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And welcome to another episode of

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Getting Hammered. I'm your host, Mary

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Catherine Hamm. I'm here with my

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co-host, Pick Madison, Washington, free. Beacon,

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we are your morning show for

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any hour. I'm actually over caffeinated

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and underprepared today because I broke

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my Linton promise and had one

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and a half cups of coffee. I

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know, I know. Fail, fail, fail.

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Nonetheless, we'll bring you the news

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about what's going on with tariffs.

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There's a Supreme Court update on

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immigration and deportation and deportation. moves

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and a little update on the signal

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gate as well not that anyone remembers

0:45

what that is from two weeks ago

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But we will we make it our job To close

0:49

those loops for you even if the people

0:51

in the national Intel are not closing

0:53

the loops on their own chats We

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will close the loop, but before we get

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to all that. How's it going Vic?

1:00

Hello, Mary Catherine. Well right now.

1:02

I'm dealing with something that is

1:04

bulging and on fire. I am

1:06

talking about my flood I had

1:08

a gout flare-up because of dehydration.

1:11

Yeah. You know, I was sick, not

1:13

getting enough liquids, and

1:15

now my foot is on fire,

1:17

and it's like me, Samuel

1:19

Johnson. I hear Damien Lewis

1:22

on Wolf Hall. He's portraying

1:24

Henry VIII with a gout

1:26

limp. Oh. I thought about,

1:29

you know, this is why Steve

1:31

is the hydration police. In our

1:33

house, you do not get

1:35

dehydrated. No, I mean, this is the

1:37

big thing. And I, I sort of

1:39

have. And we don't even have

1:42

risk factors like you. I have

1:44

a lot of risk factors. And I,

1:46

I thought about it. And I

1:48

thought, and I thought, why is this

1:50

happening? I'm not like, you know, doing

1:52

anything out of the ordinary

1:55

diaterally speaking. I

1:57

actually thought about putting a little foot

1:59

bath with... ice here in front, but

2:01

I don't know, I don't know how

2:04

that would play on YouTube. So I'm

2:06

gonna skip that. But it is, it

2:08

is funny because you do find lots

2:10

of people you can relate to or

2:13

people who know a lot of people,

2:15

every now and then you run into

2:17

somebody who has never heard of Gout.

2:19

They don't know what that is, right?

2:22

Ben Franklin was, was one of the

2:24

most famous famous. Right. I have not

2:26

run into him, but yes. the Declaration

2:28

of Independence because he had doubt, you

2:31

know. But no, I was talking to

2:33

other people, including a guy who's always

2:35

filled with wisdom, my barber, Habib, from

2:37

Morocco. Al-Nakras is what it's called in

2:40

Arabic, Al-Nakras, which really sounds like it.

2:42

That does sound like it. And he

2:44

was telling me, his father, also suffers

2:47

from it from time to time. He

2:49

said that they were doing fine, I'm

2:51

going up. there's a meat festival and

2:53

I would say for anybody who suffers

2:56

gout those are like the two deadliest

2:58

words meat meat festival and then he

3:00

said by the end of the night

3:02

he was crawling to bathroom like baby

3:05

oh anyway that's like me now and

3:07

you took that as a handbook I

3:09

did you said uh up next for

3:11

me and I mean the best all

3:14

I can think of is A Casablanca

3:16

meat festival must be amazing. Just amazing.

3:18

See, I think that you should wear

3:20

this as a badge of honor. You

3:23

have earned this condition with your decadent

3:25

lifestyle. Something like that. Here you are.

3:27

Yes, and here I am. Obviously, you

3:29

don't have these issues. Nobody in your

3:32

family. Nobody in your family. Not to

3:34

my knowledge. No. No. Well, do it

3:36

okay. You know, you know, who has,

3:38

you know, who has a guy from

3:41

time to time, Adam White, if you

3:43

know who Adam White is. He's like,

3:45

yeah. The collection grows. You guys need

3:47

to have like a little Facebook group.

3:50

Oh, that's right. You know what I

3:52

call it? Beyond reasonable cow. Oh, that's

3:54

good. Thank you. I mean, if there

3:56

wasn't a reason to join before. now

3:59

you got one. Okay. Mary Catherine, how

4:01

are you? I am good. Happy belated

4:03

birthday. Thank you very much. My birthday

4:05

was on Saturday. I had a great

4:08

time. I'm going to tell you more

4:10

about that trip. But first I will

4:12

I will play you at my youngest

4:14

is getting very verbose. He's talking more

4:17

and just I'll just give this greeting

4:19

to you guys. Nailed

4:32

it. I love it. So you are

4:34

going to miss that voice. I know.

4:36

So I do tape them. You can

4:38

never video your kids enough, especially the

4:41

voices in the mannerisms because you think

4:43

that you're going to remember that forever,

4:45

but then they morph into this new

4:47

person and you forget. And I think

4:49

my older two, I didn't have nearly

4:52

enough video from when they were kids.

4:54

I had a lot of audio for

4:56

that matter because it really, the sound

4:58

is, really, the sound is very special.

5:00

So I do have some audio, I

5:03

did some voice memos back when the

5:05

little girls were little and they're so

5:07

so cute, those little voices. For me

5:09

it's this, good morning, is my son

5:11

now, so, sadly. Yeah, different vibe. So

5:14

my weekend was lovely. I did a

5:16

little bit, stereotypically tourist day in New

5:18

York City. But you were in the,

5:20

you were in New York. It was

5:22

fantastic. Yes, Steve set it up so

5:25

I can meet some of my best

5:27

friends. in New York and then he

5:29

came up on Saturday and met me

5:31

and so on Saturday I went to

5:33

slept in and then had a walk

5:36

in Central Park with my besties with

5:38

a coffee then we got oh had

5:40

a lovely French restaurant lunch nice got

5:42

our nails done dropped by the M&M

5:44

store in Times Square Not the rapper,

5:47

not the rapper. Nope, just the Eminem

5:49

brand. Because I was like, a friend

5:51

was like, she wanted to get something

5:53

for her kids for Easter. Like, they

5:55

like M&M's. I gotta tell ya. Underrated

5:58

experience, like more, normally I'd be like

6:00

poop. We don't go to that tourist

6:02

traffic. Yeah, it's a tour. It's time.

6:04

No New York goes to Times Square.

6:06

But it was cool. They got all

6:09

this branded stuff that's fun and is

6:11

pretty and made me want to buy

6:13

it for my kids. I kept a

6:15

pretty tame. I got I got them

6:18

some hair ties that had little Eminem

6:20

shaped decorations on them. But there were

6:22

slippers, there were t-shirts, there was stuff

6:24

that I wanted. Again, I was, I

6:26

was tame. And you know what it

6:29

is about it? What? It's that they

6:31

make everything in the colors of the

6:33

M&M's. Yeah. And the brown in there

6:35

makes it 70s. It has this very

6:37

cool 70s vibe. And I wanted to

6:40

buy so many things with the stripe

6:42

with all the colors on it. And

6:44

there was a hat that I somewhat

6:46

regret not buying. Anyway, so that was

6:48

a very touristy experience. Can I ask

6:51

you question about this? I assume there's

6:53

lots of M&M's to eat at the

6:55

M&M store. Actually, no. They don't, no.

6:57

You're kidding, really? You can make, you

6:59

can make yourself, well, okay, not for

7:02

me a cheap skate. You have to

7:04

pay for them. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

7:06

So you can make yourself a variety

7:08

pack, which seems very dicey. Like there

7:10

are peanuts and caramel M&M's. They were

7:13

pretty good. They're pretty good. So how

7:15

much can you pack in an Eminem?

7:17

It's amazing. One might argue that the

7:19

flavor scientists are both our biggest strength

7:21

and our biggest weakness in this country.

