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There was a recent social media trend which

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operator, 2024 has been

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a bumpy ride. For

1:55

the smooth operator, 2024

1:57

has been a bumpy ride.

2:00

was tested more than I've ever

2:02

been tested before. I was actually

2:04

hurt. I was hurt. Now when

2:06

I look back at it, I'm

2:08

almost like proud that it happened

2:11

because it made me a much

2:13

better driver and a much better

2:15

athlete in general. From

2:19

finding out he's leaving Ferrari

2:21

and fighting back from appendicitis

2:23

to multiple wins and finalizing

2:25

his future with Williams, Carlos

2:27

Sines has both suffered and

2:29

celebrated this season. How does

2:31

he really feel about being

2:33

replaced at Ferrari by Lewis

2:35

Hamilton? Can he understand the

2:37

team's decision? Is he leaving

2:40

on good terms? And could

2:42

he even return one day?

2:44

Here on F1 Beyond the

2:46

Grid with me, Tom Clarkson.

2:48

Carlos opens up about the

2:50

most challenging year of his

2:52

Formula One career so far.

2:54

And while he reflects fondly

2:56

on his Ferrari highlights, Carlos

2:58

is also looking forward to

3:00

his next challenge. I'll

3:02

miss the podium, I'll miss the

3:05

celebrations, but my target is to

3:07

get back to there. I'm going

3:09

to Williams to try and bring

3:11

Williams back to the possibility of

3:13

fighting for those volumes. Why has

3:15

he chosen Williams for 2025 and

3:18

beyond? Did he commit too soon?

3:20

Why wouldn't he fit in at

3:22

Red Bull? What's he expecting from

3:24

Alex Albon as a teammate? And

3:26

how will he cope fighting further

3:29

down the grid? Unfiltered and full

3:31

of confidence. Carlos is in fine

3:33

form. I hope you enjoy our

3:35

conversation. Carlos

3:40

great to see you how are you all good thank

3:42

you everything okay well is everything okay because we've just

3:44

got off the long flight from Las Vegas it's tiring

3:46

I'm certainly jet lagged how are you as good as

3:48

I can be I guess everyone at this stage of

3:50

the year is running a bit low on batteries I

3:52

think it's normal when they put you a back-to-back

3:54

Vegas, Qatar always going to get

3:57

going to get of the year

3:59

a bit tired, a bit tired but

4:01

but I've been dealing well

4:03

with jet this year. I've year.

4:05

been dealing well with my

4:07

energy levels towards the second

4:09

half of the season. season better compared

4:12

to last year. did a I did

4:14

a few changes on my training

4:16

plan and my season management get

4:18

to this end of the year

4:20

with a bit higher batteries and

4:22

they seem to be paying off. So

4:24

do we we have Luigi Delabona to to

4:26

thank for this, your new physio. physio?

4:28

Yeah, together Pierre Luigi and my trainer,

4:30

let's say a let's say coach back coach

4:32

back at home, put together a put together

4:34

a plan that it seems to

4:36

be working well and I'm glad

4:38

to say that that all those hours

4:40

of cycling and different diets, jet-like

4:42

management and different different training are paying

4:44

off. off. been been keeping

4:47

those guys busier than most

4:49

this year because I'm

4:51

thinking of the appendicitis in

4:53

Saudi Arabia. there was there's

4:55

obviously all the travel, there

4:57

was the crash in the

5:00

crash well. They've obviously got

5:02

some magic potions. potions. Yeah. I I

5:04

think on a good a good

5:06

team around you is the best

5:08

thing thing that a can do. can do because it's

5:10

not a the day -to -day basis where

5:12

you get to feel those things,

5:14

but it's mainly when something big big

5:16

when something out of the ordinary happens,

5:19

like the situation in in

5:21

In with appendicitis and the

5:23

situation with crashing back, that's

5:25

when you when you

5:27

realize. notice whether you have a good you have

5:29

a good team around you or not.

5:31

feel like this feel like this year I'm very

5:34

proud, very happy to the team I the

5:36

team I have paid off off in the key

5:38

moments of the year. Well, let's talk

5:40

about that key moment you mentioned. you mentioned. So

5:42

have an appendectomy in Saudi

5:44

Arabia. Arabia weeks

5:46

later You win in in Melbourne. tell

5:48

us now, us now how marginal What

5:50

it? What kind of physical shape

5:52

were you in? you in? to

5:54

give you an idea, an idea,

5:56

the days after the appendictomy, you

5:58

called it. it. seven straight

6:01

days in bed. bed I couldn't

6:03

brace, I couldn't use my core.

6:05

Every time I sneezed or every

6:07

time I coughed, I was crying

6:09

on pain because they open your

6:11

abdominal muscles and that every time

6:13

you contract them. time you really, really

6:15

hurts. it really, really seven days

6:17

for going to apart from chamber

6:19

and receiving some. chamber

6:22

and I wasn't moving from

6:24

my bed I wasn't moving from or

6:26

day nine or day nine. I I had

6:28

to catch a flight to Australia, but

6:30

I still I moved from a move was

6:32

catching a flight to Australia, a flight to

6:34

remember living like I remember leaving home still on telling

6:36

my telling my mom, here I go. go,

6:39

I don't, I'm going all the way

6:41

to Australia without even knowing if

6:43

I'm gonna be going to be racing. And then I tell

6:45

her tell her imagine if I win. And

6:47

if I win. laugh And we had

6:49

a laugh about it, like, try let's

6:51

try and race first and see if you

6:54

can actually win it. win it. And my mom was

6:56

mom was reminding me that after the

6:58

win, that I left home saying, imagine

7:00

if I actually win. win. And since then then,

7:02

I actually realized how life can change

7:04

so quickly, know? You go from not

7:06

even knowing if you're gonna race in

7:09

Australia catching a flight, catching a flight, flight,

7:11

to to suddenly, six days later winning in

7:13

Australia and I remember that was one of

7:15

the most powerful. of the most powerful

7:17

moments in in my life And so much

7:19

of driving one of these cars

7:21

is your call core. So how difficult was

7:23

it it you were in the car? car?

7:25

So I I remember on Wednesday before Before

7:27

jumping into the car. I went

7:29

to a circuit. I normally don't go

7:31

to circuits on on but in

7:33

Australia I did I did and I had a look

7:35

at my seat, had a look at my

7:37

my said, and said, action plan, I need to. I

7:40

need to these wounds because I still

7:42

had I very thick scars and and

7:44

was still having to take care

7:46

of them. care of them. I brought also

7:48

a special physio specializing in an indiva

7:50

machine that gives

7:52

you electromagnetic impulses

7:55

to recover the the wound

7:57

faster. I still went

7:59

to hyperburg. chambers in Australia to

8:01

try and recover faster. So I had a

8:03

plan just to make it happen. But on

8:05

Wednesday, I still thought, I don't think I'm

8:07

going to be able to race. At that

8:09

point, I call Alex Alborn. I said, look,

8:11

I know you had the appendicitis at some

8:13

stage a couple of years ago. What did

8:16

you do to your belts? Alex came, gave

8:18

me a hand, and showed me what he

8:20

did to his belts. What do you do?

