0:07

What's that at the bed

0:10

spooky? Hey Judy, I'm really sure

0:12

it's dead. It's coming this way.

0:15

Wait a minute, I said,

0:21

nandaz plase,

0:26

Hey boo, it's

0:28

me Roz and welcome

0:31

to Ghosted by Roz

0:33

Hernandez, the podcast

0:36

where I talk to people that I

0:38

like about the paranormal.

0:41

Oh my god,

0:43

George's back. Georgia

0:46

Hartstark, who, of course

0:49

you all know as one of the hosts

0:51

of My favorite Murder,

0:55

the podcast that

0:58

is so legendary, so

1:01

truly iconic, it

1:04

even launched an amazing

1:07

podcast network exactly

1:09

right Media. She's my boss.

1:12

She and Karen, they're my bosses, and

1:15

just so good at podcasting, I

1:18

mean, so easy to talk to, so

1:21

fun, so funny. And we're

1:23

gonna talk a lot today about psychics, so

1:26

that will be coming at you shortly.

1:29

But before we get to that, let

1:32

me read you a ghost story.

1:35

This one's from a listener named Nicole

1:38

with a New York City story.

1:41

Nicole writes, I tried getting an EVP

1:44

and ended up hearing my own voice

1:46

in real life. So

1:48

this isn't a ghost story, per

1:51

say, but a weird

1:54

can't explain it story from

1:56

when I lived in Upper Manhattan

2:00

inwood to be exact, in

2:02

a pre war building.

2:06

So I am used to a lot of noise,

2:08

voices, music, both

2:10

outside the apartment and in the

2:13

building. Of the non spooky

2:15

persuasion. My husband

2:17

had an old book called Speaking

2:20

to the Dead, a sort of manual

2:23

to try and catch EVPs.

2:26

He hadn't actually read it, but

2:28

thought it looked interesting. One

2:31

late afternoon, I was home

2:34

by myself, and I gave it a look.

2:37

Since I didn't have a tape recorder, I

2:40

used a phone recorder. I kept

2:42

myself open to the possibility of

2:44

the paranormal. I

2:46

asked a few open ended

2:48

questions. I waited politely

2:51

for answers, and then listened

2:53

to the recording. Just many

2:55

minutes of dead air, nothing

3:00

the experiment again and again heard nothing.

3:03

Disappointed in my nothing

3:05

but white noise. Catch

3:08

I lay down in our bedroom,

3:11

and within seconds I heard

3:13

a voice right in my ear

3:15

say hello, But

3:19

not just any voice, it was my

3:21

voice. I jumped right

3:24

up, had a mini panic attack, and

3:26

left the apartment. It

3:28

was a clear as day, not ghostly

3:31

at all sound. Ten

3:33

years later, I still can recall

3:36

myself asking hello

3:39

in a way like I was answering

3:41

a phone call and concerned

3:44

about who was on the other line. What

3:46

does that mean? Is that dead

3:49

me from the future trying to contact

3:52

old me? A ghost

3:54

mimicking my voice?

3:56

My current theory is

3:59

my mind was playing tricks on me. After

4:01

listening to ten minutes of white noise.

4:04

However, I was freaked out enough to

4:06

never try to get an EVP ever again.

4:08

And I had no other spooky incidents in that

4:10

apartment. I have not heard voices

4:13

either before or since then, a

4:16

weird one off experience. That's

4:20

freaky. The thought of

4:23

ghost you from the future being like,

4:25

did you ring? Were you trying

4:27

to call me? I'm so sorry I was not near

4:30

the phone, but now I am or

4:32

something. I don't know what, but

4:35

very scary and annoying that it

4:37

happened when you weren't recording. God

4:40

these ghosts. Oh

4:42

and before we get to Georgia Hartstark, I

4:45

just wanted to tell you once again that I am rapidly

4:48

releasing tour dates of

4:50

me doing stand up comedy. So

4:53

find those dates on

4:55

my Instagram in my

4:57

link tree. You'll find it. Just go to

5:00

Instagram, uh and type

5:02

in at Raz Hernandez

5:04

and somewhere somehow on there you'll

5:07

find you'll find some places.

5:09

And if you're like, okay, I'm not seeing

5:11

a place that's within like an hour drive

5:13

of me, comment it

5:16

very nicely, you know, don't go hey,

5:18

I'll come here. Do and just be like, hey, babe,

5:21

I love you and I'd love to

5:23

see you by any chance? Are

5:26

you considering coming to this

5:28

place? Just do one of those and

5:31

maybe I will. Okay,

5:33

let's talk to Georgia Hardstark

5:37

on with the show.

5:47

Georgia by

5:50

Georgia. Hi, Ros, you're

5:53

back. I'm back. Thank you so much.

5:55

Thank you for having me. I was like so excited

5:58

to be invited back.

5:59

Are you kidding me? Georgia, not

6:02

get off.

6:02

I tried really hard to get haunted by a ghost.

6:05

I was open to it this whole time.

6:07

Oh, you don't got nothing.

6:08

They're not interested in me.

6:10

I'm a boring subject, I think because I'm

6:12

like, let's do this, and they're like, why would we bother?

6:15

I don't feel that way.

6:16

You don't think so.

6:17

I think that ghost probably would

6:19

love you. You just I

6:21

don't know. Maybe you're just not going to places

6:23

that have ghosts.

6:25

I know, Adam, I don't

6:27

know, like my house should be haunted. If

6:29

it's gonna be if anything's gonna be haunted, my house

6:31

should be haunted. But yeah it's

6:34

not, which is good. I like love my house for.

6:36

That, But I think, see

6:39

what you want to live in a house that's

6:41

haunted, not actively yet,

6:43

but to know.

6:44

Like there's a spirit on the other side who's

6:47

like living their own life while

6:49

I live mine and once in a while our wires

6:51

get pleasantly crossed.

6:54

Yeah, I don't.

6:56

You can't. You can't think you can't.

