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me. me Oh, Oh, absolutely. I

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found Jeff sort of

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randomly, I

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of randomly, I guess,

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I started watching YouTube

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videos. and I I

5:11

got hooked. And you bet.

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bet you do Jeff you

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do incredible videos my

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friend. They are awesome

5:20

They are awesome. There's

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a connection. to

5:25

to some of us who have done

5:27

nothing like you've done, But I think for

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many in think for

5:31

many in the audience, you

5:33

we have gone out.

5:36

to find know, a little

5:38

bit into the wild to

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find a there and a couple things will

5:42

You know and we out there

5:44

and a couple things

5:46

will happen also, you know, hiked and have

5:48

several people who have also, you

5:50

know, hiked and various things, but I

5:52

mean, as far as geocachers we will

5:55

will get out and we'll find a

5:57

cash out in the what we

5:59

call call middle of nowhere. and it'll be, you know,

6:01

be, be incredible and you look around,

6:03

you're like. And you look around, I'm

6:05

so glad there's a I'm so

6:07

out here there's a geocash I would

6:09

never have known about

6:11

this area. about this area. And

6:14

just, you know, know, if people

6:16

people have never, and this is the of

6:18

the sad part, and I know some will

6:20

talk about tonight, I is some people just

6:22

don't get out into. which is some

6:24

people just see what's out

6:26

there. And it's incredible. and see what's

6:29

of the things that are out

6:31

in nature in nature that you

6:33

You look back on, you're like,

6:35

man. like, I can't believe these

6:38

things are out there. are

6:40

out there. I mean, it's incredible.

6:43

So how did did what

6:46

sparked you sparked you to do?

6:48

what you do? And I guess kind

6:50

of explain to people. how

6:52

you sort of approach. of

6:55

approach going out into the wild.

6:57

into the wild. Well, Well, been

7:00

I've been doing this for a long

7:02

time. I mean, I've had a YouTube channel

7:04

since mean, I've had a YouTube

7:06

channel since about 2013. really focus

7:08

it thank much on finding back then

7:10

I didn't really focus so much on finding stuff on

7:12

Google Earth. things. finding just like a

7:15

things. of thing. just like a hiking type

7:17

of thing, even though I was still

7:19

doing that. stuff stuff on Google

7:21

Earth and going out and exploring, which

7:23

is the basis of my channel, trying

7:25

to find these channel, trying to find these real

7:27

adventures. So I've been doing this for

7:29

a long time long only recently just kind of took

7:31

off on my channel. kind of took off on my

7:33

channel and and I I think it is, it's all

7:35

about just the getting out. out going to

7:38

a new place, so many of many of these

7:40

places I've never been before. and that's that's what's

7:42

so exciting to me is that it's

7:44

always something new and different. new and different

7:46

yeah and though I do love regular hiking and

7:48

all that stuff. and all that stuff and of

7:50

geocaching, I did find some really

7:52

weird geocaches way out way out the

7:54

middle of nowhere. of nowhere right. I just

7:56

like. like Who put this this

7:58

here? This is crazy. that was awesome to see

8:00

see was was opening up as a little a

8:02

box box and I had like some people's

8:04

names from like a couple years ago I

8:06

was like this is so cool. So a

8:09

couple years a was like this didn't

8:11

you? You did. so the point is a lonely cash

8:13

didn't you did yeah I I really felt like,

8:15

wow, this is this is really special my

8:17

the middle of nowhere. really far, I

8:19

mean, it took me hours to get

8:21

there, hours hikes. Yeah. now in the

8:23

You live on. of nowhere like so

8:25

far I cool. took me hours

8:27

to get So hikes yeah so

8:29

Like you said you've done kind

8:32

of both. done kind

8:34

of both. you'll I've seen

8:36

where you'll that's like. What

8:38

is that's weird. have the, the, is

8:40

that? Google have the like,

8:43

okay, I have no idea kind

8:45

of like. is. And those are

8:47

I have no idea what this is. And

8:49

those are fun. I love those. And you

8:51

go out there and you're like, okay. oh, okay.

8:53

of them are really bizarre. of them

8:55

are really bizarre on a you see them on

8:57

a satellite video and you're like... like. What

8:59

What the heck is this and

9:01

then then others, you know, know that sort

9:03

of I guess I guess they

9:06

fall in kind of one of the

9:08

many categories, but another category

9:10

you'll see is categories, but

9:12

another category okay, that's see is

9:14

You can tell it's got 90

9:16

degrees. You know that it's

9:18

hot, but you're like. man made. You

9:20

can tell it's got you know,

9:22

why is this thing

9:24

out here? is this thing out

9:26

here? So. I guess both guess both

9:29

of those sort of give you They'll

9:31

give you inspiration. The bizarre and also

9:33

the and also the call it. I

9:35

guess we would call it. amazed

9:38

at how always amazed at

9:40

how things are out there. But then yet

9:42

again, I'm some of these things are out

9:44

there. are But then yet again, I'm

9:46

not because these are near water sources, is

9:48

near makes sense, like maybe this is near

9:50

water source, then maybe someone thought, hey,

9:53

this is going to be a long

9:55

a long term. Area for me to live

9:57

to stay to to visit or or something a

9:59

a dependable water source. But yeah, there's

10:01

definitely I love that there's definitely, I

10:03

I love that mix of, I wanna see

10:05

what this is and I hope it's

10:07

ancient right. you're right, there are some stuff

10:09

where it's a 90 degree angle or a

10:11

perfect circle in the sand sand and you're

10:13

somebody put that there. put that it

10:15

Was it anciently? you know, modern. know,

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And so so I love that two aspects of,

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those two aspects of what I do is.

10:22

do is I love the I love the ancient world,

10:24

just so interesting and and oh yeah. And it's just, there's

10:26

always just so much to learn. I'm

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learning all the time, I don't know anything.

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but I'm just but I'm just learning and reading and

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people's comments are so fun to read when know what this is

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So, um, we're not going to

11:43

reveal we're not any. to reveal

11:46

obviously any place, any

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coordinates coordinates. But

11:50

what what states do you do

11:53

you like to go? the

11:55

into of out into the are What

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are your favorite? places statewide?

