0:07

What's that happens

0:10

spooky? Hey, juky, I'm really sure

0:12

it's dead. It's coming this way.

0:15

Wait a minute, I said.

0:20

Nandas.

0:24

Please Hey

0:27

boo, it's me Ros

0:30

and welcome to Ghosted

0:33

by Roz Hernandez, the

0:35

podcast where I talk to people that I like

0:38

about the paranormal.

0:41

I said just here at the

0:43

beginning of the year that this year

0:45

I'm going to start occasionally

0:49

bringing on people that

0:51

aren't necessarily my

0:53

wacky show business friends

0:56

to laugh about the

0:58

silliness of the other side.

1:02

And today's one of those examples.

1:04

I have on two people that

1:06

I have never met before, but they

1:09

have a new documentary

1:12

film. It is called It's

1:15

Coming, and it

1:18

is well, it's coming, honey.

1:20

It's different than most

1:24

ghost hunting type things that we've

1:27

all seen in the in

1:29

the sense that it's done by a filmmaker

1:31

who doesn't work in that

1:33

world, and he's essentially

1:36

just documenting for months

1:38

what it's like to be one

1:41

of these families that

1:43

lives in a place where stuff happens all

1:45

the time, and the

1:47

stresses that come with that and

1:50

the daily activity of it. And

1:53

so when I talk to him, he said,

1:57

you know, it's a portrait. I think it's a great word.

2:00

Is a portrait of a family that

2:02

is in a situation

2:05

where there are spirits

2:07

in the house, and so I think it's

2:09

I think it's a really interesting approach. And

2:13

I got to talk to the filmmaker

2:16

and the mother of

2:18

the family, and the

2:21

activity is really based

2:23

around her. So that's

2:26

what you have to look forward to today.

2:30

Before we get to that, let me read

2:32

you a ghost story. This

2:34

one comes from a listener named

2:37

Jeanette. Jeanette writes,

2:39

for several years, I commuted

2:42

to and from work on a

2:44

bike, and that commute took

2:46

me across the Golden Gate

2:48

Bridge twice a day.

2:53

They say that Golden Gate Bridge is

2:56

haunted. The bridge

2:59

is open to cars and cyclists

3:01

twenty four to seven, but pedestrians

3:04

are only allowed during

3:07

daylight hours. During

3:10

dusk, though, there's

3:12

a bit of overlap where there are

3:14

some pedestrians still lagging

3:16

on the bridge, but the gates only

3:18

open to let them off or let

3:21

people with bicycles on. I

3:24

spent a lot of time on that bridge

3:26

by myself at night, as

3:28

during the winter months it was always

3:30

dark when I finished work. The

3:33

Golden Gate Bridge is well known for its

3:35

beautiful views and architecture,

3:38

and is a popular attraction for

3:41

tourists in San Francisco,

3:43

but sadly, it also has a reputation

3:46

for being a quite popular final

3:49

destination for those

3:51

who have found life to be too much.

3:54

Oh my god, listen, there's a

3:56

documentary about that. I do not recommend

4:00

anybody watch it. I watched it probably

4:03

a decade ago, and its

4:06

very heavy. Okay,

4:09

back to Jeanette. Jeanette says, I

4:11

have definitely felt a mix of

4:14

emotional energy on that bridge

4:16

day and night. But on one

4:18

particular night, the fog was hanging over

4:21

the water in such a way that you could

4:23

see the reflection of the city on the

4:25

water, but you couldn't see the actual

4:28

city, and it was so thick you

4:30

couldn't see the bridge more than about twenty

4:32

five meters overhead either.

4:35

As I rounded the bridge suspension

4:38

tower on the city side of the bridge,

4:40

I saw a guy standing looking

4:43

out into the fog. This

4:45

was really odd because it had

4:47

been dark for some time and

4:49

he didn't have a bike. I

4:52

suppose he could have been a straggler,

4:56

but usually the bridge patrol would

4:58

have cleared the bridge of pedestrians

5:00

by that hour, but who knows at

5:03

any rate. I stopped next to him and I

5:05

said, isn't it cool how

5:07

you can see the reflection of the city

5:09

on the water. He said he hadn't

5:11

really noticed, but now that

5:13

I pointed it out, he said,

5:16

it is cool. I responded

5:18

by pointing out, that's just

5:21

a reminder that there is a lot out

5:23

there on the other side of the fog. Something

5:26

I couldn't even imagine was coming out of my mouth.

5:29

But here we were, he

5:32

said, I suppose

5:34

you are right. I

5:36

told him I had to get home and

5:38

to have a good night, and then I pushed off

5:41

on my bike. Something made

5:43

me look back over my shoulder, and

5:45

dude was gone. There was no

5:47

way that he could have disappeared that fast without

5:49

sprinting lightning fast, nor

5:52

could he have hopped the railing. But

5:54

I did look over just in case,

5:57

and there was no sign of him. As

5:59

I was riding home that night, I had

6:01

the strange feeling of sadness and

6:03

peace that I can't really explain. I

6:06

wondered if that had happened at

6:08

all. I still don't know if

6:10

I imagined it, but I get goosebumps

6:12

whenever I think about it. Oh

6:16

myshhh.

6:20

Well, thank you Jeannette so much for sending

6:22

that a love a San Francisco story.

6:25

And one thing I didn't even

6:27

mention, as annoying as I am

6:29

about it, this conversation

6:31

that we're about to have is a New

6:34

York City Brooklyn

6:37

story. Hello, let's

6:40

get into it. Here is my conversation

6:43

with filmmaker Shannon

6:46

Alexander and Ashley

6:49

Rowland White, the subject

6:51

of the new film It's Coming

6:54

and with the show. Oh

7:07

my goodness. We are

7:09

joined right now by Ashley

7:12

and Shannon. Hello. Hello,

7:16

how are you.

7:17

We're good? Happy to be here cold, We're

7:20

good?

7:20

Yeah, it is you're You're

7:22

in the house right, the

7:25

house, yes, okay,

7:28

Aculey's.

7:28

House, Yes, where it takes place, where the documentary

7:31

was shot.

7:32

And this is in New York City, right.

