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new insights on on long COVID

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COVID vaccine injuries. The

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government now says that most

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Americans are being impacted by

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by long COVID, illnesses that

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to know something they are

1:00

not advertising. This also includes long

1:02

VAX injuries. vaccine injuries

1:04

that may occur after after vaccination,

1:06

even if you had no adverse

1:08

events at the time. at the time. From

1:10

what I can tell, some public health

1:12

officials are improperly trying to call all of

1:14

them. all of them COVID-related separating

1:16

out the ones. that are

1:19

are likely related or

1:21

exacerbated by vaccines. for

1:23

several important for several reasons

1:25

because the vaccine injuries, according to

1:27

scientists that are treating these

1:29

things, may need slightly different and

1:31

sometimes more aggressive treatments than

1:33

the long COVID injuries. injuries. And also

1:35

it's important to fill in

1:37

really major blanks that the government

1:40

has left left irresponsibly it comes

1:42

to this one one-time vaccine given

1:44

to so many people. to so many

1:46

It has not launched an

1:48

appropriate and effective campaign to

1:50

monitor to monitor for up adverse events,

1:52

critical with any new medicine,

1:54

but particularly an experimental vaccine,

1:56

the likes of which nobody

1:59

had ever received. before, given to

2:01

so many people. There should be

2:03

very meticulous monitoring and required reporting

2:05

for years, and it should have

2:07

started the day the first vaccine

2:09

was given. They pretended to have

2:11

sort of a program that watched

2:14

out for some immediate adverse events

2:16

in a limited way. They very

2:18

loosely collect them through the federal

2:20

database without really making sure that

2:22

most of the events are even

2:24

reported by doctors in the proper

2:26

way. but we really need to

2:28

get better at figuring out what

2:31

the vaccines are doing in the

2:33

long term to people. We know

2:35

not just the heart disorders that

2:37

it can cause, but many other

2:39

things being reported, such as vision

2:41

problems, hearing problems, gut problems, muscle

2:43

problems, paralysis, brain fog, you name

2:46

it, the vaccines can be linked

2:48

in some way because of the

2:50

way vaccines work in our bodies

2:52

to all kinds of problems and

2:54

people depending on There are other

2:56

exposures, their genetic predispositions, and so

2:58

on. But anyway, we are checking

3:01

in today with a doctor who

3:03

is looking at all of this,

3:05

Dr. Jordan Vaughn, an independent doctor

3:07

of Methealth Clinics in Birmingham, Alabama.

3:09

did a very popular town hall

3:11

with him over a year ago

3:13

on these topics, and we've been

3:16

checking in with him ever since

3:18

because he is on the leading

3:20

edge of figuring out the puzzles

3:22

that may help us solve what

3:24

could treat patients who have been

3:26

told by the likes of Mayo

3:28

Clinic that they can't figure out

3:31

what's wrong with them. Well, Dr.

3:33

Vaughn has been able to help

3:35

some of these patients. He's treated

3:37

thousands of them, and he's learning

3:39

a lot. Today he's going to

3:41

give us his new insights on

3:43

long COVID and COVID vaccine injuries

3:45

and how he's treating them. And

3:48

this includes emerging treatment of iliac

3:50

vein compression by putting in stents.

3:52

One reason you'll want to listen

3:54

to this is because he's discovered

3:56

a pretty big subset of his

3:58

COVID and COVID vaccine injury patients

4:00

have problems with compression of the

4:03

vein, this is sort of in

4:05

the pelvic area, what's fascinating is

4:07

this compression issue can manifest in

4:09

all kinds of different ways with

4:11

symptoms you would not connect to

4:13

a compressed vein in your pelvis,

4:15

let alone COVID or COVID vaccine.

