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a facility at Guantanamo Bay to

1:01

prepare to hold 30,000 migrants. And

1:03

the US president is said to

1:06

have settled his lawsuit against meta.

1:08

We're told the company will pay

1:11

$25 million for suspending his account

1:13

after January 6th. RFK Jr. Clashes

1:15

with Democrats over vaccines and abortion

1:18

rights. And yesterday we spoke to

1:20

the founder of a charity trapped

1:22

amid fighting in the DRC. Today

1:24

he tells us of his escape.

1:27

That conversation and plenty more coming

1:29

up. But first, President Donald

1:31

Trump ordering to prepare the U.S.

1:33

naval base at Guantanamo Bay in

1:36

Cuba to house tens of thousands

1:38

of migrants. Today I'm also

1:40

signing an executive order to

1:42

instruct the Departments of Defense

1:44

and Homeland Security to begin

1:47

preparing the 30,000 person migrant

1:49

facility at Guantanamo Bay. Most

1:51

people don't even know about

1:53

it. We have 30,000 beds

1:55

in Guantanamo. And you're speaking

1:58

just ahead of signing the Lake.

2:00

Riley Act into law, the first

2:02

bill of his second presidency, we

2:04

should note. It requires the detention

2:07

of undocumented migrants charged with or

2:09

convicted of certain crimes, including theft

2:11

and burglary. Under the Trump administration,

2:13

we're moving with urgency and speed to

2:15

get these vicious and violent criminals the

2:18

hell out of our country and to

2:20

restore law in order to our suburbs,

2:22

our cities, and our towns. The law

2:24

is named after Lake and Riley

2:26

a 22 year old nursing student

2:29

who was killed last year while

2:31

out for a run in Georgia

2:33

an undocumented immigrant from Venezuela was

2:35

convicted and sentenced to life in

2:37

prison over her killing Meanwhile, the

2:39

White House has now rescinded a memo

2:41

that froze federal grants and loans creating

2:43

widespread confusion earlier this week. CNN politics

2:45

senior reporter Stephen Collinson is with me

2:48

now. So Stephen, I actually want to

2:50

start with the category of his first

2:52

bill of this second presidency, immigration, because

2:54

he signed the Lake and Riley Act,

2:56

but he also used the opportunity to

2:58

announce he'll be ordering the federal government

3:00

to repair that 30,000 person migrant facility

3:02

at the Guantanamo Bay, naval base to

3:05

house migrants. So he's now signed the

3:07

memo to do that. What is it

3:09

signal to you that this was the

3:11

topic of his first bill sign? Well

3:13

immigration is what Trump believes

3:16

won him this election. A lot

3:18

of people would say it was

3:20

the high grocery prices but Trump

3:22

today as he has before since

3:25

he took... the oath of office,

3:27

says he believes it was immigration.

3:29

And so the Lake and Riley

3:31

bill is in memory of a

3:34

student in Georgia who was killed

3:36

by an undocumented migrant while she

3:38

was out jogging and her case

3:40

and the tragedy became a huge

3:43

point of contention during the election

3:45

campaign last year. It was seized

3:47

upon by Trump and Republicans to

3:49

give... some oxygen to their claims

3:51

that they needed to be a

3:53

much harder line on immigration. So

3:55

that's why this was such an

3:58

important bill for him to... It

4:00

was a bipartisan bill, some

4:02

Democrats signed it, which I

4:04

think shows us how the

4:06

American public has moved to

4:08

the right somewhat on immigration.

4:10

It requires detention for undocumented

4:13

migrants accused of violent crimes.

4:15

Now, the Guantanamo thing is

4:17

really interesting because of course

4:19

this is very symbolic. For

4:21

Trump, it is a symbol

4:23

of toughness. He's been cultivating

4:25

this image of strength when

4:27

it comes to immigration. and

4:30

Guantanamo Bay where the 9-11

4:32

terrorists were held. is seen

4:34

in that light by many

4:36

Americans. Of course, for Democrats,

4:38

it's a symbol of ruptured

4:40

due process. Khalid Sheikh Muhammad,

4:42

one of the key architects

4:44

of 9-11, is still being

4:46

held at Guantanamo Bay, and

4:48

the reason is because they

4:50

can't bring him to trial

4:52

a civilian courts because of

4:55

enhanced interrogation techniques. So for

4:57

many liberals and people in

4:59

the United States and abroad...