8:22

Loosen them? No, you just protect the buckle,

8:24

the buckle of the belt, because that's exactly

8:26

where the wound is. So you just put

8:28

some form around it, so you are not

8:30

on the metal of the buckle. And he

8:33

helped me with that. I put some extra

8:35

form here and there. And then on Thursday

8:37

I went back to a track, tried it

8:39

again, I was starting to move a bit

8:41

better, but then I realized every time I

8:43

was jumping in and out of the car

8:45

I was very slow and I was very

8:47

scared of doing any strange movements and I

8:49

was just not feeling confident. When I jumped

8:52

in the car on Friday, my first three

8:54

laps, I've never drove so bad a formal

8:56

one car in my life because I just

8:58

didn't trust that I could brace. So I

9:00

had embraced for more than 10-11 days when

9:02

I mean brace, means contracting all your muscles

9:04

to hoard the G-force. and I remember going

9:06

into turn one on the first push lap

9:09

and not hitting the break hard because I

9:11

didn't want a brace for 5G that I

9:13

from one on one produces and I was

9:15

hitting the brakes 30 bar instead of 120

9:17

that I do normally know and it was

9:19

such a... Is that when we saw you

9:21

go across the grass or not? I think

9:23

so I think... And first thing I told

9:25

my team after the first one is I

9:28

need a softer brake pedal. I normally run

9:30

a very hard, very stiff brake pedal. I

9:32

say, can we change very quickly the pivot

9:34

of the pedal? First thing we did, change

9:36

the pedal for the race and I was

9:38

driving a much softer pedal because I couldn't

9:40

push it as hard. Then I had to

9:42

adapt to a softer pedal from FP1. Then

9:45

I started getting a bit confident and little

9:47

by little. I started pushing the limits. But

9:49

it was not a comfortable. a a

9:51

comfortable Friday, let's say,

9:53

let's a bit was bit of

9:55

the pace Sunday? How angry

9:57

was the wound on

9:59

Sunday night? on was

10:01

fine. It just got

10:04

better It day was Friday

10:06

by far day the

10:08

thing that I went

10:10

into Sunday into Sunday was, far

10:12

I've done I've done maybe

10:14

consecutive laps in one

10:16

day in one day. I don't know

10:18

how Sunday is to

10:21

by doing 50 something

10:23

consecutive laps and then

10:25

I also remember remember this

10:27

feeling of being a bit

10:29

more scared to more scared to crash.

10:31

Like normally in an F1 I ever thought

10:33

about about, scared of crashing. of crashing.

10:35

but I remember on Saturday and even

10:37

Sunday and this feeling like. having

10:39

I crash at if 40, 50 40,

10:42

that is an average Formula

10:44

1 crash. one How am I going to

10:46

I if I brace if I cannot fully,

10:48

fully fully fully, I hope that my

10:50

muscles that my care of it, you

10:52

know, and care when you know, and protect when

10:54

never had this feeling, but never

10:56

a comfortable feeling to have when

10:58

you drive on every one car.

11:00

Did you surprise yourself that weekend? car.

11:02

Did you surprise yourself that

11:04

weekend? Well, rather than me surprising

11:06

myself, the human body surprised me,

11:08

like how the human body. the can

11:11

go from within. within six

11:13

days from not moving. to to

11:15

actually driving a Formula 1 car and

11:18

how car and how you recover. I give

11:20

credit to my team for

11:22

giving me me advice of. what to

11:24

do to recover faster. faster. I give credit,

11:26

obviously, to myself to put

11:28

in all that put in all that But in,

11:30

human body body truly me

11:32

that week, and I and I said, yeah,

11:34

is, is an an interesting case

11:36

because I went through everything to

11:38

suddenly actually perform at a

11:41

high level on that Sunday. I

11:43

wonder if he found inner

11:45

confidence that that weekend. me

11:47

out me out I felt felt

11:49

Melbourne summed up It for you.

11:51

It was the moment that

11:53

you became this unstoppable force

11:55

of no amount of adversity

11:57

was gonna stop you that

11:59

weekend. and fast forward races. China

12:02

you have a you have a crash

12:04

in a big one quite a big

12:06

one, but you get back out

12:08

in Q3 qualify within a hundredth of

12:10

your teammate Charlotte Claire I don't just the

12:12

was there's just this inner

12:15

it. I feel that it's that through

12:17

ever since. Do you see that?

12:19

that or I just? just overthinking it? I think

12:21

I think it's a good point. I

12:23

I think sure life tests you you. I

12:25

And I think at the beginning

12:27

of the year of of the year of 2024

12:29

I I was tested more than I've

12:31

ever been tested before. before. And life

12:34

life put me in a situation that

12:36

was not comfortable at all. at all. I

12:38

was was told think it was I think it

12:40

was the end of January, beginning of February that I

12:42

was not going to continue with a team that I

12:44

was with team sure I was

12:46

going to continue going into that winter. going

12:49

was a massive shock to a massive

12:51

shock to my... to my hopes and to my

12:53

whole system system and I

12:55

didn't enjoy enjoy that moment. I still

12:57

trained I I still and

13:00

I for that for that season

13:02

obviously to be be ready to

13:04

win races, win a

13:06

championship, opportunity presented itself. and I went And

13:08

I went into year still full of energy,

13:10

but obviously with this. with this uncomfortable

13:13

and an uncomfortable moment,

13:15

no? moment no. I I still did that podium

13:18

in I said, I said, okay, now I get

13:20

the season get the season going. I

13:22

had a really good first race sometimes

13:24

I remember struggling a bit in Bahrain a

13:26

this year I did a really good

13:28

Bahrain and I said, think I'm quite

13:30

strong this year strong I can get

13:32

this can going. Then you arrive to Saudi

13:34

to Saudi and you have the appendix to whatever you call

13:36

it. you call it. And that was a massive

13:39

blow because now I'm gonna miss a

13:41

race. miss a Am I gonna even miss

13:43

two races? Am I I going to come come

13:45

back to the I I was Is it

13:47

it gonna take me time? time? You

13:49

go through this process of doubt, of

13:51

self then you go and then to go

13:53

back to Australia and you win, And

13:55

and then you have have in China

13:58

and you recover. All things that that helped.

14:00

a lot of my of my confidence

14:02

to me to me that you you a

14:04

target in your head your head and you

14:06

are 100% committed to proving to

14:08

yourself more than anyone what you're

14:10

worth. you're worth, the mind is

14:13

very powerful to overcome this. this

14:15

and I I truly enjoyed that first

14:17

half of the season season things. all those things.

14:19

has always said that a driver

14:21

is at his peak. is at at

14:23

the age of the age You are You are 30. Do

14:25

you Do you feel at the peak of your powers? I

14:28

I don't know. I I think there's something

14:30

around the age of sure sure that

14:32

you achieve a level of maturity, speed

14:34

and experience that for sure is at

14:37

a good level. think some drivers will

14:39

achieve it at 26, it others at 32.

14:41

32. But But if you want to do

14:43

an average, an 30 sounds like a

14:45

good number. a good number. I I think anyway, that

14:47

average, no disrespect to Sir to Sir

14:49

but of course, but keeps

14:52

lowering every year we we see

14:54

younger and younger and younger

14:56

be more being more prepared earlier,

14:58

which means you're picking earlier.

15:00

no? But I think think that can

15:02

last longer because the way we the way

15:04

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15:06

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17:45

talked a moment ago about the

17:47

news Lewis Hamilton was going to

17:49

replace to replace you we talk

17:52

about Can we talk about the emotional that

17:54

you've been on you've that that news

17:56

the beginning of January? beginning of

17:58

January? Yeah, I think. think I said

18:01

it on the radio in Australia.

