0:35

The mistakes and bad races

0:37

keep you awake at night.

0:39

Do we are a? to

0:41

keep me awake for a few days

0:43

It's probably more pain

0:46

in losing then toy in winning.

0:50

Toto Wolff spoke those words in

0:52

October twenty twenty. That

0:54

they hit even harder today

0:56

given the dramatic climate to the twenty

0:59

one and one season.

1:04

Malcolm, everybody f one be on the

1:06

great I'm Tom Clarkson and. If

1:08

we build up to the start of our brand

1:10

new. The reason of the show on?

1:12

They say the sixteenth of March way

1:14

revisiting some of our favor. Episodes

1:17

from the Bank catalog. And my chat

1:19

with the Mercedes team, Prince. The pool is

1:22

definitely a favorite if

1:24

you haven't heard this before it's window

1:26

into the mind of one of f ones most.

1:29

The at home. The am passionate figures

1:32

I'm listening to it today and, can

1:34

understand how much toto would have been

1:36

stung by losing out on

1:39

the twenty one drivers championships

1:41

and how badly he wants

1:43

to win both titles in twenty two

1:46

Lewis Hamilton Max the stop and valve

1:48

three boss has Nico Rosberg and

1:51

the late great Nikki louder all

1:53

seats are in this conversation we.

1:55

recorded it in photos home office

1:57

in oxford in the uk with the

2:00

You strike me sitting on his desk

2:03

with.

2:09

The construct his trophy.

2:11

Something that I'm proud of and or is

2:13

one sense for thing on a constructor's

2:15

trophy is that I always look

2:17

at the empty. It for the current

2:20

championship, don't look at the Masuda stars

2:22

or previous champions are only look on the empty

2:24

space and twenty as your motivation

2:27

everybody's he comes here that. No,

2:29

my motivations is another motivation, thrive

2:32

in the morning, not a constructive stuff, it is

2:34

hidden in my office.

2:36

I. See, know what do we call it the bull in the back

2:38

as well, that's when you're this for those you don't know what

2:40

does that mean the ball in the bay? Or other representation

2:43

of the stock market, bull market bear market

2:46

and pieces my pals and is actually

2:48

what I'm doing awesome. The is still

2:51

a. A city boy at heart.

2:53

The summer gracing boy and

2:55

the city boy were in Oxford

2:58

right in the heart of motor sport valley

3:00

aren't we in given? that you

3:02

could have chosen any way to live how important

3:04

is it for you to be right here

3:07

In our to do I think when you're running

3:09

a team there is no other way by

3:11

being close to the factory and being close

3:14

to the people and, damn

3:17

when I decided to jump in full time

3:19

but Williams in two thousand and twelve. i

3:22

moved to oxford and obviously my wife

3:24

likes it and saw it has

3:26

been the place where we spend most of the time

3:29

when heard once that

3:30

That you have lots of team principles to dinner

3:33

I did once around the Grand Prix.

3:36

Damn hosted a deny thing was Friday

3:38

or Saturday night and, india

3:40

was started fighting with each other so it was

3:43

be damned presence i didn't invite

3:45

any afterwards anymore When

3:47

I did than only one or two of them.

3:50

Really to sucks slanging match to the

3:52

be in the middle of dinner or feel

3:54

slow there was lagging each other or are like

3:57

children in the kindergarten now.

3:59

so much Us we spend here. Then.

4:02

Norman and former New Orleans cost is not a

4:04

normal year I'm, spending more

4:07

than two hundred days and around two hundred

4:09

night in hotel rooms, so I would

4:11

be. Coming back to Oxford to feed a, family

4:14

and then spend some time with my elder children

4:16

in Vienna but less so as they

4:18

grow up, their muffins out.

4:21

Of school in the military service

4:23

and middle to sixteen so they haven't got great

4:25

desire to. see the father so

4:27

i would say lots of them given the as many

4:29

so much time away is missing home

4:32

one of the reasons why so heavily

4:35

about your future thought heavily about

4:37

the future because the question asked

4:39

myself to wear want to be team

4:41

manager Forever.

4:44

The neat trick pony, but they like actually

4:47

reminded myself that my of.

4:49

The interest in finance and I was

4:51

still doing it, but became so focused

4:54

in my daily job running the team that

4:56

everything else was pushed aside. And

4:59

came to the conclusion that. What

5:02

do? My. Passion,

5:04

really like to work with all the people in the team

5:07

enjoy going to the racing because love the stopwatch

5:10

and the honesty about it and

5:12

then the. Same time we are the crossroads in the spot

5:14

where teams turn from negative

5:16

results the profitability so this is actually

5:19

a good space to be in this is a.

