okay,

1:29:43

well, I feel like we talked

1:29:45

about so much. Did you have fun?

1:29:47

I had so much fun. Okay.

1:29:50

I'm like, we both should eat food.

1:29:52

We definitely food should be on

1:29:54

the priority list. Yeah. I always forget.

1:29:56

I think that is also just

1:29:58

an idea. It is especially in the

1:30:00

morning. It's just in the morning. and

1:30:02

then I get so hungry that I'm like,

1:30:04

whoa, did I eat it? And then I'm

1:30:06

like, no. I love cookies. Do

1:30:08

you? Yeah. Good. Did

1:30:10

you eat them in the morning? Because

1:30:12

I, if I have them left over from

1:30:14

the night before, you'll eat them. Do you like

1:30:16

cookies? Yeah, I love cookies. I had cookies

1:30:18

last night. From where? This

1:30:21

place called... Do you know Insomnia

1:30:23

Cookies? Yeah, of course. I love

1:30:25

Insomnia Cookies. Of course. The

1:30:27

place I got them from that was called

1:30:29

something about... What's your favorite food? Probably

1:30:32

pasta. I love pasta.

1:30:34

Yeah, I love pasta. I like

1:30:37

like vodka sauce. I love vodka

1:30:39

sauce. I love a spag bowl.

1:30:41

I love the tagliatelle. Mm -hmm.

1:30:43

What's wait? What's your favorite food? Just

1:30:46

pasta and cookies. I love

1:30:48

pasta and cookies and this

1:30:50

is why little kids love

1:30:52

you. They're like we're the

1:30:54

same. Yeah, pasta and cookies

1:30:57

and maybe a hmm No,

1:31:00

just passing cookies. Do

1:31:02

you feel like what do you what kind of questions

1:31:05

do you think you'd ask if you had your own podcast?

1:31:08

What do you like? That's your favorite

1:31:11

food. Yeah. Are you into cookies? If

1:31:14

I had a podcast, I don't

1:31:16

know. I've been asked

1:31:18

to do a podcast before

1:31:20

like agencies who put podcasts

1:31:22

together have kind of wanted

1:31:24

to poach me to do

1:31:26

one. I

1:31:28

just talk about shit. I think yeah,

1:31:30

I don't I think I'd get deep

1:31:32

on some levels But the other side

1:31:35

would just be really surface level funny weird

1:31:37

shit. Yeah, I think you would be

1:31:39

a great podcast host Yeah, it's just a

1:31:41

lot of effort. It's a lot of

1:31:43

talk. Are you tired? I'm a little tired.

1:31:45

Yeah, and you and then you edit

1:31:47

everything Yeah, but I love I love it

1:31:50

for the guest aspect of it because

1:31:52

you've had some cool people so cool like

1:31:54

I'm so stoked that you're here and

1:31:56

I think that For like I've been online

1:31:58

for so long and doing the YouTube