6:57

But that's the thing you can't control. When when is that gonna

7:00

eat? Are we going to be cross of wires when

7:02

I'm taking a shower? Right, because

7:04

I don't want I don't want that.

7:06

Right. It already happened.

7:08

And I think I told about this on the last time I was

7:10

here, about how they just started blasting

7:12

Elton John one night.

7:13

I do remember that, and that was unpleasant. So

7:16

maybe they were like, she doesn't know what she wants.

7:18

And that was in the place you're currently in, right,

7:20

and so that was it.

7:22

Yeah, But I mean, yeah.

7:24

Looking back, how do you feel about that? As

7:26

more time has passed, do you are you still

7:28

convinced it was a ghost?

7:29

No?

7:30

And I can like. That's

7:32

the problem. I think that's why they are not interested in me. Is

7:34

I can explain anything away very logically,

7:37

am I will?

7:38

So they're like, you're no fun.

7:39

I'm not like my young sense

7:41

of awe and curiosity is fucking

7:44

dead.

7:45

So no Georgia.

7:48

Yeah, I know. To

7:51

me, it's like it's

7:53

the same way I feel about like Aliens where I

7:55

go. I already know what

7:57

this, what's going on here? Yeah,

8:00

when I think about, oh, there could be another

8:02

place, I'm like such a fairy tale,

8:04

like I'm so aerial and the little mermaids,

8:08

like, there's this other place. Take

8:10

me there, and I love last Yeah,

8:13

the other side where

8:15

they have what you McCall it's the

8:17

polter gay.

8:18

You're like, that's an openness

8:21

to it that they love good.

8:23

I would assume.

8:24

I don't know. They seem to love it every

8:26

time I don't have cameras rolling

8:29

right.

8:31

Of course, like they're shy,

8:33

camera shy.

8:34

Yeah, it's real frustrating about

8:37

me. So no ghost

8:39

stories, sense, no psychic stories.

8:42

No, like no,

8:46

it's so it's so bland. It's okay,

8:48

Bland.

8:49

It's okay because here's the good news. Yeah,

8:52

you know, I consider myself sort of a

8:56

reporter of sorts,

8:58

only with the most important news.

9:00

Yeah.

9:01

These are the news stories that

9:03

I that they come across my

9:06

desk, and I would like to

9:08

elevate them with my platform

9:11

because they are pertinent

9:13

to our topic of this

9:15

podcast. Paranormals

9:18

type stuff.

9:19

I love it.

9:21

We don't get them enough.

9:22

Yeah.

9:23

Every once in a while one sneaks in, and

9:26

it's usually a pretty

9:28

trashy news source.

9:31

That's why I'm like wondering.

9:32

I'm wondering if like, by the end of this, I'll be like

9:34

I believe now.

9:35

This is it.

9:37

Have you been to a psychic ever?

9:40

No, I've done Tarot. I've been to Tarot

9:42

reader. You know.

9:44

One guy stopped me in a parking lot once and

9:47

told me that I was going to be This is like twenty

9:50

years ago. Stopped me in a parking lot

9:53

and was like, can I read your palm

9:55

or something. I'm like sure because I was in my twenties

9:57

and like hopeful. And he said

9:59

that I was going to be in

10:02

the forefront of the men's

10:06

makeup industry.

10:08

What.

10:08

Yeah, it was so specific,

10:10

and I think I had been I had just dropped

10:13

out of beauty school. And I had been trying

10:15

to get into a makeup school and

10:17

he fucking just told me that randomly.

10:20

So was that Did you take it

10:22

to heart where you're like, oh that that means something?

10:24

Yeah, I definitely, I mean it didn't happen, but

10:26

like maybe maybe that was.

10:29

I don't think you're destined for one thing, so

10:31

maybe in a different some different choices,

10:33

or if I had more money or whatever, it was

10:36

like I would have gone.

10:37

Into that, into men's makeup.

10:39

Sure, I mean, well maybe maybe

10:42

that's what you need to do. That's my Yeah,

10:45

that's a new venture

10:47

you could get into, is my liner makeup?

10:50

Yeah, guyliner needs like something

10:52

new.

10:53

There needs to be Guy lipliner. Yes,

10:56

and that has not been seen

10:58

yet. So maybe psychic was

11:00

right. He just didn't tell you when.

11:02

Right.

11:05

Well, I got a news story about a psychic.

11:08

I actually have two news stories about

11:10

a psychic. But well, let's just

11:12

look at one and we'll see how we feel. Okay,

11:15

So this first one, now it

11:17

was I believe it was posted by

11:20

multiple sources. But here's one

11:22

from the stupid New

11:24

York Post. Okay, it

11:26

says a psychic medium drew

11:29

my soulmate. Then I

11:31

met an exact match. Okay,

11:35

So a woman says she met her

11:37

fiance after she paid

11:39

a psychic medium on Etsy Wo

11:42

to draw her soulmate. The

11:44

woman named Nicole. She's thirty

11:47

one. She realized she had been settling

11:49

for the wrong men. After spending her twenties

11:51

single or in toxic relationships.

11:55

She went to therapy and started manifesting

11:57

her husband the practice of thinking,

12:00

yeah, we know what manifesting is.

12:04

They're like people that read this right,

12:06

not no, right. They think that that's like

12:08

two woke for them to.

12:09

Yeah, exactly. So she paid

12:11

this woman to do what she calls a soulmate

12:14

drawing, which

12:16

is a portrait she uses her

12:18

intuition to create that

12:22

depicted this woman's future

12:24

husband.

12:25

Which is great.

12:26

I love that on Etsy of all places too,

12:28

Like feels so like pure

12:30

because it's Etsy.

12:31

It's not like OnlyFans that she

12:33

got her from.

12:36

Yeah.

12:37

I know, not that anything wrong with that, but like

12:39

it just feels like a little like crafty.

12:41

Yeah, well edsy feels a little

12:43

bit more mom and pop yeah shop kind.

12:45

Of feel I love that. And

12:48

she met the dude that looks

12:50

like.