5:21

place where can combine the game my

5:24

Interest for finance and moderate

5:26

thing.

5:27

As a team boss would have you got

5:29

to achieve if you take to those

5:31

boxes seventy yeah of course you can say

5:34

no I'm leaving on high one.

5:36

six championships with broken some records

5:39

and If I go and

5:41

if were to do this.

5:42

You would never see me and a better again, but Anna

5:44

thought about all the people in accompanied

5:47

I wouldn't want to let down thought about

5:49

the opportunities that lie ahead of us. Not

5:52

only to spotting opportunities but we have just

5:54

created them applied science division within

5:56

the team that. is going strong

5:59

i He. A

6:01

bright future for the team and former

6:03

one content sports content in general,

6:06

something that is absolutely the,

6:08

flavor of the month people are desperate

6:11

to buy into sports content. In sports franchises

6:13

and here I am I'm lucky to

6:15

own a chunk of team and that is doing well,

6:18

so why would I want to leave the

6:21

space if? enjoy what we actually

6:23

do motor racing. and

6:26

i'm interested in developing the value of the team

6:28

and helping to develop the value of from iowa

6:31

Would you ever consider having one hundred

6:33

percent Euro in Grand Prix, Teen Wolf? Grandpre

6:36

Northwest.

6:36

What is not a the great Omen? I think you don't

6:38

want cut it board and there is no

6:40

product V that I couldn't

6:42

do. look like some other companies end.

6:45

, I think with the partner Missy Dispensense

6:48

am really staggered every time

6:50

think about it does not many people

6:52

out that it can see their, partner

6:55

with? Mercedes Benz I'm doing this

6:57

since a few years now my relationship

6:59

to the time the management. is intact

7:03

A modern intact so

7:05

I don't see any sense in running

7:07

a total team because the power

7:10

of the brain must see this is so

7:12

strong I. feel honored to

7:14

represent them

7:15

The new negotiations with them are,

7:17

you see, king more responsibility

7:20

bumps on the road car side as well as

7:22

former one.

7:23

We discussed were dog pursuit

7:25

transition into the road cassette

7:28

but. it's not for me I'm not

7:31

a big corporation guy.

7:33

I'm always had my own companies and I

7:35

think this the. all a clean use

7:37

in the other board members very much value this

7:40

The competitive, advantage

7:42

within the Diamond a multinational company

7:44

that the teams from very entrepreneur

7:47

very entrepreneurial way. so

7:49

no there's no desire and going on the

7:51

automotive sat and

8:00

Otoh often says that all two thousand

8:02

people who work for Mercedes are

8:04

equally important to one of them was

8:06

perhaps a little more special than

8:08

most Nikki. louder was

8:10

miss sadie's non executive chairman

8:13

he was the team's talisman and inspiration

8:15

he was totally right hand man and

8:18

friends The

8:20

database or Mercedes goes from contenders

8:23

to conquer is. Then. Three time world

8:25

champion death in May, twenty nine

8:27

scenes at the age of seventy saddened

8:30

everyone in the sports and just

8:32

six days later Lewis

8:34

Hamilton, one the Monaco Grand Prix. For

8:36

the team, Nikki had convinced him

8:38

to join, so doesn't speak to the drivers

8:41

on the radio very often, but that

8:43

day he had something to say.

8:48

Wearing the crash helmet dollars and make the loudest

8:50

Lewis Hamilton is a winner other

8:53

Monaco Grand Prix lose,

8:56

that was victory was sneaky ways

8:58

not have believe of tough conversation

9:05

How do you still feel Nicky's lot?

9:08

Nikki was a very important part

9:10

in the team is she presence gave.

9:13

us support and doubt the

9:15

most important is that i lost a friend The

9:18

didn't I grew to get over the last

9:20

few years. Like one of my best friends,

9:23

spent more time with him and with

9:25

anybody else we traveled together,

9:27

we raised together. recently

9:31

dinner.

9:33

Again in you

9:35

know on older a strikes and,

9:37

suddenly That he had

9:40

taken away.

9:41

And that was quite a difficult

9:44

process for me to firstly digest losing.

9:46

friend but then also digesting getting

9:49

over the fact that very

9:51

human important side for me

9:53

on my journey from one to one was suddenly gone

9:56

When you reflect on him now and think

9:58

about Nikki louder. What makes you smile?

10:01

I think about Nikki panic smile

10:04

all the time because we had so

10:06

much fun together so much laughing

10:08

about racing, and

10:10

about the norm and world, mean

10:13

truly lying on the floor or with

10:15

to permeate because we were like a laughing

10:17

so. much and

10:20

so many stories that i can tell because

10:22

they are probably not appropriate to

10:25

combine your podcast But I also

10:28

saw an equal out that changed

10:30

throughout the years when we were thrown

10:32

into this adventure to get was very difficult

10:34

to first six months because none of us would relinquish

10:37

control.

