0:05

I think for other problems we have

0:07

in the world, the solution still lies in

0:09

our children and how what tools

0:11

we give them an how we teach them

0:14

to communicate with the world. This

0:16

is Ziggy Marley. I really love the

0:18

guy because the man has heart.

0:21

We approaching with respect and approach

0:23

and with the knowledge that if we

0:25

instill something in them and it's solidifies

0:28

in them, then that

0:30

is what they're going to put out there. So to

0:32

treat the children them as a part of

0:35

the process of making this world a better place.

0:37

You know, Ziggy believes that

0:39

treating kids with respect is the backbone

0:41

of making the world a better place. Honestly,

0:45

that reminds me of Raffie. It's

0:47

something Ziggy inherited from his father, Bob

0:50

Marley. My father had

0:52

a lot of kids around. We had just children,

0:54

even not his children. I mean,

0:56

we can't learn a lot. That's why observing

0:59

children recently in

1:01

the middle of the pandemic and Black Lives Matter

1:03

protests, Ziggy turned to his own

1:05

kids for inspiration. I'm feeling

1:07

emotions about what's going on in the society,

1:10

um racial injustice, and you know, the cool

1:12

of it and the planet and those things

1:14

inspire me. To speak out and speak out

1:16

in music. But then my

1:19

five years so you know him, comes around

1:22

with his Google Gaga thing and

1:24

he's like Google Gaga, Google Gaga, and

1:27

I'm like, yeah, okay, I'm writing a song called

1:29

Google Gaga. Now

1:31

that's awesome. Ziggy emerged

1:33

with a new kids album called More Family

1:36

Time and yes there's a song called

1:38

Google Gaga. He's one

1:40

of the few singers I know who can successfully

1:42

cross from adult music in the kids songs

1:45

and back again. Yes, someone

1:47

said that to me, like, oh, yore, you just

1:49

pivot. You just go from wanted that so seen

1:51

this um, you know, unless

1:53

you want to be just with blindness. And none

1:56

of us really are set in one

1:58

way. So the duality of my of I

2:01

can sing songs like your pienis

2:03

mind, but I also have a child like part

2:05

of me that wants to express itself too,

2:08

and so I free that part of me without

2:11

worrying about ego

2:13

are what you might think. It gives

2:16

me so much space to imagine.

2:19

Yeah, I mean things would be pretty miserable without

2:21

that childlike inspiration it to be. Yeah,

2:23

Oh yeah, I need that chi, I need that childlike

2:25

vibes. You know, it

2:28

makes me laugh. It makes me have funny, it makes

2:30

me be free. Yeah, I

2:32

can feel it when I'm playing with my daughter

2:35

Sonny. I make goofy faces to make

2:37

her laugh and it's totally okay.

2:40

Raffi has always preached that we should

2:42

make space for playing our lives. But

2:44

somewhere along the way, even ralf he forgot

2:47

to have fun. He abandoned his playful

2:49

side that urged to be silly.

2:52

Doesn't die because we get older, We

2:54

just get good at ignoring it. So

2:57

why do we value playfulness and children

2:59

and beat it out of ourselves when we become

3:01

adults. I'm

3:08

Chris Garcia and this is Finding

3:10

Raffie, a ten part series for My Heart

3:13

Radio and Fatherly in partnership with

3:15

Rococo Punch, about the life, philosophy,

3:18

and the work of Raffie, the

3:20

man behind the music. Today

3:24

on our show, Rafie gets his

3:26

Groove Back In

3:30

Raffie decided he wanted to stage a comeback.

3:33

He hadn't played to a young audience in

3:35

four years, and he was coming off

3:37

a pretty rough period in his life. You'll

3:40

remember that he and his wife deb had split

3:42

up and Evergreen ever Blew his

3:44

ecology album aimed at teens and adults.

3:46

Was pretty much a bust. So Ralfie

3:49

goes back on tour and after

3:51

a few months he decides to go big.

3:54

Thank you very much and hello everyone.