12:50

Well, let's see her, it says she

12:53

predicted that Nicole

12:56

would meet this man between nine

12:59

and thirteen months from

13:01

the time that she got the reading or

13:04

the drawing, and that it would

13:06

be a man that was Mediterranean.

13:10

Nine months later, she

13:12

met a Portuguese native

13:15

named Vitor on

13:18

TikTok, and the pair

13:20

saw each other in person a month and a half

13:22

later and hit it off. She knew

13:25

she'd met her husband straight away,

13:27

and the pair have now celebrated two years

13:30

together and they got engaged in May

13:32

of twenty twenty four.

13:33

Oh my god, this makes

13:35

me believe in love.

13:37

I know not, but I don't. I'm really

13:39

mad that they don't have this lady's at sea

13:42

totally or whoever? Actually, I don't know if it

13:44

was a lady whoever.

13:45

Gets a link like, let's get some links in

13:47

here.

13:48

I know it talks a

13:50

whole lot about Nicole. She's a social

13:52

media strategist. Was

13:54

this part of her strategy to get her

13:57

social media going?

13:58

Good question?

13:59

She's originally from Long Island. She

14:02

said, he's very kind,

14:04

he has strong features. It

14:07

says it was ninety percent accurate

14:10

the drawing. Wow.

14:11

See, I believe this because

14:13

it made her more open to something

14:16

that maybe she wouldn't have

14:18

been, you know, like it made her look and

14:20

try in a way that maybe she

14:23

wouldn't have been if she had just

14:25

no idea, No, no one told her like parameters.

14:28

You know what I mean.

14:29

Yeah, it's like, I don't know the psychic thing. It's

14:31

just like a tool that I think is awesome.

14:34

But I love that she is.

14:35

That well, it's like manifesting is like kind

14:37

of like hope. Yeah,

14:40

so okay, let

14:43

me make sure it has never mentioned

14:45

who this psychic is, because I'm not even

14:47

kidding you about how much you cost.

14:49

I'm about to hop on my Etsy

14:52

page right now.

14:52

I wonder if that's like a thing that we just didn't

14:55

know about.

14:56

It's a great deal. I mean, this is a great

14:59

what do you call it? Review? Or yeah,

15:02

something for this lady's business.

15:04

It's only they'd put a link.

15:05

Yeah, I'm not seeing the link enough, it

15:08

says. In November twenty twenty one, Nicole saw

15:10

a TikTok video of a psychic medium

15:12

offering soulmate drawings.

15:15

So that's where she got it. So it was TikTok

15:17

to Etsy. Nicole

15:20

then got a DM from Vitor,

15:22

who was launching a coffee card

15:25

business card. What is

15:27

no, that's what it says, coffee card death.

15:30

I can't even imagine what that would be cart.

15:33

Maybe they I'm gonna go with cart

15:35

and it was a misspelling or.

15:36

Type get it together, New York Post,

15:39

can we please? She

15:41

was living in Portugal at the time. She

15:44

told him I had a three weeks sol

15:47

low trip coming up to Greece, so

15:49

I might come back with a Greek boyfriend. Or that's

15:51

what she told the psychic. Anyway

15:54

she met him that happened. Is

15:57

it paranormal? I don't know.

15:59

Do you think that it meant like it changed something

16:01

in her brain that made her more

16:03

open or susceptible to like something.

16:07

I can see that.

16:08

I can absolutely see that being

16:10

a thing. I mean, it's kind of like like when

16:12

you said the word tool. It made me think

16:14

of like crystals for example. Yeah,

16:17

which I'm always like, they don't work, they're

16:19

just pretty. But I do believe,

16:22

like, Okay, I might, I might

16:25

talk a lot of shit like that, but if

16:27

I'm going to a place where they're like people

16:29

say, there's demons crawling around

16:31

this abandoned building, you better

16:34

believe I'm grabbing my tourmaline. Sure,

16:37

yeah, I'm grabbing all of

16:39

them.

16:39

It's the same thing of like, I don't know if

16:41

I believe in ghosts, but I'm not bringing that

16:43

doll that you say is haunted home with me, you

16:45

know what I mean. Like, I've one hundred percent don't believe

16:48

that, but don't I'm not touching it either.

16:50

Right, I don't want to find out the hard way. But so

16:53

I think that there

16:55

is there is something

16:57

to kind of planting

17:00

a seed in your mind

17:02

that, oh, I'm going to meet this man

17:04

because this woman said so, Now, maybe

17:07

that did that make her, I

17:09

don't know, take offers more

17:11

seriously from men because she's like, it's

17:13

going to I don't know.

17:14

Or like also she was saying it's not going to happen

17:16

for at least nine months, and it's like she kind

17:19

of gave this person a window

17:21

of nine months to stop fucking worrying about it

17:23

and to focus on herself. Yeah, you

17:25

know, and so maybe by the time she met

17:27

this guy, who hope is great for her, she

17:30

was like ready and open for an actually

17:32

healthy relation.

17:33

That's a good way to, yeah, to go about

17:35

this. She said, I actually

17:37

only saw the drawing around five

17:39

to six months later. We had

17:41

spoken about it prior, but I never

17:43

saw it until then. But

17:47

to say the drawing looked uncanny,

17:50

well, I think my first

17:52

words were, damn, that does

17:55

look like me. Oh sorry, that's what he said.

17:57

This is he

17:59

didn't see Okay, and he laughed,

18:03

he says, But I think it just reinforced

18:06

Nicole that I was her soulmate and

18:08

she was mine. Oh

18:13

I hate them because

18:15

there's no link to this lady at Etsy.

18:18

It's it's problematic.

18:19

Yeah, I don't. I don't appreciate that at all.

18:21

Maybe like she went to the site to like

18:23

thank her, and that site never existed.

18:26

The ets systor never exists over there.

18:27

I'm really going to Etsy right now when I'm typing in

18:30

soul Mate drawing.

18:34

What is all this shit?

18:35

Is it a lot?

18:36

Oh my god? Like all these people

18:39

are offering.

18:39

Holy shit, it's a whole industry.

