0:07

What's that at the bed.

0:10

It's spooky, Hey jooky. I'm really

0:12

sure it's dead. It's coming this way.

0:15

Wait a minute, I ghost.

0:19

I los nandas

0:24

Pe. Hey

0:26

boo, it's me Roz

0:29

and welcome to Ghosted

0:32

by Roz Hernandez, the

0:34

podcast where I talk to people that I like

0:37

about the paranormal. I

0:41

want to tell you before we get into this

0:43

episode. I have been so

0:46

busy at work trying

0:49

to pull together a tour

0:53

where I'm going to be going to gay

0:56

bars across the country

0:58

to tell you no ghost related

1:01

uh jokes. And

1:04

I'm just like really excited about it because it's

1:06

opening up all these different markets, you

1:08

know, places that I've never performed

1:11

before and in environments

1:13

that have never had stand

1:15

up before. So it's just, I don't know, it's really fun.

1:17

So I'm going to all kinds of places. Are probably the

1:19

closest to you if you don't

1:21

live in a big city that I'll ever go or

1:24

so far, I don't know. I don't know. But

1:27

if you want to see the full list of all

1:29

the different dates and I will be you know, adding more

1:32

as we go on. Those are all at

1:34

Razhernandez tour dot

1:37

com. But today

1:40

on the podcast, now

1:42

listen. You know, I've

1:45

talked about this many times. My

1:47

inboxes are filled

1:50

with witches and

1:54

tarot readers and all

1:56

these different kinds of magical

1:59

practitioners that want to come on the podcast,

2:02

and I'm very very

2:05

careful about doing

2:07

that and just being

2:09

completely honest with you. I

2:11

know I've said this before, but it's

2:14

just it's just my experience.

2:17

I often get a lot of drama

2:20

from listeners of this podcast when

2:22

I have on people

2:25

that have their their

2:28

practice. You know, I'll have people

2:30

be like, well, this person said this,

2:32

and then that person said that. So

2:35

you know, I like to maybe

2:37

once a year talk

2:39

to somebody about their practice, somebody

2:42

that is very dedicated

2:44

to their practice, and allow

2:47

them space to share it. And

2:50

that is what we have done today and

2:52

it was fascinating. We

2:55

get into sex magic,

2:57

which is something that I don't think we've ever

2:59

talked on this podcast, and it's

3:02

really exciting. So this particular

3:06

guest that we have today, she's big

3:08

on social media. She goes by

3:10

the hood Witch, and her name

3:13

is Brie Luna and she has

3:15

been featured in tons

3:17

of major publications. She

3:19

has a book called Blood Sex

3:22

Magic everyday magic

3:24

for the modern mystic, and

3:27

she's also got some ghost stories, so

3:30

we're going to hear about those and about

3:32

some of her practice in her history

3:35

with it, and I'm

3:37

excited for you to listen. So here

3:39

is my conversation with Bri

3:42

Luna on with the show

3:49

Oh My God. We

3:51

are joined by Brie Luna

3:54

the hood Witch. Hi. Hi,

3:58

how'd you get that name?

4:00

Well? It was originally just

4:02

an homage to my grandmother's

4:05

being that I'm black and Mexican.

4:07

It was like very cheeky but also

4:10

serious because it was like most

4:13

of the time, you know, growing up

4:15

around like local botanicas

4:17

and having grandmother

4:20

that practice Hudu, having a grandmother

4:22

that was practicing Santa Ria, like all

4:24

of these things, having magic

4:27

within my blood. I didn't feel like there was a

4:29

lot of representation for black

4:31

and brown brujas and witches

4:35

and magical folks. So I

4:38

started Hoodwitch and it

4:40

just a self explanted story

4:42

from there.

4:43

I love it. Wait, so you had that you

4:46

had both sides of your family,

4:48

had you know, spiritual witchcraft

4:52

practices?

4:53

Yes? Wow, yeah,

4:55

And it's I feel like it

4:58

was very under represent

5:00

it at the time when I

5:03

launched my website. So

5:06

honestly, like a lot of it was during the time

5:08

where there was that American

5:11

horror story. They had Coven, We

5:13

had Humbler, So you have

5:15

all the white witches and like the

5:18

kind of gothy I always

5:20

call it, like black and silver. So

5:22

we didn't have a lot of like colorful like

5:25

gold and nails and you know what

5:27

I mean, just like and

5:30

just having like our our type of

5:32

like just our cultural representations.

5:34

So I at the time, you

5:37

know, when I started Hoodwich, I was like really

5:39

the only brown and like black woman

5:41

that would show up to these like spiritual

5:45

full moon ritual circles,

5:47

and they're just like, why don't you practice

5:50

voodoo? You know what I mean, Like they're just kind of looking at me,

5:52

like why are you here?

5:55

So what is

5:57

it that you practice? Do you

5:59

do? You are you specific about

6:01

a practice or is it a little bit of

6:04

multiple different practices.

6:06

So I grew up practicing who do

6:09

so? Whodo is a tradition

6:11

that is generally passed

6:13

down to you through blood lineage

6:16

that was from my dad's mother, and

6:19

so I you know, as I grew up, I

6:22

you know, when you're a teenager, I was

6:24

really gravitating towards the magical

6:27

side of things. I just thought

6:29

that my grandmothers who were in their practices

6:31

were like superstitious and like old fashioned.

6:33

So I didn't really see them as being

6:35

like witchy or magical. It just felt

6:38

like, oh, they're spiritual, they're religious,

6:40

you know what I mean. I didn't really see it

6:42

as how popular how we see

6:44

it now. So for

6:47

me, I wanted to be you know, I was like

6:49

alternative. I was like piercings

6:51

and my hair was pink. So I wanted

6:53

to like follow like Wicca

6:55

and like all of which, you know, like I watched the

6:57

crafts. So to me, it was

7:00

like the ethereal more like eurocentric

7:03

magical practices were what was

7:05

accessible. However, as

7:08

I grew up, I began to really

7:10

reconnect back to my own culture

7:13

and my own you know, family spiritual

7:15

practices and realizing wow, like you

7:17

know, this is already something that's within

7:20

you, that's what's inside of you. So I

7:22

have grown up. I've learned a lot from

7:24

many different practitioners throughout

7:27

my life, and I've hung

7:29

out no Satanist, I

7:31

know, you know a lot of which is from like

7:34

the left hand path, Uh, spiritual

7:36

practitioners who practice like Vuru,

7:39

Huru, Santaia, Purnas,

7:41

you know, all of these things. So I've learned

7:43

a lot, you know, from just so many

7:45

different people in my life. But for

7:48

my own practices, I would say

7:50

that I am a practitioner of uru.