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Oh, you know, I like you

12:01

know, corner states. the has

12:03

a lot of really cool stuff. Oh,

12:05

cool. Even Nevada has a lot of

12:07

really cool stuff. Oh, cool. the

12:10

even California of California,

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there. the desert side of

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california down there most of the that

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corner states because the Four kind that's

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kind of the history that... grew up

12:21

I grew up with from from

12:23

Northern Utah so I've heard about about. you

12:25

know, the Navajo, the Utes, the ancestral

12:29

these are always just kind of are They're always in

12:31

my mind, you know, the growing up. So this

12:33

area has always been just really just a favorite

12:35

area for me. growing up. So this

12:37

area has lives in Oregon really

12:39

just the coast, area but for me.

12:41

parents live in Utah, right?

12:44

on I saw you were from but your

12:46

My parents live on the edge of

12:48

Caysville you were so. Caseville. My parents

12:50

who they are. the edge

12:53

of Caseville and Leighton, so. Oh, yeah.

12:55

From your times, Emily, going there

12:57

and finding cashes around where

12:59

your mom and dad dad

13:01

are, do you, what's your experience as far as

13:03

what's your Because far as getting

13:05

out because it's a whole different

13:07

world different It is a whole different

13:09

world. I'll tell you what, Utah is

13:11

a whole other world from Southern Utah. And

13:13

I would love to explore Southern much,

13:15

much more. more. So yeah, generally when generally,

13:18

when I'm visiting, we're staying north of

13:20

Salt Lake City. Lake City. So different,

13:22

yeah. Yeah, so definitely different.

13:24

Yeah. yeah. Like, like to me

13:26

my experience with Arizona is

13:28

the part is different different than

13:30

the part up by Grand Canyon's different

13:32

experiences, so. And somebody mentioned in

13:34

the chat room, in the chat gotta

13:36

find it, got to find it. But so

13:39

about the toilet that this, the

13:41

toilet, the two the box. people

13:43

are toilet and a box. are

13:45

in the world is box.

13:48

about? Yeah, tell us more. talking

13:50

my gosh. Yeah, Yeah, that

13:52

was recent. more. Yeah, you released

13:54

it recently, I should

13:56

say. Yeah. recently, I should say.

13:58

Yeah, earlier, yesterday, yeah. So what happened

14:00

was it was a, the video from last week

14:02

where I was finding something that looked

14:05

like a square that looked like a I

14:07

get out there, and so I see

14:09

the square, which is this the square, of

14:11

course. this ruin, of And I'm like, what, what this

14:13

doing here? so I And my drone

14:15

up this what is this doing here? canyon, and I

14:17

saw this big wooden box in this

14:19

cave. this And so I

14:21

was like, well, this has already been like a

14:23

20, 30 minute video. cave. And so I gonna make

14:25

this into two videos because I know what's down

14:28

there. might be another like, like, three four hours of me

14:30

hiking down there. hiking down just I'll just I

14:32

here have a cliffhanger go down

14:34

there just go down there and there's

14:36

this massive box in Anyway, so this

14:38

cave there and was thinking this massive

14:40

box in the, in is and I was

14:42

inside of it? like, like, is this,

14:45

what is, what is I open it up

14:47

and there's a toilet seat inside of it? the box.

14:49

I opened it up and there's

14:51

a toilet seat inside of the box.

14:53

say real quick said, I'm sorry, I clear

14:55

that it's not, it was just

14:58

put in there. there just put it like

15:00

like wasn't meant to to be wasn't like

15:02

it's in there permanently, I guess is the

15:04

way to put it. I guess is the way to put

15:06

cave. I'm out there, out there oh go ahead

15:08

ahead Go ahead. go just preserved in a cave,

15:10

right? right yeah. I mean it's funny mean, it's

15:12

funny because when I get out there, I have tunnel vision.

15:14

When I see something, I'm like, oh, that's what it is.

15:16

what it then I have to like I have a break

15:18

for a second, be like, for this isn't a

15:20

toilet. like okay this isn't is going on

15:23

here? going on here like so so kind of

15:25

the... of the the The tricky part of filming is

15:27

because I'm just like, this is a toilet. I came

15:29

all the way out here for a stupid toilet. all the way

15:31

out here for a well, yeah, Oh then

15:33

I'm like wait a second. This I'm

15:35

like What's happening here? You know,

15:37

so that's that's what happened Uh

15:39

my video know so that's it really the

15:41

toilet my story that makes it

15:43

all worthwhile? it really the toilet in right. that makes

15:45

it all worthwhile yeah right it yeah made it

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work it you made it work my friend it

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work the other fun work still fun Yeah an adventure

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yeah yeah And I got I got got got

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your pictures will show here in

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a moment. I didn't want to

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The the money will eventually

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get into some of the, and I

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got your, your your uh, photos and some

17:55

of that I want to get into,

17:57

but, um, I want to go back

17:59

a moment to. some of your prep

18:01

because you've got to me you've

18:03

really got good prep work and

18:05

I know I'm sure there have

18:07

been times when you've been out

18:09

and you're like I wish out

18:11

of prep better yeah of course

18:14

but I think you're you're the

18:16

prep that you go through so

18:18

kind of tell people a little

18:20

bit about the modes that you've

18:22

you set up for your video

18:24

so you've got you got your

18:26

vehicle that you can take to

18:28

a point. And then you've got,

18:30

is it an e-bike that you

18:33

usually take or is that more

18:35

recent that you've been using that?

18:37

I've had that for I think

18:39

about a year now. Okay. Yeah.

18:41

That seems to get you, you

18:43

know, some of the way and

18:45

then of course you you hike

18:47

the rest, but how is the

18:50

e-bike helped with some of your

18:52

planning and getting to certain spots?

18:54

Yeah, so a lot of the

18:56

places that I like to go

18:58

to usually have. Well, I mean,

19:00

they'll start off with a vehicle,

19:02

you know, they'll get there and

19:04

then they'll probably be like some

19:06

terrible jeep road or old truck

19:09

road or something. And it's like,

19:11

do I really want to hike

19:13

10 miles on that? Lose all

19:15

my energy and light and time

19:17

and then hike the remaining three

19:19

or four or five or 10

19:21

miles. So it's like that you

19:23

buy can save me all that

19:25

time. Yeah. So so I kind

19:28

of use a combination of, of

19:30

course, hiking too. Yeah. But that's,

19:32

yeah, I always bring all that,

19:34

you know, of course, e-bike, car.