18:03

I know this life is such

18:05

a roller coaster. I remember being

18:07

very emotional on that Australia Grand

18:09

Prix podium because there was my

18:11

dad there, there was obviously my

18:13

manager, my girlfriend, everyone who's been

18:15

next to me, I was obviously

18:17

thinking about my mom and they've

18:19

all seen me suffer during the

18:21

winter. And when I say suffer,

18:23

I don't mean I was crying

18:25

behind closed doors, but I was

18:27

actually... heard, I was heard, because

18:29

I didn't expect it. I wasn't prepared

18:31

for that kind of news and yeah,

18:33

I was a bit in a shock

18:36

for a while and then I regroup

18:38

and got training again, but yeah, I

18:40

remember after that win, in Australia, thinking

18:42

about how lucky I am to all

18:45

the people that I have around me,

18:47

supporting me and giving me that inner

18:49

strength, you know, to overcome what it

18:51

was at the time, a tough moment

18:54

that now when I look back at

18:56

it, that now when I look back

18:58

at it, I'm almost like happy, proud

19:00

that it happened because it made me

19:03

a much better driver and a much

19:05

better athlete in general. You talk about

19:07

the shock of that news, was there

19:09

ever anger? For sure, and I could

19:12

sit here and say no, I wasn't

19:14

angry with anyone, but at the time

19:16

when they give you these news, you're

19:18

angry, you don't understand it, you... Yeah,

19:21

you curse, you don't understand anything that has happened

19:24

to you and obviously you think everything in your

19:26

life is terrible and you don't understand, but

19:28

then time cures everything and you start to accept

19:30

certain things and you try to see everything with

19:32

a lot more of a relative mind, no, and

19:35

and you start to comprehend and to just adapt

19:37

and forgive and forget, you know, and get

19:39

on with life. Just get on with it. I

19:41

remember keep, I kept telling myself, just get on

19:43

with it and just do your thing. And yeah,

19:46

it is something that you need to see more

19:48

relative as time going. Forgive, forget, do you

19:50

now understand as well? 100% and I think understand

19:52

I understood it almost right from the beginning. I

19:54

think if it would have been someone else I

19:57

would have taken a lot more longer to understand

19:59

but when you understand Lewis Hamilton the seven-time

20:01

world champion and one of the best if not

20:03

the best in history is going to replace you

20:05

as Ferrari and Lewis has decided to do his

20:08

last part of his career in Ferrari and You

20:10

need to be one of the two drivers

20:12

sacrificed for that to happen. I understand. I also

20:14

understand. It was never going to be Charles. Charles

20:16

has been the project of Ferrari ever since he's

20:19

been a junior driver. He's been the center of

20:21

the project for many years. I arrived to

20:23

Ferrari more as a substitute of battle, almost a

20:25

bit of not by chance, but obviously earning my

20:27

place, but circumstantial rather than shells that has been

20:30

there forever. So I I understood I had to

20:32

be in a way the one being replaced

20:34

and I understood it from the beginning. I just

20:36

obviously didn't agree so much at the time, but

20:38

hey, you know, you end up agreeing and you

20:41

end up getting on with it. Are you leaving

20:43

on good terms? Yeah, 100%. Even with Fred,

20:45

with John Elcan, with everyone involved obviously in that

20:47

decision. Obviously I call them, they call me, I

20:49

express my feelings about it. Did you tell them

20:52

what you really thought? Yeah, of course. In that

20:54

things, I've never backed off. You know, I've

20:56

always said, this is what I think, the same

20:58

way that I told them I understood it, then

21:00

I explained, obviously, my feelings. I'm not going to

21:03

tell you here what I said. Probably that's something

21:05

I'm never going to say, but I told

21:07

them what I thought and moved on and promised

21:09

them that I was going to give my absolute

21:11

best for Ferrari even, even though all this has

21:14

happened in the last year. what I've

21:16

been focusing on doing

21:18

ever since. Gerhard Berger,

21:20

LeFerrari, went back. Kimmy Reichen

21:22

and LeFerrari went back.

21:25

Could you see a time

21:27

that Carlos Sainz goes

21:29

back? Yeah, why not? I

21:31

don't see why not

21:34

at the same time. I

21:36

cannot see it happening

21:38

anytime soon for the

21:40

moment. But yeah, life is

21:43

long. I'm 30, as

21:45

you say. You see drivers

21:47

at 42 in Formula

21:49

One. So if I

21:51

am in Formula One for

21:54

as long as that,

21:56

who tells you that in

21:58

these next 10 years,

22:00

Ferrari might need my

22:02

services again in the future?

22:05

This doesn't mean I

22:07

wish for it to happen

22:09

or I'm looking forward

22:11

to it or anything

22:13

like that. I have a

22:16

very big target in

22:18

my head now, which is

22:20

help Williams to bring

22:22

them back to the

22:24

front of the field. But

22:27

yeah, I don't think

22:29

about it too much. We'll

22:31

come to Williams in

22:33

a minute, but Abu

22:35

Dhabi is gonna be your

22:38

88th race for Ferrari.

22:40

Can you just give us

22:42

some words on how

22:44

you feel these four

22:46

years have gone? I think

22:49

it's been four years

22:51

where if you would have

22:53

told me four years

22:55

ago, I would be

22:57

living Ferrari, achieving my first

23:00

wins, the way those

23:02

wins came, 20 -something podiums.

23:04

I think I would

23:06

have taken it. I said

23:08

before arriving to Ferrari

23:11

that my target was to

23:13

become world champion. We

23:15

still have a target

23:17

that we might achieve it,

23:19

which is the constructors

23:22

championship that would be a

23:24

huge thing before I

23:26

leave. So I cannot

23:28

be 100 % happy with

23:30

the way things have gone

23:33

because in those four

23:35

years, I would have loved

23:37

to fight for a

23:39

world championship, become world

23:41

champion. But hey, look, I'm

23:44

living with my first

23:46

wins in Formula One, my

23:48

first 20 -something podiums

23:50

and I cannot complain. I've

23:52

been a Ferrari driver

23:55

for four years. I've enjoyed

23:57

every single moment of

23:59

it. I've always feel...

24:01

loved by the Tifossi. I've I've

24:03

enjoyed every single in Maranello, in Fiorano,

24:06

traveling the world with wearing

24:08

my Ferrari polo, you you know have

24:10

no I have no regrets

24:12

quite proud quite proud How different How

24:14

different is the Ferrari experience to that

24:17

of any other team? It's

24:19

a very special experience. It's It's

24:21

something if I sit here and here

24:23

to explain it to you, I don't

24:25

think I can. don't I'm not very

24:27

good at explaining myself or explaining my

24:29

feelings, or explaining my feelings, can tell you

24:31

is something very different to ever

24:33

to ever that I felt before. before. And

24:35

I've enjoyed every single moment

24:37

of it. Sometimes tough. it's things

24:39

about being a Ferrari driver

24:41

that a also tough is I'm

24:43

not going to lie. not going

24:45

lie. It's not everything and and perfect. I'm I'm

24:48

struggling to see what's bad about

24:50

being a Ferrari driver. I'm going to

24:52

focus on the positives, which which is

24:54

every Grand a kind of a home Grand Prix.

24:57

Grand Everywhere you go, you go,

24:59

there is Foci you have the

25:01

most supporters out of any

25:03

other out of any other place or any other

25:05

other team. maybe maybe when

25:07

we go to Sunboard, There's definitely more

25:09

there there than Ferrari fans. I I

25:11

think anywhere else in the world, it

25:13

is very special knowing that everyone

25:16

in the Grand Sun is of a of

25:18

a Ferrari fan and wishes well

25:20

for Ferrari. On the tough the tough side,

25:22

we can sit here and obviously do

25:24

a different podcast one time and

25:26

I can maybe explain to you what

25:29

is tough about being a Ferrari

25:31

driver. but I don't want this want this

25:33

interview to be Okay, let's celebrate the wins,

25:35

which has been the best one. one. It's

25:37

very tough very tough

25:39

choose. to explain you why. And

25:42

I'm gonna explain you why. first one. The first

25:44

is your first one, the first one.

