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by the married susie done recently begun

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overcome your that i'm in charge

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you know i suddenly realize i haven't got to

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back i haven't got anything in my ear

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i still that my notes as if i'm game stops

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all schemes use

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for you walk into

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the again absolutely and and also

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i know we have a highlight

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have you heard it is

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fundamentally i'm a girl he saw and

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i write notes and i have a variety

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of highlighters because i think

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it probably does a lot about me that what i mainly do

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is highlight things of people

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that com points of reference

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your research is painstaking have painstaking have found

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the experience of been on the other side of the studio

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for you've done a lot of into a haven't had do any

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research deliver to do is read pipes the last

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two weeks are you going to be doing that

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are not novel it's exactly forgot answers

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they have you found it

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i was find it quite challenging

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i'm actually on i think

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that's probably not a surprise because

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you use submitted use submitted say can control

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freaks i think that's over used and actually

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the new really like most areas of

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my life the opposite of controlling

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i literally don't know such things i didn't care

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about things at all he could change the color of

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my walls and i probably wouldn't

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you'd be dead i mean that is literally what happened

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mccracken

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it works for the the moment

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ah

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i think in an interview context

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i

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you know so been in the public eye for when

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he is an so the

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or something that somebody can pull out

1:56

there's always he has with at the the with

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a tweet there's always other to the was a pic there's

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always the party there's always the thing

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you said and i suppose

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that makes you so says

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yeah well guarded and is a recent this

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this series category doesn't fit

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into this category but it's possibly

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most unique for doing so that their it that

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you are always on on god you are was

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wondering if they're looking for gotcha or they're looking

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to the trip you

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i mean look i i the of

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accountability and fees right so i

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get the fact that you know i'll

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go into and to be going okay worse than he

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is line what's the what's the point of interest

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or what the inconsistency but it

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also means that i'm quite can i sort of see these

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things coming by an so

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that doesn't mean i don't walk into the do will get better

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but it also means i can't i can't say oh

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you know you can't ask me that are sold more

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you doing that i get his except

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i would say i'm not is i'm i'm not

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democratically elected or not even

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in taxpayer funded anymore so

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i sort of think there was some points and which i

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can all kind of go yeah i think on these people

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from a little nuts but i i was

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invited to speak to a university

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you know the sauce yeah the union

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right and it

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was really interesting because the person

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doing the interview the

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guy lovely in a great but

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a but you put me made me brussels because

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he started reading out half right

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and half the close we

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know is the sort of worse thing you can do because

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you are you know you'll you

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know you know you'll press clippings

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you know you'll cussing and said sunday than results

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as that makes it a half a silly said

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you're like okay right i'm gonna blow but

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you'll get way

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more hours with me if you don't do

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that kind of you one said you that

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said this and it because actually everyone

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gets that, you know you're going to come up, right

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you

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once said, they

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go sinatra not sexist steal

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secrets of your month or something

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in every like gecko to go to the grocery

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of go reviews from your mother talking about

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you will was having a sense of must see from son when you

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were growing up so i so you must post

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the even we're only we're we're the only news knives

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and to not go to private school for example king into

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the sex and sexual presumably wasn't

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a bog standard comprehensive as

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as a politician wants terms of schools

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to know what

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i think that's it is it's it's

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a complicated answer it was a it was

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a comprehensive but i

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wouldn't for a moment

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to this kind of like i'm not gonna do the for your

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oxen a congressional recess

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congressional it was really amazing lure

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of like of like i didn't have that is it's subtle

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i went to a

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the school

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which has phenomenal i'm

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language teachers i lit

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to remember doing a level spanish

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and odd tutor would

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just persona seats it would present the and

4:56

almodovar feels like kiko

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something really weird for this of an hour and a half

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and we go away speaking much but as bad

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as as a result of it and then we just bought almodovar

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and i like yeah i think i'd

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have very very modern

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that

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education in terms of languages i

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i remember all our language

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lessons being all right you

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learn you talks he spoke you

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her you know you he listens to

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his

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then it wasn't or book down and graham and stuff like

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that and so i would say i

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had

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the i hadn't may i had an amazing chance

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than a brilliant english teacher brilliant language

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teachers

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i wasn't very good at the first of

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and it was an intellectual household as well

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you say something about the pips i thought it was just

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turn as your your your father who i know you lost recently

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i can bonuses on on that

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i'm my dad was dad journalist so

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journalist sort of is just journalists who are obsessed with

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the pips on the pit stop on the news everyone has

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to be silent i'm city test and

5:55

the six o'clock the

5:57

news the bombs or whatever

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that was silence and the pits

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in the morning

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were silent on the school run with a baby

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listen to the today

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no it would be sort of

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in their bedrooms with several clunkers clock

6:10

and sir evelyn in it up because

6:13

and the money because of completely

6:15

taken as order so i look

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at people without sleep discussed

6:20

if they start speaking before headline on

6:22

such was he doing units

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are muscles eight even listening

6:26

for two hours nobody really thinks something happens

6:29

between sort of seven sixty

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nine and a say one that

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it almost identical isn't it is

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there is a yoga that was the so did

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obviously some seed was so not even if he didn't

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realize it at the time

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he was fascinated in

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diverse most states and

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the fled nazi germany as a three year old so

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i mean i didn't say in the it makes

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it sound like he ran out of their into the nazis

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olympic yeah it's i mean it's

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the company has gotta be by

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yeah i mean it wasn't the kinda so he eats he

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was accompanied by his parents and his father

7:04

was this extraordinary character

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really

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half and patricians i'm

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with the most esoteric job i'd like

7:12

ever have you ever heard which was

7:15

of and he he he wrote about

7:17

jews folklore strokes and he

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in an academic my uterus places

7:22

in in sort of folks or mrs and

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and suits and choose tales and

7:26

he got off it's amazing job

7:28

or university in in germany and

7:31

just he was about to accept it the authorities said

7:33

so you get out so they got

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out and they

7:38

started lies in manchester

7:39

and that

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in london you know and my

7:44

them other he'd been in a from

7:46

a sort of comfortable family was

7:48

an an immigrant with so

7:50

draft the hallways and in their twenties

7:53

kind , pats up the windows and all

7:55

the rest that so i think they they

7:57

was hard to see hard sort of the very yeah

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i guess the have a intellectual seek they

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would sustain by a books and

8:03

learning and and oakland

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or the rest of this that definitely notes

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essence know right

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the said patricia

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though

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me i suppose so there is a sort of

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no so it's bipartisan i mean the

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to quit patriarchal only the

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that's a different made of used the wrong word your

8:22

real basis i mean it was a very

8:25

the debate dominant or man so

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said

8:28

the piano and her conscious for you

8:30

going out of the his with

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my family's

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said

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i'm blessed now

8:38

sale chicago soon to be nosy occupied so

8:40

she's not the have interviewed quite a few on the series

8:43

there's often a sense of the fragility of existence

8:45

say that that that the bad a bag that's always

8:48

set me back to the assets

8:50

of cats in gold or something

8:52

like that was or any of that in your childhood be

8:54

did your dad carry ancestry sense

8:57

am i might help a set just

8:59

and

9:00

describe it with list of my

9:02

grandmother fled with a goal bengal and

9:06

yeah that was fast that was transportable

9:08

wealth and she didn't have very much that

9:10

that was the thing that she was given i think the wedding

9:12

presents and when my dad three

9:15

found that years after on

9:17

his his parents had died he could

9:19

it melted down in a to make eight store

9:21

sir something from the original

9:24

bangle am but it's funny have come across

9:26

this and other places that i've worked mans

9:28

i was in hong kong and

9:30

there was there was editor you

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know in the sort of days when i was working in