19:36

So everything just kind of combined

19:38

to make this so flexible for

19:40

me. Right. And then we mentioned,

19:42

we're talking about Andrew's here, is

19:44

the drone. I love the drone

19:47

footage because there are times when,

19:49

I mean, it really helps the

19:51

experience from a viewer's perspective, and

19:53

I know you probably had. Hopefully

19:55

comments to the positive. It's great.

19:57

I love the drone footage because

19:59

it probably helps you as well

20:01

because you can go. Do I

20:03

want to go up to that

20:06

spot? Do I want to take

20:08

the time to get up there

20:10

or is it worth it? You

20:12

can fly the drone up there

20:14

and sort of get an assessment.

20:16

Exactly. And that has saved me

20:18

so much time. Exactly. And that

20:20

has saved me so much time.

20:22

And I don't post this or

20:25

show this because I just don't.

20:27

But there's many times where I

20:29

got out there. I'm like, I

20:31

know there's something. And I know

20:33

there's something. And I know there's

20:35

something. Okay, now I can go

20:37

on to the next thing. So

20:39

it really is a time saver

20:41

too. So, and I want to

20:44

show some of these, so kind

20:46

of walk me through some of

20:48

these, these pictures, Jeff. So this

20:50

is one of them, this that

20:52

you walked up to. Now, I've

20:54

seen these, but again, I want

20:56

you to kind of source, tell

20:58

the story as is. And again,

21:01

we have audio listeners too, so

21:03

we'll have to kind of paint

21:05

the picture for folks. But what

21:07

is, what are we looking at

21:09

here? Yeah, so if you're a

21:11

long time watcher of my channel,

21:13

you know that I love these

21:15

hand and carved footsteps that are

21:17

that are anciently made. Right. So

21:20

this is what we're watching here.

21:22

This isn't something that I've shown

21:24

on my channel yet. This is

21:26

something, something new. Exclusive. Yeah, exclusive.

21:28

Nice. I've shown some patron friends

21:30

but my main channel has not

21:32

seen this. I love this stuff

21:34

because the ancients were excellent rock

21:36

climbers. They were in, you know,

21:39

so smart they, they saw an

21:41

obstacle and literally walked over it.

21:43

And when I see these steps,

21:45

I can see, I can see

21:47

someone a thousand years ago saying,

21:49

you know, I put my hand

21:51

there, I put my foot there,

21:53

I climbed right up this exact

21:55

path. Whereas, you know, other ancient

21:58

sites were like, hey, you know,

22:00

we know people were here, they're

22:02

walking around and stuff, but to

22:04

see this right here and to

22:06

see. see a visually, I know

22:08

that people were climbing up this

22:10

exact route and I was right

22:12

below it. So that's why I

22:14

love seeing these things is that

22:17

it just for me I feel

22:19

the connection to these people that

22:21

they were their feet were right

22:23

here their hands were right here

22:25

and that they saw an obstacle

22:27

and they said hey we're gonna

22:29

just carve a trail in the

22:31

mountain above this thing which is

22:33

I think this thing a lot

22:36

of the steps have faded away

22:38

so you can only climb a

22:40

little bit but it I mean

22:42

it goes up 200 feet. That's

22:44

incredible. Yeah, I've seen where you

22:46

have had like drone footage and

22:48

you will show drone footage of

22:50

a petroglyph. And then you'll show

22:52

it from where you're standing. It's

22:55

like, how in the heck did

22:57

somebody get up there to carve

22:59

a petroglyph? It's like, you know,

23:01

we joke about, but I mean,

23:03

it's like. They had to be

23:05

some incredible climbers to get to

23:07

a point. You're looking around going,

23:09

I mean, this thing's like, you

23:12

know, 100 feet off the ground?

23:14

I mean, how did they get

23:16

up there? Yeah, yeah, I love

23:18

that stuff. The mystery, yeah. So

23:20

here's another interesting shot. This one

23:22

right here. Oh, wow. So I

23:24

like this one because I don't

23:26

know what it means. I mean,

23:28

we don't know what any of

23:31

these mean. right in the context

23:33

of the time you know anything

23:35

but i just love how it

23:37

means it means something to someone

23:39

who is long gone and and

23:41

maybe you know we can always

23:43

surmise whatever this means but i

23:45

just love you know it's not

23:47

really spectacular it's just kind of

23:50

some squiggly lines and like a

23:52

shape that goes around what i

23:54

think is a lot for some

23:56

yeah yeah but for some reason

23:58

i just i just i just

24:00

love rock car i i mean

24:02

i'm always thinking what they mean

24:04

but i never will know what

24:06

they mean And just seeing this

24:09

where we have absolutely no idea

24:11

is just I just I just.

24:13

love this stuff. Oh, I think

24:15

people don't realize that there is

24:17

a lot of petroglyphs out there.