7:53

I am a practitioner with using

7:56

color magic, with using you know, just

7:58

sort of like infusing my own

8:01

practice totally.

8:06

I have like a history with witchcraft.

8:09

I don't know that I

8:11

practice it. I just know

8:13

a lot about a lot of different things

8:16

from mainly from doing this podcast

8:19

and the people that I've met and

8:22

listen. There's been a lot of money spent on

8:24

crystals. There's been a

8:27

lot of different candles in the house,

8:29

and a lot of herbs and oils

8:32

and all of it. But I

8:34

don't necessarily know that I have like a

8:37

specific practice. But I

8:39

don't know. I'm fascinated by all of

8:41

it.

8:42

You're definitely witchy.

8:44

It's my bangs. I think it's

8:46

because I have bangs and then people just give

8:49

me crystals.

8:50

I think that's the best way. I think that

8:52

you have such a connection already

8:55

with the other you know,

8:57

as people saying like paranormal but like with the

9:00

realm of spirit and energy

9:02

and how you connect people and gravitate

9:05

towards the more unknown

9:08

side of things, right And for

9:11

me, I've never really called

9:14

my magic by any names.

9:16

So I grew up as being

9:18

someone who is very psychically sensitive,

9:21

and I didn't, you know, I never really

9:24

knew what to call that or

9:26

like what do you call that? Is that witchy?

9:28

But you know, as a little as a little kid to me, I

9:30

just knew that it was something very different.

9:33

And the things that I saw, the energy

9:35

that I felt, I knew other people did

9:38

not have that type of gift,

9:41

if that makes sense.

9:42

Like how does it manifest for you?

9:45

So I always laugh because when I go into

9:47

homes or buildings or

9:50

new spaces, I'm very good with

9:53

feeling imprint of energy. I

9:56

always used to call it ghost energy or

9:58

like death energy. I'm like,

10:00

like someone died in here, and I like really

10:02

can take on. I'll get like flashes

10:04

of images or

10:07

hear certain things, or I'll see certain

10:10

things. So I would say a lot of like clear audience

10:12

and clairvoyance,

10:15

and that manifest in ways where

10:17

it was incredibly frightening. But

10:20

now you know, as again, as like getting

10:22

older, you

10:24

really begin to connect with that part

10:27

of yourself. And so for me, not

10:31

being afraid of these things

10:33

and not being afraid to question is

10:35

always been has been helpful.

10:38

Have you ever done like a ghost hunt

10:40

or like gone someplace that

10:43

the people are like this place is hunted, come

10:45

investigate or help us out

10:47

or any of that.

10:49

I don't think intentionally. I think

10:51

it always happens to me like unintentionally,

10:54

because the spirits, they really they'll

10:57

you know, they gravitate towards me, so they'll

10:59

know like, oh, she can hear

11:01

us, or she can see us, or you

11:03

know, it'll manifest in some way.

11:05

But it used to, I'm gonna be

11:07

honest with you, it really used to scare

11:10

the fuck out of me.

11:11

Well I imagine, I mean, when

11:14

how old were you the first time something

11:16

like this happened? That's terrifying.

11:19

Oh, I was probably

11:21

seven eight years old. We

11:26

used to live in a house in Los Angeles,

11:28

So this is something that is always in

11:30

my family. So I didn't

11:33

write about this a lot in my book, and

11:35

I feel like I should have. But

11:38

my grandfather growing up, he

11:40

had an old house, and my

11:43

cousins and my older sister and

11:45

I we would sleep over at this house.

11:48

It's like an old like craftsman style house,

11:52

very very old and really cool,

11:55

and it was creepy as shit.

11:57

And so when we were younger, my grandfather

12:00

used to have one of those big old TVs like

12:02

this is the kind you know that used to like sit on

12:04

the floor like those really they're

12:07

like super old. So anyway, for the young audience,

12:10

yes, they had knobs. So we

12:12

would go to bed at night and you

12:15

would hear that big TV like

12:17

turn on by itself, and

12:20

you'd hear the channels changing.

12:22

And so for younger

12:24

audience back in the day, after

12:26

a certain amount of time, there were not a lot

12:28

of things that would still be on TV. So you'd have

12:30

like static or you'd have like

12:33

just weird channels that would like play like you

12:35

know, like a sound like the testing. My

12:37

sister and I I can recall a story. We're in bed,

12:39

we're sleeping, and we hear the big

12:42

TV turn on and the kitchen

12:44

doors that used to have kind of like those swinging

12:47

like I don't know what they call them, those like Western like

12:49

when.

12:49

You sing loose doors.

12:50

Yeah, Like they had those saloon doors and

12:53

the kitchen and you heard

12:55

them at like one o'clock in the morning,

12:58

two am, the TV turns on. It's

13:00

full fucking blast static,

13:03

and you hear the saloon doors

13:05

like swinging, like swooshing open,

13:08

and we'd hear like the cabinets open,

13:11

and so my grandfather would like laugh

13:13

at it and just be like, oh, that's nothing. And

13:16

I remember just being so petrified,

13:20

just hiding with like the blanket

13:22

over our head because we were so afraid.

13:25

We were terrified at night, and I was like, I don't

13:27

want to sleep there. I don't want to stay there.

13:29

But here's the story of that. So the

13:32

dining room used to have like top floor

13:34

to ceiling mirrors in the dining area,

13:37

so it was like all original old mirrors.

13:39

And the story has it is that the

13:42

woman who lived there before committed suicide

13:45

and she hung herself right

13:47

in front of the mirrors, like in the off

13:49

of the beams in that area.

13:51

So so it was her trying

13:53

to find a channel to watch.

13:56

I mean, I don't know, maybe it was,

13:58

but she used to scare the shit of us.

14:00

But my dad thinks

14:02

that it was my uh step

14:04

grandmother. So here's a fun witch

14:07

war like, So my step grandmother,

14:09

my grandfather was a cheater, okay, and

14:12

he hooked up with this woman named

14:15

Eula, and so Ula

14:17

was a from Louisiana and she was a practitioner

14:20

of magic, and so was my grandmother,

14:23

and so they were beefing over him.

14:27

Did the magic come into play? Were they putting

14:29

spells on each other?

14:30

Yes? Yes they were. They were. There

14:32

was a full blown witch war, okay.

14:34

They were like burying shit in each other's

14:36

yards and fighting

14:39

over my grandfather. And so finally

14:41

Ula ends up winning him, and

14:44

he left his wife and his

14:47

five children for her.

14:49

Oh my god.

14:51

The story goes that she

14:54

used to be working magic in their

14:56

house, and so Ula was

14:58

really tapped in and she was very connected,

15:02

and so my grandmother was like whatever,

15:04

like you can have them. What if he's gonna

15:06

like leave his children and like leave meet

15:08

whatever? Fuck him, you know. So the

15:10

story goes that my grandmother hexts

15:13

their relationships so good that

15:15

he would never be faithful to her,

15:18

and she always had to keep using magic

15:21

to try to keep him, and it never worked.