4:18

It can be rigid muscles, feeling

4:20

very sick, brain fog, I mean,

4:22

you name it almost any kind

4:24

of symptom you can have that

4:26

could be impacted from ultimately apparently

4:28

from what Dr. Jordan says, your

4:30

blood flow not working right or

4:33

the oxygen not being transported properly

4:35

through your body, that can be

4:37

impacted. And the normal test that

4:39

you will go to get from

4:41

a doctor who may say he's

4:43

testing you for everything, Dr. Vaughn

4:45

says will not reveal this problem

4:48

or other ones that he's been

4:50

able to detect. So if you

4:52

think you're reaching a dead end

4:54

and you're having issues, don't give

4:56

up. There are doctors who are

4:58

looking into this sort of thing,

5:00

different ways to test for it,

5:02

successful ways to treat it, if

5:05

not cure it, but at least

5:07

to treat it, and make patients

5:09

better. I'll be reporting on all

5:11

of this, by the way, on

5:13

my December 8th program, full measure,

5:15

but here now is the full

5:17

interview with Dr. It's

5:21

been a while since we checked in,

5:23

and this is the type of thing

5:25

where you're learning, I guess, day by

5:27

day. What is the latest thinking and

5:29

what's the latest that's new? So, actually,

5:32

late August, a group at UCSF and

5:34

the Gladstone Institute came out and actually

5:36

confirmed, for the most part, what we

5:38

had already thought, that Phibrin was a

5:40

big driver of a lot of this.

5:43

And actually, the paper states that Phibrin

5:45

actually drives thromble inflammation. I think you've

5:47

heard that word before when the last

5:49

time we talked, and that it causes

5:52

a lot of even the neuropathology, a

5:54

lot of the brain fog, the cognitive

5:56

dysfunction, those kind of things. The other

5:58

thing that we're seeing is going back

6:00

to the veins. Now, the first time

6:03

we were here, we talked a lot

6:05

about the small vessels, especially on the

6:07

arterial side, the ability to get oxygen

6:09

out to tissues. But more, not more

6:11

importantly, just as importantly as to get

6:14

the sewage away. And so the veins

6:16

and the venules have a lot of

6:18

immunological function, but also the big veins

6:20

are kind of your waste. waste disposal

6:22

center and if there's any kind of

6:25

impediment to getting venous blood back to

6:27

the heart it can cause a lot

6:29

of these symptoms and seems like that

6:31

COVID damages the endothelium the inside of

6:34

these vessels and then makes them where

6:36

Most of these people probably already had

6:38

veins that were a little bit more

6:40

pliable and floppy than average, but it

6:42

makes it even worse and causes them

6:45

to have issues, especially young runners, even

6:47

probably people we've talked to too, got

6:49

better on anicoagulants, but then the additional

6:51

thing we found is the venous component

6:53

of that and had to fix that

6:56

as well. How did you fix that?

6:58

So medicines are helpful and we're trying

7:00

to come up with a lot of

7:02

what I would call non-invasive ways to

7:04

do it. We have some things that

7:07

we're trying, especially kind of with the

7:09

foundation, things that are like ultrasonic and

7:11

also different modalities like EECP, but the

7:13

current way to fix it is actually

7:16

something called a stint. And so a

7:18

stent meaning something that opens that vessel

7:20

up. And my kind of partner in

7:22

crime, I guess, in Colorado, we've done

7:24

about 200 now in this patient base

7:27

anywhere from the ages of 15 to

7:29

about 72, 73 is the oldest. And

7:31

the young people definitely do very, very

7:33

well. The older people, it does take

7:35

a little longer because their veins are

7:38

older to begin with. And so a

7:40

lot of these people already had some

7:42

kind of Venus, you know, spider veins

7:44

or had abletions. So they already had

7:47

kind of stretchable or easy to damage

7:49

veins and now all of a sudden

7:51

it's you know it's way worse than

7:53

it was. So try to explain just

7:55

in the simplest of terms what the

7:58

stint does, what's being caused. then what

8:00

this what the stint does for people

8:02

and and we're talking about COVID and

8:04

COVID vaccine. Yeah, both. Yeah, without a

8:06

doubt. And so the interesting thing and

8:09

will be that historically this problem had

8:11

usually been thought of as something that

8:13

you're born with. And it is true

8:15

that it does people that have kind

8:17

of idyllic vein compressions, they're common within

8:20

the general population, but they are not

8:22

necessarily clinically significant. So a lot of

8:24

these people go from having some, probably

8:26

some types of lower extremity venous issues,

8:29

things like that they felt better when

8:31

they ran, if they stood up for

8:33

a long time or sat for a

8:35

long time, their legs might go to

8:37

sleep. Those are things that they had

8:40

before COVID, but then all of a

8:42

sudden they go from that to having

8:44

basically not able to stand up for

8:46

a long time, not able to run

8:48

anymore and it's just significantly affecting their

8:51

life. So actually opening up that iliac

8:53

vein allows that blood to get back

8:55

to the heart and at the same

8:57

time drain in a drain your ven

8:59

system. It's very passive, it's low pressure,

9:02

so it's really influenced by gravity. It's

9:04

also the heart of your venous system

9:06

is moving your legs. If you don't

9:08

move your legs, which you don't usually

9:11

do when you're asleep, a lot of

9:13

these people wake up feeling awful, feeling

9:15

like they haven't slept at all, feeling

9:17

like it takes an hour for them

9:19

to get going in the morning, and

9:22

previously they were the exact opposite people

9:24

that got up at 5 AM, and

9:26

ran four miles, and they were the

9:28

crazy. What does it tell you that

9:30

this is a secondary thing you've learned?