18:42

I have no clue soul

18:44

May drawing, soul May drawing, okay,

18:48

but which one was the lady?

18:50

Okay? Because I need these

18:53

are cheap too, These are like, oh

18:55

my god, some of them are two dollars, six

18:58

dollars, fourteen dollars value

19:00

your art. I don't want a two dollars. Husband,

19:04

I want to invest.

19:05

I want to feel Yeah.

19:07

I want to feel good about it. Okay, wait, I

19:09

want this lady she's got

19:11

black lipstick on.

19:12

What is she? Right? Let's hear her description of

19:14

herself or her story? Okay?

19:17

Or is she Ai? Is this a real person?

19:20

Look? Probably Ai? It's a cool goth

19:22

looking which I like. Actually,

19:24

she kind of looks like you if

19:27

you were super goth.

19:29

That's why I like. I wonder if you know

19:31

what, there's probably people making Aai

19:34

soul may Ai drawing.

19:36

I bet it's even more accurate that way.

19:38

Greetings, I am I a

19:41

y Ai. This

19:44

person's name is I a skilled tarot

19:46

reader with a deep connection to the energies

19:48

of love and destiny. Using

19:51

my intuitive abilities, I provide

19:53

detailed insights into your

19:56

romantic future, including the

19:58

first letters of your soulmates name

20:00

and surname, their career,

20:02

where they live, and how and

20:05

where you will meet. Okay, at

20:07

the very least, I want to know, do it

20:09

because you know, here's the thing. If you tell

20:12

me that my husband is going to

20:14

be I don't know what's a job,

20:16

like an engineer. He's going to

20:18

be an engineer? Well, then I can start

20:21

posting on my social media who's an engineer?

20:23

Right?

20:24

Because just so you know, you're supposed to fall in love

20:26

with me.

20:26

Okay, I'm gonna here's what's going to happen. I'm going to give

20:28

you are you single?

20:30

Right now? Because I don't want to be like stepping on anyone's.

20:32

No no, no one's toast.

20:33

I'm going to go I'm going to do initials,

20:37

job and

20:39

what else ever else, and you're going to

20:41

do this for you and then next year and

20:43

if that happens, then I'm going

20:45

to come back here and feel like I'm fucking psychic.

20:48

Yeah, and you better charge more than two dollars.

20:50

I would, And I

20:52

think you should also do this on exactly. Wright

20:54

Stein Is get the sketch. We'll

20:56

see who's more correct.

20:58

How about that I should get like fifteen of

21:00

these because they're all like two dollars.

21:02

If they're all the same, that.

21:03

Would be good. Okay, Okay, who are you

21:05

thinking really, channel now? Don't

21:08

just pull it out?

21:09

Okay, Okay, job.

21:11

I wanted to say engineer, but it's

21:14

too boring for you, like you need someone

21:17

necessarily. But there's a lot of different kinds

21:19

of engineers. And they're very smart, very

21:22

smart.

21:23

I keep feeling like I want to be with a creative.

21:25

Yeah that's right, but sometimes it's like the

21:28

creative needs this,

21:30

the like not boring

21:33

but like straight laced person.

21:34

No I know, well I am a

21:36

miss piggy seeking a Kermit.

21:38

Yeah, oh my god, not

21:41

exactly. Yes, all

21:43

right, so what about a restaurant

21:45

tour?

21:46

Oh? You know, because

21:49

miss Smith.

21:49

Because Kermit worked at uh

21:52

the sig Na Nainen at the restaurant.

21:54

Oh so let's do a restaurant tour.

21:56

So that's fun, right, And you've got to

21:59

take you out all beautiful

22:01

clubs and restaurants in all these places.

22:03

And you can always give me free food.

22:05

Free food leftover, or a

22:07

chef. What do you think of chef? I wouldn't want day a

22:09

chef. The hours are fucking.

22:11

Care I never have, okay,

22:13

but I love the idea.

22:14

Okay, So restaurants

22:17

initials are see.

22:22

L, see L

22:25

okay. You know it's so crazy.

22:28

I look down and it's you

22:30

got a tax stress career.

22:32

Life, see L. I'm

22:34

channeling something not the.

22:36

Right thing career life,

22:38

which is this

22:40

This psychic can tell your psychics. Career

22:42

life is what your partners, are

22:45

your your soulmates, career lives.

22:47

Let's just do it. Let's just do in the restaurant industry.

22:50

And restaurant industry. See

22:52

l and this

22:54

person can tell me where

22:57

and how we're going to meet.

22:59

I think that's bullshit. That's

23:02

one step beyond for me. Like somehow that

23:04

that's too much.

23:05

I don't know that's too much.

23:07

Well, do not want to meet some of the restaurant industry. I'm

23:09

probably wrong, you know that.

23:10

No, I'm very open.

23:13

I'm who the

23:15

fuck.

23:15

Knows well either one if either

23:17

of those is true. Yeah, me

23:20

and my brand new husband are

23:22

going to get officiate. Get

23:24

you a nice gift, thank you for

23:27

our wedding. Okay, now

23:29

here's another story. So

23:31

in Romania a

23:34

couple of years ago, the witches

23:37

started getting text for

23:39

the first time and they got mad

23:42

about that. And

23:44

you don't want to make witches mad.

23:46

Especially in Romania. That seems like hardcore

23:49

witches.

23:50

Yes, well, people take

23:52

that stuff pretty seriously

23:54

there. So they

23:58

put a hex on

24:00

on some politicians.

24:02

They did they think's going to happen.

24:04

I will say, though, like my immediate thought is

24:06

like that is showing respect for

24:08

their livelihood. To be like,

24:10

we take this serious enough and we think this

24:12

is so legitimate.

24:13

Yes, And that was some of the controversy because

24:16

some of the witches were like, they

24:18

felt that way. Oh, we finally made

24:21

it. You know, we're viewed as like a real job.

24:23

But a lot of them did

24:26

not feel that way. That's fair, and they

24:30

it says this is from CBS

24:33

News.

24:33

This was back.

