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Unfortunately, we had some technical challenges and that one's going to be just a bit late, but we didn't want to miss out on the holiday by not putting out a Halloween theme show.

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So we're flashing back to 2018 and one of our favorite episodes with Metallica guitarist and lifelong monster kid, and this man is truly dedicated Kirk habit.

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This is probably the only interview with Kirk to date and which Metallica and his music was barely mentioned.

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I think we brought it up once, but he didn't seem to mind since we were talking about his favorite topic in the world, which is universal monsters.

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And if you Google Kirk, Hamot the Kirk Hammett collection, you can see examples of some of his very impressive collection of memorabilia.

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He's got mass and costumes actually worn by Bayla and Boris, including Baylor's white zombie outfit, which I've talked about also props you've even, he's got some original basil Go-Go's paintings.

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He published a book of these, a book of photos of the collection called it's alive, which is well-worth finding the man is truly obsessed.

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Like, like we are so happy Halloween to our fellow freaks do keep an eye out for the 2021 Halloween show, which should be up shortly and until then enjoy our classic 2018 interview with rock and roll hall of Famer and monster kid deluxe.

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this is Gilbert Godfrey niches, Gilbert Godfrey to amazing colossal podcast.

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I'm here with my cohost Frank Santo Padre, where once again, we're coating at nutmeg with our engineer Frankfurter Rosa.

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Our guest this week is to musicians.

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So writer 2009 nine in dumped into the rock and roll hall of fame and a lead guitarist of one of the most popular and influential bands in rock.

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Each story, my towelette car he's old.

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So cold rider of several of the band signature hits, including pay-to-play master of puppets and enter Sandman.

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And he's been named one of rolling stones, 100 greatest rock the Taurus, the volt time.

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As a boy, he developed a keen interest in art and science fiction movies, including the original Frankenstein, which led to a lifelong quest to acquire artifacts and memorabilia, celebrating the movies he loved in 2000 in 2012 art cover book too much are rubbish.

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This features more than 300 images of the vast collection of our movie memorabilia.

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He's a mashed over the course of three decades, including toys, masks, models, artwork, even our original costumes worn by Bayla, Lugosi and Boris Karloff and his terrific follow-up VOCA, July featured Dustin's of aura and Saifai movie posters from his personal collection, including rare posters from Frankenstein.

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No Edna mummy, please.

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Welcome to the show. One of the most accomplished musicians of darling rock era of Bella munch, your kid, and most importantly, our man who shares our love of the black cat Kurt Amad Audi,

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Eric welcomes out, wow, that's quite an intro Gilbert, a you kind of making me blush there for a second.

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The lengthy intros would become part of the show.

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Kirk. Yeah, they, they double as an obituary.

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Well, that's great. Now I kind of get, get, I got an example of how it might end up See,

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here's something I have a hard time putting together.

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Cause I remember people telling me you should get Kirk Hammett on this show.

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Lots of people from Metallica.

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And I said, ah, from Metallica, Y and I thought, and they said, he's the biggest old Munster movie free.

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There is his collection is insane.

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And, and so how, you know, the world of hard grok and nerdy guys.

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Yeah. Buying gay, he, ah, Hey, you know, he straddles both of those worlds.

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It's weird because in Yurok worlds, you get laid.

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And I know thinking to that and, you know, getting one of the electrodes that Glen strange Well

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Glenn strains turns women on.

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Yeah. You know, I started getting into the horror thing from a very, very young age.

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I mean, I felt the, the draw, the attraction when I was five years old and that it was when I had seen my very first horror movie, which is day of the Triffids and in it never, never waned from that moment on from seeing that movie, that movie to right this second, it's never waned.

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I I've always been attracted to this, this, this genre because it just feels so fun.

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So great and so comfortable and so relatable.

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And you know, this is my very first love.

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The horror genre and music came a lot later.

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So to tell you the truth, I, you know, this, this is, this is, this was my world that I lived in as a child.

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It was just complete world that I created for myself.

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W reading all these, all these comic books, reading all the monster magazines, seeing the movies, you know, watching the, the Saturday night, oh, horror shows that are on TV, Where

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you recruit your features guy to Kirk, Bob

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Wilkins Was here, Wilkins right there.

