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on qualifying items. Formula

1:02

One drivers live life at

1:04

high speed. They're used to

1:06

things happening quickly. They're impatient

1:09

to win. Sometimes I wish I

1:11

could like fast forward to see

1:13

how we're going to be like

1:15

in a couple of months time.

1:17

But I do have a lot

1:20

of belief that we'll see alpine

1:22

competing for much better position in

1:24

a short term. The mentality and

1:26

the mindset is what's most important

1:29

for me. just seeing the desire

1:31

and the belief of my team

1:33

that we can actually do it.

1:35

Pierre Gazley is full of belief

1:37

as he embarks on his third

1:40

season with Alpine. He believes in

1:42

the team and he believes in

1:44

his own ability. He even believes

1:46

that this will be the year

1:48

in which he takes his second

1:50

F1 victory. I'm Tom Clarkson and

1:52

here on F1 Beyond the grid.

1:55

I asked Pierre why he feels

1:57

that way. After all, Alpine are

1:59

not yet a front-running team. But

2:01

Pierre has faith that they will

2:03

get better soon. And he believes

2:05

that when the unexpected happens and

2:07

a chance for a midfield driver

2:10

to win a race comes up,

2:12

he will be the one to

2:14

take it. After all, he's done

2:16

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Now, as you're about to find

2:31

out, Pierre is in really good

2:33

form. It was a pleasure to

2:35

talk to him about his rivals,

2:37

his teammate, his new bosses, and

2:40

his status as team leading. Pierre,

2:42

bonjo, how are you? Bonjo, very

2:44

good, very good. Yeah, very happy

2:46

to be here. It's been a

2:48

while, actually. Two years, two years.

2:50

Two years, sir. You're looking fit,

2:52

well, how was your winter? Very

2:54

good, I must say it's... It

2:56

was good to have a bit

2:58

of time off with the family

3:00

because the family is obviously

3:02

growing. Thankfully, you know, year

3:04

after year, more nieces, nephews,

3:06

everybody is healthy and great

3:08

to spend some time back

3:11

home with them. And yeah,

3:13

I must say I'm just

3:15

very excited to get another

3:17

season going, get back racing

3:19

and go out there, wheels to wheel

3:21

and try to look for my second

3:23

race win in Formula One.

3:26

Physically, are you in better shape

3:28

as a result of training over the

3:30

winter? Over the last few years,

3:32

I've been pretty pleased in the

3:35

sort of development and evolution

3:37

is something I try to

3:39

put a lot of efforts, because

3:41

it helps me physically, but

3:43

also mentally in my daily

3:45

life, just feeling sharp, feeling

3:47

strong, putting the efforts in the

3:49

gym. It's something I actually like,

3:51

you know, like pushing yourself. So

3:54

now physically very strong, try to

3:56

set up some sort of

3:58

like personal targets. you know

4:00

with some running some exercises I

4:02

want to I want to achieve

4:05

etc but generally speaking I think

4:07

it's yeah probably the fittest I've

4:09

ever been talk to me about

4:11

running are you running the tracks

4:13

what distances are you doing are

4:15

you sprinting are you endurance so I

4:18

don't do like crazy distance of

4:20

Martin not yet I'm waiting a

4:22

few years before probably after after

4:25

F1 but yeah I'll do anything

4:27

from I like my you know

4:29

5k running because just printing and

4:32

can you reveal your fastest time

4:34

your PB? Sub 17 I want

4:36

to I want to get it to

4:39

I think now I've put in my

4:41

mind so in the next two months

4:43

I'll give it a shot again but

4:45

I like to get it to 1630

4:48

ish. Do you mind if I don't

4:50

reveal that? But to be

4:52

fair idea, it's not something

4:54

you need in the car,

4:56

but it's just this stuff

4:58

that when I put something

5:00

in my mind, it's like

5:02

almost I gotta tick the box,

5:04

you know, so it's like I

5:06

push myself, it's 5K, it doesn't

5:09

feel great because you're just on

5:11

age from start to finish, but...

5:13

I quite like to go through

5:15

that pain and when you get

5:17

that satisfaction at the end that,

5:19

okay, you've done it and you

5:21

actually get the rewards. I do,

5:23

yeah, 5K, but then, yeah, I'll

5:25

run up to 20, 22, 23,

5:27

sometimes for like longer recovery runs.

5:29

At the end of the day,

5:31

I just want to be one

5:33

of the fittest on the grade

5:35

and put that physical part away where

5:38

I know I'm way fit enough for

5:40

the entire season. So I think

5:42

fitness is currency. in formal one,

5:44

isn't it? I think people do

5:47

value a driver's fitness and I'm

5:49

talking about team principles. Yeah,

5:51

I think it's, we are athletes

5:53

and it's part of the performance,

5:55

you know, you'll have races

5:58

where things feel pretty easy. You

6:00

got long straits to recover,

6:02

temperatures not too high, body

6:04

temperature is quite cool. But

6:07

in January I'm thinking, okay, what

6:09

are the two, three races which are

6:11

going to be the most challenging

6:14

physically? And those ones, I don't

6:16

want to be just about fit

6:18

enough for these races. I want to

6:20

have the buffer that I'll be easy.

6:23

So you look at Singapore, you look

6:25

at back in the Malaysia, it was

6:27

very tough. You look at Qatar. and

6:29

the work I do in January it's

6:32

already having those races in mind knowing

6:34

that through the year you're not going

6:36

to be able to keep up that

6:38

intensity of training so you need to

6:40

have a big buffer in February and

6:43

sort of like you know your physical

6:45

capacity decreased through the year but whenever

6:47

you get to that Qatar race in

6:49

November still want to have that buffer. When

6:51

I get there mentally also I know I

6:54

have an edge on the others because I

6:56

know the ones that don't work out as

6:58

much will struggle more so potentially

7:00

the last 10 laps, you

7:02

know, when it starts to

7:04

get a bit harder, then

7:06

mentally it makes a difference.

