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lives I am your host, Kimberly

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Snyder, New York Times

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your unique heart and

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wellness journey. Let's get

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started. Hi

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everyone, welcome back to our Monday

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interview show. I am so excited

1:52

for our very special guest here

1:54

with us today all the way

1:56

from Europe from the beautiful island

1:59

of Mayorca Spain. Michael Pilarke is

2:01

a European best-selling author and

2:03

entrepreneur, a mentor in mindset,

2:05

personal success, and self-development. He

2:08

has a wonderful new book

2:10

out called Master Your Mindset,

2:12

Live a Meaningful Life, which

2:15

provides a 12-step strategy. He

2:17

is a living embodiment of

2:19

the work he teaches. He

2:21

was born in Communist Poland,

2:24

and a lot of his

2:26

work is shaped by his

2:28

personal journey of... resilience and

2:30

vision. Michael, thank you so

2:33

much for being here with

2:35

us today. I'm so excited

2:37

to chat with you. Thank you.

2:39

It's my honor. You know, I'm

2:41

really excited to hear a

2:43

little bit about how your

2:45

story. really informed your focus

2:47

now in your life talking about

2:50

mindset, right? Because, you know, we

2:52

all have challenges. My mother grew

2:54

up in the Philippines, you know,

2:56

quite poor, and she was able

2:59

to make her way here to

3:01

the United States. And then some

3:03

people in certain situations sort

3:05

of say, well, you know, my

3:08

situation in life is this, and

3:10

they sort of don't try or

3:12

they give up. So... Before we

3:14

get into your book, can you

3:17

share a little bit about how

3:19

your personal journey brought

3:21

you to this, to this book

3:23

and your work today? Yeah, well,

3:25

we all have our own story

3:27

and mine, as you said, began

3:30

in Poland. I was two years

3:32

old when my parents wanted

3:34

to move to the

3:36

Netherlands. It wasn't so

3:38

easy. It was in the 1960s,

3:41

1990s. We were not allowed to

3:43

leave Poland. And it was

3:45

a big struggle. My mother

3:47

was only 22 or 23

3:49

years old. And for her it

3:51

was a struggle. And she was

3:54

allowed to leave the country.

3:56

And they also let my

3:58

father leave the country. but

4:00

you know the communists said

4:02

but the child cannot go

4:05

because they knew they knew

4:07

the parents wouldn't leave the kid

4:09

alone. So it was a big struggle

4:11

and it's not really

4:13

funny but the funny fact

4:16

is that my mom passed

4:18

away last month and during

4:20

the past weeks before she

4:22

died she started telling me

4:24

all these stories. from when we

4:26

were living in Poland, when I

4:29

was born in the first two,

4:31

three, four years of my life. And

4:33

I really learned another part

4:35

of my parents, but also

4:37

another part of my own

4:40

life, because they'd never told

4:42

me those stories before. It

4:44

was a pretty tough life

4:46

in the beginning, but eventually

4:48

they managed and we moved

4:50

to the Netherlands, where I

4:52

grew up with my grandmother. And

4:55

one day I listened to the

4:57

radio and my big dream

4:59

became becoming a radio DJ

5:02

on national radio, which I

5:04

made happen when I was

5:06

18. I had a national

5:09

radio show and I worked

5:11

for MTV in Netherlands.

5:14

I met a lot of celebrities.

5:16

Really fun time. I was, you

5:18

know, in my early 20s. And

5:21

then... I made a stupid mistake because

5:23

I always saved all my money

5:25

because you know when we grew

5:27

up we didn't have much so

5:30

my grandmother always told me you

5:32

have to save you know for

5:34

later you have to think about

5:36

your future you have to save

5:38

your money so I always did

5:40

and then one day when I

5:42

was 29 I had some friends

5:45

and they told me it better

5:47

invest all this savings in the

5:49

stock market. Oh no. And I

5:51

had no clue what I

5:53

was doing, really. You know,

5:55

it was a tough lesson.

5:57

I invested all... my

6:00

money and I lost everything

6:02

within four months and even

6:05

more because the bank had

6:07

given me a loan of

6:09

I don't know how much

6:12

but too much and within

6:14

four months it was

6:16

all gone and I was

6:18

left with two million in

6:20

debt. Wow. I was 29 you

6:23

know I thought I

6:25

had the greatest life

6:27

I was happily married

6:29

although My wife was

6:31

seriously ill. But you know

6:33

we had a great life,

6:36

everything was fantastic,

6:38

and then suddenly

6:40

everything was gone.

6:43

And I was deep down

6:45

and depressed. And

6:47

I even thought of, you

6:49

know, why should I live

6:51

longer? Why shouldn't

6:53

I just stop living?

6:56

because I had no

6:58

vision for the future. But

7:00

then, I may get a short

7:02

story, I met my

7:05

business mentor. He's Mr.

7:07

Dan Peña and you

7:09

as entrepreneur, business coach.

7:11

He was a multi-millionaire.