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Local horror hosts. Yep.

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San Francisco On

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the east side, we had Jack Zack early.

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It was accurate. Yeah, absolutely. And we lost them recently.

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Yeah. In fact, Zachary pretty much had the best description for the type of music I play.

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And he called that plugged in music that plugged in To this day, that, that description it's just close to my heart.

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Cause it's, you know, it's very accurate.

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Right. I remember I grew up reading, famous monsters, a film aligned.

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Yes. And I had two things that I bought from the magazine one, the Frankenstein poster.

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Is that the poster that you still have?

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Yeah. The house. Yeah. He's got it in the living room and in the magazine, they make it like that.

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They're sending Frankenstein to your home and then you go, it's a poster by H it's in a frame in the living room.

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Now I kept it for years.

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The other thing I have also a complete rip off was Herman, the Asiatic insect.

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Now they, in the picture, you see a little kid open a box and an enormous Munster with fangs and laws and tentacles leap out and people are screaming at terrorists.

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So I sent away for that.

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And it's a little tiny box about an inch long with a tiny stick in it, like got like an ice cream steak that has some fuzzy glued on it and a rubber band for antennas.

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And, and that terminal a, the Asiatic is that ring a bell.

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Absolutely. Absolutely. I remember seeing the ad in, in captain company and yeah, that ad, it was like you were sending away for like a, some genie in a bottle, but it was, you know, horrible Herman in a box.

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And I remember years later finally seeing one of those things and opening it up and thinking, oh my God, horrible Herman you're so not horrible.

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Did you do the sea monkey thing too? Yeah.

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I had numerous see monkey adventures, you know, died on the, you know, yeah.

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You're supposed to let them grow, you know, from like Monday to Friday, but by Wednesday, mine would all be floating at the top of the water.

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I don't know what w w what wrong, And

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they didn't have grounds or robes or any And,

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and, and faces. I was expecting these things, you know, to be swimming around with like totally human features and whatnot, you know, and being able to like, look at me and interact.

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Yeah. I remember seeing an ad and, and it wasn't in famous monsters, but it was in some other magazine.

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It said 12 foot tall monster from space 25 cents.

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And I thought, wow, this is too good to be true.

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And so I sent my 25 cents in, I remember like three months later, this package came and it was a tube.

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And I was like, what is this?

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And I remember opening it up and thinking, oh, stir, I didn't know.

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I didn't order a poster and then unrolling it.

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And it's the picture of the 12 foot space monster.

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And they never told you that it was, oh, you know, a poster.

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I thought it was some like three dimensional sort of figure.

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But you know, when you're seven and a half years old, of course old, you know, you're expecting the world 45

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cents. Isn't bad for a poster though. Yeah.

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One thing we've discussed on this show, but I don't think could be discussed enough.

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They would advertise you could buy monkeys.

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Oh yeah. We talked about that with Joe Dante. Yes.

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And a totally crooked operation.

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And when you got the package, I heard the monkeys, there was no laws on the books maybe, but the monkeys would be sent to these kids who were the, and the monkey would either be dying or dead when it got to the kid's house.

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Wow. So they, they actually did send a real, That's

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what we, here, we here, we had the director, Joe Dante here, and he disputed it, but I've

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seen ads for horrible.

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Wow. Yeah. I remember looking at a lot of that captain company stuff and think, wow, all this stuff is really cool, but, you know, I grew up a poor kid.

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So, you know, I would always stare at the Dom post magazines.

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Right. You know? Oh, yeah. Masks, I mean, Dumbos masks and think, wow, these are the greatest masks in the world, but how am I going to afford $32 and 99 cents you, how, when it was a real struggle for me to just like, come up with 50 cents to buy famous monsters, you know, every month or so, Didn't

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your parents give you money for milk and lunch and you would, you would blow it on, on at the comic book shop and on famous monsters and monster times and all that stuff.

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I would abstain from eating lunch.

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That's how that's how dedicated. Wow.

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Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, I grew up with a steady diet of famous monsters and creepy magazine Erie magazine Sure.

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And creepy all that stuff. And then later, later on heavy metal magazine And

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I heard with the Munster masks in the back of the magazine, they would actually apply makeup to the masks to make them look better.