25:47

It's the first one. It's incredibly special

25:49

and that you you will never forget. Singapore,

25:52

you can you can understand

25:54

why Singapore was was first

25:56

first. best you think is

25:58

the best the best? Okay, perfect. just

26:00

talked about Australia. I can tell

26:02

you why Australia was special and

26:05

why it was emotional because of

26:07

everything that happened in January. The

26:09

way I recovered from appendicitis and

26:11

culminating with the win. But then

26:14

you have Mexico. yesterday was bitter

26:16

sweet because it gave him the

26:18

feeling that Ferrari might be in

26:20

a fight for a world championship

26:23

and he won't be there to

26:25

use it. That realization ignited a

26:27

fire today. Carlos Sines wins! The

26:29

Mexico City Grand Prix! A fine

26:32

way to take a fourth career

26:34

victory! Oh, and this feels good.

26:36

Good stuff, I don't know. Good

26:38

ideas, Michael. and

26:42

Mexico might be my last win

26:44

for Ferrari and the way I

26:46

achieved it by putting myself under

26:48

pressure that we can knowing that

26:50

might be my last opportunity and

26:52

I told myself this is going

26:54

to be or this might be

26:56

your one of your last opportunities

26:58

and putting myself under pressure that

27:00

we can and managing to execute

27:02

a perfect quality, perfect race in

27:04

front of my parents that came

27:07

to see me that we can

27:09

in front of my best friend's

27:11

girlfriend and people that came to

27:13

see me. I felt really proud

27:15

of saying I managed to put

27:17

myself under this amount of pressure

27:19

and still deliver and get it

27:21

done. and overtake Max Vastapin. Yeah,

27:23

yeah, the overtake for sure was

27:25

cool, but it was more the

27:27

way I executed the whole weekend

27:29

putting myself under that self-pressure of

27:31

this might be your last one.

27:33

Another big moment for you, at

27:35

least from the outside, seemed to

27:38

be Monza 23. You didn't win

27:40

that one, but you did keep

27:42

Max in a faster car behind

27:44

you for I think 14 laps?

27:46

Yeah, it's good to watch. I

27:48

actually feel almost more happy about

27:50

the pole position on Saturday than

27:52

by keeping Max behind. I think

27:54

the pole position in months has

27:56

a our driver is something very

27:58

special. Also because I love Monza

28:00

as a truck and I love,

28:02

I've always been quick there. And

28:04

keeping Max behind knowing he was

28:06

anyway gonna pass me because Red

28:09

Bull that year were unstoppable. Boy,

28:11

they were not. I beat them

28:13

in Singapore. I'm joking. What happens

28:15

when you take pole at Monza?

28:17

I mean, obviously you don't pay

28:19

for dinner that night and probably

28:21

many offers of marriage as well.

28:23

I don't know, just does your

28:25

life go completely mad when you

28:27

do something like that? Yeah, I've

28:29

always dreamed about that moment, and

28:31

obviously I cannot imagine how Charles

28:33

feels about winning, knowing Monza, because

28:35

if I felt good being on

28:37

the podium in months and making

28:40

that position, winning must be something

28:42

else. But I don't know, it

28:44

was just a cool weekend. I

28:46

remember people shouting my name in

28:48

the podium is something I'm never

28:50

going to forget. It's a typical

28:52

story that when I'm 70 years

28:54

old, and I have grandsons, I,

28:56

is the typical weekend, thing that

28:58

I'll remember all my life and

29:00

I'll be telling them about your

29:02

granddad did that you know and

29:04

you say they will have listened

29:06

to this they'll be all over

29:08

it. I think so but that's

29:11

something really cool you know that's

29:13

the kind of thing I think

29:15

will as a driver that's the

29:17

kind of thing you remember and

29:19

all those special weekends those different

29:21

things that you've managed to do.

29:23

You mentioned Charles name there I

29:25

did want to ask you about

29:27

the relationship with him you seem

29:29

to have rubbed along pretty well

29:31

it's not quite Carlando though would

29:33

you would you would you agree?

29:35

Would you agree? Would you agree?

29:37

Would you agree? Would you I

29:39

think it's different. I think Carlando

29:42

never fought for wins and never

29:44

fought for volumes and Carlando was

29:46

not in a Ferrari atmosphere. It

29:48

was in a McLaren atmosphere which

29:50

is relatively different. With Charles I

29:52

can tell you outside of the

29:54

truck we get on genuinely really

29:56

well and we have a lot

29:58

of fun really good conversations. We

30:00

talked about how I think any

30:02

subject you can ever imagine by

30:04

now with all the time we

30:06

spend away from the track together

30:08

on track. We've had our differences.

30:10

had our rivalries, we've had our

30:13

great weekends, our tougher weekends, we've

30:15

always managed to keep it clean

30:17

between us and we've always managed

30:19

to keep the car without any

30:21

scratch from the other Ferrari car,

30:23

you know, and for two drivers

30:25

that for four years in a

30:27

row every single week and have

30:29

shared the same piece of tarmac

30:31

because we've always qualified within a

30:33

tenth of each other. We've always

30:35

done every start within a position

30:37

or two from each other with

30:39

every pit stop, every single lap

30:41

close to each other for four

30:44

years in a row to manage

30:46

to keep it as clean as

30:48

we've kept it and as relatively

30:50

easy going as we've kept it.

30:52

I think there's a merit to

30:54

that because it's not easy. We're

30:56

both very competitive. We are both

30:58

rivals and Yeah, for years. It's

31:00

a lot of races. I'm calculating

31:02

more or less almost 100 races

31:04

sharing the same piece of tarmac

31:06

and it's not easy. I don't

31:08

think as many drivers have gone

31:10

for so long, so close to

31:12

each other without any issues. It

31:15

seems very intense between you. Just

31:17

think back to the sprint race

31:19

in China, I'm thinking of Austin,

31:21

I'm even thinking of Las Vegas

31:23

last weekend actually. I mean, have

31:25

you guys moved on from that

31:27

one? Okay. Yes, and we will.

31:29

And we will move on. We

31:31

always have, and we will always

31:33

put our differences aside for the

31:35

benefit of Ferrari, and because there's

31:37

something bigger than each other that

31:39

is Ferrari, you know, it's always

31:41

been tough. I know I've sometimes

31:43

done things wrong and he's apologized.

31:46

We always find kind of a

31:48

middle ground to move on. And

31:50

yeah, I think radios don't help,

31:52

makes things bigger than what it

31:54

looks then when we go back

31:56

and we sit down with each

31:58

other and we, let's say, together

32:01

what has happened because the radio

32:03

is very intense, the radio is

32:05

something that from home and for

32:07

the media is very sassy, you

32:09

know, you get all the intensity

32:11

of the driver, of the how

32:13

Sorry for the weather, how pissed

32:15

off we are at the time

32:17

and how angry we are, but

32:19

then once that level of adrenaline

32:21

comes down and when we are

32:23

behind closed doors, things are a

32:25

lot less heated than what you

32:27

guys can imagine and we managed

32:29

to put things aside and move

32:31

on. Do you understand why Scholl

32:33

was so upset after Vegas? I'm

32:35

thinking of his radio message on

32:37

the slowdown lap. I understand the

32:39

level of anger. I've been as

32:41

angry as that many many times

32:43

before and I can assure you

32:45

I've also been in that position.

32:47

I just try not to vocalize

32:49

it as much in the radio

32:51

and it's something that we've both

32:53

really put it as a target

32:55

to say Look, I know many

32:57

times you just hate me, you

32:59

know, and many times I just,

33:02

and we laugh about it. There's

33:04

times that I, you hate me,

33:06

there's times that I hate you,

33:08

but we need to move on

33:10

from that. And let's try and

33:12

not use the radio. I think,

33:14

obviously Charles in that sense, in

33:16

Las Vegas, couldn't control himself so

33:18

much, but at the same time,

33:20

I understand it. I am able

33:22

to also move on from that.