24:19

I mean, you have found some

24:21

incredible, you know, and it's sad

24:23

when you find where somebody else

24:25

found it and messed with it,

24:28

which I hate. Yeah. But once

24:30

in a while, you'll, many times

24:32

you'll find sort of pristine. out

24:34

in the middle of nowhere, spot

24:36

where you'll find, you know, the

24:38

rock art. And yeah, it's sad

24:40

that it's like nobody left to

24:42

just a explanation as to what

24:44

the item is. I mean, an

24:47

animal is an animal, but what

24:49

did the animal, like you said,

24:51

what does the animal mean to

24:53

them? Was it something they... You

24:55

know, why did you know the

24:57

wise are not there? Why did

24:59

they take the time to? To

25:01

carve an antelope or whatever they

25:03

found? You know, why is the

25:06

dude have, you know, you know,

25:08

big head, you know, is there

25:10

some, you know, is there some,

25:12

you know, something else going on

25:14

or, you know, you find these,

25:16

you know, what is he just,

25:18

there's no explanations, but they are,

25:20

they are fascinating, like you said,

25:23

just to find those. with any

25:25

of these these are incredible fines

25:27

but I mean certainly we want

25:29

to be respectful of the environment

25:31

and these to help maintain them

25:33

yeah and you know that's I

25:35

think the thing is like you

25:37

know it's just amazing when you

25:39

find something like that and it's

25:42

incredible like sharing those experiences with

25:44

others like on there yeah and

25:46

I think Jeff I mean just

25:48

kind of like curiosity I know

25:50

you probably talked about a little

25:52

bit but just you talked about

25:54

some key areas but I mean

25:56

just still kind of like walk

25:58

through your thought process of like

26:01

and I think you know Gary

26:03

did a good job of like

26:05

us as geocashers a lot of

26:07

times we're looking at satellite maps

26:09

ourselves yeah and we're finding some

26:11

cool things along the way too

26:13

so I mean what you're doing

26:15

I think is really awesome for

26:17

geocashers because like we all have

26:20

that thought of like what if

26:22

we went and checked out that

26:24

other thing that's not a cash

26:26

yeah it looks pretty cool yeah

26:28

you know I think for us

26:30

because of geocashes nearby we're like

26:32

we're like focused on those geocas

26:34

yeah we want to get our

26:36

we want to get a log

26:39

and get on the get on

26:41

the get on the trail whereas

26:43

Jeff wanted to yeah I think

26:45

answers for us geocashers like what

26:47

if we didn't find a look

26:49

a look at that But I

26:51

mean for you and what you're

26:53

taking a look at, like you've

26:55

talked about those key areas, but

26:58

are there like certain things you're

27:00

looking for or what's kind of

27:02

yielding you to certain areas versus

27:04

others? Yeah, um, honestly, it's just

27:06

a it's just a hunch. And

27:08

I mean, there's been so many

27:10

hours where I've spent and I

27:12

found nothing that looked interesting that

27:15

looked worthwhile and I'm like, I

27:17

just wasted all this time, but

27:19

I mean, I really wasted, but.

27:21

It's like I just spent all

27:23

that time and I didn't find

27:25

anything that looked worthwhile at all,

27:27

but this canyon looked really cool.

27:29

Or, you know, there's a new

27:31

place in Arizona that I found

27:34

and I'm like, I want to

27:36

go there because I don't know

27:38

what's there and it still looked

27:40

interesting to me. So it's really

27:42

just a combination of just my

27:44

own curiosity. A lot of time,

27:46

just the general area of where

27:48

these ancient people used to live

27:50

and their descendants lived today. So

27:53

that's that's that's it just it

27:55

really just takes a lot of

27:57

time I remember during the COVID

27:59

lockdowns I know we want to

28:01

talk about that there I still

28:03

had to come into work my

28:05

my boss was like we still

28:07

have to come into work and

28:09

you can watch YouTube videos and

28:12

stuff and I was like well

28:14

I'm gonna just you know do

28:16

what I like to do I'm

28:18

gonna pretend I'm hiking on Google

28:20

Earth and so that's where I

28:22

just spent hours and hours and

28:24

hours and hours at work Just

28:26

trying to find stuff, but it

28:28

really is just a matter of

28:31

time and curiosity. A couple things

28:33

I want to mention and something

28:35

that I'm going to put also

28:37

in the show notes, Jeff, which

28:39

I forgot to do, but I'm

28:41

making myself a note to do

28:43

it, which is you have a

28:45

incredible, we'll call it 10 commandments

28:47

for any, for lack of a

28:50

better term, there's probably a better

28:52

term for it out there, but

28:54

John, what you were talking about,

28:56

but Jeff's got an incredibly good

28:58

set of. guidelines that we all

29:00

need to follow in something I

29:02

really appreciate when you run into

29:04

these these situations and I want

29:06

to jump I'm gonna jump down

29:09

to another picture Jeff which is

29:11

when you find things when any

29:13

of us find things there's there's

29:15

really an etiquette and a protocol

29:17

that we should follow. And so

29:19

I'm gonna use one of your

29:21

pictures in an example. So if

29:23

any of us are out in

29:26

nature and we find this, what

29:28

is our approach? And what I'm

29:30

showing is a piece of pottery.

29:32

So I guess talk about the

29:34

piece of pottery and then kind

29:36

of let people know, because I've

29:38

watched the videos, I kind of

29:40

know, but what is the... the

29:42

proper approach to this And we

29:45

saw this piece of pottery and

29:47

it's pretty big. It's really about

29:49

five inches long. Wow. And it

29:51

was just in this crevice and

29:53

it was just left there and

29:55

that gave us so much joy

29:57

to find that. Like, even think

29:59

about now, it just makes me

30:01

excited. It's like, that was so

30:04

much fun to experience that together.

30:06

And imagine if somebody took that,

30:08

like, we would ever have known.

30:10

Like, yeah. And so my thing

30:12

is, talk about that respect, leave

30:14

it there. It's not our history.

30:16

It's not like my history, our

30:18

history. It's someone else's creation. And

30:20

yeah, I want other people to

30:23

have that joy of that discovery,

30:25

too. see a broken piece of

30:27

pottery at the ground or an

30:29

arrowhead or something and they're like

30:31

this is so cool and then

30:33

they leave it they admire it

30:35

leave it yeah and the next

30:37

person can discover it rediscover it

30:39

for themselves and yeah and have

30:42

that same feeling of joy and

30:44

an excitement that that we did

30:46

but but really you're not supposed

30:48

to like if you see a

30:50

bunch of pottery you're not supposed

30:52

to pile them and and make

30:54

them in big old piles you're

30:56

supposed to just leave them where

30:58

they're at where they're at right

31:01

right. I used to pick them

31:03

up, but I rarely do that

31:05

now. I don't even like picking

31:07

them up anymore. Even though sometimes

31:09

I do just to look around

31:11

to see if it's... Get a

31:13

photograph. Yeah, I get a photograph

31:15

or like, is this a pottery?

31:17

Oh, wow, this is a piece

31:20

of pottery. Oops. Yeah, put it

31:22

back. But leave it for others

31:24

to see. And also for archeologists,

31:26

mainly because if they come through,

31:28

they can understand the context of

31:30

where these pieces are, what style

31:32

it is and where it is

31:34

and where it came from. But

31:37

really, the ultimate goal is just

31:39

to leave it, leave it there.

31:41

Yeah, that's our recommendation for anyone

31:43

listening that's not a geocacher that's

31:45

along for the, if you find

31:47

a geocash, sign the log and

31:49

put it back. Oh, there you

31:51

go. Leave no trace. Look at

31:53

it, take pictures, but don't take

31:56

it. Yeah. It's not yours. It's

31:58

like the geocash. It ain't yours.

