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Liberal Party's campaign has been

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policies, few details

0:37

on others and candidate

0:39

scandals. While opposition leader

0:41

Peter Dutton began the

0:43

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1:05

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1:07

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1:09

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1:11

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1:13

the others. But will it work

1:15

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1:18

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1:20

Dan Gervispari on the Liberal

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there, Dan. Hey, Noah. So you've

2:35

been following the campaign closely. You've

2:37

spent time on the road and

2:39

you've written a deep dive this

2:41

weekend about the Liberal Party's campaign

2:43

and what's gone wrong for them.

2:45

And in the piece, you take

2:47

us back to Peter Dutton's first

2:49

public appearance of 2025. My friends,

2:51

it's great to be back in Victoria. Thank you

2:53

very much for being here today. Tell me about

2:56

that day. Yeah, it seems like a

2:58

lifetime ago now. So this was

3:00

on the 12th of January. The Liberal

3:02

Party at a state and federal level

3:04

is back in town. It was a Liberal

3:06

Party rally to sort showcase their

3:08

key message. This year, Australians will have

3:10

an opportunity to elect a new government. and

3:13

a new strong coalition government to get

3:15

our country back on track. And

3:17

these events, to start to hear a

3:20

significant, sort of setting the scene right.

3:22

And as he was going through the

3:24

speech, he got through all the messages,

3:26

they sort of laid out the vision.

3:28

But it was a very striking image

3:30

of him, and he was very clearly hot.

3:34

He was sweating over the course

3:36

of the speech and at multiple

3:38

times. during the address he reached

3:40

for his handkerchief and had to

3:42

wipe the sweat off his forehead.

3:44

But I think as we look

3:46

back on that now and seeing

3:49

the way that the coalition campaign

3:51

has turned out, in some

3:53

ways it's turned into a bit of

3:55

an analogy for the way that his

3:57

campaign has gone, that when the heat

3:59

has been applied, when he's been put

4:01

in the furnace of an election

4:03

campaign, that he has really felt it.

4:05

Yeah, you had a great line

4:07

in your piece where you said that

4:10

Peter Dutton appears to have wilted

4:12

in the election furnace. What about the

4:14

election environment or an election campaign

4:16

environment? Do you think created that? Elections

4:19

are really high pressure environments.

4:21

So politicians are in the public

4:23

spotlight constantly. Peter Dutton's been

4:25

in parliament for a long time.

4:27

He's had to face The

4:29

media election campaigns are different and

4:31

they really can't be replicated

4:33

unless you've lived through them as

4:36

Anthony Albanese found out in

4:38

in 2022 and in terms of

4:40

the kind of practicalities of

4:42

them. Peter Dutton is known to

4:44

shun. one -on -one interviews with

4:46

large sections of the media. You

4:48

just can't do that during

4:50

the course of the election campaigns.

4:53

You've got the entirety of the

4:55

press gallery from Sky News and

4:57

News Corp through The Guardian and

5:00

the ABC. You have to

5:02

front up to them every day and answer

5:04

questions. And then after that's done,

5:06

you can't go to ground for three or four

5:08

days. You have to face up to them

5:10

again. It is an environment. that

5:12

is unique in the political cycle and

5:14

if you have a bad day the pressure

5:16

builds to the next day and the

5:18

next day and the next day and

5:20

that's what we saw Dutton certainly over the

5:23

course of the first week, the

5:25

pressure built over the course of the week

5:27

and you could really see him straining. And

5:30

his face scrutiny and questioning

5:32

over his policies. And when

5:34

it comes to policies, the

5:36

Liberal Party has junked some,

5:39

it's announced others with little detail, some

5:42

policies, big policies have hardly been

5:44

spoken of during the campaign. How

5:46

much has that helped

5:48

Labor's campaign? Yeah, it's been

5:51

really significant. So I think for

5:53

oppositions, the challenge that

5:55

they face is twofold. One,

5:57

you have to identify to

5:59

voters the problem, essentially why the

6:01

government is a bad government, why things

6:03

aren't going well, but then there's

6:05

the second part of the equation and

6:07

that is to essentially set out

6:09

what you're going to offer, the alternative

6:11

that you'll provide and that's where

6:13

the policies come in. So

6:15

consider this scenario, had Cyclone

6:17

Alfred not come, we

6:20

would have had a situation where Anthony Albanese

6:22

In all likelihood, would have called the

6:24

election for April 12. And at

6:26

that point, the coalition had no centrepiece

6:29

cost of living policy, nothing on

6:31

income tax cuts. They had no short

6:33

-term plan to bring down energy prices.