7:34

This is Brooklyn, New York. Yes, Oh my

7:36

god.

7:37

That's always I'm always staying in Brooklyn. Like

7:39

I go to Brooklyn a couple of times a year.

7:43

So, like, one of these things that we always talk

7:45

about in this podcast is how we never get good

7:47

New York ghost stories. So

7:51

that's one of the biggest reasons why

7:53

I'm so excited about talking

7:56

to you, because you haven't

7:59

actively haunted home.

8:02

I mean, is it still is it still haunted?

8:06

It's pretty much the same. I'm just learning

8:08

how to navigate a little better, you know, ignoring

8:11

certain things, taking a break from here when

8:13

I need to. It's hard to just

8:15

get up and leave because I run business from here, so

8:17

it's I'm dealing with it. But there's

8:20

certain times where it is it's okay for a little while.

8:22

But it's not just the house. It's definitely not.

8:24

Yeah, it's me myself, so it is it doesn't

8:26

really matter where I go.

8:27

Basically, right, because

8:29

this is something that started young

8:32

for you, right, and it's all connected.

8:34

It's the same, you know, it's started

8:37

as a child, and now you still

8:39

have that present more presences

8:41

like what's what's the stories?

8:44

So basically, spirits

8:46

surround me period. Some of them

8:48

are ones that I've seen since I'm younger. Some

8:51

of them I've never seen. I

8:53

see them so much that most of the time when I do see

8:55

them, I try to, you know, just

8:58

ignore it. But it does get

9:00

a little hard because

9:02

some spirits I feel like when I ignore them, they

9:05

make their presence known by throwing things

9:07

or you know, causing embarrassment.

9:11

When I have company over. So it's that

9:13

type of thing. But I've been seeing spirits

9:16

since eleven and it's been normal since eleven.

9:18

Do you identify as like a

9:21

psychic, you know, medium.

9:24

I honestly never did because I don't

9:26

think I ever thought that deep into it. I think

9:29

when you're as young as I was, you just

9:31

start to think that this is this is normal

9:35

for me. I didn't start

9:37

to think of myself as any type of medium

9:39

until I started to, you know,

9:41

help people that were going through or lost someone

9:44

in their lives. And you know, as far as like communication,

9:47

you know, given messages. That's when it kind

9:49

of rang in my head. But I still, you know, didn't

9:51

take it too seriously. But spirit gives

9:53

me a message for someone, I'll give it, but I

9:55

haven't made it, like, you know, my business

9:58

to go out and try to.

9:59

Do that right. Because

10:01

it started with you were saying in the documentary

10:05

a person appeared to you that

10:08

looked like Kevin from the Backstreet Boys.

10:10

I did you know what? I had to be honest,

10:13

Okay, when we were filming, I

10:16

was asked to describe what the entity

10:18

looked like. So Kevin used to wear

10:20

these long black Jackets when he had

10:22

the longer hair. Yes, and it

10:25

was the only thing that stuck out because ever since

10:28

I've seen this entity, I've always said

10:30

that to myself, like, from the back, it looks

10:32

like Kevin So yes.

10:34

Okay, so you saw him. You didn't see his face.

10:36

Though, No, his face

10:38

is always just you know, dark and kind

10:41

of faded a little bit. But

10:43

from the back, I can see full

10:45

body, and that's exactly what you

10:47

know it would look like from the back. Now,

10:49

some of them I see just like I see you and me.

10:52

But that entity and some

10:54

other entities I see as dark.

10:55

Figures, and that one is still around.

10:58

Yes, wow,

11:00

Wow.

11:00

That might be Astley's spirit God who's being

11:02

with her her whole life since she was eleven

11:05

up to this point. Here intimately comes

11:07

in and out of your life.

11:08

Right, I mean, I'm not really sure if he's

11:10

a spirit guide, to be honest, I just

11:12

know he's the first one I've seen

11:14

in one I see quite often.

11:17

And it's confusing because sometimes I

11:20

do see that entity right

11:22

before something bad is gonna happen. You

11:25

know, Sometime I feel like it's a warning because

11:28

most of the time when I see this entity, he just

11:30

stands there. So and when he stands

11:32

there, it's like telepathically, like

11:35

he's trying to tell me something. And there's been

11:37

a few times in my life where it

11:39

was, you know, I was needed to

11:41

avoid something and I ended up doing that because

11:43

I had seen that entity. So but

11:47

it's still scary. So that's why I think I'm

11:49

confused as far as like, do I spirit

11:52

guide not a spirit guide type of thing.

11:54

He has helped you in a lot of instances with

11:56

your health a couple.

11:58

Well that's good. I mean, so

12:00

it sounds like he's not one

12:03

of the ones to look out for like you

12:05

have you have worse.

12:06

No. Originally, when I was younger, I thought so,

12:08

But as I got older, No, I don't

12:10

think so. I've seen much worse.

12:13

So how many are we talking? Like,

12:16

how how many are there that are

12:18

reoccurring spirits

12:21

reoccurring?

12:22

If you want me to give your account reoccurring, I

12:25

would say there's four.

12:26

Okay, for that I.

12:27

Would see, And I don't mean like an everyday

12:30

basis, but when things

12:32

are very stressful in my life, I'm

12:34

just going through a lot of chaos, they always

12:36

appear. So I

12:39

would say at least four and for

12:41

the most part, I see spirits

12:44

who I've never met before. I call them

12:46

pastors, people who have passed away,

12:48

people that have been in accidents, and

12:51

things of that nature. But you know, I

12:53

don't particularly know them, never seen them

12:55

before. In the living world. I see

12:58

sometime. I would feel like more people

13:01

in the afterlife world than I do here.

13:04

So and you're talking like walking

13:07

down the street or they like come visit you

13:09

in your home.

13:10

Well, most of the time I see okay

13:12

outside. I have seen some outside

13:14

that I'm mistaken for regular people, until

13:18

later on, maybe days later,

13:20

I would see the same entity in my house

13:23

or in a hotel. I travel

13:25

a lot, so I get that too. I

13:29

really don't know how to explain why. I've

13:31

been asking myself forever

13:33

why if it's if I

13:35

could cut it off sometime I would. But

13:38

I can literally just be sitting home watching TV

13:40

and see two people just walk right past like

13:43

they're not in my house, you know. And

13:46

it became normal to the point where I just ignored

13:48

it until my kids started to see it. That's when

13:50

it kind of got uncomfortable.