7:24

Yeah. And so you can make yourself

7:26

a variety pack and one of my

7:28

friends did. But then you got like

7:30

mint in there and caramel. What's going

7:32

to happen? It's a free-for-all. And I

7:35

would like to try the other ones

7:37

that I see. I see them all

7:39

the time in the store when you're

7:41

about to check out. Anyway, and then

7:43

there's like the delightful little characters one

7:46

of whom is the orange one who

7:48

I did not realize is just anxious

7:50

I feel like he should get a

7:52

better personality than that although the girl

7:54

the green one is just like sexy

7:57

That's her whole personality. You know that

7:59

the green one with the heels? Green

8:01

Yeah. She's green. She's green. There you

8:03

go, of course. Although I think what

8:05

I'm talking about. Although I think they've

8:08

corrected that a little bit, and I

8:10

think one of the other brown ones

8:12

is now a woman as well. So

8:14

there's two. Well, I mean, one of

8:16

the male voices famously was Jay K.

8:19

Simmons. Oh, that's right. Anyway, so spend

8:21

some time with those guys. Wasn't really

8:23

a major part of the trip, but

8:25

we just went on a little trip

8:27

down that. I know exactly where you

8:30

were. drop by name steakhouse where it

8:32

was Gallagher's steakhouse oh I've been there

8:34

yeah that's great and it's a classic

8:36

yes and then this was after the

8:38

nails done and then went to the

8:41

comedy seller for a show which was

8:43

very funny yeah very fun a good

8:45

comedian several good comedians so no none

8:47

of the crazy famous people that sometimes

8:49

pop in top and suddenly although Dove

8:52

David off is fairly famous and he

8:54

was he was first there but I

8:56

saw a woman named Aaron Jackson who

8:58

was very funny And I think from

9:01

the South, because she mentioned food lion

9:03

where she was growing up. Uh-huh. That

9:05

was a tell. And then a guy

9:07

named Tommy Brennan, I think, who was

9:09

like, sort of had a Michael J.

9:12

Fox in his prime vibe. He was

9:14

good too. Wow. So anyway. You have

9:16

to have a stick. But I will

9:18

say that being in one's 40s and

9:20

thinking you can just take a train

9:23

up to New York and come back

9:25

down without being so, so, so sore.

9:27

I feel like three days later I'm

9:29

following apart still. from a train ride.

9:31

You know what, at least you don't

9:34

have gout from it. I would have

9:36

ended up with gout. It's also train

9:38

ride plus not going to the gym.

9:40

This is the thing. Yeah. Working out

9:42

as an old person is hotel California.

9:45

You can check out anytime you can

9:47

never leave. Like once you are on

9:49

that track, you've got to keep working

9:51

out. Yeah. to prevent the pain. Even

9:53

in my gout, I'm still trying to

9:56

do the push. Yes, you're either going

9:58

to have good pain or bad pain.

10:00

Opt for good productive pain in the

10:02

gym. I have not been doing that

10:04

for the past couple days, so here

10:07

I am celebrating my mid-40s by being

10:09

in pain. Can't even tell and... All

10:11

right, shall we talk about the news?

10:13

Let's do it. My goodness, we have

10:15

more and more tariff news. The latest

10:18

breaking news actually is that Elon Musk

10:20

is talking a bunch of junk about

10:22

Peter Navarro. Yeah, there's a lot of

10:24

internal strife going on and it's confusing

10:26

me. Well, I'm not sure it's confusing.

10:29

It's just that like several people don't

10:31

believe in free trade, one of them

10:33

being the precedent. and his buddy Peter

10:35

DeVaro. And people like Elon Musk are

10:37

like, you know, I'm willing, and Scott

10:40

Besson, who's done a decent job of

10:42

attempting to put some rhyme or reason

10:44

to this in public, you know, they

10:46

actually like free trade and they think

10:48

that tariffs can be used strategically for

10:51

certain ends that would get you to,

10:53

to, like, not. trading with China so

10:55

much because what most of what Trump

10:57

did with terrorists in the first administration

10:59

that's not what's going on right now

11:02

and it's got Elon Musk tweeting be

11:04

still my heart Milton Friedman's eye pencil

11:06

recitation fantastic video if you haven't seen

11:08

it love that I mean everybody's if

11:10

this again as I said in the

11:13

last episode if the terrorist thing makes

11:15

the Congress do its job and take

11:17

back the reins of power or if

11:19

it makes everyone including the left free

11:21

to free to choose yeah I will

11:24

say this is what I voted for.

11:26

Right. As Scott Jennings on CNN said,

11:28

he was amused how this is what

11:30

it took to turn a lot of

11:32

these Democrats. So nice to see. So

11:35

nice to see. Yeah. Jared Polis actually

11:37

might actually be a free trade Democrat

11:39

and looking a little bit tempting with

11:41

this tweet this morning, which was, hold

11:44

on, Jared Polis is the governor of.

11:46

Colorado. Repealing all tariffs and ending the

11:48

Jones Act would be a recipe for

11:50

huge economic growth and success for the

11:52

USA and the world. Let's do it.

11:55

Jobs, opportunity, lower prices and growth. Retweating

11:57

a Cato Institute post. So look. Again,

11:59

if the Democratic Party corrected by putting

12:01

someone like this at the top of

12:03

their ticket, that would become very dangerous

12:06

for Republicans and also much more healthy

12:08

for the country. Trump is inadvertently getting

12:10

these people the cell phone, right? I mean,

12:12

people talk about Trump having owned himself by

12:14

doing this whole tariff thing, but the fact is

12:16

all these other people that have found themselves in

12:18

the opposite direction, because once again, whatever

12:21

Trump does. there's the gut reaction to do the

12:23

opposite. Although I think it may or may not be, you

12:25

know, Polith is closer to actually believing some of

12:27

that. So if he's an actual physician. No, right.

12:29

I mean, it may actually be true, and it

12:31

may be, you know, the right thing to do.

12:34

Much of the left doesn't. No. But the Peter

12:36

Navarro, Elon Musk, and let's throw in Carolyn Leavitt,

12:38

the White House presictory into the next. It leaves

12:40

me very confused because they don't really

12:42

have, they're not on message and you

12:44

think that Elon Musk is, you know,

12:46

very close to the president as the

12:49

president's ear, they're doing the doge

12:51

thing, you know, government efficiency,

12:53

across the world, people are very

12:55

upset about that, you had these

12:57

very organized demonstrations over the weekend,

12:59

very organized by Indivisible and, you

13:02

know, move on or whoever, but at the

13:04

same time, Elon is, as you mentioned, clearly

13:06

a free trade guy because he knows

13:08

that's what benefits everybody ultimately, particularly his

13:10

businesses. So how do people react to

13:12

him in this? And I'm going to

13:14

throw Howard Ludwig in the mix, the

13:16

Secretary of Commerce. People are in a

13:18

state about this. Well, Navarro was going

13:21

after Elon specifically because he was going

13:23

after Elon specifically because he was asked

13:25

about Elon disagreeing with him on this

13:27

and he said, we all understand in

13:29

the White House and the American people

13:31

understand that Elon's a car manufacturer, but

13:34

he's a car manufacturer. parts from these

13:36

countries and these countries and these countries.

13:38

And Elon responds on Twitter to

13:40

this clip. Navarro is truly a moron.

13:42

What he says here is demonstrably false.

13:44

Tesla has the most American-made cars. Navarro

13:47

is dumber than a sack of bricks.

13:49

He didn't really mincewords, didn't? No, no,

13:51

no. That wasn't too subtle. Wow. Look,

13:53

the problem here, and yet this this

13:56

week, there was also a very

13:58

quintessentially modern media story and Mark.