10:39

Though it came to a crucial

10:41

point would dime the board said are

10:43

you know we need to clear his and invited us to meeting

10:45

on to the airport and?

10:47

damn Right? In front of the door

10:50

where the board member said inside Nikki

10:52

reached out his hands at with, to

10:54

stop this list to get I think we can be more.

10:56

Successful to get in and alone, and

10:58

from that moment on we went

11:00

from strength to strength and we never had any

11:02

conflict. anymore he stopped

11:05

to appreciate my strengths

11:07

and accept my weaknesses and on the

11:09

other side he had lots of

11:11

strength and also weaknesses and we were just complementary

11:14

One. Thing that made us laugh a lot I'm not very good

11:16

in the morning, but I can go very long and evening

11:19

Nicky's blood after six o'clock in the morning

11:21

because he. Doesn't know what to do but wants to go to

11:23

bed at eight o'clock in the evening, so Nikki came

11:25

up with the concept that we actually working in two

11:27

shifts between. the morning

11:29

shift and i'm doing the evening she's

11:31

We just come out from the nurburgring do you think

11:34

is Nicky when you're at the nurburgring

11:36

and my mind goes back to nineteen,

11:39

seventy six and his crash it burglar,

11:41

I think about meet every single day?

11:43

The race the mod home is to so present

11:46

and, a new bickering there's one funny

11:48

episode that the No

11:51

eleven years ago, I wanted to do a quick

11:53

lap around the nurburgring Ring, Nikki said: "This

11:55

is so stupid nobody actually cares

11:57

how quick you go around the nurburgring

12:00

And it's too dangerous anyway and then

12:02

I did it and it wasn't very successful mean

12:04

that be the time but also crashed the car

12:06

with a bunch of and. he said i told

12:09

you to super stupid Damn,

12:11

that was what I remember that he's in

12:13

my in my thoughts every single day.

12:16

Have you ever been out? The burglary

12:19

and actually stopped and. seen

12:21

the scene of his accident. No, never.

12:24

It's just one part of me, his

12:26

life to the admire lot because you can see

12:29

his resilience. That.

12:31

Going to the place was never important for

12:33

me, I just know about one story where

12:36

he went there when did it documentary,

12:39

and there was a bus with some tourists that.

12:41

Stop than the couldn't believe to be funny to louder

12:44

and, one of his guys handed niki of

12:46

half croissant. and nikki picked

12:48

it up and said i found my ear found

12:50

my ear And everybody was

12:52

pretty shocked but. no particular

12:54

the memory on the backward every time a pastor

12:56

to the racing caught thought about him though

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14:28

On the subject to the Nord Slicer, I don't know

14:30

whether you heard it when we were some at

14:33

the nurburgring Ring, the organizers.

14:36

Want to bring modern formula one

14:38

to the note's life? Go home

14:40

until get involved, he says, "It's going to"

14:43

Or? Something like hundred million euros to get the track

14:45

up the speeds and then that

14:47

thinking about having I think

14:50

the race they once every four years and an

14:52

Olympics is what. , your thoughts

14:54

on the North Slicer and modern

14:56

Foreman one I love the not nicer

14:59

and love the move agreeing and

15:01

love the isis actually I'm

15:03

not allowed? To see that's my wife says you like

15:05

the nautilus it and you love me, but

15:08

love it. anyway so No

15:10

chance think it,

15:13

is much too dangerous like it is today it

15:15

has no run off areas it has so

15:17

much bumps and jumps at the

15:19

Formula One car would never. drive

15:22

there safely at speed and

15:24

if you would touch do not like to make it

15:26

fun little uncomfortable You would destroy.

15:29

The whole DNA of the track let's

15:31

just leave it like it is it a thing

15:33

from the past to the car's race stand

15:35

or dead is pretty dangerous I,

15:37

think we should go out there and enjoy your lap

15:39

with an armored car are we to spot? that's

15:42

not destroy The last

15:44

clinic racetrack.

15:46

And you think you would have to destroy it to

15:49

get it ready for Formula One modern formula

15:51

absolutely would need to repay?

15:54

to whole thing you would need to take the crests

15:56

and compressions away because

15:58

modern former one

16:00

Not all the bump with the under fifty case

16:02

it would just fly away dairies.