13:55

Did you have, like any

13:58

other relatives besides yourself

14:00

that had this stability or

14:02

whatever you want to call it.

14:05

I wouldn't say the exact ability as

14:07

in seeing full body apparitions like

14:09

I do. But my

14:11

mother does get a lot of premonitions,

14:14

and she'll get premonitions about,

14:16

you know, someone passing away or something about to happen.

14:19

And I can tell you that she's

14:21

never been wrong. So I

14:23

would say, you know, in a way, she's

14:26

spiritually connected in that way, but

14:29

just not I don't think she she doesn't

14:31

have the abilities I have to actually see and speak

14:33

to them and you know, do that.

14:36

That's so interesting because, like I

14:38

mean, but that's what's so difficult

14:42

is to wrap your head around

14:44

because like you also are getting

14:46

physical manifestation,

14:48

like things are moving, things

14:51

are happening that aren't just you guys

14:53

are sort of seeing things that you

14:55

know are in your mind's eye or however

14:57

you want to look at it. You're actually like

15:00

they're actually something going on.

15:03

Yes, Yes, when your

15:05

child comes to you and says a matter

15:07

of fact, I'll say, like this, when your child describes

15:10

the exact same entity

15:13

that you've been seeing or that you've just seen

15:15

five minutes ago, down to the tee or

15:19

spirits call my name a lot, so my

15:21

son started coming to me saying,

15:23

who is that calling you? So that's when

15:25

I figured out that, Okay, not only

15:27

is he seeing the exact same people I'm seeing,

15:30

he's hearing what I'm hearing. He'll

15:32

even come and get me sometimes to say, Ma,

15:35

there's someone standing in the living room. You know,

15:37

I know that they're deceased, but can you

15:39

tell me what you see to see? If we see the same thing? And

15:41

we do.

15:44

I wonder if you have

15:47

other relatives that just never told

15:49

you thought about that.

15:51

That's so weird you said that because I literally thought

15:53

about that, because if you think about it, this is

15:55

not something that I think people feel comfortable

15:58

talking about all the time. Yeah yeah, yeah, maybe

16:00

they just they just don't me

16:03

personally. Growing up, people that were in my

16:05

family, they definitely knew that I could see

16:07

what I could see, but I wouldn't take it like outside

16:10

the family because I didn't want to see, you

16:12

know, nuts or anything like that. So I thought

16:14

about it. Maybe they just never talked

16:16

about it.

16:17

So what changed?

16:18

Like?

16:18

What made you be like, Okay,

16:21

I'm going to tell people about this.

16:23

Okay. So when this originally

16:25

started, it was supposed to be about

16:27

sleep, aaralysis because I do suffer from that, and

16:30

I feel like I suffer from sleep paralysis

16:33

because the spirits

16:36

they interact with me, they won't let me sleep,

16:38

They keep me up some nights. So when

16:41

I was trying to explain just that

16:43

part of it, things started happening while

16:45

we were filming. They were throwing

16:47

things, knocking things over. So I think

16:49

I got to the point where I just told

16:52

Shannon, like, listen, this is gonna sound

16:54

weird, but spirits follow me. My house

16:56

is haunted, and reality I'm haunted.

16:59

So that's how we worked, you know, That's how

17:01

it ended up turning into that direction.

17:03

And then two of the children backed up everything actually

17:05

was saying when I first met Ashley in the family, and

17:08

I spoke to Javier, who was

17:10

seven at the time.

17:10

And then her eldest daughter, Selena, who.

17:12

Was like thirteen, She was thirteen, and

17:14

then they they second everything

17:17

that actually was saying and had

17:20

spoken about seeing things themselves, and

17:22

I realized that's where the story is. It's not really

17:24

about well I initially planned, this

17:26

is about a family inundated

17:29

with these entities in the middle

17:31

of Brooklyn somewhere. So that's what we went with.

17:33

You can imagine you're going to someone's house

17:35

and all these things are happening. At a certain

17:37

point that person has to say something.

17:39

So, you know, because I never planned to

17:41

get that in detailed, what they were making

17:45

me. The spirits were making me get into

17:47

detail because they kept We had to stop

17:49

recording a few times because you know, things

17:51

were happening. So once I explained

17:53

it to them, I said, you know, it's nothing to worry

17:55

about. They're not going to hurt you, but this

17:57

is what's going on.

17:58

You did say they didn't like me though, didn't not want

18:00

the cameras there.

18:01

No, they didn't. I don't think they liked him,

18:03

but I don't think the entities

18:06

that reside around me liked that I was speaking

18:09

about what I was speaking about. I think

18:11

because I had never spoke about it before, unless

18:13

it was just family, that

18:16

they probably said, well, what is she doing? Is she just

18:19

telling everything? And I guess I was.

18:22

Have you like talk to them since the

18:24

documentary has been out? Yeah,

18:27

do they know that they are now, you

18:30

know, movie stars.

18:32

I haven't had that exact conversation,

18:34

but I have had two of them tell me that, you

18:37

know, everybody might not take well

18:39

to it, people are gonna think you're nuts, you

18:42

know, that type of negativity

18:45

to make me, you know, maybe stop in my

18:47

tracks and don't proceed anymore. Mm.

18:50

That has happened, right, people have been saying, I mean

18:53

most it was being positive.

18:54

Yeah, and to you know,

18:56

they were giving me warnings about how people would proceed

18:58

it. And then after that, I actually

19:01

did get weird emails,

19:03

you know, text messages from different people.

19:05

I don't even know how they got my number, but saying

19:09

that the church wouldn't like what I'm doing. I

19:11

shouldn't speak about spirits

19:13

and any spirit that you come across

19:15

as what do they call them, familiar spirits?

19:18

So I was told that all spirits

19:20

are bad and I shouldn't be you know, engaging

19:23

that. Yeah. Someone said I was being watched too.

19:26

That was weird.