14:00

story where an economic advisor

14:02

to Trump went on Fox

14:04

early in the morning, like eight

14:06

in the morning, a person from

14:09

Media Matters or somewhere clipped

14:11

this clip, and a person

14:13

named Bloomberg on Twitter misread

14:15

the original segment and

14:17

interview and declared that

14:20

this economic advisor had

14:22

said that Trump would consider

14:24

a 90-day pause on tariffs. At

14:26

this point, the market not loving the

14:29

tariffs goes skyrockers at the idea

14:31

that there would be a 90-day

14:33

pause at which point everyone is

14:35

like passing around this Bloomberg thing

14:37

that's not Bloomberg it's just

14:40

guy named Bloomberg who watched

14:42

the clip and misinterpreted it

14:44

and a few minutes later everyone

14:46

realizes this is not real and

14:48

the Trump administration says oh no

14:50

we're not considering any of that

14:53

take that market stop rallying and

14:55

the markets go back down I don't know.

14:57

It's... Some hoped that that that blip might show

14:59

him, look, what would happen if you didn't do

15:01

the tariffs, but no, he was like, no, we are

15:03

not causing one bit. We're all in and we have to

15:06

see this thing through. If we do this half measure, then

15:08

what does he say that, you know, accomplished, or what

15:10

does he, you know, say that, you know, some country

15:12

has come to the table or whatever, and

15:14

that they haven't, and he doesn't have

15:16

anything to show, no deliverables, no deliverables,

15:19

no deliverables, no deliverables, right. No deliverables,

15:21

right. Right. I was very concerned,

15:23

right. I was very concerned. I

15:25

was very concerned. the day after liberation day

15:27

when I think was the day after

15:30

and Trump's truth was the patient survived

15:32

or was at the end of the day

15:34

and all caps the patient survived I want

15:36

to know what it would look like if

15:39

the patient died what would that be

15:41

like and were they thinking that was that

15:43

a possibility and the patient

15:45

could still die I mean it's like

15:47

it's touch and go right now it's

15:49

intensive care let's say the patient is

15:52

an intensive care so here's the market

15:54

is looking slightly better The market can

15:56

be a roller coaster and if you're

15:58

in it for the long haul. and

16:00

your retirement is in the future, don't

16:02

look at your portfolio and hang on.

16:04

However, there are other people who will

16:07

experience the downsides of this, and there

16:09

will be real effects on the costs

16:11

of goods. Should all these tariffs stay

16:13

in place? Now the extent to which

16:15

the markets are saying, okay, maybe we

16:18

aren't crashing at this moment, is because

16:20

they are now taking again the interpretation

16:22

that these tariffs are... a gambit, that

16:24

they are a negotiating strategy. And the

16:27

problem is that sometimes the White House

16:29

says they're a negotiating tactic, and sometimes

16:31

the White House says, no, they are

16:33

an attempt to reshape the American economy

16:35

and onshore all of the manufacturing that

16:38

left during the 1990s 2000s and free

16:40

trade agreements. The time horizon I'm bringing

16:42

back. what they envision is very long.

16:44

And I don't think people actually understand

16:47

what that would look like. It would

16:49

be tons of automation as our current

16:51

manufacturing sector is, which, by the way,

16:53

isn't dead, but it is very different

16:56

than it used to be, and it

16:58

would continue to be different. It would

17:00

not look like Ohio in the mid-century.

17:02

Detroit in the mid-century. But like, if

17:04

they're not negotiating tactics, the market goes,

17:07

again, which... I don't know if they're

17:09

negotiating tactics, but I don't know if

17:11

he wants to negotiate zero for zero

17:13

tariffs. I think what he wants to

17:16

negotiate is that we should have no

17:18

trade deficits. Yes. That's all I'm going

17:20

to say is yes. There's so many

17:22

things I'm not even quite sure. I

17:25

know. I know. When you talk about

17:27

the trade deficits, we mentioned this on

17:29

the last show that they're not incorporating

17:31

into these formulas and into the calculus,

17:33

the calculus, the calculus, the calculus, the

17:36

calculus, the calculus, the calculus, the calculus,

17:38

the calculus, the calculus, the calculus, and

17:40

the calculus, the calculus, the calculus, the

17:42

calculus, the calculus, the calculus, the calculus,

17:45

the calculus, the calculus, the, the, the,

17:47

the, the, the, the, the, the, the,

17:49

the, the, the, the, the, the, the,

17:51

the, the, the, the, the, the, the,

17:54

the, the, the, the, the, the, the,

17:56

the, the, You know, I'm just giving

17:58

money and I'm not getting what I'm

18:00

getting as a service, but I'm not

18:02

actually getting anything else in exchange for

18:05

that. And that needs to, the United

18:07

States is a huge service provider for

18:09

the world. Yes. You know, I'm not

18:11

going. culture exporter and entertainment exporter. Streaming.

18:14

Let's just talk about streaming. You're not

18:16

going to some of these countries for

18:18

streaming. They're coming to us to watch

18:20

these. Well, also, let's ask if the

18:22

trade deficit is the problem. Yeah. How

18:25

are you going to fix that with

18:27

much more sparsely populated nations with much

18:29

less robust economies? We have a lot

18:31

of things. They don't have that many

18:34

things. How are we going to trade?

18:36

equally. And by the way, one of

18:38

the reasons that we buy a lot

18:40

of stuff is because we have a

18:43

lot of money and we want a

18:45

lot of things. Yes, that's what we

18:47

do. That's really something that Americans do

18:49

well with you spend. But now you

18:51

have this sort of market uncertainty. What

18:54

happens when they're not sure what is

18:56

going to happen in the next six

18:58

months, let alone, you know, Trump's vision

19:00

of, let's say, three to seven years.

19:03

they pull back. People stop spending money,

19:05

right? That is a real problem for

19:07

the economy. If that happens. And capital

19:09

investment stops spending money because they're not

19:12

sure what the rules of the road

19:14

are. Yeah. And when you get less

19:16

capital investment and you get less consumer

19:18

spending, what do you get? Not a

19:20

good economic situation. So one of the

19:23

things that was initially celebrated was the

19:25

price of oil going down. That's fair.

19:27

It's great. The price per barrel is

19:29

way down. The reason for that I

19:32

think is a lot of these giant.

19:34

oil and gas companies are predicting that

19:36

there won't be as much a demand

19:38

in the near to medium future for

19:41

gasoline it is on one hand cheaper

19:43

and on the other hand possibly a

19:45

signal of a recession because they know

19:47

people are not going to be traveling

19:49

people are not going to be doing

19:52

this that or the other they're not

19:54

expanding their refineries because the price of

19:56

steel pipes has gone I mean there's

19:58

all these things to consider and the

20:01

other thing as you mentioned Mary Catherine

20:03

is the idea of bringing factories back

20:05

home and I don't know If the

20:07

labor that we have in this country,

20:09

certainly in some parts of the country,

20:12

there are a lot of people who

20:14

would like to, but according to like

20:16

the national manufacturers of America, there's a

20:18

real deficit in workers for a lot

20:21

of... of these factories to do this

20:23

kind of work, whereas you get this

20:25

overseas. We have open manufacturing jobs in

20:27

this country. Yes. Yeah. And the idea

20:30

that we're laying off all these government

20:32

workers, you know, doesn't necessarily translate that

20:34

the guy who was working at Voice

20:36

of America is now going to work.

20:38

Yeah, it's not going to be working

20:41

in the sneaker factory. Although one of

20:43

my Twitter friends, Iowa Hawk did say,

20:45

hey, look, I've been as hard on

20:47

Trump about tariffs as anyone. But if

20:50

the new vision is a bunch of.