16:04

two hundred odd corners you would need to create

16:06

run off areas because it's so fast

16:10

I thought you'd be like you realize that

16:13

thought that's interesting, thought know if you,

16:15

if you make it a formula one car, would run of heresy,

16:17

destroy the whole thing.

16:20

The appeal of the modular for dead is dangerous

16:22

and it's good that it that is a relief of the past.

16:25

Really. That finished this from

16:27

man.

16:28

Who almost died at the nurburgring Ring

16:30

years ago, yeah, and this is what makes the appeal

16:33

of the nurburgring

16:34

You need to break if you want go faster,

16:36

you need to be. On the case.

16:39

Everybody who raises their that,

16:41

series speeds will come back

16:43

and tell you that you're not. angst

16:46

frida and everybody who's participated

16:48

in a twenty four hour race We'll

16:50

tell you that it's freaking scary

16:53

in the night in the rain in the fog

16:56

with, paddle push down to the

16:58

floor, and this is what makes

17:00

the, race see

17:05

where. he was afraid he totally

17:07

normal Oh.

17:27

Even groceries got the hardest job. That

17:30

any driver in the bit like? The little

17:32

yes, my three as tremendous

17:34

talent and the great work ethic see

17:36

somebody to very intelligent, confident

17:39

and resilient. Those are skeptical

17:42

about his on performances in this is the ingredient

17:44

actually to be very successful,

17:46

but he happens to go against.

17:49

The Time World Champion. Somebody

17:51

does just one ninety one races and,

17:54

he knows that but it's actually pushes

17:56

him and if you look at his performances

17:59

he The been on board at least three times

18:02

this year and just missed out with tiny margin

18:04

he could or should have one maybe two or three

18:06

more races this year if safety.

18:09

cause or braces being

18:11

stopped wouldn't have worked against him and

18:13

he knows that and we know that Then. Feel

18:15

he is more competitive, busier than

18:17

he was in any previous season, if

18:20

you're absolutely because you just need to look at the

18:22

stats is he wouldn't have DNA

18:24

left in. New book think he would have had

18:26

fifty percent chance at least to win the race

18:29

and, same way he was in the lead in which lot. and

18:32

few other races that i don't even remember where

18:34

she could have one so a championship

18:36

wouldn't would have been little bit But

18:39

it is what it is to this motorway

18:41

think lose lost the championship in two thousand

18:43

sixteen also because he had engine.

18:46

failure in malaysia

18:48

So. This is how to spot go,

18:50

sometimes an algae film Foundry

18:52

was on the Sunday night of nurburgring

18:55

does he know now that might

18:57

be the moment when it slipped away? By

18:59

to, he wasn't happy, I saw him off to

19:01

the reason saw him on the airport, and you could clearly

19:03

see that it was a moment. Where

19:06

is that hurt?

19:07

And. Harter Lawton: I think if you're racing

19:09

driver with he's ambition and

19:11

ambition is to become a world champion and

19:14

realize you've just got the big

19:16

hit for this year's ambition.

19:18

That is difficult swallow, but on

19:20

the other side he's been so resilient and is I'm

19:23

sure. Continue to boost his

19:25

championships and next year. The

19:27

not ago.

19:28

Why do you think the dynamic between you two

19:30

guys work so well they are totally

19:32

different characters, but the most important

19:35

is that?

19:35

The do the talking on the track there's no political

19:38

games between them there's.

19:40

no hiding a state of the exchange

19:42

that happens in the briefings is actually The

19:45

Ever seen They Would Share Experiences,

19:48

out on track set up information

19:51

and them i've never seen any

19:53

difficult moment between the two and

19:55

that is very important factor because we

19:57

are traveling circus we go to the strikes

19:59

twenty two The year we spend lot of

20:01

time with each other and if the two drivers

20:04

fight. that creates negative

20:07

momentum negative dynamic into team and

20:09

none of that has ever happened since about three times

20:11

team And on the track like

20:14

you seen the Nurburgring the race each other heart

20:16

without, ever colliding and because

20:19

the us The friend, there is competition

20:21

on track, but not out of there.

20:24

And. How different is it to how it

20:26

was before about rejoin when nico rosberg

20:28

was in the thing we shouldn't be judgmental I'm

20:30

on characters I like to speak

20:32

to nico to? The, and think the things

20:34

he does around sustainability, a

20:36

really great, some things in the

20:38

relationship between nicu and lose we would never

20:41

understand because it goes back many

20:43

years. From go karting into junior.

20:45

formulas and how it all grew

20:48

from

20:50

Camaraderie to. rivalry

20:53

Who animosity something

20:55

that we were spectators off but the dynamic

20:58

the dynamics of what happened between them was

21:00

very difficult to actually follow and?

