0:00

Pack your bags and grab

0:02

your GPS. The Brazilian jungle

0:05

is calling. We're thrilled to

0:07

announce a special guest appearance

0:10

by Roger Consoli on the

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Geocash Talk Network. Join us

0:14

on November 17th as Roger

0:17

dives into the adventure history

0:19

and excitement of the APE

0:22

Brazil Geotour in the iconic

0:24

Project APE mission. Four, Southern

0:26

Bowl Cash. This one-of-a-kind Geotour.

0:29

isn't just any adventure. Picture

0:31

this, hiking through lush jungle

0:34

trails, uncovering mysterious caves, marveling

0:36

at cascading waterfalls, and exploring

0:38

ancient stone ruins. And let's

0:41

not forget the quaint wooden

0:43

church that adds a touch

0:46

of charm to the journey,

0:48

but the crown jewel, the

0:50

legendary APE cache. It's the

0:53

only APE cache integrated into

0:55

a geotour anywhere in the

0:57

world. Preserving its original container

1:00

and exclusive movie memorabilia, it's

1:02

a must visit for

1:04

every geocasher. Tune into

1:07

the Geocash Talk Network

1:09

as Roger Consoli shares

1:11

his expert insights, top

1:13

tips, and thrilling stories

1:15

from his experiences on

1:17

this unique adventure. Whether

1:19

you're a seasoned geocasher

1:21

or a travel enthusiast,

1:23

you won't want to

1:25

miss this. So, mark

1:27

your calendars and get

1:29

ready to explore the

1:31

hidden gems of the

1:33

AP, Brazil, Gio Tour

1:35

with the one and

1:38

only Roger Consoli adventure

1:40

awaits. Well, welcome

1:42

everyone. Thank you so

1:44

much for being with us tonight.

1:46

Big thanks to our

1:49

new patrons, MathSeker

1:51

and One in Seven. Thanks

1:53

also to all of our patrons

1:56

for keeping the show on the

1:58

air and I have a really

2:00

quick story, but I want to

2:02

go ahead and bring everybody in

2:04

before I begin the story. So

2:07

we bring in my co-hosts. There's,

2:09

whoop, there's Jesse. And there's the

2:11

rest of the team, there's John,

2:13

and our guest, Roger, thank you

2:16

for being with us tonight. Oh,

2:18

I thank you. You bet. Real

2:20

quick story I got this letter

2:23

well email obviously in today's world

2:25

from one in seven who's the

2:27

that's his geocashing name and he

2:30

wrote and I'll just write read

2:32

some excerpts because it's a little

2:34

longer letter but he goes today

2:37

I became a patron why wait

2:39

till now I hear you ask

2:41

well I vowed that I would

2:44

do so when I caught up.

2:46

to date with all the episode

2:48

releases. So Rogers, he started this

2:51

back in 2018 and he came

2:53

across our podcast and he watched

2:55

some of the shows and his

2:58

completest, this is definitely Jesse-ish, the

3:00

completest in him, won out and

3:02

he opted to scroll down to

3:05

the. So, episode one, gosh, Jesse,

3:07

can you imagine trying to get

3:09

through the first 10 episodes? We

3:11

apologize for that first year. Now,

3:14

that was a little rougher, you

3:16

know, yeah, that's okay. Obviously, he

3:18

saw enough value in it to

3:21

stick with it for a while,

3:23

so stuck with it. And he

3:25

listened to them all in order.

3:28

Wow. And then he ran to

3:30

COVID. And he didn't cash for

3:32

a year and he was with

3:35

other things he stopped listening. So

3:37

when he caught back up, you

3:39

can imagine what happened. He ended

3:42

up with, remember the old Tuesday

3:44

show? Jesse, we did the Tuesday

3:46

show? A lot of other things.

3:49

Cash you with kids, puzzle talk,

3:51

get. talk, challenge talk. So then

3:53

he finally caught up and he

3:56

caught up this week. He finally

3:58

caught up. He's listened to every

4:00

single episode. God help him. He

4:03

listened to every single one of

4:05

them and he looks forward to

4:07

the future, you know, with us.

4:10

So anyway, funny story about actually

4:12

now he's going to be behind

4:14

because if he's a patron, he

4:16

can go back and watch those

4:19

olds. If they're even still there,

4:21

there's old, super old, super old

4:23

behind the scenes. Yeah, he mentioned

4:26

that. He said he's listening to

4:28

all the non-patrons. So he's got

4:30

a handful now out there in

4:33

the patron world. He can go

4:35

listen to as well. So crazy.

4:37

Yeah. Okay. I don't know. Say

4:40

congratulations or... I don't know. Don't

4:42

do it. But it's awesome either

4:44

way. So... John, you've got a...

4:47

a quick note and then I'll

4:49

wrap up with a quick podcast

4:51

hope no. Do you have a

4:54

note? Yes, sir. I have some

4:56

news. Do we want to play

4:58

the news bumper? Do we want

5:01

to dive in right now, Gary?

5:03

Oh, no, that's good. You know

5:05

what? We should do. Let's do

5:08

that. it's exceeded the total number

5:10

of will attends it had from

5:12

last year so it's past that

5:14

point it's actually over two thousand

5:17

three hundred and thirteen will attends

5:19

believe it or not so so

5:21

the great is just incredible of

5:24

people logging their will attends on

5:26

this one and and the part

5:28

that really gets me excited I

5:31

think a lot of people excited

5:33

is if you don't know when

5:35

event gets to three thousand will

5:38

attends It can go from mega

5:40

to giga status. So it looks

5:42

like it's gonna happen. Just people

5:45

keep on logging their will attends

5:47

from it. And I encourage anybody

5:49

who's considering to certainly do that.

5:52

I know there's a lot of

5:54

really good news out there, really

5:56

good offers that they're putting out

5:59

to people with certain packages. So

6:01

if you log your rule attends,

6:03

you're going to make sure you

6:06

get those first. And certainly we'll

6:08

put the GC code for geo

6:10

Woodstock here in the chat. Yeah,

6:13

I think I've got it. Go

6:15

ahead. Okay. I do. Yeah, let

6:17

me pull it up. Yeah, thank

6:19

you for doing that, Gary. But

6:22

I mean, really, and I don't

6:24

know about everybody, but I know,

6:26

but I'm diving deep into like

6:29

what events I met next year.

6:31

And it's like I keep on

6:33

counting my vacation days and I'm

6:36

like, man, if I, if I

6:38

recount my vacation days, maybe I'll

6:40

get a different number and be

6:43

able to attend more different events.

6:45

But, um, but so far, I

6:47

know Joe Woodstock is going to

6:50

be a must attempt for me

6:52

on this one. I don't know

6:54

about you guys. No, awesome. Yes.

6:57

All that other stuff, all that

6:59

other stuff, all of them all,

7:01

so I can go to Giga.

7:04

I've already decided I'm probably going

7:06

to have to go. I can't

7:08

take a chance of missing another

7:11

Giga. Oh, you've got to do

7:13

it, Jesse. You got to do

7:15

it. I mean, I'm, sadly, I'm

7:17

going to have to, because, you

7:20

know, school, so the school year.

7:22

Yeah. Probably have to fly out

7:24

on like Friday afternoon and fly

7:27

back on a Sunday. You know

7:29

what, you'll still get the giga

7:31

icon that way, man. Yeah, I

7:34

still get through that and I'll

7:36

still get to see everybody. I

7:38

just won't get to do the

7:41

week of stuff, you know, but

7:43

I can't take a chance of

7:45

missing another giga. So no, not

7:48

at all. And just to think

7:50

it's great there as of mid-November.

7:52

So we still got like months

7:55

to go on this baby. Oh,

7:57

we're not even in 2025. For

7:59

gig, I think it has to

8:02

be March before. Yeah, the thing

8:04

is everybody knows the rate that

8:06

it's going on towards Giga so

8:09

you can see all these other

8:11

people jumping on board like that

8:13

just want to be part of

8:16

it. So yeah, that's going to

8:18

go. I think it's going to

8:20

go. Be fun. West Virginia. Yeah.

8:22

Yes, it will be fun either

8:25

way. Yes, Tom's being responsible tonight.

8:27

That's no fun. He's being way

8:29

too responsible. Remember all your cats

8:32

and dogs log all their accounts.

8:34

Yeah, if you get pizza delivered,

8:36

make sure you tell your pizza

8:39

men like like like log, you

8:41

will attend. Then I'll give you

8:43

a tip. Just saying, like, that

8:46

could be one strategy. So a

8:48

quick note and we'll get the

8:50

show going. So a podcast Hope

8:53

is coming up 12 seven and

8:55

we are not long away from

8:57

that. I think we're three weeks.

9:00

Is that right? One, two. Two

9:02

weeks from this Saturday. So yeah,

9:04

about three weeks. So three weeks.

9:07

Today, 20 days from today, we'll

9:09

be doing the podcast to Hope,

9:11

raising money for St. Jude Children's

9:14

Hospital from 5 p.m. to 11

9:16

p.m. Central. Your time may vary,

9:18

so set your clock, set your

9:20

time accordingly. But I have been

9:23

in communication with all of the

9:25

guests and they're very excited. We've

9:27

got a great show set up

9:30

with them and we also have

9:32

a lot of prize packs. I'm

9:34

kind of getting all the prize

9:37

packs put together and then we'll

9:39

put, John will put out some

9:41

information on the prize packs. I

9:44

have some cool geo coins. I've

9:46

got a geo, I'm sorry, a

9:48

cosmic quest coin that we're going

9:51

to give away. It's kind of

9:53

cool from this past, past years.