20:52

bureaucrats sitting in a Nike sweatshop in

20:54

America. Wow. You could convince me. I

20:56

know that's, but yeah, that's very a

20:59

command economy. You know, I mean, it's

21:01

like. Okay, so that's part of this

21:03

is that what you're going to do

21:05

this now. And what? So anyone in

21:07

classes, anyone in classes must work in

21:10

the fields. I believe, I believe Derek

21:12

Thompson tweeted this of the Atlantic that

21:14

we should just declare like a liberation

21:16

freedomathon where every country. just gets this

21:19

amount of time on the phone with

21:21

the president to work out a new

21:23

deal. Sure. And I actually think that's

21:25

about as close to what Trump would

21:28

like as you're going to get. Yeah.

21:30

But the problem again is, is he

21:32

solving the trade deficit with Singapore or

21:34

Zimbabwe or is he solving the tariff

21:36

problem? Because if you're solving the tariff

21:39

problem, you take Vietnam's yes, zero for

21:41

zero. You take the European Union's... Yes,

21:43

zero for zero, which by the way

21:45

would be a great improvement. Sure. I

21:48

will concede it. Look, you know, you

21:50

rarely see American cars overseas when I've

21:52

been. Yeah, I mean, well, they can't

21:54

fit on, they can't fit on their

21:57

streets. A little cobblestone alleyway. There's no

21:59

way you're putting the Ford Explorer there.

22:01

That's true. But that expedition ain't gonna

22:03

cut it through the hills of Germany.

22:05

But anyway, if you want that, zero

22:08

for zero is a great deal is

22:10

a great deal. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're

22:12

negotiating. No, no, no, we're not negotiating

22:14

because we're reshaping the economy. So, which

22:17

is it? The country... trying to come

22:19

to the table for the liberation telethon,

22:21

don't know what to offer and are

22:23

attempting. Some 50 countries have come to

22:25

the White House saying they want to

22:28

negotiate, great, let's get those negotiations done,

22:30

although I would note that Vietnam, what

22:32

it's offering... would have already existed by

22:34

now had Trump accepted the TPP in

22:37

2017. Right. Trans-Pacific partnership. Because another way

22:39

to think about negotiating with countries to

22:41

get zero for zero tariffs is as

22:43

a free trade agreement. That's what that's

22:46

what that would be. That is yeah

22:48

like an after USMCA. Yeah I'm just

22:50

a little like why do we hate

22:52

free what we don't like free trade

22:54

agreements where we agree to both lower

22:57

trade barriers but we do like a

22:59

trade war that results in zero for

23:01

zero tax. There might be a trade

23:03

agreement in place, but we're going to

23:06

throw it out so we can claim

23:08

victory on the new trade agreement that

23:10

basically replicates the previous one. I mean,

23:12

part of it is that he just

23:15

likes to do the negotiation. He likes

23:17

negotiating. I mean, there are at least

23:19

14 or 15 different trade agreements that

23:21

were in existence before liberation day. So

23:23

I imagine a lot of these countries

23:26

are going to negotiate, quote unquote with

23:28

the administration. between our two countries that

23:30

previously existed until Liberation Day and just

23:32

put that back in place, or what

23:35

about, I don't know, the United Kingdom

23:37

or Australia, who has a reverse trade

23:39

deficit, right? We're flooding their markets and

23:41

they're not getting anything out of that,

23:44

and yet we're slapping them with tariffs

23:46

too, so I'm not quite sure about

23:48

that. And then there's small countries like

23:50

Cambodia that, you know, Trump talks about

23:52

getting ripped off, but it's not like

23:55

it's Monte Carlo in there, you know.

23:57

Yeah, you would want to look to

23:59

the Cambodians and Vietnam's of the region

24:01

right and incentivize them right to do

24:04

business with us now There is the

24:06

possibility that Chinese products come through a

24:08

Vietnam or like look this is what

24:10

free trade is there are all sorts

24:12

of entanglements. Please watch eye pencil as

24:15

recited by Milton Friedman or read it.

24:17

Whether you like it or not we

24:19

are all now very much interconnected. We

24:21

cannot revert to that previous upend that

24:24

global model. I think that American workers

24:26

and communities, one of which I lived

24:28

in, which was devastated by the textile

24:30

mills leaving in southern North Carolina right

24:33

on the South Carolina border, sometimes called

24:35

the poverty belt. I think those workers

24:37

and those generations that came up while

24:39

those places were very bereft have a

24:41

point in saying like, yeah, my cheap

24:44

socks are cool, but there was a

24:46

trade-off here that people weren't recognizing when

24:48

this decision was made. And also, the

24:50

economy cannot be reverted to 1980. I

24:53

think many of the people in this

24:55

country who have a lot of things

24:57

available to them. If, by the way,

24:59

in this scenario, we ended up not

25:02

having a lot of those products available

25:04

to us would not like that, right?

25:06

You would find that your prosperity is

25:08

actually, and your ability to get sometimes

25:10

cheap goods, is pretty important to you.

25:13

It would be an interesting time. Our

25:15

friend Matt Cottonetti on the commentary podcast

25:17

was recommending the works of Jude Wineski,

25:19

the economist about the importance of economic

25:22

freedom and why that matters. There's another

25:24

book that came to my mind recently.

25:26

in all this, which was David Halberstiv's

25:28

book, The Reckoning, about how the Japanese

25:31

had the edge on us in the

25:33

automotive industry with cars. And a lot

25:35

of it was the trade barriers and

25:37

the protectionism that resulted in a lack

25:39

of competition for American cars. They didn't

25:42

have to worry about the competition from

25:44

Honda or Toyota at the time. And

25:46

as a result, lack of competition, lack

25:48

of innovation, you had some crappy cars.

25:51

Yeah, that's the other thing. If your

25:53

government is willing to shut off the

25:55

rest of the world. Your company does

25:57

not have to compete on the toughest

26:00

ground right and then you that's quality

26:02

of product as you go. But anyway,

26:04

I do think there's a place for

26:06

doing this in the way that the

26:08

first term Trump did and using it

26:11

to lessen how much we engage with

26:13

China. Somebody made the point, I think

26:15

it might have been John Kearney, who's

26:17

been, who is on the president's side

26:20

on the tariffs reshaping the American economy,

26:22

says like, you know, we absorbed these

26:24

countries surpluses. buying goods freely that we

26:26

wish to have, right? It's like I

26:28

think there are ethical and annoyance problems

26:31

with all the Chinese stuff that comes

26:33

into my house from various birthday parties,

26:35

right? No question. Again, we, we, you

26:37

know what, you know what? You know

26:40

what? You know what? Kate was convinced.

26:42

Yeah. You know what? Kate was convinced.

26:44

She ever got the candy bracelets. So

26:46

there are concerns and also. We're not

26:49

being violated by them coming into the

26:51

country. Like that many people are just

26:53

buying the things and a market exists

26:55

for this to a great degree, whether

26:57

it's sheen clothing or it's Timu. So

27:00

it's not exactly just that we're absorbing

27:02

surpluses and getting ripped off. So I

27:04

think there's a place for this. I

27:06

think there's a strategic way for it

27:09

to work. I think targeted tariffs. I

27:11

think trying to solve a trade deficit

27:13

is trying to solve a problem that's

27:15

not really a problem. Yeah. And if

27:18

that's your aim. And it becomes a

27:20

command and control economy. Because if you

27:22

want to keep our trade balance exact

27:24

with every nation on this earth or

27:26

almost exact, that's going to take a

27:29

lot of dictating from the top. And

27:31

I don't want no part of it.

27:33

It really is. You know, the core

27:35

of Trump's beliefs is not. I mean,

27:38

I agree. I think he's not using

27:40

this as some sort of political cudgel

27:42

for some other. He's always believed from

27:44

day one that America is getting ripped

27:47

off. And I'm sympathetic to that. Yeah.

27:49

Yeah. how do you go about this

27:51

and perhaps they're not getting as ripped

27:53

off as you think in certain ways

27:55

in certain ways right i was or

27:58

by a lot of these countries like

28:00

Cambodia. Right. I'm not sure we're getting

28:02

up. The kingdom of Lesotho. Yeah. Kingdom.