7:13

He made millions in

7:15

oil in, I think,

7:18

in the 80s. And

7:20

then I went to a

7:22

seminar of him. I went to

7:24

his castle, he lives in

7:26

Scotland now, and he taught

7:29

me within a few weeks,

7:31

almost everything I needed to

7:33

know to start a company,

7:35

build a company, buy companies,

7:38

and eventually sell companies. So

7:40

in the end, after I

7:42

think it was five years,

7:44

I built a company, sold

7:47

it, made some money. I could,

7:49

you know, pay back the bank, had

7:51

some money for myself. and

7:53

then I could start my

7:55

life over again. When he

7:58

was teaching you that... Was

8:00

it very practical? Was

8:02

he also teaching you about mindset

8:04

and honing into your intuition? Because

8:06

I imagine a lot of, I

8:09

mean, I know if I'm an

8:11

entrepreneur as well, a lot of

8:14

the decisions are quite intuitive as

8:16

well. It's not always so black

8:18

and white. No, no, no, both.

8:21

It's very practical. The steps I

8:23

wrote down in my book as

8:25

well, it's based on his principles.

8:27

It's based on mindset. A lot

8:29

of what I do and what

8:32

I teach is based

8:34

on the principles of

8:36

Napoleon Hill, a thing

8:38

to grow rich, the

8:40

loss of success. So

8:42

it's partly mindset, which

8:45

is very important. but

8:47

it's also so intuition.

8:49

It's also listening to

8:51

your heart, you know,

8:53

listening to your inner

8:55

voice, being in contact

8:57

with your own awareness,

9:00

not only acting from your

9:02

from your head, but

9:04

also with your heart. And

9:06

yeah, if these are in

9:09

balance, and you have some luck,

9:11

because we'll need some luck

9:13

now and then. I think

9:15

you can come a long way

9:18

in this life. Yeah, I mean,

9:20

and also by the way,

9:22

before we move on, is

9:24

your wife, was she okay

9:27

from her illness? Well,

9:29

she's, she's, she was

9:31

in her early 30s

9:33

and she was really

9:35

seriously ill. And one day

9:37

when, when we were on, when

9:40

I see, the doctor told

9:42

me, Chances are not

9:44

really high that she will

9:46

survive, but she is a

9:48

medical wonder because she's in

9:51

her early 60s now and

9:53

she's still alive. We separated

9:55

after a few years, but

9:57

we're still very close friends.

10:00

And yeah, let's say we had

10:02

a tough time back then. I

10:04

was really young. I was 25,

10:06

26. And for me, it was

10:09

really hard to handle

10:11

the situation, you know,

10:13

with the financial problems,

10:15

the problems in her

10:18

relationships, her illness, my

10:20

grandmother died. So you

10:22

can imagine that for

10:25

me as a young guy, life

10:27

was pretty chaotic. Yeah, but

10:29

again back to the journey that

10:31

leads to where you are today

10:33

and having so much to share

10:36

with others So one of the

10:38

things Michael that you know I

10:40

really noticed first when I was

10:42

looking through your book and your

10:45

steps I loved how You start

10:47

to really bring it back to

10:49

having time for stillness and silence.

10:51

I was just talking to my

10:53

husband about this yesterday because he

10:56

has offices in different countries and

10:58

he's always like texting at night

11:00

and just all over the place

11:02

and I said you really need

11:04

to carve out time. And even for

11:06

me, Michael, it's really valuable as a

11:09

working mom. I have two young kids.

11:11

But I really find this stillness is

11:13

where I do get my best ideas

11:15

and I feel recharged. But a lot

11:18

of people might say to you, Michael,

11:20

I just don't have time. That's what

11:22

people say to me. So what would

11:24

you say to someone who's like, oh,

11:27

this sounds great. And I, you know,

11:29

I like this idea of stillness, but

11:31

how do you actually carve it out?

11:33

How do you make it a priority?

11:36

How do you do this practically,

11:38

Michael? It's a

11:40

decision you have to

11:43

make yourself, you

11:45

know. It's like you

11:47

need to breathe to

11:50

stay alive. For me

11:52

it's the same, you

11:54

know, if you lose this

11:57

connection with you.

11:59

your inner self, if you

12:02

lose the connection with the

12:04

stillness within you, you get

12:06

lost in the noise of

12:08

other people and the noise

12:10

of the rest of the

12:12

world, the outside world. So

12:14

what happens to most of

12:17

us, you know, is that

12:19

we get lost in the

12:21

noise of the outside world

12:23

because we have no time,

12:25

because it's not a priority,

12:27

to take some time for

12:29

ourselves a few times a

12:31

day. I think it's really

12:34

important for everybody that you

12:36

take two, three, maybe five

12:38

minutes, five, six, seven times

12:40

a day, just a short

12:42

break. You know what like?

12:44

Like a break in a

12:46

sports game or in a

12:48

formula one race, you know,

12:51

the parts have to pit

12:53

for a moment just to,

12:55

you know, clear your mind,

12:57

take a breath, reload, recharge,

12:59

and then you can move

13:01

on with focus, with concentration.

13:03

And if you don't do

13:05

that, you lose your energy.

13:07

So when your energy level

13:10

drops. You lose focus and

13:12

the problem is you are

13:14

open to anxiety, you get

13:16

more feelings of fear, doubt,

13:18

you know, irritation, all those

13:20

negative feelings. They won't help

13:22

you. So also therefore it's

13:24

very important to have a

13:27

break, take that moment for

13:29

yourself. You know, you can

13:31

call it a meditation moment

13:33

few. few times a day.