6:35

They had nothing on defence spending. They

6:38

had a few policies on housing, but

6:40

nothing significant. Now, what

6:42

we've seen subsequent to that,

6:44

both through what Peter Dutton announced

6:46

during the budget reply speech, is

6:49

the cut to the fuel excise,

6:51

there's been things that have been

6:53

announced subsequently but it's all been

6:55

rolled out relatively late in the

6:57

piece. Now in terms of what

6:59

that's meant for Labor is the

7:01

coalition created a vacuum and politics

7:03

loads a vacuum because somebody is

7:05

going to fill it and what

7:07

Labor has been able to do

7:09

because of the vacuum that the

7:11

Liberals have created from a policy

7:13

sense is they've been able to

7:15

fill that with their message, both

7:17

their positive message for building Australia's

7:19

future, but also the negative message

7:21

in terms of painting Peter Dutton

7:23

as somebody that is going to

7:25

cut Medicare to pay for his

7:27

nuclear reactors. They've been the

7:29

ones that have been able to define

7:31

the election campaign really from the

7:33

start. And the lack of

7:35

policies from the coalition has played a

7:38

big part in that. And

7:42

what have people on the

7:44

inside told you about the way

7:46

the Liberal Party has played

7:48

this campaign, about the vacuum that

7:50

was created? Yeah, there's

7:52

been a mix of,

7:55

from MPs certainly and Liberal

7:57

Party supporters and members, a

8:00

mix of frustration. exasperation,

8:05

there has been people that have

8:07

been perplexed. And as we got

8:09

closer to the election, the MPs

8:11

themselves started to get worried that

8:13

they didn't have policies to be

8:15

able to sell to voters when

8:17

they started to interact with them.