15:24

So he always cheated on her up until he

15:26

died, up until both of them died.

15:29

That man never stayed faithful to her

15:31

ever.

15:31

This sounds like a movie I need to

15:33

watch, just like the two witches

15:36

constantly hexting each

15:39

other and putting spells

15:41

on each other.

15:42

The two Southern witches. Yeah,

15:44

my grandmother was very much like that Southern

15:48

bell, like southern it's I

15:50

always call it. Was. It called like sweet and

15:53

like kind of nasty. So it was like

15:55

nasty nice, I think it's what they call it. But

15:57

it's like they're nice to you, and

15:59

they'll like, oh, bless your heart. So people

16:02

from the South know what blessed your heart means.

16:04

Total that's Southern shade.

16:06

It's Southern for fuck you, where they're like, ye,

16:09

your heart.

16:12

Wait, tell me some more ghost stories.

16:15

Oh my god. Okay, So I

16:18

went with two of my girlfriends to

16:20

a bar in Los Angeles called

16:22

The Association, and

16:24

we went for a hip hop night.

16:27

Okay. So it was like full of just it was

16:29

like wrap hip hop whatever,

16:31

R and B. It was like a fun night. And

16:34

so we go there having

16:36

drinks. Everyone's having a good time and

16:39

we're going to the restroom. So you know how girls

16:41

are. We go to the bathroom and we're

16:44

taking selfies in the mirror like

16:46

we're super turned. At this point, like we're

16:48

very like drunk, and

16:50

we're like just shooting firing

16:52

off pictures, selfies, hitting every

16:54

angle and there weren't

16:57

any other girls in the bathroom with us, and

16:59

so we were just having a ball. We had our own little

17:01

private photo shoot. We're just taking all the photos.

17:04

So we go back out, we're having fun.

17:07

We leave that night, and the

17:09

next morning, we're like hungover and I was like,

17:11

oh, I want to post those pictures on

17:13

Instagram. We look so cute. Like, let's go

17:15

through the pictures. So

17:18

I opened my phone and we're scrolling through,

17:20

swiping through, like trying to find the best

17:22

one to put on Instagram. And

17:26

I look in the background of one of the pictures

17:28

and I was like, who the fuck is that? And

17:30

I was like, who is this old white lady? And

17:33

I am not joking night,

17:37

No, that's what makes this story

17:39

so much crazier. Mind

17:42

you, Like, I mean, it's a pretty diverse

17:44

group, but let's be real. Everyone

17:46

there was like black or like let the you

17:48

know, like it was like it was a hip hop night was

17:50

in LA so it was like there wasn't a you're

17:52

not going to see like an eighty year old white woman

17:55

okay. At the hip hop night. So

17:58

we're looking through the pictures. My friend

18:00

Jianny her mom, I was like who is

18:02

this? Like what is this? And she looks

18:05

at the photo and she was like, who is that woman?

18:08

But it gets worse. RAS's it's

18:10

it's creepier. Okay,

18:14

you have to see the photo.

18:15

I'm the photo. Can I pull

18:17

it?

18:19

Okay?

18:19

Yeah? And is it okay

18:21

with you? If we put this on our Instagram?

18:24

Yes? Put it. Everyone needs

18:26

to see it.

18:27

Anyone listening. Go to Instagram

18:30

ghosted by ros At,

18:33

ghosted by ras and you will see this photo

18:35

posted today.

18:36

So the first photo, I

18:39

am the one holding my phone with a big

18:41

curly hair h My friend Michelle

18:43

is in the middle. Johnny is on the right

18:46

right. So we're snapping off the photos

18:49

and at the time with that that

18:51

make of iPhone. I don't know if you guys remember

18:53

this, but there used to be a

18:55

little button on the bottom,

18:58

like the little touch button, so you can hold

19:00

the button and it would fire off like multiple

19:03

shots, very quickly rapit, yes,

19:06

like a rabbit shot. So I was

19:09

holding the button and we were like taking the

19:11

selfies. So when I get home, you

19:13

know, we're going through the photos and we're all creeped

19:15

out now. And I

19:18

look to the right of Giohnny, who

19:21

is wearing the blue and white striped

19:23

shirt. And if you look to the far

19:25

right corner, there is a hand,

19:27

a white hand with now polish,

19:30

yes, and it's coming out

19:32

of the mirror of

19:35

If you look at the second photo, because I gave

19:37

you, guys, like another second

19:39

shot, so you can see on the

19:41

right there is a mirror. There

19:44

is a door to the back, and then

19:47

if you know the location of the association,

19:49

there's no other door there. That's just a wall,

19:52

and then a big mirror to the right. And

19:55

so going through all of my shots, there's

19:57

nothing else from her.

19:58

It was just that woman in that Wait,

20:01

where's the woman?

20:02

She's like right there where you're at.

20:04

Oh that lady. Okay, wait wait, so

20:07

that hand is not connected to

20:09

her.

20:09

No, so that's the thing. It looks

20:11

like from my own theory, Like, I'm

20:14

not joking you guys, like this changed

20:16

my life. This, I'm

20:19

not joking it. It changed my life because

20:22

I started to think, okay, outside

20:24

of superstition, outside

20:27

of the supernatural, like

20:29

paranormal on a scientific

20:32

level. It started making me think. I was like,

20:34

well, if I'm snapping off photos in

20:36

the mirror and then this is happening

20:39

in this blip of time, what

20:41

if there is some overlapping

20:44

you know, timeline, like maybe

20:46

she is alive and it's happening because

20:49

that bar apparently it was built

20:51

maybe in like they said, in the nineteen thirties

20:54

or forties. And so I was like,

20:56

well, what if there's an overlap in a timeline,

20:59

that's how happening because inside of that bar,

21:02

they still have all of like the original

21:04

like interiors and like

21:07

the decorations are still pretty old,

21:09

like the building itself is really really

21:11

old. And I was like,

21:13

well what if And my friends started laughing,

21:15

and I was like this is my theory. And I was like, well,

21:18

what if she and her friends

21:20

are partying and they you know,

21:22

she went to the bathroom and she looked in the mirror,

21:24

and she said, the most peculiar thing

21:26

happened. I saw three like colored

21:29

girls in the mirror, you know, like,

21:31

oh, white lady with this like old

21:34

fashioned hair. So what if she's

21:36

like telling her friends like the strangest

21:39

thing happened. I saw these weird like

21:41

I saw these women in the mirror and

21:44

and they're like, yeah, okay, sure, get let's

21:46

go. You're drunk, like, let's go home. And

21:48

you see her friend. You see

21:50

this other hand, this white hand coming

21:53

out of the mirror, and it looks like it's,

21:55

you know, summoning her to come back

21:57

to the mirror.