33:24

I'm not going to complain. look

33:26

back at the four years with

33:28

Charles and I'm going to have

33:30

a good memory and I'm going

33:32

to look back and I'm going

33:34

to say he was a tough

33:36

competitor, sometimes very vocal in the

33:38

radio, but very tough competitor that

33:40

I enjoyed every single battle with

33:42

him and I enjoyed being his

33:44

teammate. incredibly happy to have shared

33:46

those four years with him because

33:48

I've become a better driver thanks

33:50

to him. He's become probably a

33:52

better driver thanks to me. And

33:54

we're just, yeah, we had a

33:56

lot of fun together and we

33:58

had tough fears competition but always

34:00

clean and always the limits that

34:02

a team would like to have.

34:05

Last question on Ferrari and it's

34:07

a bit of a segue into

34:09

Williams as well is something James

34:11

Val's team principal of Williams told

34:13

me is that you have improved

34:15

every team you've raced for in

34:17

Formula One. How do you think

34:19

you've helped improve Ferrari? Yeah, I

34:21

think that is obviously a very

34:23

nice comment from games and I

34:25

appreciate that team principals are able

34:27

to see also a bit further

34:29

down just the peer results, you

34:31

know, and they can also spot

34:33

trends and spot these kind of

34:35

details, you know, because it's something

34:37

that I enjoy, is something that

34:39

I put a lot of effort

34:41

into in my career. which is

34:43

always try and help the team

34:45

to become better and to be

34:47

a better team and become faster.

34:49

Not only just serve as a

34:51

tool for the team to just

34:53

drive fast the car that they

34:55

produce, I also like developing that

34:57

car, I also like spending extra

34:59

time with my engineers and with

35:01

the engineers in general of the

35:03

team, extra time with the mechanics

35:05

and that's why. When I went

35:08

to Ferrari, I moved to Maranello

35:10

because I set myself as a

35:12

target. I'm going to help Ferrari,

35:14

the biggest thing in the world,

35:16

to try and become world champions

35:18

again. And I, with my skill

35:20

set and with my feedback and

35:22

with my tools, I'm going to

35:24

try and be the one that

35:26

helps Ferrari to come back to

35:28

the top, you know. It's something

35:30

I enjoy. I intrinsically get himself

35:32

involved in all these conversations because

35:34

I enjoy it and I try

35:36

to do the best I can

35:38

to give the best possible feedback

35:40

and the best possible directions. Are

35:42

we talking operationally? Are we talking

35:44

technically or is it across every

35:46

aspect of performance? I think it's

35:48

every aspect. I think there's things

35:50

that a driver can have more

35:52

effect than others. Obviously, performance with

35:54

setup work and understanding of the

35:56

setup and the feeling of testing

35:58

things to then... the team this

36:00

works this doesn't work this we

36:02

should push more in this direction

36:04

this is definitely not the right

36:06

direction things like that operationally also

36:08

a bit less because I am

36:11

not that in principle I'm not

36:13

someone that can manage a team

36:15

I don't have the skill set

36:17

at least not yet at this

36:19

age but I can say operationally

36:21

how, doesn't matter if it's strategy,

36:23

pit stops or whatever, I can

36:25

give some advice or give an

36:27

opinion of how I think or

36:29

how I feel we're doing things.

36:31

That's where I obviously don't get

36:33

too much into it because I

36:35

don't want to be too much

36:37

in a way and I obviously

36:39

I'm not a manager, as I

36:41

said, I'm just a racing driver,

36:43

but that's also something that I

36:45

enjoy and that's something that I

36:47

will always give feedback about. keeping

36:49

things calm on the pit wall

36:51

do you feel you've had an

36:53

influence on that? I don't

36:55

know, I think Ferrari honestly in

36:58

that sense and also Fred have

37:00

done a very good job at

37:02

improving that side of things and

37:04

I think this year proves also

37:06

how much that department strategy group

37:08

and race management has improved. Don't

37:10

get me wrong, a better race

37:13

day car also helps but I

37:15

think in that sense Ferrari has

37:17

done massive step forwards recently. Vegas

37:19

was not our best example about

37:21

it for sure but everyone can

37:23

have enough day and we all

37:25

had enough day in Vegas but

37:28

if you get the average of

37:30

the 2024 system the progress that

37:32

Ferrari has shown in that sense

37:34

is huge and and I think

37:36

it's just down to everyone involved

37:38

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let's throw it forward now. Is

38:48

everything after Ferrari going to feel

38:50

a bit of a step down?

38:52

No, 100% no. I still be

38:54

a formal one driver, enjoying my

38:56

life. There will be positives, there

38:58

will be other negatives, but you

39:00

need to remember that what I

39:03

enjoy is putting on a helmet

39:05

and driving a formal one car.

39:07

Doesn't matter the color. I just

39:09

enjoy driving. I enjoy the competition,

39:11

I enjoy challenging myself, and especially

39:13

more than anything, I enjoy living

39:15

a weekend, thinking there is nothing

39:17

else I could have done to

39:19

make that car faster than what

39:21

I did, and to drive as

39:24

fast as I did, because I

39:26

think I managed to execute the

39:28

maximum out of the package. And

39:30

that's what I will be trying

39:32

to do, weakening, weekend out next

39:34

year. And you can get that

39:36

same sense of satisfaction battling for

39:38

Pete, I mean Alex Elbourn didn't

39:40

get out of Q1 in Vegas.

39:42

You think you can get that

39:44

same sense of satisfaction back there?

39:47

I think that you do at

39:49

the front? I think inside of

39:51

yourself, yes. Then for sure, I'll

39:53

miss the podiums. I'll miss being

39:55

on a headline because I've won.

39:57

because I've been on a pole

39:59

or because whatever. But my target

40:01

is to get back to there.

40:03

I'm not going to Williams just

40:05

to extract the maximum out of

40:08

the car. I'm going to Williams

40:10

to try and bring Williams back

40:12

to the possibility of fighting for

40:14

those volumes. and for the possibility

40:16

of fighting for those things that

40:18

also fulfill me. And I am

40:20

a driver that I think is

40:22

going to enjoy that process because

40:24

I enjoy trying to help, trying

40:26

to get involved in just making

40:29

everything work better. So I'm just

40:31

looking forward to it. A lot

40:33

more than what people back at

40:35

home might be thinking. Like I

40:37

am so happy and so motivated

40:39

about that possibility happen. that I

40:41

don't think people can imagine how

40:43

actually excited I am about it.

40:45

Tell us about the decision-making process

40:47

because throughout the summer you were

40:50

the most wanted man who was

40:52

available on the grid. Alpine wanted

40:54

you. Lots of people actually wanted

40:56

you. Why Williams? I remember having

40:58

a very tough time, let's say

41:00

during those months, because I had

41:02

to decide about my future and

41:04

it was not easy. I had,

41:06

as you said, plenty of options,

41:08

plenty of possibilities, trying to find

41:11

out who was going to be

41:13

the fastest team in 25 and

41:15

26. who was going to deliver

41:17

more down force, deliver more power

41:19

for the 26 generation of cars.

41:21

And I was trying to do

41:23

all my questions about to every

41:25

team and to every technical director,

41:27

team principal, asking those questions. And

41:29

then suddenly, Just before the summer

41:32

break, I realized this is not

41:34

going to be what makes or

41:36

breaks my decision making. I think

41:38

what's going to make or break

41:40

my decision making is the people,

41:42

is the people in the team.