9:57

Promotion? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

9:59

promotion that was a

10:01

good go ahead I've

10:03

got Yeah, I got

10:06

a bunch of oak

10:08

coins give us much

10:10

stuff space coast Art

10:12

and crafted is giving

10:14

away a shirt every

10:16

every hour like did

10:18

last year Ashley is

10:20

giving away 10 apps

10:23

for the for that for our night.

10:25

So we got that we got Space

10:27

Coast Game Way coins. We've got our

10:30

given shirts. It's amazing. And it's so

10:32

thankful to our for our vendors and

10:34

oh yeah up there. Absolutely. How cool

10:36

is that? I mean, it's ain't you?

10:39

It's donations for a great cause and

10:41

potentially win some awesome prizes too. Yeah.

10:43

Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. It's always a really

10:45

fun night. It's a little shorter this

10:48

year. We're doing six instead of eight

10:50

right. Yes, yeah, so

10:52

it's a little bit

10:55

shorter, but that just

10:57

means we'll we'll pack

10:59

it all into six

11:01

hours Yep, six instead

11:04

of eight and Tom

11:06

had a great suggestion

11:08

a few years ago

11:10

that he mentioned which

11:12

was to give Once

11:15

an hour, so take

11:17

whatever you want to

11:19

take whatever you're playing

11:21

to give and Split

11:23

up between the six,

11:26

you know, 120 dollars

11:28

you give 20 an

11:30

hour something like that

11:32

whatever, where whatever fits,

11:34

the geocashers, they're very

11:37

generous, but they also

11:39

know how to gamify

11:41

the system. So that's,

11:43

if there's a system,

11:45

they'll figure it out.

11:48

Yeah, but that's a

11:50

cool way to do

11:52

it and we encourage

11:54

that and then we

11:56

will draw, we randomly

11:59

draw people for each

12:01

hour and we'll give

12:03

away our gifts for

12:05

that. So all right,

12:07

well, let's get in

12:10

talking about. the ape

12:12

Brazil geotour and also

12:14

the the crazy project

12:16

ape cash there's only

12:19

two that's for a

12:21

while, only one survived

12:23

and that was in

12:25

Brazil and we'll get

12:27

into that. Brazil survived.

12:30

The other one was

12:32

resurrected. Yeah, the other

12:34

one was resurrected. The

12:36

Brazil one, you're gonna

12:38

have a price for

12:41

which one is actually

12:43

been active the whole

12:45

time. Yeah, it's Brazil.

12:47

First of all, how

12:49

did you come across

12:52

the great sport of

12:54

geocashing? How did you

12:56

get started? Yeah, my

12:58

story is a little

13:00

bit different. Okay. You

13:03

know, back in 2000,

13:05

GPS devices are too

13:07

expensive in Brazil. They

13:09

were expensive here. There's

13:11

almost no one, no

13:14

one so here back

13:16

then. But in 2001,

13:18

I purchased one. Cool.

13:20

Despite, you know, there's

13:22

no Brazilian map. They

13:25

are almost useless. My

13:27

wife, okay, she is

13:29

not happy about it,

13:31

but... Don't remember exactly

13:34

how I got into

13:36

I discovered you cash.

13:38

Okay, I go online

13:40

made an account And

13:42

I saw there's only

13:45

three geocashes in some

13:47

power 2001 Okay, only

13:49

three I found one

13:51

Cool and soon after

13:53

my son was born.

13:56

Okay, so you know

13:58

life got in the

14:00

way I forgot about

14:02

you, Keshin. Absolutely. I

14:04

don't know. my GPS

14:07

get okay and fast

14:09

forward 2014 I don't

14:11

know how I well

14:13

what about geocashing right

14:15

and I go well

14:18

I try to recover

14:20

my account oh no

14:22

I couldn't I lost

14:24

it When I look

14:26

at, wow, there's a

14:29

lot of joke ashes

14:31

now. Now there's a

14:33

bunch. Yes, there's, okay.

14:35

I go try to

14:38

find one, I found

14:40

it, I find another

14:42

one, and Ben, today

14:44

I have over 4,000

14:46

fines, maybe missing not

14:49

much, but here in

14:51

Brazil is too much.

14:53

I'm the third. most

14:55

with most fines in

14:57

Brazil. Oh, wow, that

15:00

is awesome. Yeah, and

15:02

I have over 300,

15:04

300, no, over 500

15:06

geocaches that I, hides

15:08

from my, my user,

15:11

not, and the geoartistas.

15:13

It's a group I

15:15

made with some friends.

15:17

As a matter of

15:19

fact, Gio Artistas is

15:22

the owner of the

15:24

Jutur. Oh, cool. Okay.

15:26

We have some of

15:28

your friends and others

15:30

from Brazil. We want

15:33

to welcome them into

15:35

the show tonight. So

15:37

Antonio, we mentioned him

15:39

earlier. There you go.

15:41

So you were spoken

15:44

of well. There you

15:46

go. So you were

15:48

spoken of well. by

15:50

Rogers, so that was

15:53

cool. And then we

15:55

have another one at

15:57

least. I know we

15:59

have at least we

16:01

have more than that

16:04

but we have at least another

16:06

in the in the chat room

16:08

but another that probably

16:11

yeah by the name I don't

16:13

know yeah but anyway we're grateful

16:16

to all of the folks that

16:18

are along tonight from

16:21

Brazil it's 10 o'clock

16:23

here in Brazil. Yeah, 10

16:25

o'clock. So we appreciate you

16:28

being the early. Yeah, it's

16:30

a little late. But we

16:32

are so grateful to have

16:35

you and to be able

16:37

to talk about Brazil geocashing.

16:39

And we'll get into the

16:42

we'll get into the ape

16:44

cache here in a minute.

16:46

And I appreciate you starting

16:49

with where you live in Sao

16:51

Paulo. So how do you? Let's

16:53

see how to ask this.

16:55

What's what do you

16:57

think is unique or different?

17:00

Oh, let me ask this.

17:02

Have you ever geocashed

17:05

outside of Brazil?

17:07

Yes. Yes. I joke

17:09

cashing More than 20

17:11

states in US. Oh,

17:13

cool. Several countries in Europe,

17:16

Japan. Oh, yeah. What

17:18

what would you say

17:20

is different or? maybe

17:23

not different about

17:25

geocashing in Brazil.

17:27

Like if we come there,

17:30

what are some things that

17:32

you would say is unique

17:35

to Brazil geocashes?

17:37

Well, of course, the most

17:40

obvious answer is that here

17:42

we have one of the

17:45

two aid caches in the

17:47

world. So yes, this is

17:50

unique. Yep. Oh, very

17:52

unique. Yeah. Very unique.

17:54

Yes. So it's the

17:57

greatest selling point. So.

17:59

But in addition, you

18:02

know, Brazil is the

18:04

fifth largest country in

18:06

the world. Yes. We

18:08

have, well, a lot

18:10

of beautiful, amazing places

18:12

to visit. To do

18:14

your cash, of course.

18:16

But I think one

18:18

of the things that

18:20

is very unique to

18:22

Brazil, I don't know,

18:24

compared to other countries,

18:26

but sure. It's not,

18:28

it's a small community.

18:30

But we are, you

18:32

know, very united. You

18:34

know, it's a small

18:36

community, but we play

18:38

hard and really love

18:40

the game. Events is

18:43

very popular in Brazil.

18:45

We schedule many events.

18:47

I personally know players

18:49

in several Brazilian states.

18:51

So the friendship here

18:53

throughout the country is

18:55

something. that I think

18:57

is very unique, you

18:59

know, we are always

19:01

in contact. Sure. Are

19:03

the, yeah, are the,

19:05

like when you find

19:07

cashes in other countries,

19:09

are, are they similar

19:11

with in Brazil as

19:13

far as like a

19:15

bison tube or like

19:17

a pill bottle or

19:19

I mean, is there

19:21

anything, is there sort

19:24

of a Is there

19:26

sort of a common,

19:28

like, are they, are

19:30

the, are they large,

19:32

typically large caches or

19:34

is it depend on

19:36

whether you're in the

19:38

city or the? Yeah,

19:40

it depends, you know,

19:42

European caches, tends to

19:44

be micro. We use

19:46

magnetic caches a lot.

19:48

Okay. You know, we

19:50

have a, we have

19:52

one cash. Can't remember

19:54

if I found some

19:56

container in the other

19:58

country. We do, we

20:00

get a ziploc bag,

20:02

a small one, you

20:05

know, sometimes this big,

20:07

and we got it

20:09

in silver tape or

20:11

black tape. Yeah, right.

20:13

Put a magnet onto

20:15

it and attach to

20:17

a traffic sign and

20:19

stuffs like this. And

20:21

it goes there because

20:23

cash is here. to

20:25

go missing a lot.

20:27

Oh, do they? Okay.