21:03

damn they just fell out pretty early

21:06

on actually when i joined in two thousand six

21:08

thirteen and it got worse and worse and worse how

21:10

difficult was it to manage

21:12

It. Was very difficult because when you have

21:14

so much negativity in the room has it

21:16

that blatant eat beset with the engineers

21:19

need to feel the negative, it's yeah

21:21

there was a. (Mellow) That you would dominating former

21:23

one in twenty four thousand, whether there was a lot

21:25

of negativity and that would drag the

21:27

whole room down. We came

21:29

to point where we said. That's just

21:32

not feasible anymore and.

21:34

we talked about it but the animosity

21:36

between the drivers was still there And

21:39

much beyond the point that Nico retired

21:42

and that's why so refreshing that since

21:44

the year like rejoined, we haven't had any of

21:46

that because they will be some signs listening to this

21:49

saying.

21:50

Out or why didn't you just throw in Max?

21:52

for stop on alongside lewis hamilton

21:55

The was so a different. Dynamic

21:57

in different narrative. Right?

22:00

It does great job for us.

22:02

And Louise does a great job for us

22:04

and they are still at the peak of their performance

22:06

levers and we have to, and yes,

22:08

that are coming up and have been with us for many years

22:11

and. Would be the future for us so

22:13

this is what we look at and, the

22:16

situation or on Max doesn't provide

22:18

any opportunity now he's. bound

22:21

to red bulls i respect

22:23

his loyalty a lot I

22:25

think it's important for Red

22:27

Bull to have Mac. There's

22:29

a lot of narrative around that and Red Bull was.

22:32

Pick them up from their very

22:34

early on when he joins Tar also saw

22:37

situation is what it is, and

22:39

it's good for him and good for us is your

22:41

success, tennis with little

22:43

bit of regret that there hasn't been stronger

22:46

position over the last six

22:48

years. I think you need to stay humble,

22:50

of course. The enjoy we

22:53

try to enjoy the success we head

22:55

into success we will pretty having the future try.

22:58

to build an organization that is brazilian

23:00

to regulatory change and stays on top

23:02

of the game What

23:05

realized on the new buckling a game

23:07

is that we love the competition.

23:10

When we see a red bull coming up and

23:12

steam close to us, not quite sure

23:14

whether we win the race, I enjoy

23:17

it. The positive reside much more

23:19

than on and on a weekend where we are. Left

23:22

unchallenged but. in on the other

23:24

side

23:26

Careful. What you wish for he epic is do

23:28

think and twenty one Red Bull might

23:31

pose a serious threat

23:33

because the cause of staying the same seems

23:36

to me they've closed. The gap over the course

23:38

of the seats and then they won't lose that

23:40

momentum over the winter with the build of new

23:42

card you think they'll be proper. Threat next.

23:45

I think it's the law of diminishing

23:47

returns the. long a regulation

23:49

stay stable to more teams will

23:51

catch up because obviously

23:53

the development cost of the leadoff

23:56

the packers gonna flatten out and

23:58

yeah the ones over time we'd still The steep

24:00

development costs, but this seems to

24:02

be.

24:04

Not. understood within the decision

24:06

makers who think that changing

24:08

don't the rules every two or three years is the

24:11

lottery that is linked with it is gonna

24:13

may be changed a pecking. Order so in

24:15

way changing regulations, false ever

24:17

see years is actually the optimal.

24:20

It's clear that with stable regulations next

24:22

year, Red Bull is going get closer. The

24:24

very much looking forward to that, it is very

24:26

much our opinion from everything is sold

24:29

in our company, bring it on, that's what

24:31

we thrive on. The

24:33

need to challenge. Let

24:36

me know there will be, I get free

24:38

food.

24:41

Michael Schumacher has company

24:44

sporting history made the

24:46

ring. Here are

24:49

you?

24:58

L.

25:07

Your. I

25:10

see image.

25:12

Conversations with Louis

25:14

right now about his future, and of course

25:17

the last contract you did, you did it

25:19

with Nikki, and now you're negotiating

25:21

on his own of I have read that situation correctly.

25:24

I think we owe it to negate the even have loosened

25:27

a team because he.

25:29

pushed very hard

25:30

In two thousand twelve and Singapore was the

25:33

was actually demand to,

25:35

lure lose away from a clown intimacy

25:37

it isn't that was bold move from both sides

25:40

because Meteor to. in open up

25:42

his for money and luis had to take

25:44

decision that to go from top

25:46

team into

25:48

The team with potential in the great brand but clearly

25:50

not a front runner so, he was

25:52

I'm key part pick them. and

25:55

since then the last time around to the last two times

25:57

around i was negotiating the contract

26:00

Ten hours and lose his apartment, followed

26:02

by be tough and it was pretty,

26:05

I'm pretty easy and

26:07

straightforward, losing are completely

26:09

aligned in what we do and

26:11

we recognize that there is one day. Every

26:14

three years where we have. Subject

26:16

is to differ.