9:35

sit television and in hong kong as tapered

9:37

to called stanley and he this is being

9:39

kind of blink blokes at chinese

9:42

and he'd sit there with like full rolexes on his arms

9:45

isn't and i'd say the

9:47

say cry any be like know everything

9:50

i own though my oh

9:52

my own because he was living

9:55

in hong kong and before the handover

9:58

they were thinking about chinese communists

9:59

the together in

10:02

a push democracy from yeah the

10:04

with and so i sort of ours but i think you

10:06

us another question which is about fragility i'm

10:08

i'm only just connect single

10:11

what we talked the for which is maybe

10:13

that is why you listen to the pips maybe

10:15

that is why you stop whatever you're doing

10:17

the minute before i'm

10:20

a headline is because the world might be about

10:22

collapse or you might be about to hear of the rise

10:24

of fascism or in a schools

10:27

the capital in washington

10:29

that might be the and river

10:32

either seditious wrong that's just

10:34

my servings arrived in my readings

10:36

okay guys i'm you're the youngest

10:38

of three of the three doses that you just mentioned by

10:40

some distance phone or the

10:42

germans towards about you having a period

10:44

as effectively being an only child and how much

10:46

he enjoyed being able to give you her undecided

10:48

a tense

10:49

yeah so my eldest

10:51

my my two sisters one

10:54

is of think six years old when a is

10:56

so not massive scattergun us well

10:58

i remember my eldest sister doing the loss of the mothering

11:01

brought on by the i mean she was one that we'd have

11:03

my ears if it were

11:05

, mother said absolutely say i'm

11:08

and she's at me to buy the to buy heeled shoes i'd

11:11

rather than the her scorsese

11:13

in a so yeah i think i was lucky in

11:16

that respect that i sort of

11:17

i had all corners of those of socialists

11:20

so feel south yorkshire has we've mentioned a thing

11:22

as a king edward the sixers king into the seventh

11:24

scoops

11:26

wide web did you ever have an accent was ever

11:29

the vegas trace of a my mom's from sheffield

11:31

to be delighted to know that you are as well as she wouldn't

11:33

have been able to tell for much to unattended of wasn't

11:36

buena outcome of handsome boom right

11:38

so are we were born in canada their

11:40

son of a canadian accent either my

11:42

mother is your your your one of those cosmopolitan

11:45

cities my to citizens

11:47

of nowhere a survey not proper sheffield

11:49

up products of my mother is a cockney i

11:51

say i'm say my father's

11:54

berlin bones

11:55

there isn't an obvious

11:57

accident probably pick it up for the news

12:00

will you be on all the time and a half me i finally

12:02

got these resists are paid there

12:05

you go to school the primaries who before you and second

12:07

useful we agree with what did you excel to

12:09

just stand out

12:10

i didn't stand out but i think

12:13

i was

12:13

like conscientious right yeah

12:16

has come by ran again he didn't have highlights is about

12:18

states but you have had metaphorically

12:21

have metaphorical highlights his business

12:23

i remember i remember something ivan

12:25

are you are eleven

12:28

this is it in a time miss middle school

12:30

because it's and i'm and but a teacher

12:32

they're saying oh any

12:34

i think you've got to pick feel bill i said

12:36

something and she went on you guessing

12:38

to be sealed boots

12:39

and i would never ever

12:41

responded

12:42

the human to think you are even then what

12:45

a weird way of phrasing something

12:47

like it if a tool to be

12:50

fine fine he boots get the boot

12:52

like it increases as and i just

12:54

remember thinking that such a victorian sort

12:56

of us to

12:57

see teach into education

12:59

i don't know most asking questions are both some

13:02

wanting to say something that we hadn't done

13:04

or whatever it was on it was a weird thing

13:06

and i'm at the ceiling for insulted by this

13:09

this sort of image that you have to stay

13:11

within you boot right right because

13:14

this is a thing that should grow with you'll scenes

13:16

unless you have a certain

13:18

foot binding persuade

13:20

it i have completely finished growing

13:22

vs see i'm really not the case

13:24

was about but that you know but the i mean

13:26

that was kind of one or teach him one moment

13:28

but generally i

13:31

the i think was quite

13:34

think what is quite conscientious i think

13:36

it was drilled into me that you you

13:39

know

13:40

he don't you don't take education

13:42

for granted as my daughter's an academic only

13:45

was mentioned is a professor of yeah an organic

13:47

chemistry by the time you came to sheffield

13:49

so it's it was the

13:51

dna than the importance of studying

13:53

importance you could have rebelled i supposed could

13:55

have the only other way but

13:57

that would have come later when did you realize you're clever

14:01

i realize i

14:04

with good at languages the

14:06

guess i mean who the was always an easy

14:08

other people struggling with something that you

14:10

nine years easy any saying oh

14:12

god does unlucky and

14:15

then i was not very gifted and months

14:17

or level them roughly or before

14:19

yeah i would buy language is quite

14:21

quite easily and i still feel now

14:24

i love the study of languages i can i

14:27

can make connections to words that i hear

14:29

it it makes and muslims they go okay

14:31

that will be playable girl

14:33

i needed is it true that is

14:36

with never good at

14:37

my right

14:39

i found the sciences the heart

14:43

you know got eight my youngest now as much more

14:45

into the think and in and sciences

14:48

or my life i find us a little bit sort of

14:50

and of nervous him some what's but

14:52

what about me but how can i be of assistance but

14:54

i can't help shoes and

14:56

i'm going to back off lisa

14:58

a catholic cambridge save the mean the facility

15:01

we languages was clearly not since another way

15:03

spoke about teachers again something that

15:05

pops up a lot in the series is is the difference

15:07

it can make i think with your homeless

15:09

eat a bean or i anyway as not as if a teacher

15:11

came in and and and sort of

15:14

opened her eyes as her didn't know existed for

15:16

they clearly wanted you to fulfill

15:18

your potential

15:19

yeah and i think i

15:21

may not feel feel setback king ted's

15:23

king and with the seventh they

15:25

were the same italy

15:27

pro getting their kids are into all these for

15:30

you know i think there were i

15:32

don't like can were level of us from that year

15:34

really that went to oxford or cambridge because

15:37

they were a state school them but they kind

15:39

of i do remember the time than say oh

15:41

don't don't apply to them

15:43

that's good

15:44

the dot college because you know dot on

15:46

that will be sold at mesut states or whatever

15:48

am i just went now i shall i liked

15:50

that one on the river i'm gonna go for that will

15:52

it was as a sort of in a subsistence that

15:57

yeah a big do

15:59

when you go

16:03

it was massive

16:06

the city and

16:08

i don't buy that mean the

16:11

you know

16:11

everyone's got goes with mama know i know you

16:14

dogs fish

16:14

but it was a massive thing for me because

16:17

i

16:20

i think

16:24

the guy don't

16:26

hate

16:28

my academic policies

16:31

to go on to doesn't make sense i'm

16:33

still trying to work out what i'm saying

16:35

they were convinced of your own intelligence

16:37

i wasn't convinced that i'd i'd i'd

16:39

now on snail answers and a hundred

16:42

say the i got in i was working

16:44

initially solid us on i remember

16:48

meeting

16:49

weirdly amid as the with so i was on a tree

16:51

and fellini i might little tiny

16:53

italian in a village didn't in of breath

16:56

and i met this guy who was assault the

16:58

broken arm and ah

17:01

honey systems are testing spears a scene

17:03

and amazon lambs your arm a slight of

17:05

her broke on per us as it is

17:08

for thought oh and get sent home from the all me all break

17:10

on purpose and they said can said write

17:12

the you right go the days that can i write

17:14

tests and i gave him

17:17

you know club we never get serious that i met this guy

17:19

guess it's queens college cambridge

17:21

and that was my way as so thanks i

17:24

can now see that's why i own iona

17:26

address for the next we're still own the address

17:28

and i am ambitious so thinking that's

17:31

done them you know you can't take that

17:33

away it was as it was a so put the

17:35

the afghanis is sort of done that

17:37

to jerusalem

17:38

yeah he sent we're a really sushi

17:41

kurd and i can do this in italian

17:43

because it's really funny because it's you sent a letter

17:45

or my consent the and co let me among kansas

17:47

frank of right the remain i

17:50

the your loss do you feel my

17:52

last franco and it was the most

17:54

the thing i've ever ever

17:57

received and it sort of stay you

17:59

know no not at a

18:01

university for three years that you

18:03

know a sort of

18:04

a picture of capital,

18:06

and

18:16

if i'd met you then your first year

18:18