20:29

I was wondering. Yeah,

20:31

we have to really

20:33

make an effort. So

20:35

we use hollowing trees

20:37

a lot. Sure. And

20:39

those magnetics. So your

20:41

bank is here. It's

20:43

very difficult to get

20:46

a lot of different

20:48

containers. Right. We do

20:50

have them. They are

20:52

few. Unfortunately, they are

20:54

few. We have a

20:56

park here. It's like

20:58

our central park from

21:00

New York is Ibera

21:02

Poira Park. Right. It's,

21:04

it's, well, for those

21:06

who come to San

21:08

Paolo, it's one of

21:10

the prime spots to

21:12

go geocashing. It's a

21:14

very beautiful park, very

21:16

safe, and with a

21:18

lot of caches. We

21:20

have over 50 geocasches

21:22

in the park. Wow.

21:24

And you can find

21:27

some nice containers there.

21:29

Oh, it's all your

21:31

cash types. Okay. Adventure,

21:33

their virtual, multi, all

21:35

your cash types, you

21:37

can find the, this

21:39

part. Cool. Hey, Rod,

21:41

drive to ask you

21:43

the, the Ziploc one.

21:45

with the silver tape

21:47

around. What's the name

21:49

of that? Because sometimes

21:51

I know in the

21:53

United States they call

21:55

them like slim bobs

21:57

or flat packs. Would

21:59

they have a Brazilian

22:01

name or? No, they

22:03

don't have a nickname.

22:05

You don't have a

22:08

nickname for that. Well,

22:10

just wondering, and then

22:12

I know, just wondering

22:14

too, is that like

22:16

the most typical Brazilian

22:18

hide, is that a

22:20

Ziploc container? No, no,

22:22

no. Okay, that's just

22:24

something. I think to

22:26

go with, yeah, it's

22:28

some kind of pew

22:30

box or a tube

22:32

in a tree, I

22:34

think it's more. It's

22:36

more... Do they hide

22:38

your caches in lamp

22:40

posts in Brazil by

22:42

any chance? No. We

22:44

don't have LPC. We

22:46

don't have OPC because

22:49

our lamp posts are

22:51

completely different. We don't

22:53

have that... You don't

22:55

have the thing to

22:57

leave them. No. I

22:59

don't know. I think

23:01

some people may think

23:03

Brazil is already so

23:05

much more amazing without

23:07

LPC. Yeah, because we

23:09

have them everywhere. So,

23:11

yeah, every, you know,

23:13

when you go, when

23:15

you are in a

23:17

shopping mall, and the

23:19

wife is shopping, yeah,

23:21

I confess, I love

23:23

to find, but I

23:25

know, because it's so

23:27

easy, it's there. Yeah,

23:30

I go, I go

23:32

walking and pass sometimes.

23:34

I love them. But

23:36

we don't have anything

23:38

like that here. Okay,

23:40

thank you. Now once

23:42

you get outside the

23:44

cities, now in the

23:46

US, we can get

23:48

out in the wilderness,

23:50

you know, US wilderness,

23:52

but trust me, it's

23:54

a, it'd be a

23:56

whole other world to

23:58

go. Hunting through the

24:00

Brazilian rainforest for a

24:02

geocash in the middle

24:04

of nowhere. What is

24:06

the most remote? I

24:08

mean, the ape cache

24:11

is sort of down

24:13

a pathway, let's call

24:15

it. We'll get into

24:17

the, we'll get into

24:19

the, I don't wanna

24:21

talk about the ape

24:23

tour, you know, more,

24:25

you know, a little

24:27

bit in a little

24:29

bit, but have you

24:31

ever gone deep into

24:33

the jungle to find

24:35

a geocash? Like really

24:37

like I'm in the

24:39

jungle man. I'm out

24:41

there. Have you if

24:43

you ever found one

24:45

like that or Or

24:47

is it a jungle?

24:50

No, like I said

24:52

Brazilian jungle is different

24:54

Mm-hmm and we have

24:56

different types of jungle

24:58

in Brazil, you know,

25:00

Amazon not Amazon rain

25:02

forest It's different. It's

25:04

huge, never-ending forest. There

25:06

are a lot of

25:08

rivers that runs through

25:10

it, and the trees

25:12

tend to be bigger

25:14

and taller. Sure. The

25:16

jungle here in Sao

25:18

Paulo, and the south

25:20

of Brazil, the area,

25:22

around the Ape, it's

25:24

a different kind of

25:26

tropical jungle. of rainforest.

25:28

It's, the trees didn't

25:31

get too tall. Okay.

25:33

But it's a thick

25:35

vegetation. It's dense. You

25:37

have grass, you have

25:39

plants different sides. It's,

25:41

you have a lot

25:43

of, it's, you have

25:45

a lot of, it's,

25:47

it's, you have a

25:49

lot of, Of course,

25:51

you just can't go

25:53

to it. You know,

25:55

sometimes you are, okay,

25:57

the cash is 20

25:59

meters. in that direction.

26:01

You can sometimes traverse

26:03

this 20 meters, you

26:05

know, because it's so

26:07

dense, you need to

26:09

go around, you have

26:12

to find the trail.

26:14

So this is a

26:16

difference. Can you figure

26:18

this is actually a

26:20

trail, right? Roger, you

26:22

figure there's probably a

26:24

trail to it somewhere.

26:26

Yes, yes. There's a

26:28

trail. If you go

26:30

into Google Maps and

26:32

put the satellite and

26:34

find the ape cache,

26:36

for instance, you will

26:38

not be able to

26:40

see from the satellite

26:42

image, the trail. Wow.

26:44

You know, because it's,

26:46

yeah, it's covered. So

26:48

the trail is inside

26:50

the jungle. The same

26:53

for the Amazon rainforest.

26:55

a different kind of

26:57

experience. You feel we

26:59

really are inside the

27:01

jungle. So if people

27:03

bushwag in those kind

27:05

of situations, is it

27:07

a point of pride

27:09

or is it foolish

27:11

for people to do

27:13

that? Foolish. Sorry, I

27:15

didn't catch the term

27:17

bushwacking. Do you know

27:19

the term bushwacking? Oh

27:21

yes, bushwacking. Yeah. So

27:23

is it like, do

27:25

they have pride? You

27:27

can. First, for not

27:29

too far away you

27:31

can bushwalk, the bushwalk,

27:34

no problem, you can.

27:36

The Jiotur, for instance,

27:38

has, I believe, just

27:40

one Jokash, you need

27:42

to do some bushwalking,

27:44

but it's really, I

27:46

don't know, not even.

27:48

10 meters from the

27:50

trail. He really is

27:52

up here too, Roger,

27:54

so you can talk

27:56

about. So for those

27:58

that are audio, we.

28:00

brought up the geo

28:03

tour trail. And

28:05

we're talking about

28:08

the. Near Sao

28:11

Paulo. Near Sao

28:13

Paulo. Near Sao

28:16

Paulo, we have

28:18

a lot of

28:21

dirt roads and

28:23

inside some trails

28:26

in a jungle.

28:29

50 or 60

28:31

geocaches. I find

28:33

them all. How long,

28:36

I don't know, three

28:38

or four years. It's

28:41

a trouble. It's

28:43

really difficult when

28:45

you see the

28:48

heat. Okay, it's

28:50

a tube hanging

28:52

on a tree around

28:54

two meters high.

28:56

Oh, the one in the

28:58

near capital. GPS sign

29:01

is not, GPS signal

29:03

is not very good.

29:05

In jungles, so it's

29:07

really hard to find

29:09

a cache like this.

29:12

So, Roger, let's say

29:14

that somebody does get

29:16

off the trail, what

29:18

animals are waiting to

29:20

eat them in that,

29:22

in that jungle? Yeah.

29:24

from Brazilian jungle.

29:27

We have a lot of

29:29

animals. But boy, they can hide.

29:31

Oh, I bet. You hear them,

29:33

they'll watch you. But almost

29:36

you never will see them.

29:38

There's a big difference

29:40

from Yellowstone, for

29:42

instance, you know, that you

29:44

can see, wow, animals. Right,

29:46

right. You can. You, you,

29:49

most likely never saw a

29:51

monkey. Oh, right. It's very

29:54

difficult. It's all you,

29:56

right? Roger? No, these

29:58

years. Well, not... only

30:00

geocashing but geocashing I

30:02

own cross a snake

30:05

once. Oh my yeah

30:07

it's true snakes. So

30:09

you know it's very

30:11

hard to see them.

30:13

Birds, okay birds you

30:16

can find them. We

30:18

have a lot of

30:20

words. Amazon why I

30:22

found an alligator in

30:25

a river but okay

30:27

I'm here and he's

30:29

I don't know 20

30:31

meters away. Now in

30:33

the e-mining his own

30:36

business, Iguanas, Tukens and

30:38

Araras, Araras, I don't

30:40

know how to say

30:42

Araras in English, sorry,

30:45

Macau, Macau, is that

30:47

so? Like a bird?

30:49

I think, yeah, Macau

30:51

bird? Oh, Macau? Yeah,

30:53

yes, you see a

30:56

lot of them. Oh,

30:58

cool. That's about it.

31:00

Capivaras, you know, Capivaras.

31:02

Yeah. Here in some

31:05

power. There's a river

31:07

called Pinaeus. Okay. And

31:09

we have a very

31:11

long bike path along

31:13

the river. It's several

31:16

miles long. And by

31:18

the way, there's a

31:20

power trail. with over

31:22

70 caches. So who

31:25

likes to bike is

31:27

a very good place.

31:29

And this river has

31:31

a lot of capibaras.

31:33

You see them? It's

31:36

a single. Yeah, it's

31:38

a cycle from the

31:40

river. There's a large

31:42

sculpture of a capibata

31:44

there. Oh, how funny.