8:19

There's a sense that just the

8:21

groundwork hadn't been done to be

8:23

able to prosecute the case for

8:25

change. And the reason why it's

8:27

so frustrating for MPs is that

8:29

they genuinely feel that the Albanese

8:31

government has been, for one of

8:33

a better phrase, there for the

8:35

taking, that they're not a good

8:37

government. They're a lackluster government. There

8:40

has been an economic environment that

8:42

is conducive to a change of

8:44

government. We've seen it all around

8:46

the world where incumbents have really

8:48

struggled to hold power. because of

8:50

the cost of living crisis. So

8:52

there has been a combination

8:54

of sort of negative emotions about

8:57

the way that it's played

8:59

out. And I don't think you

9:01

could find anyone, even the

9:03

strongest liberal supporters that would think

9:05

that this has gone to

9:07

plan. It's interesting, Dan, your piece

9:09

suggests that the opposition leader

9:11

has been hamstrung by party officials

9:14

who are trying to control

9:16

the message and the strategy. And

9:18

sources have told you that

9:20

voters haven't had a chance to

9:22

see Dutton be Dutton. What

9:25

would that look like, Dan? Yeah,

9:27

it's an interesting challenge. And it goes

9:29

to, I guess, almost the central

9:31

tension that the Liberal Party faces at

9:33

the moment is they're facing so

9:35

much competing pressure from the right of

9:37

their party. And I'm sure we'll

9:40

get to Donald Trump at some point,

9:42

people wanting them to go further

9:44

in that direction. also facing a

9:46

challenge. Do we try and appeal to

9:48

voters in teal seats that we lost

9:50

last time? So they've really

9:52

struggled, I think, to really get

9:54

a clear sense of who do we

9:56

want to be and how do

9:59

we want to portray the message that

10:01

we want to. What we've seen

10:03

with Dutton, everybody that's

10:05

followed politics over certainly

10:07

over the last five or

10:09

10 years, would have a clear

10:11

idea of who Peter Dutton

10:13

is. He's the former Queensland cop

10:15

who's hardline on immigration. And

10:18

there was a sense, certainly over

10:20

the course of the last, really probably

10:22

from the voice to parliament referendum

10:24

onwards, that some of those

10:26

traits were actually playing favorably

10:28

for them, that voters were resonating

10:30

with this guy who we

10:32

might not agree with what he

10:35

says. but he's clear and

10:37

he's direct and he doesn't back

10:39

down and you contrast that with Anthony

10:41

Albanese who is kind of a

10:43

bit wishy -washy, the coalition was able

10:45

to paint him as weak. What

10:47

we've seen over the course of

10:49

the campaign is Peter Dutton on a

10:52

few occasions he's admitted mistakes. Look

10:54

I think we've made a mistake in

10:56

relation to this policy syrup and

10:58

I think it's important that we say

11:00

that and recognise it. We saw

11:02

during the course of one of the

11:04

debates He made the concession that

11:07

he didn't know Donald Trump. You trust

11:09

him was the question. Well, we

11:11

trust the United States and I don't

11:13

know the President. I've

11:15

not met him, the Prime Minister obviously.

11:18

has been able to... So you're not going

11:20

to say you trust Trump? I don't

11:22

know. Donald Trump is my point. There's been

11:24

an attempt to kind of soften his

11:26

image a little bit. He's brought his family

11:29

out. Now, you might have seen over

11:31

the last couple of days Peter Dutton's son

11:33

Harry has been with him on the

11:35

campaign trail. I am saving up for a

11:37

house and so is... My sister back

11:39

and a lot of my mates, but as

11:41

you've probably heard, it's almost impossible to

11:43

get it. But it is perplexed. Some people

11:45

who think, well, it is who he

11:47

is. Why don't you just let him

11:50

do that, play to his strengths? What we've seen.

11:52

Supposed strength. Supposed, supposed strength. What we've seen

11:54

in contrast is a kind of a

11:56

mix of like, who is this guy? you're

12:01

putting yourself up to be the

12:03

prime minister, that's the last thing that

12:05

you want. It's

12:07

not the first time we've seen

12:09

Peter Dutton attempt to reinvent himself

12:11

Yeah, I mean we saw during

12:14

that the famous one is during

12:16

the the leadership spill in 2018

12:18

where he Came out and said

12:20

look I can smile a little

12:22

bit more now that that didn't

12:24

last Particularly long. No, it's it

12:26

has led to the question of

12:29

who is the real done I

12:31

Want to talk about the Trump

12:33

factor. Yeah, Peter Dutton began the

12:35

year echoing some of Donald Trump's

12:37

policies and rhetoric. It took aim

12:39

at diversity and inclusion. In

12:42

late January, he also reshuffled

12:44

his cabinet, created a shadow minister

12:46

for government efficiency. It

12:48

looked like the Liberal

12:50

Party saw success in aligning

12:52

themselves with some of

12:55

Trump's so -called anti -woke agenda.

12:58

What's happened? Yeah, I think it's probably

13:00

worth going back to even before

13:02

that at the time that Donald Trump

13:04

won. There was a real sense

13:06

within the Liberal Party and the broader

13:08

political circles that Trump's election is

13:10

going to play well for the Liberals

13:12

for a series of reasons. One

13:15

is there was a sense that Trump's

13:17

victory didn't occur in a vacuum.

13:19

It was a part of a kind

13:21

of broader shift to the right

13:23

that was occurring globally. another

13:25

example of a rejection of the

13:27

sort of wokeness that Peter Dutton

13:30

has spent a long time fighting.

13:32

So it felt like the ground

13:34

was really rich for a leader

13:36

like Peter Dutton to come along.

13:38

What has become clear over recent

13:40

months, and this has probably always

13:43

been true in Australia, is that

13:45

Trump has never been popular. So

13:47

I think what we've seen

13:49

here is there was echoes

13:51

of Donald Trump in Dutton's

13:53

agenda. and all of

13:55

the parties would be getting research

13:58

that was done through focus groups

14:00

and polling that would show the

14:02

way that the community was responding

14:04

to that. We've almost seen in

14:06

real time the coalition realise that,

14:08

yes, there might have been elements

14:10

of Trump's election victory that were

14:13

good for us, but any association

14:15

with Trump is a negative. And

14:18

Labor, who would also be

14:20

getting research on this front,

14:22

have made very deliberate attempts

14:24

to try and make those

14:26

connections. Now today he threatened

14:28

cuts to school funding, which

14:30

was right from the Doge

14:32

playbook. To the point where

14:35

it has become very damaging.