at cambridge and said what you want want be when you grow but

18:20

when you graduate, what would you said i

18:25

i had full sings, i wanted

18:27

to do i didn't know which one i

18:30

want to see them in but i i wanted to

18:33

work abroad

18:35

i wanted to rice

18:37

burke i wanted to do theater

18:40

directing i thought i wanted to adapt screenplays

18:43

i was like massively into that and

18:47

current but the fulfillment

18:49

no journalism no never never never

18:51

never did where does that mean smoking

18:54

borders obvious because

18:55

what do you should always languages bait fish

18:58

, which provided abroad and in

19:01

hong kong i didn't speak chinese to say that

19:03

was in a not quite the point what

19:05

we've written a book he wrote to brought you

19:07

haven't adapted any screenplays yet but

19:09

to are you didn't see your own book for the screen no

19:13

tomorrow or missed opportunity that would

19:15

have read you critics of ivanyi them be

19:17

left with a mysterious force ambition that he karma

19:20

i don't think i'm very good at

19:22

reception isn't it yeah

19:24

very different disciplined i sort of

19:26

three months off at the beginning to see a

19:28

nazi months of at sea three months of nice night

19:31

and i wanted to

19:35

make a documentary which and

19:37

part piece on a jake a hoover

19:39

the f b i am i want to adopt

19:41

a screenplay

19:43

that meet in my magnet for

19:44

gameplay and i'd see i just found it really

19:47

difficult and it was like being

19:50

so sixteen again everything again

19:51

it's i i close down to

19:53

censor it authentic is that right ascended

19:56

when you come in the kingdom of he didn't

19:59

but but in iran it it doesn't sound

20:01

it it cliched some let oh

20:03

good mobile talks i will will clean

20:05

telly own business and a reflection

20:08

for like i said it fully into every single

20:11

cliche and every single

20:13

like oh really that happened and ninety

20:15

they see why do anything about it in twenty

20:18

twenty two in a let someone else take up

20:20

the reindeer

20:23

your mom says you're brilliant actress

20:25

so i'm i'm i'm i'm a diversity

20:28

is but he replied leading roles i gather

20:30

in a midsummer night's dream and the view from the brits

20:32

sitting on the crucible a cambridge yeah the

20:34

comes as a hundred my mom with with as

20:36

bay and was about thirteen

20:38

i said month i think i would be

20:40

an actress i

20:42

an issue at yes i said what you think

20:44

that that and to it's well the

20:48

adam i don't it took was

20:50

as soon as

20:52

, am really that bad it's right

20:55

that is that accept see that always been

20:57

honest with me and say that was

20:59

her way of saying

21:01

bloody difficult you gotta be really

21:03

really kids i mean the funny thing was i

21:06

cook one of my friends going

21:08

london is rachel nice biogenerative really

21:10

did want to be like this and if your friend

21:12

it says i i want to be an actress and

21:15

i want to be in films and then she goes

21:17

wanted to be rachel vice i was like okay i'm definitely

21:20

yeah i'm definitely not that god i'm definitely

21:22

not going to pursue that there's nothing i mean

21:24

the difference between acting and directing in their ways

21:26

the show off gene and so you do

21:28

or don't know whether you have to show off chino amity

21:30

that is it i mean i wouldn't

21:32

think all of us that do live

21:35

broadcasting must have it to some

21:37

degree but even if you bought i

21:39

suddenly have it but i'd i'd been i'd was

21:41

born with it with it was

21:43

insufferable as a child at

21:45

that but i don't see you were i don't think even

21:47

i was on

21:48

about and i'm going to gymnastics you know an acrobat

21:50

till i was a gymnast

21:51

i i i what widows

21:54

very small i

21:56

was very

21:57

the active i would suitland

22:00

the cut will downstairs and stuff like

22:02

that

22:02

very very

22:04

, doing very so the must

22:06

have been since before an audience as well

22:08

i mean into wanted mamluk a member of

22:10

or was he can we do a southern africa

22:13

or even currency

22:15

or arena of i'm just gonna i'm just this dot

22:17

would and decent enough i guess i must

22:20

have be the sense

22:21

karate kid right

22:23

gotta be doing that in a way but i don't

22:26

i mean i didn't either is really complicated

22:28

thing over definitely wouldn't cool the performance

22:31

because i think that you

22:34

miss whole swathe of what your trying

22:37

to do which is neither hopefully something

22:39

that is a bit more substantial

22:41

than that you know this i never

22:43

learned to tap dance right i'm terrible

22:45

at karaoke love currently but how about it

22:47

so i space only

22:50

up to point and maybe the point about the

22:52

acting was alone i wasn't good enough in i wasn't

22:54

i wasn't a good enough so of a wasn't good enough

22:57

what did you think the shouting yes so

23:00

i the opposite and i

23:02

also think i didn't the

23:04

to do acting well

23:06

you've got to really trust your director

23:09

is a cynical a direct as

23:11

a really shit is and then you're being

23:13

base you know i attempt to tell you something by

23:15

shred folders at that yeah there was

23:17

somebody says i guess is all

23:19

flood recent of for their with somebody

23:21

who had adapted a gabriel

23:24

garcia marquez the short story

23:27

innocent air india and see made

23:29

us

23:29

the short story in slow motion

23:32

of the whole thing was thing slow motion and

23:35

thank god it was in the days before

23:37

so special is special radius of

23:39

the first time first ever met cases arabs who

23:41

became my very good friends she said

23:43

she said realized who you are you

23:46

would the slow mississippi woman

23:48

in that late night place and

23:50

i felt with the collar rise it

23:52

seeks on i sort of wanted to just

23:55

feel like a potential

23:56

we'll sit here you've got to be very trusting

23:58

of somebody else has vision

23:59

i'm not quite hard follows you around

24:02

for a bit so then you decided that dirty

24:04

might be the things here so that you could be the person

24:06

said the expansion of the other man bad

24:08

result in a recent submission history get

24:11

i directed the day that have plagued

24:13

okay i'm good

24:15

the

24:17

i don't think i was imaginative

24:19

enough or that's a real worries me

24:21

because i think of myself as being quite imagine

24:24

a survive but i'm not sure i

24:26

am nicely

24:28

i think mean

24:31

hi

24:33

i went to play last night funny enough and i just

24:35

thought i went to they

24:39

about parties

24:39

my acknowledge that oh my

24:41

the house and i was just looking at

24:43

the stage costs and as thinking

24:45

god how to do how do you think like

24:47

how do you sit down and come up with either

24:49

sort of mechanics now it's the engineering

24:52

it's the artistic vision is the colors

24:55

am i to sort of thought okay of the i've

24:57

got to admit i'm not sure i

24:59

i don't think about things visually

25:01

as creatively as as i would like qatar

25:03

your brain doesn't

25:04

like not very good only way that it doesn't have

25:06

the pavement

25:07

gosh i'd

25:08

the words you before

25:09

i'm not the language and words is only

25:11

thing so i would say i could the

25:13

speech ten different ways in get ten

25:15

different meanings from his show but

25:17

i think i probably wasn't it

25:20

was massively emergencies

25:22

that you have a hard working i mentioned as a student

25:24

it for any

25:26

a university

25:29

i was no i didn't ask

25:31

great turn the event you know thing going on

25:33

i

25:35

didn't feel confident it's that she confident

25:38

a tool i didn't didn't

25:40

a course where we didn't have exams until the

25:42

second year and that was quite

25:44

destabilizing because in my head

25:47

i had nothing that helps me know the

25:49

end of year one widows keeping up and

25:51

stand on so weirdly i sort of got the

25:53

end of his i was a complete wreck part

25:55

and i didn't have i had nothing

25:57

to compare myself with which is why

26:00

in it all this conversation my kids

26:02

and testing and

26:03

that all four years

26:04

she think if you get used to doing tests

26:06

sort of on some level we

26:09

can we count said it's this ward off a duck's

26:11

back it's a sort of great place to

26:13

be because you're historical okay

26:15

in and i can do

26:16

your anchored

26:18

you just you your

26:19

in your own head of parallel you

26:22

know when my son just a did

26:24

his a levels a nicely i

26:26

, a sense him you've got that now white

26:28

that's like that's in your books he can't

26:30

have that taken away whereas i think i was untethered

26:33

for untethered untethered for i'm i felt like

26:35

of almost smarter and of on was bryson

26:37

of room with the and you

26:39

say oh gosh you can't really think that you to

26:41

it wasn't for sort of fits all i

26:44

genuinely thought i'd like

26:47

i should look i think maybe also in

26:50

cambridge

26:51

in english

26:52

who is all about in a criticism

26:55

and and critiquing things and so

26:57

