It's the summertime crunch for Emily, but she found time to talk to Sean anyway.

Emily has been teaching Hannah Arendt's "We Refugees", which is pretty timely. It's important to add personal testimony to facts in order to persuade people.

Which reminds Sean of Varlam Shalamov the Soviet author who was published after his death. Sean talks a little about his service in Iraq.

Then we pivot to Orwell. We hear it a lot these days and do we really know what it means? Totalitarianism does not belong to a political party, but should be avoided at all costs.

And this conversation brings up for Sean - why the outrage against Trump that he didn't feel about Bush?