31:47

For those who goes

31:49

to for the Wazoo,

31:51

it was so false.

31:53

Oh, okay. Yes. Yeah.

31:56

One of the seven

31:58

natural wonders of the

32:00

word. Oh, that would

32:02

be beautiful. It's an

32:04

amazing place. Yeah. Do

32:07

you know Niagara Falls?

32:09

Yes. I mean, you're

32:11

Niagara Falls. John lives,

32:13

a stone throw from

32:16

Niagara Falls. Yeah. I

32:18

heard from an American

32:20

lady that's looking at

32:22

the false. completely all

32:24

and she said oh

32:27

boy Niagara Falls is

32:29

a faucet neurgis. Yeah

32:31

I've seen quite a

32:33

big that's true. Yeah

32:36

I've seen the balls

32:38

and our friend retired

32:40

guy Doug McRae when

32:42

we had him on

32:44

talking about the Victorian

32:47

Victorian Falls. Well, right,

32:49

is Victorian Falls? Yeah,

32:51

it's amazing to talk

32:53

about. And it's amazing

32:56

to look at the

32:58

photos of that. It's

33:00

just incredible. What are

33:02

some other... Because that's

33:04

definitely on the list,

33:07

right? We're going to

33:09

get the aid cache,

33:11

but that's that on

33:13

the list. Yes. There's

33:16

got to be some

33:18

other things that are

33:20

just right up there

33:22

at the top, though.

33:24

Well, equal to false

33:27

is very popular when

33:29

people... go to aid

33:31

cash is one of

33:33

the place. The other

33:36

one, of course, cannot

33:38

miss it, is real

33:40

decionero, real decionero, you

33:42

know, and the price-redeemer

33:44

statue, that is one

33:47

of the seven wonders

33:49

of the world, and

33:51

there is a virtual

33:53

there. My virtual, so

33:55

please go there. And

33:58

it's, you know, it's

34:00

an amazing city, very

34:02

beautiful. It's definitely a

34:04

place where most of

34:07

the geocashers that come

34:09

to Brazil goes to

34:11

Rio de Janeiro. Of

34:13

course, as I said,

34:15

Saint-Paulo, the city of

34:18

Saint-Paulo is the geocashing

34:20

capital of Brazil. We

34:22

have over 1,000 geocashes

34:24

in the city. and

34:27

Ibera Puaera Park is

34:29

the prime location near

34:31

there. We have the

34:33

Paulist Avenue. There are

34:35

some very good geocashes

34:38

there and the University

34:40

of San Paolo. It's

34:42

a lovely campus, very

34:44

beautiful. There is another

34:47

great spot. Besides that

34:49

we have. near Sao

34:51

Paulo, a city in

34:53

the mountain called Campos

34:55

du Gordao. We, in

34:58

Brazil, as I said,

35:00

we tend to do

35:02

a lot of events,

35:04

event caches. And we

35:07

created a national event,

35:09

so the Brazil national

35:11

event. And I call

35:13

it mini mega. Sure.

35:15

Because it's like a

35:18

mega, but with 30

35:20

or 40 people, I

35:22

know it's small, but

35:24

for us, it's huge.

35:27

And we made a

35:29

three-day event. Oh, wow.

35:31

Yes, with a lot

35:33

of stuff. And the

35:35

second edition was in

35:38

Compos du Gordel. So

35:40

there is a lot

35:42

of geocashes there, partrios.

35:44

And it's a very

35:46

beautiful city. It's somewhat

35:49

German. inspired architecture. Oh,

35:51

okay. Yeah. As I

35:53

said, it was so

35:55

false. It's prime location.

35:58

Yeah. In Rio Grande,

36:00

the Sui state, we

36:02

have a national park

36:04

there called Apparado da

36:06

Serra. It's a canyon,

36:09

national park. But there

36:11

we have, I don't

36:13

know, four or five

36:15

canyons. Totally different from

36:18

Ghana. There's waterfalls and

36:20

a lot of vegetation.

36:22

It's a very beautiful

36:24

part. We have two

36:26

geo arts there. So

36:29

it's very beautiful. And

36:31

Amazonas. Amazon as you

36:33

know. Amazon. Especially Manaus.

36:35

That is the capital

36:38

city of Amazon as

36:40

a state. Right. Right

36:42

in the jungle. is

36:44

nearby. We have a

36:46

lot of, well, the

36:49

place is amazing to

36:51

visit. That's cool. We

36:53

have a, there's a

36:55

virtual there, I don't

36:58

know if you know,

37:00

there's a phenomenon that

37:02

occurs there that we

37:04

call it the meeting

37:06

of the waters. Have

37:09

you ever heard about

37:11

it? Is that, did

37:13

Joshua tell us about

37:15

that in the past?

37:18

I might have, uh,

37:20

with Josh, we had

37:22

Josh, we had a

37:24

shorter vote to get

37:26

out there. Yeah, it's

37:29

two large rivers. One

37:31

is muddy and the

37:33

other one is, it's

37:35

clear, but with dark

37:37

waters, because it's very

37:40

acidic, and they meet

37:42

each other and get

37:44

along, tag along for

37:46

miles, without, without mixing.

37:49

Yes, those two rivers.

37:51

that forms the Amazon

37:53

River. Oh, okay. Amazon,

37:55

you know, and this.

37:57

right besides Manaus cities.

38:00

Very popular place too.

38:02

Yeah. That you can,

38:04

I can go on.

38:06

Yeah. A question for

38:09

Jesse, since Jesse's kind

38:11

of like our unofficial

38:13

travel agent on this

38:15

one. But when you

38:17

come down to visit,

38:20

when is, when are

38:22

the really good times

38:24

of the year to

38:26

visit Brazil? Oh yeah.

38:29

Best time for Brazil.

38:31

Yeah. The time. Should

38:33

we come visit? It

38:35

depends where you go

38:37

because we are a

38:40

north south country different

38:42

from US. US is

38:44

a latitude. We were

38:46

a launched. Sorry. The

38:49

longitudinal we are a

38:51

latitude country. So the

38:53

climate varies a lot.

38:55

Amazon reinforced, if you

38:57

go to Amazon, it

39:00

depends what you want

39:02

to see. You want

39:04

to see the river

39:06

at its lowest. Right.

39:09

Two different times. Because

39:11

when the river is

39:13

low, you can walk

39:15

into the jungle more

39:17

easily. to go inside

39:20

the trails you do

39:22

the trails but inside

39:24

a boat right so

39:26

different the rainy season

39:28

yeah now nowadays it's

39:31

it's the low season

39:33

right now is the

39:35

low season okay right

39:37

now something I mentioned

39:40

earlier on the the

39:42

Oahu Falls I said

39:44

the Victorian falls and

39:46

those are Victorian is

39:48

in and Zimbabwe and

39:51

so I had the

39:53

wrong. I want to

39:55

make sure and correct

39:57

that. It's the Wazu

40:00

is the one in

40:02

Brazil. So a couple

40:04

things. Let's, if we

40:06

can, I brought up

40:08

the map earlier, let

40:11

me bring the map

40:13

up again, because I want

40:15

to, let's talk a little

40:17

bit about the, the ape cache

40:19

for some, some people don't

40:22

know. about the ape cash

40:24

and we don't have

40:26

we don't have time

40:28

really to get into

40:30

all the we've talked

40:32

about it before on

40:34

the show because it's

40:36

so unique we talked

40:38

about the plan of the

40:41

apes movie that it was

40:43

you know they put these

40:45

there were 13 of these crazy

40:48

things and for it's

40:51

crazy because I think

40:53

there was one that lasted

40:55

like a day and it

40:57

was somebody stole it and

41:00

it was gone it was

41:02

gone. Yes. But of all

41:04

things the good old Brazil

41:07

one stuck around and

41:09

been there for forever

41:11

still to this day has

41:13

some of the movie memorabilia

41:15

inside of it. That

41:17

is awesome. So I

41:19

mentioned on this. I'll bring

41:22

up the map again. So

41:24

as we talk about the

41:26

map, and we'll talk about

41:28

the Geoteur, because I know

41:30

you've been involved with the

41:32

Geoteur as well. So

41:35

the, so I'm bringing up,

41:37

I'm showing the map right

41:39

now for folks that are,

41:41

the audio listeners, but there's

41:43

the whole Geoteur for folks

41:45

that are watching. There's a

41:47

lot of cool caches in

41:50

there. And we'll highlight

41:52

some here in a minute,

41:54

but what's cool is that

41:57

they've got, you've got this

41:59

one. And you have to,

42:01

the other thing you

42:03

have to remember, if

42:05

you're trying to find

42:07

the ape cache, if

42:09

you have on your

42:12

phone or your GPS,

42:14

if you've selected out

42:16

of the ape cache,

42:18

it's not gonna show

42:20

up. I don't know

42:22

if you've heard about

42:24

this, Roger, but some

42:26

people, they're like, I

42:28

can't see it on

42:30

my, I can't see

42:32

it on my phone,

42:34

I can't see the

42:36

ape cache. Like, well.

42:38

What do you have

42:40

for your cash types?

42:42

Oh, yeah. The ape

42:44

cash type is not

42:46

highlighted. You get every

42:48

day. You just don't,

42:50

yeah. So many people

42:52

just pick it off

42:54

their list. So, so

42:56

funny, but yeah. So

42:58

talk about the, there's

43:00

a trail. Obviously there's

43:02

a trail showing the

43:04

trail. So tell folks

43:06

about the. the trip

43:08

out, I guess. What's

43:10

what's it like? We're

43:12

all coming down there.