24:35

Oh it was a long time, twenty eleven.

24:37

Okay, I wonder, yeah, but

24:39

see if all they're all dead, all the people

24:41

who got curses on them.

24:42

I know. I tried looking up a follow up on

24:45

this. But the angry witches

24:47

they dumped poison poisonous

24:51

man Drake into

24:53

the Danube River, okay, which

24:56

was their way of putting some kind of hecks.

24:59

All right. At least it was a and their coffee.

25:01

Yes, right, They weren't forcing them to drink

25:03

it.

25:04

That would be murder held poisoning.

25:06

That's called murder. So this one

25:09

witch that they talked to said, I

25:11

will fight into my last breath for

25:13

this bill to not be passed. Why

25:16

this is so interesting is because they

25:19

were starting to say, you're gonna get

25:21

fined if you give

25:24

someone a bad reading.

25:25

Oh, well, how do they what's a

25:27

bad reading means.

25:28

Well, and so this one witch that they interviewed, she

25:30

says, people don't always provide

25:33

their real identities, their

25:35

birth dates, their any of their

25:37

personal details. Sometimes they're

25:40

lying. So she's like, what am I supposed

25:42

to do?

25:42

Yeah?

25:43

And like who's who deems it bad? Is

25:45

it? Like? After a year? Like

25:48

nothing happened that you said was gonna happen?

25:50

I think pretty much now. Listen, the

25:52

government was just trying. They were

25:55

they had some bills to pay, so they

25:57

were they decided to go

26:00

to the witches it's and hoping that maybe

26:02

they'll because it's.

26:03

A big industry death and taxes and curses

26:06

those are.

26:07

It's a very big industry there.

26:09

So when I was little, my mom went to a psychic and

26:11

came home and was like, this was amazing.

26:14

She knew everything, She knew this and that she gave

26:16

me this reading and she told me what was going to happen. She

26:18

was so amazed by it that she told all her

26:20

friends to go, and one of her friends went and

26:23

the psychic told her literally the exact

26:25

same thing, and my mom was so upset.

26:27

She was crying. Oh they you

26:29

know she had the psychic had taped. But what if

26:31

they had like the same.

26:34

I mean they're both like, yeah, middle aged ladies

26:36

from Irvine. Like maybe that's

26:38

the thing.

26:39

So just like a little blurb to

26:42

sum up what happened here. This is from a website

26:45

taxfitness dot com. In

26:47

twenty eleven, Romania started

26:50

taxing witches, astrologers, and fortune

26:52

tellers. So the whole party,

26:55

everybody, everybody's paying their

26:57

taxes. Now, these

26:59

pre obviously obscure professions

27:01

were not listed in the Romanian labor

27:04

code, so people working these jobs

27:07

paid zero tax. This

27:09

was known as the witch's tax.

27:12

Under the new law, these three professionals

27:15

now had to pay sixteen percent

27:18

income tax, oh and

27:22

make contributions to health and pension

27:24

programs.

27:25

I can see being pissed off about that.

27:26

Like other self employed people.

27:29

Honestly, I know, listen and

27:32

I don't want to make any witches mad, but

27:34

never as somebody that wears

27:37

razzle, dazzle and ex silly for a living.

27:40

I have to pay tax.

27:41

You have to pay taxes coming

27:43

up on stage and to ten. So

27:47

I mean I do think I know what you mean. It

27:49

sounds a little medieval almost, but

27:51

it's like, it doesn't sound like a

27:53

current day problem because you think it would just be like, yeah,

27:56

fucking everyone gets taxed.

27:57

Yeah, well up until twenty eleven.

28:00

Crazy time twenty eleven.

28:02

Take me back, though, say,

28:07

let's bump the kasha and let's party.

28:10

It was so cute.

28:11

It says, it wasn't a significant

28:15

revenue raiser for the Romanian

28:17

government. Witches, astrologers, and

28:19

fortune tellers typically only

28:21

received seven to ten dollars per

28:24

consultation.

28:25

Sixteen percent of that. That's a

28:27

lot.

28:28

Yeah, that is pretty high. Sucks man.

28:31

Well, it says the introduction at the witch's

28:33

tax divided the witch's community

28:35

because some of them sawid as positive, some

28:38

of it not so much. And

28:41

the angry, which I

28:43

just love the thought of, Like the angry witches.

28:46

But if you are a witch, don't be angry at me, please.

28:49

Other witches are angry about the charges

28:51

and the government red tape.

28:55

I read some other one that was like talking about

28:57

some like dog poop spell. These

29:00

these ladies or whoever got

29:03

crazy with it. Now it doesn't seem like it

29:05

worked, but you

29:08

know what they are now legit

29:11

respectfully.

29:12

Yeah, we're on board with that, all

29:14

right.

29:15

I got one more for you. These

29:17

are all psychic things, Okay. Today's

29:19

theme is definitely psychics if you haven't

29:21

been able.

29:21

To figure that out.

29:24

This one is from

29:26

a Canadian news source. It's from CTV

29:29

News's c A Sure,

29:32

and it says Whitby woman

29:35

wants refund after

29:37

giving Psychic over fifty thousand

29:40

dollars to help her fall

29:42

in love.

29:43

No, see, this is why you have to post

29:45

that Etsy lady. Two bucks.

29:47

That's all it fucking takes.

29:48

If they would have told this woman that, do you know how much

29:50

money she would have saved?

29:52

Like?

29:53

At what point was she like, okay,

29:56

like this is enough, or was she just like I'm

29:58

already in for twenty kept going?

30:00

She kept going.

30:01

She says Psychic

30:03

promised her that she could

30:06

help her start a romantic relationship

30:08

with a man from her gym.

30:11

I mean a therapist would cost way less

30:13

than that ANAGIN membership.

30:15

Loves two things, that's all you really need.

30:17

Joanne Wallin. She

30:20

tells c TV News to Ronto

30:22

that she began visiting the Psychic in the fall of

30:24

twenty thirteen after separating

30:27

from her husband. She says

30:29

that she made a habit of

30:31

visiting psychics over the years,

30:34

and she found it to be fun and entertaining.