28:04

Well, nobody's ever heard of that.

28:06

Yeah, right. Apparently. By the way,

28:08

credit to Trump, who of course

28:10

remains our most entertaining president for

28:12

sure, creating a new term. Oh, yes.

28:14

Who oppose his policies. The United States

28:16

has a chance to do something that

28:18

should have been done decades ago. Don't

28:21

be weak, don't be stupid, don't be

28:23

a panicant. A new party based on

28:25

weak and stupid people. Be strong,

28:27

courageous, and patient, and greatness

28:29

will be the result. So

28:31

if you are a Panican,

28:33

watch out. I feel like a Panican

28:36

is something like a zoom lens

28:38

for my camera. I got to,

28:40

you know, put my little pannequin

28:43

on there. No? The man has a

28:45

way with words. He has. Do you

28:47

think that he came up with that

28:49

sort of, you know, the derivation

28:51

all on his own? Or did

28:53

somebody say, hey, you know what?

28:55

That came straight from the heart, straight

28:57

from the heart. And yes, I do

28:59

think, you're right, he has talked about

29:01

this for years. There's another, I saw

29:04

another tweet that was like, that was like,

29:06

he's, he's treating the tech pros and

29:08

the hedge fund managers like the other

29:10

parties have treated the working class for

29:13

all these years. A couple things, the

29:15

tech pros and the hedge fund managers

29:17

all voted for Trump. So, let's just,

29:19

be careful with that one. And again,

29:21

the results you're getting the results

29:24

you're getting. through this policy

29:26

for working class voters better

29:28

be quick and better override

29:31

the chaos such that it is and

29:33

the higher prices that they might

29:35

see in everyday goods. The question

29:38

is about those higher

29:40

prices because where you know the

29:42

tariffs on China now which

29:44

Trump threatens to raise to like

29:46

over a hundred percent. and

29:48

China now saying that they're going to retaliate.

29:51

Well, because China has the advantage of not

29:53

having to elect anyone and not caring about its

29:55

people. No, there's no, right. I mean, they don't

29:57

have an accountability issue. So if they have to like

29:59

somehow magically. rose up against them. Right. They

30:01

have to, like, feminize everyone to beat us.

30:03

They just deal with might just do

30:05

that. Yeah, because they have to deal with

30:08

it, you know, I mean. But for

30:10

us, obviously, elections coming up, midterms coming up,

30:12

the first ones are going to be

30:14

in this off -year election in 2025. And

30:16

I do expect probably Spanberger will win, because

30:18

in Virginia, again, swim some sears for

30:20

the governor's race, just because traditionally it's the

30:22

party that's out of office. Right. nevertheless,

30:24

this doesn't help. I was talking about this

30:27

on Hugh Hewitt's show the other day,

30:29

and they asked me about what exactly prices

30:31

would affect me by going up. And

30:33

I totally fell for the snob tax issues

30:35

for me. It's like, you know, I

30:37

don't know, French wines, gosh, you know, but

30:39

I mean, but there are a lot

30:41

of... Wrong answer, Vic. Wrong answer. But... You'd

30:43

be like, socket wrench sets. Right, right,

30:46

right. I'm not sure what that is, but

30:48

I'll look into that. No, but the...

30:50

An air filter wrench. If you are, for

30:52

example, if you're Anything with wrench in

30:54

it. Wrench is good. is good. If you

30:56

were young, right, jokes aside, if you

30:58

were young, renting an apartment, sharing it, you

31:00

know, with a couple other housemates or

31:03

whatever, you need to buy things. Got furniture,

31:05

lamps, whatever. Where are you going to

31:07

go? You're going go to Target, right? Yeah.

31:09

Or are you going to go to

31:11

IKEA? All that stuff is made in China.

31:13

I imagine all the prices of that

31:15

are going to go up. Yeah. I think

31:17

that will be the case. And there's

31:19

great American furniture. Don't get me wrong, particularly

31:22

if you are in the Commonwealth of

31:24

Virginia in places like Berryville or in North

31:26

Carolina, Thomasville, but kids are not going

31:28

to afford that sort of... Yes. And it's

31:30

beautiful stuff, but they're not going to

31:32

afford that for the apartment. They want the

31:34

Kista or whatever the simple bookshelf is

31:36

or the chair, and it's cheap. And it's

31:38

good, but I recognize it's a problem,

31:41

but still... Maybe they'll start taking a few

31:43

more of those China cabinets off their

31:45

parents' hands. That's right. Every

31:47

set of parents whose kids

31:49

have moved away has a couple

31:51

of China cabinets to hand

31:53

you. Yes. And some of them

31:56

may contain... For your curios.

31:58

Yes. I was going to say

32:00

precious moments. Right, you know, I don't think people

32:02

are buying that anymore. By the

32:04

way, I'm of an age that gave me

32:06

the curio cabinets. I'm here

32:08

for it. Okay. I don't know what

32:11

to do with it. All righty.

32:13

Let's talk about the Supreme Court

32:15

decision. Oh, yeah. Okay, so the

32:17

Supreme Court decided yesterday,

32:19

5-4, with the dissent being Sotomayor,

32:22

Kagan, Ketoni Brown Jackson,

32:24

and Amy Koney Barrett. Although

32:27

Amy Coney Barrett only descended in part.

32:29

Right. In fact, all nine justices agreed

32:31

on this, which probably the administration is

32:33

not such a big fan of, although

32:36

they are crowing about this being a

32:38

victory. What happened? This is the, this is

32:40

the, I'm sorry, what is the name of the

32:42

act? The Alien, Alien Act. Okay. The

32:44

Alien Enemies Act, which is this very

32:46

old law that on wartime footing, you

32:48

could take people and deport them with

32:50

an expedited process, which the

32:53

administration attempted to use on

32:55

Venezuelaans. claiming that they were

32:58

part of Trenda Aragua, which they

33:00

had designated as a terrorist organization.

33:02

This was like, therefore a wartime.

33:04

It's tantamount to an invasion. By this

33:07

gang. Yeah. Okay. So they do that

33:09

and they admit that at least one

33:11

of these guys, they wrongfully deported because

33:13

he had a protection order

33:15

issued during or protection status,

33:17

issued during the former Trump administration, that

33:19

did not allow him to be deported

33:22

to his home country of El Salvador

33:24

and in fact he needed to go

33:26

through a process and be sent somewhere

33:29

else. Okay, so they messed up with at

33:31

least one. And this goes to the Supreme Court

33:33

to judge whether the district court

33:35

has the right to stay these

33:37

proceedings, to temporarily restrain the Trump

33:39

administration. There's a lot of

33:42

specific legal terms. I'm not going

33:44

to get into them. But the Supreme Court

33:46

ruled basically all nine said these people

33:48

even under this act deserve Notice

33:50

that they're being taken out of

33:53

the country and the ability to

33:55

appeal it because otherwise you're not hitting

33:57

your due process requirements.

33:59

However... The five who ruled

34:01

with the administration said These

34:03

Proceedings have to happen

34:05

in the place of the detention.

34:07

Yeah, you cannot forum shop essentially,

34:10

which is what the ACL you

34:12

did and ended up with Justice

34:14

Bozburg in the DC circuit court

34:17

You have to do it where you are.

34:19

It's a habeas Process. It has

34:21

to happen at the place of

34:23

detention. So it does seem to

34:25

restrict Where these folks will be

34:27

able to appeal in the future The

34:29

ACLU knew exactly what they were doing.

34:32

Right. Right. And this is why, as you

34:34

said, they shopped it around. They knew

34:36

places like the District of Columbia would be

34:38

ideal for that. And obviously the

34:40

Trump administration knew in some of

34:42

these cases, if you want to talk

34:44

about the Kale Mamu Kale case where they

34:47

moved him down to Louisiana from New York.