43:14

So we need to

43:16

know how to be

43:18

prepared. So tell us

43:20

what's going to be

43:22

like when we get

43:24

there. Okay. Let's talk

43:26

about the case. Yes.

43:28

You come to most

43:30

likely some Paolo International

43:32

Airport. Right. And there's

43:34

about five hour drive

43:36

to the Intervalice Park.

43:38

Is that the park

43:40

where the AP is

43:42

located? The AP is

43:44

located. about five hours

43:46

and 18 kilometers of

43:48

dirty road to get

43:50

into it. So it's

43:53

remote. Yeah, here's Sao

43:55

Paulo. Yeah, you know,

43:57

and it's remote, but

43:59

very worthwhile. Yeah, you

44:01

know, and it's remote,

44:03

but very worthwhile. Because

44:05

it's the cash. Come

44:07

on, you know, and

44:09

the park. I have

44:11

to say, the park

44:13

is a very beautiful

44:15

park. It's not too

44:17

big, but it's very

44:19

beautiful. Dave Cash. Let's

44:21

talk about Dave Cash

44:23

right now. As you

44:25

said, has never disappeared,

44:27

has never been archived,

44:29

but I have to

44:31

confess, it has gone

44:33

missing for some time,

44:35

because early back in

44:37

the days, it was

44:39

in a different location.

44:41

Okay. And a very

44:43

dense bamboo, you know,

44:45

grows and the cache

44:47

went missing side that

44:49

craziness of bamboos. Okay.

44:51

And it took a

44:53

while for the people

44:55

to find it again,

44:57

but it was there.

44:59

Okay. It was relocated

45:01

for this actual location.

45:03

And as you said.

45:05

The container is only

45:07

used in the original

45:09

container. You can see

45:11

by the patina that

45:13

it's sitting on the

45:15

jungle for a very

45:17

long time. And the

45:19

original movie Memorabilia is

45:21

inside the cache. But

45:23

not this, the original

45:25

documentation that explains the

45:27

AP project and shows

45:29

all other locations. Is

45:32

it still inside the

45:34

container? That's crazy. That

45:36

is crazy that that's

45:38

still there. The only

45:40

thing that's not the

45:42

original is the logbook

45:44

because it has to

45:46

be replaced because it's

45:48

few. The logs in

45:50

the logbook from the

45:52

app cache tends to

45:54

be very long. Yeah.

45:56

People love to write

45:58

and stamp and get

46:00

photos. The craziest thing.

46:02

The craziest thing. The

46:04

container. is not chained

46:06

to a tree. Right.

46:08

Wow. It's It's free.

46:10

If you go to

46:12

the log photos, you

46:14

can see a lot

46:16

of people hanging above

46:18

their heads like a

46:20

trough. Yay! You know,

46:22

it's there. And nobody

46:24

ever took it. So

46:26

it's crazy. Nobody's taking

46:28

it. No, never. The

46:30

trail. The trail is

46:32

so fantastic. By the

46:34

way, I love the

46:36

tunnel of light trails.

46:38

I did the Dave

46:40

Cash. The other, right,

46:42

one in Seattle. Yeah,

46:44

near Seattle. It's a

46:46

great rail, but it's

46:48

a completely different experience.

46:50

Yeah, the whole other

46:52

experience. No, you know,

46:54

the trail that you,

46:56

you highlight in the

46:58

map, it's around. 40

47:00

minutes to get to

47:02

the aid cache. It's

47:04

a side trail. If

47:06

you put the map,

47:08

people can see. It's

47:11

a side trail from

47:13

the main trail of

47:15

the park. That trail

47:17

goes to the Mirati,

47:19

to the, it's a

47:21

view platform high up

47:23

in the mountain. And

47:25

it's a side trail

47:27

very easy to miss.

47:29

Okay. Because that's the

47:31

intention. It's a trail

47:33

that knows no visitors

47:35

from the park goes

47:37

into. Just the park

47:39

employees and geocashers. Here's

47:41

the trail too, Roger.

47:43

Yeah. Get down the

47:45

map a little bit.

47:47

Yes. You can see.

47:49

There's a geocash up.

47:51

You know. Yeah. This

47:53

is mine. That one.

47:55

Yeah. In the next,

47:57

yeah, that's my and

47:59

that you go and

48:01

go. up in the

48:03

crazy trail? No, that's

48:05

the other side. Down

48:07

here, there's one down

48:09

here too. Yes, that's

48:11

the minute or the

48:13

viewpoint trail. You see,

48:15

you can see by

48:17

the trail, the zigzag

48:19

in the trail, that

48:21

is, you are climbing

48:23

a mountain. Yeah. And

48:25

this is the trail

48:27

to the eight cache.

48:29

You can see. Yes.

48:31

You can't take vehicles

48:33

on? You can only

48:35

walk? No. No. No.

48:37

No. Just a walk.

48:39

You must be parked.

48:41

Yeah. By the, the

48:43

view, you must park,

48:45

by the, the virtual.

48:47

You, you have it.

48:50

Yes. Yes. Yeah. Down

48:52

here. Yes. Poseada pick

48:54

up out. You leave

48:56

your car there and

48:58

going here. Yeah. By

49:00

foot to this today.

49:02

Gotcha. And it's a

49:04

trail. you know as

49:06

I said you will

49:08

feel inside the jungle

49:10

and or we we

49:12

always try to get

49:14

the the trail as

49:16

clean as possible sure

49:18

but but it's impossible

49:20

you know it is

49:22

like trying to to

49:24

dry ice there's always

49:26

big rains and we'll

49:28

branches and three parts

49:30

will fall on the

49:32

trail, will fall on

49:34

the trail and you

49:36

have to go over

49:38

three trunks under three

49:40

turns. It's all part

49:42

of the experience. But

49:44

as long as you

49:46

go, you don't rush.

49:48

It's completely safe. Sure.

49:50

And by the end

49:52

of the trail, when

49:54

you get to the

49:56

ape cache, It's so

49:58

great, you know, oh

50:00

yeah, it's an kind

50:02

of natural and featiater

50:04

among large trees.

50:06

Yeah. And from the

50:09

trail, you can see

50:11

the the ape cache up

50:14

a little bit.

50:16

Right. Very quarter

50:18

away. And oh, it's

50:20

until today, when I

50:22

go, I feel it's

50:24

an emotion. Very long.

50:27

Oh, yeah. I mean. State. I

50:29

know, probably, probably Brazilian

50:32

with us tonight, Ruggario,

50:34

how would you say

50:36

that, Roger, Ojario, Ojario,

50:38

okay, he's saying that, yeah, talk

50:41

about you need to run a

50:43

car, which makes sense, you're, you're

50:45

quite a ways from Sao Paulo.

50:48

Yes, you must get there by

50:50

car. Or by bus, groups, rank

50:52

bus or, or meaty bus. I

50:54

know. I know some people will.

50:57

Some people will stay,

50:59

sorry, some people will

51:02

stay at the the bird

51:04

observation place

51:06

that's out there. You

51:08

can you can rent

51:10

a rent a bed for

51:12

the night kind of thing

51:15

out there if you wanted,

51:17

okay. Yes, we have

51:19

four or five places

51:21

inside the park. You

51:24

can rent it's so.

51:26

run by the park

51:29

administration. Oh, okay, cool.

51:31

There's not fancy.

51:33

They're very simple,

51:35

but it's clean and

51:37

you can you can

51:40

stay there. It's the best

51:42

place, by the way,

51:44

into geocash in there. You

51:47

know, because it's a

51:49

it's a remarkable experience. And

51:52

I I gotta say, I

51:54

think every geoceshire in the

51:56

world that really loves the

51:59

game. should have as

52:01

a life, go to

52:03

find the ape, the

52:05

Brazilian. Of course. Oh

52:07

yeah. You know, I

52:09

have a say that

52:11

if you, if you,

52:13

if you, ape cash,

52:15

you know, if you

52:18

have only one, you

52:20

have none. You must

52:22

have two. You got

52:24

to get the set,

52:26

right? Yeah, you got

52:28

to get the set.

52:30

So, you got to

52:32

get the set. So

52:34

talk a little bit

52:36

about the. because this

52:38

is fairly new, I

52:40

think, but the geotour,

52:42

so if you come

52:44

to this area, you

52:46

now can do this

52:48

geotour and there are

52:51

quite a few, what's

52:53

the, 21? 21. Yeah,

52:55

there's some cool, so

52:57

talk a little bit

52:59

about. Yeah, there's some

53:01

cool, so talk a

53:03

little bit about. few

53:05

cash types but what

53:07

are some what are

53:09

some real highlights for

53:11

the geoteur that you

53:13

want me to to

53:15

highlight what I'm looking

53:17

at the yes if

53:19

maybe I can explain

53:21

a little bit about

53:24

the background of the

53:26

geotur yes yeah go

53:28

for it you're good

53:30

the first time I

53:32

went to interval spark

53:34

to interval I was

53:36

of course excited, I

53:38

found it, it's wow.

53:40

And we had a

53:42

group of 30 European

53:44

geocashers tagging along with

53:46

this experience and was

53:48

amazing. And I took

53:50

the time and found

53:52

all geocashes of the

53:54

park. I was kind

53:57

of disappointed because almost

54:00

all geocashes are just

54:02

small tubes hanging on

54:04

a tree. Sure. And

54:06

it really kind of

54:09

disappointed me. And I'm

54:11

not getting why this

54:13

happens. There's an explanation,

54:15

but the point is

54:17

it's kind of disappointing.