7:08

Did you get to go

7:10

to Flavio's place in Africa,

7:12

because I remember in the

7:14

2000s, Alonzo and Fisicella and

7:16

truly, they all used to

7:19

go to Kenya on a

7:21

Kenya, to Flavio's place yet,

7:23

but you know, we're getting

7:25

to know each other. weeks

7:27

after weeks and months after

7:29

months I must say we're

7:31

having a very good relationship,

7:33

very honest, he's very supportive,

7:35

understanding my career, where I

7:38

come from, the sort of different

7:40

challenges I've had and my

7:42

ambition in Formula One and

7:44

the targets I said to

7:46

myself so I must say

7:48

we have very open conversations

7:50

about that and it's been really

7:53

on it and very supportive.

7:55

Doesn't mean I got an invite to

7:57

Kenya yet. I'm sure it will happen, but

7:59

we win. touch consistently and a

8:01

very common vision. And a

8:04

very common vision on where we

8:06

want to bring the team. Obviously

8:08

it's got way more experience than

8:10

I have. It's seen the team

8:13

through different shapes. It's brought the

8:15

team to the top of Formula

8:17

One. But at the end, in

8:19

terms of mentality, mindset and what

8:22

we want from our people, I

8:24

think we are in a very

8:26

similar ground and very similar vision.

8:29

He's a very interesting mix,

8:31

Flavio isn't he? He's ruthless,

8:33

he's charming, he's funny, he's all

8:35

of these things, but for a guy who

8:37

has never raced, and when he arrived

8:40

in Formula One in the late

8:42

80s, profess to know nothing about

8:44

Formula One, he does have an

8:46

amazing capacity to deal with

8:48

racing drivers in that, okay,

8:51

he's managed Alonzo forever, he

8:53

was truly his manager, Physicalers

8:55

manager, Mark Weber's manager for

8:57

15 years. He does understand the

9:00

way you guys think, doesn't

9:02

he? It does, but I will

9:04

say, because he's got that quality

9:06

of being interested and being

9:09

curious about it. So he'll

9:11

talk and he'll ask questions to

9:13

kind of get a read and kind

9:16

of scan, okay, like in what

9:18

space are you and what ed

9:20

space are you in? I've been

9:22

quite impressed in how much he

9:24

knows but then I realize just

9:26

you know hanging out with him

9:28

and spending more time with him

9:30

that he's actually curious about many

9:32

many different topics and that's that's

9:35

how he has so much knowledge

9:37

about you know various subjects so

9:39

yeah he does understand racing drivers

9:41

he does understand the competitiveness

9:44

you know I'm obsessed with winning and

9:46

trying to be the best and really

9:48

trying to perfect whatever I

9:50

do related to formula one and

9:53

in that sense he's the same

9:55

he doesn't accept anything

9:57

below perfection and Yeah, I

9:59

mean And that's why I really

10:01

enjoy the talks we have. And I

10:03

think there is a great understanding. There

10:06

is a lot of transparency, which I

10:08

love, you know, Flyview is a very

10:10

straightforward and direct person. And yeah, it's

10:13

matching very well. Do you speak to

10:15

him in English, Italian, French?

10:18

Mainly Italian. But then when

10:20

my vocabulary comes short, then I

10:22

switch to English. But yeah, mainly

10:24

Italian. How do you see his

10:27

relationship with Olloakes, the team

10:29

principal? What do you see

10:31

as Flavio business? And what

10:33

do you see as Ollie

10:35

business? It's a good question.

10:38

I mean at the end of the

10:40

day Flavio has got

10:42

that overview of the entire

10:44

team. He's got that leadership

10:46

and kind of giving

10:49

big directions where Ollie

10:51

is probably slightly closer

10:54

to the people from the fact

10:56

is on the sort of...

10:59

executive on a daily basis.

11:01

So I think they're very close,

11:03

you know, obviously they are together

11:05

from morning to night. All he's

11:07

at the factory every day. Flavio

11:09

actually comes every week and spends quite

11:12

a bit of time there. But I

11:14

think they're teaming up really well. Flavio,

11:16

you know, when he came in, I

11:19

didn't know how much he was going

11:21

to be involved because, no, he's done

11:23

so much in his life. A new

11:25

cool thing, okay, he actually doesn't need.

11:27

at this stage of his life to

11:30

put that much effort and that much

11:32

time because he's successful, he's won in

11:34

Formula One, he's done so many great

11:36

stuff, he could just lay back, you

11:39

know, lay down on the beach, back

11:41

in Kenya or south of France and

11:43

just chill, but at the end of

11:45

the day he really took it

11:47

personal and his commitment, not going

11:50

to lie and dedication is way

11:52

above what I imagine and in

11:54

a positive way. So he's really

11:56

trying hard and really trying his

11:58

best to turn the team around.

12:00

Usually, only is a true racer. All

12:02

is probably less of this

12:04

glamour side than what we know

12:07

from Flavio, but is a proper

12:09

true racer that wants to build

12:11

the best and strongest racing team.

12:13

And it's a great mix, yeah.

12:16

I went for a run along

12:18

the Yarra River in Melbourne

12:20

on the Monday after the Australian

12:22

Grand Prix, and I bumped into

12:25

those two, just strolling along. Flavio

12:27

asking me why I was going

12:29

for a run. But yeah, they

12:32

seem to get on well. They

12:34

obviously bounce ideas off each other,

12:36

don't they? Some people think Flavio

12:39

is a helmet Marco type figure

12:41

in that he's so ruthless. As

12:43

you say, he wants results, he

12:46

wants to win. Do you see that

12:48

side of him? He's a

12:50

competitive person. And when you're

12:52

a competitive person, as I

12:54

say, you don't settle for...

