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Hello, everyone, and welcome to another episode

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of Getting Hammered. I am your host, Mary

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-Catherine Hamm. I'm here with your, my, my,

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your co -host, and mine, Vic

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Mattis of the Washington Free Beacon. We're

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your morning show for any hour. I

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am a little bit overcaffeinated and underprepared,

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because it is no longer Lent, and

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I've gone back to my bad habits,

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and I'm just guzzling that coffee. It's

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fine. I did it for the 40

0:35

days, mostly. Anyway. How's

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it going? Vic, we got a lot of news to talk about

0:40

and we'll get to that. I'm doing just fine,

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Mary Catherine. Not only is it no

0:44

longer Lent, it is May. It

0:47

is. So Happy May, which is why it's

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very warm out there, which is why I'm

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dressing in what clearly looks like the IT

0:53

guys outfit. It's a gray

0:55

polo. Whereas I am wearing a black

0:57

long sleeve shirt. Yes. But it's North

1:00

Carolina. It's not quite yet. Well,

1:02

and it's like a light long sleeve shirt.

1:04

But I do have, I went with slides

1:07

today because it's It's becoming that time. That's

1:09

the thing. Yes. I mean, you're from North

1:11

Carolina. Not in North Carolina. North Carolina is

1:13

already very warm. But for you, you're still

1:15

in that mode. So that's one thing. And

1:17

the other thing is I'm very excited because

1:19

this, as you know, marks the beginning of

1:22

AAPI month. Oh. The Asian American

1:24

Pacific. How did I not have this on my

1:26

calendar? Islander, you've got to mark that down. I

1:28

am looking forward. to all

1:30

of my discounts at P .F. Chang's and Pan

1:32

Express. You don't know about that? I'm sorry,

1:34

we're not supposed to talk about that. ancient Chinese secret. And

1:39

it's also Jewish American Heritage Month. And you

1:41

don't see much of that. They used

1:43

to have signs like even at Starbucks

1:45

for can't believe you guys have to

1:47

share it. That's

1:49

our plight. For both

1:51

crews, I think that's unfair.

1:54

It is. And I'll be

1:56

curious how much celebrating of... We're gonna be

1:58

talking about some other topics later, I

2:00

think, about Harvard and such, but how

2:02

much a Jewish American celebration can you

2:05

outwardly have in light of the atmosphere

2:07

that we're in? But that's what's going

2:09

on with me. And I was wondering,

2:11

what is your... Sorry, I was gonna

2:13

say, what is your time of the

2:15

month? Sorry, what is your month? This

2:19

is the second again second episode the

2:22

week little money. Whoo. Sorry. What is

2:24

my month? Yeah, what would your month

2:26

be to be celebrating because you know

2:29

everybody has a month You know what

2:31

the women's history month is March and

2:33

March is Sorry March is kind of

2:36

a crappy month Weather

2:38

wise. Weather's terrible. Everybody's

2:40

sort of bummed out because we haven't quite

2:42

hit spring. Although I have

2:44

heard some people make the argument,

2:46

and I am not totally averse

2:48

to it, that spring is the

2:50

worst season because of the allergies

2:52

and the uncertainty and its inability

2:55

to be one thing. It

2:57

is. It's an identity Pick a brand. It's

2:59

an identity crisis. Spring is. Although I used

3:01

to love spring because I didn't have allergies

3:03

and my birthday was in spring, so that

3:05

was. So I guess my month would be

3:07

April, because it's my birthday month. So I'm

3:09

going to just choose that one. It's slightly

3:11

better than March. Yes. And if you're in

3:13

the south, nicer weather. Not here. I would

3:15

have figured whatever his national ham month would

3:17

be. We can look it up. Your thing,

3:20

yes. can find out. How are you? What's

3:22

going on? I'm good. Actually, the

3:24

kids are learning to babysit. The older ones.

3:26

The older ones babysitting the younger ones, not

3:28

other kids' babies. So usually we do this

3:30

when the babies are asleep. By the way,

3:32

did I check the laws in my state

3:34

before I said anything about this out loud

3:36

on a podcast? Yes, I did. Virginia doesn't

3:38

have an age. Statutorily.

3:41

OK. For supervision. Usually we

3:43

do this while the little kids are sleeping.

3:45

But we do want to give them some

3:47

practice supervising them while they're awake, which is

3:50

a challenge. They are two and three. They

3:52

are minimally self -destructive, I would say, and

3:54

also tough, right? So like a bonk on

3:56

the head is not going to be the

3:58

end of the world. And my

4:01

girls have a lot of experience being around them

4:03

in general or supervising them when we were upstairs

4:05

or downstairs. So we feel like we're in a

4:07

good place for giving them some practice. So the

4:09

other day, we were out for like an hour

4:11

a half and they handle it. And

4:13

my 11 -year -old

4:15

is not particularly interested

4:17

in babysitting, but she's

4:19

interested in pay. She's

4:22

interested in that part. always a

4:24

great motivator. My second is very

4:27

maternal, very driven, very... what wants

4:29

to be she told she tells

4:31

me she wants to be a

4:33

babysitter's club teen not a rebellious

4:35

teen That's what she's going for

4:37

babysitters club team. Yeah, and I'm

4:40

like just you hold on to

4:42

that goal sweetie. Yes, so She's

4:44

there and then a little too

4:46

right. All right And this is

4:48

that night. No, no, no, it's

4:51

during the day. So and everybody's

4:53

close by so Steve comes home

4:55

to a sheet of paper that

4:57

says notes and all caps and

4:59

under it written by the nine

5:01

-year -old number of times Three

5:04

-year -old girl or note one

5:06

number of times youngest sibling boy

5:08

has a fit and it's like

5:10

three tally marks number of times

5:12

Three -year -old girl has a

5:14

fit five tally marks whoo girl

5:17

a Developmentally appropriate for her to

5:19

be a monster right now or

5:21

she's a phase number of times

5:23

older sister gets distracted three tally

5:25

marks So she's

5:27

monitoring everybody you got data you

5:30

need data she got data, okay,

5:32

so and number of times that

5:34

potty training three -year -old went

5:37

potty too Wow This in an

5:39

hour and a half. This is

5:41

a very promising babysitter. Yeah, okay,

5:44

also She's gonna be a terrible

5:46

hellish boss someday so watch out

5:48

for that right. No, she's doubt

5:51

fire work for her. She might

5:53

be at Doge working 85 hours

5:55

a week, sleeping on the Treasury

5:58

Department floor. Actually, we could

6:00

probably put her there now. Is there a rule against

6:02

that? Anyway, fantastic job by the

6:04

kiddos. Everyone did great. My

6:07

oldest did well also.

6:10

I shaved one off the tattletale tally because I

6:12

feel like she's probably pumping up those stats a

6:14

little bit, you know? Like, look at me. Yes,

6:18

yes. Does she understand those sort

6:20

of the... of tattletail and things

6:22

like that. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh,

6:24

yeah. They're big on tattletail. Oh,

6:27

okay. I've always wondered about the

6:29

ethics of that because I am

6:31

kind of like, do

6:33

I need to hear about this? Yeah. And

6:35

also, sometimes it's the correct

6:37

move. It's hard to know where that line

6:39

is. They got to figure that out. But

6:42

the second who does the data collection is

6:44

pretty big on the tattletailing. Okay. Because

6:47

she always knows what's going on, which

6:49

makes for a valuable member of the

6:51

family team. For leadership, yes, exactly. She

6:54

knows how it works. Honestly,

6:57

that kid, that kind of

6:59

data is like, you could leave her with a newborn

7:01

for an hour and she'd be like, well, let me

7:03

tell you about the diapers and the feedings. Right. And

7:06

the other kids, I think they recognize

7:08

because as a designated babysitter, she has

7:10

that power to just do that. You

7:12

want to mark on your record? She's

7:14

got the power to put the mark.

7:16

By the way, that's a power she

7:18

just invented, right? She

7:21

shows initiative by keeping the

7:23

data, thereby creating a tool

7:25

of power to wield over

7:27

her siblings. Very clever. So

7:30

she hasn't had to do anything. Again, you're

7:32

just there in training. So she hasn't had

7:34

to worry about things like changing diapers. Yeah,

7:36

this is like, again, a very short period

7:38

of time. I'm surprised she doesn't change diapers

7:40

yet. I would have

7:42

imagined that she would jump in on that at some

7:44

point. She's like, nah, you guys continue to handle that.

7:47

That's fine. That's

7:50

fine. What a nice incompetence on the diapers.

7:53

But you're doing the right thing, which is

7:55

you've created this hierarchy now because you have

7:57

so many children that there is a leadership

7:59

thing that you can hand it down now,

8:01

a chain of command. And maybe we have

8:03

a little bit of a good cop, bad

8:06

cop situation at the top. So got two

8:08

different kinds of leaders. Anyway,

8:10

everyone seemed to have a great time. And I

8:12

have heard from Lenore Scanazzi, who is the free

8:14

range kid's mom, that moms and dads should brag

8:16

more often about the things they let their children

8:19

do independently. Alerts everyone

8:21

else in the society that you could

8:23

have your kids do these things independently

8:25

that it's okay We are proud of

8:28

them. They did a nice job. They

8:30

will continue to do a nice job

8:32

You know by like next month, they'll

8:34

be going on weekenders. Just little back.