41:44

And I remember thinking in JV,

41:46

James Vowels, and his team have

41:48

shown me. incredible level of commitment

41:50

towards me and they've showed me

41:53

a project and a vision of

41:55

the future that has convinced me

41:57

and I'm gonna trust the people

41:59

I'm gonna trust the people that

42:01

I'm joining rather than the downforce

42:03

the the things that I've said

42:05

before. No, and I'm going to

42:07

follow that instinct. And my instinct

42:09

at the time told me JV

42:11

and his team have produced a

42:14

project that I was really excited

42:16

about, and I was just going

42:18

to trust that instinct, because I

42:20

remember leaving McLaren in 2020, feeling

42:22

these people and Rastela, Saq Brown,

42:24

and Company, these people are world

42:26

champion material. Like, I felt McLaren

42:28

was one day going to be

42:30

world champion. back again with those

42:32

key members. Then suddenly I realized

42:35

20-24 McLaren is the fastest team

42:37

on the grid for a few

42:39

races. So my instinct was right

42:41

when I left McLaren. So I

42:43

said, I'm just going to follow

42:45

my instinct and say JV and

42:47

his team. Did you get the

42:49

heads up about Hamilton? Because James

42:51

has told us on this podcast

42:53

that your first meeting with him

42:56

was Abu Dhabi last year. That

42:58

was before Lewis had pulled the

43:00

trigger and announced that he was

43:02

leaving, was going to Ferrari, sorry.

43:04

I'm going to be extremely honest

43:06

with you when I talk to

43:08

Jabi in Abu Dhabi, when my

43:10

management team says, James, thanks for

43:12

your interest, but 90% that we're

43:14

going to renew our contract with

43:17

Ferrari, but we will let you

43:19

know what happens in... during these

43:21

next months. That was my answer.

43:23

And thanks for your interest, great,

43:25

but at the moment it looks

43:27

like we're just gonna, at least

43:29

that's what we're receiving feedback from

43:31

Ferrari, that it's almost a done

43:33

deal. That's how shocking it was

43:35

then what happened. How long do

43:38

you give Williams? Because James Valz

43:40

has also said that the facilities

43:42

in Grove are 20 years behind

43:44

those at Mercedes. Yeah. That's not

43:46

a quick fix. And almost, I

43:48

wouldn't say I don't. but I've

43:50

seen what they've shown me and

43:52

I'm a hundred percent convinced James

43:54

and Hifstein are doing every necessary

43:56

work to put together a plan

43:59

and an infrastructure that is capable

44:01

of being at the top again

44:03

in Formula One. So yeah I

44:05

know that right now that place

44:07

is not up to the standards

44:09

like it's Maranello but they have

44:11

everything in plan to get it

44:13

to work. How long do I

44:15

give them? I don't know. How

44:17

long do they give me to

44:20

help them? I don't know. It's

44:22

a relative question again. I'm only

44:24

worried about the more immediate future

44:26

and how much progress we're going

44:28

to make during 25 and during

44:30

26. This is what I care

44:32

mostly about and to see the

44:34

trend and the tendency because that's

44:36

the momentum that we need to

44:38

start building from next year onwards.

44:40

I get the potential at Williams,

44:43

but do you think you committed

44:45

too soon? In that, with Czech

44:47

Perez's troubles at Red Bull, there

44:49

might be an option there now

44:51

if you were still available. Was

44:53

there ever an option for a

44:55

one-year deal at Mercedes? I think

44:57

if anything, a lot of people

44:59

in the paddock would think I

45:01

took too long. Especially a lot

45:04

of my fellow drivers thought I

45:06

was taking too long to decide,

45:08

no. I don't think I fit

45:10

into the Red Bull situation. They

45:12

had me available for six months

45:14

and they didn't pick me. But

45:16

at that time, Cheko was still

45:18

doing a decent job. He was

45:20

finishing on the podium in the

45:22

early races of the year. No,

45:25

it was a lot later. It

45:27

was until the summer break and

45:29

Red Bull had me available four

45:31

or six months and they didn't

45:33

pick me. And I think it's

45:35

because I simply don't fit into

45:37

the type of driver that they

45:39

need right now in Red Bull.

45:41

And I'm completely fine with that.

45:43

If anything, they're making me a

45:46

favor. So I don't see myself

45:48

as a, what did you say?

45:50

Like a lost opportunity. not wait

45:52

to December. That's not how the

45:54

Formula One market works. If I

45:56

would have done that, I might

45:58

have even been without a contract,

46:00

a Formula One contract for 25,

46:02

if I keep up in Williams

46:04

or Audi waiting until this late.

46:07

I also have obviously an ego

46:09

and I'm going to go with

46:11

the people that they really want

46:13

me and James I cannot explain

46:15

to you how much I felt

46:17

wanted and how much I felt

46:19

pushed to join them and they

46:21

did an incredible job also in

46:23

convincing me because yeah it is

46:25

a project that as I said

46:28

before I just look forward to

46:30

it. James has actually described trying

46:32

to sign you as a courtship.

46:34

He said we would be going

46:36

out to dinner and... Who was

46:38

going to make the first move?

46:40

Yeah, maybe he wouldn't be too

46:42

far with that comment, but no.

46:44

He just did a good job

46:46

in that sense. So the investment

46:49

group, or the people that I've

46:51

met from the group gave me

46:53

a great level of trust, you

46:55

know, and... As I said, if

46:57

the other few other top teams

46:59

that were available at the time,

47:01

I would have fit the project

47:03

that they were thinking, they would

47:05

have, they had six months to

47:07

decide and they didn't. Do you

47:10

like the fact that Williams are

47:12

a bunch of races with a

47:14

capital lower? Even James does a

47:16

bit of racing himself. James Matthews,

47:18

who's one of the board members

47:20

there, did a lot of racing

47:22

in the UK before he went

47:24

on to do other things. Does

47:26

that appeal to you that it's

47:28

a proper racing team? 100% This

47:31

was also part of all the

47:33

mix of things that helped me

47:35

do that decision. let's see the

47:37

last time that I was in

47:39

a team of pure races that

47:41

was I think not this respect

47:43

over to Ferraris also a team

47:45

of races but McLaren had a

47:47

bit that similar vibe if you

47:49

want to. With Zag and Andrea

47:52

Stella Sadle at the time and

47:54

had that similar kind of vibe

47:56

and I think I thrive knowing

47:58

that kind of environment in McLaren

48:00

so I saw myself going to

48:02

Williams thinking it's an environment where

48:04

I think I can show the

48:06

first version of myself that this

48:08

is my target for the future.

48:10

And what about Alex Albon? He's

48:13

obviously given you good doctor's advice

48:15

earlier in the year but do

48:17

you rate him as a racing

48:19

driver? I don't only rating up

48:21

racing driver as a really good

48:23

racing driver but also as a

48:25

great human I think if you

48:27

ask the other 19 drivers in

48:29

the grid who do you think

48:31

is one of the genuine good

48:34

guys in the grid I think

48:36

they would all say Alex I've

48:38

never been teammates with Alex. I've

48:40

never seen his data, but I've

48:42

always asked Lando, Charles or George,

48:44

that are, have raised with Alex,

48:46

and they all say people don't

48:48

know how fast Alex is. Everyone

48:50

is like telling me he's genuinely

48:52

a really, really good. driver, like

48:55

super talented and super fast. They

48:57

fall race against him, me, I

48:59

think only one year of carting,

49:01

but I don't remember much. And

49:03

yeah, I think I'm, it's a

49:05

good cocktail of things, not just

49:07

a good human being and a

49:09

great racing driver that I'm looking

49:11

forward to work with. just work

49:13

together. I think Williams, what Williams

49:16

needs right now is two guys

49:18

like Alex and me pushing flat

49:20

out to make that process and

49:22

make that journey as short as

49:24

possible to bring Williams back to

49:26

where they deserve to be. James

49:28

thinks he's got the best driver

49:30

line up on the grid next

49:32

year. I think it's a great

49:34

statement by James. I wouldn't obviously

49:36

disrespect their Charles and Lewis as

49:39

a teammate. But yeah, apart from

49:41

them, I think Williams has always

49:43

lived unbiased, but a very strong

49:45

lineup. Well Carlos, it's been wonderful

49:47

to chat. I did just want

49:49

to end this going back to

49:51

Ferrari because we've got a guest

49:53

who's going to join us now.