12:56

anything less than perfection

12:59

and you know you want the IS

13:01

quality on any areas

13:03

whether it's IRA, whether it's

13:05

engine, whether it's drivers,

13:07

you want the best available.

13:10

So people can see it

13:12

as ruthless but at the

13:14

end of the day it's a

13:16

competitive environment, it's high performance, top

13:19

of the motorsports. these guys want

13:21

what's what's best and I think

13:23

it's understandable and as much as

13:26

as a driver when you feel

13:28

you've got the best skills you

13:30

want the best cars available so

13:33

I think it goes both ways

13:35

and it's completely fair to have

13:37

this sort of expectation

13:40

but yeah at the end of the

13:42

day you could say it's just a

13:44

direct it doesn't you know hide these

13:46

thoughts and emotions and it'll be quite

13:49

straightforward but yeah honestly I rather

13:51

I have this sort of personality

13:53

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15:33

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15:35

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15:37

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15:39

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15:41

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McLaren's CEO, Zach Brown, answers your

15:49

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So once you've finished listening to

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Pierre on F1B on the grid,

15:58

why not check out F1 Nation and...

16:00

everyone explains. And on the

16:02

subject of Ollie Oakes, he's

16:04

the third team principle you've

16:07

had since you've been at

16:09

the team. There was the

16:11

Opmar Safnauer era, there was

16:13

the Bruno famine era. How

16:15

different is your relationship

16:17

with Ollie to the two previous

16:20

guys? Well, it always takes

16:22

sometimes, you know, to

16:24

obviously create that sort

16:26

of relationship, that's understanding...

16:28

trust, but I must say

16:30

it's going very well because as

16:32

I say, Ollie is a true racer, so

16:35

he comes from, he used to be a

16:37

race driver himself. So he

16:39

understands both sides, he

16:42

understands the engineering side,

16:44

he understands the team point

16:46

of view, but he also understands

16:48

the driver's point of view, which

16:50

really is... and help the sort

16:53

of conversation we have from my

16:55

side and also like going forward

16:57

and move together with the team

16:59

and how to actually get the

17:01

maximum out of all of us.

17:03

So when Ollie came in I

17:05

didn't know much about him so

17:07

it takes a few months to

17:09

open up and really understand each

17:11

other but I think after a couple

17:14

of months I can say I'm very

17:16

happy where we are and the direction

17:18

we are hitting as a team as

17:20

well. should not forget 12 months ago

17:22

I definitely didn't smile much even though

17:24

I'm a very smiley person I must

17:27

say we went through a pretty tough

17:29

time as a team which obviously personally

17:31

is difficult because you put so much

17:33

efforts and going back home after every

17:35

single race and seeing you're kind of

17:37

limited there is nothing really satisfying in

17:39

terms of performance because at the end

17:42

of the day I want the result that

17:44

that what makes me happy I can do the

17:46

best race ever if it's to finish P14 I'll

17:48

go back home and I'll go back home and

17:50

It takes sometimes to kind of like sink in

17:53

and move on to the next thing. So I

17:55

think the work we've been doing over these

17:57

past few months has been really impressive.

18:00

overall all together as a

18:02

team. Thanks to Ollie, thanks

18:04

to Flav and everybody back

18:06

at the factory, but can

18:08

really feel that dynamic is

18:10

switching and there is a real

18:12

desire of achieving a higher level

18:15

of performance, but we're

18:17

just demanding more from

18:19

ourselves. And yeah, everything is kind

18:21

of slowly, all the pieces are

18:23

falling in the right places and

18:25

I think we'll see that. We'll

18:27

see the real words of all

18:29

of that in a few months.

18:31

I mean, it's felt like a

18:34

team in transition for the duration

18:36

of the time you've been there

18:38

actually since 23. Do you feel

18:40

that it's got everything it needs

18:42

now to challenge at the front?

18:44

You'll always want more. You know, it's

18:46

the reality of life and especially

18:48

in that sport. There is infinite

18:51

improvements to be made. I think the

18:53

way and the shape... we have at

18:55

the minute the structure we have is

18:58

the strongest I've I've seen in Alpine

19:00

since I arrived and that's why it

19:02

gives me a lot of hopes that

19:04

great achievements can be can be done

19:07

over the over the next few months

19:09

and you know especially in 2026. The

19:11

mentality and the mindset is what's

19:13

most important for me just

19:16

seeing the desire and the belief of

19:18

my team that we can actually do

19:20

it which is something which was missing

19:22

when I arrived, there was a will,

19:24

but did we actually believe it

19:27

was possible? Probably not everybody.

19:29

And I feel the work

19:31

that has been done over the

19:33

past few months was really reinforcing

19:36

the belief into our people that

19:38

we actually got the staff, we

19:40

got the facilities, we got all

19:43

the requirements to actually bring alpin

19:45

back to the top. And I

19:48

do believe it's achievable. Where's

19:50

that belief come from? That's...

19:52

the work of many people, but

19:55

obviously it comes from

19:57

you know the brands management

19:59

the people, the driver and

20:01

at the end the staff, you

20:04

know, motivating each other, having the

20:06

desire of putting the extra hours.

20:08

And you just see like the

20:10

effort that I'll put at the

20:12

factory, the motivation, the energy, the

20:15

way people actually talk about ourselves

20:17

inside the team, I can feel

20:19

like a real sense of pride

20:21

now of being part of

20:23

albin, which is crucially important.