8:36

We back on Sunday. Yeah, you can

8:39

handle it make ramen. All right That's

8:41

a big deal in the microwave. All

8:43

right More on our

8:45

celebration of AAPI month. Oh,

8:47

yes. Thank you. Thank you for the ramen reference.

8:50

You know what we should do? We

8:52

really should do some like grocery store

8:54

Asian food sampling during the month. Yes.

8:56

Okay. Well, let me just say this.

8:58

When we were visiting in Chicago, our

9:01

good friends, the Celigas, my

9:03

classmate, he's white. and

9:06

his wife is Filipino. And

9:08

so they have this, she wanted to do

9:10

the tradition, which is if you visit them,

9:12

you coming to see them, they give you

9:14

a gift to bring back, right? A gift

9:16

to bring back to your family, right? It's

9:18

Pasalubong, it's called. Gail is called

9:20

Pasabong. But anyway, it's Pasalubong. And it

9:23

was baked goods from a Filipino bakery.

9:27

And it's like bean pastes.

9:30

Kate is skeptical if she hasn't had them

9:32

yet. Oobay, Oobay is becoming a very popular

9:34

food. You're gonna see that's gonna be the

9:36

new thing in restaurants. I hear many good

9:39

things about using bakeries in particular. Yeah, yeah,

9:41

yeah. They're interesting, okay? I'm just saying they're

9:43

interesting. Okay. I'm listening. gonna

9:46

say. I'm happy to try. Yeah. We

9:48

actually have in Northern Virginia huge populations

9:50

of various different Asian cultures in Annandale

9:52

and Fairfax. Oh, yeah. And the eaten

9:54

is good. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. But

9:56

it's mostly the savory, so it's interesting

9:58

to have sort of the sweets. It's,

10:01

you know, The Filipinos are

10:03

interesting because it's kind of a mix

10:05

of some Chinese things, but also Spanish

10:07

things, which is why, you know, you

10:10

go to a bakery and it's a

10:12

panaderia. That's right. Yeah. By the way,

10:14

I took my kids to eat some

10:16

dumplings yesterday in Northern Virginia. The

10:19

babies, because I was like, they need to learn a little

10:21

bit. Maybe I was already

10:24

celebrating. Right. And they had

10:26

very different personalities for these two

10:28

kids. The girl, the

10:31

three -year -old. basically nothing. Like

10:33

I convince her to eat anything. The

10:36

boy, a spring roll, three different

10:38

kinds of soup dumpling, some

10:41

garlic green beans. He's just like

10:43

all over all of it. Yeah,

10:45

he did the full. I have

10:47

two adventurous eaters and two much

10:49

more picky eaters, which makes dinner

10:51

time so fun. Yeah,

10:54

it always ends up becoming chicken nuggets is what happens.

10:56

All right, we should talk about news. There's

11:04

some breaking news, which won't be as breaking

11:06

by the time you hear this. No, you'll

11:08

know much more. But it is interesting because

11:11

it is the first shake -up in the

11:13

Trump administration. That is that Mike Waltz, the

11:15

head, the National Security Advisor, is out along

11:17

with his deputy Alex Wong. These

11:19

are the guys who we like on policy.

11:22

Yeah, on policy. Waltz was a former Florida

11:24

congressman who left a seat a little bit

11:26

vulnerable to come to Congress. And the Republican

11:28

did win that race, but he will be

11:30

leaving to not a seat. anymore

11:33

as a result. He is the one who

11:35

was responsible for starting the signal chat

11:37

and adding Jeffrey Goldberg to the chat. We've

11:39

discussed that before. Hegseth was the one

11:41

who divulged more important information on that chat,

11:44

but he was the one who started

11:46

it. I kind of argued at the time,

11:48

if somebody's going to lose their job,

11:50

it should be him, even if I like

11:52

him. Now, I

11:55

will say, this is sort of the

11:57

worst of both worlds where you like

11:59

Had the bad story about signal for

12:01

a month. Yeah, and then the guy's

12:03

gone right and died down and I

12:05

think people I felt like people in

12:07

the media no longer cared about who's

12:09

gonna be held accountable for this as

12:11

they shouldn't care because if they didn't

12:13

care about Afghanistan much in terms of

12:15

Lloyd Austin or whoever nobody got fired

12:17

for that and if I think if

12:19

the media had if the media had

12:21

to choose they would choose Hexeth to

12:23

be Oh, yeah, not waltz totally. Yeah,

12:25

totally. So that's why I Before we

12:27

were taping in, you told me about

12:30

this news. I said that I smelled

12:32

an anti -neocon conspiracy. We shall see.

12:34

Because he's a good muscular, strong foreign

12:36

policy guy. And obviously, as you mentioned,

12:38

I mean, he's served his country. Yes.

12:40

You know, Green Beret, multiple bronze stars.

12:42

I am concerned about this

12:45

particular shift while Trump is

12:47

also continuing to toy with

12:49

the idea of this negotiation

12:52

with Iran. Yeah, and

12:54

actually meeting with Iran. Yeah, Iran is

12:56

Pardon the phrase naked before the world

12:58

when it comes to defenses right now

13:01

Yeah, and we are just chitty chit

13:03

-chatting to get another JCPOA Which is

13:05

the name of the right Obama deal

13:07

on Iran that Trump rightly. Yeah kicked

13:09

overboard as soon as he became president

13:12

in 2017 Yeah, and now it kind

13:14

of feels like they're toying with making

13:16

a similar deal again Yes, I kind

13:18

of I can't help but think that

13:20

Trump in his mind thinks who doesn't

13:23

want to make a deal, right? Yeah,

13:25

no one like who in the right

13:27

mind would be like Oh, I'm actually

13:29

driven ideologically to see the death of

13:31

Israel and maybe I'll try to fool

13:33

you into buying more time until I

13:36

can get more enriched uranium and then

13:38

launch my master, right, you know diabolical

13:40

plan but I think Trump has to

13:42

learn the hard way much like he

13:44

may end up learning the hard way

13:47

with you with Putin and the Ukraine

13:49

war that there are some people who

13:51

have other Sort of priorities.

13:53

Well, and that's where a deal that's

13:55

where again, I know Trump big Trump

13:58

supporters will not appreciate the comparison, but

14:00

it is a an Obama -esque Yeah

14:02

impulse right to want to make a

14:04

deal No matter what the deal is.

14:06

Yeah, and that in order to say

14:08

yes, I've done it again That's what

14:11

they did with Iran the first time.

14:13

They were like, oh my gosh, we'll

14:15

give you whatever Americans we don't need

14:17

those guys back. Yeah, just make the

14:19

deal with us and so I don't

14:22

like that impulse. I think he's less

14:24

inclined to it than Obama. But

14:27

I mean we are doing the maximum pressure

14:29

again on Iran while we're also talking to

14:31

them So that's better than the Obama years

14:33

where you're just handing pallets of cash to

14:36

them And certainly Israel has sort of a

14:38

free reign more of a free reign I

14:40

should say not totally in order to a

14:43

certain not not with Iran at the moment

14:45

But to pursue Hamas and get hostages back

14:47

so but time is of the essence while

14:49

they have lost their defense systems Yeah, I

14:52

have a limited amount of time in which

14:54

to act with the most Bang for your

14:56

buck. Right. And in fact, in a recent

14:58

interview, Trump actually said that, you know, he's

15:01

not going to be dragged into a war.

15:03

He may voluntarily join Israel in a war

15:05

against Iran. Right. And as our one of

15:08

our favorite Democratic senators, John Federman has said,

15:10

and he said it in telling our John

15:12

Levine at the Washington Free Beacon that negotiation

15:14

is pointless. We need to

15:16

or Israel needs to go and bomb

15:18

Iran now. That's John Federman.

15:21

I am often team Federman. Okay. Where did

15:24

he come from? So we got that going

15:26

on. We will have more updates on that.

15:28

There was also a little bit of breaking

15:30

news Not to throw in random things, but

15:32

there is news that Ukraine is going to

15:34

sign the mineral deal. Yes rare earths again

15:37

I guess this is just the Trump White

15:39

House and I should get used to it.

15:41

It's like really bad story for a month

15:43

and then back to the what should have

15:45

been the original plan of action from the

15:47

beginning at the beginning of the month, right?

15:50

So this is the one that, and

15:52

look, it's not all Trump. Much of

15:54

it was Zelensky and the dynamic between them.

15:57

But a month after the blow up in the

15:59

Oval Office, we now finally have this deal signed

16:01

that was supposed to have been signed three times

16:03

before they got to the blow up, or two

16:06

times before they got to the blow up in

16:08

the Oval Office, which was the third attempt to

16:10

sign it. Apparently now it's

16:12

a done deal. This could be

16:14

Mary Catherine Pope Francis' first miracle.