30:37

This time, she said that she told the

30:39

psychic she was interested in starting a new

30:41

romance with a man she had

30:43

noticed at her fitness club. She

30:46

said, Oh, that fellow

30:48

over there doing

30:50

the zoomba, he looks

30:54

exactly like my type. Yeah,

30:56

so she says, yes,

30:58

there is a man, I like it my gym

31:00

when the psychic aster if

31:02

there is anyone, and she said,

31:05

I can bring this man closer to you

31:07

for five hundred and fifty

31:10

dollars. No, even that is

31:12

way too much.

31:13

Absolutely, like light a candle

31:15

for fifty bucks and move on. You

31:17

know what I mean exactly which

31:20

I have done. I'm saying it's totally

31:22

fine. What's the most you think you

31:24

should spend for like that kind

31:26

of thing.

31:27

Now here's the thing I will say about this. I

31:30

believe, as a single person

31:32

that if you really do want to be dating

31:35

and looking for people, you should

31:37

invest like you shouldn't be You shouldn't

31:39

feel like a loser to invest by

31:42

like paying for premium apps.

31:44

Oh like dating apps?

31:45

Yeah, I agree, I think like absolutely

31:48

because you'll waste so much time and

31:52

it shows you more options depending on what the

31:54

rhythms.

31:54

All fucking weird, right, and it offers you like.

31:57

Well, see, I pay for I've

31:59

paid for all of the apps smart now

32:02

have I found me one to know? But that

32:04

just might be my personality. But

32:07

I am able to with

32:09

the premium apps set my

32:12

matches to other

32:14

countries now in case

32:16

I might want an exit strategy.

32:20

You want a long distance relationship though, absolutely

32:23

you're into that.

32:24

Oh my god, yeah, yeah, okay.

32:26

I'm so needy and so like codependent

32:29

that I need someone within poking

32:32

distance at all times.

32:33

And I'm a phone caller, so I'm like, I'm

32:36

completely fine with if we can talk.

32:39

I mean, I currently have one

32:41

gentleman that I've been speaking to for a while

32:44

out who lives in another country.

32:46

Oh and we speak on

32:50

like an app on the phone version

32:52

of it.

32:53

I must be so nice to like have that to look forward to

32:55

at the end of the day, like it is.

32:57

He doesn't seem to like it very much.

32:59

But move here or

33:02

you move there?

33:03

Well, I literally told

33:05

him last night, can you please just ask

33:08

me to marry?

33:09

Yeah, get that green card.

33:12

I'm staying here and I'm fighting

33:14

anyway. So first

33:17

it started with the five hundred and fifty dollars. Okay,

33:20

So then she paid the money. But

33:23

then after over, you

33:25

know, the next few months, the psychic

33:27

wanted more. She's like, okay,

33:30

okay, the five hundred and fifty listen. It

33:32

brought him closer to you. I promised you. He

33:35

wants a

33:38

certain point. You have to take responsibility for

33:40

this. But anyway, so

33:43

she transferred twelve thousand to

33:45

fifteen thousand dollars to this

33:47

woman. But the woman said, the psychic

33:49

said, no, I.

33:50

Want cash, What the fuck?

33:52

So she started dropping off loads and loads

33:55

of cash at this woman's house. She

33:57

said that she also was asked to buy

34:00

old bars at Costco.

34:02

When does it end.

34:03

I didn't know they sold gold bars at Costco

34:06

which were to be used in the

34:09

in ceremonies with candles

34:12

that they were ceremonies by the way, shopping

34:14

ceremonies. This isn't like a psychic,

34:17

like this is a wit yeah, which I would

34:19

say witchcraft for sure.

34:22

So yeah.

34:22

She ended up giving her fifty thousand,

34:24

two hundred and thirty two dollars over

34:27

the course of about a year, and the

34:29

romance never happened. She

34:32

says, I said to her, if everything

34:34

is going so great. Why isn't

34:37

anything happening. I'm paying you thousands

34:39

and thousands of dollars and I'm getting nothing.

34:43

And she says she now believes

34:46

she was misled, you think,

34:48

and she wants her money back.

34:50

I think she should have it back.

34:51

This happened in twenty thirteen, though, She

34:55

says, I was so trapped in it mentally

34:57

because I was so scared. And

35:00

that's the thing. It's like, so praying off

35:02

of Yeah, you know a lot of

35:04

times this kind of thing happens with people

35:06

that like lost a loved

35:08

one and they give all this money to a psychic

35:10

to connect the two totally.

35:12

So it's like, you're not thinking with your rational

35:15

brain and you're thinking with your emotions.

35:17

And are you kidding me? The amount of money I'm throwing

35:19

at all these different apps, I

35:22

ain't being rational. So

35:25

CTV showed up at the psychics.

35:27

Did they put a link on her to her?

35:28

Etsyvace says the

35:31

door was locked, but the psychic, who identified

35:33

herself as Julia, answered

35:35

the phone. Says, we told her,

35:38

the psychic that this woman

35:40

felt misled into paying fifty

35:42

thousand dollars and she watched the money back. Julia

35:44

told CTV News that she had provided

35:47

the woman with services

35:49

that she was willing to pay for, and the

35:52

romance didn't happen because she

35:54

didn't follow her instructions.

35:56

Right, That is so gas

35:58

lady. I know, but I could see.

36:00

I see arguments on both sides.

36:02

She's like, she didn't complete the work,

36:04

right, that's the problem.

36:06

What have worked?

36:07

Everything she wanted? I gave her. She

36:09

wanted different services, and that's

36:11

what I gave her.

36:12

Oh my god, I mean,

36:15

oh my god. That's sad.

36:17

Though, well maybe now this will make the guy notice

36:19

her says.

36:21

However, when contacted by CTV News,

36:23

Julia said she was willing to give

36:26

the woman her money back. Oh

36:28

that's nice, she said. She is not happy,

36:30

she is not satisfied, so I'm giving her money

36:33

back. The

36:35

woman said she met with the psychic and a

36:37

payment plan was arranged, but so

36:39

far she's only received two

36:41

thousand back and she's very

36:43

concerned about getting the rest.