20:26

It's part of that. It's part

20:28

of that. from the momentum you

20:30

built up last year, I mean,

20:32

bad memory, but you qualified

20:34

last in Bahrain at the first

20:36

race of last year, and then

20:39

there was that sensational P3 at

20:41

Las Vegas at the end of

20:43

the year. That rate of progress

20:45

was sensational, and is that what has

20:48

borne the belief inside Enstone?

20:50

100% you know, at the end of

20:52

the day, the results don't lie, and

20:54

that comparison, let alone I

20:56

think shows it all, like it just...

20:58

literally qualified last in a

21:01

couple of months the team managed

21:03

to turn a car which Really

21:05

didn't feel good. Yeah, I didn't respond

21:07

to any sort of input I

21:09

was trying to do inside a

21:11

car and they managed to give

21:13

me a car which We qualified

21:15

on the second row in Vegas

21:18

on pure pace No, nothing nothing

21:20

happened. It was just like real

21:22

pure pace and it just shows

21:24

from our understanding as a team

21:26

we obviously spotted very early on

21:28

what went wrong in the car

21:30

but their abilities to actually improve

21:32

the processes we've put in place

21:34

to really bring a lot of

21:36

performance on the car so

21:39

there are a lot of positives sometimes

21:41

I wish I could like fast forward

21:43

sings up to to see how we're

21:45

going to be like in a couple

21:48

of months time but I do have

21:50

a lot of belief that yeah we'll

21:52

see albin competing for much better position

21:54

in a short term. Where did

21:56

the car improve last year? I

21:58

mean, okay. A lot was made of

22:01

the weight. But it must have been

22:03

more than that. Yeah, more than

22:05

that. In everyone, sometimes we like

22:07

to pinpoint just to a

22:09

single stuff. There are unlimited stuff

22:11

you can do in the car

22:14

to actually bring hundreds of performance.

22:16

You'll go from weight saving

22:18

to drag reduction to increase

22:20

of done force, to fine

22:23

tune some engine setting the

22:25

extraction of the actual setup

22:27

and maximizing what you got,

22:29

the tire usage. you know

22:31

the mapping electronics into the

22:33

car actually finding a car

22:36

balance which suits your more

22:38

like natural driving which will

22:40

allow you to get that

22:42

last tense out of the car

22:44

putting all these pieces together

22:46

then end up having

22:49

a considerable gain on

22:51

track but it's not down to

22:53

one thing it's it's really

22:55

the addition of many little

22:57

improvements. Yeah, clearly you put

22:59

a very good lap in

23:01

in Vegas qualifying. But if you'd

23:03

taken the car you had in Bahrain

23:06

to that race, would it have been

23:08

back row of the grill again? It

23:10

would have been. Yeah. And then have

23:12

you managed to keep that momentum

23:14

going over the winter? Does this

23:16

car, the 25 car, feel a

23:18

step forward again? I think it

23:20

does feel like we've improved in

23:22

certain areas. key points on the

23:25

20-24 car which were not ideal, which

23:27

we changed for this year. It does

23:29

feel like the grade kind of

23:31

also came a bit more together.

23:33

So the games we've made, some

23:36

other teams made big against, some

23:38

other smaller, but it's gonna be

23:40

an extremely tight field for the

23:42

entire season, which is exciting because

23:44

you know at times it's gonna

23:46

come your way, at times on

23:48

harder weekends. It might be critical,

23:51

but that's why we'll have to

23:53

be clinical about every single weekend

23:55

and really try to absolutely nail

23:57

it because you can get a...

23:59

or you can lose a lot

24:02

on a season like that. You

24:04

said before the start of the

24:06

season that you want that second

24:08

win in Formula One this year.

24:10

Now you've seen the opposition.

24:13

Do you still think that looks

24:15

feasible? The only one that

24:17

I see could make this slightly

24:19

more difficult to achieve is

24:21

the McLarens. My clients are

24:24

really on a different level

24:26

and it does look like the gap

24:28

with them. even on our best weekend

24:30

and might be difficult to close

24:32

but then at the same time you know on

24:34

24 races they're not going to get

24:37

it right every single time they're going

24:39

to be race situations scenarios people call

24:41

it luck but then at the end

24:43

of the day it's racing you know

24:45

in a full season if there is

24:48

no unexpected scenarios happening there's no

24:50

point of going racing anymore you

24:52

know because that's what makes our

24:55

sports so enjoyable to watch and so

24:57

exciting like Out of 24 races, I know

24:59

they're going to be that one, same as

25:01

last year in Brazil, some as the year

25:03

before in Zenvot when I finished on the

25:05

podium on the rain. And they're going to

25:08

be these conditions where on a day like

25:10

that, as a driver, you'll have more chance

25:12

to grab a big result. And that's what

25:14

I'm hoping. You know, it might be one of

25:16

the seasons where nothing happened and at the end

25:18

of the day, all the podiums are going to

25:20

be with two McLarens and a red ball until

25:22

the end of the end of the end of

25:25

the end of the year. You know it

25:27

doesn't happen like that and and

25:29

we get our our shots to

25:31

get one of those big results

25:33

and it is those crazy races

25:36

Where you seem to really excel

25:38

you have a history of it.