22:00

You have a part down the middle. Is that

22:02

what I'm looking at?

22:03

It looks like a swoop like it's kind

22:05

of like it's gray and it's like a

22:09

all the way in. So

22:12

do you see it with your cursor? Like move it?

22:14

You see the like hair, what's.

22:17

That orange ish area?

22:19

What is that face? That's her white face?

22:21

And you can see her eyebrow if you zoom anymore.

22:24

I have like examined this photo

22:26

so many times. I have like contacted

22:29

like paranormal people.

22:31

I have contacted Zach Bagant and I

22:34

said to.

22:36

Did he say anything?

22:37

Yeah, I went to his museum. He's like blown

22:40

away, really yes.

22:42

Because the fun part about

22:44

this is that the

22:47

metadata on this I told

22:49

anyone, I was like, I am down

22:52

to have anybody who

22:54

dares to even challenge this. I

22:57

have the phone, the metadata, I

22:59

have everything, baby, Like we can put it into forensic

23:01

styles.

23:04

I can see something.

23:06

I just can't tell her

23:09

features.

23:10

So okay, can you go around

23:13

like girl, scroll down through between Michelle's

23:15

legs too.

23:17

I know, I see.

23:19

It's a body. It's gray. It's like it's

23:21

translucent, it's gray. I

23:24

mean, I've had people study this image

23:26

who teach like medium ship

23:29

classes and all of

23:31

those things, and like I've said, I've always just

23:33

like wanted help or anyone

23:35

like we should go back there. I don't know if it can.

23:37

You know, like I reached out.

23:40

I even left a Yelp review so you guys

23:42

can look top I did I

23:44

put I put this bottle everywhere because

23:46

I was like, you guys, there is a freaking

23:49

ghost in the picture, like look

23:51

at it. And so even some of the

23:53

staff has told me, like, weird

23:56

things have happened at night. I

23:59

send it to the owner of the bar. I

24:01

started doing history, like trying

24:03

to research like the building, and

24:06

the owners of the bar they just like

24:08

laughed and they were just like yeah, well, they were like

24:10

it's a really old building. So they

24:13

didn't deny that it was like a possibility,

24:15

you know totally.

24:17

I completely is that downtown,

24:20

Yes, it's downtown. Yeah, all those

24:22

buildings are haunted for sure. Oh

24:26

my god. The bathroom lady goes,

24:28

the old lady in the bathroom, the.

24:30

Old white lady in the bathroom right

24:33

up night time access.

24:35

What I was thinking was that, Okay,

24:38

like you can tell it's like a rounded head. There's

24:41

like apart down the middle. And

24:43

then right by your friend holding the little Martini

24:45

glass, right where her shoulder is, you could

24:47

see like a nose and then eyes.

24:51

I was thinking that that was the face.

24:53

No, her nose. Her eyebrow

24:55

is right where Jihnny's shoulder is, so right

24:57

where you have the cursor.

24:59

That's an eyebrow. It's like the browbone.

25:01

But yes, that's what exactly

25:04

Okay, the bone.

25:08

Yes, she's it's her side

25:10

profile.

25:11

It's her profile because she's walking towards

25:13

the mirror.

25:14

Okay, now I see her. So

25:17

her skin is that kind

25:19

of weird people? Yeah,

25:23

okay, now pull out a little bit, jieha.

25:26

Now look down at the body. Scroll down,

25:29

like look between Michelle and

25:31

Gianni. It's like gray.

25:34

Oh my god.

25:36

But the hand is so disgusting

25:38

if you zoom on the hand, it's

25:41

so gross.

25:43

The way to the Can I tell

25:45

you how.

25:45

Many nightmares I've had zoom.

25:52

What is it holding? What

25:54

if it's like cemetery dirt?

25:56

I don't know.

25:58

Oh my god, it's

26:00

so creepy. But I'm obsessed with

26:03

this old lady being like, no, I want to go to hip

26:05

hop night and her friend being like, girl,

26:07

we gotta go.

26:09

When I tell you, it truly was like the

26:11

most ratchet fun

26:14

just like it was. It was very

26:16

very lit that night. It was packed

26:18

full of people, crowded, and

26:21

everyone was sweating and dancing.

26:23

We were having the best time that it was like, it

26:25

was amazing.

26:26

So the skeptics might be like, is

26:28

it a discoloration in the wood behind

26:31

you?

26:32

My dad tried to say that when I was like, oh,

26:34

like maybe it's just a

26:36

glare from the like like,

26:38

like, baby, when have you ever seen a glare

26:41

with the shape of a woman's head? And where

26:43

the fuck did the hand come from? I

26:46

showed my dad I like I showed him

26:49

all of the series and like I said, I am

26:51

willing to have anybody who challenges

26:53

my photo. We can go to forensics,

26:56

we can go to forensic files, we

26:58

can test it, we can do I don't care.

27:00

It's like this photo truly has

27:03

proof that there is something and

27:06

it maybe if you don't even believe in ghosts

27:08

or spirits, then do you believe

27:11

in multi dimensions?

27:13

Do you believe in like other dimensions

27:15

are like alternate reality. I don't know, Like

27:18

I couldn't even explain it because I'm

27:20

not like some quantum you know

27:22

what I mean, like quantum physicshit going on, but

27:24

like truly like this is another

27:26

timeline, like overlapping.

27:29

I want you to go back there and try

27:31

to find it.

27:32

I do too.

27:34

How long ago was this?

27:35

This was in I believe twenty

27:38

fifteen, twenty fourteen, twenty

27:40

fifteen. I also look and see I think it

27:42

was twenty fifteen.

27:44

I love it.

27:45

I've been ranting and raving about it ever

27:47

since, because you know how it is like

27:49

when people are like, oh, I have a ghost photo,

27:51

and then it's like some obscure like blob

27:54

of a fake.

27:55

Like what is like girl now the

27:57

holy ground? What we all want is the

28:00

full body apparition.

28:02

I have the full body apparition. I

28:06

have a disembodied hand.

28:09

With nail polish on, and she has

28:12

no.

28:12

Polish, And I'm like, you can look at our hands,

28:15

you can look at everything. It's like we don't. I have

28:18

stiletto nails, Like that's been

28:20

my trademark look for the past

28:22

decade.

28:23

So I love it. Do

28:25

you have other ghost stories?

28:27

I do. I mean they all have to do with

28:29

bars in Los Angeles.

28:31

Hell, Yes, I love it.

28:33

LA is a very uh It's

28:36

a beautiful and spooky place.