13:35

And as you said, you

13:37

know, especially when you were

13:39

very busy when you have

13:41

a business or two or

13:44

three businesses, you have a

13:46

family, you have your kids,

13:48

you need... to have time

13:50

for yourself. Yeah, well, I

13:52

love that because when you

13:54

break it into just a

13:56

few minutes, it seems doable,

13:58

right? And a natural pace

14:01

of life is, you know,

14:03

squeeze it in, you have

14:05

a minute, maybe I can,

14:07

you know, get this email

14:09

in or just jamming everything

14:11

in and that really is

14:13

the formula for burnout and

14:15

heart language. We would say

14:18

incoherence, right, when you feel

14:20

that stress and your nervous

14:22

system is, you know, just

14:24

completely out of whack. So

14:26

that's a really great practical

14:28

tip for anyone that says

14:30

well, I can't just take

14:32

an hour here or there

14:35

But you can take these

14:37

two minutes. Yeah, it sounds

14:39

so easy You adjust that

14:41

to do it Yeah, exactly

14:43

when making the choice making

14:45

the intention So you also

14:47

talk about for some people,

14:49

you know, and you talked

14:51

about your your story so

14:54

beautifully, Michael. A lot of

14:56

people and women, I'll speak

14:58

for women, we have a

15:00

lot of women in our

15:02

community, have limited ideas, almost

15:04

everyone, but I can say

15:06

based on the questions that

15:08

we get, limited ideas around

15:11

money, around being able to

15:13

really carve the path forward

15:15

that. that we want, being

15:17

able to do what we

15:19

want, what we like to

15:21

do and get paid for

15:23

it. So you have a

15:25

whole chapter here about limiting

15:28

beliefs around money and creating

15:30

a positive money mindset. How

15:32

do we do that if

15:34

we've, you know, we've been

15:36

inherited these ideas and beliefs

15:38

and scarcity and maybe grew

15:40

up in families where, you

15:42

know, if there was an

15:45

abundance mindset? We all have

15:47

been programmed, you know, that

15:49

there is a program running

15:51

us. Yeah. So it's very

15:53

important to all of us

15:55

to understand what is the

15:57

program that is running you.

16:00

What is your operating system?

16:02

What does it look like?

16:04

You know, where does all

16:06

these limiting beliefs come from?

16:09

Why do you think the

16:11

way you do? Why do

16:13

you act the way you

16:15

do? Because your daily life

16:17

is the result of your

16:19

way of thinking, your mindset

16:21

and your daily behavior. So

16:24

if you want to change

16:26

your... actual daily life you

16:28

have to change your mindset

16:30

and you have to change

16:32

your behavior you have to

16:34

be more disciplined and if

16:36

you go to the money

16:38

mindset it's very important to

16:41

understand what is your limiting

16:43

believe according to money what

16:45

is the problem with money

16:47

you know what what What

16:49

feeling do you have deep

16:51

down inside if you think

16:53

about money? Is it a

16:55

negative feeling? Is it a

16:58

positive feeling? Are you afraid

17:00

of money? I can give

17:02

you an example. A lot

17:04

of people tell me, oh

17:06

no, no, money is not

17:08

important. I don't think money

17:10

is important. Well, money is

17:13

important. Well, money is important

17:15

in our world. You know,

17:17

we have to pay the

17:19

bills, we have to pay

17:21

for everything, so it's important.

17:23

It's not the most important

17:25

thing in the world. But

17:27

actually, it's very hard. It's

17:30

not likely that you can

17:32

live and survive without money

17:34

in our Western world. So

17:36

it's important. Doesn't mean you

17:38

have to chase money and

17:40

you have to be a

17:42

millionaire to live your best

17:45

life. But you have to,

17:47

let's say, love money. Because

17:49

if you hate it, what

17:51

happens with things you hate,

17:53

you push things you hate,

17:55

you push them. Yeah. If

17:57

you think money is not

17:59

important. Right. There is, you

18:02

know, money is energy, everything

18:04

is energy. And this isn't

18:06

a wishy-washy thing, it's just

18:08

really like it is its

18:10

physics. So if you push

18:12

the vibration of money away

18:14

and you keep it out

18:16

of your zone, it will

18:19

never come to you, whatever

18:21

you do. So you can

18:23

work hard, you can try

18:25

everything you can create in

18:27

your mind, but if you

18:29

have this... Negative approach to

18:31

money, so you try actually

18:34

to keep it on a

18:36

distance. It cannot come to

18:38

you. You have to open

18:40

your arms. It's the same

18:42

with love, you know. If

18:44

you are closed, if you

18:46

have no space in your

18:48

area, in your heart, in

18:51

your energy for another person,

18:53

no one can come near

18:55

you and you cannot. Create,

18:57

give, and get love. Right.

18:59

It's the same with money.

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23:13

You know I relate to that Michael

23:15

because I think about when I came

23:17

back to my backpacking journey and I

23:19

was broke and I was on the

23:21

road for three years I had all

23:23

these adventures I was living out of

23:26

a tent in Africa and then boom

23:28

I did start to run out and

23:30

I it was getting a bit dangerous

23:32

and reckless so anyways after three years

23:34

I came back I remember walking around

23:36

New York City I saw it a

23:38

little bit of money to get this

23:40

rent control department and then I got

23:42

this job that I really didn't like.