5:01

Guantanamo Bay is a stain

5:03

on America's reputation. So I

5:05

think this is going to

5:07

be very politically significant in

5:09

the days ahead. Yeah, and this facility

5:11

at the naval base expected to hold

5:13

up to 30,000 capacities. So we'll see

5:15

the speed at which that becomes potentially

5:18

used. I also want to ask about

5:20

the other bit of news we've been

5:22

following today because the White House also

5:24

rescinded a memo that froze federal grants

5:26

and loans and of course created some

5:29

confusion at the very least anxiety for

5:31

many groups across the country. It's also

5:33

faced some legal challenges. But do you

5:35

see this dynamic as a one-off, a

5:38

just getting started situation situation or... or

5:40

one that comes with the territory

5:42

of rapid and sweeping executive

5:44

action? Well, I think we

5:47

could say that Donald Trump

5:49

lost his opening battle with

5:51

the US government, but this

5:53

war that he and Elon

5:55

Musk will wage against federal

5:58

officials and what they say. as

6:00

bloated government spending will continue

6:02

and will intensify. This was a

6:04

real fast. The White House

6:06

announced this freeze, temporary freeze on

6:08

federal spending earlier this week,

6:10

but nobody really knew what it

6:12

meant and it led to

6:14

the shutdown of many federal programs

6:16

throughout the state. It's great

6:18

confusion about what it meant, for

6:20

example, for Meals on Wheels

6:22

programs or healthcare for seniors. There

6:24

was real panic and I

6:27

think, as you imply, it was

6:29

a case of the White House

6:31

trying to act very quickly

6:33

and with great symbolic dispatch

6:35

and it all went wrong

6:37

and they had to rescind

6:39

it today. I think it

6:41

is a sign, of course,

6:43

that Elon Musk's plans to gut

6:45

the federal government in terms of

6:47

spending and staffing is going to

6:49

cause a great deal of disruption

6:51

and it may be more disruption

6:53

than President Donald Trump had banked

6:55

on and it could end up

6:58

being very unpopular. So, in some

7:00

ways this is a warning for

7:02

the administration, but they're vowing to

7:04

press on. It's one of the

7:06

key goals of the second Trump

7:08

presidency to really/the size of the

7:10

federal government and to get rid

7:12

of, indeed, many bureaucrats who they

7:15

believe have long frustrated

7:17

the conservatives' aspirations of

7:19

Republican presidents. And we did

7:21

hear that in defending the freeze

7:23

the White House described it as

7:25

an evaluation period of sorts, but

7:27

definitely caused a lot of anxiety

7:29

for many groups across the country. Stephen

7:31

Collison really appreciated it. Thanks for

7:33

being here. Meanwhile, the Cuban government

7:35

strongly criticizing President Trump's plan to

7:37

detain migrants at that facility at

7:39

Guantanamo Bay. Patrick Oppmann is live in

7:42

Havana for us. So Patrick, I

7:44

mean, what is the government saying

7:46

at this point? They're

7:49

calling it an act of brutality, certainly

7:51

for the Cuban government, which has

7:54

received a lot of harsh criticism from

7:56

the U .S. over the years for

7:58

its own human rights records. this is

8:00

an opportunity to hit back. But

8:02

of course, you know, how this

8:04

is all going to work is

8:06

going to really be fastening to

8:09

watch unfold because, you know, over

8:11

the years, certainly the US Navy

8:13

Base in Guantanamo, which is very

8:15

much separate from the rest of

8:17

Cuba, we're talking about something that

8:19

really harkens back to the Cold

8:21

War. It's called the Cactus Curtain,

8:23

because of course, it is heavily

8:25

guarded on the US side by

8:28

the US Marines. that Cuba wants

8:30

in its territory, but they really can't do

8:32

anything about it. So this is not a

8:34

base you can really. access at all from

8:36

the Cuban side. I've been as close as

8:38

you can be in some of the off-limits

8:41

areas allowed by the government one time in

8:43

my more than a decade here in Cuba.

8:45

And it's just guard posts and a lot

8:47

of barbed wire. And there used to be

8:49

the largest minefield in the world there. So

8:51

certainly it is a secure place as any

8:54

in the world to house these people. I

8:56

imagine there would be flown in as we've

8:58

seen over the last several days by military

9:00

aircraft. And then how long, you

9:03

know, 30,000 migrants, if it reaches

9:05

that number, migrants that apparently no

9:07

other country wants to take, you

9:09

know, how long they would be

9:11

in essentially tent camp conditions at

9:13

the Guantanamo Navy base, you know,

9:15

that's not clear. Would they be

9:18

like the 9-11 terror suspects who

9:20

have spent years, if not decades

9:22

waiting trial? Would they be in

9:24

sort of this legal limbo that

9:26

exists on the base? And what

9:28

is their due process? What is

9:30

their... their right to see an

9:32

immigration judge mean if they are

9:34

essentially no longer on US soil

9:37

but on this military base that

9:39

is kind of a legal world

9:41

of its own. So it is

9:43

opening up the US to criticism

9:45

certainly as your previous guest Stephen

9:47

was saying you know this is

9:49

Trump's way of showing that he's

9:51

the toughest of the tough on

9:53

immigration because really over the years

9:55

of what people have described as

9:57

there's pretty much no tougher place

9:59

on... to be housed to be incarcerated

10:01

essentially as a Guantanamo Navy base. But

10:04

for these prisoners, and many of them

10:06

may even be Cuba on Cuban because

10:08

it does not appear at this point

10:10

that Cuba is going to accept any

10:12

of these deportation flights. So of course

10:15

that would be an incredible irony for

10:17

Cubans to be sent to this base

10:19

where they would essentially be back on

10:21

their island but unable to return home.

10:24

And that memo has been signed but

10:26

remains to be seen at the

10:28

pace with which this expected operation

10:30

gets going or this facility facility

10:32

begins use. Patrick Otman, really appreciate

10:34

the reporting from the ground in

10:36

Cuba for us. I want to

10:39

bring you another developing story out

10:41

of the Trump White House, a

10:43

source telling CNN that President Trump

10:45

has settled his lawsuit against meta.

10:47

Now the suit was related to

10:49

meta's decision to suspend Trump's account

10:51

after the January 6th capital riot.

10:54

agreement Wednesday at the White House

10:56

and we're told Meadow will pay

10:58

some 25 million dollars and that

11:01

most of the money will go

11:03

toward a future presidential library. Sarah

11:05

Fisher is a CNN media analyst

11:08

and Axios Media correspondent. Good to

11:10

see you Sarah. So can you

11:12

just explain the significance of what

11:14

we are learning here? Yeah so basically

11:17

this is meta. trying again to get

11:19

in good graces with the Trump administration.

11:21

You'll recall that over the past month,

11:23

they've done so much to curry favor

11:26

with Donald Trump and his cabinet. If

11:28

you think about it, Mark Zuckerberg has

11:30

now dined twice with Trump at Maralago,

11:32

once before Thanksgiving, and once in the

11:35

new year, he donated a million dollars

11:37

to Trump's inauguration fund. He showed up

11:39

to inauguration. He's rolled back DEA policies.

11:41

So all of these things suggest that

11:44

meta is trying really hard to really

11:46

get involved with the conservative era

11:48

in Washington DC. In making this

11:50

settlement today, they're essentially just continuing

11:53

on that path. One of the

11:55

things that's notable is that meta

11:57

stands by its content moderation policies.