34:49

They know what's going on. I mean, they

34:51

understand that. But right, there's,

34:53

there's still a level of due process

34:55

for these individuals according to the

34:58

court. Where do you litigate the habeas

35:00

rights and it's at the place of

35:02

origin? But they cannot, but they're also

35:04

right that you can't, you know, planes

35:07

on its way, a judge doesn't have a power

35:09

to turn the plane around. Well, and this

35:11

would seem to limit in the future

35:14

exactly how much forum shopping people

35:16

can do, exactly how much delay they

35:18

can put into this process. The Supreme

35:20

Court requires a reasonable notification, so

35:22

we will see how much the

35:24

administration tries to. press its luck

35:26

on that, or how many lefty

35:29

lawyers the left can muster to

35:31

do individual hearings for all of

35:33

these people because I have a

35:35

fair amount of confidence that they

35:37

could flood the system pretty easily

35:39

with all of their copy and paste briefs

35:41

and going before, even in the places

35:43

of the detention, they could go up the

35:45

marks there. Right. And again. That's for good

35:48

reason because sometimes you send somebody who shouldn't have

35:50

been sent like which is the case of the

35:52

guy who went to the El Salvador in prison

35:54

and then they were like now we can't bring

35:56

him back and I believe they've been ordered to

35:59

bring him back now. a very interesting

36:01

case. He came here when he was

36:03

young and suppose the story is

36:06

that he was pressured to join

36:08

a gang in El Salvador, in

36:10

El Salvador, Barrio 18. Let's say

36:13

Ocho. Look at you. That's the Ocho.

36:15

You got it. You got it. Yeah.

36:17

And and and and and any

36:19

flat. But during the time that

36:21

he's in the United States,

36:23

there was some interaction

36:26

with MS-13 and during a bond

36:28

hearing, some other person on the

36:30

witness stand identified Garcia

36:32

as a member a high-ranking member

36:34

no less of MS-13 and that he

36:36

even had a nickname and that Garcia

36:39

didn't necessarily push hard back against those

36:41

and he was denied bond at that

36:43

time based on that information yeah so okay

36:45

I could see that this is hazy he may

36:48

or may not be sounds like he has

36:50

some sort of an affiliation but the

36:52

government or the the courts recognized that

36:54

he would be in danger if he got

36:56

sent back to El Salvador because of

36:58

gang retaliation. Yes. So there was a

37:00

withholding of removal that was placed on him,

37:03

which is do not, might send him to

37:05

Venezuela, ironically, but you can't send him

37:07

back to El Salvador. Yes. The rule on

37:09

that is that you have to go to

37:12

court and say we're revoking this withholding of

37:14

removal and we are sending him elsewhere. You

37:16

can't send him to his home country. But

37:18

this is, by the way, a protection order

37:21

granted by. during the time of the

37:23

former Trump administration. Yeah, the 2019, I

37:25

think. That's right. And the administration,

37:27

this is the other problem is

37:29

if the administration fully admits it

37:31

was a quote administrative error and

37:33

a quote oversight, but that they're

37:35

not going to bring him back. That's

37:37

that's that's just not a good thing.

37:39

Is it all of these cases, many

37:42

of these cases could be hazy? Are

37:44

they this or that? I understand that

37:46

the Biden administration perhaps intentionally overwhelmed the

37:48

system so that we could. get to

37:50

a point where it's very hard to

37:53

remove people in the numbers that you

37:55

need to remove them, right, including gang

37:57

members. However, when it's hazy, we

37:59

have a... process for figuring out and

38:01

you have to mount evidence and you

38:04

have to do these things. That doesn't

38:06

change the fact that he was here

38:08

illegally and I think the country has

38:10

a right to kick him out of

38:13

the country. Right. It's all... As Caroline

38:15

Leavitt mentioned very early on in the

38:17

administration, they're already breaking the law that

38:19

we've gotten into our minds that that

38:22

is not an illegal thing and if

38:24

Kamala Harris were still president it would

38:26

not be. It would not be... No,

38:28

so he was he was he was

38:31

here... He came here illegally, he was

38:33

here for many years illegally, he was

38:35

then granted this thing, which you can

38:37

override with a court proceeding. But yes,

38:40

this is the pickle that the Biden

38:42

administration got everyone in with the 10

38:44

million entrance over the last four years,

38:46

which make it very hard. From time

38:49

to time, Mary Catherine, I think to

38:51

myself, and we just went on a

38:53

whole rant on tariffs, right? You and

38:55

I very much free traders by nature.

38:58

And I understand, you know. This is

39:00

all very short-term. Things can get better.

39:02

The market seemed to be going up

39:04

where we were recording this. Fine. People

39:07

come, countries coming to the table. Countries

39:09

that didn't have problems are coming to

39:11

the table. Israel which had zero tariffs

39:13

on us. Things like that. Netanyahu was

39:16

here yesterday and he's like, he gets

39:18

it. He was like, oh, we're going

39:20

to fix that trade deficit, sir. That's,

39:22

yeah. He was like, I get it.

39:25

I see what's going on here. So

39:27

there are issues. And again with some

39:29

of our allies like Taiwan, right? But,

39:31

and people ask this in other places

39:34

as well, is it, would you be

39:36

better off or worse off if Trump

39:38

was not president, but it was president

39:41

Kamala Harris? What do you think? This

39:43

is one of the more spectacular cell

39:45

phones and shooting in the foot that

39:47

I have ever seen. I actually analogize

39:50

it to Biden because Biden's vice was

39:52

government spending. Yeah. And he didn't have

39:54

to do what he did when he

39:56

came in. He could have just let

39:59

the economy open back up again and

40:01

it would have done gang busters. But

40:03

he's like, nah, I gotta dump four

40:05

trillion in here. We gotta do it.

40:08

Yeah, not a. We got to, and

40:10

people don't go, stay home and we're

40:12

just going to give you money. So

40:14

he's, you know, he kicked off inflation

40:17

that way and handicapped himself as he

40:19

was already fairly handicapped literally, but you

40:21

know what I'm saying? And Trump, his

40:23

vice is tariffs. Yeah. And it turns

40:26

out these aren't reciprocal tariffs. They are

40:28

an attempt to fix the trade deficit

40:30

that may or may not be negotiable.

40:32

And you have what was like, probably

40:35

a pretty... like weakened economy to begin

40:37

with that maybe needed a little bit

40:39

more reset from the super inflation. Yep,

40:41

a little nursing. And then maybe a

40:44

nascent recovery on the way and then

40:46

you just stab it. That seems bad.

40:48

However, when you give me the option

40:50

of Harris and Biden who I don't

40:53

even think was president, and that is

40:55

the biggest. presidential scandal of my lifetime

40:57

even though the press does not recognize

40:59

it as such. Yeah then the crazy

41:02

guy who was actually elected is your

41:04

guy. I mean I think at the

41:06

end of the day number one we

41:08

all knew he said it's not like

41:11

surprise I was a big free trader

41:13

during the campaign and now I want

41:15

tariffs. No he said it's said a

41:17

big free trader during the campaign and

41:20

now I want tariffs. No he said

41:22

it and he's doing it. But he

41:24

also was president before. and didn't do

41:26

this. Right, he didn't. So it was

41:29

a calculated risk from some, one more

41:31

thing on the scotus thing that, of

41:33

course, a lot of people are going

41:35

after ACB for citing with the lefty

41:38

judges. As I said, she only sided

41:40

with them in a couple of points.

41:42

Basically what this amounts to is that

41:45

the dissenting justices wanted this to percolate

41:47

through the lower courts. Yeah. It did

41:49

not percolate. It went to the Supreme

41:51

Court. The Supreme Court said, nah, the

41:54

district court doesn't have the right to

41:56

do it. This should have happened elsewhere.