36:45

Shit might a candle.

36:49

That's sad, but

36:51

it's just very interesting that this is coming

36:53

out now and

36:56

this story happened in twenty thirteen. But yeah,

36:58

yeah, now all right, that's

37:01

sad. So there's a story and

37:04

now here's something that is a great investment

37:07

in your money.

37:08

A psychic doll.

37:10

Psychic doll, well,

37:13

a haunted doll.

37:14

Okay, maybe it's psych it's yeah,

37:16

if you can only talk, it's

37:19

time for the.

37:20

Dolls are living.

37:24

Okay, So we've got a haunted

37:27

eBay doll here. This one

37:30

I don't believe has a name,

37:32

but it's you know, it's a demon. It's

37:37

going for thirty dollars currently, jeeha.

37:40

Can you please show us the haunted doll?

37:42

You got it?

37:43

Ros, here's the thirty dollars

37:45

demon doll bargain

37:48

price.

37:49

Luscio's beautiful hair.

37:50

She's got incredible hair

37:53

curls. Can we see full body

37:56

the second picture? She

37:58

definitely has like a big iron

38:00

drag queen wig with bangs,

38:04

which I.

38:05

It's a Miss piggywig if we could go back.

38:08

Is Miss Piggy pretty lure? Like

38:10

I totally sell my soul for that hair. Yeah,

38:13

I'd be possessed by a demon for that hair.

38:15

Oh, for sure, she's

38:18

got she went real heavy on the blush.

38:21

She's missing a shoe, totally

38:23

missing a shoe, but that

38:26

just shows that she does stuff.

38:27

She moves around nice eyebrowns,

38:29

she has a couple of little flowers in her hair.

38:31

What is going on?

38:33

God?

38:33

She has so her forehead is cracked

38:35

and there's dried.

38:37

Glue all over it. Not

38:41

glamorous, but that is part of this bio.

38:43

What do you think of the orange lipstick? Are you like

38:45

bright orange lipstick? Never a

38:48

big fan of bright orange lipstick to

38:51

me? That ends up looking like,

38:53

Oh, I got some cheesy puffs that

38:56

I couldn't stop snack.

38:57

And I licked my fingers. Yeah,

39:00

h look at me now.

39:02

So for thirty dollars, it says this doll

39:04

once belonged to my friend who

39:06

was a beginner's spellcaster and

39:09

accidentally summoned a demon stearing

39:12

one of his rituals. He cut his hand

39:14

and a few drops of blood spilled on

39:16

the floor. The doll was nearby

39:19

on the shelf, and at that moment

39:22

she suddenly fell and cracked

39:24

her porcelain head. He

39:26

tried to fix her with eposy glue,

39:29

but the cracks remain.

39:32

From that day, strange things

39:34

began to happen. My friend

39:36

said he felt like something was attacking

39:38

him. He was constantly terrified, had terrifying

39:41

nightmares, and found deep scratches on

39:43

his body. He was seeing shadows

39:46

moving around his home and feeling

39:48

a heavy energy in the air.

39:51

The doll didn't just

39:53

sit still. It moved on its

39:56

own now oft in changing

39:58

positions or hearing in

40:00

different places.

40:02

Oh my god.

40:02

The more frightened he became, the

40:05

more active the dolls seemed to

40:07

get.

40:08

Now.

40:08

When I got the doll, I investigated

40:10

it using a ghost box. The

40:14

spirit inside is a very aggressive

40:17

During sessions, I heard guttural sounds

40:20

and the word damned spoken

40:23

clearly. If the spirit

40:25

feels threatened, the doll

40:27

gives off a strong chemical

40:30

like smell, similar to blach,

40:32

similar to epoxy glue.

40:37

Well, yeah,

40:39

this doll is not just haunted.

40:42

Why would anyone ross?

40:44

Why would anyone buy this? Why would anyone

40:46

think that someone would want to buy people buy this?

40:49

Well, it says this doll is not just

40:52

haunted, it's a

40:54

vessel or something demonic.

40:58

Selling it at a low price is due

41:00

to the crack and the forehead.

41:02

That's nice of them, but that's part of the lore. Up

41:05

charge for a fucking I self made

41:07

crack in the forehead. Come on, I

41:09

mean, it does look terrible.

41:11

But yeah, so that's

41:13

a demon doll. Why would somebody want this? People

41:17

like loneliness, you know, I

41:19

don't know.

41:20

You think with all the vintage stuff I buy and antiqun

41:24

a demon somewhere have it?

41:25

Like crystal dishes do

41:28

they have demons? And then I have a lot of like why not

41:30

little like you know, trashy crystal

41:33

dishes?

41:33

Do those get haunted?

41:35

I have seen everything

41:37

on eBay haunted. I've

41:40

seen multiple different food sources,

41:43

Like I've seen like a kN

41:46

of root beer that's haunted.

41:48

Oh my god, yeah, it's an up

41:50

charge.

41:51

It would be kind of cool to have like a shelf of like

41:54

all your haunted things that you collected

41:56

that, like someone else said, was haunted. I

41:58

walked into someone's house and they had that, I'd

42:00

be like, that's pretty fucking cool.

42:02

It's cool.

42:02

Yeah, it's maybe cool at someone else.

42:06

If I'm just visiting, I might be into

42:08

that.

42:08

Yeah I'm not doing that.

42:10

Yeah, And then my cat would knock them all off

42:12

the fucking shelf and I'd be like.

42:14

Yeah, no, and then you're screwed, and you've

42:16

got to get out the epopsy and

42:18

don't you dare bleed because

42:21

it'll Because that's what

42:23

happened with this one.

42:24

It like fell threw itself from the shelf

42:26

and like wiggled over. Can

42:31

I play some ghost of voices? Oh yeah,

42:33

I love this.

42:34

It's time for EVP

42:38

or ev plicse.