16:17

Because as you know, there's the famous

16:19

now iconic photo of Zelensky and Trump

16:21

meeting at St. Peter's. Like they pulled,

16:23

they looked like folding chairs. It was

16:25

a full up a chair and, you

16:27

know, probably near like where St. Gregory

16:29

is buried and then hashing it out.

16:31

And I bet you they talked about

16:33

this thing happening and it is about

16:35

the deal itself involves infrastructure investment and

16:37

getting profits in return from rare earth

16:39

minerals in order to so that there's

16:41

more of a back and forth in

16:43

the relationship between the United States. I

16:45

actually do think that will make American

16:47

voters feel better about the money that

16:49

goes out. What are we getting? I

16:51

hate to say what are we getting

16:53

out of it because what you're trying

16:55

to get out of it is trying

16:57

to stop in authoritarian regime but larger

16:59

than And I agree. And also, you

17:01

have to make the argument to the

17:03

American people, and this might be a

17:05

part that helps make argument. Hey, look

17:07

what we're getting in return, and as

17:09

a result, less dependent on China, on

17:12

certain rare earths. So

17:14

congratulations. Two month -long

17:17

stories, apparently reaching there. Yeah,

17:19

absolutely. All righty. We got to talk about the

17:21

Dems. Oh, yeah. We're going to do some Democrats

17:23

2028 talk. Sorry, I know it's so early, but

17:25

we got to do this. They're just fighting each

17:27

other in such ways. In the wilderness, as you

17:29

know. They're

17:32

such entertaining ways that they're screaming at

17:34

each other in public and then we're

17:36

gonna talk a little bit about tariffs

17:38

and the economy and We didn't talk

17:40

nearly enough about Canada. So we're gonna

17:43

do little bit of that at the

17:45

end Add those two Canada bits together

17:47

and that will be the correct amount

17:49

of Canada. I think okay So we

17:51

have a couple things going on David

17:54

Hogg Famous originally for being one of

17:56

the students at Parkland High School Who

17:58

then sort of parlayed that experience really

18:00

made media Profile and to being a

18:02

young leader within the Democratic Party saw

18:05

an opportunity and he seized it He

18:07

has a pack called the leaders we

18:09

deserve pack and after the 2024 loss

18:11

for Democrats. He was elected to DNC

18:14

vice chair. I Actually was thinking back

18:16

and I was like, do I know

18:18

who's been second in command at the

18:20

RNC in the past or is this

18:22

just because he's famous? Yeah, we know

18:25

who he is He

18:27

is the vice chair under is what

18:29

was named Ken Ken Martin Ken Martin

18:31

is what you should have at the

18:34

head of your party apparatus Which is

18:36

like kind of a boring operative guy.

18:38

Yeah, not stirring a lot of pots

18:41

Raising some money proficiently. That's what you

18:43

want hog is the opposite hog is

18:45

an Instagram celebrity type leader in politics

18:47

Who gets a lot of attention and

18:50

a lot of money from being as

18:52

extreme as possible contentious and is very

18:54

much playing into that need from Democratic

18:57

voters to be as controversial and left

18:59

-leaning as possible, to fight, fight, fight.

19:02

The problem is, he wants to fight

19:04

Democrats and he's at the DNC. He

19:06

wants to primary Democrats. No, what he

19:08

wants to do in order to, he

19:11

wants the Democratic Party to

19:13

be in a fit, trim,

19:15

fighting weight. And in order

19:17

to do that, you need

19:20

to have a purge. And

19:22

that's what he's doing is purging the

19:24

party. of the less pure elements in

19:26

order so that everybody is ideologically, we're

19:29

all on the same page and fired

19:31

up and getting rid of the old.

19:33

This is as much a generational issue

19:35

as it is an ideologically. But the

19:37

problem is that that new page is

19:39

not on the same page with centrist

19:42

voters, with independent voters. Let's not tell

19:44

him that. I know. I'm like, David,

19:46

do your thing, man. You

19:48

fight, fight, fight. So he

19:50

was elected to this position and

19:52

then he announces he's very open.

19:54

that his pack is gonna be

19:57

raising and spending money against incumbents

19:59

in primaries. Now, this is something

20:01

that happened in the Republican Party.

20:03

It's happened several times over in

20:05

my political memory, where

20:07

you have to go where the small

20:09

donors are, where the enthusiasm is, where

20:12

the grassroots are, and that place can

20:14

be out of place with the center

20:16

of the electorate. Again, this

20:18

would be a fine job for him

20:21

if he was at his pack. But

20:23

he's at the DNC. Right. So

20:25

someone who ran against him for the DNC

20:27

vice chair position has now come out and

20:29

said she's going to challenge him. Yes. Is

20:31

a Native American woman who says that the

20:34

diversity rules were violated by having let this

20:36

guy win. Yes. Which

20:38

I think is hilarious because the real reason

20:40

to oust him is because he's fighting against

20:42

your own party, but they can't admit that

20:44

part. Yeah. It's fitting

20:46

that the Democratic Party and the

20:49

DNC would have this sort of

20:51

internal struggle, all because of the

20:53

rules that they play by, which

20:55

is that, oh, you know, we

20:59

did not allow for sufficient

21:01

DEI, which to them is

21:03

still absolutely sacrosanct among somebody

21:06

of an indigenous population. Correct.

21:09

So that part's going on, that would happen

21:11

next month, which means they're going to continue

21:13

to have this fight in public for the

21:15

next month, because, or I think mid -month.

21:18

because Carville and Hogg are

21:20

now fighting each other. And

21:23

Martin has been on TV saying, I

21:25

wish Hogg wouldn't do this. And

21:28

I'm like, can you not pick

21:30

up the phone and talk to

21:32

him? And apparently he cannot. He

21:34

cannot be controlled. And so Hogg

21:36

and Carville went on Tara Palmieri's

21:38

Politico streaming show to talk about

21:40

some of this. And here's just

21:42

a little bit from that dust

21:44

up. I called on Joe Biden.

21:46

to drop out of the race

21:48

in 2022. Where

21:50

were you? Where was

21:52

the young, the young cool generation coming?

21:54

Did they step in there and say

21:57

something? I spoke out against the horrific

21:59

language of identity politics. Where

22:01

was everybody else? I said

22:03

we should have a contested convention. No one

22:05

else came here other than President Obama, who

22:08

was trying to call people on a date

22:10

as President Biden dropped out. So

22:12

if I'm just saying, I want

22:14

to beat Republicans. I don't want

22:16

to beat Democrats. That's my life

22:18

mission." So he's saying, I was

22:20

there doing the thing you say

22:22

we should do when it mattered.

22:25

Now, Carville, of course, like

22:27

hedged a bit on Biden's mental acuity, just

22:30

like everyone else did. But I do

22:32

think he was there before Hogg was. He

22:34

was there, certainly, on the identity politics before

22:36

Hogg. closer to the

22:38

center of the electorate than Hogg is.

22:40

And Hogg's just like, oh man, get out

22:43

of my face. This is

22:45

what we're doing. There's

22:47

a real face off later on they have

22:49

in that interview where finally Hogg is trying

22:52

to explain what he's trying to do. And

22:54

then he throws it back at Carville and

22:57

says, well, what's your plan? What's your plan?

22:59

And that's when Carville sort of loses it

23:01

and goes right up. You have to see

23:03

the video for this. It's quite terrifying. because

23:06

he almost loses his cool, he's

23:08

angry, and he looks like,

23:10

you know, many years ago, the Weekly Stated did

23:12

a James Carville cover story, and we kind of

23:15

made him look like a praying mantis, you know,

23:17

and he goes right up there to the screen

23:19

and he just says, when? Carville

23:21

has always had a look about him, and

23:24

he's very DGAF about his presentation

23:27

on TV. He's always wearing an

23:29

LSU T -shirt and a hat.

23:32

He's up in the... however

23:34

he wants to be. Angles

23:37

are not considered in the Carville

23:39

home when he's on TV. I

23:42

believe we have a little bit of that clip when we play. Oh boy. And

23:45

you said that members of the DNC should sue

23:47

him for doing this since David is a member

23:49

of the party leadership. He is the vice chairman.

23:51

I think he's a vice chair. Let

23:54

me be very specific. I think

23:56

it is nominal that an official

23:58

of a political party who is

24:00

being paid or supported by that

24:02

political party to go out and

24:04

raise money to defeat members of

24:06

the same party. I

24:09

think that's the jackassery of the highest

24:11

level. If you want to beat Republicans,

24:13

of which of course lefties never do,

24:15

they never even run against them, that's

24:18

one thing. I'm not into beating Democrats,

24:20

I'm into beating Republicans. And I just

24:22

will tell you right to your face.

24:25

I think it's abominable that you have

24:27

anything to do with the DNC and

24:29

you're going to go and raise $20

24:32

million to beat other Democrats. What is

24:34

your plan to deal with our abominable

24:36

approval rating? When elections, when elections? So

24:39

that's the tone. That's awkward.

24:41

Well, it gets even more

24:43

awkward because today, the

24:46

day after this aired, Carville

24:48

tweets just called David Hogg.