26:18

The in a way we know that and it uncomfortable

26:20

for the bowl suppose because negotiating

26:22

with friend is. always difficult

26:24

but big that our heads around it and that the entry

26:26

for his come out with compromise

26:29

you know the best deal isn't both parties feel that it's

26:31

not great and this is bill how we felt every

26:33

single time said it's okay

26:35

Andrew Sibling, your chief trackside

26:37

engineer, was saying at the weekend how Lewis

26:39

has evolved and improved

26:41

as a driver in the A, is that he's been

26:43

at Mercedes. How

26:45

do you feel A?

26:47

He's. Evolved unchanged both,

26:49

a nano to the cockpit I think talking

26:52

about and shoveling is somebody that

26:54

has, in a same way like lose

26:56

evolved tremendously from the first

26:58

the. I met him he's not a person

27:00

I, met in two thousand and thirteen is

27:02

not the end zone and is not the shelf but

27:04

we know today and has. Been fan

27:07

really important part also to get the best out

27:09

of Louis and Louis himself was.

27:11

always inspires me is

27:13

how analytical and how skeptical

27:16

he's about his on level of performance

27:19

When you listen to his d briefs when his wanna

27:21

raise never thing is a good example, we

27:24

spent forty five minutes from the briefing his

27:26

race. The could have left

27:28

quickly and gone but there's so much hard work

27:30

that is invisible everybody else

27:32

and oh some of those kid things okay to suspect

27:34

be racing units with fun and then we we,

27:37

dash off and Louis does the country and.

27:40

the development of him out

27:43

of the car Amazing

27:46

a, trust he has given to the team

27:48

over those years has evolved, and

27:50

them would indicate on thing we need

27:52

to even comment home he's clearly.

27:55

to the best guy of this generation

27:57

but how do you feel he's improved in

27:59

the Because the engineers.

28:02

Diaz do you think he, has

28:04

as well I mean think the way the

28:06

ingenious and lose cooperative has

28:08

changed a lot because obviously engineers

28:11

and to disregard the

28:13

driver's opinion to look at data?

28:16

and to drive very much feels less

28:19

the sides with that comment

28:22

And I think what we were able over

28:24

the last year's to really align

28:27

the perspectives of both sides and.

28:29

get best out of the data Then.

28:32

Based out of Louis and today, we

28:34

have a situation that trust each other

28:36

and eighty something that is very important: real situations

28:39

where lose makes cold and

28:42

engine. Escape that sounds right

28:44

and, on the other side ingenious make accord and loose

28:46

with say. that sounds right can

28:49

you describe what it's been like

28:51

to ride the wave of success

28:54

with lois

28:55

I think that the success we had

28:58

to each other. Is

29:00

built a great relationship

29:02

of trust from pure professional,

29:04

read relationship and skepticism

29:07

to each other, we have them really

29:09

grown together and that we

29:12

are now keep bird. And

29:15

joined good moments and we share

29:17

those good moments in the past he

29:19

would always speak to each other and text

29:21

on the Sunday or Monday off to bed race only.

29:25

Did the way we are we are Wyatt

29:28

always leaving no stone unturned

29:30

when something went bad and now we actually

29:32

keep up or since a while to remind

29:35

each other that is just good moment

29:37

that we had and, I

29:39

like it alot have to change a Sunday

29:41

night? and monday Enjoy

29:44

the journey, enjoy the journey with all

29:46

its ups and downs were

29:49

quoting to his mother, we lose and went to get.

29:52

The Lewis says statistics

29:54

don't matter to him. In

29:56

spite of the fact, is just a cool micro shoemaker's

29:59

ninety one when. Does

30:01

that matter to you?

30:03

salute leave Iraq stats or

30:06

something from the past and,

30:08

apart from a few insiders and my mother

30:10

nobody's really interested How

30:12

many races as won championship? When?

30:15

You're about to break the record for

30:17

the number of consecutive titles, does that

30:20

mean anything to you know it doesn't because

30:22

it's the past I want to do

30:24

a job and? seek affection,

30:26

in what I do and what we do every

30:29

single day and only think about tomorrow

30:31

can't tell you how we feel about it

30:33

when lived. Spot one day or when

30:35

I'm older might be looking back and say. great

30:38

but i think those records don't meddle

30:41

Who thinks about how many rings

30:43

Phil Jackson has one who thinks

30:45

about how many superbowl Tom Brady has

30:47

one of how many Champions League wins?