23:44

And I had this feeling of lack,

23:46

like I was always worried about bills,

23:48

and it was like a struggle, right?

23:50

And then one day, Michael, I decided

23:52

to shift. I said, well, what do

23:54

I really love? I love yoga. So

23:56

on the side, I started teaching yoga,

23:58

I love, you know, wellness. started to

24:01

go back to nutrition school. And if

24:03

I look back on that time, and

24:05

then everything just started to grow

24:07

really organically, I had a free

24:09

blog, and then I started getting

24:11

book deals and working with clients.

24:13

But for me, and I didn't think

24:15

about it this way, but I started

24:17

to feel very grateful for every

24:19

dollar that came in. So I started

24:22

to move away. You said, you know,

24:24

we say in our family age word.

24:26

the hate word because I can't, all

24:28

my kids, you know, it's a strong

24:30

vibration, so we say H-word. But, um,

24:32

wasn't that I H-worded it, but I

24:34

was so focused on lack that

24:36

it was like that feeling of like,

24:38

oh, I don't have enough, it was

24:40

kind of a yucky feeling. And then

24:42

the gratitude feeling was really

24:45

nice and warm. It was a

24:47

different energy, and I don't know

24:49

that I consciously shifted about money,

24:51

but it happened along the way,

24:53

I feel like. Yeah,

24:58

it sounds all so wonderful

25:01

for you. But when I

25:03

hear you saying these words,

25:05

it's an amazing story.

25:07

And I have stories

25:09

like this as well.

25:11

And I know there's

25:13

so many people, even

25:15

maybe people listening now,

25:17

thinking, yeah, it sounds

25:20

all so wonderful for you.

25:22

But that's not for me.

25:24

or they don't believe what we're

25:26

telling, you know? Because people believe

25:29

what they want to believe.

25:31

Right. And that's very strong

25:33

because that's imagination. And as

25:36

Einstein said, imagination is more

25:38

important than knowledge. You have

25:40

to imagine, you have to

25:43

believe, if you believe it

25:45

can be done, you maybe

25:47

can do it. Right. And again,

25:49

it's not about chasing money,

25:52

but... Money will come

25:54

if you are on

25:56

the right frequency in

25:58

whatever you do. When I

26:00

was 2 million in debt and

26:02

I met Mr. Pena, my

26:04

business mentor, he taught me

26:06

how to build the business.

26:08

I built the business. I

26:11

sold it after five or

26:13

six, seven years. And then

26:15

I was financially independent. I

26:17

was 37 years of age. But

26:19

still I was deep down and

26:21

depressed. I wasn't happy. I

26:23

was very unhappy. Even I

26:25

had about 10 million dollars.

26:28

Wow. Then I went on my

26:30

sailing trip because it was my

26:32

long lasting dream. I built

26:34

a sailing boat when sailing.

26:36

But a sailing journey became

26:39

a journey to inner awareness.

26:41

I started reading all kinds

26:43

of spiritual books. I read

26:45

lots of Deepak Chopra, Wayne

26:47

Dyer, listened to most of

26:50

Deepaks and Wayne's talks. I

26:52

was listening to Alan Watts

26:54

and after two years, something

26:56

changed, you know. I think I

26:58

became another person and

27:01

then I started writing

27:03

books. I wrote Master Your

27:05

Mindset, I wrote Design Your

27:07

Own Live, I started giving

27:10

lectures, I did my coaching

27:12

program 10, 12 years

27:14

ago, I think I started

27:16

that. And what I was

27:19

doing back then was helping

27:21

other people, not for the

27:23

money. but because I really

27:25

loved it from my heart

27:27

helping other people, you know,

27:29

teaching other people what I

27:31

had learned in my life with

27:34

many eyes and lows and it

27:36

was so fulfilling and as you

27:38

said I was so grateful that

27:40

I could be the one doing

27:43

this, you know, writing the books,

27:45

lecturing, helping other people

27:47

and really I didn't do

27:50

it for the money, but the

27:52

money came in again. You

27:54

know it started flowing

27:56

and I really believe if

27:59

you're on the right frequency,

28:01

if you're in the right

28:03

track, you're doing the right

28:05

thing, you know, you're following

28:07

your heart, it's your purpose,

28:09

maybe it's not for everybody,

28:11

but there's always something

28:14

for everyone. And if you're

28:16

on that right track, you will, it's

28:18

like falling in love, you know,

28:20

one day you know, that's the right

28:22

person for you. Right. And it's the

28:25

same with business, would work, with

28:27

your career and with money, and

28:29

it will flow. That gratitude energy,

28:32

Michael, and also, like you

28:34

said, this intention to serve,

28:36

it's one of the things

28:38

Paramahansa Yoga Nanda talks about,

28:40

who brought yoga to the

28:42

West. Yeah, absolutely. Our purpose

28:44

is. mostly service and tuning into

28:46

our unique talent, our unique voice,

28:49

the unique expression, the unique way

28:51

that we can serve, which looks

28:53

different for all of us. And

28:55

then the other thing that you

28:57

said, Michael, is that really struck

28:59

me is that you were filling

29:01

your mind, you were, you know,

29:03

the nutrition you were giving yourself

29:05

mentally and emotionally was really uplifting,

29:07

Wayne Dyer and Deepak, who's a

29:10

dear friend of mine, we wrote

29:12

a book together a couple years

29:14

ago, but you weren't. reading negative

29:16

things. I think that's a really

29:18

important thing as well. And Yogananda

29:20

says our environment is so important.