28:39

And I feel like I was telling

28:41

my literary agent, I want to make a book

28:43

about all of these like haunted

28:46

and very special places in Los Angeles,

28:48

and he's like, I will think about

28:50

it, like you know, and I'm like, people want

28:52

to hear it.

28:53

Tom, Well, there's

28:55

so many interesting

28:57

kind of ghosts in LA.

29:00

You know. There's like a lot of movie

29:03

star or aspiring movie

29:05

star types. There's creative

29:07

types, there's mob

29:10

people. You know, there's really interesting

29:13

ghosts.

29:14

There's a lot of Like I mean, the history

29:17

in and of itself is just it's really

29:19

fascinating. And my

29:23

family, you know, and my grandparents

29:25

and things like that, like have lived in

29:27

Los Angeles for over one hundred

29:30

years.

29:31

Wow.

29:31

So I have a lineage in

29:34

California like in Los Angeles,

29:36

and so I just

29:38

feel so grounded and so connected

29:41

and I feel so protected when I'm there,

29:43

which is like different from you know,

29:45

when a lot of people come to LA, they're

29:47

like, oh, it's so fake and

29:49

everyone's just so shallow and blah

29:51

blah. But that's because you only

29:54

stick to like one small

29:56

group of people, and you know,

29:58

you're like a transplant. You don't really understand

30:00

the culture. You don't really go

30:02

outside of your bubble. So

30:05

that's something I always challenge

30:07

people who moved to Los

30:09

Angeles. It's like, get outside of your comfort

30:12

bubble. Go to areas outside of

30:14

like you know, Silver

30:16

Lake and like whatever, you know, like

30:19

Hollywood and all these things. It's like, go to

30:21

like real places and understand

30:24

where you're at and at least do some research on

30:26

the history. So anyway, another

30:29

story, there's a bar and called

30:31

Dirty Laundry

30:34

and it's in LA and that

30:36

place is super haunted too.

30:39

It was like a speakeasy. It's kind of like a speakeasy.

30:41

I don't even know if they're still in business.

30:44

Where is that downtown? I'm looking a up right

30:46

now.

30:47

I don't know where it's at. I'm like I was

30:49

drunk, Like I

30:52

was like really drunk, and I went there.

30:53

Well, they got a website and looks like they're still open.

30:56

It says it's a seventeen

30:58

twenty five North Hudson's. Okay,

31:01

so it seems like maybe Hollywood. So

31:03

you're drunk, You're at this place called Dirty

31:06

Laundry.

31:06

Yes, I go there with the same group of

31:09

girls, and that's where we started laughing. We're like, maybe

31:11

we have like the coven

31:13

energy of the ghost

31:15

untresses. Yes, but

31:18

one of my girlfriends was going to like meet

31:20

with some guy that she like met off

31:22

of whatever app and

31:26

so we go there. We're like having cocktails,

31:28

having the best time, and

31:31

there's this room. There's an

31:33

area that's like sectioned off now

31:36

because I went recently and it's closed

31:38

off. They no longer allowed people to be in

31:40

that room. And so we're

31:42

in that room. I'm laying on this

31:45

like chase lounge, and

31:47

I asked my friend to take a photo

31:49

of me. So she takes a photo, and then there's

31:51

one we have like a really cool chandelier

31:54

hanging above the top of

31:56

the ceiling. So I'm standing there and

31:58

I'm like drunk and like having fun, and

32:01

so she's taking all these photos of me. Yet

32:04

again, go home sober

32:06

up, look at the photos

32:08

and I was like, wow, there's an orb,

32:11

and you see it move from the

32:13

bookshelf to sitting

32:16

next to me. And then when

32:18

you look at the photo of me standing up

32:20

underneath this chandelier, there

32:23

is an orb on my crotch and

32:26

then on the side

32:28

of me. And so I was

32:31

dying laughing. But that

32:34

night, I specifically remember

32:36

that was the first time I had ever

32:39

seen a black shadow

32:42

figure of a Christen. And

32:45

so he was in the corner of

32:47

the room that we were in, and it was just us

32:50

because we were taking photos in there, you

32:52

know, like trying to be cute. So we

32:54

like took we were taking our little photo shoot

32:57

in that room, and I look over

32:59

and I saw this fire of a like a

33:01

black figure of a man, and

33:03

I look at him and I said hey, and

33:05

he just who He looked back

33:07

and dropped into the ground because

33:11

he was shook.

33:13

I said, hey, he thought he was

33:15

just creeping, and then he said, oh, no, you

33:17

can see me.

33:18

Yes, he was, like it was creepy

33:20

as shit. Like I had never in my life

33:22

up until that point, I have never

33:25

seen like a shadowed figure

33:28

in my entire life, of my ghostly

33:30

little life of seeing like apparitions,

33:34

seeing weird things, I've

33:36

never seen anything like that in my life, and it

33:39

was so freaky. But apparently I'm

33:41

not the only person that has seen that in that

33:43

room, because again, they don't

33:45

open that room to the public anymore. It's

33:47

not open, it's they close it off.

33:50

How do you interpret something

33:52

like that, like why does it look different than

33:54

like an apparition of a human Do

33:57

you think it's like a different kind of

33:59

energy or.

34:01

I definitely do, because when we're thinking about

34:03

it, like the location, So we're

34:05

in a bar, and generally

34:08

at most bars are haunted.

34:11

I'm using that word like very loosely, and I don't

34:13

mean it like in some like Pultzter Guys

34:15

type of way, but sometimes, yes, a Poulter Guys

34:17

type of way. But most bars

34:19

are haunted because we think

34:22

of the people, and we think about

34:24

the energy that collects in

34:26

those spaces. Oftentimes

34:29

you have people who are going through really

34:33

serious traumas. We have

34:36

people who are drinking to get away, drinking

34:38

to celebrate. You know, whenever

34:40

we have the spirits when we think of alcohol,

34:43

those are spirits. And why

34:45

do we have spirits in certain

34:48

spiritual ritual traditions,

34:51

It is because it does connect

34:54

you to a another

34:56

realm. It allows

34:58

access into your human

35:01

vessel. When we talk about possession,

35:04

oftentimes when people say, oh my god,

35:06

I went out, I was drinking and I blacked out,

35:08

I don't remember anything. I don't

35:10

know what happened. Aside from

35:13

the science of things, you do

35:15

have earth bound entities. You do

35:17

have spirits that can inhabit your

35:19

vessel while you're drunk. So

35:22

there is that whole situation where

35:24

some people argue with you, like, no, no, no,

35:27

you're just drunk. It's science, it

35:29

is you know there, it's alcohol. When

35:32

you drink. Yes, you're gonna be less inhibited.

