In this captivating conversation, Deepak Chopra and Matthew Fox challenge our assumptions about reality and embark on a profound exploration of spirituality in the 21st century. Deepak, disillusioned with the limitations of scientific materialism, shares his journey into the "formless" experience of the divine and his newfound embrace of surrender. Matthew, a theologian and author of "Essential Writings on Creation Spirituality," offers a vibrant alternative to traditional Christianity, grounded in nature, wisdom, and compassion.