25:40

I mean, yeah, you mentioned Zanvoort

25:43

you mentioned Brazil as well back

25:45

in the day. It's that's I

25:47

think something I'm Quite let's say

25:50

proud is at stage of my

25:52

career so far. I haven't had

25:54

like You know out of those eight

25:56

years I've been mainly racing in

25:58

the midfield and when you're racing

26:01

in the midfield you're trying

26:03

to stand out which is

26:05

difficult because people kind of stop

26:07

you know after the top three

26:10

people don't actually know they don't

26:12

even pay attention who's false 56

26:14

whatever so my point is every

26:16

single week and I come with

26:18

the same mindset that anything's

26:21

possible and I want to make

26:23

sure that's out of the midfield

26:25

I'm that first one that will

26:27

benefit or get anything out

26:29

of a situation, one of those

26:31

situations. Because, you know, at the

26:33

end of the day, you can

26:36

get one podium by like, two

26:38

podium by like, but you don't

26:40

get five by like. There is

26:42

a repetition of actions that put you

26:44

in a situation where you can be

26:46

the one to get rewarded from

26:48

those races. And I think

26:51

that's something I've managed to

26:53

do pretty much throughout my whole career.

26:55

I can't be like, oh yeah, that

26:57

was... that one podium where I had

26:59

a chance and I missed it not

27:01

to be vulgar, you know, where it

27:04

didn't come my way. I know every

27:06

single chance I've had to actually stand

27:08

on that podium in Formula One.

27:10

I was there and I performed and

27:12

I didn't put a foot wrong

27:14

and that's the mentality where every

27:16

weekend you're going to come in

27:18

and maybe you need to settle

27:20

for eight nights or ten because

27:23

that's just the way it goes,

27:25

the fastest cars. Not at reach. But

27:27

then that one or two chances you get

27:29

a year, then I want to be the

27:31

one to get it just to show that

27:33

I'm there when the moments come.

27:35

So you're definitely opportunistic, but

27:37

you also keep your nose

27:39

clean and I am fascinated

27:41

by the stat that you cost the

27:43

team zero Zero. Zero years

27:46

was pretty happy about that

27:48

one. That's totally Flavio's language,

27:50

isn't it? But do you have I mean,

27:52

all formal one drive is a

27:54

brilliant athletes, but Do you have

27:56

that something else that allows

27:59

you to? keep your nose clean.

28:01

Like, do you have this amazing peripheral

28:03

vision? I mean, if you hold your finger

28:05

up here, can you see further

28:07

back than the rest? Right there, I got

28:09

two fingers at the back of my head. It's

28:14

difficult to explain. I

28:16

think it's awareness trying

28:19

to sense every situation.

28:21

And it turns out

28:23

there is a part of, you

28:25

know, being lucky that, you know,

28:27

no one actually done anything stupid

28:30

or raced in any, you know,

28:32

like, silly way during the

28:35

years. So I think

28:37

it's a mix of different

28:39

characteristics. I think at the

28:41

end of the day, I always race

28:43

hard and clean. Like, if I look

28:45

at last year, there were moments where

28:47

obviously I came extremely close with

28:50

some of the cars and it's

28:52

just trying to find that

28:54

fine margins in those wheels, wheel

28:56

-to -wheel battle. And I

28:58

always race hard in

29:00

mind keeping my car clean because at

29:02

the end of the day, you want

29:04

to see the checkered flag because if

29:06

it's to retire, then you don't even

29:08

get a chance, no matter the performance

29:10

of the car. But then, yeah, I

29:12

think overall in my career, never really

29:15

crashed much. I

29:18

remember, like, yeah, the

29:20

Red Bull episodes where I've had,

29:22

like, two crashes in the winter.

29:24

I think before that, probably had

29:26

one crash in F1 in my

29:29

career. And following that, I probably

29:31

think you could probably count my

29:33

crashes in F1, like, on my

29:35

two hands, which is not much

29:37

considering at what you see on

29:39

the grid. But it's difficult to explain.

29:41

guess there is a sense of awareness

29:43

and probably a bit of luck

29:45

as well. And when you're racing the

29:47

other guys, you must know them

29:49

inside out as well. You must have

29:51

a file in your

29:53

brain, OK, I'm racing so and so

29:56

now. They're likely to do this, so

29:58

your car positioning can win all... each

30:00

other. I know in my mind any

30:02

single driver that I fight, I know

30:04

the way I raise them and

30:06

there might be a guy having

30:08

my car in the same position

30:11

attacking a main straits with the

30:13

same gap. I know that this

30:15

guy are more likely to overtake

30:18

him in turn one on

30:20

the entry or that one on

30:22

the exit or this one into

30:24

the breaking turn three. And

30:26

this is just knowing the way

30:29

they raise. knowing their sort

30:31

of car position most of

30:33

the time knowing their aggressivity

30:35

knowing Whether they are more likely

30:37

to make a mistake So at

30:39

the end of the day it's It

30:42

is important to know the guys that

30:44

you raise because it does Push you

30:46

into making the right the right

30:48

decisions and probably at the end

30:51

of the day we go back to

30:53

also you know that that's that's the

30:55

fact that I keep my nose clean

30:57

is I I'm aware of who I'm fighting

31:00

and I know how to raise them. Who

31:02

are the guys you're most wary

31:04

of? I'm not worried of anyone, it's

31:06

just a different approach. You'll fall

31:08

someone into a mistake or someone

31:11

else who you'll know that being

31:13

slightly more aggressive will pay

31:15

off. Another one you'll probably know

31:17

that it won't make that mistake

31:19

so you'll have to kind of

31:21

wear him out a little bit

31:24

more and and probably try to

31:26

use his engine a bit more

31:28

and... And then after there's another

31:30

thing is something I actually study

31:32

and analyze a lot because I

31:35

like data and I work, I

31:37

put quite a lot of hours

31:39

with my guys and analyzing the

31:41

other cars is going into a

31:43

race. I know my strength is in

31:46

turn 7, turn 9 and versus Aston

31:48

Martin. I'm weaker breaking 14 and

31:50

the last part of the track. You

31:53

know all of that before you go

31:55

in? Yeah. So I'll know if I got

31:57

a fight with those guys, I'm more

31:59

likely... to make a difference in that sector

32:01

2 than sector 3. So in that case,

32:04

if I go into sector 3, I try

32:06

to force him to lose a bit of

32:08

time so I can stay closer. So when

32:10

I get to sector 2, I get a

32:13

better shot. Rather than desperately trying to attack

32:15

him at the end of the strait where

32:17

I know I won't be in a favorable

32:19

position. There is all this to take into

32:22

consideration when you're in the car, sometimes it

32:24

doesn't look like that from the outside. It's

32:26

like, oh yeah, it's just try that, that

32:28

move, or why did he move that kind,

32:30

that position? But because you're trying to set

32:33

up yourself for a quarter of a lap

32:35

later or a third of the lap later.