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Yeah. You know, I always kind of suspected that there were too good looking to be true.

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And, you know, I w if you see the mass nowadays, you know, the one, the actual ones, you know, th th I could see how, how they would have like, augmented the, the mass themselves.

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But one thing that they did do that, that none of the kids ever even knew about is when they wore the mask in the pictures, they put blackout around their eyes.

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And so, you know, when a kid would get these, these masks and put them on without the blackout, you know, you would, it was so obvious that there are, you know, wearing a mask.

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Cause you could see the flash around the eyes coming through.

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And it wasn't quite the same effect as it was when you're looking at, at the picture in the magazine, You

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are now you call yourself an outcast kid, Kirk, that you related to the monsters you felt, and Gilbert has, you've mentioned this on previous shows that you felt sympathy, oh, the monsters.

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And it was an emotion that you developed early by watching monster movies.

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It was always like, well, Frankenstein's the most obvious he's a, he's a little kid he's, he doesn't know about the world.

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And he just wants to be loved and have friends, the Wolf man's like adolescence where your whole body is changing and you're growing hair.

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And you're, you're sounding different than you don't know why this has happened.

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As a theory, he spent years developing work And

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Ben Dracula is what every guy wants to be.

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Yeah. He's a cool guy.

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Yeah. You know, I think he hit it on the spot on all of those, you know, I always liked the mummy too, because you know, the mumble, let me struggle with trying to communicate.

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And he always was so slow and numbering and, you know, it's amazing that he actually caught anyone because he moves so slowly we've talked about.

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But when you don't, you didn't have a stage of life for the mummy.

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I guess it was old age. The mummy would be the Arthritic.

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I just, I find it interesting that you guys both had that, that moment, that turning point moment where you felt such sympathy and compassion for the monster, you were, what, Kirk five, when you watch Frankenstein five or six years, Six

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years old with your dad. And, you know, there was something that I could relate to just right off the bat.

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You know, this guy who just won, wants to be loved and he wants to understand, you know, why he's there.

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And he, he, you know, he's looking for the right father figure, but he keeps on getting rejected, you know, from, from the father figure, you know, humanity as a whole, and, you know, in a micro sort of way, I kind of maybe felt that at six years as a six year old, but I definitely felt that later on growing up, you know, I felt socially kind of like awkward, you know, and being a shy kid, you know, I just, it was just, oh, it was just easy for me to, to, to relate to these characters because there were, there were just, there were stumbling through life with all, all these obstacles in front of them.

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And that's how my own life felt.

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You relate to that kill Being an introverted.

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Oh, absolutely.

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Absolutely. Yeah.

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You'll always how you identify with the monster in those movies.

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And I, the earliest Munster movie I remember seeing is the indestructible man with Robert Shane, who was the inspector on Superman, Joe Flynn for McHale's Navy and Mac show Walter.

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And, and, and I, and I didn't realize at the time that Chaney Jr was like scary for the wrong reasons.

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At that point, it was just life.

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He's the world's biggest lunch or any junior fan Kirk.

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I have a lot, a lot of respect for Lauren Cheney.

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You knew too, but you know, he eventually did become that character in mice and men, you know?

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Oh Yeah, yeah. He's quite good at that.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy.

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But yeah, I, I, I particularly like, like to launch Annie junior and the Wolf band for me.

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I mean, that's just like, it's classic performance and I really like him as count Alec hard to, yeah, it's great.

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Great. I love that movie so much.

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I have a son and my wife wanted to give him a middle name with an a in it, from one of her relatives.

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And I was pressuring her to name him value card.

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I love that she didn't go along with it, but I would have loved to have had a son count value card.

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I would have loved that too. You got, you got max into horror movies pretty early.

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Yes. Yes. He, I mean, when he was really little, I would say, okay, who played Frankenstein, NIGO, Boris Karloff.

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And then the Wolf van Lon, Chaney, Jr.

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And then, and Bayla, He

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made him, she made sure he said Bayla, right?

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You have two sons, Kirk, how old are your sons?

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Nine, nine and 11.

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And they're constantly asking me when they can watch certain horror movies.