19:28

See, all that kind of stuff is always gonna

19:30

happen if you do anything paranormal. I've

19:32

been doing this podcast podcast for

19:35

six years and I

19:37

have had, like I've

19:39

I've had so much of that. And

19:42

you encounter a lot of people that are

19:45

one hundred percent convinced that they know

19:48

what all these things are and

19:51

they're either going to save

19:54

you or just start

19:56

running their mouths at you whatever it is.

19:58

But they're like, how our demons those

20:01

are what? I don't know, Yeah, it just

20:03

happens. Or they'll just say you're making it up, you're

20:05

crazy. Whatever, it happens, no

20:07

matter what. But there's also a lot

20:09

of people that don't feel that way.

20:11

Yeah, I think you're gotta have tough skin to talk about

20:13

it, because it's one of those things where

20:16

you know, like we're saying, people might think

20:18

you're nuts. So you know, every

20:20

time I do an interview or anything, in

20:23

the back of my mind, I'm like, people are

20:25

gonna think I'm crazy, But I can only

20:27

tell you that this is my life and this is what I've been

20:29

going through since eleven, so it's nothing

20:32

new. I think people find

20:34

it more intriguing than I do myself,

20:36

because it's happening to me, you

20:39

know, on a normal basis. But for those

20:41

people who did see it and we're skeptics

20:44

and said to me, wow, I don't think I'm

20:46

a skeptic anymore. I mean, you know,

20:48

that's good in a way.

20:50

I mean, see that's that

20:52

that would be my temptation, would be like

20:55

to round up all those haters and

20:57

be like, then come over, We're

20:59

gonna do everybody, come over

21:01

here and I'll show you.

21:04

I love that idea.

21:05

Yeah, So, Shannon, did

21:07

you believe in this kind of stuff when you

21:09

started? And where are you at with all that?

21:12

I didn't disbelieve it.

21:13

I was open, but I had a healthy amount of skepticism

21:16

going into it when I was speaking to it Ashley

21:18

initially, but then all the odd

21:20

experiences definitely added up to me

21:23

forming my opinion of Ashley's testimony

21:26

and the kids and really believing

21:28

them pretty early on. And

21:30

I just think it's really difficult for kids to lie at

21:32

such a sophisticated level as the

21:34

way the kids came across. So I just

21:36

didn't think that they were capable of it. With the questions

21:39

I was asking and hanging out with them for that period

21:41

of time six seven, eight months.

21:43

Or whatever, it was.

21:44

Wow.

21:44

So I completely hardly.

21:46

Believed and they weren't. Originally

21:49

it was just me and him originally, you know, it was my

21:52

getting my perspective on things. So when we

21:54

would take breaks, you know what you have

21:56

to do, you know, the kids would be around, So

21:58

just in conversation, you know, my

22:00

kids are like, yeah, that's normal here,

22:02

I mean around us, this is we always, you

22:05

know, have those type of encounters. And they had

22:07

the same attitude like I did, you know, likes it's

22:09

normal.

22:10

And it was the physical things we recorded early

22:12

on, like the shadows running across,

22:14

dancing from one side of the front to

22:16

the other that we had seen down that hallway

22:19

that actually and the kids mentioned where they were seeing

22:21

these figures and shadows, and we saw literally

22:24

shadows being captured while

22:26

we were filming. But then after the fact, when I was editing,

22:29

sifting through the footage and I came across things, the

22:33

fire brigade came because I was that odd odor,

22:35

the microphans, the microphone

22:38

stands falling over, almost as though they were attacking.

22:40

Actually, all these physical things would happen, lots

22:43

of lights and electrical objects

22:46

cutting in and out when I would enter

22:48

the house, and things. It's just the combination of

22:50

too many things that really really

22:52

swayed me in a particular direction. But now, I'm

22:54

not from a paranormal background. My background is in filmmaking.

22:58

I was just open to the idea of people

23:00

with sleep issues, and then it just evolved from

23:02

that.

23:02

Yeah, where did that come from? How did you

23:05

own.

23:05

My own problems with I mean, I can sleep, but

23:08

I'm more of a knot person. A nod

23:10

out quote unquote, Sorry, I just had difficulties

23:12

sleeping.

23:13

I was just interested in.

23:14

People had in so many or sleep prowls or clan

23:16

to have these experiences, so that I didn't know what

23:18

I wanted to do with it at the time. I just

23:20

wanted to investigate it. And then this this

23:23

project just unfolded really organically. Wow.

23:26

Yeah, I think very organically because it went

23:28

a whole other direction than what we

23:30

were originally doing.

23:33

Totally, but we went with it and it

23:35

became what it became.

23:36

And we've had We did Q and a's

23:38

also, you know, leading up to the release, and we did

23:40

live interviews where the interviewer

23:43

would come to the house and almost

23:45

everyone that came things

23:47

happened. We had one come and there's

23:50

a guy named James. He's an entity that's usually

23:52

around my house. He yelled. The entity

23:55

yelled, and the other person heard it in

23:57

real time like I did,

23:59

and well we all did. The group Yeah, yeah,

24:01

they were like, oh my god, did you hear that? And for

24:04

the first time, I'm like, okay, So people

24:06

are hearing what I'm what I'm going

24:08

for.

24:08

Also, the people on the zoom would hear it.

24:10

On the other end, you picking up on people's

24:14

yeah, crying and and reading into what they

24:16

were going through.

24:17

And the cords, the cables

24:19

on the ceiling that were flickering, a

24:22

lot of odd voices that everyone

24:24

who partook in the zoom was saying

24:26

first time in real time.

24:28

So your idea was about having people over for

24:32

a little U don't know experience would

24:34

be crazy.

24:35

I mean that's yeah, it's very

24:37

intimate to have people in your home and you've got kids

24:40

and stuff. But I always

24:42

just I just want to shut those people up. I just want

24:44

those people to see something that they'll

24:46

never forget. Do

24:49

you feel right now that

24:51

there's like anybody in the

24:53

room with you.