9:33

I think first of all we knew

9:35

some obvious things that were happening from

9:37

people who had COVID and COVID vaccine

9:39

problems, but this seems to be a

9:41

pretty big subset that was something you

9:44

discovered later. Yeah, and it really overlaps

9:46

with, I think, more of a lot

9:48

of these, a lot of the people

9:50

are also what we call hypermobile and

9:53

more flexible than average. A lot of

9:55

them have GI dismotility, they'll have lots

9:57

of GI issues, and they'll be also

9:59

super sensitive to every medicine. of the

10:01

last person you want to even try

10:04

on medicine, so you've got to be

10:06

very, very careful. But it teaches you

10:08

that there's a lot of overlap in

10:10

how systems work, and you damage one

10:12

system, and then you cause issues with

10:15

all kinds of other systems. And I

10:17

think that's why it's so confusing to

10:19

a lot of physicians, because it doesn't

10:21

really follow the siloed medical world that

10:23

we live in, where you have a

10:26

cart issue, and you need to go

10:28

over there. You're doing a lot of

10:30

conferencing with other medical professionals, sharing what

10:32

you've learned, kind of spreading the word.

10:35

What is the status today of what

10:37

the medical establishment thinks about all this

10:39

versus what they knew maybe a year

10:41

ago? Do you feel as though they're

10:43

starting to get on board with understanding

10:46

there's something different they may have to

10:48

look at? I think there's two things

10:50

that can happen. One is the medical

10:52

system currently is trying to solve this

10:54

issue through the lens of the top-down

10:57

approach, which is gather all this information

10:59

and come up with a unique one

11:01

probably patentable solution. And the reality is,

11:03

is these kind of disease processes, similar

11:06

to the last time we talked of

11:08

the kind of ME, CFS, kind of

11:10

cohort, they're not single issue or silo

11:12

kind of disease processes. So there's usually

11:14

not gonna be some monotherapy or monotherapy

11:17

that actually proves to be useful. Instead,

11:19

it's a lot of combining understandings of

11:21

different systems and working with those systems

11:23

to find ways with medicines that we

11:25

already have. And so even not too

11:28

long ago, went up to Washington to

11:30

talk a little bit about this, but

11:32

the main thing, the main point was

11:34

is they actually were asking for help

11:36

because they're kind of lost in it

11:39

too. Again, this doesn't really, it's not

11:41

like some unique cancer diagnosis that they're

11:43

allowed to get the genetics and the

11:45

makeup and then, you know, apply all

11:48

the epidemiology and the, you know, the

11:50

phenotypes that come. Instead, it's. It's almost

11:52

like most of the people that are

11:54

finding ways to help people are starting

11:56

from the ground up and a lot

11:59

of times it's just. the patient and

12:01

figuring out sometimes a lot of my

12:03

patients have tried stuff and it worked

12:05

and then when I think through it

12:07

I say well that makes a lot

12:10

of sense I might try that on

12:12

somebody else and that's really how medicine

12:14

is more of an art to practice

12:16

than it is something that's just easily

12:18

prescribed and protocol. But that's really not

12:21

the way I think a lot of

12:23

doctors are taught to conduct their practices.

12:25

So they're probably not doing that. Yeah,

12:27

I think curiosity has been beaten out

12:30

of every doctor. And I'd say most

12:32

doctors that really went to medical school

12:34

after the onset of evidence-based medicine really

12:36

don't know how to. think about maybe

12:38

some of the things that you're talking

12:41

or some of the things that might

12:43

help. And so they're kind of closed

12:45

off boxes that are very good at

12:47

performing procedures. Procedures for things we know

12:49

about. When it comes to something that

12:52

we don't know about, we're really a

12:54

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started. What is your thinking