54:19

And I was thinking,

54:21

what can I do?

54:24

And I was thinking,

54:26

what can I do?

54:28

And in a trip

54:30

to Seattle. I went

54:32

to the HQ and

54:34

talked with them the

54:36

idea of making a

54:39

jotour using the ape

54:41

as one of the

54:43

geoches and we talked

54:45

and come up with

54:47

the all the paperwork

54:49

and buying contract and

54:51

everything else. One of

54:54

the main concerns is

54:56

that all geocashes should

54:58

be fun. Yeah. Every

55:00

geocash in the geoteur

55:02

should be fun, should

55:04

be different, decides the

55:06

extremely difficult weather to

55:09

maintain the geocash, to

55:11

maintain. But we try

55:13

our best. Giocchesheshes there

55:15

or there was archived

55:17

with the with disarrangement

55:19

with the HQ and

55:21

past the height was

55:24

made by a Brazilian

55:26

Giocchesha and We put

55:28

it in this group.

55:30

I have three other

55:32

friends Make the Gio

55:34

Tour and we try

55:36

our best human thing

55:39

all Gio Tour Very

55:41

cool. And deep along

55:43

with the owner of

55:45

the app that is

55:47

junior interval. He is

55:49

the owner is a

55:51

local. And as a

55:54

highlight, as a US,

55:56

well, you know, first

55:58

of all, if you

56:00

pay attention, all geocache

56:02

types are involved with

56:04

the exception, of course,

56:06

of the webcam cache.

56:09

By the way, we

56:11

don't have any webcam

56:13

in Brazil. No, no,

56:15

that weird. Sorry to

56:17

hear that. No, yeah,

56:19

we had, but was

56:21

archived, so there's a,

56:24

this is a jokeage

56:26

type, we don't have,

56:28

but we have the

56:30

ache, so. Yeah, you

56:32

got the ape, yeah,

56:34

exactly. Yes, there's a,

56:36

you know, there's a

56:39

challenge cache there. I

56:41

believe it's, yeah, this

56:43

one, yes. There you

56:45

go. A geo cache

56:47

is off, right there.

56:49

Yes, you must have

56:51

eight different types of

56:54

geo caches in Brazil.

56:56

If you get the

56:58

geo tour, you have

57:00

eight different kinds. So

57:02

it's all made. No,

57:04

there's spiritual, we have

57:06

a lot different cache.

57:09

This one is, yeah.

57:11

This one is a

57:13

treasure chest from a

57:15

pirate. It's very nice.

57:17

The one that left

57:19

it, the one left

57:21

of it. Yes, here's

57:24

one. Yes, I will

57:26

not tell you what

57:28

is the container because

57:30

this one is the

57:32

most crazy thing you

57:34

never expect to find

57:36

inside a juggle. Yes,

57:38

I made this one.

57:41

It's very fun. People

57:43

are loving. How much

57:45

time would you allow,

57:47

would you, would you,

57:49

would you, would, would

57:51

you, would, would you

57:53

want folks to allocate

57:56

to do the geo

57:58

tour? Can you do

58:00

it in a long

58:02

day or should you

58:04

try to do it

58:06

over two days? What

58:08

are, what are your

58:11

thoughts on amount of

58:13

time to do all

58:15

of these? I guess

58:17

you want to spend

58:19

as much time as

58:21

you can, but I

58:23

guess what is sort

58:26

of, yeah. We try

58:28

to make it as

58:30

compact as was possible

58:32

and fast as possible,

58:34

because I know people

58:36

don't want to spend

58:38

a lot of days

58:41

there. So this is

58:43

one thing when I

58:45

created it that stays

58:47

on my mind, Frankly,

58:49

someone that never went

58:51

to the park, I

58:53

believe in a day

58:56

and half, maybe two,

58:58

it's possible. But if

59:00

you have a car

59:02

inside the park, and

59:04

you do the, in

59:06

a, in a predetermined

59:08

order, the I designed

59:11

it okay you can

59:13

do you can do

59:15

easily in one day

59:17

okay that's so when

59:19

I took people there

59:21

when I guide them

59:23

it's it's one day

59:26

you you need to

59:28

start early sure not

59:30

too early but early

59:32

and we can do

59:34

one day because I

59:36

know I know the

59:38

ways in the park

59:41

and there's a certain

59:43

order and anyone it's

59:45

interested Just ask me

59:47

I message already mailed

59:49

the order that's easy.

59:51

the most the most

59:53

fast sure but but

59:56

there's a lot of

59:58

places and one thing

1:00:00

that I recommend is

1:00:02

do the show tour

1:00:04

but oh yeah but

1:00:06

take half a day

1:00:08

to enjoy the park

1:00:11

oh yeah right you

1:00:13

can you can swing

1:00:15

in a natural water

1:00:17

pool made of stone

1:00:19

And you can go

1:00:21

in a natural cave

1:00:23

with guide. You book

1:00:26

a guide. They give

1:00:28

you the headlamps and

1:00:30

you go inside the

1:00:32

caves. There's easy one.

1:00:34

There's more adventurous one.

1:00:36

And they're all natural.

1:00:38

There's not a single

1:00:41

light bulb inside them.

1:00:43

It's not a touristic

1:00:45

place. It's a natural

1:00:47

cage. So it's worthwhile.

1:00:49

They've not been commercialized.

1:00:51

No, no. It's just

1:00:53

one. And there's one

1:00:56

very adventurous. You need

1:00:58

you go almost all

1:01:00

the time inside the

1:01:02

river and you have

1:01:04

to climb in a

1:01:06

waterfall. You have almost

1:01:08

to light down to

1:01:11

pass in a very

1:01:13

low ceiling on the

1:01:15

water. Your head will

1:01:17

be touching the water.

1:01:19

Oh, it's on days.

1:01:21

I love it. I'm

1:01:23

sorry, so it's not

1:01:26

too hard to get

1:01:28

a guy, there's guides,

1:01:30

there's several guides, there's

1:01:32

several guides, or some

1:01:34

of you can basically

1:01:36

get a, you can

1:01:38

get a charter type

1:01:41

tour, a guy will

1:01:43

take you, okay. There's

1:01:45

a geocesh in Brazil

1:01:47

that is a tourist

1:01:49

guide, official tourist guide,

1:01:51

he lives in Igazu

1:01:53

Falls. And he guides

1:01:55

many groups in Brazil,

1:01:58

foreign groups in Brazil,

1:02:00

and just... ask me,

1:02:02

whoever wants to pass

1:02:04

the contact, but all

1:02:06

geo-cashes from the geo

1:02:08

tour are located in

1:02:11

self-guided trails. So

1:02:13

you don't need a

1:02:15

guide to go. To do

1:02:17

those, right? No, no. You

1:02:20

don't need. Yeah, that was

1:02:22

a question from Illinois. Yes,

1:02:25

yes, yes. You can find

1:02:27

them on your own. No

1:02:30

problem. The trails, the trails

1:02:32

are a well market. You

1:02:34

can't get lost in those

1:02:37

trails. Gotcha. You have, there

1:02:39

are two other places there.

1:02:41

We have geocashes in

1:02:43

the geotour. It's definitely,

1:02:45

you need to go

1:02:48

and see, is the ruins, the

1:02:50

castle ruins. Oh yeah,

1:02:52

the castle ruins. I

1:02:55

saw that. Yeah, the

1:02:57

castle ruins. They are

1:02:59

quite different from your

1:03:01

film, their movie, your

1:03:04

introductory movie. But actually,

1:03:06

it's kind of a mention

1:03:08

that was built. It's

1:03:10

a funny story. The

1:03:13

governor from the San

1:03:15

Paul State in the

1:03:17

70s decides to build a

1:03:19

mansion right in the

1:03:21

forest. I don't know why.

1:03:23

And he was building.

1:03:26

He took his wife there

1:03:28

with an helicopter,

1:03:30

she arrives there, look at

1:03:33

it, and said, I'll never

1:03:35

set foot again here.

1:03:37

Oh my. He just,

1:03:39

okay, abandoned. So there's

1:03:42

the ruins, but it's

1:03:44

awesome because the forest

1:03:46

is claiming the ruins.

1:03:48

So it's really a,

1:03:51

you have trees growing

1:03:53

inside it. From the

1:03:55

yeah, it's a very wild

1:03:58

great place to know And

1:04:00

within chapel is amazing.

1:04:02

It's very beautiful. And

1:04:05

it's right inside the

1:04:07

jungle, you know, there's

1:04:09

three surrounding it. It's

1:04:12

so beautiful. It's amazing

1:04:14

place. Yeah, I wonder,

1:04:16

you've got some incredible.

1:04:18

Yeah, and what's amazing

1:04:21

too, Rogers, the fact

1:04:23

that all these are.

1:04:25

I mean relatively close

1:04:28

to each other, you

1:04:30

know, yes, yes, they

1:04:32

are, no, they are

1:04:35

closed. Yeah, they are

1:04:37

closed. You can go,

1:04:39

yes, no, no problem,

1:04:41

you can go from

1:04:44

one cache to another.