24:55

Well, there's one girl. Her name is Emily,

24:57

and she's always here so that I

25:00

I can't say I don't count her, but she's

25:02

just always around, so yes, okay,

25:05

and she's just chilling and we've

25:07

been conflicted. I've told other people

25:10

about her, and some people said,

25:12

well, do you really think it's a child, Because

25:14

you do know that entities, bad

25:16

entities, can you know they can take on

25:18

any shape or anything they want to try

25:20

to fool you. This particular entity

25:23

I know is a child because

25:25

I ended up doing just my own research

25:28

once she started coming around and found

25:30

out that she died in a car accident at seven years

25:32

old.

25:33

Oh you found a real person.

25:36

Yes, I did. This was a real child.

25:38

She died at seven years old in a car accident.

25:41

And the thing is, this entity told me that,

25:43

but I decided let me go do

25:45

a little research. You know, we live in a digital era

25:47

now, and I was able to find her

25:50

death. So this entity is

25:52

a child, and I really don't mind

25:54

her being around. She's never shown

25:56

any aggression or anything,

26:00

you know, where I would be nervous or

26:02

paranoid about.

26:02

So is she attached to this

26:05

apartment or.

26:06

Is she No, she's attached to me for some reason.

26:09

Okay, still haven't figured that out. It's been

26:12

h five years that she's

26:14

been you know, she comes around, especially

26:16

when I do these you know, little events

26:19

more like curiosity. You know, she's

26:21

lost her What could I don't

26:23

know because she's never said anything about

26:26

why she's attached. I just know she's attached.

26:28

Well, she she probably knows that you're a

26:30

great mother and she's just like.

26:33

I thought of that reason too. One of my friends had

26:35

had said that to me, you know, when I was running it past

26:37

her, like I keep seeing this this one little

26:39

girl, and she was like, well, it's

26:41

something, especially once I found out that she actually

26:44

was a child when she died, and it was a real kid. She

26:46

was like, she must feel comfortable around you.

26:49

Where did she live?

26:51

Where does she live in Tennessee?

26:53

Did you go there?

26:54

No? I didn't go there. I looked

26:56

it up to be, you know, just going off

26:58

of, you know, the conversations that me and her had.

27:01

And to be clear, every time I

27:03

run into an entity, they do not communicate.

27:06

All of them do not communicate. There are some

27:08

that I'm just seeing they see

27:10

me, I see them, and that's that. But

27:12

the ones that want to communicate

27:16

to me. This is just my opinion. I feel

27:19

like most of the time, those have not been the bad

27:21

ones. Those have not been evil.

27:23

They haven't been I

27:25

get a cold feeling when I'm looking at one of

27:28

them that doesn't speak at all. That's

27:30

usually bad. Oh, bad things

27:32

always happened, you know around that time

27:35

or the next day. I'll have a really bad day.

27:37

So I'm convinced the ones that

27:40

speak, most of the ones that speak are

27:42

good.

27:43

So how many do you think are attached

27:45

to the home?

27:48

I never thought of a number that are attached to the

27:50

home since I've been seeing them.

27:52

But there are ones that are attached

27:54

to the home, and you.

27:56

I feel like there are a couple that are attached

27:58

to the home. My grandfather died

28:02

I want to say, eight years ago,

28:04

and he lived here. We all lived here together,

28:07

so his spirit, I know, is here,

28:10

and that would make sense. Now. There

28:13

was some buraya

28:15

done if Spanish people call it that,

28:18

that was done here years before I

28:20

moved here, because the place that I'm in is

28:23

actually where my husband grew up, so

28:25

his family was here and they, some

28:27

of them used to have parties where they do, you

28:30

know, stuff that wehch probably shouldn't

28:32

be doing. And in my opinion, what

28:34

I think happened is a door was opened

28:37

and it was not closed correctly, and

28:39

my hallway, which

28:41

is where most people, even guests that come here,

28:43

happened to see or hear things. I

28:46

think that that's where the portal

28:48

or door, whatever you want to call it, is open. Because

28:51

at certain times, certain nights

28:53

I can walk through the hallway and I can see the whole

28:56

hallway almost light up. So

28:59

I'm seeing that and it's it's

29:01

it's so illuminating to me

29:03

that I even thought about trying to put my hand through

29:05

it a couple of times. But I'm smarter

29:08

than that, so I was like, no, I don't think that would be a good idea

29:10

because you know, I could get stuck over wherever

29:12

that is.

29:13

So yeah, Like, and it was the

29:15

same with Selena in the whole way where we saw the shadows

29:17

initially. Yeah, and when have was

29:19

speaking that was Rotteney the whole way

29:21

when he was on the couch, another instance

29:24

where we picked up some.

29:25

Shadow somehow work.

29:27

I'm sure it's the hallway. I believe the

29:30

door was was not closed, And

29:33

like I said, because this has always been normal to

29:35

me, I never tried to

29:38

put any real effort into having it closed.

29:40

And I know that sounds crazy, but

29:43

I think maybe I should have.

29:44

Well do you want to?

29:47

I definitely do that that I want

29:49

I want closed because I feel

29:51

like what it does is play games,

29:53

like I won't see anything in that hallway

29:56

maybe sometime for maybe two weeks, so

29:58

I'll think that Okay, maybe the positive

30:00

vibes and you know, maybe

30:02

those types of things are working and then

30:05

one night it just lights back up and you

30:08

know, and I feel like when that whull weight is

30:10

like that, that's when I can come into

30:12

my kitchen and see two different people, maybe

30:15

even three different people sometimes standing there.

30:17

So interesting.

30:19

I'm definitely sure. I just think I need navigation

30:21

because I don't know what I'm doing as far as really closing

30:24

anything.

30:25

Maybe you need somebody that

30:27

practices through had yeah, and

30:29

they'll get in there and close it the you

30:32

know exactly what happened. I'm

30:34

not sure that that's

30:39

so weird, Like that's just it's

30:41

weird to think. Like just

30:44

like if you think physically speaking,

30:46

like a door open in your home out

30:49

in the street where anyone can just walk into.

30:51

Now, I don't want that with invisible

30:54

people either. Yeah,

30:56

I don't want them just coming in and out of here.