41:58

And she disagreed with the method by

42:00

which they were taking that on, and

42:03

the timing in which they were taking

42:05

that on, if my understanding is correct,

42:07

it was part of the dissent. procedural

42:09

issue to some degree. It's not like

42:12

she's like, yay, gangs forever. That's not

42:14

how the Supreme Court works. Read the

42:16

things. Also, I would just note on

42:18

this subject when it comes to these

42:21

things with the process that we go

42:23

to and the percolating and the giving

42:25

at time. You know where there was

42:27

no percolating or process at the border?

42:30

Yeah. From 2020 to 2024. So I

42:32

will be rejecting lectures from those who

42:34

were happy to disregard the process entirely.

42:36

The anguish in the tears now versus

42:39

a couple years when it was, what,

42:41

over 300,000 people crossing the border? Because

42:43

they don't care about process. They care

42:45

about who they care about open borders.

42:48

That's what they care about. And we're

42:50

at, you know, so on the one

42:52

hand, something like, I mean, look, you

42:54

take the good, you take the bad.

42:57

Somebody accidentally gets sent to El Salvador.

42:59

It's a problem. We just talked about

43:01

that. They should bring them back. On

43:03

the other hand, if this was a

43:06

Harris administration, they'd all still be here,

43:08

including the leader of MS-13, would still

43:10

be in Woodbridge, Virginia. Right. Right. And

43:12

everything would be flying. And now we're

43:15

down to what? Haven. Haven for MS-13.

43:17

I don't know. It's like 6,000,000. border

43:19

crossings recorded versus a hundred thousand. Yes.

43:21

It's remarkable. Well, and this is the

43:24

important part about the immigration stuff. On

43:26

this, more than the economy, voters will

43:28

give him so much leeway. Yeah. So

43:30

much. Now that doesn't mean that I

43:33

think that everything he does is right,

43:35

but politically speaking, he has a ton

43:37

of runway here. Right. For the amount

43:39

of time and energy devoted to immigration

43:42

now, the deportations now and forcing them

43:44

to really... defend. In a lot of

43:46

times, trendiiragua, you know, the left is

43:48

being forced into this position, of course.

43:51

You never heard and you continue to

43:53

never hear from the left, Lake and

43:55

Riley, no, you know, Nungra. They don't

43:58

care about that. Just, Jossa Nungra, yeah.

44:00

Not important. All right, we have an

44:02

update on the signal. Oh, right. Yes.

44:04

Which that story really faded. You got

44:07

to believe that Hegg Seth and Waltz

44:09

were like, oh, yeah, deliberation day. Put

44:11

that up next week. That sounds good.

44:13

This could be part of the playmary.

44:16

Let's do that instead of talking about

44:18

signal. Nobody's talking about. Nobody's talking about

44:20

it. No, but we do have an

44:22

answer, perhaps, for how Jeffrey Goldberg's phone

44:25

number got into the phone of Mike

44:27

Waltz. It was sucked into my phone.

44:29

He said, we're going to investigate this.

44:31

We're going to figure out how this

44:34

happened. And we were all kind of

44:36

like, hmm, I mean, did you just

44:38

meet Jeffrey Goldberg and put him in

44:40

your phone and maybe things got a

44:43

little mixed up. But there is a

44:45

plausible explanation for this. That is correct.

44:47

And it was reported in the Guardian,

44:49

so it was to them. In the,

44:52

I guess it was during the first

44:54

Trump administration, or it might have been

44:56

during the Biden administration, when the Atlantic

44:58

published published the Atlantic published the article

45:01

about Trump. having a hatred towards those

45:03

who were in military, military, military service.

45:05

Suckers and losers, that story. Yeah, suckers

45:07

and losers. Needless to say, the administration

45:10

was up in arms and upset. Yes.

45:12

There's nobody named in this story. And

45:14

Brian Hughes, who worked for Trump at

45:16

the time, the campaign or whatnot, had

45:19

reached out to Mike Waltz, who was

45:21

then a congressman of Florida. A spokesperson

45:23

for their national security and military affairs.

45:25

That is correct. And asked Waltz to

45:28

reach out to... Jeffrey Goldberg, it's set

45:30

the record straight about how Trump is

45:32

a staunch supporter of the military and

45:34

this would be coming from somebody like

45:37

Mike Walsh, who has multiple bronze stars,

45:39

is a green beret, I mean, it's

45:41

just unimpeachable. Waltz ended up not talking

45:43

to Jeffrey Goldberg's cell phone in the

45:46

text, which then becomes Brian Hughes's cell

45:48

phone. according to the Guardian. And if

45:50

I may, I still, no, I still

45:52

think this is a real boneheaded mistake,

45:55

obviously. But the thing where he said

45:57

it got sucked into my phone, it

45:59

may have. If he has an iPhone

46:02

and that text was sent with a

46:04

number that had a phone number in

46:06

it, your iPhone might say to you,

46:08

and this is why you shouldn't trust

46:11

the robots, might say to you, suggested

46:13

contact update, Brian Hughes, this number. That

46:15

seems to be what happened here, and

46:17

that Brian Hughes now is the spokesperson

46:20

for... the National Security Council, who would

46:22

have been a person who might have

46:24

been on this list to begin with.

46:26

And the number was Jeffrey Goldberg's, but

46:29

was paired up with Brian Hughes's name.

46:31

This happened, Mary Catherine, it happens more

46:33

often, you think. This happens to be

46:35

all the time with massage parlors and

46:38

other services. I said, well, how did

46:40

that get in there? What else is

46:42

a number? It makes me want to

46:44

go through every contact I have. Sorry,

46:47

what have you done? Right. Who have

46:49

you added? Honest, no, honest to goodness,

46:51

I'm willing to give them the benefit

46:53

of that one. That seems plausible. I

46:56

told you about my phone having different

46:58

faces to different numbers in the first

47:00

place. That scenario seems, having different faces

47:02

to different numbers in the first place.

47:05

That scenario seems plausible. It does not

47:07

negate the fact that they messed this

47:09

up. Yeah. How are we making sure

47:11

it doesn't happen again? Yeah. I haven't

47:14

heard that. Have we found the setting

47:16

on our iPhone that says don't suggest

47:18

contact updates to me? Because we should

47:20

find that. Because you know what? It

47:23

does say suggested. You'll say that. This

47:25

is what I'm saying. Don't trust the

47:27

robot. You had something else that you

47:29

wanted to talk about that I was

47:32

not prepped on, but I thought I

47:34

always can wing it anyway. There are

47:36

two quick things. One, the dire wolves

47:38

are back. Okay. This is from a

47:41

company called Colossel Bioscibiosciences. Okay, private. private

47:43

company. That sounds like something created by

47:45

Michael Crichton. Mm-hmm. Dyerwolves went extinct about

47:47

12,000 years ago at the end of

47:50

the last ice age weighing around 150

47:52

pounds. They were about twice the size

47:54

of today's gray wolves. Dyerwolves roamed both

47:56

North and South America praying on ancient

47:59

horses, camels, sloths, and bison. Sloths never

48:01

stood a chance, man. Oh gosh. Oh,

48:03

that means they could climb trees? Ooh,

48:05

no like! The colossal bias of science

48:08

is the private company aiming to bring

48:10

back from extinction the woolly mammoth announced

48:12

today that it had produced three dire

48:15

wolf pups using genetic editing and cloning.

48:17

This is Reason magazine reporting on this.

48:19

The researchers at the company extracted and

48:21

sequenced the genomes of dire wolves from

48:24

a 13,000 year old tooth from Ohio

48:26

and a 72,000 year old skull from

48:28

Idaho. So this is just Jurassic guard.