11:59

with such conviction. So for them to

12:02

settle here basically is saying, look, we

12:04

are not defending what we did when

12:06

we banned your accounts after the January

12:08

6th siege. We are conceding that you

12:11

might have had a point. We don't

12:13

want to have any sort of bad

12:15

issues or bad blood going into the

12:17

next four years. So Sarah, take us

12:20

back to when this, when the suspension

12:22

first went into place. Feels like a

12:24

world of difference in regards to relationship

12:26

between Mark Zuckerberg and Donald Trump. But

12:28

just take us back to that point

12:31

when Donald Trump's account was actually suspended

12:33

after January 6. It was a wild

12:35

time because every single major tech company,

12:37

both from a social media perspective, but

12:40

also on the back end, you know,

12:42

cloud companies, website hosting companies. They all

12:44

were banning Donald Trump. I remember I

12:46

was writing a new story about this

12:48

every day, but the meta suspensions were

12:51

a big deal because you'll recall that

12:53

Donald Trump relied very heavily on meta

12:55

to run ads for his campaign. Once

12:57

you get suspended from these platforms, you

13:00

can no longer run ads. So there's

13:02

a lot of concern about how this

13:04

would impact Donald Trump's future business and

13:06

political dealings. When they brought him back

13:09

in 2023, it's good to remember. They

13:11

didn't just bring him back without conditions.

13:13

His accounts were subject to very certain

13:15

types of policy. to ensure that he

13:17

wouldn't violate their rules again. But now

13:20

it seems as though the bad blood

13:22

between meta and Donald Trump is finally

13:24

clearing up. And I think this settlement

13:26

really suggests how much they want to

13:29

make sure the air is cleared as

13:31

they face things like a major FTC

13:33

investigation in April and other potentially punitive

13:35

regulations that are being discussed on Capitol

13:38

Hill. And last thing, Sarah, what does

13:40

meta and Zuckerberg get out of this?

13:42

What do they get out of this?

13:45

Well, I think from a regulatory

13:47

perspective, they really want to ensure

13:49

that this government is going to

13:51

prioritize the needs of American companies

13:54

like meta. And they're trying to

13:56

frame this as a national security

13:58

advance over places like China. that

14:00

also have big social media apps

14:02

like TikTok. So for them, they

14:04

want to make sure that they

14:07

are embracing this deregulatory environment. I

14:09

also think for meta. scale is

14:11

super important for them. And so

14:13

they never wanted to isolate conservative

14:15

users. They had been framed as

14:17

being a progressive company for so

14:20

many years, in part because they're

14:22

Silicon Valley, and Silicon Valley tends

14:24

to have a lot of liberal

14:26

engineers and staffers, but also in

14:28

part because their content moderation policies

14:30

became very strict over the past

14:33

few years, and sort of shifting

14:35

to the right. Yes, it helps

14:37

them with their government affairs relationships,

14:39

but it also has helped them

14:41

send a broader message to the

14:43

American people. It's most lucrative user

14:46

base that Metas apps Facebook Instagram

14:48

WhatsApp are open for all types

14:50

of people across the political spectrum

14:52

Sarah Fisher really appreciate you being

14:54

here. Thanks for taking the time

14:56

Good to see you. Thank you.

14:59

Of course All right, Robert F.

15:01

Kennedy Jr. was grilled on Capitol

15:03

Hill about his past comments on

15:05

vaccines. Trump's pick for health secretary

15:07

also fielded questions about everything from

15:09

abortion to Lyme disease. Now his

15:12

nomination has faced skepticism from both

15:14

sides of the aisle, especially over

15:16

his past criticism of vaccines. Manu

15:18

Raju has more from Capitol Hill.

15:20

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Senate

15:22

Democrats in a contentious back and

15:25

forth during his high-stakes confirmation hearing

15:27

today. Kids might die, but Robert

15:29

Kennedy can keep cashing in. The

15:31

only thing I want is good

15:33

science, and that's it. With his

15:35

nomination to lead the nation's health

15:38

agencies on the line. Democrats time

15:40

and again took Kennedy to task

15:42

over his past statements on vaccines.

15:44

There's no vaccine that is, you

15:46

know, safe and effective. Are you

15:48

lying to Congress today when you

15:51

say you are pro-vaccine? Or did

15:53

you lie on all those podcasts?

15:55

I said, there are no vaccines

15:57

that are safe and effective and

15:59

I was going to continue for

16:01

every... person. Every medicine has people

16:04

who are sensitive to them. And

16:06

so bringing this up right now

16:08

is dishonest. And it's unfounded claim

16:10

that COVID targets people by their

16:12

ethnicity. The people who are most

16:14

men are asking us to choose.

16:17

Did you say that it targets

16:19

black and white people but spared

16:21

us? I quoted a study or

16:23

an NIH study that showed that

16:25

certain rate. But Kennedy, from the

16:27

start, argued he was not anti-Vax.

16:30

News reports have claimed that

16:32

I am anti-vaccine or any

16:34

industry. I am neither. I

16:36

am pro-saving. Republicans defended Kennedy.

16:38

a former Democrat who now

16:40

has vowed to stay in

16:43

line with Trump's positions, even

16:45

on issues like abortion. I

16:47

serve as a pleasure of

16:49

the president on getting implemented

16:51

his policies. And on Kennedy's

16:53

pledge to find answers on

16:55

causes of chronic illness. I

16:58

thought, wow, here's somebody from

17:00

the left, somebody I don't agree

17:02

with on many issues politically,

17:04

coming together with President

17:06

Trump. and

17:09

focusing on an area of agreement.

17:11

And all these Democrats are opposed to

17:13

me for partisan issues. They used to

17:16

be my friends. But as Kennedy sought

17:18

to ease GOP concerns over abortion, he

17:20

opened himself up to democratic attacks. My

17:23

question is exactly when did you decide

17:25

to sell out your life's work and

17:27

values to get this position? Senator,

17:29

I agree with President Trump

17:31

that every abortion is a

17:34

tragedy. Kennedy's fate could hinge

17:36

on Senator Bill Cassidy, the

17:39

GOP swing vote on the

17:41

committee, who refused to comment

17:43

after the hearing, after this

17:46

exchange. What reforms are you

17:48

proposing with these ideas vis-a-vis

17:51

Medicaid? Well, I don't have

17:53

a broad proposal for

17:55

dismantling the program. I

17:57

just... Join me now

17:59

is doctor Jonathan Reiner, CNN

18:01

medical analyst and professor

18:03

at George Washington University.

18:05

Thank you for being

18:07

here. Look, as a

18:09

medical professional, what did you

18:12

make of the hearing? Well, I

18:14

thought it was a desperate attempt

18:16

by Mr. Kennedy to convince the

18:18

Democrats on the panel that he's

18:20

not anti-vaccine and a

18:23

second desperate attempt to convince

18:25

the Republicans on the committee.

18:27

that he's not pro-choice.