29:22

You know, when we're going up, we're

29:24

trying to expand Michael watching these

29:26

days, what is coming into our

29:29

social media feeds, making sure it

29:31

feels inspiring the friends that we're

29:33

spending a lot of time with,

29:35

because when we're shifting our mindset,

29:37

I'm sure you would agree with me,

29:39

we have to watch our environment, our

29:42

total nutrition that's coming

29:44

in. So important. Yeah. I

29:46

was at a seminar of

29:48

Bruce Lipton two months

29:50

ago and he was telling

29:53

this story about DNA,

29:55

you know, and environment

29:57

is so important. Yeah.

30:00

Because a lot of people

30:02

think it's all DNA. I'm

30:04

just the way I am

30:06

because that's the way it

30:08

is. But that's genetics.

30:11

Yeah. It's, you know,

30:13

it's not true. It's

30:15

antibiotics. Yes. Your environment.

30:17

Yes. You, partly, you

30:20

know, partly it is in us.

30:22

Some small piece of us,

30:24

we kind of really changed,

30:26

but I think my conviction.

30:28

is that maybe 90%

30:30

of your life you can

30:33

control. You cannot control

30:35

everything in life, but a

30:37

lot you can control with

30:39

your mind and with taking

30:42

action. You have to

30:44

take action, very important. But

30:46

very important is where you

30:49

are. Who are the people

30:51

you surround yourself with? Show

30:53

me your friends and I'll

30:56

tell you your future and

30:58

it's true. It's absolutely true.

31:00

You know, Jim Ron always said,

31:03

you will be the average of

31:05

the five people you hang

31:07

around with most. And it's

31:09

true. It's absolutely true. Yeah.

31:12

So yeah, no, no negative

31:14

stuff. I started reading

31:16

positive stuff. You know, I

31:18

was studying or the

31:21

spiritual books. But my

31:23

focus shifted from stress

31:25

and problems and

31:27

drama to a new future,

31:30

to gratitude. And I really

31:32

think gratitude changed my

31:34

life. I'm so grateful

31:37

every day. You know, I

31:39

know we live on a

31:41

great island. We built an

31:43

amazing property. You know, when

31:45

I wake up, I face

31:47

the mountains. We have a

31:49

beautiful garden. And I'm so...

31:52

grateful every morning when I get

31:54

up and every night before we go

31:56

to sleep my wife Sini and I

31:58

we ask each other. What are

32:00

you grateful for today? You know?

32:02

And if you do that, it's

32:05

so simple, you feel that energy

32:07

of gratitude, you feel it in

32:09

your heart everywhere, in your blood,

32:11

it's everywhere in you and it

32:14

does something with you. You cannot

32:16

be negative, you cannot be angry

32:18

or irritated when you are in

32:20

a mood of gratefulness. Right, right.

32:23

We do that at dinner, Michael.

32:25

We go around after we say

32:27

grace and the kids do it

32:29

too and we all say what

32:31

we're grateful for that day. Beautiful.

32:34

Yeah. And so if someone is

32:36

saying, I really want to change

32:38

my mindset, you know, and your

32:40

book has these 12 steps, and

32:43

so you talked about taking action,

32:45

is it a series, you know,

32:47

and then we talked about the

32:49

two minutes, you know, moments of

32:51

gratitude, is it that... There's a

32:54

series of small actions that we

32:56

take consistently through the day that's

32:58

going to turn this boat around

33:00

a negative mindset to a more

33:03

positive one that attracts abundance. Or

33:05

would you say for someone, you

33:07

know, just get started and then

33:09

build more steps along the way?

33:12

Or how would you recommend they

33:14

approach a total change if they're

33:16

wanting that? I think it's

33:18

easy to start with one

33:20

question. What would you like

33:22

to change in your daily

33:25

life today? Don't make it

33:27

too complex. Don't make it

33:29

too big. Just today. What

33:31

would you like to change

33:33

in your daily life today?

33:35

Because you need clarity. And

33:38

you get clarity by asking

33:40

good questions, clear questions to

33:42

yourself. You know? So what

33:44

would you like to change?

33:46

What can you do to

33:48

change that? If you can

33:51

change that, what will be

33:53

the outcome? What will be

33:55

the end result for you?

33:57

How will it make you

33:59

feel very important to ask

34:01

yourself these kinds of... of

34:03

questions. In one of the

34:06

chapters I think I wrote

34:08

down about 30 or 40

34:10

of these questions to ask

34:12

yourself. What did I do

34:14

today to become a better

34:16

version of me? What did

34:19

I learn today? What would

34:21

I like to learn tomorrow

34:23

or next week or next

34:25

month? You know, very practical

34:27

questions to ask yourself to,

34:29

you know, say, master yourself,

34:32

personal mastery. master your mindset

34:34

and you need some personal

34:36

mastery. You have to master

34:38

energy level. You have to

34:40

master your discipline. Very important

34:42

because you can, you know,

34:44

you want something, you want

34:47

everything, but if you don't

34:49

have discipline, you won't achieve

34:51

nothing. Yeah. So that's also

34:53

important. A big part

34:55

of the book is about

34:58

mindfulness and meditation. We also

35:00

have our meditation moments app

35:02

because I know just so

35:04

many people are so confused

35:06

in their minds and so

35:08

busy and never have the

35:10

two, three, four, five minutes.