24:50

He reminded me of the

24:52

story of after the Battle

24:54

of Shiloh, Henry Hellick urged

24:56

President Clinton, Lincoln, Lincoln,

24:58

to fire Ulysses Grant. Lincoln said,

25:01

I can't fire him. This man

25:03

fights. David Hogg fights. The DNC

25:05

needs him. Wow. What happened? What

25:07

happened? What? Who spoke to whom?

25:10

Did somebody say, oh, by the way,

25:12

we have, you know... The Olds have

25:14

fallen. Yes, we have photos of you.

25:18

Now fall into line. I don't

25:20

know. This is very weird. Also,

25:22

David Hogg is comparing himself to

25:24

Ulysses S. Grant. Is that

25:26

right? I think that's correct. Okay.

25:29

Do we believe that Hogg knows that

25:31

historic reference or did Carville come up

25:33

with that to pat his own tweet?

25:36

Not even that. Not even that Hogg had

25:38

looked it up or somebody looked it up

25:41

for him use. Right, that Carville was like

25:43

That Carville just pulled it out himself. Let

25:45

me see if I can come up with

25:47

something for you. Young buck. It really kind

25:50

of depends on how The one who I

25:52

think knows Civil War history. It's Carville. Yeah,

25:54

80 year old dad vibes from the south.

25:56

Uh -huh. I Hate you, but it feels

25:58

like it. I think he is 80 isn't

26:01

he? Oh there. Come on. There's no way

26:03

there's no way James Carville is 80. No,

26:05

he looks 80 Mary Catherine. He's probably in

26:07

Okay, well that's true that cuz Clinton is

26:10

getting up there and he's 80. What?

26:12

He's 80 Wow,

26:15

that's like telling me that I'm

26:17

oh my gosh. Okay. Okay. Here's

26:19

the thing though for for David

26:21

Hogg Things might work out if

26:23

he sticks this out, right? Because

26:25

typically the party in power let

26:27

alone having control of both the

26:29

Senate House Technically and the White

26:31

House usually does not do well

26:33

in the midterm, right? That is

26:35

traditionally what happens. They'll lose in

26:37

Congress. And right now, as we

26:39

know, the Republicans have a very

26:41

tenuous hold in the House. Right.

26:43

So they may hold on in

26:45

spite of his antics. Right. And

26:47

the second thing is he can

26:49

gain seats among Democrats in the

26:51

House because, and maybe the

26:54

Senate, because of the pushback against Trump

26:56

and Tariff, not because they the energy

26:58

of the party, right? And the energy,

27:00

not because of anything remarkable. that the

27:02

Democratic Party itself has been doing in

27:04

the last two years. So

27:07

if he sticks it out, he'll

27:10

be able to brag insufferably

27:12

that he did that. But

27:14

also beware the wrong people

27:17

being rewarded by a traditional

27:19

midterm shift because what saved

27:22

Joe Biden? What saved

27:24

Joe Biden was that 2022 wasn't as

27:26

bad as people thought it would be

27:28

for Democrats. And so he decided

27:30

to stick around because he was like, look, this

27:33

wasn't a red wave. Look

27:36

what happened. David Hogg can

27:38

do the same thing if you get a

27:40

traditional sort of move during the midterms. And

27:43

then he goes, look, I didn't ruin it

27:45

with my lunacy. Let's stick with the gender

27:47

ideology. And that is why in

27:49

2028 he will push for Alexandra Ocasio

27:51

-Cortez and Chris Van Hollen as her

27:53

running mate. By the way, I looked

27:55

it up recently. I think it's within

27:57

April or March. the Cook Political Report

27:59

battleground of assessment. There

28:02

are about 18 battleground house,

28:04

like toss up house districts. And

28:06

there are five Senate seats that

28:09

are flippable or, you know, in

28:11

the range. The problem

28:13

with doing what Hog wants to do is

28:15

that it's just a math problem. You

28:18

end up with a certain number of resources

28:20

for a certain number of races. And if

28:22

you expand the number of races by knocking

28:24

out a reliable incumbent, Somewhere

28:26

and having to install someone new who's

28:28

gonna goof up who doesn't have all

28:30

their baggage out there yet? Yeah, you

28:32

are going to end up having to

28:35

spend more money and have more problems

28:37

with these races like a Shackowsky in

28:39

Illinois who is that Illinois, right? Yeah,

28:41

who is? Finding the door

28:43

Probably because of the signals. She's getting from

28:45

hog. She's like, I am getting on up

28:47

there like let me take my leave same

28:50

with Dick Durbin now I think his elections

28:52

reelection is later, but These folks

28:54

leaving does leave you. Yes with

28:56

opportunity Jerry Connelly in Virginia. Yeah,

28:58

but yes with opportunity, but also

29:00

with challenges. Yeah, particularly when The

29:02

colleges which we're gonna talk about

29:04

have been training not Center of

29:06

the electorate good leaders for the

29:08

young Democratic surge. They've been training

29:10

psycho anti -seminic right socialists as

29:12

we know Still thank goodness most

29:14

of this country has its senses

29:16

about them And it's not got

29:18

a completely hard left but they're

29:21

in that little bubble and I

29:23

think another thing that the more

29:25

David Hogg the more time David

29:27

Hogg spends with people like AOC

29:29

the more he thinks it's perfectly

29:31

plausible because look she primary Joe

29:33

Crowley and beat him well in

29:35

New York and look how well

29:37

she's doing as a socialist so

29:39

why not in other places well

29:41

and to be fair to the

29:43

left when it looks at the

29:45

playing field yeah it sees Donald

29:48

Trump having gone the exact

29:50

opposite direction of the autopsy

29:52

of the 2012 Romney race,

29:54

right? That's right. The the

29:56

the prescription was go forward

29:58

and be nicer. Mm -hmm.

30:00

Turns out that's not what

30:02

worked, right? And so

30:04

they look at that and they go

30:06

like why don't we be meaner? Like

30:09

they don't understand that they're already super

30:11

mean and condescending, but like why don't

30:13

we be meaner? Like he deserves it.

30:16

He's the worst. We'll just be super

30:18

mean and super lefty and people will

30:20

like us and that will work Some

30:22

people will but I do think that

30:25

the problem for Democrats is that the

30:27

country's Gut like centrist ish center -right

30:29

position is closer to Trump's crazy than

30:32

AOC is crazy. Yeah That's that's the

30:34

difference and you have to be able

30:36

to just convince the electorate that you're

30:38

the more normal or the less crazy

30:41

in the sense and right now Trump

30:43

would be would win if it's him

30:45

versus her They lost a character argument

30:47

to Donald Trump Like this is yeah,

30:50

I don't know because they could not

30:52

say that women that men should not

30:54

be able to play in women's and

30:57

because they lied about Biden By the

30:59

way, Newsom is just saying this week,

31:01

speaking of 2028, we'll go through the

31:03

leaders. California Governor Gavin Newsom

31:05

on his own podcast said that he knew

31:08

within seconds of the debate starting that there

31:10

was a problem with Joe Biden, and what

31:12

did he do? He was the number one

31:14

spin guy in the spin room afterwards, and

31:17

for the weeks after that, and he lied

31:19

to people. And that's why.

31:22

People don't trust them. Yeah. Same thing with Elizabeth

31:24

Warren, by the way, when she got asked, remember

31:26

those... Oh my gosh, we didn't play that on

31:28

the show. We should probably play that. did. Man,

31:30

oh man. Oh my gosh. It's like legendary now,

31:32

and we should have hit it on the show.

31:34

But let's see. Yeah, this

31:36

is fantastic. It's about a minute long. Here

31:39

we go. Do you regret saying that President

31:41

Biden had a mental acuity? He had a

31:43

sharpness to him. You said that up until

31:45

July of last year. I

31:48

said what I believe to be true. And you

31:50

think he was as sharp as you? I

31:55

said I had not

31:57

seen decline. And

32:01

I hadn't at that point. You did

32:03

not see any decline from 2024 Joe

32:05

Biden to 2021 Joe Biden? Not

32:08

when I said that. You

32:10

know, the thing is,

32:13

look, he

32:16

was... he was

32:18

on his feet. I saw him

32:20

live event. I had meetings with

32:22

him a couple of times. Senator,

32:24

on his feet is not praise.

32:28

He can speak in sentences is

32:30

not praise. right, fair enough, fair

32:32

enough. Look, it

32:36

is, the question

32:38

is, what are we gonna do

32:40

now? Okay. Can

32:43

I can I say this you know what

32:45

the question is like, you know what the

32:48

question is like? It's like, you know, you

32:50

said that Darth Vader killed my father Well,

32:52

he did in a manner of speaking. Yeah,

32:54

anyway, it's so awkward. It's so awkward This

32:57

shows a couple things one how seldom Democrats

32:59

get tough questions. Yeah, because it had from

33:01

a lefty It had not even occurred to

33:03

her that she might have to answer this

33:06

and then a couple times in the clip

33:08

if you watch the clip you see her

33:11

shuddering with barely concealed laughter at

33:13

the ridiculousness of the idea that

33:15

this man would be sharper than

33:17

her. But she can't

33:19

laugh, laugh, because that would give away the

33:22

game. Do you remember during the rallies, by

33:24

the way, that we're kind of on a

33:26

tangent here? That's fine. what

33:29

the Friday shows what the Friday shows for.