18:29

What was really very

18:31

sort of hard to

18:33

swallow was Mr. Kennedy's

18:36

assertion that he's not, you

18:38

know, anti-vax, he's just

18:41

pro-safety. But, you know, the problem

18:43

with that is that he

18:45

spent an entire career really

18:48

disingenuously challenging

18:50

the safety of

18:52

vaccines. And the problem

18:54

is that if he's

18:56

pro-safety, he apparently doesn't feel

18:58

that any vaccine is safe

19:00

and he has said that

19:03

in the past. And again,

19:05

in my mind, this, you know,

19:07

hearing wasn't really about

19:09

understanding whether he is

19:12

qualified to be HHS

19:14

secretary. I think he's

19:17

grossly unqualified, but really

19:19

showing, you know, how completely

19:21

disqualified his lifelong

19:23

career. in basically challenging

19:26

the safety of vaccines,

19:28

promoting all kinds of

19:30

conspiracy theories, and being,

19:32

quite frankly, anti- sciences.

19:35

It really should disqualify

19:37

anyone from basically running

19:39

the largest health care system

19:42

in the world. And you know

19:44

as you mentioned you know he he

19:46

RFK pushed back on the idea that

19:48

he's a vaccine skeptic in the confirmation

19:50

hearing despite really an extensive record for

19:53

example of linking vaccines to autism in

19:55

children which has been disproven many times

19:57

in many many many studies but he

19:59

I also testified that all

20:01

of his kids are vaccinated.

20:04

I mean, what do you

20:06

believe a secretary Kennedy actually

20:08

means for vaccines? Yeah,

20:10

that's really disturbing to me,

20:13

that he and his wife may

20:15

have protected his children, but yet

20:17

then he founded an entity,

20:19

the children's defense organization,

20:22

children's health defense,

20:24

children's health defense, children's

20:27

health defense, which basically

20:29

has spent its existence

20:32

in doubting the safety of

20:34

vaccines and promoting, you

20:37

know, various conspiracy theories.

20:39

I think Senator Sanders

20:41

today showed photograph

20:43

of some merchandise that is

20:45

available on that on

20:48

his organizations or former

20:50

organizations website, which is

20:52

basically a onesie for

20:54

infants that says, you

20:56

know, no And this

20:58

is an entity that he found

21:01

it. So, you know, again, this sort

21:03

of reminds me of the,

21:05

during the COVID, the heat of

21:07

the COVID pandemic, when

21:09

we were trying to

21:11

vaccinate America and Republican

21:14

members of the House, understanding

21:16

that their constituents,

21:19

you know, had concerns about

21:21

vaccines. The members of

21:23

Congress vaccinated themselves. but

21:26

didn't tell their constituents

21:28

that they were vaccinated.

21:30

So they were willing

21:32

to expose their, you know, their

21:34

members and their districts to

21:36

the risks, but protect themselves.

21:39

So that's what Mr.

21:41

Kennedy's position seems to

21:43

me similar to. And I was going to

21:45

say another aspect of scrutiny I think in this

21:47

hearing was on the reproductive health side of things.

21:49

And if a pristine was raised, which of course

21:51

is one of the drugs used in a medication

21:53

abortion, and he wants the National Institutes of Health

21:56

and the FDA to study it even though it

21:58

was approved by the FDA back in 2000. 2000

22:00

and shown to be safe and

22:02

effective. I mean, what do you

22:04

believe a secretary Kennedy means for

22:06

existing drugs that have already deemed,

22:08

that have already been deemed, I

22:10

should say, to be safe and effective? This

22:13

is sort of the conceit. And he

22:15

says, like, and this goes also back

22:17

to the vaccines. He says, we really

22:19

need to understand if these agents are

22:22

safe and effective. But yet they've

22:24

all gone through extensive clinical

22:26

trials. Many of the vaccines have

22:29

actually been against placebos,

22:31

gone through extensive safety

22:33

and efficacy studies to

22:35

reach market, yet his sort

22:38

of off-stated stance is that

22:40

he's not doubting, you know,

22:42

these drugs. He just wants

22:44

to understand if they're

22:46

safe. He's just asking

22:48

questions. We've heard this before,

22:51

you know, from particularly

22:53

on conservative media sites

22:55

where people are just

22:57

asking questions. Why do we really

22:59

know about the safety of these vaccines?

23:02

We've heard this before. We heard this

23:04

during the COVID pandemic. What do we

23:06

know about the safety of mythopristo?

23:08

But these agents have been

23:10

extensively studied. There are no doubts

23:12

about the safety of mythopristo.

23:15

Dr. Jonathan Reiner, Professor of

23:17

Medicine and Surgery at George

23:19

Washington University. Thanks for being

23:21

here. Always appreciate the perspective.

23:24

Thanks so much. All right, straight

23:26

ahead, President Trump's pick for Commerce

23:28

Secretary comes out swinging against Chinese

23:30

AI sensation Deep Seek. All this

23:32

is China's alibaba reveals its new

23:34

move into the AI space. Plus,

23:37

a fetching new addition to the

23:39

world of robots. We introduce you

23:41

to the Tombot. Built to be

23:43

the perfect companion for people with

23:45

health challenges. We'll tell you more,

23:48

coming up. I'm

23:53

CNN tech reporter Claire Duffy. This

23:55

week on the podcast, Terms of

23:57

Service. Genetic testing can teach us

23:59

a lot. about ourselves and help

24:01

us understand the story of where

24:03

we came from. But they also

24:05

come with privacy questions about where

24:08

we're sending our DNA when we

24:10

take these tests. What did you

24:12

learn when you got the results

24:14

back? The person that they initially

24:16

thought was my biological father was

24:19

not. That's really a lot. Definitely.

24:21

Follow CNN's terms of service wherever

24:23

you get your podcasts. Welcome

24:27

back everyone. Red arrows for US

24:29

stocks topping today's money move, all

24:31

the major US averages losing ground,

24:34

but... Tech closing, well above its

24:36

session, lows, all this as US

24:39

Federal Reserve did the expected and

24:41

kept interest rates unchanged. The central

24:43

bank, pausing its rate-cutting campaign until

24:46

the pace of inflation and economic

24:48

growth becomes clearer. Fed chair Jerome

24:50

Powell sidestepped questions over whether he's

24:53

been pressured by President Trump to

24:55

further lower borrowing costs, even as

24:57

Trump criticized the Fed further Wednesday.