30:50

Though my door kloppers been, it's completely

30:52

could just interests", he said.

30:55

And in their perspective, we need to think outside of

30:57

our macrocosmos, so where's the satisfaction

31:00

for you, the satisfaction is about

31:02

enjoying? What I

31:04

do?

31:05

The everything today is the relationships

31:07

with the people. The building an organization

31:09

that is resilient. The an organization

31:12

that is successful. And

31:14

that translates. The into

31:17

a stopwatch. I like to compete.

31:20

The mistakes and bad races

31:22

keep you awake at night. They do we are.

31:25

Then to keep me awake for a few days. Damn.

31:29

It's probably more pain

31:32

in losing then toy in winning. That

31:35

keeps me on my toes. Hello

31:40

will, get

31:52

Listen to separate

31:55

time finals. I

31:58

agree.

32:10

So.

32:11

Monza. With the clothes, Pitlane

32:14

Russia with Lewis's practice

32:16

starts in the wrong place, how,

32:19

are you after those I mean we will have explanations

32:22

why it happened and that's why? You can

32:24

get your head around it, but absolutely

32:26

avoidable mistakes from everybody

32:28

and something that we're not gonna do more than

32:30

once we need to learn and

32:33

be honest about it. And desist was strengths

32:35

of the team. that we never blame

32:38

a person

32:39

The group we only blame the problem

32:42

why do you never go on the podium because

32:44

I'm having so much visibility into media

32:46

anyway that? i like

32:48

to have the podium for the

32:51

unsung heroes

32:53

Everybody who contributes to the team's success

32:55

in the same way I contribute. Should

32:58

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33:35

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33:38

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33:40

on to report? On the podium in two thousand and fourteen

33:42

when Lose won the championship because

33:44

it was our first championship.

33:48

The and felt. It. You

33:51

know, that was something to be proud of. The

33:53

haven't been since then.

33:55

That, you know, the last time a new agreeing,

33:57

the guy said to me to gonna put me in chains

33:59

and. Wake me up to podium.

34:02

And. When there's nothing I could do against

34:05

that, let's see that would try to hide when it's

34:07

about winning a championship, can ask you about

34:09

racing point now there's

34:11

Ferrari earlier. In the year about

34:13

what was called the Pink Mercedes,

34:16

how worried did you get during that

34:18

song, I think the whole?

34:20

Episode was not good performer to one and

34:22

you kind of understand some of the teams that

34:24

suddenly got beaten by a team that was running

34:26

six to seven, cinder construct championship

34:28

and said, "Be fighting for third and

34:30

that certainly create"

34:32

Questions How is that possible

34:35

can? wander you reverse engineer car

34:37

and be

34:39

forming on that level and I accept

34:41

that position of. on the other side

34:43

we know perfectly well that racing

34:45

point

34:46

As a great group of people particularly narrow

34:48

dynamics a, mindset

34:51

within the team that is very strong and

34:53

in the past they wouldn't have the funds to develop

34:56

good kind it was still able to compete for the

34:58

old podium. and when they were

35:00

finally given the resource some line

35:02

stroll they did very well and

35:04

i was a fact that no part

35:07

that was not

35:08

Loud changed hands they did it

35:10

on their own in. a wind tunnel

35:13

and with the tools

35:14

The have learn to deal with and.

35:17

we deck as a said great group of people to develop

35:19

and execute on track The

35:22

guy's around. In the green.

35:25

And on track on the color looks

35:27

just to the top of the game.

35:30

One guy he's joining them is Sebastian

35:32

Vettel next year you.

35:35

said you owed it to him not

35:37

to rule him out of a drive with mercedes

35:39

straightaway did you ever as

35:41

we speak to sebastian about drive

35:43

with mercedes The bought him

35:46

and I have friends.

35:49

The we know China for quite some time

35:51

of you've never spoken to each other on what

35:53

happens on track but. when

35:56

sahrawi to decide to and

35:58

his contract The really. The

36:00

thought came up of with the Boston

36:02

be a drive false but.

36:05

i'm so loyal

36:06

To I vitry and Louis that first

36:09

needed see how our future

36:11

would go I. would never have

36:13

been able to commit to sebastian

36:17

The for knowing that our to drivers would want

36:19

to continue, and that's why there was

36:21

actually never any conversation.

36:23

Apart from socializing that went

36:25

anywhere and to Boston very much respected

36:28

and to think he will relish

36:30

being back in a smaller racing

36:32

team next to do think we'll see more competitive.