35:34

Bad things are gonna happen, are things that

35:37

you just wouldn't ordinarily do out

35:39

of character for you. However,

35:42

spiritually, if you know, for

35:44

the people who don't believe in the spiritual part, stop

35:46

listening. But for the

35:49

witches and for the people who are, you know,

35:51

maybe a little bit more curious, spirits

35:54

do connect to you. We have libations,

35:56

we leave offerings of

35:58

spirits, tequila, mezcal,

36:02

jin rum, we use all

36:04

of those things. I went to a Haitian voodoo

36:06

ceremony and they also have

36:09

a drink that is made

36:11

for the GeTe so during fet

36:14

GeTe, which is around the time of

36:16

did Los Mortos, it's like during

36:18

these times of the dead, October,

36:21

the end of October, during Sourin,

36:23

so it's like during the time of the dead

36:26

honoring the dead. At this

36:28

Haitian voodoo ceremony that I went to in

36:30

New Orleans, they had a

36:32

drink. I'm so sorry, guys, I don't remember the name

36:34

of it. If I'm butchering this, I'm sorry,

36:36

but like that's okay. There is a drink

36:39

in Haiti that is made during the

36:41

GeTe ceremonies, and

36:44

it's where you put lots

36:46

of burning hot peppers and they soak

36:48

them in alcohol. And so once

36:51

you become mounted or possessed

36:53

by the spirits, by the loa,

36:57

you're able to drink this hot

36:59

pepper alcohol that if

37:01

you're not mounted, if you're not possessed

37:04

with these spirits, or you're not embodying

37:06

these spirits, it will literally

37:09

burn a hole through your tongue and you

37:11

can you can search this. This is this

37:13

is very real. You have

37:15

to be possessed in embodying

37:18

these spirits. Papagee, the

37:20

gety spirits are

37:23

those who watch over

37:25

the grave and over the graveyard, and they

37:27

love to celebrate death and they're festive

37:30

and they're fun and they're like wild.

37:33

So when you're drinking this alcohol, you

37:36

you won't get burned. Your tongue is not gonna

37:39

get burned. Like it's it's

37:41

almost as if you're just drinking regular

37:43

alcohol.

37:45

WHOA.

37:46

So there is that connection on what I'm basically

37:48

like roundabout way of saying

37:50

that alcohol has

37:53

such a history, you know,

37:56

with spirits, Why we leave libations

37:58

on our altars, Why

38:00

we leave libations to

38:03

summon spirits and specific

38:05

entities and when you're working with

38:07

them and leaving

38:10

them as an offering of gratitude

38:12

and as a you know, honoring

38:14

of respect. But I do

38:16

think it is important for people to understand

38:19

when you go to bars, there

38:21

is a lot of low energy,

38:24

a lot of darker is what people see,

38:26

like darker energies, because

38:29

we do have that attachment just

38:31

because and I think it's important for people to know just

38:33

because you die does not

38:36

mean you're going to become some elevated

38:38

angelic spirit. Some people

38:41

still stay being a piece

38:43

of shit, or like if you suffer

38:45

it with alcoholism, if you

38:48

suffer it with drug addiction and you die

38:50

and you're an alcoholic, or you die of cirrhosis

38:53

of the liver. Where else would you want to

38:55

be? I'm going at the bar, so

38:58

drink, And why would

39:01

you not want to have that chance

39:03

of having a vessel

39:05

to take hold of, to

39:09

possess, or to take control of. If

39:11

you see them leaving

39:13

their vessel, leaving their body, it's

39:16

very easy for an entity who

39:19

is very I guess you would say like low.

39:22

I don't want to say like low vibration because I don't

39:25

I also don't want to put a stigma that like, oh,

39:27

if you're an alcoholic, you're going to have a low vibration

39:30

and be like stuck at a bar. That's not what I'm

39:32

saying. I'm saying that we all know, you

39:34

know that there are certain people who

39:37

are living that are assholes and

39:39

just so happen to be alcoholics, and

39:41

they like being in these spaces. So

39:44

why would they not, you know, want

39:46

to continue on in

39:48

the afterlife. That's all I'm saying.

39:49

What about not

39:51

even necessarily an afterlife thing? But

39:53

if somebody is in a low

39:56

place and they're at a

39:59

bar, do you believe that

40:01

their bad energy can

40:04

be left there? Afterwards,

40:06

or you know, kind of

40:08

a like a spiritual

40:11

fart lingering in the air.

40:13

That's exactly what I'm almost getting

40:16

at, where it's just like we all

40:18

have encountered it in real waking

40:21

life. You meet someone who is just

40:24

so exhausting, it's like energy

40:27

vampire, and then when you're

40:29

drinking with them, it's like, oh god, it

40:31

just gets worse because and it's like they start crying

40:33

and it's like you hear every sad

40:36

story. Then my wife left me, and

40:38

my kids don't love me anymore and everybody

40:40

hates me, and woe is me?

40:43

And I need to keep drinking. And imagine

40:46

you're the bartender. I think most bartenders

40:49

will get this where it's like if you work, even

40:52

in like the service industry, we

40:54

encounter so many people that

40:56

are just so incredibly draining,

40:59

and so imagine when you die,

41:02

it doesn't elevate you, like you're not going

41:04

to become this like magical angel.

41:06

Some people get stuck in

41:08

that rut of just being earth

41:11

bound entities, and

41:13

it goes also into using

41:17

like you know, seances and Ouiji

41:19

boards and da da da da da, We're gonna go on

41:21

all day where it's like who are you connecting

41:24

with, who is earth bound?

41:26

Who is not elevated? And there

41:28

are some spiritual practices that you can

41:31

do to elevate your family

41:34

members or people who may have

41:36

not had a great life that like have passed

41:38

on, even just by like honoring

41:41

them, putting them on a place in the altar.

41:43

You know, like there's certain things that you can do

41:45

for them.

41:46

When you talk about leaving alcohol at

41:49

altars for spirits,

41:51

do you think in future

41:54

generations they're going to be leaving like Fireball

41:58

or like White Claw.

42:00

Yes, I would encourage I want them

42:02

to. I told my son. I was like, if

42:05

you don't build me the most decadent altar

42:08

ever with. I want ship

42:10

and pain, I want perfume. I want

42:12

food. I'm a Taurus. I want the

42:14

works. Okay, I want food, wine,

42:17

drinks, hedonism. I want

42:19

every sexy gothic babe

42:21

at my tombstone taking photos.

42:24

I want a photo shoot. It's like, girl, take

42:26

all the photos.

42:27

Hell, yeah, tell me about

42:29

your book.

42:30

So my book was released on

42:33

Halloween and it's

42:36

called Blood Sex Magic. It's released through

42:38

Harper One and

42:40

it's just it's my baby. It's my

42:42

first well not my first baby.