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34:12

Can we talk about

34:15

how you feel you've

34:17

improved as a racing

34:19

driver? You've got what 150

34:22

odd starts under your belt?

34:24

You're 29. You're 29 and

34:26

you're the fifth. oldest driver

34:28

in formal one. How does

34:30

that make you feel? That's

34:32

really crazy because a couple

34:34

years ago at 29 you'll

34:36

probably be one of the

34:39

youngest. Exactly. In 25, yeah,

34:41

fifths. Where are you still

34:43

getting better? I get better

34:45

every year. I'm not going

34:47

to lie. I feel it's one

34:49

of these sports where experience

34:52

really come in handy because

34:54

we don't practice much. You know,

34:57

compared to any other sports. But

34:59

you know friends in football

35:01

or basketball or tennis and

35:04

Whenever I discuss with them, they're

35:06

like I yeah every day we

35:09

actually practice us both they'll play

35:11

ball They'll play you know they'll

35:13

get on the courts They'll try

35:16

to like You know really perfect

35:18

that that shot they get from

35:20

outside the box and and I'm

35:22

like Well, I never practice next

35:24

time I get out is for

35:26

my FP1 in China or Japan.

35:29

Do you go carting in between

35:31

the races? Honestly, with the time

35:33

we have available, it's

35:35

hard and I love to. If I

35:38

could, I would be sitting in

35:40

an F1 car every single week

35:42

because I'm sure you would actually

35:45

get that point, you

35:47

know, 1% of yourself

35:49

and you're driving by

35:51

just like having those

35:53

thousands repetition. But it's not

35:55

something we were able to do, so

35:57

it brings that all the challenge of...

36:00

You need to adapt very quickly in F1

36:02

compared to previous categories where maybe you

36:04

got a bit more practice, a bit

36:06

more test days, you know, in cutting

36:08

people used to practice like 200 days

36:10

a year. It's like fine, it works

36:13

those days, but when you get to

36:15

F1 is that natural ability to get

36:17

on it straight away. You need to

36:19

get the feel very quickly. But yeah,

36:21

we don't get to practice, so I

36:23

do feel every year you're always learning

36:25

about yourself, about the team, about how

36:27

to extract. I think when I was

36:29

mainly... trying to really understand myself the

36:32

feeling inside the car and know

36:34

it's my knowledge has gone a

36:36

bit wider in terms of teamwork and

36:38

how do I get more from my

36:41

guys and all together as a team

36:43

how do we complement each other to

36:45

make sure that when we get to

36:47

the track not only myself is a

36:50

hundred percent but all of

36:52

us as a team the

36:54

car the mechanics the engineers

36:56

my race engineers the communication

36:58

how do we prep ourselves

37:00

better that we have an age

37:02

when we get to that

37:04

qualifying or race. Pierre, do

37:06

you know what you sound

37:08

like? You sound like a team

37:11

leader. That last 30 seconds. You

37:13

seem to enjoy, are you

37:15

relishing that role? I love

37:17

that role. I embrace that

37:19

role. It's about making a

37:21

difference at the end of the

37:24

day. It's about leading that

37:26

team in the right direction.

37:28

I'm not someone that's settled

37:31

for suboptimal work or

37:33

performance. I always want the

37:35

best for my team, for my

37:38

people and for myself. And yeah,

37:40

whenever I get back home on

37:42

a Sunday night and I want

37:44

to feel okay, hopefully it's been

37:47

a strong result, but regardless

37:49

of the outcome, have we

37:51

done everything perfectly or at

37:54

the level that's at the

37:56

standard of... race winning

37:58

team and And that's

38:00

what we want to, that's what we

38:03

want to be like. So. Are you

38:05

a natural leader? I think since I

38:07

was a kid, I've always been like

38:09

that. So I used to play football

38:11

and I used to. Were you

38:13

the one on the pitch? I

38:15

just used to push my teammate

38:17

and you know, it's like having

38:19

that winning mentality. I, no matter

38:21

what I do, it's just deep

38:23

inside me. It doesn't matter. I

38:26

got a win. I want to win. So

38:28

whether I play. chess on my off

38:30

time against random people online, I

38:32

get absolutely, I'm fuming if

38:35

I lose, even though I don't know

38:37

against who I play, but is that

38:39

in a fire I've got inside me?

38:41

And I know the day I don't have

38:43

it is no point for me

38:45

to be in sport anymore. That's

38:47

my motivation every single day. That's

38:49

what I use to make all the

38:52

efforts and putting the hours to

38:54

improve myself and improve my team.