49:55

I wonder if Ricardo could come

49:57

in. Oh my God. Regarda Dami

50:00

Rickey. And B1, baby,

50:03

B1. Oh! Oh, Rickey!

50:05

What a mega job

50:07

you did there. What

50:09

a smart race. Because

50:12

it's my first. Smooth

50:14

operation in Ferrari! Smooth,

50:16

radar! This is

50:19

a surprise. So we have special

50:21

guests joining us now, Ricardo Adame,

50:23

race engineer, done all the races

50:25

with you Carlos, hasn't he? How

50:27

would you describe your relationship with

50:30

each other? Ricky is exactly the

50:32

guy that I needed when I

50:34

arrived to Ferrari. A guy that

50:36

knew the team inside out. He

50:38

had been many years in Ferrari

50:41

at the time. I remember going

50:43

into such a big organization, such

50:45

a big world, without knowing anything

50:47

about the insights of the team.

50:49

And Ricky did a very good

50:52

job at introducing me to the

50:54

key people, introducing me to all

50:56

the Marnello fabric and all the

50:58

mechanics. He has a great relationship

51:00

with and obviously if he held

51:03

me also with, he knew very

51:05

well the car, he knew very

51:07

well Sebastian. the setups of the

51:09

car, the driving styles of Sebastian

51:11

against Charles, and we just started

51:14

forming a very strong relationship that

51:16

helped me adapt to Ferrari, I

51:18

think the quickest that I could

51:20

have adapted. Well, how quickly did

51:22

it happen? That jelling process? Yeah,

51:25

it was since day one, I

51:27

think it was we were on

51:29

the same wavelength, so I'm thinking

51:31

the same way, having similar experience

51:33

in a way, because from Toronto

51:36

also days I knew many engineers,

51:38

the world with him, so I

51:40

had some advises how he was

51:42

and now to tackle our project

51:44

together. And yeah, he was, as

51:47

I say, since the beginning, very

51:49

good relationship. We were on the

51:51

same page, on developing the car

51:53

and working together. He has a

51:55

very strong attitude to workload, so

51:58

very nice. together on the simulator

52:00

and developing the car and understanding

52:02

each other since the beginning and

52:04

yeah the results are there to

52:06

to see after four years we

52:09

are fighting for the championship together

52:11

so developing the car has worked

52:13

quite nicely. Ricky what's his greatest

52:15

strength? Yeah, as I say, it's

52:17

a very hard worker level of

52:20

details that we look in together

52:22

and develop in the car and

52:24

the setup, I would say that

52:26

is a strength. And what I've

52:28

noticed is a cause and action,

52:31

so he's able to understand technical

52:33

stuff and then applying driving, that

52:35

is not easy, you know, it's

52:37

easy to say, but then to

52:39

do it is another thing. What

52:42

do you think has been his

52:44

greatest performance for Ferrari so far?

52:46

Mexico, how standing here, Mexico was

52:48

more than Singapore? Singapore was more

52:50

of a fox driving, no smart

52:53

understanding and playing, but yeah, as

52:55

I say, was Mexico was fair

52:57

and square and dominating as I

52:59

told him after the race that

53:01

we can since a FP1 basically.

53:04

Are you going to miss this

53:06

guy? Yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah.

53:08

For sure. We will miss him

53:10

as a group. Will you miss

53:12

Ricky? 100%. I think we've built

53:15

a lot of good memories. My

53:17

first wins have not only come

53:19

with Ferrari, but have come with

53:21

Ricky, with Calum, with my mechanics,

53:23

with Corte, and the other engineers

53:26

of my group, let's say, and

53:28

it is something that I'm people,

53:30

that obviously I'm going to keep

53:32

for the rest of my life

53:34

really good memories, no? I would

53:37

be very happy and very open

53:39

to work with them in the

53:41

future because they've been a great

53:43

part of the success that we've

53:45

had to get in Ferrari. Ricky

53:48

you worked with Sebastian, well lots

53:50

of great drivers, Sebastian Vettle is

53:52

one springs to

53:54

mind. you see

53:56

similarities between Carlos

53:59

and Sebastian? Yes, indeed. They are

54:01

are quite similar

54:03

in terms of

54:05

of, yeah, simulator working with

54:07

working with the

54:10

simulator, as I as I

54:12

the car. the understanding

54:14

of behavior and the sensitivity to

54:16

staff. sensitivity sensitive on so

54:18

it's quite sensitive times,

54:20

you know, the car. stuff

54:23

times, you know, is change stuff recognize what

54:25

has it is able to in what

54:27

It is been changed in the card.

54:29

It is quite impressive. to my that

54:31

came to my mind very similar to

54:33

Sebastian. We started this started this

54:35

podcast talking about and the

54:37

job that, and the job that had to

54:39

do had to do during the build -up,

54:41

but also during the weekend, softening

54:43

the brake pedal, things like

54:45

that. that. Can I get your memories

54:47

of that weekend as well?

54:50

Yeah, it was quite intense, it

54:52

because great Wednesday it was for

54:54

the seat belts that from home. We

54:56

were a bit upset We had a

54:58

we do it. and say, then it

55:00

was quite shocking, And the very

55:02

first lap you did in the

55:04

was looking lap you did in FP1. other

55:06

engineers I was I was saying, at

55:08

the other really sure? We want to

55:10

do it, you know, because we had

55:12

just sure we was warming up it? You know,

55:14

because I had lap, all he was was

55:16

up, like, up I'm definitely I I was

55:18

like. 5 a few seconds the pace. Not even

55:20

pace, not even pushing as I I said

55:22

I couldn't be, I didn't trust didn't

55:25

trust that I could push, very

55:27

quickly quickly I a a decent

55:29

margin started started working on the

55:31

brake pedal and things to make me

55:33

me feel a bit more comfortable.

55:36

Well thank you very much for joining

55:38

us. for you. us. Thank you. to have.

55:40

to have Ricky join us. of One of the

55:42

things you said there, oh I I would like to

55:44

work to in the future. Did you ever

55:46

think about did him, trying to take him with

55:48

you to trying to take him with you to

55:50

Of course course kind of thing come

55:52

to your head, to but at

55:55

the same time you also need

55:57

to be realistic to be as much as

55:59

much as working are

56:01

important. The personal ones are also

56:03

are also fundamental. And I

56:05

know, obviously, his is in Italy.

56:08

kids, they 10 minutes away from from

56:10

and I also and I also realize

56:12

like things that sometimes you

56:14

wish that could happen, but also

56:16

there's other things that realistically, know, they're

56:19

probably never gonna happen. So you

56:21

never even. to happen so to make them

56:23

happen to make them happen too far from

56:25

the possible reality. reality think a guy

56:27

like a guy honestly, is a guy

56:29

that is a guy that always be a

56:31

Ferrari guy, and he deserves keep

56:33

be there, keep being successful there

56:36

like he's been, and he's also

56:38

very loved and very respected by

56:40

everyone there. Well it's been great

56:42

to catch up. up after a couple of

56:44

years, if we can just end this. end this

56:46

in what I call call the way. Oh,

56:48

quick way, our quick fire questions. What else are

56:50

you good at? at? I

56:52

would say in I would say,

56:54

in general, just sports. a decent

56:56

decent level every sport. So golf would be

56:59

the main one? Yeah. would be the

57:01

main one? courses in Andrews the summer didn't

57:03

in the summer, didn't you? Yeah. I

57:05

was going through a very moment in my

57:07

in my golfing career I didn't

57:09

my best I I would play

57:11

that course that the level that I'm

57:13

playing now. now. That could have That

57:15

could have been so much better.

57:17

Well, it had record, think is I think it's 61.