32:00

Absolutely. And that's the thing even,

32:02

like I've learned working on trails

32:04

sometimes. You do works on land.

32:06

It is. And you have to

32:08

actually submit things for archaeological review.

32:10

Because there's databases that people know

32:12

of all these sites that they

32:15

don't want to make public because

32:17

they don't want people disturbing them.

32:19

Yeah. So then we're stumbling upon

32:21

things like that. Yeah, 100% Jeff,

32:23

like recall and right way to

32:25

do it because I mean you

32:27

don't want to disturb these archaeological

32:29

sites that may be known or

32:31

not known by others. Yeah, exactly.

32:34

Yep. Have you ever found anything

32:36

that was... needed to be reported

32:38

because it was that interesting or

32:40

big of a thing? Yeah, I

32:42

mean, I recently found what I

32:44

think is half of a bowl.

32:46

That's a lot. Yeah, I mean,

32:48

it's the biggest piece I've ever

32:50

seen. Yeah, and I reported it,

32:53

but nothing really happened. And I

32:55

think it's just because if it's

32:57

not like a full piece, a

32:59

full example, I'm not really sure,

33:01

but I did report it and

33:03

I heard nothing back, but. Yeah,

33:05

I mean I find broken pieces

33:07

all over the place, pretty much

33:09

every visit somewhere. Wow, that's really

33:12

neat. Yeah, I remember a long

33:14

time ago when my mom and

33:16

I visited South Eastern Utah, we

33:18

went to a kind of a

33:20

popular place now, but back then

33:22

it wasn't super popular. And we

33:24

found pieces of rope, a thousand

33:26

years old, pieces of rope, just

33:28

all over the ground. And we're

33:31

just like, this is so crazy.

33:33

And then we went back later.

33:35

years later, probably about four or

33:37

five years later, and all that

33:39

stuff was taken. It was gone.

33:41

And I wanted to show my

33:43

wife and our kids, and I'm

33:45

like, well, all that stuff's gone.

33:48

So it was really disappointing. Don't

33:50

see, you know, that stuff. Yeah.

33:52

No. Speaking of finding things, and

33:54

I want to switch gears a

33:56

little bit, because usually, so I

33:58

want to hear this story. I

34:00

think everybody else wants to hear

34:02

it too. Normally you get out

34:04

there Jeff and there's... tranquil it's

34:07

quiet all you hear is nature

34:09

and you're out of the spot

34:11

one time like that and all

34:13

of a sudden an explosion goes

34:15

off yeah yeah so tell everybody

34:17

about yeah I'm in nature I'm

34:19

thinking everything's fine and then I

34:21

saw all of a sudden the

34:23

dynamite goes off yeah yeah that

34:26

was honestly that was really scary

34:28

really funny and interesting. Yeah, that

34:30

happened a couple years ago where

34:32

I found these like cars or

34:34

what I thought were cars on

34:36

Google Earth and I wanted to

34:38

go out there and I knew

34:40

it was going to be a

34:42

mine. Right. I knew I could

34:45

check other maps to see like

34:47

there is mines out there, but

34:49

this one, it was just like,

34:51

what is all this stuff doing

34:53

here like these cars? And so

34:55

I go out there and I

34:57

start hiking up to where I

34:59

think the main entrance. the whatever's

35:01

called the patio of the mine.

35:04

Yeah. And I stopped for a

35:06

second. I have my camera and

35:08

all of a sudden I hear

35:10

this faint like three two one

35:12

and this massive explosion happened. And

35:14

I feel honestly that I was

35:16

lucky or blessed because if I

35:18

was higher up, like I probably

35:20

would have been, you know, right

35:23

by that. But because I was

35:25

hiking up this one way kind

35:27

of circling around, I was below

35:29

where the explosion happened. And like

35:31

what happened was people were up

35:33

there just blowing up stuff and

35:35

I mean it really like it

35:37

scared me so bad that I

35:39

was like falling to the ground

35:42

and like stumbling and stuff. Right.

35:44

And it was so scary because

35:46

I mean I'm in the middle

35:48

of nowhere. Yeah. These guys whoever

35:50

they are blowing up stuff and

35:52

and so I like book it

35:54

you know I'm like screaming yelling

35:56

and I go down in my

35:59

car and when I get down

36:01

there this other like three two

36:03

two one and this little smaller

36:05

explosion happened. I don't know if

36:07

they found dynamite in the mine

36:09

or they brought dynamite or... shooting

36:11

stuff but that that's why I

36:13

was pretty shaken up that day

36:15

I drove all the way home

36:18

right which is like eight hours

36:20

but I think that's one of

36:22

the reasons where I'm like I

36:24

need a satellite messenger so that's

36:26

John's got one just because he

36:28

tends to fall down and hurt

36:30

himself all the time. Oh, come

36:32

on, Gary. Not all the time.

36:34

Not all the time. I almost

36:37

fell into a sinkhole either. But

36:39

he does carry one. What do

36:41

you got? What's the brand you

36:43

got there? Government Reach Messenger. I've

36:45

had for years and love it.

36:47

Use it all the time and

36:49

great investment. And for anybody going

36:51

out solo. I definitely encourage you

36:53

to have one. on that side.

36:56

And on a separate note, we're

36:58

getting close to 6,000. So $5,

37:00

1918.24. If you haven't donated yet

37:02

for this hour, please do so

37:04

or if you want to make

37:06

a donation just in general. But

37:08

yeah, help us get over that

37:10

6,000 mark because that's our close

37:12

milestone right now that we want

37:15

to get to to work further

37:17

towards our goal. Yeah. It's just

37:19

some of our friends, John, in

37:21

the chat room were like, tell

37:23

us, what was it, when Neil

37:25

said, tell us about the time

37:27

he booed your pants and then

37:29

Darwulf says without telling us that

37:31

you did. So that was it.

37:34

I mean, that's an incredible story.

37:36

And then you went back. And

37:38

then you went back. The only

37:40

reason I went back is because

37:42

I figured out a trail that

37:44

I could go starting up top

37:46

where I can see what you're

37:48

in. Not hike up, but hike

37:50

level. How in the world, because

37:53

when you got out there, it

37:55

looks like it looks like. I

37:57

mean, how did they get those?