1:04:46

Incredible. A short amount

1:04:48

of time, it's not,

1:04:51

it's not the hard,

1:04:53

the harder part is

1:04:55

the, is to climb

1:04:57

up to the, the

1:05:00

viewpoint, geo cache. There's

1:05:02

the most. Okay. Yeah.

1:05:04

The rest is more

1:05:07

or less flat. Right.

1:05:09

Yeah. It's already on

1:05:11

my list. I can

1:05:14

tell you that this

1:05:16

whole trip is on

1:05:18

my list. Yes. I

1:05:20

was going to say

1:05:23

this trip is probably

1:05:25

going to be on

1:05:27

many people's list after

1:05:30

this. Yeah. Yeah, I

1:05:32

was like, the pictures

1:05:34

of the castle and

1:05:37

everything else and it's

1:05:39

just, that is so

1:05:41

cool. I'm not exaggerating,

1:05:43

yes? Yeah, it is

1:05:46

beautiful. Absolutely. And I

1:05:48

would say, anyone who

1:05:50

wants to be here,

1:05:53

I'm okay, talk to

1:05:55

me, future me, to

1:05:57

email me, to message

1:06:00

me, I can help,

1:06:02

can give hints. tips

1:06:04

and whatever it needs.

1:06:06

But this year, before

1:06:09

the, with the pandemics,

1:06:11

we saw the the

1:06:13

show tour almost, let's

1:06:16

say, very few people

1:06:18

are coming back. We

1:06:20

have over 100 visitors

1:06:22

from several countries. We

1:06:25

have a group of

1:06:27

30 and plus Canadians

1:06:29

and Americans with two

1:06:32

reviewers at the group.

1:06:34

It's coming back. Finally,

1:06:36

it's coming back. People

1:06:39

are coming back to

1:06:41

Brazil for the ape.

1:06:43

That's great. That's great.

1:06:45

The only problem you

1:06:48

have there, by the

1:06:50

way, is with figs.

1:06:52

There's some areas, mainly

1:06:55

the ape cache trail.

1:06:58

because there is an

1:07:00

animal called Unte. It's

1:07:03

a very large rodent.

1:07:05

And they have a

1:07:07

lot of thick, thick

1:07:10

on it. And as

1:07:12

they cross the trail,

1:07:14

they leave there. And

1:07:17

it's very common for

1:07:19

people to get thick.

1:07:22

So, but it's easy.

1:07:24

If you have, if

1:07:26

I may, I want

1:07:29

to give a... a

1:07:31

useful hint, you know,

1:07:33

go with a nice

1:07:36

shoes, don't go with

1:07:38

flip flops. Yeah, it's

1:07:41

crazy. Pants, go with

1:07:43

pants, don't go with

1:07:45

shorts or something like

1:07:48

it, no. Tuck your

1:07:50

pants inside your socks.

1:07:53

It's not beautiful, but

1:07:55

it's very efficient. your

1:07:57

shirt inside your pants

1:08:00

and your shirt. If

1:08:02

you pick them up,

1:08:04

you pick with your

1:08:07

shoes or any socks.

1:08:09

And this way, when

1:08:12

you get out of

1:08:14

the trail, you just

1:08:16

have to check your

1:08:19

pants and your shirt.

1:08:21

If there is a

1:08:23

hitchhiker there, you easily

1:08:26

can. Pick them away

1:08:28

because they are not fixed. They

1:08:30

can't fix on fabric just this

1:08:33

right? Yeah, and this is the

1:08:35

most efficient way you can avoid

1:08:37

We have we have people here

1:08:39

in Roger in the US. We

1:08:42

have different methods I guess but

1:08:44

I don't know if you've heard

1:08:46

of this but people will take

1:08:49

I don't know and you guys

1:08:51

probably have seen this maybe too,

1:08:53

but They'll take duct tape and

1:08:55

they'll reverse it So the sticky

1:08:58

part is out and they'll wrap

1:09:00

it around their leg and so

1:09:02

that if a, if a tick

1:09:05

tries to get on their leg,

1:09:07

they get stuck to the, to

1:09:09

the, to the, yes, but, yeah,

1:09:11

I don't know. John, you got,

1:09:14

we don't, we don't have as

1:09:16

many. the the vegetation a lot

1:09:18

of times yeah and you will

1:09:20

get stuck because of the tape

1:09:23

is not I believe it's not

1:09:25

the the best way to do

1:09:27

it here yeah up north in

1:09:30

New York and I mean yeah

1:09:32

really it's you got to make

1:09:34

sure you a double check make

1:09:36

sure you don't have any like

1:09:39

as you expressed Roger hitchhikers onto

1:09:41

that one yeah You know encouraging

1:09:43

people I mean when you get

1:09:46

off the trail I mean, you

1:09:48

know changing to other clothes always

1:09:50

good to you know get a

1:09:52

shower to make sure. you know,

1:09:55

it's really easy to spot them.

1:09:57

Yeah, if you took everything, you

1:09:59

just have to look because it

1:10:02

would take a lot of time

1:10:04

for them to climb up to

1:10:06

you to find a clear skiing

1:10:08

page. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I do

1:10:11

this all the time and they

1:10:13

rarely are above my knees when

1:10:15

I get off the trail, you

1:10:17

know, it's really easy to spot

1:10:20

them. Yeah, they're trying to find

1:10:22

their way to your skin, but

1:10:24

you made sure that they can't

1:10:27

get to the skin. I avoid

1:10:29

black events, please. I appreciate it,

1:10:31

because I saw Jesse's eyes when

1:10:33

you said no flip-flops. Yeah. Because

1:10:36

I think you were probably thinking

1:10:38

your Taco Bell flip flops. Yeah.

1:10:40

All right, well, we're kind of

1:10:43

getting to the end of the

1:10:45

show. So what I would like

1:10:47

to do is take a couple

1:10:49

minutes and as we start to

1:10:52

get to the end, we're going

1:10:54

to let everybody kind of final

1:10:56

comments or final questions for Roger

1:10:58

and also for the chat room.

1:11:01

I want to mention for the

1:11:03

chat room. Thanks for everybody being

1:11:05

along. We've had people again who

1:11:08

are from all over. We have

1:11:10

a lot of international listeners, so

1:11:12

thank you to all of our

1:11:14

international listeners. I know that we've

1:11:17

had a real upsurge before tonight.

1:11:19

Hopefully after tonight, it'll be even

1:11:21

more of an upsurge, but we've

1:11:24

had an upsurge of people who

1:11:26

live in Brazil who have been

1:11:28

listening to the show, which is

1:11:30

really cool. That kind of spurred

1:11:33

us to... something we should have

1:11:35

done a long time ago which

1:11:37

was to contact Roger have him

1:11:39

on the show and we thank

1:11:42

you so much for being with

1:11:44

us. So what we're going to

1:11:46

do, Roger, we're going to kind

1:11:49

of go around the room here

1:11:51

and I'll watch the chat room

1:11:53

and we'll kind of do final

1:11:55

questions for tonight. And then I'll

1:11:58

let you kind of do a

1:12:00

wrap up at the end. So

1:12:02

John or Jesse, did you have

1:12:05

anything? I'll take it. I'll take

1:12:07

it. You know a lot of

1:12:09

times we have really good, you

1:12:11

know questions and answers before the

1:12:14

show on this one So before

1:12:16

just go today. I asked Roger

1:12:18

some pretty important questions or at

1:12:20

least important questions to me No,

1:12:23

you know, I was a little

1:12:25

disappointed in some of the answers.

1:12:27

Well, it's it's too bad that

1:12:30

we have to kick John I

1:12:32

wonder how that work, but um

1:12:34

But you know, just to confirm,

1:12:36

I think, I think Roger, you

1:12:39

said, pineapple pizza is not a

1:12:41

thing in Brazil. Yeah, and thank

1:12:43

you for, I can confirm that.

1:12:46

No, yes. Pizza Odyssey, I appreciate

1:12:48

that. It's kind of, it's kind

1:12:50

of a felony, you know. I

1:12:52

appreciate that heads up beforehand. I

1:12:55

really do. No pineapple pizza. Yeah.

1:12:57

No catcher, please. Whatsoever. And I'm

1:12:59

okay with no ketchup. I'm okay

1:13:01

with no ketchup. But yeah, Cape

1:13:04

Glass, we made sure I probably

1:13:06

like we had a half hour

1:13:08

with Roger before the show and

1:13:11

I think 25 minutes of it

1:13:13

was focused on pizza, believe it

1:13:15

or not. And everybody believes that.

1:13:17

We do believe that. Yeah, absolutely.

1:13:20

And Roger said he's willing to

1:13:22

show people, you know, a lot

1:13:24

of the good pizza places in

1:13:27

exchange of information. So that's very

1:13:29

cool. We'll eat some pizza in

1:13:31

Sao Paulo when we get there.

1:13:33

Roger. We'll give you a call.

1:13:36

Even if you work on state

1:13:38

cash, you just go to support

1:13:40

people that know pineapple pizza is

1:13:43

stupid. So that's enough to trip

1:13:45

alone. Yeah. Oh, there you go.

1:13:47

Antonio says it's amazing. So I'm

1:13:49

not thinking this word for it.