48:30

This is the amber. The researchers then

48:33

made 15 key edits in gray wolf

48:35

genomes to more closely match the genomes

48:37

of dire wolves. The nuclei of the

48:39

edited cells were then inserted into the

48:42

inucleated dog eggs that were installed in

48:44

the wombs of surrogate mother dogs. I'm

48:46

not loving all of this. Not loving

48:48

it. The result was the birth of

48:51

four dire wolf pups. One died 10

48:53

days after birth. setting right the world.

48:55

I'm just kidding. The two six-month-old male

48:57

pups are named Romulus and Remus after

49:00

the founders of Rome who were raised

49:02

by wolves. The two-month-old female is Kalesi,

49:04

a title from Game of Thrones. Oh,

49:06

come on down. Wrong family. Snow. You

49:09

gotta go with the, you know, yeah.

49:11

Starks. Starks. Starks. Aria. What's what I'm

49:13

madest about, actually. Is the crossing of

49:15

the families. You know, you know, I

49:18

mean, The meme, the Jeff Goldblam meme

49:20

from Jurassic Park is out there now,

49:22

but it's totally true, which is getting

49:24

so excited that you can do something,

49:27

you didn't stop to think if you

49:29

should do something. You should do it.

49:31

I'm not so sure about it. It's

49:33

pretty scary. Wolves are scary in the

49:36

wild, let alone a dire wolf. Well,

49:38

these wolves have thick, white. coats, which

49:40

will make them. They had their chance

49:42

to survive. And the fun thing about

49:45

that is it's going to make a

49:47

bunch of rich, crazy people want to

49:49

buy dire wolves, because they do look

49:51

really cool, if only for that. No,

49:54

I think just to have as pets.

49:56

Oh my gosh. They have thick white

49:58

coat, they're bigger than gray wolves, with

50:00

more powerful shoulders, wider heads, larger teeth

50:03

and jaws, and muscular legs. So it's

50:05

just like the pit bull of wolves?

50:07

Yes. Sorry to the pit bull owners

50:09

out there. that came out a horror

50:12

movie one of those teen slash kind

50:14

of horror movies called Frozen before Disney's

50:16

frozen so you may end up getting

50:19

the wrong movie if you look into

50:21

this and it was about these you

50:23

know teens or 20s whatever they're on

50:25

a ski lift and they they jump

50:28

on right because they want to go

50:30

for free right and they hop on

50:32

and because oh nobody's around and what

50:34

they don't realize it's the last one

50:37

of the day and the person way

50:39

back at the resort at the resort

50:41

shuts down They and they're going to

50:43

be stuck there and it's a three-day

50:46

weekend and they're going to freeze to

50:48

it because it's really really cold and

50:50

no one can hear them So then

50:52

the three of them have to figure

50:55

out how to escape it does not

50:57

go well Okay, all I have to

50:59

say is wolves and there's an un

51:01

there's like the director's cut you see

51:04

everything and if a regular wolf can

51:06

do that stuff to you forget about

51:08

it forget about it. Did they mentioned

51:10

saber-toothed tiger? No, just a wo bring

51:13

back the cute ones like a dodo

51:15

yeah bring back the dodo there's a

51:17

lot of birds I'm a bird person

51:19

a lot of birds a lot of

51:22

birds currently the wolves are living on

51:24

a private 2000 acre facility that I'm

51:26

sure is very secure guys at an

51:28

undisclosed location in the northern United States

51:31

some native nations have expressed interest in

51:33

and eventually providing land where dire wolves

51:35

can once again roam freely probable to

51:37

solvers now I I saw the cover

51:40

of the time magazine piece on this

51:42

and I thought that is the kind

51:44

of thing that would be on the

51:46

magazine rack as a magazine rack as

51:49

a as the newly introduced female lead

51:51

is buying like nail polish remover and

51:53

a lipstick at the CVS. Yeah. And

51:55

then and that's the signal that later

51:58

she's going to be using. her nail

52:00

polish remover to fight feral dire wolves.

52:02

Like that's that's how that goes down.

52:04

If you're concerned about what we're going

52:07

in this direction, do you know the

52:09

best way is to put the kibosh

52:11

on it? Have Elon Musk invest in

52:13

the company. Oh my gosh, this is

52:16

a terrible idea. This is a terrible

52:18

idea. Okay, one last thing. Yeah, and

52:20

then I have one last thing. So

52:22

you go. Okay, one last thing. Yeah,

52:25

this is going to be. I'm currently

52:27

working as an advisor. with the Public

52:29

Labor Union Accountability Committee. That's Pluack. That's

52:32

right. And they... Not to make you

52:34

confused with Whoak. We are doing work

52:36

to make sure that people know about

52:38

how you get hosed by public labor

52:41

unions because the thing about that is

52:43

that like the Randy Wine Gardens of

52:45

the world, when you feel like they're

52:47

negotiating against you, it's because they literally

52:50

are. Yeah. Because public labor unions, which

52:52

FDR himself opposed for this reason... are

52:54

not like private unions that negotiate with

52:56

a company that creates something and profit

52:59

from which they can take parts of

53:01

to create their benefits. No, they're arguing

53:03

with the government, which creates nothing, and

53:05

when they collectively bargain, they do it

53:08

with your money, and then they get

53:10

all these benefits with your money, and

53:12

then they use your money to do

53:14

more work, to get more benefits, to

53:17

elect more Democrats, to pay for all

53:19

of their political actions. So, you can

53:21

stay tuned to my Twitter. X at

53:23

MK Hammer or at PLUA committee. Thank

53:26

goodness for them that they have you.

53:28

I know, we're doing stuff. This is

53:30

great. We're getting the word out. And

53:32

one last thing. Keep Randy Weingarden mad.

53:35

That's right. And one last thing, Mary

53:37

Catherine. We talked about Sunny D. The

53:39

drink. Yes. And there was some back

53:41

and forth among listeners. some who really

53:44

pro and some who are very against.

53:46

Yeah, and yeah, pro. And other, like,

53:48

Sunnydale or bust, right? Somebody mentioned five

53:50

alive, which is a great one. But

53:53

somebody else who was like, this is

53:55

like, you know, it's terrible for people

53:57

with diabetes, the whole deal. Sunnydale is

53:59

now being acquired by a Guatemalan conglomerate.

54:02

for one and a half billion dollars,

54:04

the concomer is called Castillo Hermonos. Not

54:06

to be confused with Los Poyos, Hermonos.

54:08

Yes. They say that their plan is

54:11

they want to expand the base. What

54:13

is the base of sunny day? Who's

54:15

sunny these drinkers? That's what I want

54:17

to know. I think only when you

54:20

add alcohol do you earn back the

54:22

old millennials that you had. Yeah. Because

54:24

I did buy a six-pack of the hard

54:26

sunny day. But I'm not, I'm not going

54:29

to do it the regular kind. No, I

54:31

was going to say the base. Clearly Canadian

54:33

will have a talk. Yeah, no, I was

54:35

thinking that the base is 13 year olds

54:37

from 1985. Yeah. Did you see? Yesterday I

54:40

believe was the anniversary of the introduction of

54:42

the Ecto cooler. Oh, yes. Yes, I do.

54:44

It was a riff on ghostbusters. Yes, we

54:46

used to drink and eat some nasty stuff.

54:49

It was, so it's a product from high

54:51

sea. I'm old enough Mary Catherine I remember

54:53

I came in a can and you had

54:55

to do the can opener where you open

54:57

up the top yeah but then you had

55:00

to open up the other side with a

55:02

little hole so that because that's physics that's

55:04

physics yeah Elon Musk if we get an

55:06

interview with Elon we can ask him about

55:09

that it's how it works the original name

55:11

of the octocular citrus cooler aid really yes

55:13

and then ghostbusters came around and they changed

55:15

it's definitely a good old good old flavor

55:17

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