37:59

I mean, obviously somebody drove them

38:01

out there, but I'm thinking, how

38:03

did these cars get out in

38:05

the middle of nowhere? I mean,

38:07

were they the miners and they

38:10

just left them? I don't know

38:12

if they broke down. You got

38:14

a whole, yeah, you got a

38:16

whole Carmax out there's like five

38:18

or six of them. Yeah, old

38:20

vehicles that, I mean. Insane. Insane.

38:22

Things like that, have you found

38:24

anything else out in the middle

38:26

of nowhere that you're like, what

38:29

the heck is this and how

38:31

did it get out here? I

38:33

mean, everything, yeah, I'm always like,

38:35

what is it how this got

38:37

out here, but I mean, trying

38:39

to think. I will tell you

38:41

this, that there was one time

38:43

though, and I haven't made a

38:45

video on this yet because I

38:48

want to go out there and

38:50

reshute the video because the audio

38:52

is so terrible. Right. Well, my

38:54

wife and I went hiking to

38:56

this place, and it was so

38:58

windy that I kept hearing voices,

39:00

and we were so far out

39:02

there, and I was like, Annie,

39:04

this is so dumb, like, we're

39:07

hearing people talking, and we were

39:09

in the middle of nowhere, like,

39:11

let's just get out here, like,

39:13

like, like, who are these people,

39:15

like, who are these people, like,

39:17

like, who are these people, like,

39:19

who are these people, I swear

39:21

I kept hearing voices and voices

39:23

and I'm like, this is so

39:26

stupid. So that's not me really

39:28

finding something surprised, but I was

39:30

just like, here we are in

39:32

the middle of nowhere and there's

39:34

people talking and I'm getting upset

39:36

that we drove all this way

39:38

and there's somebody out here, but

39:40

there's no one out there. So

39:42

I tell you though, it's funny

39:45

how Wincuri sound, like I remember

39:47

working at Woodstock 99 on the

39:49

base at the base at the

39:51

time and there was like times

39:53

at times where you could not

39:55

hearing in the other direction. Wow.

39:57

Interesting. And like the direction towards

39:59

you, you could hear everything as

40:01

crystal as can be. Yeah, maybe

40:04

something like that. Yeah. Yeah. How

40:06

the wind will carry sound like

40:08

that. Right, but you can't see

40:10

anything, you know, how do you

40:12

assess your situation? That does sound

40:14

crazy. So, I was, I think

40:16

he's, he wasn't available, but I

40:18

was, I was, would cool to,

40:21

we'd had Charles, Charles, one of

40:23

our podcasters, he works for the

40:25

Bureau of Land Management, but as

40:27

far as the experience, or the

40:29

experience, your preparation for

40:31

going out. Obviously you're checking

40:33

for, because people want to,

40:35

you know, people need to

40:37

know that you always do

40:39

your due diligence, but like,

40:41

is it on private land?

40:43

Is it part of, because

40:45

laws are different? I mean,

40:47

you're kind of out, you

40:49

know, you live in an

40:51

area that's, you know, Typically,

40:53

is it, is it BLM

40:55

land or is it, what

40:57

are, because we run into

41:00

the same, we run into

41:02

situations in our world, Jeff,

41:04

of geocashing that, you know,

41:06

I can hide stuff in

41:08

certain areas that John can't

41:10

do or John can hide

41:12

them in areas with, you

41:14

know, he's got forest land

41:16

that he can hide in

41:18

that I can't hide in.

41:20

So some of your, you're

41:22

obviously having to check. How

41:24

I get there, what am

41:26

I crossing? I mean, what

41:28

are some of the things

41:30

that you do protocol wise

41:32

to prepare? Yeah, that's a

41:34

good question. So make sure

41:36

I'm not in private property.

41:38

Make sure I'm not in

41:40

the Navajo reservation. Make sure

41:42

I'm only on public areas

41:44

or if I'm going on

41:46

to private land that I

41:48

contact the landowner and get

41:50

permission. Preferably written permission. Yeah,

41:52

really it'd be nice, right?

41:54

Yeah, but Yeah, I try

41:56

to avoid areas that are

41:59

going to cause problems. I

42:01

used to try to get

42:03

permits on the Navajo reservation

42:05

and they're really tight about

42:07

visiting archaeological sites. Oh, right.

42:09

So I just don't even

42:11

want to go there. Right.

42:13

Well, because I can't. And

42:15

also because it's just, yeah,

42:17

there's so much outside of

42:19

that that we can see

42:21

already. So. Yeah. you have

42:23

more experience but when you're

42:25

looking at situations and I

42:27

know it even when you

42:29

prep you get out there

42:31

and I really appreciate the

42:33

way you approach some you

42:35

know you give us sort

42:37

of the whole below by

42:39

below in your videos but

42:41

there's times when you get

42:43

out you know a couple

42:45

times in some of your

42:47

recent videos where you get

42:49

out there and you're like

42:52

I'm not going to try this.

42:54

You know, I'm not, I can't

42:57

go down this, you know, you

42:59

know, this is too dangerous of

43:01

a descent. So you're looking for,

43:03

you know, you, you, it's kind

43:05

of, from a viewer perspective, I

43:07

really appreciate the puzzle, because the

43:09

lot of their puzzles, you're trying

43:11

to figure out, where can I

43:14

go, how do I get to

43:16

the spot, you know, and so

43:18

you've got a sort of. work

43:20

out the puzzle of how do I

43:23

get here? Yeah, yeah, that's exactly right.