38:56

And that's also why I love

38:58

my life because that's my purpose

39:00

and I know exactly what I

39:02

want. It feels like you've stepped up

39:04

this year. Okay, you've got a rookie

39:07

as your teammate. You seem to rub

39:09

along very well. You're in Jack by

39:11

the way. Is that true? Yeah, that's

39:13

true. Yeah, there's no there's no acting

39:15

there. Jack is an amazing guy. It's

39:18

very funny. I mean like most

39:20

of the hosty people there they're

39:22

very easy going and yeah he's

39:24

a fast guy honestly I know

39:26

he's not having the easiest way

39:28

into formula one and there are

39:30

many situations where I can relate

39:32

with what I had to go through at

39:34

some stage in my career and I didn't

39:36

feel good I didn't like it I didn't

39:38

enjoy those times and in a way I

39:40

don't feel like I want him to have

39:42

these similar feelings which I had

39:45

because everyone is all about you

39:47

need to enjoy your time we're lucky

39:49

to be in the position we are He

39:51

dreamt about Formula One his entire life.

39:53

I dreamt about F1. When we get

39:55

here, it's all about the performance, but

39:58

it's important to also... enjoy

40:00

that process. We've got only one life,

40:02

we have only one career and it's

40:05

we're here to enjoy every single second.

40:07

It should not be like we're here

40:09

feeling not great. So that's why there

40:12

are situations where it's more in terms

40:14

of mindset, focus and trying to keep

40:16

him focused on the right stuff which

40:19

you know ultimately will be good for

40:21

him, will be good for the team

40:23

and will be good for all of

40:26

us. Do you think he's been put

40:28

under an unfair amount of pressure coming

40:30

in? Yeah. I think the guy was

40:33

already all over the media before he

40:35

even got to race in a phone.

40:37

So I think you need to give

40:40

the guy some time and time will

40:42

tell. But in this position, because he

40:44

was given the chance, was given the

40:47

chance because people believe in him in

40:49

the first place. And it's a tough

40:51

environment. It's always going to be pressure,

40:54

they're always going to be talks. What's

40:56

unfair is the fact that not everybody

40:58

gets talked the same way. and this

41:01

is something I don't like, I won't

41:03

change it myself, I've seen it all

41:05

as well, but for a given situation,

41:08

you know, that's life, you don't always

41:10

get the same treatment and that's how

41:12

it is, but at the end of

41:15

the day, regardless of all the noise,

41:17

etc. I think as an athlete it's

41:19

important to stay focused in the right

41:22

targets and try, you know, to shield

41:24

yourself the best way you can, so

41:26

I learned it my way. through my

41:29

own challenges and all my own obstacles

41:31

and mistakes etc. But if it can

41:33

come useful and handy for, you know,

41:36

my teammates, which I appreciate and who

41:38

I need to perform for the championship

41:40

and for the team, I'll support very

41:43

happily. Looking at Franco Colopinto, he's the

41:45

reserve driver, do you see positives in

41:47

him being with the team? Because that's

41:50

where a lot of the pressure for

41:52

Jack has come from. I mean, at

41:54

the end of the day, I love

41:57

Franco as well and he's doing extremely

41:59

well. and I'm sure he has his

42:01

place on the grids, but I think

42:03

we should not forget every team has

42:06

got a reserve driver. I was

42:08

a reserve driver at Redball, I

42:10

was a reserve driver at Tauroso.

42:12

I wanted the seats of the main

42:14

drivers. I like the main drivers,

42:16

but I'm not here to just

42:19

watch, I'm here to race. Any

42:21

reserve driver wants the race seats of

42:23

the teams they are in, regardless of

42:25

who you are. And when Jack was

42:27

reserve driver last year. Esteban and myself

42:29

are there and we know we want

42:31

to race in one of our car.

42:34

It's it's normal That's the normal dynamic

42:36

of of a race team and Franco

42:38

is there and obviously wants to race

42:40

and you know I hope for him

42:42

is we're gonna see him on the

42:45

grid Soon because it's proven to be

42:47

a you know a very strong driver

42:49

But it's more like it's just the

42:51

natural dynamic. There is no need to

42:53

extrapolate or made extra You know,

42:55

it's just that's how it is. It's

42:57

always been in a fun voice

43:00

of experience speaking there Just

43:02

a couple more things. Can we go

43:04

outside of formula one now? You've

43:06

got the football team Yeah, F

43:08

C Versailles I saw they were playing rule

43:10

on the other day by the way

43:12

your hometown You're watching third division with

43:15

French football, and I saw it was

43:17

one I read that I read that

43:19

I read that message to Versa Guys,

43:21

please don't beat these people. I want

43:24

to get out of here alive, right?

43:26

Go to my family back home, please.

43:28

Keep everybody safe. Are you enjoying

43:30

the footi? You've also got the

43:32

paddle team as well? Yeah. You're

43:34

expending. You've got what's of

43:37

interest outside of motorspool? I've

43:39

always had that curiosity

43:41

and interest. You know, beside

43:43

formula one, I always say when

43:45

we are in the padoc, people kind

43:47

of know. 10% of who we are,

43:50

really, because we come here with

43:52

a race driver, I'm in my

43:54

work environment, I work in a

43:56

certain way, but it's almost like,

43:59

I mean... to that not like

44:01

robot, but I know exactly what I

44:03

come here for and it's just for

44:05

work. It doesn't display who I am

44:07

or who I think or who I

44:10

like, come out of the car after

44:12

two minutes with all this emotion and

44:14

I'm quite emotional person. I speak on

44:16

TV and people got that vision of,

44:18

okay, that guy is like that, he

44:21

used these words, say these words, he

44:23

might think or be like that. But

44:25

at the end of the day, we

44:27

all humans, we all go back home.

44:29

get back home on a Sunday night,

44:32

sit down on my coach. And there

44:34

are other stuff I like in life

44:36

and in my life, which actually helped

44:38

me to balance that pressure I have

44:40

in my work environments, which I don't,

44:43

it's not my work, it's my passion,

44:45

but in Formula One. And I balance

44:47

it with that interest in other stuff.