35:13

So I advise everyone. Try

35:15

to, you know, you don't

35:17

have to listen to me,

35:19

but if you download the

35:21

app, you can use it

35:23

for three months for free.

35:25

You can listen to me

35:28

for, you know. two, three,

35:30

five minutes, maybe 10 minutes,

35:32

if you have time, 20

35:34

minutes, if you have more

35:36

time, every day. And if

35:38

you do that, I promise

35:41

you, if you take a

35:43

meditation moment for yourself, every

35:45

night, before you go to

35:47

sleep, after, let's say, 10

35:49

days, you know, I don't

35:51

have to explain to you,

35:53

but you know that something

35:56

will change for almost everybody.

35:58

Even if you don't believe

36:00

in meditation, it's just a

36:02

moment for yourself. would advise

36:04

people to do that because

36:06

then you will go to

36:08

sleep with a relaxed mind,

36:11

a positive feeling, a grateful,

36:13

hard, and you will get

36:15

up completely refreshed like a

36:17

different human being the next

36:19

morning instead of you know

36:21

focusing on all those negative

36:23

events and negative thoughts and

36:26

limiting beliefs. It's very important.

36:28

You know when you were when

36:30

you were speaking Michael I got

36:32

this really interesting image Your voice

36:35

is really calming and you were

36:37

talking about It almost I got

36:39

this image of bringing the flowers

36:41

in like you're kind of just

36:43

pulling it in right because everything

36:45

feels in the world it can

36:47

be feel really confusing like you

36:49

said a lot of people feel

36:51

really scattered and they're constantly looking

36:53

outward they're on tic-toc or they're

36:55

here their conversation all day and

36:57

they're just kind of like the

36:59

flowers are everywhere so to speak

37:01

and there's this really powerful nourishment

37:03

that happens when we bring it

37:05

in and it's so simple and

37:07

small but like you said we

37:09

have to make the choice to

37:11

do it otherwise what happens then

37:13

we get you know got up

37:15

and watching death legs all night

37:18

until we fall asleep again and

37:20

then you wake up feeling heavy

37:22

and you know that subconscious programming

37:24

if you're watching like detective shows

37:26

or whatever right and so we

37:28

just he keeps this pattern going

37:30

so what really struck me about

37:32

you know your book and these

37:34

steps is that and like you

37:36

break it down to today And

37:38

it's a series of small steps

37:40

that start to change the course

37:42

of the ship, so to speak,

37:44

like, and then it starts to

37:46

build momentum. And that's been my

37:48

personal experience too, and turning my

37:50

ship around, like, okay, today, and

37:52

now the next day, and it

37:54

builds, it builds energy, it starts

37:56

to become more, second nature. Do

37:58

you play golf, Kimberly? have played

38:01

and I'm not the best putter

38:03

but I sure like I'm the

38:05

worst player I'm the worst

38:07

but I have a friend

38:09

he's he's a pretty good

38:11

golf player and he told

38:13

me if you hit the

38:15

bowl just one millimeter one

38:17

millimeter you know after 100 meters

38:19

it ends up completely in

38:22

a different direction so

38:24

if you just shift you know

38:26

your daily life in your daily

38:29

life in just a little bit

38:31

different direction.

38:33

Eventually, your life

38:35

will end up somewhere

38:37

where you maybe want

38:39

to go. And that's

38:41

very important. First, you

38:43

have to know where you want

38:46

to go. You know, if you

38:48

don't really know what your

38:50

desire is or where

38:52

your destination is, what

38:54

your outcome looks like.

38:57

Chances are high, you will

38:59

end up somewhere, you don't want

39:02

to go. So you need to

39:04

decide for yourself, where do I

39:06

want to go with my life?

39:08

And that's a big question. But

39:11

in the end, you know, and

39:13

that's also what the book is

39:15

about, it's about living a

39:18

meaningful life. And that's different

39:20

for me than for you.