1:13:52

Pizza is not pineapple pizzas. Yeah,

1:13:54

regular pizza. Well, let me just

1:13:56

point out, Jesse. If you go

1:13:58

to that park with the ape

1:14:01

cache, there is a reverse where

1:14:03

I go there. Is screaming your name

1:14:05

on that? It is screaming his name. So

1:14:07

I mean, I don't know. I don't know

1:14:10

much. Well, I mean, as Roger pointed out

1:14:12

to it, I'm sure he's gonna hit on

1:14:14

it. You have, if you're a geocaster

1:14:17

and you're talking about what

1:14:19

you want to do is your bucket

1:14:21

list, right? You've got HQ, ET, stuff like

1:14:23

that you got to see, you got to

1:14:25

see, you know, you know, you know, you know,

1:14:28

the oldest cash plaque, But the ape

1:14:30

cache Brazil has to be on there.

1:14:32

Oh, it's bucket list for sure. Back

1:14:34

in now, but that's kind of lumped

1:14:37

in with headquarters, right? It's kind of

1:14:39

over there lumped in with

1:14:41

headquarters. I know they're right not

1:14:43

down the street from each other, but

1:14:45

Brazil is the one for at least

1:14:47

the people around where we live.

1:14:49

That's the big trip to go to. And

1:14:52

not only is it, I mean, it's enough

1:14:54

alone just to go to Brazil for

1:14:56

the ape cache, right, right? extra benefit to

1:14:58

go in there too. The park is

1:15:00

also beautiful, but you had a whole geo

1:15:02

tour that you added to it. So, I mean,

1:15:04

people were going just for the eight cash, but

1:15:07

now there's eight cash plus the eight cash geo.

1:15:09

Bonus. Bonus. If you're staying in the game, and

1:15:11

I know not everybody can travel the world, we

1:15:13

know that, right? But if you have the ability,

1:15:15

that has to be on your list. We've talked

1:15:18

about it for years, and there's no doubt

1:15:20

in my mind that maybe within the

1:15:22

next few years, we're going to do. trip

1:15:24

to Brazil with as many people as

1:15:26

we can take right? Yeah, we know

1:15:28

that's on the list. I figure out

1:15:30

how to make it happen yet,

1:15:32

but we've done crazy things already.

1:15:34

So we're going to keep doing

1:15:36

crazy things. But exactly. Yeah, it has

1:15:38

to be on your list if you're a

1:15:41

geocacher that has the ability to

1:15:43

travel or can you know, that is

1:15:45

allowed to travel or whatever, because

1:15:47

it's, I mean, it's just name

1:15:49

cache. There's a, there's a guy from Los

1:15:52

Angeles, I talked to him. took a

1:15:54

plane to San Paulo, took a

1:15:56

taxi to Intervalice, the taxi

1:15:58

leaves him. on the trailhead.

1:16:01

He took a tax. He

1:16:03

went to the aid cache,

1:16:06

logged it. We turned to

1:16:08

the taxi, he turned to

1:16:11

the airport, he turned to

1:16:13

LA. That's crazy. Two days.

1:16:16

That's two days of his

1:16:18

life. Exactly. Well man, it's,

1:16:21

yeah, so I'll kind of

1:16:23

wrap up and then I'll

1:16:26

let. Roger, you wrap us

1:16:28

up, but yeah, Jesse's right.

1:16:31

I think we're gonna put

1:16:33

together, I don't know when,

1:16:36

but we will put together,

1:16:38

you know, definitely a trip

1:16:41

down there and we will,

1:16:43

we will not, we will,

1:16:46

we will make sure that

1:16:48

we let you know because

1:16:51

we want to, we want

1:16:53

to buy you. My pleasure

1:16:56

to take you there. Yeah.

1:16:58

And we'll eat some pizza

1:17:01

I guess is what we're

1:17:03

talking about. Now we're talking.

1:17:06

We'll eat some Brazilian steak.

1:17:08

I'm looking for more of

1:17:11

a steak thing. The pizza,

1:17:13

I can get pizza anywhere,

1:17:16

but I want the Brazilian.

1:17:18

You never had Brazil pizza,

1:17:21

man. You gotta have it.

1:17:23

I mean, it's true. How

1:17:26

many endorsements from Antonio and

1:17:28

others on here? Yeah, I

1:17:31

guess. One meal will have

1:17:33

pizza. Koshinya is a delicacy

1:17:36

that's the chicken, fried thing.

1:17:38

It's amazing. Sounds good. All

1:17:41

decays, you are cheesebread. Okay.

1:17:43

Yeah. Yeah. It's another thing.

1:17:46

Pastel is kind of a

1:17:48

fried dough. Oh. Stuff it.

1:17:51

Yeah. It's for pastel. It's

1:17:53

another food you have to

1:17:56

try here. Brazil steakhouse Yep,

1:17:58

and pizza and pizza there

1:18:01

you go. Yeah When you

1:18:03

come here, be prepared for

1:18:06

all this. Yes. I'm prepared

1:18:08

already. I'm so ready, man.

1:18:11

I'm so ready. This will

1:18:13

be awesome. Yeah. Antonio mentions.

1:18:16

Yeah, Fejouada. Yes. Yeah, Tonino.

1:18:18

Fejouada. Yes. If you like

1:18:21

it. Fejouada. It's one of

1:18:23

the Brazil's most known foods.

1:18:26

Oh neat. Yeah. It's black

1:18:28

beans, black beans with pork.

1:18:31

Oh, neat. It says too,

1:18:33

with black beans and a

1:18:36

lot of pork parts. Oh,

1:18:38

okay. Yes, it's amazing. It's

1:18:41

making me hungry. It's late

1:18:43

at night. You'll eat something.

1:18:46

Yeah. Six foods. You need

1:18:48

to prove. You need to

1:18:51

taste here. Good man. That

1:18:53

is awesome. Well, again, we're

1:18:56

gonna let you. have say

1:18:58

a couple things and then

1:19:01

we'll wrap up for tonight

1:19:03

so again thank you so

1:19:06

much for being on and

1:19:08

oh he's saying about Brazilian

1:19:11

hot dogs too so there

1:19:13

you go but what are

1:19:16

saying I'm not going to

1:19:18

hot talks to Americans okay

1:19:21

they are different they are

1:19:23

quite different but you know

1:19:26

so what are some final

1:19:28

thoughts What are some of

1:19:31

your final thoughts for tonight?

1:19:33

Well, I'm really, I'm surprised

1:19:36

to be on your podcast.

1:19:38

I'm very thankful to have

1:19:41

this opportunity. I love you.

1:19:43

I love Apyokesh. I love

1:19:46

the Apyokash. I love the

1:19:48

Apteur, the Jyotur. And I

1:19:51

love Brazil. So it really

1:19:53

was a pleasure. Sure. talk

1:19:56

to you about all those

1:19:58

things and I want to

1:20:01

make myself available to anyone

1:20:03

who wants and needs help

1:20:06

to visit Brazil. Please feel

1:20:08

free to contact me anytime.

1:20:11

I'll help on my, I

1:20:13

try my best to help

1:20:16

you. My nickname is Roger

1:20:18

Sien, as you can, you

1:20:21

can see here. And really.

1:20:23

Once again, I want to

1:20:26

apologize for having murdered your

1:20:28

English, your native language. So

1:20:31

many times, I know I

1:20:33

did, but I really felt

1:20:36

my best to speak English.

1:20:38

And thank you, thank you,

1:20:41

thank you very much for

1:20:43

this opportunity. Oh, you did

1:20:46

fabulous. Oh, you did fabulous.

1:20:48

again, thank you so much.

1:20:51

This is great. And we'll,

1:20:53

we'll, we'll, you know, we'll

1:20:56

keep you, you know, we'll

1:20:58

keep your information. Obviously, like

1:21:01

I said, when we come

1:21:03

down, but, you know, we'll,

1:21:06

we'll stay in touch, you

1:21:08

know, and we'll, you know,

1:21:11

look forward to maybe having

1:21:13

you back sometime when, you

1:21:16

know, when, when the time

1:21:18

comes up and again, like,

1:21:21

like, like, like, like, like

1:21:23

Jesse, We'll give you advance

1:21:26

notice when we're going to

1:21:28

we're going to invade your

1:21:31

country and try to eat

1:21:33

your food and well, we

1:21:36

will eat your food. We'll

1:21:38

eat a lot of your

1:21:41

food. Yeah, it will be

1:21:43

perfect. But if you're a

1:21:46

due cashier, it's not if

1:21:48

it's when you're going to

1:21:51

go. It's when. Yeah, but

1:21:53

looking forward to it and

1:21:56

we will have a ball

1:21:58

and we will come see

1:22:01

you and and see these

1:22:03

great cashes and obviously. You

1:22:06

know get this icon man.

1:22:08

It is it is an

1:22:11

incredible Only got to do

1:22:13

both. Roger said you got

1:22:16

to get both There's only

1:22:18

two in the world and

1:22:21

this is, yeah, so really

1:22:23

looking forward to it. Sorry.

1:22:26

Yeah, again, thanks. So thanks

1:22:28

for everybody was in the

1:22:31

chat room and, you know,

1:22:33

thanks for everybody who is

1:22:36

our listeners and our viewers

1:22:38

tonight. And again, we'll see

1:22:41

you all soon. So we'll

1:22:43

say good night to everyone.

1:22:46

Thanks again and good night.

1:22:48

Thanks Roger. We'll see you

1:22:51

soon. Good night. Both

1:22:54

be less than

1:22:56

two. And whatever

1:22:58

it is you're

1:23:00

looking for, may

1:23:03

it find its

1:23:05

way to two.

1:23:07

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1:23:09

all meet again.

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