3:58

I've waited a long time him for this to

4:01

be here with you on Broadway.

4:07

Now, playing on Broadway

4:09

is huge. Raf He sold out

4:11

six performances, but you

4:13

could feel his serious side battling

4:16

it out with his playful side. Sure,

4:18

Raffie sang some old favorites like Baby

4:20

Beluga, but he followed it up

4:22

with descriptions of whales dying from

4:24

toxic pollution. Then to lighten

4:26

the mood, he did impersonations of Bob

4:28

Dylan and Elvis. You're

4:30

just a little white wing on the good Yeah,

4:37

Blue, the Baby Babylon.

4:42

This was a new Raffi. He ditched

4:44

the Hawaiian shirt and moccasin's for a dresser

4:47

and a tie, and in between

4:49

songs he incorporated a series of

4:51

stage gangs. And that's when Raffie

4:53

hit on something really big. You

4:57

know now

4:59

what picture this Raffie

5:02

gets a delivery on stage. It's

5:04

a shopping bag. Oh, it

5:06

says here, organically grown

5:09

bananas. Mhm. Raffie

5:15

reaches inside and pulls out a

5:17

banana. Hello, it's

5:22

a banana phone, a

5:26

phone with a peel. Here's

5:32

a family that looks like you could use a bananular

5:34

phone. There's

5:41

so many reasons that I love this. As

5:43

a comedian, I appreciate the misdirect.

5:46

It's an all time classic bit. There's

5:48

got your nose, pull my finger and

5:51

using a random object as a phone. It's

5:54

this corny stage choke that plants

5:56

the seeds for one of Ralphie's greatest

5:59

hits, one he hasn't

6:01

even written yet. So how many

6:03

people does this happen to you? You got a phone called

6:05

nine in the morning and rapp He says, okay, listen,

6:07

I got this thing. I picked up my guitar and I went

6:11

prett ring,

6:14

ring, ring, ring, ring, ring ring.

6:16

Banana phone. Musician

6:18

Michael Creeper toured with Raffi during

6:21

this period, and he says, you

6:23

know, what do you think? And I don't even know it's

6:25

worth anything or whatever. And I go, I'm

6:28

coming right over cold that thought,

6:30

you know, because it was brilliant. So

6:33

I drove across town in my volks like and bus

6:35

and uh we sat there for a full

6:37

day in roping at the phone and basically in a day

6:39

on his kitchen table, Dong ding, dong

6:42

ding.

6:45

I never thought Banana Phone would becomes

6:48

a most popular rashy song. It's

6:51

the best beats the rest cellular,

6:53

modular, interactive, bodge ring

6:56

ring. Sure, a lot of the kids are gonna listen to Banana

6:58

Phone, and they won't hear all the puns we put in

7:00

there. Those are for adults, but

7:02

it doesn't really matter. The whole the

7:05

song is fun no matter who listens to it. I

7:07

mean, that's all we did. We just created puns the whole

7:09

song. Dog up phone, Grandpa

7:12

phone and a brama phone

7:14

too. Oh yeah, my

7:16

cell you learn bana,

7:18

you learn fool. That

7:21

playableness was good for us because we had

7:23

fun writing it and performing it.

7:25

It's a phone would appeal, and

7:27

we do feel that those messages are

7:29

eternal. You can have your phone and need it

7:31

too. Kids need to know that

7:35

it's okay. They need permission to play,

7:37

you know, in their world, and adults too.

7:40

We need that. Todd.