43:25

It's a puzzle and I Think at

43:27

the back of my mind. I've been

43:29

enough situations where I Don't want to

43:31

put my life at risk. It's not

43:33

worth it right and I have a

43:36

certain threshold that I'm like if I

43:38

hit this threshold then I stop Yeah,

43:40

and wait for my adrenaline to stop

43:42

and I'm actually gonna make a video

43:44

and post it soon where I had

43:46

to kind of rock climb a little

43:49

bit and I was like so excited

43:51

I once I climbed up here I

43:53

was so excited to you know keep

43:55

going and I'm like wait a second

43:57

I gotta stop here and kind of

43:59

analyze this really logically, not just like,

44:01

oh, just like oh I want to do this because it's

44:04

really fun but I need to look at this more logically

44:06

to look at this kind of have this little area

44:08

that kind of have I get in, then I don't

44:10

do it. I, if I And I know then I people

44:12

get disappointed, but. I know some I'm a

44:14

real person. I have a family I

44:16

have a family, I to come back home I

44:18

want I'll be back something else. You

44:20

know, if this one doesn't work out

44:22

or I'll just use the drone. doesn't

44:24

work out doesn't work out think, especially

44:26

when it comes to ancient. or I'll just

44:28

use the drone. It's best not

44:31

It's best not to just climb through

44:33

everything. And I see other channels channels

44:35

you know, stomping over ruins and stuff. And I'm

44:37

just like, we don't need to do that. We

44:39

don't need to hike through every cave we know. need

44:42

through every ancient door. In fact, we shouldn't

44:44

do that stuff. cave and all, learned

44:46

along the way too, I'm not perfect,

44:48

but. I'm learning that, like

44:50

I said before, less is best And

44:52

I've drone is best for these

44:54

types of situations. know, I'm not perfect,

44:56

mean, I'm drone is such a great tool

44:58

because there are, you find

45:00

some cool things that. that there

45:03

are no is no way

45:05

to get there. there. I

45:07

without serious mountain climbing

45:09

gear climbing gear or, you know,

45:11

you know, even that sometimes

45:13

is, you know, not,

45:15

not possible. Um, we

45:17

had, um, Heather Anderson was

45:20

our first guest tonight.

45:22

Um, and she's a through

45:24

hiker. She hikes, um, done

45:26

the the coast trail and,

45:28

and, and three times And

45:31

uh, and the... the, um, Kind

45:34

of the Vide Trail. Thank

45:36

you. Thanks, Emily. Thank

45:38

you. she's run into

45:40

wildlife. Have you had any

45:43

have you had any wildlife

45:45

encounters out in the

45:47

in the wild? you been

45:49

fortunate not than bugs and and

45:52

insects you run into anything

45:54

large? large? I'm always always

45:56

surprised at how little wildlife,

45:58

large wildlife are run into. That's

46:01

good. The biggest stuff is usually,

46:03

I mean, the biggest, I mean,

46:05

I ran into bears in Denality

46:07

when I was in my car.

46:09

Right. Nothing out in the wild

46:12

where I'm like, oh, there's mountain

46:14

lion. I see their tracks all

46:16

the time, the deer, the mountain

46:18

lions, the foxes, you know. But

46:20

I haven't really ran in anything

46:23

and I know, I know a

46:25

lot of people comment on my

46:27

videos, like, what about snakes? You're

46:29

running snakes. Yeah, that's good. That's

46:31

good. I made a deal with

46:33

them a long time ago, I

46:36

guess. So, yeah. Have you got

46:38

a, I don't know, you got,

46:40

you, well, we have bloggers and

46:42

we just had a blog around

46:44

last hour, but I mean, vlogging

46:47

is different. The three of us

46:49

do podcasts, so I guess it's

46:51

sort of like, I look at.

46:53

podcast for us is sort of

46:55

like the newspaper. You put one

46:58

out, it's done, you move on.

47:00

You don't have to, we just,

47:02

you know, it records on YouTube

47:04

and we're done and we walk

47:06

away from it and we think

47:09

about the next one. But when

47:11

you're vlogging, you're not only trying

47:13

to tell the story and obviously

47:15

you're trying to capture all that

47:17

information, which is incredible. Then you

47:20

got to turn around, bring it

47:22

home. Edit it, which is not

47:24

easy. I know because you're trying

47:26

to you can't just sort of

47:28

throw it together because and I

47:31

can I can tell that you've

47:33

taken a lot of time and

47:35

effort to make sure that you

47:37

tell the story I So we

47:39

really appreciate that. I'm sure others

47:42

have hopefully have told you that

47:44

you know it give you that

47:46

feedback and it's been wonderful, but

47:48

are there And

47:50

we've all we've all seen where

47:52

we talked to bloggers who are

47:55

like That video is I can't

47:57

use it because it's just it

47:59

didn't turn out the way you

48:01

wanted it, but how much footage

48:03

do you think you have in

48:05

the can, as they say, ready

48:08

to be made into a video?

48:10

I guess that's from, let me

48:12

ask that first. How much footage

48:14

do you think you've got built

48:16

up? And how much do you

48:18

like to have built up in

48:20

reserve, I guess? Yeah. You mean

48:23

like to when I make a

48:25

video or like have like like

48:27

coming up or? Some bloggers like

48:29

to have two or three hours

48:31

of that they can go okay

48:33

well I don't have to I

48:36

don't need to go out and

48:38

find a geocash for a while

48:40

because I've got enough footage. Oh

48:42

I see. So do you or

48:44

are you one of those that's

48:46

like. I get it done, it's

48:49

out there, I don't have anything

48:51

left, I gotta get out there

48:53

and do more videos, or do

48:55

you keep much in reserve? Yeah,

48:57

okay, yeah, I understand now. It

48:59

really depends on where I'm going

49:02

and what I'm doing. Sometimes I

49:04

can go to a certain place

49:06

and maybe get three or four

49:08

videos out of that. Right. And

49:10

I'm shooting, you know, the entire

49:12

time and have just tons of

49:14

extra bonus stuff. Sure. It really

49:17

just depends. I mean there's some

49:19

trips where I go and I

49:21

just get one thing and I'm

49:23

like, you know, here I spend

49:25

four days and I only have,

49:27

you know, one, one and a

49:30

half things maybe, usable stuff. Right.

49:32

Right. So I really try to

49:34

plan trips where I can get

49:36

a couple things and if not,

49:38

I'll just come back later and

49:40

get something else. But yeah, it

49:43

is a concern because sometimes it

49:45

doesn't happen that I, how I

49:47

planned it. Right. Right. Yeah. And

49:49

it was a lot of bonus

49:51

stuff there. Yeah. So that's been

49:53

I want to make sure and

49:55

in and publicize that for folks

49:58

who can. you know, join your

50:00

your patron. Yeah, absolutely. Because you

50:02

can get some, you know, extra

50:04

extra, extra. I mean, so you're,

50:06

you're kind of thinking about different

50:08

things, you know, we, we put

50:11

out things, you know, for our,

50:13

our patrons, but oh, thanks, Bell.