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And, you know, I'm like thinking, well, how old was I when I watched this kind of movie?

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And I always think way too early. And so, you know, I, I, you know, they asked me when can I see how ways your dad and I'm thinking, Hm, hell raiser kids nine years old.

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No. If they need to be seeing a movie about sex, sexual satanic demons from hell, maybe a little young up 14, maybe.

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And they're like, how about 12?

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Watch them, let the watch, let them watch the universal classics Though.

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Oh yeah. They, they they've seen Dracula Frankenstein, bride of Frankenstein, but their favorite.

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And I'm not surprised as Abbott and Costello meet Frank it's.

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There you go. I so much, We've

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spoken a million times about that on the show.

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That's a great movie. Oh, I love it.

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Glenn strange. Yeah. And you know, I really liked Bela Lugosi his performance in that movie as well.

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I mean, he, you can tell that he was so happy to be back playing count Dracula that, you know, every time he's on screen, he just like, he's just like soaks it for so much, you know, atmosphere and vibe, at least that's what I think.

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Oh, go ahead. Yeah. And you know, like you said, Glen strange, he made such a great monster.

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I mean the, his facial structure just really just added so much to it.

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Every nook and cranny in his face just really augmented the character a lot.

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And the funny thing to me is like, you know, they weren't using Lugosi back around that time.

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And regular horror film was at 46.

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Yeah. 46, 47. Yeah.

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And they Use Carradine who was terrific.

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He's a great actor, but boy, when you see Lugosi in Abbott and Costello meet Frankenstein, you go, this is what was missing from the other movies.

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Absolutely. I agree. You know, you know, John Carradine I think is a, a great, amazing actor, but I don't know why that decision was made and you know, they should, they should.

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The thing about Bela Lugosi is that he, he was just so, so much himself, every time he walked out on screen here, you were just like, there he is, he's on screen.

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And he just dominated the whole room, you know?

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And I think that, that, that, that kind of like held him back in the end, you know, especially with the Dracula role.

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But I agree, you know, he should have been in all those movies.

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How's the Dracula house of Frankenstein.

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He is, what's missing. He is, what's missing from them for sure.

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Speaking of Abbott and Costello meet Frankenstein, tell Gilbert, and it's in the book, it's in too much horror business.

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What you have, you have the masks that button, but in lieu war.

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Yeah. You know, the scene where they're about to go to a, a Halloween costume ball.

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Sure. Yeah. And they, they put on two masks or papier-mache masks.

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One of them is of a werewolf.

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Another, another is of like, you know, some like ghoulish kind of like vampire looking character.

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Those are found about five or 10 years ago.

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And I saw him in an auction and, oh my God, I couldn't believe that those things were still around and imagine managed to acquire them.

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And so those made it into the book.

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And also, yeah, th the Wolf man had that in the book is also from Abbott and Costello meet Frankenstein.

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And it took a long time to verify that.

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But, you know, once we were able to like authenticate it, that it was indeed from that movie, I was very, very happy because you know, to have one prop from any of those universal movies is incredible to have two is like, you know, great to have actually three pieces.

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You know, I am in heaven And

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they're great, great things to own reading.

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I read an interview with you and collectors weekly, and this is interesting Kirk.

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And they said, well, you said one of the ways that you acquire this stuff was to get in touch with people who worked on those universal films, but are these, are these airs?

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I mean, these people aren't alive. How do you, how do you go dig them up?

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Stuff like that? Well,

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some of them were, were errors. You know, some of them were, were relatives of the people who actually worked on this stuff and had this stuff.

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A lot of it, a lot of it, I got F pre-internet, which is just like a lot of networking, you know, a lot of in investigating a lot of grilling people.

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And I remember another moment where my son made me really proud when he was like two or something.

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He was sitting in a coffee shop with my wife, and he was staring at some guy sitting by himself in the corner.

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And he, he leans into my wife and he goes, mommy, that man looks like the lunch Chaney Jr.

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And I said, that's my, I don't need DNA testing.

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Perfect. I love That.

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And now I had almost a full collection, Frank and I would talk about the, the, The

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Aurora Munster model.

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Yeah. And I wanted to ask you too with that was that the first thing was that the first item as a, as a kid that you decided to start collecting was that the gateway drug, so to speak, It

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was the beginning.