39:22

And we all have another vision

39:25

on meaning. Ask yourself this

39:27

question as you're listening now. What

39:29

does it mean for you to

39:31

live a meaningful life? And if

39:34

you start living your life in

39:36

a meaningful way, maybe in a

39:38

more mindful way, and we all

39:41

start doing that, we will change

39:43

this planet. We will change live

39:45

on this planet. We can change

39:47

the world and there's a lot

39:50

going on, you know, in politics

39:52

and in economics, and we have

39:54

wars going on. and a lot

39:56

of people are confused and maybe

39:59

afraid and... I can imagine

40:01

and we don't have to

40:03

ignore what's going on in the

40:06

world, but if we take more

40:08

time to go inside, you know,

40:10

look to your inner world, feel

40:12

your inner world, make that

40:15

connection, and if we do

40:17

that, and we start living

40:19

a more mindful and meaningful

40:22

life altogether, I can guarantee

40:25

you, we will shift the energy

40:27

on this planet. Yeah. Life will

40:29

change for all of us. So

40:31

Michael, what would you say? I agree with

40:34

that. It's the intention coming from

40:36

the heart, not just from the

40:38

ego and the confusion. It can

40:40

shift over time, right? Because let's

40:42

say someone says, Michael, that sounds

40:45

really overwhelming. My whole meaningful life

40:47

all the way, you're just getting

40:49

started all the way through to

40:51

grandkids. But let's say if someone's

40:53

a student, they're starting out, the

40:56

focus, right? Maybe for them, the

40:58

focus right now is I really

41:00

want to get my career off

41:02

the ground. At some point, I'd love

41:05

to start a family, you know,

41:07

which is different from where I

41:09

am now. I have a family.

41:11

and reevaluate every few years? Or

41:13

how would you coach someone through

41:15

that? Step by step. Yeah, and

41:18

there's phases. Step by

41:20

step, you know, if you

41:22

are a student and maybe

41:24

you think about starting a

41:26

family, starting a family

41:29

gives meaning to your life,

41:31

you know, creating a family,

41:33

having a child, gives enormous

41:36

meaning to your life. taking

41:39

care of other people, taking care

41:41

of your elderly, you know, I

41:43

take care of my elderly father

41:46

now since my mom passed away

41:48

and it gives great meaning to

41:50

my life, you know, helping other

41:53

people, just, you know, even if

41:55

you walk on the street, just

41:57

give a smile to someone else.

42:01

It can give meaning to

42:03

the other person's life. Yeah. It

42:05

can be something so, yeah. So

42:07

what happens, or what do

42:09

you do to break out

42:12

of a negative cycle? Let's

42:14

say there's just, you know, we

42:16

all have moments, I call

42:18

the dark heart moments where

42:21

we just feel. that fear

42:23

come in or irritation or

42:25

some reactivity from the past

42:27

or whatever it is. How

42:29

do you refresh your mindset?

42:32

Let go. And letting go it

42:34

sounds so easy, but it's, you

42:36

know, if your hands are tied

42:38

and you can't let you won't

42:40

let go, then you're always

42:42

stuck. So you need to let

42:45

go, then you're always stuck. So

42:47

you need to let go. So

42:49

you need to let go. just

42:52

let go it's a choice then

42:54

when your hands are open you're

42:56

open to receive something

42:58

new so if you're

43:00

irritated or you're angry

43:02

you know let go

43:04

and then you can

43:07

receive gratefulness love

43:09

joy but it's not so easy

43:11

it's a choice and you have

43:13

to take action and I know

43:16

you know way back when I

43:18

was younger, when I was angry,

43:20

I could stay in that state

43:23

of, you know, angriness. Yeah. I,

43:25

I, and I, I could hold

43:27

on to each, you know,

43:30

forever. And I wanted to

43:32

stay there. It's like people

43:34

who are, they're so addicted

43:37

to problems, they don't want

43:39

a solution. And that happens

43:42

when you're irritated or when

43:44

you... you are in a

43:46

situation that you don't really

43:49

like. We all have that, but

43:51

you need to take a break.

43:53

Like, what happens? What you can

43:56

do is take, let's say, one,

43:58

two, three, four, five. deep breath

44:00

in and out. You know,

44:02

just to take a break

44:05

to step out of that

44:07

state of being, that state

44:09

of negative energy, you have

44:11

to, you have to break

44:13

it. You can break it

44:16

by, you know, you have

44:18

to shift your focus. If

44:20

you shift your focus and

44:22

you shift your energy, you're

44:24

out of the anger, you

44:27

can choose whatever you want.

44:29

You cannot be angry and

44:31

happy in, in the same

44:33

moment, you know. It's a

44:35

state of being, you're happy

44:37

or you're sad, you're joyful

44:40

or, you know, you're in

44:42

a negative state of mind.

44:44

You can break it by

44:46

being aware of what your

44:48

state of mind is. Right.

44:51

So step back, take a

44:53

deep breath, see what's happening.

44:56

And then try, really try,

44:58

try, it's an exercise, try

45:00

to move around, shift your

45:02

focus, think of something different

45:04

or just do something else.

45:06

You know, when kids are

45:08

little, the grandmother often says,

45:11

if the children are annoyed

45:13

or, you know, they're doing

45:15

bad stuff, go do something.

45:17

Go do something. Go do

45:19

something. You break that mindset

45:21

and you're out of the

45:23

negative mindset and you start

45:26

doing something and you just

45:28

forget where you are. And

45:30

I think that's really true.

45:32

Start doing something and do

45:34

something positive. Yeah, the mind

45:36

keeps us in those stories,

45:38

those narratives, like you said,

45:41

the anger can keep going,

45:43

you keep thinking. So for

45:45

me, Michael, I literally touch

45:47

my heart sometimes, or I'll

45:49

just come here and breathe.