25:01

I'm not going to have any response or

25:03

comment whatsoever on what the president said.

25:05

It's not appropriate for me to do

25:07

so. The public should be confident that

25:09

we will continue to do our work

25:11

as we always have focusing on using

25:14

our tools to achieve our goals and

25:16

really keeping our heads down and doing

25:18

our work and that's how we best

25:20

serve the public. Meanwhile, Nevada's

25:22

shares remain highly volatile. Its shares

25:24

fell 4% amid ongoing concerns over

25:27

China's deep-seek artificial intelligence model and

25:29

the threat Chinese AI poses to

25:31

U.S. tech overall. Chinese tech giant

25:34

Ali Baba announced Wednesday that it

25:36

has developed a new AI model

25:39

that it claims is even more

25:41

powerful than deep-seek. All this, as

25:43

Open AI, the parent company of

25:46

ChatGBT, tells the Financial Times, that

25:48

it has evidence Deep Seek uses

25:50

its proprietary technology, I should say

25:53

its proprietary technology, to help train

25:55

its AI model without permission. President

25:57

Trump's pick for Commerce Secretary.

26:00

Howard Lutnik leveled some serious

26:02

charges against Deep Seek at

26:04

a confirmation hearing on Wednesday.

26:06

They were able to create

26:08

things dirt cheap, how, by leveraging

26:10

what they've taken from us, stolen

26:12

from us, or leveraged from us.

26:15

It's outrageous and it needs to

26:17

be addressed. Now Lutnik

26:19

says he will pursue policies to

26:21

keep the U.S. in the lead

26:23

over China on AI. Bloomberg now

26:26

reporting the U.S. is considering further

26:28

limiting Chinese access to Nevada chips.

26:30

Now the latest deep-seek news comes

26:32

as some of the biggest U.S.

26:34

tech firms report profits and give

26:36

glimpses into the outlook for their

26:38

business. Microsoft, the largest investor in

26:40

open AI, saw its earnings beat

26:42

estimates, but cloud computing results came

26:44

up short. Meta, which like Deep

26:46

Seek, has developed a cheaper open source

26:48

AI model, is they're out with a

26:51

disappointing sales outlook. I guess that's how

26:53

you would say it. And Elon Musk

26:55

Tesla. And Elon Musk Tesla, whose

26:57

future is all about robotaxies, is

26:59

out with weaker than expected earnings

27:01

in sales. So a lot of

27:04

data here, that's why I've got

27:06

Dan Ives, who is joining me.

27:08

He is a managing director and

27:10

senior equity research analyst at Wedbush

27:12

Securities. All right, I just talked

27:14

about a lot of different tech

27:16

outlooks. What do you see in the numbers

27:19

here? Look, I think overall, the

27:21

pretty robust numbers when it comes

27:23

to meta, because of the overall

27:25

AI strategy. I think stronger than

27:27

expected. And then I think with Microsoft

27:29

mixed numbers, I think longer term is

27:31

clearly robust in terms of the broader

27:33

AI build out, but at least in the

27:35

near term, they're going to continue to

27:37

have to sort of invest. And for

27:40

Tesla, it's all about the AI story. I

27:42

think that's as bullish as they've seen much

27:44

when it comes to AI and autonomous on

27:46

the conference call. Yeah, let's talk AI because

27:48

obviously look deep seek shock the US

27:51

markets initially You've got open AI accusing

27:53

it of using proprietary knowledge to help

27:55

train its AI model when I should

27:57

point out open AI is also facing

27:59

lawsuits accusing it of illegally using

28:02

copyrighted internet data to train

28:04

its systems. Regardless, what do

28:06

you see as Deep Seek's

28:08

future growth prospects when its

28:10

American competitors, for example, are

28:12

spending billions? Look, it was a

28:14

shot across the bow from China. I mean,

28:16

the reality is, and I think as more

28:19

facts come out, you know, did they really

28:21

spend six million and they didn't use a

28:23

video chips? You know, that would be obviously

28:26

a huge question. The reality is

28:28

that these models are going to

28:30

get cheaper and cheaper. But it

28:32

doesn't change the AI story

28:34

because when it comes to

28:36

enterprise, consumer build-outs, you need invidia,

28:39

you need the hyperscowers, Microsoft,

28:41

Amazon, Google. And when you

28:43

put it together, you got

28:45

two trillion of AI catbacks

28:48

the next three years. Deep Seek,

28:50

a $6 million dollar AI lab,

28:52

that's not moving the needle there

28:54

when it comes to the US tech. Look,

28:56

on a separate but related topic,

28:58

the Fed today paused, interest rate

29:01

cuts. How are you interpreting the

29:03

pause? I mean, do you, how

29:05

might the thinking shift, I should

29:07

say, if Trump's promised 25% tariffs,

29:10

for example, on Mexico and

29:12

Canada go into place this weekend?

29:14

Look, this is a Pillsbury-Doe Boy

29:16

soft landing. I mean, you got

29:19

to give all credit to Powell,

29:21

and they'll probably call it, you

29:23

know, twice later this year. But

29:25

right now, they got to stay the course.

29:27

And I think that was a great

29:30

sort of tightrope that Powell did. Street

29:32

overall liked it. Cuts will come later

29:34

this year, but inflation, they need to,

29:37

you know, definitely, it's a

29:39

tight wire act relative to where they

29:41

are. Yeah. Dan Ives of Wedbush

29:43

Securities, thanks for being here.