57:19

No, I'm I'm not talking about about course

57:21

I'm not a pro on anything like

57:23

that. But the other day, But I

57:26

shoot my first round on the first

57:28

round on the par, one tournament. in a Back

57:30

in Spain, in Spain. I'm still a

57:32

five handicap, but It's coming

57:34

down. down. And is is another sport, squash.

57:36

Then everything with a rocket he? My

57:38

dad was wasn't he? champion. a

57:40

squash But everything with a

57:42

racket, I can play

57:44

fairly well. can play fairly well.

57:46

wakeboarding. wakeboarding,

57:49

I don't know, football, know, I can I

57:51

can play you tell me a If you

57:53

tell me a sport, say, I challenge you,

57:55

you might you. the first You

57:57

might beat me the first time, but maybe in two

57:59

months I can. so so upset about

58:01

having lost I will I will get

58:03

to a good level. Right, I'm I'm

58:06

thinking paddle now. Are you Are you part

58:08

of the paddle gang in the

58:10

paddock? I'm not part of the

58:12

gang, I don't play with the

58:14

gang play with still not at the

58:16

level, but... I can play but I can

58:19

play part. Right, you've you've laid down a

58:21

marker now. now. Next next one. racing

58:24

racing person, dead or alive, would

58:26

you want to be stuck

58:28

in a lift with? That's a difficult

58:30

one. one. Senna, I think,

58:32

just share a I think just

58:34

share a good conversation with Sena. I

58:36

would love to. What would you ask him?

58:38

So many things. Honestly, I don't

58:40

know where I would start. I would start.

58:43

I I would be very annoying I a lot

58:45

of questions. Who would play

58:47

you in a film? questions. Who who

58:49

looks like me. you in a film? it

58:51

doesn't really matter, know. me? It

58:53

doesn't really as I like as I

58:55

really like Will Smith. Will Smith. I

58:58

like if it it has to be an action movie,

59:00

maybe Tom Cruise could be cool. Don Who

59:02

is the coolest person

59:04

in your the coolest person in

59:06

your contacts? I don't know, I'm lucky

59:08

to have know, in my to

59:11

have in people like Nadao, Rafa

59:13

Nadao. That's pretty darn cool. That's best

59:15

ever The something, know, for me

59:17

it's cool. you know, me me is

59:19

best, And one of the best is

59:21

the Tadej Pogacar is going to

59:23

be the best ever in

59:26

cycling. Tadai Pua is going to be the

59:28

best ever in some other sport. And

59:30

do they do they inspire

59:32

you doing doing those sports? Not when

59:34

doing doing them, because I'm so

59:36

far from them that it don't

59:38

think about their level when I

59:41

play that sport. What I

59:43

think is what they manage to

59:45

achieve in sport in general,

59:47

and in mentality and the mentality they I know

59:49

how tough it is to win. to win, but

59:51

the way that these people manage to dominate

59:53

and win so much in their sport.

59:55

their sport impressive. impressive

59:58

and especially the I like to with

1:00:00

the way they go about winning.

1:00:02

For me, it's not only about

1:00:05

winning, it's the way they go

1:00:07

about it and being an example

1:00:09

to the younger generation. And for

1:00:11

me, these two that I just

1:00:13

mentioned is the perfect example for

1:00:15

the younger generation of how to

1:00:17

approach competition, how to approach life

1:00:19

as an athlete. And yeah, they're

1:00:21

just a truly great example. Final

1:00:23

one, if you hosted a podcast

1:00:25

like this, who would be your

1:00:27

first guess. I think these two

1:00:29

could be a good start and

1:00:32

then I would try and get

1:00:34

Tiger Woods in the podcast. I

1:00:36

would try and get Iliato Puria,

1:00:38

the UFC fighter, Spanish. I've become

1:00:40

a big fan of him recently.

1:00:42

Just the greatest, if I could

1:00:44

just get the conduct of the

1:00:46

greatest at things, you know, and

1:00:48

start challenging them with tricky questions

1:00:50

like you do, you know. Is

1:00:52

there a formula one person you

1:00:54

bring on? Yeah, for sure. I

1:00:57

would like to bring fellow racing

1:00:59

drivers and try and open them

1:01:01

up and have the kind of

1:01:03

conversation that I can have with

1:01:05

Charles Orlando about racing and see,

1:01:07

let the people at home see

1:01:09

the kind of stuff that we

1:01:11

can talk about and discuss. I

1:01:13

think this would be very good.

1:01:15

Okay, so you achieved that with

1:01:17

Charlotte and Lando, but is there

1:01:19

another driver that you would be

1:01:21

intrigued to unpack? I think those

1:01:24

two are the ones that I

1:01:26

could get the most out of,

1:01:28

because I know them very well.

1:01:30

And I would say, remember this

1:01:32

time, what did you think when

1:01:34

I did this or when did

1:01:36

you think that with the others,

1:01:38

yeah, with my teammates, I would

1:01:40

manage to get more... Saucey

1:01:42

stuff. I think we'll leave it there.

1:01:44

Carlos, what a great chat. Thank you

1:01:47

very much for your time. It's serious.

1:01:49

Thank you very much. Now there's an

1:01:51

idea. I can see Carlos hosting a

1:01:53

show called getting the likes of Nidal,

1:01:55

Woods, Tom Cruise and the rest on

1:01:57

for a great chat. I would definitely

1:01:59

tune into that. Now I really hope

1:02:01

you enjoy hearing from Carlos as much

1:02:04

as I did. He was incredibly candid

1:02:06

wasn't he and he seems at peace

1:02:08

with his move to Williams. Initially it'll

1:02:10

be a different experience compared to Ferrari

1:02:12

but he seems more than up for

1:02:14

the challenge. Thanks for your time Carlos

1:02:16

and thanks to Ricardo Adami for joining

1:02:18

us. The bond between Carlos and Ricky

1:02:21

is clear and it's sad to see

1:02:23

them go their separate ways at the

1:02:25

end of the year. Now as ever,

1:02:27

please let me know what you think

1:02:29

this episode. I love reading your messages,

1:02:31

so please send what you think through

1:02:33

all the usual means. I'm at Tom

1:02:35

Clarkson F1, or you can use the

1:02:37

hashtag F1 beyond the grid. Which brings

1:02:40

me on to what you sent in

1:02:42

about last week's show with Andy Stevenson,

1:02:44

who celebrated his 600th Grand Prix in

1:02:46

Las Vegas. I was taken aback by

1:02:48

the number of messages we were sent,

1:02:50

and I thought this from Paul Hicklin

1:02:52

summed up what a lot of you

1:02:54

thought. I've listened to every episode of

1:02:57

F1B on the grid, and I can't

1:02:59

think of a better one than this,

1:03:01

says Paul. Andy has some great stories

1:03:03

from his 600 races in Formula One.

1:03:05

And the one where Frenson raced at

1:03:07

Manikor with a broken leg was fantastic.

1:03:09

Andy's passion, enthusiasm and energy for F1

1:03:11

is unrivaled. Well, thanks for that note,

1:03:14

Paul. It was great to hear from

1:03:16

you. And a large number of people

1:03:18

from inside the F1 paddock have told

1:03:20

me how much they enjoyed listening to

1:03:22

Andy as well. It definitely hit a

1:03:24

chord. Well that's almost it for this

1:03:26

week. A couple of parish notices before

1:03:28

I go. F1 Nation's review of the

1:03:30

Qatar Grand Prix is out now. I'm

1:03:33

joined by Alex Jakes and Pietro Fittipaldi

1:03:35

to reflect on Max Verstappen's surprising victory

1:03:37

in Lucille and the battle between McLaren

1:03:39

and Ferrari to become world champions. And

1:03:41

the latest episode of F1 explains features

1:03:43

McLaren reserve driver Award who's who's

1:03:45

answering your questions. Both

1:03:47

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shows are on your

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you thank you very

1:03:56

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