50:15

Andrew is now in Nevada too,

50:17

by the way. Thank you, my

50:19

friend, we're up to 6,000. Awesome.

50:21

Those donations comment. Yeah, absolutely. So,

50:24

do you have a number of

50:26

trips that you want to take,

50:28

a number of trips that you

50:30

and the wife want to take?

50:32

I mean, are you, are you,

50:34

I mean, obviously you're always kind

50:37

of looking for possibilities, but do

50:39

you keep like a running list

50:41

of like a running list of

50:43

like? this is a spot we

50:45

want to go to eventually is

50:47

it or are you do you

50:49

kind of go to everywhere you've

50:52

you've kind of how long is

50:54

your list I guess of possible

50:56

places you're open for oh man

50:58

I have I have like four

51:00

maps of thousands and thousands of

51:02

things even in Africa and and

51:05

yeah all over the place oh

51:07

yeah dream trips right yeah there

51:09

there's so much out there that's

51:11

so much out there that's so

51:13

interesting so interesting so that's yeah

51:15

so that's so interesting so that's

51:18

so That was where I was

51:20

kind of going with that. I

51:22

was wondering how much you were

51:24

keeping you know in possible reserve

51:26

and So you are there is

51:28

there any spots that you've attempted

51:30

I think you've mentioned this too

51:33

before you've attempted to get there

51:35

and it seems like every time

51:37

you've attempted it something's come up

51:39

or you weren't able to even

51:41

kind of get the even you

51:43

can't even get the the trek

51:46

started you sort of you've got

51:48

some bad luck spots that you

51:50

just haven't been able to kind

51:52

of tackle or yeah and those

51:54

are kind of weird because I

51:56

don't know what the deal is

51:59

but there's a couple places I'm

52:01

thinking of where I check the

52:03

night before all my gear all

52:05

the batteries to make sure that's

52:07

right and the next morning all

52:09

my batteries are drained and then

52:12

the batteries are inside they're not

52:14

cold they're not hot Yeah. So

52:16

I'm like, well, I have my

52:18

phone battery and I'm not going

52:20

to do a video with my

52:22

phone, you know. Right, right. So

52:24

it's like I have to do

52:27

something else, go back and charge

52:29

stuff. So that's happened a couple

52:31

times and yeah. And they're not,

52:33

the batteries aren't inside like the

52:35

cameras. They're just like sitting in

52:37

a bag or just sitting on

52:40

the counter or something weird going

52:42

on. Yeah. So yeah, there are

52:44

places like that for sure. I

52:46

want to bring in a couple

52:48

guys, probably have some questions as

52:50

well, so bring in Neil who's

52:53

in honor earlier, so hey Neil.

52:55

Howdy. With Jeff on and I

52:57

got Jason here with me as

52:59

well, so. Yes. Those two guys

53:01

are trouble right there. I want

53:03

to tell you that. Good. The

53:05

most fun kind of trouble. Yeah,

53:08

they all get out of the

53:10

middle of nowhere on you as

53:12

well. So, what parts of the

53:14

country, you know, I know you

53:16

got you kind of got your

53:18

list. Is there, is there part

53:21

of the country that you want

53:23

to get to and then try

53:25

to get out into the, you

53:27

know another part of the country

53:29

to get out of the middle

53:31

of nowhere with like Texas you

53:34

want to come to Texas to

53:36

do some or have you done

53:38

Texas yet or I haven't done

53:40

Texas yeah I've been the farthest

53:42

south I've been is the nearest

53:44

Texas is Carlsbad New Mexico right

53:47

right there's a couple I don't

53:49

want to say too much because,

53:51

yeah, but there are places in

53:53

the Midwest that I really want

53:55

to go. I have this huge

53:57

kind of plan already out for

53:59

those places. Good. So it would

54:02

be really different. I'm really excited.

54:04

So probably the beginning of this

54:06

next year. Yeah. Yeah, if you

54:08

come Texas, let me know. Yeah,

54:10

definitely. That's where that's where I'm

54:12

at. John's up in the New

54:15

York area. So and then these

54:17

two guys in the middle of

54:19

the country, Indian Illinois parts of

54:21

the world. So Midwest. Yeah, you

54:23

have a question for you all

54:25

a question for for Jeff where

54:28

we start to switch switch switch

54:30

gears? Did y' y'all? They're vloggers

54:32

too. So well. or the Neil

54:34

was a blogger. So, yeah. I

54:36

didn't have a question necessarily for

54:38

Jeff. I wanted to say thank

54:41

you for coming on the podcast

54:43

hope and sharing your stories with

54:45

us is all I want you

54:47

to say. Yeah, it really has

54:49

been an honor and really a

54:51

lot of fun. So I'm happy

54:53

to do it. No, I appreciate

54:56

it. Yeah, I'm happy to check

54:58

out your stuff. I didn't, I

55:00

didn't know about your channel or

55:02

anything before the podcast to help

55:04

line up. So, well, thank you.

55:06

Yeah, there's some great stuff on

55:09

there, I guess. Yeah, sure. Is

55:11

it, is it patron.com, forward slash,

55:13

you know, Jeff T. Johnson. Okay.

55:15

Yeah, it's not the track planner,

55:17

but it's the Jeff T. Johnson,

55:19

just my, just my full name.

55:22

Okay. I'm going to put that

55:24

in the show notes, but yeah,

55:26

it's been awesome. I love the

55:28

channel. Thank you. Other than these

55:30

two guys, well, Jason now, you're

55:32

one of them that I love

55:34

watching on YouTube and It's just

55:37

just been it's

55:39

been great you on

55:41

and have you

55:43

on and I hope

55:45

Looking forward to

55:47

hoping people will

55:50

get out and

55:52

and and watch

55:54

videos and on it

55:56

comment So again, Jeff, thank

55:58

well much for being on tonight.

56:00

And thank you

56:03

so much for

56:05

being on tonight we're

56:07

looking forward in touch

56:09

videos down the road. Yeah,

56:11

forward to your

56:13

videos down the

56:16

road. Yeah. Thank

56:18

you so much

56:20

Yeah, everyone. Please

56:22

donate please. Yeah. This

56:24

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56:26

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56:28

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