33:31

When Joe Biden finally said that he's not

33:33

going to run for a second term. And

33:35

everyone and the Democrats insisted that he made

33:38

that decision on his own for the good

33:40

of the country. And then they would have

33:42

these chance. Thank you, Joe. Thank you, Joe.

33:44

And like in the crowd, in the rallies,

33:47

and he's not there sometimes. I just want

33:49

to say thank you for your service. an

33:51

80s bully with his head over the toilet

33:53

bowl. Like, I'm so glad you've made this

33:56

decision of your own free will. Thank you

33:58

for the swirly. Blessing him in the swirly.

34:00

OK, that's how that went down. OK, shall

34:02

we play a little bit of, let's do

34:05

JB Pritzker next. Oh, yeah. who is the

34:07

Illinois governor. interesting one. Always a popular choice,

34:09

definitely. He's an Illinois

34:11

kind of guy. Definitely

34:13

an Illinois kind of guy. Here he is

34:15

with his pitch on what the Democratic Party

34:18

should be. Never before

34:20

in my life have I

34:22

called for mass protests, for

34:24

mobilization, for disruption, but

34:26

I am now. We

34:48

will fight their cruelty with every

34:50

megaphone and microphone that we have.

34:52

We must castigate them on the

34:54

soap box and then punish them

34:56

at the ballot box. So

35:01

the whole thing about like harassing Republicans in

35:03

restaurants and forcing them out of the restaurants

35:05

or not serving them. peace, right. Yeah, is

35:07

that back in again? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

35:09

They don't consider that like a violation of

35:12

the civic code at all. You're

35:14

just getting what you deserve. They

35:16

also don't consider whether their rhetoric might

35:18

lead psychos to do such things to

35:20

Republicans, even though we repeatedly have incidents

35:22

where plots are broken up against the

35:25

president of the United States. Or Supreme

35:27

Court justices for that matter. Or Supreme

35:29

Court justices. Also, when he said castigate,

35:31

I was like, what did he say?

35:35

Castigate. You really need to. Annunciate

35:38

that word because the Democratic Party has a

35:40

little bit of a thing for the other

35:42

word So you got to be careful with

35:44

that look I think They're stuck because the

35:47

answer has to be for their base fight

35:49

right right right right now about that base

35:51

because they're angry and They think that they're

35:53

they have no control which they kind of

35:55

don't except for having these tantrums and lands

35:58

well and they They have a ton of

36:00

openings, which we're gonna talk about next but

36:02

like on tariffs and on the economy. They

36:04

have openings. What do they do? They go

36:07

to El Salvador. They don't go

36:09

to the ports of the United States of

36:11

America and expound about the costs to daily

36:13

life for Americans. That's because they really like

36:15

tariffs and they always have. It really puts

36:18

them in a really interesting situation. Because also

36:20

if the tariffs don't work out, then they

36:22

get to blame Trump for it. But if

36:24

they do, they're like, oh, I guess they

36:26

got what we wanted. Anyway, instead they go

36:29

to El Salvador. That's their play. So

36:31

I think they're not taking advantage of the places

36:33

where they should fight. Okay, let's

36:35

go to Tim Walz and then Kamala.

36:37

Here's what Tim has to say in

36:39

his evaluation of his own performance and

36:42

the campaign's performance during 2024. He's at

36:44

the Harvard Institute of Politics talking about

36:46

this. I knew I was on the

36:48

ticket. I would argue because

36:50

we did a lot of amazing progressive things

36:52

in Minnesota that improved people's lives. But

36:54

I also was on the ticket quite honestly,

36:57

you know, because I I could code talk

36:59

to white guys watching football, fixing their

37:01

truck, doing that, that I could put them

37:03

at ease. I was the permission structure

37:05

to say, look, you can do

37:07

this and vote for this. And you look

37:10

across those swing states, with the exception of

37:12

Minnesota, we

37:14

didn't get enough of that. Yeah, it didn't work is

37:16

what he's saying. Man. I

37:18

appreciate the honesty. he's saying

37:20

the quite part out loud, which is

37:22

Democrats struggling to figure out how to

37:24

talk to this large swath of voters,

37:26

what we hate to acknowledge exist, which

37:28

is, you know, generally white

37:30

men and men in general. But I

37:33

guess we kind of need them in

37:35

order to win elections still. The problem

37:37

is that Tim Walsh is what they

37:40

thought Midwestern masculinity looks like. Yeah. And

37:42

look, there were a few moments at

37:44

the beginning of his being introduced to

37:47

the race where I was like, okay,

37:49

he could, he could like, be that

37:51

person. He's sort of an affable speaker.

37:54

Turns out he wasn't very capable beyond

37:56

that and once he got asked hard

37:58

questions things got bad and he also

38:01

does not exude. Normal

38:03

masculinity. He just doesn't know and

38:05

then when they try to make

38:07

make him look tough like when

38:09

he's going you know duck hunting

38:11

or whatever thing was honey for

38:13

geese It was very Elmer flood

38:15

like or it's like to caucus

38:17

in the tank Also, you know

38:19

who doesn't you know what guys

38:21

don't say while they're fixing their

38:23

truck permission structure. Yeah That famous

38:25

tweet where he said AOC and

38:27

he and AOC can run a

38:29

mean pick six. Can you? Can

38:32

you is that in the playbook? That's not that's

38:34

not a play anyway Do you remember influencers? We're

38:36

trying to go out there and convince You know

38:38

voters that this guy was what they thought was

38:40

normal even though they themselves did not consider that

38:43

they don't like normal They don't like normal and

38:45

and what they said to this guy as a

38:47

football coach y 'all better just Republicans just yeah,

38:49

I think they just saw football coach and they

38:52

were like cool cool cool Let's run with that

38:54

and it didn't work that part of part of

38:56

the reason it didn't work is because they have

38:58

to convince Men because it's

39:01

not like Trump is the picture

39:03

of normie midwestern masculinity, right? Yeah

39:05

from Queens kind of person. He's

39:07

from Queens. a super

39:09

rich dude He lives a very different

39:11

lifestyle. You know what he communicates that

39:14

he doesn't hate dudes. Yeah That's what

39:16

he communicates. Right. He does not have

39:18

this, you know, this disgust for. It's

39:20

like Trump did that interview at a

39:22

barbershop, I think, in New York, you

39:24

know, and... He's comfortable with dudes. By

39:27

the way, this is just indicative of the Democratic

39:29

Party's problems with this, is that... They need to

39:31

find a person who does exude this and one

39:34

of the people that The New York Times has

39:36

been profiling energetically twice in six months is Hassan

39:38

Piker, who is a Twitch streamer who has like

39:40

millions and millions and millions of yours. I've watched

39:42

quite a bit of him because it's, we watch

39:45

Twitch in our house and during the election it's

39:47

interesting to see what the other side is saying

39:49

so I would watch Hassan. I

39:51

didn't realize this until I read The New York

39:53

Times profile on him. He's Jink Juggers nephew and

39:55

he got his start on the young Turks. I

39:57

assumed he was just like a self -made man,

39:59

but he admits being a bit of a Neppo

40:01

baby. Neppo pod baby?

40:04

Yeah. Here's the problem. He

40:07

is masculine. He's very good looking. He

40:09

likes sports. He likes video games. He

40:11

likes weapons. He seems like a person

40:13

who is authentically into these things. So

40:16

he's like their Joe Rogan hood. They're

40:18

trying to find. This is where they're

40:20

trying to find. want him to be

40:22

the guy. The problem is he's pretty

40:24

extreme. I don't want to de -platform

40:26

the guy, but we should be honest

40:28

about the stuff he says. And this

40:30

is the problem with the Democratic Party.

40:32

If he's your guy, he's casting doubt

40:34

on sexual violence from October 7th. He

40:36

is saying... 2023 in Israel. Right. He's

40:38

saying out loud, we deserve 9 -11.

40:41

He's saying he has no problem with Hezbollah.

40:43

Like, these are just things he said. In

40:46

the New York Times profile, there's like one

40:48

glancing mention of the fact that he's controversial,

40:50

and that's it. Oh, and I

40:52

believe the headline had changed too, wasn't it?

40:55

Oh, no, the headline can't read the headline,

40:57

hold on. Please do. The headline on the

40:59

New York Times. The original headline. is Hassan

41:01

Piker, a progressive mind in a MAGA body.

41:04

MAGA body being fit, and if you're

41:06

not MAGA, you look like, I don't

41:08

know what. It's such a cell phone

41:10

to write code being hot and fit.

41:12

Yeah. Is that what we're doing

41:15

now? Yeah, well, at least to think of MAGA

41:17

that way, that's kind of a compliment. Coruscant is

41:19

just lifting weights like a normal person, and he's

41:21

like, that gave me MAGA body? Are you guys

41:23

kidding? It's like a Chris Hughes body? I don't

41:25

know. Is that his name? Who is

41:27

that? Chris Hayes. Chris Hayes. Chris Hughes.