you forget how to write yourself you're terrified

26:59

or i see anything done still

27:00

god what what critics at sunset

27:03

and for you don't give us

27:04

this is a fuel cell serve you learn

27:06

to write less rather the more or true

27:10

that surprises me a don't know even tutorials

27:13

answer to bolster know surprised about

27:15

what you described i'm surprised that cambridge

27:17

created are feeling unique as i saw the tutorial

27:20

system or the kind of

27:22

animal science you'd have would

27:24

no i i maybe i

27:26

should have read more late enough submit hard

27:28

you get given kind of like oh we can do a since

27:30

century in a redirect the lock the soon

27:32

come back next week uranus and redirect

27:35

this week and combat in a on friday

27:37

you're right

27:39

hello i don't

27:41

know this is

27:42

huge it's it's unwieldy

27:44

it's not my era i don't understand

27:46

anything and then i guess what you think so

27:48

but modi a big ideas and he realized that

27:50

the amounts of of like historical

27:53

knowledge and knowledge and and and

27:55

around as as he i mean i'm getting not

27:57

selling anything that people don't know cause you have the lot

27:59

of the him some i don't think i was

28:01

very confident that

28:03

and neither would you would could you bluff

28:05

could you buffalo you wouldn't bluff because that's

28:07

the scenario in which someone the

28:10

into school like mine have

28:13

crossed by the horns and in by a bit like a

28:15

ruling class now is so they would you know

28:17

the johnson modus ,

28:19

it going off on some slurs slurs

28:22

flourish despite having imo knowledge or understanding

28:25

of the takes a new had it would never have trust your mind

28:27

trying wing a good term limits

28:29

i just think i wasn't that good

28:31

yeah i think that people dance

28:34

or i mean i know it's not rewarded at the moment in

28:36

this country though it's a stance not to be able

28:38

to fend as and

28:39

i think what i mean by that is

28:41

that

28:42

the person in a let's say the teacher opposite

28:45

would probably do what you're doing who is

28:48

, my my my winging

28:51

it isn't intentions but i

28:53

think i was just

28:55

sharp enough to know that they knew that i

28:57

hadn't got to the end player here

29:00

and i mean it's assets always sad

29:02

and he presented in his or universe dismissive

29:04

when i'm such a sort of and achievements again

29:06

in did you did you enjoyed the other best suits your

29:08

just slow motion acting career in your enjoyed

29:11

the social side of things and stuff either

29:14

i don't think i ever let my head

29:16

oh major stressors

29:18

i mean it's not good the sounds like a subsurface

29:20

i got going to be lucky to be there soon

29:23

i added a i suppose i had a difficult

29:26

you're gonna go into this but i had through a difficult

29:29

experience that university which

29:32

i'm slightly color that but

29:34

then the weird thing was that when i last

29:37

okay this is weird i'd or

29:39

with terrified about leaving like

29:41

the i would never get a job the with

29:44

challenging the same way that the last see his

29:46

has been for com i imagine i'd spend

29:48

my life the live in is screwing lived on to

29:50

things or just phoenix read anything

29:52

wrong with up for i just wanted to have as

29:54

a either iowa so i'm not going to be

29:56

in april and challenges

29:58

and i'm

30:00

then i to i don't want to leave here as

30:02

i went round to all the i'm

30:05

colleges applying to be

30:07

the college library literally

30:10

and i thought i'm just going to work him just never get a move

30:12

i'm gonna say if know the and just come because i bowed

30:14

got ten done obviously the have any librarians

30:17

experience and realize that i just

30:19

have to move my get a doll file

30:21

and leave

30:22

and then i

30:24

went to hong kong completely randomly

30:27

rule actually went our separate all that those

30:29

two sides of your personality the

30:31

be i'm so frightened of leaving i'm gonna apply

30:33

to the library at immense up

30:35

steaks and not at home but

30:38

does does comes home from this got a dichotomy

30:40

that

30:41

well

30:42

it was ninety two boys and

30:44

it was a recession this and an

30:46

order the stuff

30:48

in in the uk was sort of closing in our

30:50

hands of like a you can't do that and as long

30:52

queue for that and is it couldn't apply

30:54

said this but that are fi thorium other people and

30:56

then i remember seeing this advert saying in

30:58

a come to hong kong and

31:01

, her and it

31:03

never had a year off right

31:04

i did that and actually i

31:07

was reborn their bird with yeah and

31:10

eyes it's like go all my

31:12

inhibitions actually it was a place where

31:15

stop

31:16

we might have expected after that university

31:18

happened in from zealand

31:20

that was where i started letting

31:21

the light and never will ,

31:23

a great place to do it it was warm says

31:25

he knows the knights were amazing

31:28

the kept says with cheap you know

31:30

if it's

31:30

you could were gold law may without

31:32

me telling you know is it your neighbor that

31:34

oath for me like obama

31:36

it it it was it was it was an it was

31:38

a place to

31:39

experiments you before you mentioned the go low

31:41

my i was about to say the actually

31:44

fell on observed

31:46

the river

31:48

that is what if what would you so observed

31:50

disorders think my why why would you sell

31:52

observed at universe

31:54

that is dog oh sorry you know from to

31:56

sorry go hydro i i det supt

31:59

that was cheap

31:59

me no they don't know it was a silly question

32:02

of mind it at the but that may be

32:04

on that it is that sense of here i am

32:07

i can be my guess i'm gonna be completely mans

32:09

the other side to workers les hinton les

32:12

quite long time

32:14

i told my mom a be there for six weeks

32:17

that's me back at christmas and

32:19

i stayed for six years

32:23

everything changed i met my husband other

32:25

and you discover journalism via the to

32:27

great lengths of your life since he says i'm

32:29

glad he said how

32:32

did you discover just as he before that if

32:34

that if if you than than your first

32:36

annual go blow my period and i said

32:39

what are you gonna do you know what what are you

32:41

going to do with your life what would you said

32:43

before you discovered said as much as you haven't been

32:45

at me still got still are berkeley working impulsive

32:47

tic that went off in are going to be a says

32:49

no

32:50

i wish i within a i was in my

32:51

the fun stage you know when i hundred am he's

32:53

not get over it goes there are differences

32:57

i think i wouldn't have taken anything

33:00

other thing

33:00

here's a book because it

33:02

was still my it was my hero

33:04

scary though i'm here for six weeks

33:06

and then

33:08

then what changed i think was that

33:13

i have even where i was in the

33:15

world rice and ah

33:17

mrs i'm really pompous dup

33:20

dup point in history this i went and ninety

33:22

two it's three years after telling

33:24

men right as in the massacre on

33:27

earth and i arrived in hong kong

33:29

knowing nothing about the far east

33:32

by all my knowledge had been in

33:34

my history cause the of a

33:36

, had been had been the

33:38

world old blah world

33:40

my had and i had

33:42

learn european languages and

33:44

then i came to hong kong and hadn't understood

33:47

anything of the opium wars of

33:49

the way it had been a com a bow

33:51

of the whole idea of of a

33:53

comedy club realizations and

33:55

suddenly there we were facing the

33:58

imminent handover huh

33:59

home

34:00

the chinese communism and that was the only

34:02

thing we talked about

34:04

it sounds crazy because on one hand i'm say get

34:06

gold law may you know club either

34:08

late nights blow blow but actually

34:11

all the conversations were incredibly profound

34:13

serious they were all about what was

34:15

going to happen to hong kong to the

34:17

people of hong kong to the rule of law to

34:19

the democratic system you know

34:22

aren't very good friends with in the foreign office and

34:24

they were literally bulls in the negotiations

34:27

of of that faces a was only and says

34:29

at that point out

34:30

i do i just want to talk about the threat of that

34:32

never happens to be in the eye of

34:34

the store might i be i'm in l on that scale

34:36

so knowing that it's coming i'm thinking perhaps being

34:38

in berlin when the will came fine but you wouldn't have

34:40

had that i've never thought of that before

34:42

increase pessimistic america months ago

34:44

but the deaths you explain a lie

34:46

that you've you know it's coming so

34:48

you're talking about it it's almost as if

34:50

it's news a dress rehearsal funny it you

34:53

know it's coming in every muscle him out of

34:55

no one knows exactly what it's gonna be like i

34:57

can't think of anything else from a journalistic

34:59

point of view that would have felt like that as

35:02

bird are clearly your

35:04

everyone sure that

35:05

people that were in hong kong to make

35:07

money

35:08

really want to the money quickly we gotta