7:51

Banana Phone is the moment that

7:53

Raphie puts kids back in the center of

7:55

it all. Using a banana as

7:57

an imaginary phone is

8:00

a wonderful former pretend play and

8:02

then making a song about it. Then

8:04

the play becomes musical, becomes a playful

8:07

musical experience for the

8:09

young child. You can feel

8:11

the same energy from his first album single

8:13

Bowl Songs, when he was just having fun

8:15

and not caring about what people thought. Ralphie

8:21

said he felt light and playful again. These

8:24

were some of his favorite concerts ever. His

8:27

parents Arto and Lucy noticed the change

8:29

in Raffi two. There was something

8:31

in his voice that moved them both. In

8:34

his autobiography, Rafi wrote

8:36

that his ailing father listened to the album

8:39

every day, doing his exercises

8:41

to the music, and Lucy danced

8:43

to it with a family dog. Rafe's

8:50

returned to playfulness was the key to his

8:52

big comeback. The puns and basic

8:54

silliness of Bananaphone allowed him

8:56

to embrace the kidlike side of himself

8:59

that he'd forgotten. But

9:02

how do the rest of us do that? Can

9:04

we change something so ingrained in

9:06

our society? Do we even

9:08

know how? I

9:11

think so many of us have a hard time

9:13

going back to these like playful,

9:15

happy attitudes. We're working

9:18

and we're worried about our kids. When can get dinner on the table,

9:20

and rent is do and so on, And I think

9:22

there's just this idea that that's silly stuff,

9:25

you know, that's the stuff you give up, you know, once you

9:27

get a real adult job. You

9:39

know. I think when we, you know, forego playfulness,

9:42

we do it at our own cost. Dr

9:45

Lori Santos is a professor of psychology

9:48

at Yale University and the host

9:50

of the Happiness Lab podcast. She

9:52

teaches one of Yale's most popular courses.

9:55

It's known as the Happiness Class.

9:58

The scientios we'd be more productive

10:00

at work if we engaged in more playful

10:02

practices. We'd end up being like

10:04

more interesting to friends. We'd have hobbies

10:07

and things to talk about with people. So it concrease our social

10:09

connection, which also can increase our well being.

10:12

Every available study of happy people

10:14

suggest that happy people are more social right,

10:16

they prioritize time with their friends and family

10:18

members, and they really try to connect with the people

10:20

around them. It's funny. The first

10:23

song on Rafe's first

10:25

album single, Songs for the Very

10:27

Young, is the more we get together,

10:30

the happier will be. It's like

10:32

straight out of the positive psychology, you know. It could

10:34

be a title of a like journal paper and then

10:36

feel the positive psychology.

10:38

The more we get together together

10:42

together, the more

10:44

we get together happy

10:46

be because your friends are

10:49

my friends and my friends are

10:51

your friends. The more we get

10:53

together happy, you will

10:55

be. Lorie

10:58

isn't just a professor at yet. She

11:00

also lives on campus. She's ahead

11:03

of college, which means she's kind of like a

11:05

dorm mom. Laurie eats her meals

11:07

with students, and she's there to experience

11:09

the ups and downs of college life. When

11:12

I took on that new role, I was expecting college

11:14

to be, you know, fun and parties.

11:16

What I wasn't expecting to see was the

11:19

mental health crisis up close and personal, with

11:28

so many students reporting that they feel depressed

11:30

and anxious, and even ones that weren't

11:32

you know, having like diagnosed mental health condition

11:35

were still just stressed and kind

11:37

of fast forwarding life, you know, and ask students like

11:39

how's it going to be, Like, oh, I can just fast

11:41

forward to mid terms or if I can just get

11:43

like to the weekend, And

11:46

it's like, you only get four years,

11:49

you know, for our five years of college, right,

11:51

you know, if you're lev seven,

11:53

you only get seven years of college. You know,

11:55

it just felt so sad that they were kind of watching

11:58

them fast forward through. And so my interest

12:00

in the happiness stuff came out of

12:02

wanting to teach my students some better strategies,

12:05

right I did. I didn't like seeing them so depressed and anxious,

12:07

and I really wanted to help. And

12:17

I realized, you know, this is such a universal problem

12:20

where we feel like we're not doing it well. And

12:22

if you're a parent, you know, it becomes an even worse

12:24

universal problem because you're thinking not

12:27

just about your own happiness, but what you can do to

12:29

ensure that your kids are happy too. How

12:32

do we get this back as adults if we become unhappier

12:35

as we age. Yeah, I think, you

12:37

know, this is actually something that I think about a

12:39

lot, and the fact that I've been working on a lot, because

12:41

you know, I sometimes pontificate and give

12:43

all this advice about happiness that I'm not necessarily

12:46

following myself. And one

12:48

thing I realized often causes me not to

12:50

have fun is that I'm just too hard on myself.