14:37

This is Dogey Dutton taking

14:39

his cues, his

14:41

instructions and his policies straight

14:43

from the US in a

14:45

way that will make Australians

14:47

worse off. And Dan,

14:49

we saw an example of that

14:51

very thing that you've just described

14:53

at a campaign event in Perth.

14:55

Yeah, so we saw Peter Dutton

14:58

appearing with just Enterprise. We have

15:00

all candidates right around the country

15:02

that I'm so proud to be

15:04

able to stand beside. He appointed

15:06

her to the Government Efficiency portfolio.

15:08

She was the rock star of

15:10

the Voice to Parliament referendum and

15:12

really embodies this sort of Trump -style

15:15

element of the Liberal Party. And

15:17

during the course of her remarks

15:19

to this Liberal event, she used

15:21

the phrase, that we can make

15:23

Australia great again, that we can

15:25

bring Australia back to its former

15:27

glory, that we can get Australia

15:29

back on track. I

15:33

don't have to explain to you

15:35

what that has echoes of. And

15:37

of course, as soon as just

15:39

Enterprise and Peter Dutton faced reporters,

15:42

immediately after that, they were asked about it.

15:44

You said you wanted to make Australia great

15:46

again. Is that an ode to Donald Trump? No,

15:50

if I said that, I don't even realise I said that,

15:52

but no. Just enterprise. Whether she was

15:54

playing dumb or she genuinely forgot, she

15:56

said, I couldn't remember that I said that.

15:58

And just to clarify, it

16:00

is not an ode to Donald

16:03

Trump. The media, you're all obsessed

16:05

with Donald Trump. We're not. We're

16:07

not obsessed with Donald Trump. We're

16:09

actually obsessed with ensuring that we

16:11

can improve the circumstances for Australians.

16:13

But what that moment did is

16:15

it sort of encapsulated this internal

16:17

struggle that the Liberal Party had

16:19

been going. through the coalition have

16:21

been going through where there are

16:24

people like just Enterprise whether she

16:26

meant to say that or not

16:28

who want the party to go

16:30

in this direction. Dutton

16:32

is clearly being advised to walk

16:34

away from it and you

16:36

could see over the course of

16:38

that press conference where just

16:40

Enterprise was peppered with questions and

16:42

she was really in in

16:44

full flight. He had the opportunity

16:46

to sort of to shut

16:48

that press conference down and he

16:50

made a decision in that

16:52

moment to let her go, answer

16:54

questions and show that side

16:56

of her and show that side

16:58

of the party. We'll

17:05

be right back. Hi,

17:16

I'm Barry Cassidy. And I'm Tranny Barry,

17:18

co -host of Guardian Australia's Back to Back

17:20

Berries. It's the final week of the campaign

17:23

and the leaders are doing a final

17:25

dash to Saturday's polls. But is

17:27

it all a bit too late to deliver a

17:29

message that cuts through? We'll be here

17:31

twice this week, Thursday and Sunday, and we want

17:33

to hear from you. What's going to make

17:35

your mind up and what are the big issues that you're observing?

17:37

Let us know. Email us

17:39

at back2backberries at theguardian.com. Dan,

17:47

it was always going to be

17:49

a steep climb for the coalition to

17:51

form minority government. But there was

17:53

a moment earlier this year where that

17:55

seemed possible, or at least that's

17:57

what the polls were suggesting. Tell

17:59

me about, I guess, what

18:01

was happening at that time and

18:03

how that shifted. So I think

18:05

fast forward to now, the way that

18:07

people reflect on those polls, was

18:10

that those polls Not that

18:12

they were wrong, but what they were

18:14

reflecting was not the way that people

18:16

were feeling about Peter Dutton. There wasn't

18:18

some surge in support to Peter

18:20

Dutton. The sense is that there wasn't

18:22

also a massive anger towards Anthony Albanese.