42:42

Okay, Georgia, you've done this

42:45

before. So I go to YouTube. I

42:47

find electronic voice phenomenal.

42:49

Okay, aka when

42:52

a ghost to speaking captured on

42:54

a recording?

42:55

Okay, got two of them for you.

42:58

Play it for you, give you an ABC option,

43:01

and I want to know what you think the ghosts decay?

43:03

Okay, Oh my god, I love this so much. All right.

43:06

This one was posted by

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doctor Carol Polio.

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A doctor, a real doc, doctor

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Polio.

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Doctor Carol Polio.

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I had an allergy doctor named doctor it

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Chiese. That's that

43:24

is that true?

43:25

It was it cheese, but it was itchies

43:28

I swear to God he's itches

43:35

better.

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Okay, let me hear for this doctor Carol

43:39

Polio. Okay, she's

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a doctor's doctor that also

43:45

spends her time capturing ghosts speaking

43:47

and posting them on YouTube.

43:48

It makes me think she's legit. She has the doctor

43:51

and from her name, but.

43:52

She has a lot of these online. Some

43:54

of them are pretty good. Okay, not go live this

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is that a place called the Burton Ingram

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House, which is in Delaware.

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What's this ghost saying? Georgia hard start?

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Okay,

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okay, when we're time, Okay,

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so what are the options?

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Because I have no fucking clue. Oh

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oh, I know what it is. What I

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don't want to say it? Say it? It might be right?

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Kill her?

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They want to kill doctor Polio.

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Does that sound? Is that right? Kill her?

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That is not what they thought?

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Okay, what she doctor

44:35

Polio thought? Ok what do they think she think?

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Did she think it was a Kevin

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Hart

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B it'll hurt C

44:48

get her?

44:49

Yeah, I think get her?

44:51

Or or d

44:53

you little flirt play order?

44:58

I'm gonna I don't kill her? Do

45:01

you hear that?

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I kind of do hear it. But doctor

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Carol Polio believes it was B it'll

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hurt Yeah, I can now let me know

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that. Here we go, Yeah,

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yeah, yeah, I also hear Kevin Hart

45:16

or whatever. Okay,

45:19

here's one more.

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I see Kevin Hart people.

45:23

This one was posted by

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the Paranormal Investigation

45:28

Society of Tennessee.

45:30

I've got Tennessee's so fucking hanted, I'm

45:32

sure.

45:32

But they're also known as

45:35

pissed ghost p I s

45:37

T. Paranormal Investigation

45:40

Society of Tennessee.

45:41

That's fun.

45:44

The channels seriously,

45:47

And this is at a place called Mount

45:50

Olivet Cemetery

45:52

in Nashville.

45:53

Yea haunted.

45:54

What's this one saying? Yeah,

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child whisper. I'm

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sorry, but a child whispering.

46:10

Is so scary and unacceptable.

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No, but even a living child

46:15

whispering, like beak up.

46:17

If I was taking a nap and my friend's

46:19

child was like, wake.

46:21

Up that child.

46:23

I hate to say I might hit the child

46:26

by accident. No, it's such a reflat.

46:28

Yeah, you're not responsible for what

46:30

happens when a child whispers.

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A you

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go something. I mean, honestly,

46:40

I want to say macaroni, but that's not right.

46:43

I'm children love macaroni conrone.

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Okay, what are the options?

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Is it a call

46:53

reddit?

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Got it?

46:55

Call Reddit?

46:56

Call Reddit?

46:56

We got some juicy Oh she's from the past

46:58

when you couldn't go online back.

47:02

In those days? Was it b

47:05

call Wendy, Call

47:08

Wendy, see come

47:10

right in? Or

47:13

d kombucha?

47:16

Okay, here we go.

47:18

Come yeah,

47:21

come something something in is

47:25

come right in. That's exactly what

47:27

they thought. See come right in, Come

47:30

right I

47:32

don't think that's right, but I can't figure out

47:35

what it is expecting, like come ready,

47:37

yeah, ready, come and get it.

47:39

If you're gonna come here, you better.

47:41

Come ready, come on,

47:43

like I was told to show up here, come

47:45

video camera ready.

47:47

Listen. You showed up here at

47:50

your studio and you

47:53

did everything that

47:56

has earned you the title of a

47:59

legend, very icon of the

48:02

podcasting genre.

48:03

Oh my god, thank you. Same to you,

48:05

Razer Nanda. I'm aspiring, but

48:08

you're the no, You're the real deal.

48:10

You and thank you. I'm sorry, thank you,

48:12

I got us go well. Thank you so much

48:15

for being a guest.

48:15

Thanks for having me again.

48:17

Always you want to tell the people.

48:19

I will try to meet a ghost, and

48:22

when I do, I'll call you and I'll

48:24

be right here and I'll tell you all about

48:26

it. Yay, thank you,

48:31

come right.

48:34

Thank you so much to

48:37

Georgia Heart's Dark And

48:39

that was the Ghosted

48:42

News Desk. I

48:45

love you all, both living and dead.

48:47

But if I didn't ask you to haunt me, don't

48:50

haunt me, gay back. This

48:59

has been an exactly right production.

49:02

Want to share your paranormal experience

49:04

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49:06

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49:08

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49:13

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49:29

My senior producer is the Startling

49:32

Jiha Lee. Associate producer

49:35

is the alarming Christina

49:37

Chamberlain. This episode

49:39

was mixed and sound designed by the Eerie

49:42

Edson Choi. My guest booker

49:45

is the petrifying Patrick Kuttner.

49:48

Additional production support from the hair

49:50

Raising Hannah Kyle Crichton.

49:53

My theme music is by the spine

49:55

Chilling Brendan Lynch Salomon.

49:58

Artwork by the s Booky Vanessa

50:02

Lilac. Photography by

50:04

the Terrifying Elizabeth

50:06

Karen. Executive produced

50:08

by the Chilling Karen Kilgareth

50:11

the Spookky Georgia

50:14

Hard Start, and the Frightening

50:16

Danielle Kramer.