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And you know, that it all started from me walking into the kitchen.

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And there was my brother and my cousin and their, their painting.

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They had bought up the Frankenstein model and they're painting it and they're painting it all wrong.

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I said to them, what are you doing?

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Frankenstein? Isn't purple and orange and yellow and green.

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And, you know, I, for years and years and years, I, I, I couldn't understand what that was all about until I just realized that, you know, they're on acid when they're a painting.

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This is like, this is like 1968 or 1969.

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But when I saw the model, I was like, wow, they're doing a horrible job.

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And I ran, you know, ran to my mom and like, got some, some, you know, what was it like, what were they like a dollar 25 or something like that?

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Yeah, no, I borrowed the money from my mom, went to the store, picked up a Royal Frankenstein model and built it.

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And that was the beginning of the end, really?

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And I bought that, that, that particular model and every one of those models, at least six or seven times as a child, because I was constantly building them, painting them and either blowing them up with firecrackers, setting them on fire or just doing something just absolutely destructive.

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I was. And, you know, you know, I would just, it was just what I did with my that's.

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Why. Yeah. That's why I, I don't have anything left for my child.

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Good thing. You've got the scratch to Replace them. Yeah, exactly.

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So aside from their famous Wolf man Frankenstein or Lowe's, ah, I remember my mother, she went to the store and she bought me, they had two together and I guess it was cheaper.

35:46

They were like attached together.

35:49

And one of them was the witch that was just yeah.

35:55

And, and bride of Frankenstein.

35:59

Yep. Yeah. That bride of Frankenstein model was outrageously cool.

36:04

Because the best thing for me about that Brian Frankenstein model was there is a tray on the table with the human heart in it.

36:14

Yes. She's on the slab. Right, right, right, right.

36:18

And how cool there was that other whoa, there was forgotten parishioner, right.

36:26

That was just, yeah. Yeah.

36:27

And, and then there was the other one, the whatever they called it, it was a box with different things to, I have whatever the word is.

36:41

When you add to something, they would have like little model rats or skull accessories, accessories, and you Could

36:51

be the customizing kit.

36:54

Yes. And you could paint them up and put them on your models that were already there.

37:02

Yeah. And you ha you had the glow and the, you had the glow in the dark ones.

37:05

Kirk, what do they call those? The light, the frightening lightening.

37:08

Yeah. They're there, they first came out as the fright, the lightning edition.

37:14

And then they they're just after that, they were just straight on, you know, Aurora glow in the dark models.

37:20

And I love those too, because, because you know, for me it opened up a whole new, new, a way of destroying them, which was So

37:33

Phil, you didn't blow yours up. You, you would sit there and get the glue and assemble and then, and then painstakingly paint them.

37:45

I would, yeah. I would glue them, paint them.

37:47

I'm impressed. I even would like put paint, paint in the eyes.

37:52

I would get like a pin and I put a little paint on it.

37:59

Yeah. And those things were so popular.

38:01

I guess what, 61 62, that, that I hope this is true.

38:04

That they were manufacturing them 24 hours a day to keep up with demand.

38:09

I would, I wouldn't be surprised.

38:11

I mean, they had an amazing run there around for like a good what, 12, 15 years or something.

38:17

And without very much, you know, alteration to the, from, from the original design.

38:24

And so I would say, you know, they, they're pretty successful and they're still pretty popular to this day.

38:32

And then I, I heard that someone bought the molds of the Aurora models and tried to put it out themselves with the idiotic ad campaign rated X for excitement.

38:49

Wow. I only remember that. So Parents

38:51

were going, I can't give my kid a porn, you know, they would see And

38:56

heard sales. I had the king Kong.

38:58

Oh, I did too. You had to paint the little Fe Ray was in his hand and I had them, I had the mummy, they weren't glow in the dark at first.

39:06

Right. That wasn't, that was, that was a future additions later, Later.

39:10

Yeah. God, what a wonderful time.

39:13

I always hated though, like in the model they told you to paint Frankenstein green and when they make them look green and posters, because I think it's, the makeup was green, but that was so would look gray on screen.