18:24

What those polls were essentially showing was

18:26

it was just gauging the mood of

18:29

the electorate. People were fed up.

18:31

People were feeling the pinch from cost

18:33

of living. So those polls,

18:35

as one source described to

18:37

me, were illusionary. And what we've

18:39

seen as we've got closer

18:41

to the election day is what

18:44

the polling numbers are showing

18:46

is a more accurate description of

18:48

how people feel about Anthony

18:50

Albanese versus Peter Dutton. As people

18:52

have honed in on that

18:55

choice, the polls have

18:57

shifted. And this is certainly

18:59

the view in the Labor side. And they

19:01

were confident all along that this would

19:03

happen when it became a question of the

19:05

choice. the polls would turn

19:07

and turn in their favour. So

19:09

we're now at a situation where

19:11

all of the published polls suggest that

19:13

it's really just a case of

19:15

will it be labour in minority, in

19:17

which case they'll need support of

19:19

the crossbench to form government or labour

19:21

majority. And when you think back

19:23

to what the polls were suggesting only

19:25

a couple of months ago, that

19:27

in and of itself is remarkable. Dan,

19:30

we are now just under a

19:32

week from polling day. Where

19:34

has Peter Dutton focused his

19:37

attention and where has

19:39

he been notably absent? Yeah,

19:41

so just as he

19:43

launched his year with that

19:46

rally in the seat

19:48

of Chisholm in Melbourne on

19:50

Sunday, sort of six

19:52

days out from the election, he

19:54

did another rally this time in

19:56

the seat of Hawke in Melbourne's

19:58

Western suburbs. Again, that's not

20:01

a coincidence. They think that that

20:03

there is an opportunity to pick

20:05

up multiple seats in Victoria, really

20:07

tapping into what they think is

20:09

anger at the Labor brand, principally

20:11

at the Premier, just into Allen.

20:13

So Peter Dutton has spent a

20:15

lot of time in those areas.

20:17

He's made multiple trips to the

20:19

seat of McEwen in Melbourne's out

20:21

of Northern suburbs. He's spent quite

20:23

a lot of time in Western

20:26

Australia where the Liberals think they

20:28

can win three seats, Kurt and

20:30

Tangy and Bullwinkle. He

20:32

spent quite a lot of time

20:34

in Western Sydney. That's where

20:36

he launched the campaign. So there's

20:38

certainly a strategy there in

20:40

terms of trying to win out

20:42

of suburban seats, something that

20:44

Scott Morrison tried in 2022. He

20:46

couldn't pull it off. Peter

20:48

Dutton thinks that's the pathway to

20:50

victory. For the bulk

20:53

of the campaign, he had

20:55

avoided the teal seats, so these

20:57

are the affluent seats in

20:59

Sydney, Melbourne and Perth that the

21:01

Liberals lost in 2022. Traditionally

21:03

strong Liberal voting electorates. Yeah, they

21:05

were the jewels in the

21:07

crown of the Liberal Party. Now,

21:09

he'd spent time in the

21:11

early parts of the campaign in

21:13

Curtin, so that's the seat

21:15

in the western suburbs of Perth,

21:17

but other than that had

21:19

avoided the other TLCs. Now that's

21:21

changed. On Sunday he spent

21:23

time in McKellar, which is held

21:25

by Sophie Scomps. That's a

21:27

seat in Sydney's northern beaches. We

21:30

expect over the course of

21:32

the final days of the

21:34

campaign that he'll spend time

21:36

in other TLCs. So that

21:38

could be Cuyong and Goldstein

21:40

in Melbourne, went

21:42

worth potentially in

21:45

Sydney. So There's

21:47

really, in the last week of the

21:49

campaign, there's only so much time.

21:51

They'll do everything they can to visit

21:53

as much territory as they possibly

21:55

can. But we can draw a lot

21:57

from the places that they choose

22:00

to go in the short period of

22:02

time that they have left. We

22:04

know that polls have been wrong before.

22:06

2019 was a clear example of

22:08

that. Obviously, we don't know

22:10

how Saturday will unfold. What's

22:13

the mood amongst... insiders and

22:15

strategists that you've been speaking to.