29:45

Thank you. All right, everyone. We'll

29:47

be right back. Three

29:53

more Israeli hostages along with five

29:55

Thai nationals held in Gaza expected

29:57

to be freed on Thursday Israel

29:59

has now received the names of

30:02

the three Israelis. They are 29-year-old

30:04

Arbel Yehoud, Agam Berger, who's 19,

30:06

and 80-year-old Gadi Moses. Now the

30:08

hostages and missing families forum is

30:11

welcoming the news of the expected

30:13

release. A key Trump administration official

30:15

has made his first trip to

30:17

the region amid a fragile ceasefire

30:20

between Israel and Hamas. CNN's Jerusalem

30:22

correspondent Jeremy Diamond has more for

30:24

us. This was Steve Woodcock's

30:26

first visit to the region since

30:29

becoming President Trump's special envoy for

30:31

the Middle East, and he not

30:33

only visited Israel today, but he

30:35

was also in Gaza, becoming the

30:38

first U.S. official in more than

30:40

a dozen years to visit the

30:42

strip. A source familiar with the

30:44

matter, telling me that he did

30:46

so alongside the Minister for Strategic

30:49

Affairs in Israel, Ron Dermur, who

30:51

is also one of Prime Minister

30:53

Netanyahu's top advisers. for much of

30:55

the war, separating the northern part

30:57

of the strip from the rest

31:00

of Gaza, but now Israeli forces

31:02

have withdrawn from the area. And

31:04

instead, it's where we've seen these

31:06

scenes of Palestinians returning to northern

31:09

Gaza. It's also where there is

31:11

now a U.S. checkpoint manned by

31:13

U.S. private security contractors checking vehicles

31:15

on their way to northern Gaza.

31:17

foreign leader to sit down with

31:20

President Trump at the White House

31:22

since he came into office for

31:24

this second term and that meeting

31:26

will come at a critical moment

31:28

as Israel and Hamas are set

31:31

to resume negotiations next week over

31:33

the next phases of this ceasefire

31:35

agreement whether or not it can

31:37

be extended beyond the six weeks.

31:39

It also comes as the Israeli

31:42

military is ramping up military operations

31:44

in the occupied West Bank and

31:46

as the Israeli Defense Minister Israel

31:48

Katz says that Israeli military operations

31:51

in Janine aren't just going to

31:53

be limited to rooting out militants

31:55

but rather that the Israeli military

31:57

plans to keep an extended presence

31:59

in the Janine refugee camp. We

32:02

are now also on the cusp

32:04

of three more hostages being released.

32:06

And we've now learned the names

32:08

of those three set to be

32:10

released tomorrow. Arbel Yehoud, a 29-year-old

32:13

who was taken captive from Kibbutz

32:15

near Oz, also from Kibbutz near

32:17

Oz, also from Kibbutz near Oz.

32:19

He is 80 years old. One

32:22

of the oldest hostages still being

32:24

held in Gaza. Five Thai hostages.

32:26

we are told are also set

32:28

to be released, though their identities

32:30

are unknown at this point. That

32:33

is in addition to the framework

32:35

of those 33 hostages set to

32:37

be released throughout these six weeks.

32:39

Jeremy Diamond, thank you so much.

32:41

Meanwhile, government forces are battling a

32:44

rebel takeover in Goma, a key

32:46

city in the Democratic Republic of

32:48

Congo. There are reports of foreign

32:50

peacekeepers being killed and hundreds of

32:53

others injured. One resident told CNN

32:55

that people are hiding in their

32:57

homes and don't have electricity or

32:59

water. Eight agencies say the hospitals

33:01

are overwhelmed and there's concern over

33:04

crimes against civilians. CNN's Larry Maduro

33:06

has more on the escalating violence.

33:08

There are bodies lying on the

33:10

streets of Goma in the Eastern

33:12

Democratic Republic of Congo. That's according

33:15

to eyewitnesses talking to CNN, as

33:17

well as human rights groups. Some

33:19

of these bodies have been on

33:21

the street for a few days

33:24

without getting picked up, as the

33:26

fighting has intensified between the M23

33:28

rebel group and the Congolese army

33:30

and their respective allies. Women have

33:32

been raped, the UN says, and

33:35

homes have been looted. This fight

33:37

has escalated in the last few

33:39

days, as the M23 rebel group

33:41

has claimed control of Roma, which

33:43

the Congolese government has fallen short

33:46

of denying. The Congolese government blames

33:48

Rwanda directly for arming and supporting

33:50

the M23 rebel and now says,

33:52

Rwanda has attacked the sovereignty of

33:54

the Democratic Republic of Congo, and

33:57

the world is doing nothing. That's

33:59

a conundrum spokesperson who spoke to

34:01

CNN who spoke to CNN. the

34:03

UN Security Council held Another emergency

34:06

meeting about the situation in the

34:08

Eastern DRC after this 30-year-old conflict

34:10

fled out into the open again,

34:12

and there was a war war

34:14

between the Rwandan and the Congolese

34:17

envoys. What more will Rwanda do

34:19

to continue to abuse your respect

34:21

and your authority? What international instrument

34:23

must it violate for the Council

34:25

to finally take necessary measures against

34:28

Kigali? From the United Nations Charter

34:30

to international humanitarian law to human

34:32

rights and also the Luanda and

34:34

Nairobi peace processes, Rwanda has proven

34:37

time and again that your statements

34:39

mean absolutely nothing. I'd like to

34:41

recall that these attacks are not

34:43

the first, but the latest of

34:45

a long list of provocative actions

34:48

by the government of the DRC.