41:29

Oh, sorry. Chris Hughes is a Facebook guy.

41:32

Yes, correct. I'm sure he's in good shape.

41:35

Anyway, maybe don't write code that. I

41:37

mean, I'm fine with me. Just like

41:39

David Hogg, do your thing, write code

41:42

being fit. It's all fine with me.

41:44

Anyway, those are their two poles. Yeah,

41:46

that's what they think. Versus Walls Hogg

41:48

on one side and then, that's not

41:50

how I grow on the other one.

41:52

Anyway, okay. Lastly, we have, last but

41:55

probably least, we have Kamala Harris speaking

41:57

to Emerge, which is a group that

41:59

works to elect women to office. Got

42:01

its start in California but went national

42:03

after that. Let's just remind everybody why

42:05

she didn't win. In

42:09

fact, please allow me, friends, to digress

42:11

for a moment. OK. It's

42:14

kind of dark in here, but I'm asking

42:16

a show of hands. Who saw that video

42:18

from a couple of weeks ago? The one

42:20

of the elephants at the San Diego Zoo

42:22

during the earthquake? Google

42:26

it if you've not seen it. So

42:30

that scene has been on my mind.

42:33

Everybody's asking me what you've been thinking about these days. So

42:40

in the video for those who haven't seen

42:43

it, here those elephants were. And

42:46

as soon as they felt the

42:48

earth shaking beneath their feet, they

42:51

got in a circle

42:53

and stood next to

42:55

each other to protect

42:57

the most vulnerable. Well,

43:00

and as we know, the elephant is the

43:02

official mascot of the Democratic Party. Oh, no,

43:04

sorry. That would be the Republicans. Wow.

43:08

That was only a minute of her speaking.

43:11

She cannot read a

43:14

room. It is... Wowza.

43:16

I will say this

43:18

again, and we're, you know, we're

43:21

getting pretty tough on the president and the policies and

43:23

things like that. We call it like we see it,

43:25

but, you know, especially when it comes to things like

43:27

foreign do that next on the terrace. Yeah, wait to

43:29

brace yourself for that one and foreign policy. We

43:32

could have had four years of this.

43:34

I know. We could have had it.

43:36

Would you have made it through four

43:38

years of that? I'm not so sure.

43:40

It's hard for me to watch a

43:42

minute. Yeah. It's hard. Yeah. And it's

43:44

hard for everyone else too. I think

43:46

the party largely wants to move on,

43:48

not necessarily in the hardcore leftist David

43:50

Hogg sense, but certainly from the old

43:52

guard and they have to lump her

43:54

in it because she lost. Yeah. But

43:56

I guess she is a player. In

43:58

the for the race for the governor's

44:00

race not for the presidential race people

44:02

think that she's gonna run for governor

44:04

She might even be for the presidential

44:06

race because in the polling because she

44:08

has a hundred percent name ID now

44:11

which they gave her Yep, they did

44:13

with all those billions of dollars over

44:15

those that short campaign Because she has

44:17

a hundred percent name ID. She's gonna

44:19

rise to the top now This can

44:21

cause a snowball effect, which is people

44:23

keep seeing her at the top and

44:25

going Well, she's the one, right? People

44:27

who are casually involved in politics, and

44:29

it doesn't occur to them that maybe

44:31

she's... She's the one, dot, dot, dot,

44:33

who lost. But she's raising money. There's

44:35

a dinner gala where some of the...

44:37

As high as $44 ,000 a plate

44:39

to be Kamala Harris. Hey, sign me

44:41

up. Here's a quote given anonymously to

44:43

NBC News. You tell me why this

44:45

needed to be given anonymously. Are you

44:47

ready for Yeah. Very candid stuff. There's

44:50

a clamoring for her voice right now.

44:52

No one can better prosecute the case

44:54

while inspiring a call to action than

44:56

the former vice president. Cool.

44:59

I see it's unnamed because they're too embarrassed to

45:01

actually get their name down. But you would think

45:03

it's the other way around. Like, I want her

45:05

to know that. But no, I don't want anyone

45:07

to know that. I mean, if that were true,

45:10

she would be president. Yeah,

45:12

it's not true. Right. So anyway, that's

45:14

what is before them. I

45:16

look forward to the continued fighting. Emerge,

45:19

by the way, I looked up and it seems

45:21

like an organization which This is sort of fitting

45:23

for Kamala Harris to make her big reentry at

45:25

The Merge. It's a group that

45:27

seems to have just like some high

45:30

level donors and not a lot of

45:32

news coverage since about 2018. And I'm

45:34

not really sure exactly what's going on

45:36

over there. Very short Wikipedia history. One

45:40

very elitist leader at the top

45:42

of it who was like, who

45:44

started her career as the right

45:46

hand woman to the Esprit founder

45:49

and Democratic. politics donor.

45:51

It's like, yeah, that makes sense.

45:53

Okay. That's how you connect. Esprit?

45:56

Esprit. As in the esprit? The

45:59

clothing brand esprit? Yes, so the woman who

46:01

runs this organization got her start as the

46:03

right -hand woman to that Oh, got it,

46:06

got it, got it. Anyway, I'm sure they'll

46:08

be right, just wooing the Midwesterners and the

46:10

Southerners all over the place. I haven't heard

46:12

that name in years, esprit. Esprit. I bought

46:14

a pair of esprit shorts the other day

46:16

at the store. You mean there's still... Oh,

46:19

at the thrift store. They

46:21

were genuinely, like, 1986 style. Okay,

46:23

if you find any guests, denim

46:26

jackets, let me know. I'll see what I can do.

46:28

I'm always on the lookout. Okay, we do want to

46:30

talk a little bit about the economy and the tariffs.

46:33

Yeah. So we got

46:35

the report on the first quarter

46:37

of 2025, gross domestic

46:39

product, and it showed a contraction.

46:41

Yes. It declined for the first

46:43

time in three years. The

46:46

last three years have not been

46:48

super robust. We've had minor growth

46:50

at best, often revised downward each

46:52

time. I do want to say,

46:54

as always with these reports, I will

46:56

await the revision to see what's there, because

46:58

that will be interesting. It

47:00

is hard to lay everything at the feet

47:02

of the guy who just took office in

47:04

January for this entire quarter. However,

47:07

as I've said in the past, Trump

47:10

did the one gigantic thing that

47:12

could make him. the guy who

47:14

can take the fall for anything

47:16

bad that happens, which is this

47:18

giant Liberation Day announcement and all

47:20

of the forecasting that that was

47:22

what he was going to do

47:24

up until then. So a couple

47:26

things. One is, you're right,

47:28

he didn't take office until later in January,

47:30

right? That's the first thing. The second thing

47:32

is Doge has been, you know, A lot

47:35

of the shrinkage in the GDP, not a

47:37

lot, but some of it has to do

47:39

with government spending less. So

47:41

that's technically a good thing. I'm not

47:44

mad at that part. No, no, same.

47:46

So that was inevitably going to happen.

47:48

However, to call it as he's been

47:50

trying to call it Biden's stock market

47:52

or Biden's quarter, that sounds like Putin's

47:54

price hike. Well, you remember how it

47:56

was not Biden's stock market. in December

47:58

and January when things up. He was

48:01

causing things to happen before he was

48:03

president. And now that he's president,

48:05

other people are causing things bad to happen. You

48:07

see that's how it is. You also see a

48:09

slow in consumer spending, which is not great for

48:11

the future. You also see, and this

48:13

is, again, while it's important

48:15

to understand the context, this is self -inflicted

48:18

by Trump. A lot of

48:20

it came from a bunch

48:22

of imports that came in

48:24

to escape tariffing. everyone

48:26

basically ramped up their imports super

48:29

high to get stuff into the

48:31

country before he could slap tariffs

48:33

on everything. And in the

48:35

GDP, that is calculated as a loss rather

48:37

than a gain, which I think is like,

48:39

it's a weird how they do the GDP.

48:42

That will probably look very different in

48:44

the revision, or that will be given

48:46

more context in the revision, or it

48:48

might not look the same next quarter.

48:50

Almost certainly not, because we're doing the

48:52

tariffing. So that's part of it as

48:54

well. But. It ain't great. No,

48:56

I think it's the first time that

48:58

the economy shrank like this since maybe

49:00

2022. I think they're saying I could

49:02

consumer confidence is down. That's another problem.

49:04

I mean people are still spending but

49:06

there is a panic because they want

49:08

to get as many things as possible

49:10

before these import tariffs come in and

49:12

it's real by the way because these

49:14

container ships, you know, it takes a

49:16

long time for them to get through

49:18

from China, right? So they're on their

49:20

way either the coming through whichever and

49:22

our friend John McCormick pointed out recently.

49:24

just about to go there. I'm so

49:26

glad you're doing No, no, no. You

49:28

want to, you want to, okay, no.