35:10

get the without to gain experience

35:13

in you know marketing sectors

35:15

old theater or in a day though they

35:17

were like i thought of i've got to make this what now

35:20

and so there was a fanaticism

35:22

to hong kong this it was you

35:24

know twenty two hours of the day the

35:27

was sort of awakening gays

35:29

and thinking because it felt like you have to use every

35:32

moment and i think that in it with it was a place

35:34

where the lights were on all the time and on

35:36

a me nuts in the neon sense but also

35:38

in the sense of people feeling the urgency

35:40

of like this is coming this is coming as

35:42

good a make my mark a go to do my thing of go

35:45

to meet my in a the people in a whatever

35:47

it was that it all happened at a very

35:49

very urgent pace

35:51

i think

35:51

and and that is why perhaps he managed

35:54

to from your sort of

35:56

formative journalistic experiences into

35:58

a relatively short amount of you are in

36:00

non pen us but

36:02

ninety seven he was fixing for jon snow

36:04

any time over spots him for news i'm

36:06

in you really had a said i think mean i

36:09

thought

36:09

the back to some of that like the documentary i saw

36:11

said weirdly at the have done everything the wrong

36:13

way round but i started and and coding documentaries

36:16

and one of the things i was doing

36:18

was interviewing prisoners i'm

36:21

on life sentences in hong kong

36:23

jails because he suddenly realize

36:25

that you've got to jurisdictions that about

36:27

to class right you've got the death penalty in

36:29

china and you've got a very much

36:31

not the death penalty under the bus system

36:34

on i went to interview it prisoners

36:37

and civil is what's gonna happen was going to happen

36:39

when china comes in and sees your

36:42

ear in china though the the pizza would

36:44

literally giving people kidneys away right

36:46

that's what happens if you're a prisoner you

36:48

know i would set you up to them we need to kidney

36:51

and so as com

36:51

sorry

36:53

that has really

36:54

abbreviated but there was

36:56

a story that had that we've been covering about

36:59

how prisoners were being used the there

37:02

these when iran death rivals and so

37:04

yeah i mean i i saw remember that like

37:07

it was yesterday going and doing that and thinking

37:09

i'm be a bit ridiculous here there's no way that to understand

37:11

which is the death penalty and that where we are

37:13

right were twenty five years in to that pier

37:15

it and

37:18

and and stuff is happening that

37:20

the also coming to us that we kind of hoped

37:22

would never happen though mr dissonance via

37:25

zero bogus will be different

37:27

from every other territory that china has dominion

37:29

over thirty two

37:30

the julio with see that we don't list we

37:32

always managed to kind of see something coming

37:34

here but also say so in that we

37:37

we managed to see something advancing

37:39

towards you but say oh but

37:41

that it won't actually happen like that

37:43

really happened like that via a

37:45

desolate and set ups and since her book isn't

37:47

it is up syncing so sinclair lewis

37:49

it wouldn't happen here that then i got mine site

37:52

now ness business and on i'll watch

37:55

you've already mentioned

37:56

so on the capital in january the sex will next

37:59

be have no no

38:00

on our watched

38:03

amidst all this fanaticism

38:06

you found your call

38:08

the do with her a moment reserve

38:10

harriet of clicking where you so crutches

38:12

wanna do this for the rest my life that is a

38:14

period of clunking emphasis

38:17

, how resist other i

38:19

was really

38:20

i want to go instance at that point

38:22

i want to do this and report or too bad

38:24

i was really bad though james as

38:26

really bars and i didn't i

38:29

didn't understand probably how it works

38:30

i would like to the feelings you have at cambridge

38:33

now i know know from flavor

38:35

of insecurity all i know i just

38:37

said you lose a single interconnectedness yes

38:39

secret

38:39

so i went they would semi on the in a events

38:41

and chris patten sir and i would go and

38:44

i'm they soak discussions about to open

38:46

a shopping center ah in mom calc

38:48

you know why did you go and and

38:51

don't follow manual you're on the crease pattern beat

38:54

i might come back and fall of pieces says the

38:56

shopping center was close and chrome

38:59

on a hundred and twenty research tools and

39:01

will be one of the for i just a that she copy the press

39:03

release and ago but what chris patten say

39:05

about the human rights listen and it's a lot

39:07

of be like but you he wouldn't have a i

39:09

just i didn't understand how

39:11

news he could do the documentary

39:13

stuff cassette storytelling but you couldn't do the news

39:16

of rise to begin this is also even before

39:18

or for yeah my garner votes tv dot twenties

39:20

i wanted a state with using

39:22

they didn't i had a contract

39:24

that was renewed every three weeks or so

39:27

that was quite an unsettling

39:29

from you know working from and and that's

39:31

why i think i've always felt that was my says contract

39:34

with either ill ill

39:36

this renewed every three weeks if you're good enough

39:38

to last three weeks lights is less

39:40

dot sensibly the only of as good as

39:43

your last sentence if you only have as good as your

39:45

last

39:45

so because it

39:47

could be taken away have never thought that permanence

39:50

i don't i didn't think they really did stay

39:52

with i think i just filled

39:54

i could we just went got the sound bites feel

39:56

you got better i did get better did

39:58

you feel yourself getting better

40:00

ah i learnt

40:03

a minute steep in is the first the woman

40:05

and in a might have to they're saying he didn't have to start

40:08

a news report with would today if

40:10

it didn't happen stanley it wouldn't be

40:12

on the news it's just a boy he was

40:14

yeah and

40:16

the learned

40:18

mail in five and flightless

40:20

southsea endure the i did learn

40:23

if i can you hold your own and shouty

40:25

man environments could use us and i

40:27

can now yeah some other

40:29

state cove presumably

40:31

well i think i mean what

40:33

i would say is this a difference between

40:35

in it is if the men in the room which

40:37

that point they didn't know for some

40:39

issues like the my plays wants to listen

40:42

there and learn i don't i don't

40:44

agree the father everyone has the have a voice if you know

40:46

absolutely nothing can contribute nothing

40:48

of any sense now i think a

40:50

good enough experience is not to do with gender

40:52

it's to do with the fact that i'm in

40:54

nicely old in

40:56

back to britain to a job right

40:59

just with your cv in your hand

41:02

and yeah that to that knocking on doors depth

41:04

what depth what what open so skinny

41:06

is

41:07

right there is great at associate

41:10

so we'll a nice i'm

41:13

then again it was sort of hunt mouth

41:15

shift

41:17

the law shifts

41:19

maria come into the system then

41:21

it he could will be the another sucked assistant he might

41:23

go on and

41:23

the stain say yeah

41:25

the wheel sides

41:27

making up pace

41:28

the little bit

41:32

would your ambition have been

41:34

done a little when you're me

41:36

would you have been thinking i want to be doing bulletins

41:38

on day i want to be presenting one day which it would

41:41

you have formed ambition in that way

41:44

i think it was about

41:46

trying to prove to my inner this

41:48

is awful phrase these self

41:51

sailed

41:51

london china hong kong then i didn't

41:54

i never tried in london so it was

41:56

like

41:57

the opposite around succeeded in

41:58

hong kong

41:59

that's right honey translate for korea

42:02

so partly i've i

42:04

i think i've always had this have been slightly and or

42:06

of london

42:07

don't feel like elon in our lives

42:09

have to the is by don't feel like a londoner for

42:11

in the sense that i slightly

42:14

and all still have of

42:16

the way the city in a

42:18

this i am i good enough is a bit

42:21

of a recurring theme

42:23

isn't it

42:24

no i mean it it would sound

42:27

self

42:27

the bulletin oh so you did did did

42:29

did you really don't sense of pitch has just

42:31

the it isn't enough i'm not drives you yeah

42:34

i mean says yes that are a couple of

42:36

a hit like one of my mates a scrape

42:38

phase like and i've come come to be

42:41

so modest do not that great so sorry

42:43

to have it , only friends live

42:45

i might as well as it was

42:47

cause the own cause the i read a ins

42:49

i think i've done great work as it's endless status

42:52

and says days i'm really proud with what i've

42:54

done and one of you know what i should have been

42:56

able to do

42:57

i'm

42:59

yes i think it's partly i

43:02

mean it is it's i think it's what little a lot

43:04

of i young produces a going through now

43:06

what which is job insecurity yeah right

43:09

yeah if you any get a job that's

43:11

and that that marks your diary

43:14

for two shifts yeah by the to

43:16

send the saturday that is cool sit around

43:18

thinking oh my god

43:19