36:35

sebastian vettel in twenty one than we've seen in

36:37

twenty i'm certain about that

36:40

Driver needs to feel

36:42

well within and environment needs

36:44

to be supported and need

36:46

to be looked after. And.

36:48

I believe that changing teams

36:51

will give him a fresh motivation,

36:53

he hasn't forgotten about how to drive

36:55

car he's four times world champion

36:58

and I think just momentum went. Against

37:00

him and obviously went once you're in this downward

37:03

spiral that becomes very difficult to actually

37:05

escape and. i think este

37:07

martins a fantastic brand and i think

37:09

is gonna thrive on it

37:11

We surprise that Honda'a a

37:13

pulling out formal I'm very surprised

37:15

I'm sad actually because Honda

37:17

belongs. In Formula One.

37:20

Been there for long time has,

37:23

an engine supplier and as a team owner ten

37:25

them pulling out was not completely

37:28

unexpected. but it certainly

37:31

Read, some had lasted, "We're not good for Formula One"

37:34

Then the works team relationship

37:36

to the head with Red Bull must something that

37:38

was certainly good for Red Bull and Sabini,

37:41

to feel. fulfilled avoid

37:43

they are thriving lost an engine partner

37:46

And I think it all comes down to return

37:48

on investment, whatever you put into

37:50

the sport, you need to get out of it and

37:52

if the numbers don't stack up. Investment

37:55

vs return than and standard annoying

37:58

am would always look at it.

38:00

Question whether it's the right activity and

38:02

I think that the board in Japan came to the conclusion

38:04

that it wasn't they want to focus on

38:06

electric vehicles, what you think the future

38:09

holds for Formula One? The think the

38:11

future is bright because Formula

38:13

One has shown to be resilient even

38:15

in the Colbert crisis we. were

38:18

the first globus bought it got going

38:20

and we still do think the FA have

38:22

and liberty of done a great job around,

38:25

creating those bubbles allowing us

38:27

to race and providing show

38:29

for spectators in front of

38:31

television, and on social media

38:33

so heads of they've done. it and

38:36

going forward sports

38:39

exclusive sports content like former

38:41

one is growing

38:44

And we see the numbers even

38:46

on regular. t v we're growing

38:48

audiences not speaking about social media

38:50

with sweat exploding

38:52

And we tapping new generations kids

38:55

and teenagers that become very interested

38:57

the. netflix series has equally

38:59

helped lot and i believe that we can

39:02

grow from strength and

39:04

um once become out of this Very

39:08

difficult episode are all grown up.

39:10

To think Formula needs to go electric

39:13

don't think that Formula One needs to go electric at that

39:15

stage, former one needs to be

39:17

sustainable needs to embrace

39:19

new technologies around.

39:22

The inability and today already we

39:24

are the most efficient hybrid engine in the

39:26

world but, we're not really good and

39:28

selling that and parking about all teams

39:30

and formula one Trying.

39:33

To have the least negative carbon footprint

39:35

that we can and I'm the future

39:38

and regulations need certainly go towards

39:40

more electric, more green

39:43

fuels and more

39:45

energy recovery through the. Devices that we

39:47

have today on you once and

39:49

maybe the energy recovery and

39:51

battery energy did we have today

39:54

is not gonna be fifteen percent of the power

39:57

of maybe the. Next generation of power units,

39:59

maybe. forty or fifty percent, than that,

40:01

would be a good step.

40:02

What you feel about the prospects

40:05

of Andy Cow going?

40:07

to work on a red bull engine

40:10

Indeed, honestly leaving H. B. and.

40:13

I will always respect every man's

40:15

and woman's decision about their own career

40:17

or.

40:18

Then. Indy very much left to see this

40:21

because he felt he came to

40:23

the end of the road of from

40:25

Formula One he, said

40:27

that he's interested in, doing something.

40:29

Good for the planet and technology around

40:32

it if his mind changes again

40:34

I would have old respect for it

40:36

because everybody needs. to seek

40:39

happiness so finally total you're

40:41

not interested in statistics

40:43

i know but looking further

40:46

ahead what is the long term

40:48

goal for you how long are we gonna

40:50

see you in formula one or you

40:52

gonna go do something completely different when ah sebastian

40:54

vettel this question he said my long term

40:56

goals is happiness

40:58

What is it for Toto Wolff now you said it,

41:01

but I would have given you the exact same answer?

41:04

The end it all comes down to be

41:06

happy because. that means

41:08

everybody's healthy

41:10

You enjoying your time with the family

41:12

and the people important to your friends

41:15

and are equally enjoying the

41:17

relationships that you have on track this is

41:19

all encompassing, it's all about

41:21

happiness.

41:30

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41:32

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41:34

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