42:44

My second baby. It's

42:47

my second baby, but no. My book is titled

42:49

Blood Sex Magic, and it is a

42:52

collection of stories,

42:56

spells and just practical

42:59

ways of utilizing magic

43:02

and terot spreads, and honestly,

43:04

it was like it's my first book, and I

43:07

just I feel like there's still so much more

43:10

that like I want to say and like I

43:12

want to do. But I

43:15

love this book so much because of the art.

43:18

It's like it's it's very visually

43:20

stunning and beautiful, and I

43:23

take so much pride in it because I

43:26

designed it. Like there's not a lot

43:28

of major publishers

43:30

that will allow you to do like a full

43:32

color book that I got

43:35

to design and really like make

43:37

it my, you know, my

43:39

my own. And I was very

43:41

adamant on that because I like to

43:43

call myself a visual storyteller

43:46

and I really take my art

43:48

and my vision seriously. So that

43:51

was something that was like a non negotiable for me.

43:53

Congratulations, Yeah,

43:56

tell me about sex Magic.

43:58

Sex Magic. What do you want to start?

44:01

So this is stuff that you cover in

44:03

the book Sex Magic.

44:05

So I didn't want to go like too crazy

44:07

because for me, like I

44:09

think that there is an amount of responsibility

44:12

that you have whatever, like if you're sharing bills

44:15

or if you're sharing any type of magical

44:18

work. So I wanted to share with

44:22

maybe people who are like a

44:24

novice or you know, like just getting

44:26

into their magical

44:28

practice, or maybe they're curious. So to

44:31

me, this is more along the lines

44:33

of like an intro to sex magic

44:36

for a person who may not have

44:38

really any like understanding

44:40

of what that is. And so for

44:43

my readers, I just give them a

44:45

basic intro of how to work

44:48

with your sexual energy, how to channel your

44:50

sexual energy to I

44:53

guess I hate using this word, but

44:55

I'm going to do it, guys, to manifest

44:58

your intention to work with the power

45:00

of your sexual energy and

45:02

creating what it is that

45:05

you want. So I do discuss

45:07

in a very practical manner where it's like, no, you're

45:10

not going to get like a new car

45:12

just because you like fuck some guy and you're like

45:15

you're like, oh yeah, I mean

45:17

actually you probably could get

45:19

a new car. Okay, let meet us.

45:22

Guy's got a lot of money, maybe get.

45:24

You yes, So let me us start all over

45:26

with that, because you can manifest

45:28

anything that you want using your

45:30

sexual energy and your

45:33

sexual power as long as it's

45:35

consensual, So that's a huge

45:37

thing too. I'm very big obviously,

45:39

everyone should be very big on consent. So

45:43

consensual sexual magic

45:46

and raising your vibration and

45:48

really just like manifesting what it

45:50

is that you want using the power of your sexual

45:53

energy.

45:54

And that's something that you can do alone

45:57

or with one person or a group of

45:59

people, right, Like, Yes, I

46:01

had a person one time on a dating app.

46:04

Their profiles said that they were looking

46:06

for someone to do sex magic

46:08

with, and I was like, what is that? Like,

46:11

tell me more, and then they

46:13

were like sort of just telling me about it. But I was

46:15

like, I don't know if I want to do this with some complete stranger,

46:18

but I was just curious

46:20

like about it.

46:21

So I absolutely would

46:23

not practice sex magic with a

46:25

complete stranger unless I was

46:27

the one that was in control

46:30

of what the intent was,

46:33

right, But I probably wouldn't let them

46:35

know. And I think to some degree,

46:38

you know, as witches, what depends

46:40

on what kind of which you are. I can be

46:42

a little bit of a naughty witch, So what

46:45

does that mean, you know, if you're dating

46:48

and you're like harnessing that energy,

46:50

if you're I think this is why even

46:53

with like my girls and

46:56

friends who are sexual sex

46:59

workers. I think that

47:01

most sex workers are like the biggest

47:03

and most powerful witches because

47:06

they know how to enchant, they

47:09

know the subconscious of most of

47:11

their clients, they know how to get

47:14

money, they know how to they

47:16

know the human psyche on

47:18

a deeper level than like your

47:20

average like layman could ever understand

47:23

or like really know. So I

47:25

do think that some of my friends who are

47:27

practicing sex switches

47:30

and sex workers shout out

47:32

to them because they're getting

47:34

that money get into the bag. And also

47:36

like enchanting.

47:39

Yeah, I'm I just

47:42

find it a really fascinating thing that I don't

47:44

think has ever come up on

47:46

this podcast sex Magic.

47:49

I love it. I mean. And also in the book,

47:52

I put a pretty controversial spell

47:55

in the book, and it's

47:57

the paneity,

48:01

which is a very powerful

48:03

love spell that

48:06

you used your dirty

48:08

panties or you're used

48:10

underwear, and you'll make a tea

48:13

out of it. Okay,

48:17

in South America and

48:20

also in southern North

48:23

America, it's a very

48:25

popular thing within even

48:27

like Caribbean people. They know this. So

48:29

you make the panty tea. You're

48:32

supposed to wear the panties. You

48:34

can't wear black underwear. When you do this, FYI,

48:37

no black panties. They need to be pink or

48:39

red, which correspond to like

48:41

love, lust, beauty,

48:44

all those things. So you're gonna take those panties.

48:46

You're gonna wear them for three to seven

48:49

days. I know everyone's be like, oh my

48:51

god, this is disgusting.

48:52

That the same for three to seven

48:54

days.

48:55

Yes, but but you're gonna do it after you

48:57

take a bath. Because these are your magic

48:59

You're little magical panties. These are

49:01

your seduction panties. So you don't wear

49:03

them every day. I mean, you

49:05

can't make them funky now, like you can keep

49:08

it funky if you want to wear it. You

49:11

want little tints, little twang to it,

49:14

you can't wear them. Okay, it's

49:16

your magic. You can do what you want. You want

49:18

the pheromones you want, the you

49:20

want, the juices you want, you

49:25

want that. I'm telling you, Okay, it's

49:27

gonna get a little nasty. So if you are

49:30

cringing, I'm sorry to

49:32

tell you. Magic is not all roast

49:34

quarts and crystals

49:37

and all no witch brough

49:39

hadia and witchcraft is about

49:42

blood, sex and magic. So you're gonna

49:44

get the real from me. You know, witchcraft

49:46

is not going to always be pretty. It's

49:48

not gonna be clean and sanitized

49:51

for you. It's not you know, that's just

49:53

not it. So you wear the panties, You

49:56

take some boiling water, you pour

49:58

them over the panties, you soak

50:00

them for a while because you want

50:03

to get all the juices

50:05

into the tea. And

50:07

then some people

50:10

they would feed it, they would use that water.