12:52

Right, It's hard for me to take a playful attitude because

12:54

I'm just so scared I'm not going to be perfect or mess

12:57

up or you know, sometimes fun things require

12:59

being a beginner. Learning some new game or

13:01

some new skill can be fun, but not if

13:03

you're like I have to be perfect. Oh my gosh, I'm

13:05

so embarrassed, like how am I not perfect? And

13:07

so I think the first step to dealing

13:10

with that is to not worry about

13:12

other people, because they're not usually as bad as you are.

13:14

Judging yourself anyway, it's to work

13:16

on your own self compassion. You

13:18

know, that really resonates with me as a stand

13:20

up comedian because everything

13:22

I do is based on people's reactions, but

13:25

it's never as terrible as the reaction

13:28

I have afterwards. Like after a

13:30

I'll think I was like, oh my gosh, I bombed.

13:33

People will go, hey, that was really great. They will sincerely

13:35

say it was great, But inside I'm like, oh

13:38

that was terrible. Um, well,

13:41

why why am I doing this? Doctor? Why

13:43

do I do this to myself? Why did I choose

13:46

to risk public humiliation

13:49

as a career. You

13:51

know the theme of so many of these things in

13:53

this happiness field is that our minds lie to

13:55

us. We think you're being so hard

13:57

on yourself because it's going to make you better, you know, if

14:00

not harsh on yourself, if you give yourself the

14:02

benefit of the doubt, you're just not going to be a good

14:04

comedian. Right. We think we have to be this

14:06

you mean, integral sergeant to ourselves

14:08

to get anything done, to be good at anything. But

14:11

again, this is a spot where if you look at the scientific

14:13

literature, it shows that our intuition here

14:16

is just wrong. Researchers in the

14:18

field of self compassion actually looked at veterans

14:20

from Afghanistan and taught them,

14:23

you know, ways of being more self compassionate.

14:25

And what they found is that these veterans who

14:27

experienced self compassion are less likely

14:30

to develop something like PTSD, you know, they're

14:32

less likely to be anxious after ward. So

14:34

interesting. My my parents have gone through a

14:36

lot of trauma, and especially my

14:38

mom, and they've been through so much together.

14:41

You know, my dad was a political prisoner. He

14:43

had some mental health issues the last ten years

14:45

of his life. He had Alzheimer's disease

14:48

until he finally passed away about four

14:50

years ago. And my mom is

14:52

so resilient she could still find humor

14:55

in any situation. We're

14:57

at the funeral home after my dad dies.

15:00

We're sad, and my mom asked

15:02

the person there if they offer a senior discount,

15:04

and we just all start laughing, and she's

15:06

always she is the Queen of gallows humor.

15:09

What is it about finding

15:11

humor or laughter in the darkest moments?

15:15

Yeah, well, I think it's you know, it's just a way

15:17

of kind of shifting your perspective. And

15:19

this is something you know that so much

15:21

of the research shows. It's also something that

15:23

I think a lot of really very

15:25

wise ancient traditions showed us too. You

15:28

know. The Buddhists had this wonderful

15:31

parable that they call the parable of the second

15:33

Arrow. The

15:39

way it goes is that Buddha asks his disciples,

15:41

you know, if a guy's walking down the street and he gets shot with an

15:43

arrow, is that bad? Disciple say, yeah,

15:45

it sucks to get shot with an arrow, And Buddha asked,

15:47

you know, is it worse to get shot with a second arrow?

15:50

You imagine, like you know, arrow number two comes and strikes

15:52

you again, is that worse? People say, yeah,

15:54

that, you know sucks twice as much to give us, you know,

15:56

struck with you arrows, And

15:59

Buddhist as you know, the first arrow is life.