30:59

Yeah. My worry is the children. See,

31:01

I know to stay

31:03

away from certain things. I'll get a feeling

31:06

when I know it's not right. But

31:08

children might not be able to decipher

31:10

right and might say, okay, well if

31:12

they happen to see that, well, what's on the other side

31:15

of that? And that's

31:16

my fear. Is almost like a movie

31:18

because that's what I'm living. You know, all those

31:21

scary things that you see and you hope you

31:23

avoid. That's basically

31:25

what I go through on an almost daily basis.

31:28

And have you caught these spirits

31:30

trying to lure your children

31:33

or tell your children that I have not?

31:35

I have not. I've caught the conversations.

31:37

I've even caught Javier talking

31:40

to entities that I'm looking at myself, so like

31:42

I can see what he's seeing. I've

31:44

caught that, but I haven't caught them

31:46

actually even

31:49

acknowledging to this day. I've never told them

31:51

about what I think about the whole way

31:53

and what I see, you know, because I don't want

31:55

to implant it in their mind somehow

31:58

and then the entities can really take advantage on They

32:00

don't even know about that. To my knowledge,

32:03

I don't know if.

32:03

It was established. But actually has five children,

32:05

and only two or three of them actually see things.

32:08

And I've had certain encounters.

32:10

The other two I haven't really

32:12

seen anything.

32:13

Right, Well, there was one instance and

32:15

then the other one no interesting,

32:19

So three out of five.

32:21

There was one weird photo with

32:23

Antonio. Oh yeah, there was with

32:25

a figure behind one of the kids.

32:27

At one point last I

32:29

want to say, last March for the spring pictures.

32:32

He was in fourth grade, and

32:34

you know, I'm getting him ready, trying to make sure everything

32:36

looks good, and I'm like, well, let me get a picture of you before

32:39

you go and mess up your hair and everything. Let me

32:41

take a picture now, right, And we

32:44

took the picture, but I didn't look at it. When my son

32:46

looked at it, he said, Ma, who was

32:49

that in the picture? There was a whole other person standing

32:51

right behind him in the picture, and the

32:53

person actually had glasses on.

32:55

I want to see.

32:58

So if you yeah, I have that, I can

33:00

give that to you. There's a few

33:02

things I have here.

33:04

This happened after we wrap the documentary shooting in

33:07

the film, so just to show that things are still continuing,

33:09

I.

33:09

Have I have also a footage of

33:11

not that long ago, I want to say, a month ago of

33:14

because ever since the film, you know, I set up

33:16

cameras so I could see what's going on. You

33:19

can see a full person sitting

33:21

right at my dining room table at

33:24

like two in the morning. Like it's

33:26

completely okay. Now listen to

33:28

this part. My son at two in the morning, he's

33:30

coming out his room to use the bathroom,

33:33

and the entity realizes that my son

33:35

is coming out, and then you just see

33:37

it vanished. Oh

33:42

yeah, I got really tech with it. I started

33:44

looking at different cameras and the angles and

33:46

figured it out. So yeah, I'm

33:48

like, imagine all the stuff I didn't you know.

33:50

Oh yeah, Oh there's a lot we missed. We

33:52

missed a lot unfortunately, but we captured a

33:55

lot to it.

33:55

Yeah, well that's how it is, because I've

33:57

done paranormal filming

34:00

stuff and yeah,

34:02

these coasts are not like,

34:05

they're not actors. They're not They

34:07

don't know when their camera angles and

34:09

everything, and so if you take a break

34:11

to eat some food, that

34:14

might be when they come out. Yeah,

34:16

that's what I hate.

34:17

It's like not on cue, never on queue.

34:20

Yeah. I like when I

34:22

stay in haunted hotels and stuff, and

34:25

I'm like, not when I'm going to the bathroom

34:27

or I'm like in the shower or something like,

34:29

because then I have to use like and then if I get

34:31

really good footage, I gotta shell people. So

34:35

yeah, it's unfortunate. But

34:38

wait, I'm so curious about

34:41

Shannon. Just all of your like

34:44

involvement in this, So you did

34:46

you have a crew, like was it just you

34:48

or other people?

34:49

It was very intimate production. It

34:51

was more more or less the COVID type approach

34:53

where it was just one person crubing myself.

34:56

I ran down, I did camera. It was just in me

34:58

hanging out here with the family in the

35:00

family home like we're doing right now,

35:02

talking to the kids. He had to know the family over the

35:04

course of a few months, and we got what we

35:06

got. We did leave the house, We did shoot

35:09

outside the house, as you know, we shot in other hotels

35:11

and outside courtyards.

35:13

I think we got more when

35:16

Chris came, when the demonologists

35:18

came. Now he has his cameras as well.

35:20

So that was yeah, multiple angers.

35:21

One of the days where there was you know, not

35:24

just him, and that was the day

35:26

where I've had There were so

35:28

many entities in the house

35:30

at one time that it became

35:32

so overwhelming. I was just crying

35:35

because I was looking at one and one

35:38

I could feel her sorrow, one

35:40

kept saying I can't find my body, and

35:43

all of that at one time was just like too

35:45

much.

35:45

Actually actually had seen it.

35:47

Chris Christuffer, the demologious

35:50

camera was recording everything

35:52

on the SLS camera. The stick

35:55

figures that's how it appears in one particular

35:57

corner of the living room.

35:58

And then my camera was picking up the shadow on.

36:00

The wall as well, So it was kind of like, yeah,

36:03

three perspectives, one

36:05

towards the end of the.

36:06

Liclementary, Yeah, that's the

36:08

best.

36:08

And Harmony his wife, Harmony had another camera

36:11

as well that was trained on actually, so that was that

36:13

was one instance that we had multiple cameras. But other

36:15

than that, we had surveillance foot well, we

36:17

had security footage that you had recording

36:20

in the house, like when the fire brigade came actually

36:22

was recording that host self.

36:23

She had the laptop on running and then we could see

36:25

that.

36:26

The Firies come through and investigate

36:28

what was going on with the so

36:31

called ghas lik even though it wasn't a ghas liak whatever

36:33

that was.

36:34

That was kind of unexplained.

36:36

But did you come fieries firefighters?

36:39

Yes?

36:40

I never heard that before.