the good enough to get a three other people that they might

43:21

also the next thing we waited i remember lying

43:23

awake at night scared by augustus and suits

43:26

honest i don't shifts and say shutting give up the

43:28

see services for a long time of shot

43:30

at plenty of shift so that is

43:31

might i i did assist

43:33

on a sunday it's nineties and i covered

43:36

i'm the ailing liquids this

43:38

unveiled the any records horrific

43:41

more with a rate sex abuse and

43:43

i'm

43:44

and i don't have to meet the women

43:46

who'd

43:47

the offered her a sources from the christians

43:50

perspective forgiveness am i

43:52

use the word and the teatime bonuses

43:54

and she been raped

43:56

and others right

43:59

no idea that that was i'm

44:02

offensive i think i think you've it in illegal

44:04

settlements word

44:05

in a mugger a blind was a separate

44:07

crime is it is your likes and

44:10

eight

44:11

remember on

44:13

these are to mighty com it's mean and saying

44:16

many have you ever heard nice from get completely

44:18

silent and i

44:22

do i didn't realize what i'd done and

44:25

immediately display answer might see

44:27

i offered to resize again it's that they have like

44:30

oh my god i've been found out said to have these

44:32

like a week with only sell on t

44:34

sundance time but listen and it

44:37

was just before going on holiday and

44:39

holiday was i just remember we

44:42

went on a walking holiday walking his late onset

44:44

stomping around with my head's

44:46

just full of like oh my god i was an idiot only

44:49

those couldn't let it go kinetic guess

44:51

and yes always of carry around

44:53

these the middle of the

44:55

night miller yeah caught us carry

44:57

around though

45:00

and are going to journalists and i'm i'm when

45:02

when a mid sized start from sky

45:04

to the babe

45:05

yeah i just benefit

45:07

the sky but

45:08

so if they only presenting his

45:10

and i got a call from bbc

45:12

london

45:15

which is sort of had hunting and they were zoomed

45:17

out most i need a number it was a major choose their

45:19

but if you've got those two things on the table you know

45:22

it was about must be a kind of it wasn't i'm

45:24

not i'm not going to get taps on the shoulder now know

45:26

i mean by that stage or sort of yeah yeah was

45:28

it and it was an amazing

45:29

him and crucially realized i was

45:32

be offered the chance to not have to get up

45:34

at three a simple move was that was from your affected

45:36

because it is a synthesis national vs region

45:38

or so you could easily have gone the other way of a this

45:40

guy had a mouse model is it was i see the alone

45:42

plotless with the but one it

45:45

yeah partly that

45:46

i love that years much prefer

45:48

sitter sandwiches

45:50

i mean i think the one

45:52

thing of lead in this life is don't as a

45:54

think all except that job because that might

45:56

lead to them

45:56

right

45:57

people always tell you that are you know if

46:00

you do that then you'll find yourself on that sir

46:02

don't treat everything at face

46:04

value earth do you want to do that job

46:06

socio monday

46:08

what for the foreseeable says a sailboat

46:10

cs getting up at three o'clock in the

46:12

morning

46:13

no no it would have ruined my

46:15

life

46:16

i could never do i could never do a

46:18

job i mean have done overnight scene of the oldies

46:21

of course and that was in i'm first

46:23

kind sky presenting was from so tensile

46:25

six it's great but screws your

46:27

see i wasn't it wasn't for me

46:30

then he became the face of bbc london the answers

46:32

when

46:34

she you achieve public recognition

46:36

really i mean i know yeah skies that'd be a

46:38

little bits of it but this would be when presumably

46:40

people started pointing out your industry oh

46:42

yeah even stopping you on a bus

46:45

i think oh yeah i mean no

46:47

that's , on the bus said said

46:50

agreed on if i was i mean i've always been on about slab

46:52

of and arrived in san evade out of i was

46:54

on their boss on the back end of a box wow how

46:57

did you handle that did you enjoy it because it means

47:00

they're allowed to enjoy it were allowed to have it to

47:02

enjoy people coming up so isn't selling as

47:04

they like a lot but it's different when he doing tv

47:06

news or eating is like i know i got i can't

47:08

cousin of any hard time by taxi typhus he

47:10

thought that i thought this marketing slogan

47:13

myself and it was like it was all about

47:15

the glory of bosses at the end the cabbies

47:17

rules guess

47:18

oh good you want us know

47:20

that i decided that , know

47:22

is rated you orders and i'd be like someone

47:24

who did you let me think them i wrote my

47:26

wording for princess boss or those

47:29

extra success of

47:31

but

47:32

it was a very is enough

47:34

these i think compete with that's

47:36

why i say i have been really lucky in

47:38

my nice time time the

47:40

nice from in hong kong a loved one

47:42

in london and nelson nice

47:44

noise they were all just great what

47:47

you want to do is walk into

47:48

there a group of people that the

47:50

you know make sure say slice up and

47:52

is that your tribe did you find your tribe

47:54

only when you found newsrooms because it five

47:56

cents per didn't find it at school or university

47:59

the that's probably why i haven't made that connection

48:02

yeah i think that's rise or my i love

48:04

talking shop here within this because

48:06

it is why the new podcast is so go and

48:08

america's perceived it as over the news agencies

48:10

you're so full talking shop is we just chestnut

48:12

as compelling as net worth is it

48:14

because you feel so comfortable your by so

48:16

comfort

48:17

i just thank you yeah

48:20

i just think i just think he

48:22

when you talk so you have the whole world it

48:25

it to talk about incest

48:27

the great where a now we're in

48:29

the bit that everybody knows about this about this

48:31

make this public figure

48:33

and to various journalist

48:36

a man says that you climbed how long did you

48:38

start how long were you at b b c london sightings

48:41

right and we're getting no

48:44

it's you see that's not fair but you we're

48:47

thinking about to move on

48:49

something bigger

48:52

i miss the brits of

48:54

nice by i just come out

48:57

come from hong kong as he say

48:59

are reported in vietnam and cambodia

49:02

in the philippines and china

49:05

and i felt like my world is getting

49:07

a bit too

49:08

to yeah

49:10

visit visit third limits in

49:12

the number times he can lead on the congestion

49:14

yes by about it and

49:16

santa newsnight

49:18

what and then

49:20

nice to the in what was that live

49:22

there must have been they get him to

49:24

yeah i'm i'm to they come for you did

49:26

you put your hand up to the postal service or a

49:28

daughter how did it come about

49:31

hi

49:32

yeah i think i made it known that i

49:34

wanted to do

49:36

something more a nice i was always my

49:39

the golden

49:40

he misses these

49:42

nights

49:43

oh the

49:45

made me sit until we in until

49:47

we saw says yes it's weird isn't

49:49

that big casino your play in

49:50

they could things you deal with it looks two

49:53

days after we we sort

49:55

of in a announce we're leaving literally

49:58

the ukraine move broke out

49:59

i'm is a weird

50:01

feeling of not being yeah the

50:03

arena

50:04

yeah and it's not like he

50:06

that sounds my self important

50:07

oh the world needs me

50:09

to put oh no no

50:10

you wouldn't be part of their

50:12

rights and that week

50:15

i'm nice though it does in

50:17

it it's brilliant it my

50:19

and and it went round the world a went to

50:22

and it went

50:23

you would always on you you i was

50:25

at the saudi to go on a plane technically

50:27

i was actual cycles make mistakes

50:29

it anyway so you could say i wouldn't

50:31

have technically done that but that kind

50:33

of with poetic license yes yes

50:35

i watched unless like they're doing is says washington

50:38

that a so for more silt and it was for

50:40

of so proud it was brilliant in it was exactly

50:42

will we i still say we ines should

50:44

have been doing and of course he did kind

50:47

of go

50:48

gosh in a this were

50:51

where do you fit into all this for the world turns

50:53

yeah

50:54

the asking the question he wanted a million times already

50:56

them but why did you knock on the head

51:02

thing

51:04

i didn't want

51:07

to stay somewhere if i felt

51:09

that my journalism was getting

51:11

we're

51:13

there and

51:15

i heard

51:16

twenty is right amazing

51:18

i originally thought that i'd leave after

51:22

the twins sent election

51:24

that was my plan a signatory to the legs

51:26

and as we now know wouldn't have looked over

51:28

six more months of an

51:31

hour could i possibly have leicester in

51:33

the middle of all that stuff and then i stayed

51:35

said the inauguration

51:37

and then america's to his

51:39

brilliant either if i'm

51:41

honest i'm sound the

51:43

cove that years

51:45

like i'm

51:47

the accuser presenter for a can i say this

51:49

year

51:51

the this is when there's also things that could get taken out