16:01

That's your circumstances. That's what they call duca.

16:04

That's suffering. You can't avoid

16:06

that, right, that's the you get alzheimer, as you get

16:08

deaths in life. You have bad circumstances. But

16:14

the second arrow is your reaction to

16:16

it. And Buddha says, you know, the second

16:18

arrow is the most painful one because it's shot

16:20

by ourselves. Like whenever we get hit

16:22

with the second arrow, it's us reacting in a

16:24

bad way, and it's worth remembering that we

16:26

can always control our second arrow.

16:32

You know, this kind of advice for me has been really powerful

16:34

because there's so many times in our life

16:36

when our misery is caused by us.

16:49

Listening to Laurie, it explains so

16:51

much about my mom, and it made

16:53

me wonder about Raffie too. He's

16:55

also always found his way back to a playful

16:58

place, even if it was it nurtured

17:00

in his childhood. No one had

17:02

to encourage it.

17:05

It was just there, as

17:07

it is in all children, you

17:09

know. I think maybe the

17:11

more interesting question is who

17:14

discouraged it. Let's

17:20

put it this way. There were many adults in

17:22

my life as a child who

17:26

didn't quite appreciate how the

17:28

needs for play was so strong within

17:31

me as a as a child. But

17:33

that's a long, long conversation. It's

17:35

it's not easy to put it into a short

17:38

answer. Um,

17:41

I don't know what else to say at the moment, Hey,

17:58

Tony, how's it going. It's going well.

18:01

Gosh, you sound so good and I

18:03

do not sound good. I don't know you should hear it

18:05

from this vantage point, it sounds great, good.

18:08

God. I need a lot of affirmation,

18:10

constant affirmation, so do I actually,

18:13

But thank you so much for talking to

18:15

me this morning and taking the time. There

18:18

are a few people who get paid to be playful

18:20

and do it with such fun abandoned like

18:23

Tony Hale. You probably know

18:25

Tony as Buster Bluth from Arrested Development

18:27

and Gary Walsh on Veep. In

18:29

real life, he's a dad to his teenage

18:32

daughter Lloyd. I wanted

18:34

to talk to Tony because it's his job

18:36

to be America's man child, so

18:39

he's got to be the guy who knows how to keep that kid

18:41

like feeling alive into adulthood. It's

18:43

so funny because there's such a playful side in the characters

18:46

that you've played. And um,

18:48

I'm wondering if that's if

18:50

that's just who you are. Are you like, where

18:53

does that come from?

18:55

Um? I think yeah. I mean I will

18:58

say, like Buster and

19:00

Gary, there's a I think there's an anxiety

19:02

through line. When I was a kid, I

19:04

was very anxious. I was an

19:06

asthmatic kid, and I had a lot of anxiety around

19:09

that. And I think I was

19:11

when I was a kid, I just wanted everybody to like me

19:13

and a lot of people pleasing stuff.

19:15

And I had panic attacks when I was a

19:17

kid. And so even though that

19:20

sucked walking through that as a kid, it's been it

19:22

is nice to kind of bring it into your work, like, I

19:24

know what, I know what a panic attack feels like,

19:26

I know I know what severe anxiety

19:29

can how that can manifest. And so

19:31

it's nice to kind of have that history.

19:34

Even though it's not something that I struggle

19:36

with as much as I used to, I really

19:39

kind of relate to this anxiety,

19:41

you know, and I am so

19:44

cautious of it and I really don't want

19:46

to like pass it down to

19:48

my daughter, you know. And so even though when

19:50

I'm with her, I do feel a great sense of calm

19:54

uh and peace, then I I don't know

19:56

I've ever felt like it's just such a warm

19:58

and beautiful feeling. But

20:00

some days I look at the front page to the newspaper,

20:04

um and it seems like it's going to end today, you

20:06

know, And so of course,

20:08

of course, yeah, um, how do you,

20:10

like, do you talk to your daughter about these big

20:13

issues that are going on in the world, like climate

20:15

change or the pandemic, or even anxiety.