36:41

I love it. Are you're Australian? Yes,

36:44

Australian people say like the cutest that,

36:46

Like, I know they cast sunglasses.

36:48

Sammis like, ugh, we abbreatheate

36:51

a lot. I love it. Fieries. Yeah,

36:54

so the fire, the firefighters showed

36:56

up because you thought you had a

36:59

gas lik possible, but they did not.

37:01

Yeah, well, we didn't know what we had. Actually

37:04

the alarm had went off, and

37:06

later when I thought about it, I knew that this was a

37:08

spirit who was doing this because I

37:11

I want to say it was. It was twenty ten. I suffered

37:13

carbon monoxide poisoning me and my husband

37:16

and my two children. Wow, and we

37:19

had levels so high that

37:21

we were all over the news. There was, you know, a

37:23

lawsuit in this and that this

37:25

is en upstate New York's. Yes, so

37:28

for that same type of thing to kind

37:30

of mimic something like that,

37:32

I knew that it had to be. Yeah.

37:35

So like my life has been crazy

37:37

for a long time.

37:38

But it wasn't that the fiber Gay determined that it was

37:40

not It was a league, but it would

37:43

make He then said

37:45

it like we could sell.

37:47

They didn't know what it was.

37:48

Well, because like you know, apparently

37:51

that can make people hallucinate, and

37:55

it is something that a lot of skeptical

37:58

paranormal investigators look for us like

38:00

if there's a ghast leak, because maybe that's causing

38:03

you to see these things or whatever. Yeah,

38:05

but it's almost like maybe

38:08

maybe these spirits were trying to

38:11

make it seem like they make the thing go off

38:13

so that it's like, see, she's just

38:15

hallucinating. She's not real, Like, you

38:17

know, don't believe her. Those

38:20

ghosts are shady.

38:22

Well, the sex was real, but because all these other

38:24

professionals would come through and confirm.

38:27

They yeah, they just didn't. They knew it wasn't

38:29

gas, but it was something. But the

38:32

smell was so strong that they were so intent

38:34

themselves on trying to find what it was. Because

38:37

after the fire department left,

38:39

they actually called National Grids and

38:41

said, listen, you gotta go over to that apartment

38:44

because there's something definitely

38:46

off in there and it's not gas. They

38:48

pulled out my entire stoves to make

38:50

sure because in the past I did have you

38:52

know, issues like that, and know there

38:54

was no gas, no, no nothing. We actually took the batteries

38:57

and the wires and it was still going

38:59

on.

39:00

This was a smoke on or the CEO to no.

39:02

Well, today they have what's called their two and lunch smoke

39:05

alarm and it's a seal two.

39:07

Oh that's scary, Shannon.

39:10

What's like the one thing that you

39:13

experienced, whether it was on camera or not,

39:15

that you're like, okay, this was legitab.

39:18

From the beginning, they didn't like me. The lights would flicker

39:20

on and off as soon as I entered the house. Actually

39:23

would unplug the lights and put it back on and they

39:25

would work again.

39:26

Globes wouldn't blow.

39:27

But there was just lots of coincidental

39:30

little things like that that you wouldn't even think of in

39:32

the moment that you had to look back after and

39:34

realize, and just capturing shadows

39:37

and all these weird

39:39

all be things on

39:41

camera that you would see on the view find or not.

39:44

You would miss it and you would see it after the fact, and the

39:46

edit really just made me think some

39:48

type of activity has gone on.

39:49

I've never captured anything before.

39:50

I've shot who knows how many countless

39:53

hours of footage in the past.

39:54

I've never seen this stuff before.

39:55

Were just so happens to coincide with his family

39:58

that's claiming they're seeing these things and

40:00

the children are scared

40:02

for their well.

40:03

Being in safety.

40:04

So when the when

40:06

the the microphone stand

40:09

fell like it was almost attacking. Actually

40:11

in that instance when we had the

40:14

windows were closed in the apartment. There was

40:16

no drafts coming in. It was a heavy duty stand.

40:19

It was all secured. Actually, was talking

40:21

about that, that weird odor and

40:23

the kids running past at the time, and

40:26

it was right on a que when you were discussing the

40:28

children that it seemed

40:30

to just fall out of nowhere, and that again,

40:32

things like that had never happened before. Maybe outside

40:35

if you don't secure stands properly, and there's a massive

40:38

wind gust that come through, but not in a house where

40:40

there's no there's no.

40:41

Breeze or anything.

40:42

It's all secured, like as

40:44

though it was intent on shutting actually up.

40:46

That was kind of odd. Lots of lots of weird little

40:48

things like that.

40:49

Yeah, Like when he came into the first

40:51

time, you were.

40:52

Like, I thought this was a sleep thing. What

40:54

is this?

40:55

Yeah, well not anymore. That's

40:57

okay, We've got something more interesting.

41:00

Do you see yourself doing more this kind of

41:02

content?

41:03

Well, I mean actually, and we say that hopefully

41:06

not Hopefully they won't be a stay cool because it was actually

41:08

kind of a rough time for you in the faunily.

41:11

It wasn't fun and games that they were going through a lot,

41:13

and they were kind of terrified. Especially half

41:16

the family was two or three of the kids who aren't

41:18

actually still with it.

41:19

For a long time.

41:20

So hopefully, Yeah, there isn't anything new to

41:22

report on. I mean, actually he's probably always

41:24

going to experience it. Yeah, but it's

41:26

slightly a little bit better, I think,

41:28

but the kids. But the kids are still reporting with

41:31

phenomena.

41:32

Yeah, it wasn't planned, but

41:34

I'm glad I did do it because I mean, it's

41:36

not all bad. It was a lot of good feedback. Also,

41:39

like people who see stuff like that but never

41:41

just wanted to talk about it, like, you know, they'll tell

41:44

me their stories and stuff like that. But I'm

41:47

convinced at thirty nine, I

41:49

don't think it's going to stop. I'm

41:51

going to see them. I see them all the time, and there's

41:54

pretty much nothing I can do about it. If

41:56

I get a bad feeling, I just ignore it

41:59

for the most part. But it gets to

42:01

be very it's very distracting.