49:30

Well, he pointed out in the dispatch

49:32

that a company, just to take one

49:34

example, a company like Turner Hydraulics, parts

49:36

coming in from China and they were

49:38

prepared to pay in tariffs alone $49

49:40

,000, right? Just to say for this

49:42

one company and those are 25 %

49:44

tariffs. But of course then Trump shot

49:47

those tariffs straight up and suddenly before

49:49

these products are arriving, Turner

49:51

Hydraulics is now prepared to go

49:53

from $49 ,000 to having to

49:55

pay $84 ,000 in tariffs. That

49:58

puts them in a very difficult position if

50:00

you're a small company. They're

50:02

hoping before it arrives into port

50:04

that then Trump smooth changes again

50:07

and he's talked about lowering the

50:09

tariffs and Scott Besant has talked

50:11

about it. So maybe that'll happen

50:13

and everything will work out okay.

50:16

But so much of the uncertainty and

50:18

Has to do with well has to

50:21

do with the president being uncertain or

50:23

something We don't know what he's gonna

50:25

say or do from day to day

50:27

I think also what people sometimes miss

50:29

who are supportive of these things is

50:32

that there is damage done during the

50:34

uncertainty Yes, like not necessarily all of

50:36

those losses come back and there are

50:38

individual businesses that like this that do

50:40

play a price There's also capital investment,

50:42

which will sit on the sidelines if

50:45

they are not sure what the rules

50:47

of the game are and I

50:49

listened to Jameson Greer who's the US

50:52

Trade Representative last night on Brett Baer's

50:54

show and I was encouraged by the

50:56

number of people he says he's meeting

50:58

with and at the pace at which

51:01

he's meeting. So with India, with Korea,

51:03

with, you know, all these different countries.

51:06

And he's doing these meetings very quickly and he says the

51:08

more aggressive they want to be, the more aggressive we want

51:10

to be. He is correct that

51:12

there are unfair trade practices. I

51:14

would prefer we sort of try to

51:16

isolate China mostly focused on China and

51:18

you know, not be at war with

51:20

the entire world on trade while we're

51:22

trying to do that. However,

51:24

there are things I'm sure that can be adjusted for

51:26

the better. But we're

51:29

a month into this, and he has

51:31

160 bilateral free trade agreements to do.

51:33

So I need, we need pen to

51:36

paper. Yeah, I've heard as much as

51:38

200 deals, right? You gotta do 200

51:40

deals. mean, I'm being conservative because he

51:42

declared tariffs on all of these guys.

51:46

I looked at the numbers last night,

51:48

and this one should be pretty scary

51:50

for the White House, which is, this

51:53

is Gallup. Most U .S.

51:55

adults, and when they say most U .S.

51:57

adults, they really mean it. 89

51:59

% think tariffs are likely to result

52:01

in higher prices on the products they

52:03

buy. This sort of

52:06

correlates to what was people's

52:08

number one concern during the

52:10

election, which was, in many

52:12

cases, particularly battleground states, inflation.

52:15

Right. What we want is Trump won

52:17

economy. That's what we have fond memories

52:19

of. Can you bring inflation down? And

52:22

instead, you're seeing opposite numbers and that

52:24

that again, Trump is obviously very aware

52:26

of this because he truths on this

52:29

a lot and says, this is short

52:31

term pain. Be patient in all

52:33

caps. You know, stick with me. This is all

52:35

going to work out for the best. I

52:37

hate quoting. John Maynard Keynes,

52:40

but you know his line is in the

52:42

long term. We're all dead, right? You know,

52:44

I mean it's the short term that we

52:46

take up pummeling well the polling also shows

52:49

that Americans are willing to give him a

52:51

couple months Basically on this by the way,

52:53

I should say in that 89 % obviously

52:56

are many Republicans who are just like yeah

52:58

now they're more willing to take a couple

53:00

months of Adjustment or even more. Yeah Like

53:02

the average American, I looked up the numbers,

53:05

but there's a very small portion of Americans

53:07

who are willing to do more than three

53:09

months of pain. Right. For this vision. Right.

53:12

I mean, it's trying to figure out what

53:14

that threshold is. It's not long and, you

53:16

know, look, we're in May already. Yeah. We're

53:18

just talking about this. Well, it's been a

53:21

month. When this comes out. Right. It will

53:23

have been a month since Liberation Day. Since

53:25

Liberation Day. No deals yet. He's

53:27

totally going to break news and sign something before this runs

53:29

tomorrow. Probably. Maybe India. Okay, but here's

53:32

the other thing. Did you catch his line? of

53:34

the other day about the dolls. Yeah, actually, can

53:36

we play that? Let's play it. Why

53:38

don't you speak to President Xi of

53:40

China? That'll happen.

53:42

Look, right now, and I told

53:44

you before, they're having tremendous difficulty

53:46

because their factories are not doing

53:49

business. They

53:51

made a trillion dollars with Biden, a

53:53

trillion dollars, even a trillion won with

53:56

Biden selling us stuff. much of it

53:58

we don't need. You know, somebody said,

54:00

oh, the shelves are going to be

54:02

open. Well, maybe the children will have

54:05

$2 instead of $30, you know. And

54:08

maybe the $2 will cost a couple of

54:10

bucks more than they would normally. But we're

54:12

not talking about something that we have to

54:14

go out of our way. They have ships

54:16

that are loaded up with stuff, much of

54:18

which not all of it, but much of

54:20

which we don't need. And

54:23

we have to make a fair

54:25

deal. We've been ripped off by

54:27

every country in the world. But

54:29

China, I would say, is the

54:31

leading, the leading one, the leading

54:34

candidate for the chief ripper offer.

54:36

Chief ripper offer. Who's getting

54:39

30 dolls? No one.

54:42

You know what? I'm my follower. Indeed,

54:44

who has 30 dolls? OK, all right.

54:46

I'll be President Trump and say, what

54:48

kind of dolls are you talking about?

54:50

Go ahead, ask. You

54:53

want me to tell you what of... No, no, no. You ask

54:55

me as a price and beat Trump. Oh, what kind of dolls

54:57

are you talking about? They're really cheap ones. American girl. Sorry.

55:01

Okay, so look, I am sympathetic to

55:04

the idea that we could stop in

55:06

particular with the birthday party arms race

55:08

of Chinese plastic crap that comes back

55:10

to my house after every single one

55:13

of these events. Agreed. I

55:15

spend a lot of time throwing that stuff out of

55:17

my house. Yeah, it's not good. Now...

55:19

I am a person who has

55:22

resources to get my kids more

55:24

than one doll, right? Also

55:27

sympathetic to the argument that they have more than

55:29

they need often, right? Yes. However,

55:31

an argument about enforced scarcity from the president

55:33

of the United States, that by the way,

55:35

let's go down the scale. Someone has less

55:38

money than I do, someone has fewer resources

55:40

than I do, and they can only afford

55:42

one doll for their kid right now. Right.

55:44

What about when it goes to zero, right?

55:47

Like, this is not a good argument and

55:49

Don't make the argument about

55:52

kids toys. It's perfectly positioned

55:54

to tug heart strings. Let's

55:56

do it about something else. Do it about

55:59

Gen Z's T -MU or something. Maybe that's not a good

56:01

idea, either, because the Gen Zs are going to be like,

56:03

well, now we're mad about our T -MU. Anyway. They

56:06

don't vote for it. They don't for think this is a

56:08

winning argument, is point. No, no. Yeah, he should have targeted

56:10

T -MU and Shine. That would have been the thing to

56:12

talk about. Don't talk about the dolls. OK.

56:14

Anyway, he's treading on dangerous ground, I

56:16

think. and he's got a couple months

56:18

to really get some stuff moving here,

56:21

or else it goes downhill pretty fast.

56:23

Because a lot of people made a

56:25

deal with him that, yes, he talks

56:27

about the tariffs all the time. I

56:30

was just thinking, he won that argument with the American

56:32

people, like they were like, sure, okay, yeah, you talk

56:35

about tariffs all the time. It may not be an

56:37

argument he wins with the global economy, right?

56:39

And they will be mad about

56:42

that because they imagined Trump won

56:44

economic. situation. And that was

56:46

really good. Yeah. We didn't even do Harvard.

56:48

No, we got it. You got to make

56:50

a choice here, Mary Tatham. Why wind it

56:52

up now or are we leaving one? You

56:55

must choose one. Harvard or Canada. Who are

56:57

you going to choose? Do we have to

56:59

leave Canada on the cutting room floor again?

57:02

Your choice. Let me let me do

57:04

a tiny bit of Canada in this

57:06

way because it's related to this subject.