51:53

of context so i enough i understand

51:55

what other people went to see them that their

51:58

health sex ed than as

51:59

the doctors or less i'm not in any way comparing

52:02

we're anything there but i'm to say if

52:04

you reporter on at that time

52:07

got me good it it was quitting and

52:09

boots if you are presenter it

52:11

was kind of

52:12

the virologist one night and then the epidemiologist

52:14

the next guy and then the test but schools that such

52:16

we can it was a very said

52:17

killer com to say the least you're in a suit as him i

52:19

said of obama the god grind anyone

52:22

quinoa to those awful really

52:24

and so i think in a funny

52:27

way you know no different

52:29

sets of millions of clips the weather

52:31

was his kind of gone right

52:33

maybe now that maybe now are out there are

52:35

shake things up i wouldn't have left my job in the middle

52:37

of case

52:37

because quite frankly what

52:39

was he does

52:40

that i think when we sort of come

52:42

through that's and the

52:44

election was done and

52:47

in a d know had last had missile opening

52:49

doors for us it was like okay

52:52

this okay this

52:53

come together as overlook it was it wasn't

52:56

i mean there was no sort of there was never

52:58

solicit peak the

53:00

if anything the opposite was like it was a wrench

53:03

in a i loved working they've worked

53:05

nice night and is a great seem to

53:07

i sit on it you need to raise money

53:09

was

53:10

the humor is gray and the conversations

53:12

gray

53:13

and i'm a sensitive sense of being

53:15

in a rumor happens i'll always remember

53:18

martha been poking his head around the door

53:20

muschamp turvy sorry to interrupt but interrupt think there might

53:22

be a coup starting into tests can

53:24

teach the same i love this

53:27

love this it's is as a synonym

53:29

like my when and this exactly that found

53:31

that so yeah you've done that

53:33

he's got the lunchbox got the teaser

53:36

i prevented the lunchbox know

53:39

the novelty launch

53:40

who he made i've got the t shirt

53:43

yeah i just think

53:45

i just think you never

53:47

want to be the person that is so

53:50

clear on by their fingernails rights

53:52

or even an annex leaks that's my theory

53:54

of policies i will say to my kids

53:56

the moment they stop playing it subsides you had

53:59

to wedding

53:59

right let's say

54:02

that kind of the that's the same

54:04

in a new you're a just probably

54:07

realize you're stupid you're you're very conscious

54:09

of saying something that might be taken in context

54:11

is correct itself have picked yourself up

54:13

five or six times in a course of his conversations

54:16

and yet again

54:18

almost contrasting late you are not

54:20

you haven't

54:21

latterly been

54:23

afraid of

54:24

very outspoken about the baby say

54:27

and your mctaggart lecture

54:28

i can't quite square those two things

54:31

it is a small the you're happy to take

54:33

checking for something you deliberately said

54:36

and stated that you know going

54:38

to take it to kings from someone is only read

54:40

our off the quote is that what we're talking about

54:43

so when i was racing

54:47

then i was really castle

54:48

with what i was trying to say with the words that

54:50

ha

54:51

this mean

54:53

what i would the soil was telling than actually

54:56

this is that we're in the late to assess

54:58

even now i'm sort of cells editing

55:00

other subs what i was trying to do i'm

55:03

above anything

55:05

and it definitely wasn't

55:07

bbc bashing a my head it was way

55:09

of saying cause i've been there for twenty years

55:12

and this is my sort of what are they call

55:14

it the blue the blue planet thing where you

55:16

can look back you know on earth from

55:19

from the moon and go what did did

55:21

right what does i get wrong in a what with the

55:23

things that work tricky move on and so

55:25

i tried to be pretty honest about the things

55:28

the i saw in a will mistakes

55:30

and how i got about you

55:33

know my job how i would do things differently

55:35

this time and i said one of things and he do so

55:37

more transparency nice talking it

55:39

through telling our audiences skyn if

55:41

if you think that that was one sided

55:44

or you don't understand is that the guy that was meant

55:46

to be making the other side was stuck in a

55:48

cab because it went to silver spring not fulford

55:50

right and if we tell people

55:52

that you know you you get

55:54

people to sort of sort

55:56

of to you

55:58

the enemy no excuses

55:59

you feel like i'm trying to have you everything's yes

56:02

one think those are the speech with i

56:04

, himself at a saying even as i speak

56:06

my i can hear myself myself

56:09

what will people pick out as the top line here

56:13

and is and printer of like a river the

56:15

cake oh as the coveted not for them

56:17

of course people have you know home

56:20

people pick up if we that whatever to atlanta one

56:22

and there are reasons that in some

56:24

the somebody will pick out one thing something pick

56:26

out the other

56:27

in lose yeah i then the gulf

56:29

between the headlines in the transcripts or is it gives

56:31

a boss move to put the transcript our in

56:34

prospect was pretty big it was a pretty big

56:36

gulf between some of the had died and

56:38

actual words that you said the actual transcript

56:40

yeah

56:41

in a piece that

56:42

i sound like either

56:45

what could have i'm not saying everyone

56:47

though i am so

56:48

man

56:50

no i'm saying if you want to get a sense of the at

56:52

selector this of listen to on

56:54

awful cause either on the these agents is

56:56

all that as it was recorded

56:58

on the nights and nothing has been changed or

57:01

read the transcript and hopefully you get

57:03

a sort of more rounded says some of what

57:05

i was trying to do with do

57:06

a sense of urgency of mean there's an existential

57:08

threat facing the baby seats bracelets

57:12

the you think it might be more useful

57:14

fighting that battle from inside it rather

57:16

than outside it or not i don't

57:18

for what it's worth i got a thing he has to be

57:20

outside it to actually speak

57:23

freely about the dangers that it's facing

57:25

from

57:26

politicians

57:30

i don't know i didn't have the old says

57:32

that i mean i do know that i i

57:35

couldn't have done that my i couldn't have said

57:37

million ads on what i was really trying to say

57:40

was you know when

57:43

when there is so populist rhetoric

57:45

that is having journalists

57:48

that they're not being patriotic enough

57:50

more that that they can use all

57:53

that day off and you know

57:55

not not of the people whatever

57:57

we're to get away from that and we have to say

57:59

the

58:00

get i get was going on here we need

58:02

the glossary we need to understand we

58:05

need on some was gay on who you're trying to divide

58:08

the journalists who journalists who you

58:10

there's accountable he knows who he is shazia

58:13

thinking the with you gave a speech senate go we

58:15

can trust you guys know i'm one of these new television

58:17

stations be conscious to be busy

58:19

yeah i mean i

58:21

i don't know why you'd say that unless

58:23

what you were trying to do with speak to the people in

58:25

the room

58:26

and and cheer up the sense that

58:28

you know in a bbc wasn't

58:31

doing it's job or in it's unsafe

58:33

frumpy yeah i mean look

58:36

the it's it's what i think i understood

58:38

when i was rising it was there

58:40

was a playbook mayonnaise and

58:42

i felt stupid

58:43

that i hadn't read it or my

58:46

i looked at the work that the person like

58:48

ms offensively his name

58:51

is i'll a penny of skates with

58:53

writing about a study she'd done on

58:55

in israel under the next meal her

58:57

government and the jealousy reported

59:00

on on his government's on

59:02

one of the things that in a he city with

59:04

his this right of reply really

59:06

extensively that that you'd make

59:08

journalists run every word he said

59:11

because as a journalist you can the

59:13

i thought to prove myself i've got pre

59:15

to the wouldn't help their i am some so balanced

59:18

i'm gonna run the system or that it as

59:20

the be right and said once you understand

59:22

how these things operate your your kind

59:24

of like yeah we suddenly not the time

59:26

the time have been better at my job

59:30

we're nearly done for just our personal

59:32

curiosity reading up on

59:34

the prince andrew interview and the

59:38

happiness he fell at the end of and

59:40

friends telling you that everyone was

59:43

hi just with it

59:45

did you know you'd go

59:48

yeah

59:49

the you you glitchy you're watching the blue toss paper

59:51

burn and and presenters fabless

59:53

i will i was jolly good we enjoyed that and it's

59:55

to sees his game show some shots and sort

59:58

he knew it blown himself up this

1:00:01

hi

1:00:02

new that what we had was pretty

1:00:04

i'm

1:00:06

cause what i was doing with

1:00:09

constantly asking more

1:00:11

questions i'd missed oh my god did i did

1:00:13

i did i miss that did i ask about that

1:00:15

does i checked with the so to did i get my dates