42:05

It's even distracting now because they

42:07

don't like some of them don't like when I

42:09

speak about what I'm speaking about. So

42:11

you'll have ones that are right next to me, you know, And I

42:13

got to sit here and do the interview

42:16

knowing that there's a guy named Brian right here.

42:18

You know what I mean, But it's it's what it.

42:20

Is, Brian from the Backstreet Boys.

42:23

No, you

42:27

know, well, if the ghosts want to speak,

42:30

do they want to say anything?

42:32

You never know. You end up playing it back later and

42:34

then that's when you see something or most

42:38

of the time that that's what happens. A lot of people, you

42:40

know, told us about their experiences just from

42:43

participating in like the Q and A. They

42:45

would, you know, have things happen. A lot

42:47

of them got headaches afterwards for the next day,

42:49

and a lot of them

42:52

actually on the live there were a few people

42:54

who things knock over in their house just and

42:56

I know it was because they were, you

42:58

know, engaging with me, because I get that a lot from

43:00

people that engage with me.

43:02

But this is during

43:04

the screening when we had the screening of VA documentary

43:06

and then the QO and I off the on Zoom that

43:08

was hosted by various people in the paranormal

43:11

world and their fans would come in on Zoom

43:13

and we would.

43:13

Talk cause I imagine having

43:17

this, I mean, what do you call it an ability? Do

43:20

you view it as like a good thing.

43:23

You know what. I always refer to it as an

43:25

ability like any other ability.

43:28

Yeah, I'm kind of on the fence

43:30

with the gift word because it's

43:32

like when you help somebody because the spirit told

43:35

you to tell them something, then that's the

43:37

good part. But the bad part

43:39

is the going days sometime without

43:42

sleep because you can't sleep because

43:44

a lot of the time, what happens if I'm sleep, I'll

43:46

hear different entities

43:49

talking amongst themselves, not to me, but

43:51

I can hear their conversations, so that

43:53

and that it will intrigue me to get up and try

43:55

to see what's going on or see, you

43:57

know, see what they're talking about. So that

43:59

can be the curse part.

44:03

People don't want to come to your house again sometime after

44:05

They not just your house, but sometimes

44:07

they won't want to come around you because they'll feel like I

44:09

gave them bad luck. I

44:14

wouldn't say lost, but I would say

44:17

become kind of a strange because they don't

44:19

want to they feel like I'm putting

44:22

something on them, which obviously that's

44:25

not what I'm trying to do. But they feel like things

44:27

have followed them from being around me,

44:29

and things like that. So we

44:31

don't talk as much, and that's unfortunate,

44:34

but you know, what can I do.

44:36

I think that one of the things that could

44:39

be perceived as like a gift from this

44:41

is that you can help

44:44

people to

44:46

experience it and see this

44:49

stuff for real, you know, because

44:51

as you know, from a young age, people are very

44:53

skeptical and

44:54

they get very

44:58

angry with their bapticism

45:00

about it, calling names and whatever.

45:03

And that's

45:05

why I say, through some

45:07

ghosts that these people invite

45:10

them over.

45:10

I'm glad that there was a lot of things that were

45:12

picked up though that you could see in

45:15

the film, because it kind of

45:17

turns it into well, she's not just talking, you

45:19

know, because yes, I could come on here all day

45:21

and just talk about what I see, right,

45:24

but watching the film and

45:26

seeing that there's even when you know, like I

45:28

said, when the demonologies was there, there were

45:30

things happening that everyone else can now

45:32

see that it's not just me. So it

45:34

was it was kind of helpful a little

45:36

bit because now to certain people who might have

45:39

thought I was nuts, they don't think that anymore.

45:41

I've had people that do know me say,

45:43

okay, I thought she was a little crazy for some

45:45

years, but I don't think

45:47

so anymore.

45:48

But that's major. And it's so beautiful

45:50

that your children that

45:53

have this ability as well are

45:55

growing up with some validation

45:58

you know, from you and and

46:00

now everyone else that can see this that like, no,

46:02

you're not You're not just seeing

46:05

these things in your head. This is other

46:07

people are seeing that. Yeah,

46:09

well, we can wrap this up. I

46:11

so appreciate you guys taking the time

46:14

to talk to me. Where

46:16

do people see the film?

46:18

The handle is It's coming film. It's

46:21

coming film is the handle. It's currently

46:23

on the usual places, Prime,

46:26

Apple TV.

46:27

You choose.

46:30

It's on DVD too, you can patch on DVD, every.

46:32

Smart TV basically, you know how they have all the app

46:34

it's all of them. Yeah.

46:35

Yeah.

46:36

Well, And the thing that I feel like people

46:39

should should

46:41

know when they decide to watch

46:43

it is I feel with

46:46

paranormal TV

46:49

documentary style that

46:51

there's a like preconceived

46:53

notion. It's it's a well established

46:56

now genre that

46:59

you come to exp back to certain effects

47:01

and sounds and uh

47:04

production or whatever, and

47:06

and then people go, oh, I've seen this kind

47:08

of thing, it's fake or whatever. But the thing that's

47:11

interesting about uh,

47:13

this approach that you guys have done. Is

47:16

that it's real, stripped down and

47:19

it's essentially just

47:21

showing a family that is dealing

47:23

with this situation. It's it's not even

47:26

super heavy on the ghost hunting

47:29

necessarily. I think it's I

47:31

wouldn't even like put it in the ghost hunting

47:33

category.

47:34

It's a portion of family.

47:35

Like you said, I think he captured things

47:38

that were just happening. It's live.

47:40

No reenacting.

47:41

Yeah, the most scary reenactments of devils

47:43

and Damon's coming to people

47:46

or anything like that.

47:46

Now, this is is so real and capture

47:49

in the moment in camera.

47:51

I love it.

47:54

Thank you so much to Shannon

47:57

and Ashley. It's

47:59

coming it came? Who

48:03

was that a tale?

48:07

Yeah, you know, check it out. I

48:09

thought it was certainly interesting

48:12

and loved talking to them.

48:15

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48:18

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48:20

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48:22

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49:11

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49:13

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49:16

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49:21

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49:27

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49:29

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49:32

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49:35

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