34:50

I'd like to also recall that

34:52

Rwanda has already shown a shown

34:54

restraint and sought to engage the

34:56

DRC in dealing with the root

34:59

causes of insecurity in the region

35:01

and along our common border. People

35:03

in Goma and in the eastern

35:05

DRC are scared. eyewitnesses tell CNN

35:08

they've heard bombing, they've heard gunfire,

35:10

many have not been able to

35:12

leave their homes. The city of

35:14

Tamilian is cut off from the

35:16

rest of the country. People who

35:19

can are fleeing into Rwanda across

35:21

the border. The airport has been

35:23

closed since Rebels claimed control of

35:25

the city. And in this escalating

35:27

situation, there are no winners. There

35:30

have been strong statements from the

35:32

United States from the East African

35:34

community from the Southern African Development

35:36

Corporation who are all calling for

35:38

a ceasefire. Emergency meetings led by

35:41

President William Ruto of Kenya, President

35:43

Samiyahu of Tanzania, representing the respective

35:45

regional groups. No word yet on

35:47

what came out of that. And

35:50

if President Paul Kaggami of Rwanda

35:52

and President... Felix Chisakadi came to

35:54

an agreement about the way out

35:56

of this harrowing long-running conflict. Laramidawa,

35:58

CNN, Derisolam, Tanzania. Larry

36:01

Madoa, thank you. Coming up after

36:03

the break, a little bit of

36:05

a change of gear here, specifically

36:07

in the AI-driven therapy dog who

36:09

comforts the elderly and those facing

36:11

mental health or cognitive challenges. She's

36:13

been turning heads at the Consumer

36:15

Electronics Show and she's going to

36:17

turn yours coming up. She's up

36:19

next. A

36:25

startup that sparked a social revolution

36:28

and became a cautionary tale that

36:30

changed history. The new CNN original

36:32

series, Twitter Breaking the Bird, Sunday

36:35

at 10 on CNN. Welcome back

36:37

to First Move, everyone. Imagine owning

36:39

a pet dog without the vet

36:42

bills or the cleanup. This canine

36:44

companion could be the answer and

36:46

it was a big hit at

36:49

the recent Consumer Electronics Show in

36:51

Las Vegas. The Life-like Labrador, yes,

36:53

not a real Labrador, Life-like, is

36:56

designed though to support people with

36:58

dementia and those with anxiety, depression,

37:00

or even PTSD. It's autonomous and

37:03

can feedback information about its interactions

37:05

with a caregiver. Jenny, as it's

37:07

called, was designed by Jim Henson's

37:10

Creature Shop and has a long

37:12

pre-order list. Maybe you could add

37:14

to it to it. Stevens is

37:17

the CEO of Tom Bott and

37:19

joins me now. All right, tell

37:21

me about Jen. And there she

37:24

is. Tell me about Jenny. Oh,

37:26

well, thank you so much for

37:28

having us. So inspired by my

37:31

mother, who after she was diagnosed

37:33

with Alzheimer's dementia, and I had

37:35

to take away her dog for

37:38

safety reasons, I looked around for

37:40

substitutes for live animal companions, but

37:42

she didn't like anything that I

37:45

brought home. and I realize there

37:47

was a large gap in the

37:49

market. So we developed Jenny. Jenny

37:52

is designed specifically to treat the

37:54

behavioral and psychological symptoms of dementia,

37:56

reducing the need for certain medications,

37:59

including psychotropic medications, and it's are

38:01

aimed for Tombought puppies to be

38:03

both the first puppies to be

38:06

FDA medical devices and remote safety

38:08

and health monitoring platforms. I mean and

38:10

both incredibly important uses never mind

38:13

the fact that Jenny just looks

38:15

pretty cute. But to be clear

38:17

this this isn't about you know

38:19

replacing your actual dog, for example,

38:22

unless maybe you need to for

38:24

safety reasons. So the dog isn't

38:26

necessarily walking around the house, right?

38:28

I mean, where does Jenny sort

38:31

of fit in from a practical

38:33

standpoint? Certainly. So of the two

38:35

billion households in the world, about

38:37

one billion are not able to

38:39

keep live animals as pets for

38:41

reasons including health adversity. cost burden

38:43

of care and living restriction. And

38:45

so we found a tombot to

38:48

be in service to those people.

38:50

Our first product for dementia is

38:52

designed as a lap dog or

38:54

lap puppy. She's designed to lay

38:56

comfortably on the person's lap or

38:58

on the table or chair somewhere

39:00

close by where they can remain

39:02

in close contact. And one of the

39:04

things that we learned when we were doing

39:07

the research for this product is anything on

39:09

the ground presents a fall risk. for a

39:11

senior with dementia. So products in this category

39:13

are never placed on the ground, always placed

39:16

on a lap or once again table or

39:18

chair. And you know, you mentioned a little

39:20

bit of it earlier. Obviously as

39:22

cute as Jenny is, it comes

39:24

from a really serious reason, you

39:26

know, to bring comfort and support

39:28

to elderly people struggling with dementia.

39:30

dementia or children and adults facing

39:32

mental health challenges, anxiety, loneliness, autism,

39:34

depression, the list goes on. I

39:36

know you said you were inspired

39:38

by this to do this by

39:40

your mother and what she was

39:43

going through. Now that you are in

39:45

the stages and we see Jenny in

39:47

front of us, I mean what is

39:49

what is inspiring and motivating you to

39:51

keep going? Well

39:53

mental health is is it turned

39:55

out I began this journey really

39:57

to solve my mother's problem she

39:59

was she was really angry with

40:02

me and so just really to

40:04

salvage our relationship I began the

40:07

investigation only to learn that were

40:09

so many other people that share

40:11

her story. We, even though we

40:14

developed this first puppy for seniors

40:16

with dementia, about 71% of our

40:19

waitlist and pre-order customers have ordered

40:21

it for another use indication, like

40:23

the ones that you mentioned, children

40:26

with autism, adolescents and adults with

40:28

severe anxiety, depression, PTSD, suicide risk,

40:30

and people that simply live alone

40:33

are at risk of social isolation

40:35

and severe loneliness. There are a

40:37

lot of people that cannot keep

40:39

track of a puppy. And so

40:41

we're basically a pet for people

40:43

who cannot have pets, but we're

40:45

also providing a medical good while

40:47

we're there. And does Jenny, I mean,

40:50

maybe this is a dumb question, but

40:52

does Jenny speak bark? Does she make

40:54

sound? Let's see if we see if she's

40:56

going to pay attention for me.

40:58

Always, always good to do live

41:01

demos in front of a large audience.

41:03

Hey Jenny, want a treat? Good

41:09

girl. I think that

41:11

translates to it, yes.