44:49

So yes, sport is obviously a big

44:52

part of my life. I've always been

44:54

a massive football fan. I played when

44:56

I was a kid, always had that

44:58

desire to be involved in some in

45:00

some ways. took a great decision to

45:03

stop football at 11 and focus on

45:05

counting but then I've always had that

45:07

desire to somehow remain in this environment

45:09

competitive which I just love football I

45:11

just love the game and yeah I

45:14

decided to invest in FCSI on a

45:16

long-term project because it's a third division

45:18

team and we aspire to... What are

45:20

your ambitions for the team? Yeah I

45:23

always said very high goals to myself

45:25

because that's what... drives me to work

45:27

hard and put a lot of efforts.

45:29

But hopefully one day we see Versailles

45:31

in the first league. At the same

45:34

time I'm objective. It's not something that's

45:36

going to happen over the next three

45:38

years. It's probably more like a five

45:40

to eight years project. But I'm with

45:42

other corners. You know what they say

45:45

about football? It costs a lot of

45:47

money. How do you make a small

45:49

fortune out of football? You start with

45:51

a big one? Well, the good thing

45:54

is I can't talk to Flavio about

45:56

it because it's true Queen's Park Rangers.

45:58

Exactly. It did it did invest in

46:00

football. well so but yeah I got

46:02

the paddle team you play in the

46:05

paddle team right I don't play no

46:07

I don't play I'm just owner they're

46:09

they are like professional players we do

46:11

have professional players in the competition and

46:13

I just enjoy also seeing the other

46:16

side of using my knowledge as an

46:18

athlete the sort of extremely high

46:20

standard we got in formula

46:22

one for us to perform and try

46:25

to provide some of that to a

46:27

level which is not as professional as

46:29

the one I mean. So like this

46:31

I can give a platform in a

46:34

sort of environment where people can really

46:36

excel in what they're doing. And also

46:38

like we got like very young players

46:40

coming in trying to give them a

46:43

chance to you know take off and

46:45

get their own career. I think it's

46:47

quite satisfying and something I enjoy. And

46:50

yeah, it's not only in the sport

46:52

I've got other... investment more in

46:54

tech and you know like I

46:56

love being part of a story

46:58

and journey something that starts and

47:00

actually open myself to world

47:02

that I don't know perfectly just to learn

47:04

to learn more because at the end

47:06

of the day you know I just

47:08

want to be wiser when I retire

47:10

than than the one I know. You're

47:12

not someone who gets bored are you? No,

47:14

no people around me will say

47:17

it's pretty hard to keep up

47:19

with definitely my girlfriend though way.

47:21

doesn't always enjoy this hectic

47:23

life, but that's just why I'm

47:25

I gotta be only told all

47:28

the time and wired and it

47:30

also helps me kind of

47:32

like whenever I get back in

47:34

that paddock I just close

47:36

myself and it's I get

47:39

like a sharper type of focus

47:41

into the biggest job in

47:43

my life and to achieve my

47:45

biggest dream. Do you want to

47:47

see the team improve this car

47:50

or Do you want to see them throw

47:52

everything at 2026? I want to go big

47:54

so, you know, I've told them already

47:56

since last year to me. Maybe a

47:58

good thing I don't manage. the finance but

48:00

if it was down to me I'll

48:02

put all that money all on next

48:04

year because if you ask me I don't

48:06

actually care finishing sevens six

48:09

eight nine or ten I want to

48:11

be on the podium and I want

48:13

to be winning I know this year

48:15

doesn't matter how much money we put

48:17

we won't be able to close that

48:20

gap with McLaren and and the top

48:22

runner where next year as a

48:24

team I see a huge opportunity and

48:26

we could be fighting for the World

48:28

Championship in 2026 if we do the

48:30

right, if we take the right steps

48:33

and make the right decisions for next

48:35

year. So to me it's a very

48:37

clear decision. The strategy is

48:39

already decided, you know. By strategy, you

48:41

mean what, Mercedes power? Yes, and also

48:43

in the way that we're going to

48:46

develop our car for next year and

48:48

the focus for it, but there is

48:50

much more... to achieve as a team

48:52

in 2026 than we'll be able to

48:54

do in 25. And that's why I'm

48:57

really exciting because I think we could

48:59

see Albin winning races in 26. Exciting

49:01

times ahead, definitely. Pierre, thank

49:03

you very much. Just before

49:05

you go, this final question

49:07

I'm asking everybody this year on

49:09

the podcast. What is your favorite

49:12

moment from the 75-year history

49:14

of this great sport? My

49:21

favorite moment. I guess I'll have

49:23

to go is my win in Monza.

49:25

It's the obvious one, but yeah,

49:27

the emotions I've had on

49:30

that day were unique and I

49:32

don't think it will be ever

49:34

forgotten for me in my

49:36

life. So probably that was

49:38

the most emotional and mocking

49:40

moment in my career. Obviously for

49:43

F1 itself in 75 years, so

49:45

many things happened. But personally that

49:47

was the... more special one. It

49:49

was an awesome moment. Thank you

49:51

very much for this chat pier.

49:54

Great to see you again. Good

49:56

luck. Thank you. Who

50:02

can forget Pierre's win at Monza? I

50:04

still remember seeing him sitting on

50:06

the podium next to his trophy,

50:08

long after the fanfare had ended,

50:10

just soaking it all up. I

50:13

thoroughly enjoyed catching up with Pierre

50:15

again. There's an assured confidence about

50:17

him now, something that comes with

50:19

a greater understanding of the sport

50:21

and knowing what opportunities there are.

50:23

If the chance to win presents

50:25

itself this year, I'm sure he'll

50:27

grab it with open arms. Pierre,

50:29

thanks for your time. See you

50:31

at a racetrack again soon. Now,

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