45:51

and then get into my

45:53

body. And that's helped me

45:55

so much start to... I

45:58

used to stew a lot

46:00

and be like, ugh, like

46:02

I replay the conversation. I'd

46:04

be talking to you, but

46:06

thinking about something else or

46:08

be on a zoom meeting

46:10

or whatever it was. And

46:13

now it is this habit

46:15

of, like you said, stopping

46:17

shifting the focus because then

46:19

you don't keep that train

46:21

going. It's such a powerful

46:23

skill. But Kimberly, I had

46:25

to learn this myself. Yeah.

46:28

It wasn't easy. You know,

46:30

it, I think it took.

46:32

It took maybe 10 years

46:34

really to get past the

46:36

anger. Yeah. Yeah. We do

46:38

say you pretty much mastered

46:40

your anger now. Yeah. Wow.

46:43

Because that's a powerful energy.

46:45

Yeah, I'm mastered stress. I'm,

46:47

you know, I never have

46:49

real stress. I'm, you know,

46:51

I never have real stress.

46:53

I'm, you know, sometimes I

46:55

have three companies. So things

46:58

are not always going the

47:00

way I want. But I'm

47:02

never angry. Never. No. That

47:04

is, Michael, that is a

47:06

powerful, that's a powerful thing

47:08

to have created in your

47:10

life. I believe now I

47:12

know you can learn that.

47:15

That is amazing. It's a

47:17

state of awareness, consciousness. See

47:19

what's happening. And before you

47:21

take the wrong decision, the

47:23

wrong action, you know, ask

47:25

yourself. What is the best

47:27

way to approach this? I

47:30

can't start screaming and shouting,

47:32

but does it bring me

47:34

somewhere? It will. It will

47:36

bring you somewhere. But is

47:38

it where you want to

47:40

go? No. So what's the

47:42

best solution? And most of

47:45

the time, what's the best

47:47

solution? What's the best approach?

47:49

to solve this the way

47:51

eventually I want to have

47:53

it. I think that's... important

47:55

what's the outcome I want

47:57

to achieve yeah and therefore

48:00

I can I cannot use

48:02

my anger to fast forward

48:04

that process you know and

48:06

and you know the anger

48:08

is a negative emotion it's

48:10

a negative energy so it

48:12

it does something with your

48:15

inner world It doesn't make

48:17

me happy when I'm angry.

48:19

Why should I? You know,

48:21

there's so many things to

48:23

be grateful for. Why should

48:25

it be angry? It's like

48:27

framing your focus. You know,

48:29

we all have the choice

48:32

to frame whatever you want

48:34

to focus on. Do you

48:36

want to focus on anger

48:38

or you want to focus

48:40

on the good stuff in

48:42

life? Well, and I think

48:44

having that power to introspect

48:47

as you're referring to it

48:49

and ask these questions is

48:51

really helped again by those

48:53

small two-minute pauses. Sure. Because

48:55

otherwise we go right into

48:57

the anger, we get really

48:59

reactive, and then we think

49:02

it's justified, but it's really

49:04

just an old programming. Yeah.

49:06

So the pauses help to

49:08

dismantle the programming. Yeah. It

49:10

all works together. Yeah. You're

49:12

right. You have to discover

49:14

the programming. Yeah. And then

49:17

step by step, and it

49:19

will take time, then you

49:21

can change the programming. Eventually,

49:23

as like you want to

49:25

be programmed, you can reprogram

49:27

yourself. Amazing. Yeah. Well, Michael,

49:29

thank you so much for

49:31

sharing some of your wisdom

49:34

with us and your wonderful

49:36

new book. Master your mindset.

49:38

Live a meaningful life. Is

49:40

there anything else that we

49:42

didn't cover about the book

49:44

you'd like to share and

49:46

can you also share with

49:49

us? where we can get

49:51

a coffee. I think we

49:53

can copies almost everywhere. I

49:55

don't know. We have to

49:57

have everywhere. Bookstores, online. I

49:59

don't know, you know, we

50:01

sold over a million copies

50:04

in Europe, so here it's

50:06

everywhere in every bookstore. Yes,

50:08

beautiful. I hope many people

50:10

in in the States will

50:12

read the book as well.

50:14

It's not only because I

50:16

want to sell a lot

50:19

of books because, you know,

50:21

I want to share this

50:23

message. I really hope we

50:25

can all live a meaningful

50:27

life. Well, it's really powerful

50:29

hearing from you, Michael, because

50:31

it's succinct. There's an accessibility,

50:34

a simplicity, and an energy

50:36

that's coming out of you

50:38

that really is an embodiment

50:40

of what you teach. And

50:42

so it's so authentic, your

50:44

intention to support others, your

50:46

life story is so inspiring.

50:48

So thank you so much

50:51

for spending some time with

50:53

our community. We appreciate it

50:55

so much. Thank you. And

50:57

everyone, thank you so much

50:59

for tuning in with us.

51:01

We will link directly to

51:03

Michael's book at my saloona.com

51:06

where you can get the

51:08

transcript for today's show, the

51:10

show notes, other articles, and

51:12

shows I think you would

51:14

enjoy. And we'll be back

51:16

here as always Thursday for

51:18

our next Q&A show. Till

51:21

then, take great care. Be

51:23

sure to check out Michael's

51:25

book. Once again, the title

51:27

is Master Your Mindset of

51:29

The Meaning. Live a Meaning.

51:31

And sending you much love.

51:33

Take care. So,