20:17

How do I navigate this? Yeah,

20:20

and it's it is hard. You've

20:28

obviously heard of helicopter parenting. That's a very

20:30

common term. But there's a new one I've

20:32

heard called snowplow parenting, where

20:35

you you just you just try to remove

20:37

all challenges in front of them

20:40

because you don't want them to walk through anything, which, by

20:42

the way, I completely get. I don't want my daughter

20:44

to be in pain. I don't want her to have anxiety.

20:46

I don't want I don't want to be challenged. I want to

20:48

remove all challenges so that she has a

20:50

very easy and smooth path. The

20:54

fact is, like you and I are who we are because of

20:56

what we've been through, and so I have to

20:59

I want so bad to fix and be like, Okay, this is how

21:01

you can get around that challenge. This is how

21:03

you can take this, you know, shortcut, and

21:06

it's like no, I mean I gotta sit and listen

21:08

and understand and allow her to walk through it.

21:10

And that is really hard. It's really

21:12

hard. How

21:15

do you harness fun in spite

21:17

of all the crap that's out there? Like what, like,

21:20

what has it done for you to find happiness or

21:22

laughter even in these dark moments?

21:25

Yeah? I mean, this has obviously

21:27

been a very challenging two years for

21:29

so many people. But

21:32

at the same time, I

21:34

think it has it has forced me to slow

21:36

down and even though it's been very

21:38

frustrating, Like my

21:41

daughter and I have kind of watch movies.

21:43

We try to watch movies outside I

21:45

don't know, Like we watch YouTube

21:49

videos together and just I

21:51

cannot it makes me laugh so hard.