1:00:17

right do they get my name's rights because i

1:00:20

would never be the person is like

1:00:22

ah already goal is is that

1:00:25

was my son has this affair with yeah there's nothing

1:00:27

says it likes of kept on saying i'm a bit

1:00:29

shake was sitting my producer with his

1:00:31

knees up against the wall as like stamps

1:00:34

gonna did i mention that he and he is

1:00:36

he was sort of calming me down on

1:00:39

i think we both know that

1:00:41

when he finished a an interview there

1:00:43

is an adrenalin in the room right

1:00:46

and i would say from his perspective

1:00:48

it was released

1:00:49

right now he got through an hour here

1:00:51

i am so for me

1:00:52

but there's there's a sense of the

1:00:54

adrenalin right so he's like i

1:00:57

got through it i've said it he

1:00:59

came up with

1:01:00

reasons why he couldn't have been

1:01:02

in in express can

1:01:04

have been sweating thought they all the

1:01:07

get cold water

1:01:08

and

1:01:11

he he i guess either he'd been kind

1:01:13

of stuff around for years

1:01:15

they had a so the sensor catharsis short

1:01:17

lived but still

1:01:18

i think he was happy with it until

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mine sunny as the such say lunchtime

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right

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you know when he began to see the writing

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on the wall

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yeah own something took

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it

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gun pointed it out

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at any on any

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i regret

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an astonishing thing isn't it so brought

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down a member of the royal family

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i think i just asked the question

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we ever do in i'm

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speaking of which

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final

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christian the news agency

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oh newport cause with with john sofa with with

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lose good old in the server

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he did it into a room as well that

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much and i very much in the room as well a

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it started very well what but i'd work for

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resale vc for long time what

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it has become while global has become a

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much bigger operator than it was when we started

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said as a slight where it's from

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the people already here the

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little people coming over for the baby say a

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gonna be in a sort of former almost semi

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retirement andrew marr

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there's new lbc show at the amount

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of work he puts into and the determination

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he has to absolutely

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make an impact as know censor of free

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waiting for the last few years of his career before

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going off to tend his allotment or anything like that

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i census even so phone and for louis and

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for dino so fussy mention the

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producer on i sense to same sort of

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energy since the went harder nice

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and it i know not complaining

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about as a tool but i think

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you know

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we still figuring it out right and

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we heard

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what feels like a great start really

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enjoyed it but we

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don't either we didn't stop so

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it is sixteen hundred what's up a

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day because you're trying sir he just finished

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recording you plenty on except they were

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a small you know what we have a nice

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yang better but the original gangs

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and honestly

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james i think with with they going

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out what works what doesn't

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was a bump so what's the great sound

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when does the conversation sound you

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tell me when does it sound and clue says

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i'm so actually in

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a they'll be some mistakes i think as we go along

1:03:36

but i don't think any of us have come

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here to

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chill coast whoop

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whoop that

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i feel like i will now i'm so the like

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in a until the headmaster

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and yes it is as i said ,

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expected on the matter is

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that of that lot of people out i do have some

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plenty of silly all birds if you're not

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provides or so years

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if he works abroad he read a book

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it's gonna be a film is

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if if you've secured some of the biggest

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journalist a hits of the last twenty years

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possibly the biggest with with with in terms

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of the studio ensued sounds of the certainly decided

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against that the mls till it begins

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at ever about modesty they are not gonna

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is gonna miss gonna snobby he's dangerously

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relaxed dangerously relaxed a d any ambitions

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were will ambitions do you have less there

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is becoming a

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, that's that's

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i look forward to the uncertain as to thank

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like easy laugh at got a dog cause

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you got me bang to rights i look forward to the

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to aleppo to the student

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journalists two years from now sammy

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made as you made said night live

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in a season or the avoidance get

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avoidance chance to go

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that is on the record right now i

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never ever ever would go into

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politics and i never ever ever

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we'll get politics and that is my

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absolute pledge and promise to anyone

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listening to her that her first have any that

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isn't easy