57:10

Trump's trolling of Canada, which I know everybody got

57:12

a kick out of. Many people got a kick

57:15

out of. Basically, I thought it was funny for

57:17

like one dinner when Trudeau came down to Mar

57:19

-a -Lago and was called Governor Trudeau. Ha ha

57:21

ha, 51st state, moving on. That's where we should

57:23

have been. Because we didn't

57:25

stop there, now the

57:27

lefty won in Canada. Eliminating

57:30

a 20 -point double -digit

57:33

lead the conservative. This

57:35

is why Trudeau left in the first place. I

57:37

know Trudeau's got to be kicking himself

57:39

right now, right? Like he had no

57:41

idea he was going to be delivered

57:43

by Donald Trump. He thought he was

57:46

going to get trounced. So anyway, the

57:48

lefties in office now, Pierre Polyov, who

57:50

was a very promising figure, lost his

57:52

own seat, will not be prime minister,

57:54

would have been certainly a better partner

57:56

for Donald Trump than the lefty prime

57:58

minister, who is incentivized solely fight

58:01

with Donald Trump. So any of that

58:03

tariff stuff you're trying to negotiate with

58:05

Canada? Now much harder. Right. So I

58:07

think when you are attempting to own

58:10

the libs, you got to think about

58:12

whether you're owning the libs by allowing

58:14

them to win control of a giant

58:16

country that is your neighbor, who you're

58:18

trying to make deals with. I said

58:20

this briefly on the last show, and

58:22

I still think there's some truth to

58:25

this, which is, I think in a

58:27

really weird way, Trump would prefer Mark

58:29

Carney to be the leader a foil,

58:31

you think? Yes, he wants a foil.

58:33

He wants could he he did their

58:35

poly of is a foil in a

58:37

different way. Yeah, because people would be

58:40

like intellectual right and conservative and somebody

58:42

who's going to turn around the Canadian

58:44

economy and maybe Trump wants that Canadian

58:46

economy continue to go down the toilet

58:48

right when talking about the deficit spending

58:50

and carnage you know climate alarmism so

58:52

he's not going to be boosting anything

58:55

with related to fossil fuels and therefore

58:57

He can continue to make the argument that

59:00

Canada is doing so poorly. Why don't you

59:02

have a referendum and ask them? Wouldn't they

59:04

rather be a part of the United States

59:06

is the 51st state because I'm telling you

59:08

Mary Catherine I don't think this is a

59:11

joke people now. It's a fun. I don't

59:13

think it's I think it's Greenland This is

59:15

continuity's theory our friend Matthew Kennedy thinks that

59:17

Trump sees himself as a president who should

59:20

have some expansion yes, US territory on his

59:22

right Ledger, he's not a neo he's not

59:24

a neo con but he's kind of a

59:26

neo imperialist Yeah, and he like he looks

59:28

looking at the globe and he does imagine

59:31

as I did as a 13 14 year

59:33

old into sort of that kind of you

59:35

know politics and looking way and she'll like

59:37

playing axis and allies I won't tell you

59:39

what country but looking at that and he's

59:42

thinking you know the same thing how beautiful

59:44

it would look you know this fake border

59:46

removed etc. I like borders I

59:50

signed on partly for the borders. Yeah.

59:52

No. Okay. We got to do at least

59:54

a mention of Harvard. Let's do it. We

59:57

actually can, there's a 300 page

1:00:00

report that came out of Harvard

1:00:02

about its anti -Semitic issues on

1:00:04

campus. It's pretty devastating. You can

1:00:06

give us a few low lights if you would

1:00:08

like, but let me just say that I think

1:00:11

the whole problem is exemplified without having to read

1:00:13

the 300 page report. It took

1:00:15

them a year and a half

1:00:17

to do this. Since October 7th

1:00:19

2023 when this problem became really

1:00:21

really glaring and the open secret

1:00:24

is basically if you're visibly Jewish

1:00:26

or wearing anything Notating noting that

1:00:28

you probably aren't safe on an

1:00:30

Ivy League campus right now and

1:00:32

Harvard is the leading among those

1:00:34

So they do this big studies

1:00:36

300 pages long They also did

1:00:38

a study on Islamophobia to release

1:00:40

at the same time because they

1:00:43

cannot simply face up to the

1:00:45

idea that they have a unique

1:00:47

problem with anti -Semitism, they must

1:00:49

do a mostly made -up report

1:00:51

on the other side that has

1:00:53

a bunch of students saying, yes,

1:00:55

I do feel like I would

1:00:57

be discriminated against for my views,

1:01:00

while on the other side of

1:01:02

the ledger with Jewish students, it's

1:01:04

like concrete thing after concrete thing

1:01:06

that happened to the actual students,

1:01:08

not just like a worry. In

1:01:11

fact, you know what they found? They found

1:01:13

the systemic racism. And it was against the

1:01:15

jiggers at Harvard. Anyway, do you have some

1:01:18

lowlights for us? Man, oh man. I'll

1:01:20

give you a couple. All right. One

1:01:22

is this thing called a pyramid of

1:01:24

white supremacy. And our Colin Anderson at

1:01:26

the Free Beacon had first reported on

1:01:29

this when the report came out. It's

1:01:31

a graphic disseminated to students in a

1:01:33

required school of education course stating that

1:01:35

those who oppose the boycott divestment and

1:01:37

sanctions movement are engaged in quote, coded

1:01:39

genocide. That portion of the

1:01:41

pyramid was just one step removed from

1:01:43

quote, overt genocide, which includes KKK, lynching

1:01:46

and burning club crosses and bombing

1:01:48

black churches. So you better. support

1:01:50

that BDS and boycott Israel, otherwise

1:01:52

you'll be seen as a racist.

1:01:54

The second thing is, the School

1:01:56

of Public Health, where Jewish students

1:01:58

raise concerns over anti -Israel webinars,

1:02:01

only to be asked, quote, who

1:02:03

is more marginalized, Jews or Palestinians,

1:02:05

at the Divinity School? And I'm reading this, this

1:02:07

is a verbatim from Colin Anderson. Jewish

1:02:10

students were subject to, quote, the

1:02:12

embrace of a pedagogy of desinization,

1:02:14

into which instructors, quote, attribute

1:02:17

to Jews two great sins, first in the

1:02:19

Levant, the establishment of the state of Israel

1:02:21

and the Palestinian Nakba, and second

1:02:24

in the United States, because the Jews participated

1:02:26

in white supremacy. And then finally, Harvard

1:02:29

Medical School. where students actively worked

1:02:31

to, quote, discourage Zionist students from

1:02:33

coming here at the Spring 2024

1:02:35

Admitted Students Preview Day, an event

1:02:37

at which newly admitted students visit

1:02:40

campus, enrolled students who are Kephias,

1:02:42

put on, quote, Palestinian

1:02:44

-themed presentations, and engaged in

1:02:46

chance of free Palestine and

1:02:48

informed attendees that, quote, Zionists

1:02:50

are not welcome at Harvard

1:02:52

Medical School. So it's

1:02:54

the same thing as the feeling

1:02:56

in the drama phobia, really. So

1:02:58

by her own admission now. And

1:03:01

I must note that it is

1:03:03

both Jewish Heritage Month and AAPI

1:03:05

Heritage Month. you. Both discriminated against

1:03:07

at Harvard. Yeah, this is I'm

1:03:09

saying. By their own admission and

1:03:11

by court findings. Yes. They have

1:03:13

been found to discriminate against Jewish

1:03:15

students and Asian students. And

1:03:17

we're still to treat this August

1:03:19

University. With an admissions rate of

1:03:21

3%. As if it should be

1:03:23

the pinnacle of our society. I

1:03:25

reject this. I reject this, they're

1:03:27

trashy. This is trashy. Thank you.

1:03:30

They're billionaire trashy people. Say the

1:03:32

two co -hosts who did not

1:03:34

go to Harvard. That's right. But

1:03:36

no, it's totally true. And a

1:03:38

friend of mine, a professor at

1:03:40

Northwestern University was telling me recently

1:03:42

when I was up there, the

1:03:45

problem is not really, it's not the

1:03:47

students who come in per se, it's

1:03:50

the outside agitators, organizers, and faculty

1:03:52

who then brainwash them. Yeah. Yeah,

1:03:54

they come in. And it's

1:03:56

these teachers, it's these other people and say, this is what

1:03:59

you believe in. And then they are swayed into it.

1:04:01

Well, Well, and as my friend Greg Lukianoff,

1:04:03

who works for FIRE, the the foundation

1:04:05

of individual, sorry, writes in expression. They

1:04:07

the name so I can get it right. He

1:04:09

says this is called the gauntlet of conformity.

1:04:11

When it comes to these highfalutin organizations,

1:04:13

you just have to agree with everyone

1:04:15

every step of the way on

1:04:17

the ladder. If you step out

1:04:19

of line at any point on any

1:04:22

belief, they will just Hit you

1:04:24

back down the ladder. So good luck

1:04:26

to you and you'll have no professorship,

1:04:28

you'll have no tenure or whatever. and so

1:04:30

all the incentives are to do this,

1:04:32

whether it's in the press or the universities

1:04:34

And you can't get through that gauntlet

1:04:36

unless you're extremely talented. Yeah, And even

1:04:38

then they'll try to take your tenure

1:04:40

away in some cases. The answer is don't don't no

1:04:43

to go to the Ivy League of perfectly

1:04:45

wonderful schools in the south I

1:04:47

wouldn't I can go back. I'd to Arizona

1:04:49

State University. Oh, I bet you would.

1:04:51

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1:04:53

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