41:13

So, designed to accurately emulate

41:16

an eight to 10 week

41:18

old Labrador retriever puppy, including

41:20

all authentic puppy sounds. We

41:22

studied with over 700 seniors

41:24

with dementia and we learned

41:26

they have a very strong

41:29

preference for realism Realism in

41:31

appearance in texture, but most

41:33

importantly realism and behaviors And

41:35

that's when we realized we

41:37

needed to team up with

41:39

the good folks at Jim

41:41

Henson's creature shop to provide all

41:44

the artistic design for our puppy

41:46

and so with their help we're

41:48

building what we believe to be

41:51

are the world's most realistic roboticatic

41:53

animals scientifically designed to stimulate emotional

41:55

attachment which provides that the mental

41:57

health benefits and then once a

42:00

we become a unique platform

42:02

for monitoring those seniors for

42:04

safety and health. Yeah, and that

42:06

unique connection sound is such an

42:08

important aspect of that. Tom Stevens,

42:10

CEO of Tom Bott, thanks for

42:12

being here. Thanks for having us. Of

42:15

course. All right, now I'm not

42:17

sure if Jenny can bust out

42:19

these moves, but I'm gonna show

42:21

you some humanoid robots there you

42:23

see them there performing a traditional

42:25

folk dance at China's Spring Festival

42:28

gala of the year of the

42:30

snake the performance featured 16 Chinese-made

42:32

robots wearing floral jackets as you

42:34

can see Dancing together showing off

42:36

some extremely well-called them dexterous moves

42:38

and of course we wish you

42:40

and your loved ones a very

42:43

happy and profitable new lunar year

42:45

filled with tons of dancing just

42:47

like these little humanoid robots here. Flora

42:49

jacket and all. All right coming up

42:51

18 matches in a day as the

42:54

UEFA Champions League wraps up its group

42:56

stage. We're gonna have all the highlights

42:58

coming up. Stay with us. Welcome

43:04

back. Football fans rejoice with a whopping

43:06

18 games in the UEFA Champions League

43:09

kicking off at the same time. Some

43:11

big-name clubs including Real Madrid, Manchester City,

43:13

and PSG secured their victories. Patrick Snell

43:15

joins us with the highlights. Sorry Patrick,

43:17

a lot of games kicking off at

43:19

the same time. What'd you see? Oh

43:21

my, it was a real football faster,

43:23

delight for people like me who enjoy

43:26

the beautiful game so much. Drama and

43:28

excitement in the European Champions League every

43:30

step of the way. As you said,

43:32

all 18 kicking off at the same

43:34

time. This was the final match day of

43:36

the first ever league phase of the New

43:39

Look tournament and it was a must win

43:41

game for 2023 winners Manchester City. They had

43:43

to beat the Belgian champions club Rouge to

43:45

stay in the tournament and they really were

43:48

playing with fire here at one point. They

43:50

started the day outside the top 24. The

43:52

host frustrated, the host frustrated. and with the

43:55

Belgians growing in confidence, it's the visitors who

43:57

take the lead there. Really nice goal from

43:59

Raphael on. Yedika finishing off in style

44:01

wonderful play from the Nigerian. Back

44:03

came city though and the Pepguariola

44:06

they never get up the fight

44:08

and early in the second half

44:10

they would restore parody. It's Mateo

44:12

Kovacich plowing his way through the

44:14

Belgian team's defence and a really

44:16

nice kind of a slide rule

44:18

finish there into the corner one

44:20

all just past the our market

44:22

city head. The ball is pulled

44:24

back into the box and it

44:26

goes in off the unfortunate Ecuadorian

44:28

player Hoel Odeniers who puts it

44:30

through his... own goal there at

44:32

a critical point in the match.

44:34

Savino would make the game safe

44:36

for city with just over 10

44:38

to go. No mistake from the

44:40

young Brazilian city much there. Huge

44:42

relief, everyone connected to the Manchester

44:45

Club. They win at 3-1, booking

44:47

their spot in the playoffs. Now,

44:49

let's get to Stuttgart in 24th

44:51

place, taking on French Giants PSG,

44:53

who in 22nd, these two teams

44:55

in a direct clash for survival.

44:57

PSG, after a flying start, they

44:59

grabbed an early lead. Then it

45:01

was the Usman-dembéle show, the German

45:03

team in utter shock, when PSG

45:05

would double their lead on 17

45:07

minutes, thanks to Dembé again. and

45:09

total control at this point, they're

45:11

three nil up. and it would

45:13

be Denbelli going for the hat-trick

45:15

and guess what he gets it

45:17

no problem a hat-trick hero it's

45:19

that man Denbelli helping himself to

45:22

more PSG 4-1 winners all right

45:24

let's look at the top eight

45:26

teams then who've directly advanced to

45:28

the round of 16 Liverpool do

45:30

it there top of the pile

45:32

Barcelona our special shout-out to the

45:34

French team there we got a

45:36

look at that it's fantastic play

45:38

they're really good stuff Leel Adletigo

45:40

Madrid by Levyusan Boston Villa as

45:42

well. Top eight, they go through

45:44

automatically, Omar, to the next phase

45:46

of the tournament, the knockout stages.

45:48

They have a look at the

45:50

teams advancing to the playoffs now.

45:52

Don't know for sure yet, but

45:54

Manchester City's playoff opponents likely going

45:56

to be rail Madrid. or the

45:59

German Giants, by and Munich, will

46:01

know for sure who's playing who,

46:03

Omar on Friday. That's when we

46:05

get the knockout phase playoff draw.

46:07

But what a Wednesday night, high

46:09

drama, still catching my breath. Back

46:11

to you. High drama, more drama

46:13

to come. Yeah. When we hit

46:15

that knockout stage. Patrick Snell, thank

46:17

you so much. All right,

46:19

now to the other football, $8

46:21

million for 30 seconds, that's what

46:23

some companies have agreed to pay

46:25

for ad time during next month's

46:28

Super Bowl, a source-telling CNN, Fox,

46:30

the broadcaster of this year's game,

46:32

sold at least 10 of its

46:34

commercial spots for upwards of $8

46:36

million each. The Kansas City Chiefs

46:38

will clash with the Philadelphia Eagles

46:40

on February 9th. And finally, on

46:42

first move, a sandwich spread is

46:44

reuniting the stars of when Harry

46:46

met Sally. Billy Crystal and Meg

46:48

Ryan are back together for a

46:50

Super Bowl ad targeting or promoting

46:52

I should say Hellman's Mayo, the

46:54

Romcom legends serving up a parody

46:56

of their iconic and a very

46:58

racy scene. You know it. We'll

47:00

spare you the audio, but you

47:02

know it. The original and the

47:04

parody both take place in Katz's

47:06

deli here in New York, spawning

47:09

The Catch Phoning. I'll have what

47:11

she's having. All right, everyone.

47:13

Glad you had what I was given

47:15

here today. Don't read too much into

47:17

that phrase, but that just about wraps

47:19

up the show. Thanks for joining us.

47:21

See you soon. Hi,

47:29

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