22:17

So they're certainly not giving

22:19

up and they wouldn't write like

22:21

it would. This is

22:23

elections are not like a game

22:25

of footy where you put a

22:27

score on the board and we

22:29

can see that as it goes

22:31

on. We're not going to know

22:33

the result until election night, potentially

22:35

days after election night. So the

22:37

coalition insiders that I've been speaking

22:40

to that the research

22:42

that they've been conducting over the

22:44

course of the campaign paints

22:46

a different, far rosier picture of

22:48

the state of play. Now,

22:50

certainly in those marginal

22:53

seats, all of the

22:55

pollsters that you speak to, they

22:57

all say that this election is

22:59

unique because of the very large

23:01

proportion of voters who are yet

23:03

to make up their minds. Now,

23:05

both of the major parties would

23:07

be getting research daily and they

23:09

would see that that number of undecided

23:11

voters is shrinking, but it is

23:14

still large. The hope for

23:16

the coalition is that when those

23:18

undecided voters start tuning in and

23:20

we have compulsory voting in Australia,

23:22

once they ultimately have to cast

23:24

their ballot, that they will give

23:26

their vote to the coalition. So

23:28

that is what's giving them hope

23:30

at this stage. And

23:32

what then comes next

23:35

for the Liberal Party

23:37

and for Opposition Leader Peter

23:39

Dutton if Saturday goes

23:41

the way the polls are

23:43

currently indicating. Yeah, I

23:45

suppose it depends. I mean,

23:47

I'm going to give a boring

23:49

answer and say it all

23:51

depends on what happens on Saturday.

23:53

So let's sort of work

23:55

through the potential scenario. So let's

23:57

say Labor wins in majority. Let's

24:00

say the coalition goes backwards. If

24:03

you consider that outcome relative to where

24:05

the expectation was at the start of

24:07

the year, that would be

24:09

seen as more or less a

24:11

disaster for Peter Dutton. And I

24:13

think he would find it very

24:15

difficult to address his party room

24:18

after the election and say, give

24:20

me another three years. I think

24:22

in all likelihood in that scenario, Peter

24:24

Dutton would step down on the

24:27

opposite end of the spectrum. Let's

24:29

say all the polls are wrong,

24:31

the liberal research is right, Peter

24:33

Dutton wins, of course he

24:35

stays on, he's Prime Minister.

24:38

The interesting, slightly more

24:40

complicated scenario is what

24:42

happens if, let's say,

24:45

Labor gets bumped into

24:47

a minority situation. what

24:49

happens then. So one school of thought

24:51

that MPs on the liberal side are

24:53

preparing for is, if that were to

24:55

happen, yes, it wasn't the outcome that

24:57

they were hoping for, that they thought

24:59

might happen at the start of the

25:01

year, but Labor's going to

25:03

be in minority. We saw

25:05

what happened last time there was a

25:07

minority in terms of the instability and the

25:09

problems that Labor caused for themselves. So

25:11

in that scenario, there's a sense that maybe

25:14

Peter Dutton, when he addresses the party

25:16

room after the election, can say, look

25:18

on the guide to be

25:20

able to kind of tear at

25:22

this instability and give me

25:24

another three years and I can

25:27

use this to leverage an

25:29

election win. So this far out,

25:31

it is really just speculation. A

25:34

waiting game. But I do think that

25:36

if they do have that really bad

25:38

result, I think not only will we

25:40

see a situation where Peter Dutton is

25:42

no longer the leader, but there is

25:44

going to be a very significant reckoning

25:46

within the Liberal Party about What direction

25:48

do we take our party in? Who

25:50

do we stand for? And

25:52

where is our place in

25:54

the electoral landscape of Australia

25:57

going forward? Well,

25:59

Dan, thank you for that very

26:01

comprehensive breakdown of the three potential

26:03

scenarios we might be looking at

26:05

come Saturday. Appreciate your time.

26:07

It's my pleasure. That

26:11

was Guardian Australia political reporter,

26:13

Dan Gervis -Party. You can find

26:15

more of Dan's work on TheGuardian.com

26:18

and we've linked to his

26:20

latest piece on the Liberal Party's

26:22

campaign on the full story

26:24

page. That's it for today.

26:26

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26:28

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26:30

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26:32

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