14:09

today as to what is being caused

14:11

by people who had COVID, maybe even

14:13

without symptoms, versus what may be caused

14:15

by people who had COVID vaccines and

14:17

a problem with that? So the vaccine,

14:19

I mean, I think the more we

14:22

learn about it, and again, learn about

14:24

it as in they didn't know this

14:26

either, which is even a bigger problem

14:28

that you kind of say that this

14:30

thing from beforehand is safe and effective

14:32

and then the next thing you know,

14:34

there's also complications to it. That seems

14:37

to be the... kind of the reverse

14:39

way that we should be having any

14:41

preventive therapy entered into society. But a

14:43

lot of the vaccine injury has much

14:45

more, where it penetrates, so things like

14:47

lots more neurological issues, stuff that's very

14:49

disconcerting to the patient, but also mystifying

14:52

to the neurologists. On top of that,

14:54

it seems like immunologically the vaccine makes

14:56

your immune system in many ways different

14:58

than it would be if you just

15:00

had COVID. But I don't discount the

15:02

fact that many of my patients have

15:04

never had the vaccine and they have

15:07

pretty severe long COVID symptoms. Just the

15:09

same. I've got plenty of people that

15:11

swear they've never had COVID and their

15:13

immunological data proves that out and they've

15:15

got terrible similar symptoms as well. But

15:17

the unique thing in that is the

15:19

spike protein is the spike protein. you

15:22

know, and in a sense that means

15:24

that if we kind of understand the

15:26

pathogen, then the pathogen being exposed to

15:28

these people, it doesn't matter in some

15:30

instances. It definitely seems to be worse

15:32

with vaccine. And then there's other complications

15:34

with the vaccine that we don't really,

15:37

you know, again, it's delivery technology, how

15:39

well it's, you know, where it spreads

15:41

into different tissues, a lot of that

15:43

is being discovered after the fact, which

15:45

is kind of quite disconcerting. There's a

15:47

major study the federal government is behind.

15:49

I think it's a global study called

15:52

recover. And I was surprised to learn

15:54

as I was engaging with them. they

15:56

don't seem to be separating out with

15:58

their patient population, who had the vaccine

16:00

and who didn't. It seems to me

16:02

they're being presented with important data as

16:04

we try to figure out, as we

16:07

should be, what vaccine side effects there

16:09

are, and yet they're blending, they're calling

16:11

them all long COVID. They're not distinguishing

16:13

between the patients who may have been

16:15

exacerbated because they were vaccinated. Yeah, and

16:17

I think that the patients know. I

16:19

will tell you that most of them

16:22

can temporarily tell you when things changed.

16:24

But yeah, I think that's unfortunately on

16:26

purpose. I will say in my clinic,

16:28

you know, the important thing is, have

16:30

you been vaccinated? And then what were

16:32

the symptoms after your vaccine? I would

16:34

say some people never had any symptoms

16:37

within that kind of 14 day. issue,

16:39

but then months later started to have

16:41

interesting kind of cardiovascular problems or new

16:43

onset brain fog, those kind of things.

16:45

And it's, again, they haven't had COVID

16:47

in that time period. But I like

16:49

to make that distinction because it does

16:52

kind of inform us, you know, what

16:54

kind of, I'd say the amount of

16:56

damage seems to be more, the more

16:58

times the spike has been allowed to

17:00

run through your body. Would it be

17:02

important if the government is trying to

17:04

figure out protocols on what's going on?

17:07

Do you think it's important that they

17:09

know this distinction between the patients who

17:11

had vaccines and those who didn't? When

17:13

you're discussing a course of treatment or

17:15

is the treatment going to be the

17:17

same regardless? I definitely think it matters

17:19

in terms of what kind of recommendations

17:22

they blanketly give to everybody. Like, go

17:24

get a repeat booster. I think last

17:26

time I counted, the typical person, I

17:28

think it's 10 vaccines or 10 total

17:30

shots they should have had by now.

17:32

Now I will tell you, I haven't

17:34

yet to meet probably one person that's

17:37

had all 10, which makes me think

17:39

there's a lot of anti-vaxers out there

17:41

because they didn't follow what the government

17:43

told them to do. But in the

17:45

end, the government is telling us to

17:47

continually be exposed to this thing that

17:49

we now know and all agree pretty

17:52

much within the literature is a pathogen.