21:54

There's these YouTube videos of like people

21:56

going on these roller coaster rides and screaming

22:00

and her and I just like, how there's

22:02

this one YouTube of it's really gross,

22:04

but these have you seen that YouTube about the

22:06

parents and if they're

22:08

in the bathroom and they asked their kid to get them

22:10

toilet paper and the kid

22:13

comes in, comes in with toilet paper and

22:15

then they put in the tela on

22:18

their arms, as they're walking away and

22:20

then they're and then they're like, oh my gosh,

22:22

oh no, and these kids, these kids

22:24

are like and they just absolutely

22:26

lose it. It is the funny thing. I'll

22:30

take that over any sitcom and so like

22:32

we just like try to find stuff like that and

22:34

laugh. Did you play a lot of music for your

22:36

daughter when she was growing up? Yeah,

22:39

we did, and we we always love when

22:42

she was little. I missed those times we would

22:44

little. We would always go to those play spaces

22:46

and with other parents and you'd sit around a

22:48

circle and you'd sing the songs. And

22:51

when I was youtubeing Raffie last

22:53

night, just those kids and that kind of five

22:56

to six range where they don't give any

22:58

crap about what people think of them or if

23:00

it's cool or anything like that,

23:02

and they just fully engage and

23:05

then he engages back. It's that age

23:07

is a really really beautiful age. It's

23:10

so cool. We just actually started taking

23:12

my daughter to a music class on Monday

23:15

mornings and as

23:17

soon as um, you

23:19

know, the teacher of the musician starts playing

23:22

like she goes bonkers, and it's

23:24

like so free. She she's not self

23:26

conscious at all. She starts like wiggling

23:28

and throwing your arms up, and

23:31

it's such a beautiful and pure

23:33

thing um to watch. Yeah,

23:36

and it's it. Actually it actually switches

23:39

now and my donors fifteen. So now I do

23:41

all those actions and she's humiliated by

23:44

it, just like I was never humiliated

23:47

by my challenge. She was young, but now

23:49

I'm like the freak and she's like, you really

23:51

need to just settle down. I

23:54

couldn't let Tony go without getting his

23:56

take on Banana Phone. I just

23:58

want to sit here and list and two

24:01

Raffi song Banana Phone with you

24:04

ring ring ring, ring, ring, ring ring,

24:06

Banana Phone. I

24:10

love that so much. Do you know what I love

24:12

about what he's doing is he's

24:14

giving permission to these kids. You

24:17

know, everybody looks at a banana and wants

24:19

to pick up the banana, go hey glow Like it's

24:21

just kind of it's just a common

24:23

thing. But it gives a child permission

24:26

to be silly, a child permission

24:28

to kind of think beyond kind of whatever

24:30

their present narrative is. And

24:32

it's like, man, that is such a gift,

24:35

I think to so many people. We

24:37

all need it. To call a

24:39

friend of mine, don't need

24:41

computer or TV to

24:43

have a real good time. I'll

24:46

call for pizza, I'll call my cat,

24:49

I'll call the Whitre house, have a chat

24:51

in my place, to call around

24:53

the world cooperator, get me bei

24:55

Jing Jing jing Jing. Over

25:01

the past months, I've spoken to Raffie

25:03

a lot, and more than just a few

25:05

times. He showed me his playful side,

25:07

cracking jokes and just playing around.

25:10

You know, long before the iPhone, there

25:12

was the b phone. Yeah,

25:14

the banana phone pre dated the iPhone

25:16

by many years and I'm still

25:18

going strong and it hasn't been reinvented.

25:21

It's uh a pocket cellular,

25:24

if you will. At

25:28

first, I thought it was his way of breaking the

25:30

ice and dealing with the awkwardness of being

25:32

interviewed. Then I wondered if

25:34

it was his way of deflecting a question he

25:36

didn't want to answer. But now

25:39

I see it as his mission, like he

25:41

chose to be playful as a way to survive.

25:44

Maybe it's how he deals with his strict upbringing,

25:47

his divorce, or as an escape from witnessing

25:49

a dying planet. It's

25:52

amazing the amount of play

25:54

that has been in my songs. Overtly,

25:58

I sometimes listen to my old stuff and I

26:00

go, RAPI, you dog, look

26:02

at what you did, man, I

26:08

just kind of you know, I really went for it

26:10

at every point, I just yeah, baby,

26:13

So you know, it's just

26:16

my way of enjoying every single day.

26:18

Joy is not something to be postponed

26:22

ever. I love

26:24

a great comeback. Story

26:27

plays a way of life. Really, it's

26:30

an intelligence and a way

26:32

of life. And I actually

26:34

think, um that as

26:37

we grow older, we're not meant to lose play.

26:40

I think we're actually meant to deepen our faculties

26:42

in it. Next

27:04

time on Finding Raffie, you

27:06

know, are you only just gonna remember me

27:08

for my six little ducks and apples

27:11

and bananas and baby Buluga?

27:14

That you're gonna look at my second career, my

27:16

child honoring work. What about

27:18

my thirty years as a climate activist?

27:21

Will you take a look at all

27:24

this music and advocacy activism?

27:26

Will you see the coherence in it? The

27:29

Earth and child link. Finding

27:37

Raffi is a production of My Heart Radio

27:40

and Fatherly in partnership with Rococo

27:42

Punch. It's produced by Catherine

27:44

Finalosa, Meredith Hannig, and

27:46

James Trout. Production assistance

27:48

from Charlotte Livingston Alex French

27:51

is our story consultant. Our senior

27:53

producer is Andrea Swahee. Emily

27:55

Foreman is our editor. Fact checking

27:58

by Andrea Lopez Crusade. M raph

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E's music is courtesy of Troubadour Music

28:04

Special thanks to Kim Layton at Troubadour.

28:07

Our executive producers are Jessica Albert

28:09

and John Parotti at Rococo, punch Ty

28:12

Trimble, Mike Rothman and Jeff Eisenman

28:14

at Fatherly and Me. Chris Garcia,

28:17

thank you for listening. Your

28:25

name is probably the most fun friendly

28:28

name you can have rap because it

28:30

rhymes with daffy. That could

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be it