50:12

They would put it into like a jar like you can put

50:14

in like a mason jar. And

50:16

you use that water and you're cooking, you

50:19

make coffee, you can make tea with

50:21

it, soups, and

50:25

it is potent and it's very powerful.

50:28

So my grandfather, he's

50:30

from Arkansas, and he's

50:33

he knew what's up, you know, he knew what was

50:35

up. And so my grandfather always had

50:37

a joke and he used to call me a pinky. So

50:39

he'd say, pinky, I don't accept

50:41

black coffee from single ladies. So

50:44

what he met by that in Hudu

50:47

and also in other magical

50:50

folk traditions in the South, in

50:53

Texas, Louisiana, the

50:55

Carolina is all of these things. Everyone

50:57

who does root working or conjure world

51:00

or magical work knows

51:02

that you don't accept black coffee

51:05

or spaghetti from

51:07

women that you don't.

51:09

Know why spaghetti

51:11

the.

51:12

Blood and you're putting your period blood

51:14

in the spaghetti.

51:17

Really? Oh yeah,

51:19

see, I don't know about this kind of stuff.

51:22

I'm happy you're here.

51:23

This is very, very controversial

51:26

again because people feel some

51:28

people don't like the idea

51:31

of you using love magic

51:33

or sex magic to

51:35

take away somebody's free will.

51:38

So you do have practitioners who

51:40

said, you know, don't take

51:43

away someone's free will and a love

51:45

spell or domination spell.

51:47

But then you have other practitioners who

51:50

grow up and have traditions where it's like

51:52

it doesn't matter.

51:54

Do you believe that? Is

51:57

it a wicking belief that it

52:00

like it comes back threefold or

52:02

something?

52:02

I don't believe in the law

52:04

of three.

52:05

To me is that it is almost

52:07

like karma type thing.

52:09

Yeah, but karma is a whole other thing

52:11

too, So it's like, but this law of three,

52:14

I mean, it's just it's still man made.

52:16

But whatever, I'm gonna all say it as this,

52:19

I am not here to be the

52:21

police or the authority over anyone

52:24

else's spiritual practice or their

52:26

life or their magic. But

52:28

do not put down other people

52:31

who don't believe like you and who don't

52:33

have traditions like you, because something

52:36

my grandmother used to tell me is that if

52:38

you can't protect yourself from a

52:40

hex, you cannot heal anybody.

52:43

So if you don't know how to use defensive magic

52:46

to hex somebody to curse them,

52:48

then what type of healing are you doing?

52:50

So you need to have some form of grounding.

52:54

And I think that it's even funnier

52:56

because I grew up with one of

52:58

my mom's friends. She's like a Russian immigrant,

53:01

and she always used to tell me that, like,

53:03

too much light can make you go

53:06

blind. Too much laughing isn't

53:08

good for your soul. So anything that's

53:10

like too much light is

53:12

blinding. And I really fucking hate people who

53:15

are just like, oh, I'm only good

53:17

vibes, I only love and

53:19

light. It's like that toxic positivity.

53:21

So I'm like, if you don't know how to protect or

53:23

defend yourself, and don't call yourself.

53:25

A witch, Okay,

53:28

I'm learning so much today. I'm so

53:30

happy you're here. I love them

53:32

here. We have to wrap it up,

53:35

but can you tell people where to

53:37

find you? And all the stuff that you do.

53:39

Yeah, So you can find me on

53:42

social media as the

53:44

hood Witch, and most

53:46

of my pages are verified,

53:50

so I have a lot of

53:52

impersonators and like phonies

53:54

and like sure, fake bitch

53:56

is trying to be me. So it is the

53:59

hood Witch, the official

54:02

at the Hoodwitch. My website is

54:04

Thehoodwitch dot com, Instagram

54:07

is the Hoodwitch Twitter.

54:10

Well, I don't even know if anyone uses that name more Twitter,

54:12

the Hoodwitch, blue Sky, the hood Witch,

54:15

Facebook at the Hoodwitch. Nothing

54:17

else is just the Hoodwitch.

54:19

Yeah. That's something that maybe listeners

54:22

of this show don't know is that a lot of magical

54:25

practitioners, psychics, tarot

54:27

readers have a lot of

54:30

impostors, tons

54:32

of them, and people that are praying on

54:35

their followers and trying to get money.

54:37

So if you're getting if you're getting a DM

54:40

that looks like it's from some you

54:44

know, spiritual practitioner

54:46

or psychic or whoever that you're following,

54:48

and they're like, hey, I can give you a reading

54:50

if you give me money. I don't

54:53

do it. I've also had people do it of

54:55

me and I don't even do readings,

54:58

and people have like you know,

55:00

reached out to my followers

55:02

and been like, hey, I'm doing readings,

55:05

now you want to give them a fifty bucks And

55:07

then they do thinking then I'm

55:09

going to give them a tart reading and then they're mad at real

55:12

me because I did that. I'm like,

55:14

that's not me. I had nothing to do with

55:16

that person.

55:17

Yeah, I have like some scammers. I have

55:19

like a lady on Facebook who's like

55:22

trying like scamming people, and she's

55:24

like, looks nothing like me. It's

55:27

crazy like she and she has like a like

55:30

lots of followers too. So guys,

55:32

I don't use Facebook. I

55:34

only use Instagram and Twitter

55:36

and Blue Sky and I have a

55:38

substack. But everything that you see

55:41

is going to be at the hoodwitch,

55:43

So you just have to make sure that you're

55:46

not getting scammed. And look

55:48

on Raz's page and see

55:50

that like all of my links will be there.

55:53

Love it. Well, thanks so much for doing

55:56

this.

55:56

Thank you so much for having me. I'm so happy

55:59

that I could tell my ghost stories. I

56:01

could talk with you forever.

56:03

Hell yeah,

56:06

thank you so much. To breathe.

56:09

I am just over here getting

56:11

my panties ready for

56:14

some tea that I will be

56:17

serving on my tour.

56:20

Actually no, that's not true. I'm

56:23

not gonna make you fall in love with me that

56:26

way, but I might with my

56:28

jokes, So I

56:30

hope to see you in person. I'd love to

56:32

meet you anyway.

56:35

That was that. That was fun.

56:38

I love you all, both living and dead.

56:40

But if I didn't ask you to haunt me, don't

56:43

haunt me gay on. This

56:52

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56:55

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56:57

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56:59

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57:01

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57:25

Jiha Lee. Associate producer

57:28

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57:30

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57:32

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57:36

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57:38

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57:41

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57:43

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57:46

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57:49

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57:51

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57:55

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57:57

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57:59

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58:02

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58:04

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58:07

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58:10

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