17:54

And at the same time, they don't

17:56

really. the long-term consequences and their solution

17:58

is to just give you another dose

18:00

and that in medicine especially preventive medicine

18:02

is absolutely contrary to the way we

18:04

would design something to help prevent somebody

18:07

from having issues. Let's talk about the

18:09

patients we're going to see today, or

18:11

we already talked to. How is Hannah

18:13

doing? So Hannah's doing good. So she

18:15

actually has had a stand. And again,

18:17

going back to that hypermobile, used to

18:19

be a gymnast, Hannah's very much that

18:22

way. And she basically is able to

18:24

get along and do the things that

18:26

she needs to do. And is she

18:28

back running? Like Ellen, probably she's really

18:30

not, but she is 100% more functional

18:32

than she was before. But there's still

18:34

lots of stuff we have to learn.

18:37

And I think that's the other thing

18:39

is, especially when you throw in how

18:41

many times she's had COVID and the

18:43

vaccine exposure, she still has a lot

18:45

of damage that needs to be repaired.

18:47

How many times has she had COVID

18:49

and how many vaccines, if you know?

18:52

I don't know. Okay, that's right, go

18:54

ahead. But in her, you know, the

18:56

vasculature itself has been damaged, damaged in

18:58

a way that needs to be repaired.

19:00

So even one of the things that

19:02

my colleague in Denver, we talk about

19:04

as well as my colleague at Emory

19:07

Alexis Cutchins, is, you know, it's one

19:09

thing to open up the vessel. It's

19:11

another to understand that all the vessels

19:13

are also probably having issues. They're just

19:15

not as apparently obvious as the one

19:17

that's compressed. And so we've got to

19:19

make sure not only that we open

19:22

it up and allow venous flow to

19:24

happen, but we've got to heal the

19:26

rest of the vasculature too. And there's

19:28

lots of ways that we do that,

19:30

whether it's with anicoagulants, other kind of

19:32

supplements that help with the inside of

19:34

the vessel to heal back to the

19:37

normal state. And how is Ellen doing?

19:39

She's doing good as well. She's actually-

19:41

Well we first met her, she was

19:43

really not doing well. So she hadn't

19:45

gone through the treatments yet. Yeah, and

19:47

she is actually doing really well. She's

19:49

actually coaching, I think, a Sanford track

19:52

team now, which has been fun for

19:54

her. she's not as much of a

19:56

runner anymore because she's now throughout, you

19:58

know, through that, through that part of

20:00

her life. Did she have a stunt?

20:02

Yes, she did. And what difference did

20:04

it make? A big difference. I mean,

20:07

you could tell actually a lot of

20:09

these runners have a lot of what

20:11

we would call physiological data that they

20:13

collect with these new devices like hoops

20:15

and those kind of things. And her

20:17

heart rate variability instantly improved her. baseline

20:19

heart rate all the time. I mean

20:22

you could almost see it from when

20:24

the stint went in and she actually

20:26

because her dad is a track coach

20:28

as well so they like to keep

20:30

up data on all of their athletes

20:32

you could just see it go you

20:34

know back to normal. I

20:37

still have hardly a day go by that

20:39

I don't run into somebody who's having a

20:41

problem that nobody can seem to solve and

20:43

they've been to the doctors and they wonder

20:45

if it's something that if only they saw

20:47

the right doctor they might be able to

20:49

figure out because I think it might be

20:51

COVID or COVID vaccine related. What is your

20:53

advice to so many people who are looking

20:55

for answers? So first I think it is

20:57

to write down all your symptoms and write

20:59

down things that you're experiencing. I think that

21:01

really helps a lot of the doctors to

21:03

put it all together because especially when somebody

21:05

comes with six months or a year of

21:07

issues and some of those issues change throughout

21:09

time. It's really hard especially in the way

21:11

our medical system set up to sit there

21:13

and digest that in 15 minutes. The other

21:15

thing is coming up with a temporal relationship

21:17

that either a vaccine or an infection had

21:19

to your symptoms and I think that's really

21:21

helpful to doctors to go. You know what,

21:23

you're right. You know, I mean, you can't

21:25

exclude that as an issue. And I think

21:27

that also helps a lot. A lot of

21:29

people haven't even thought about it when I

21:31

sit and talk to them about their symptoms

21:33

and then relate it to when they had

21:35

COVID or the vaccine. They go, no, I

21:37

never really thought about that, but you're right.

21:39

It was a week right, one week after

21:41

that. And it's not that surprising to go,

21:43

well, the likelihood that it's related to COVID

21:45

is probably much higher if it's related to

21:47

COVID. But that's not to say it all

21:49

the time. It's also to find doctors that

21:51

will listen, doctors who are reading a lot,

21:53

and doctors who will try to care for

21:55

their patients beyond the kind of protocols.

21:57

most of them are

21:59

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