39:30

Exactly. Look Sure.

39:33

There is a whole, whole, whole, a whole debate on that.

39:37

You know, Frankenstein be green, should Frankenstein be ghostly pales, should Frankenstein be bluish, you know, reddish there's everyone has their preference.

39:47

You know, personally, I can understand why people would want their Frankenstein to be green because that's just kind of like the, the, the popular sort of a way to present him.

39:59

But, you know, I think it's more effective if he has more of a paleish kind of ghostly paleish greenish bluish kind of pallor rather than straight green.

40:12

Yeah. I am. Well, it's always interesting when the Munsters went from black and white to color to see what color they were going to be, that Herman was that sort of sickly green.

40:21

Yeah. Not gray. Yeah.

40:24

I got to ask you about some of the other toys.

40:26

Cause Gilbert, before you came on with a skillet and I were talking about like the, the wiggle lake bobble heads, and we were looking at the pictures in the book and I mean, it's so much fun and this is your first book, too much hard business.

40:37

But to go through those pictures, it's not only just fun to see the stuff, but it, it, it brings back memories that I haven't had or things I haven't thought about in 30 years.

40:47

And Gilbert and I were looking at the page where you have all the w w the Wolf man stuff arranged together.

40:51

And he's remembering stuff he had.

40:55

And, oh, I, I have a, a signed postcard of the Wolf, man.

41:01

It where it says Lon Chaney on it.

41:05

Because in famous monsters, they once said, you know, Janie, Junior's not feeling well, here's an Adger ice.

41:14

And I sent him a get well card and got back a, a, you know, a little postcard of the Wolf man with his signature on it.

41:26

That's the most amazing thing.

41:28

Wow. He actually replied back.

41:31

Why is it a Stamp?

41:33

Cool. Was it his actual signature? No,

41:35

it was an actual signature. Very

41:37

cool. Wow. And you know, I'd like to see that sometime.

41:40

Oh, Any time We'll,

41:44

we'll make that happen. If you're going to be in New York, anytime soon, we'll make that happen.

41:48

And I have a friend Sooner or later, I

41:51

have a friend who, when he was a kid, he met Boris Karloff and he asked him for an autograph and Carlos said he would send them one.

42:02

And then Carlos died.

42:05

And the day after he died, the autograph showed up at the kids' house, which is the ideal way to get a Boris Karloff.

42:18

Yeah. Wow. That's an amazing story.

42:21

Wow. That's crazy. I, I know this guy who, who grew up in, in Beverly Hills and, and his, his, his father was a famous entertainer.

42:31

And he was telling me for his 12th, your birthday, he, his parents got him early from school and, and, and said to him, happy birthday, your presence is in the kitchen.

42:49

And he walked into the kitchen and they're sitting at the table was Boris Karloff.

42:54

Wow. He was a big monster fan.

42:57

And so he just went, he just lost his mind.

43:01

That is great. Wow. That is great.

43:03

You, you, you've gotten to know Sarah A.

43:06

Little bit. We had Sarah on the show and I know she's in, she's in, she's worked with you when your festival.

43:12

Yeah. Sarah, she's such a lovely, lovely, lovely.

43:15

They, we love her and she's so sweet and just so nice to be with.

43:20

And, and the great thing is that she's, she's very patient.

43:23

When you ask her a million questions about her father, like open and willing.

43:29

And I love that about her. She

43:32

is. I love when she, we had her on the show and I love that she described Halloween and Christmas as her dad's busy season because of the Grinch.

43:39

I just want to say too, before we move on from this and that, that book, and we'll plug it again at the end, Kirk and our fans, you know, the people that listen to the show are obsessed about the same stuff.

43:49

We're obsessed. Well,

43:51

we had on, cause I was demanding to have her on the show.

43:56

Oh, he'll love this Janet and Gallo.

43:59

Oh, wow. Oh

44:01

yeah. She knows who she is. Wow.

44:06

That's fantastic.

44:09

I found her a little Girl.

44:11

You know, I, I'm going to have to like find that episode.

44:14

Yeah. The little girl from ghost of Frank And

44:17

touch, she's quite chatty. We had, we had Ron Chaney here.

44:21

We had lunch. Annie's grandson on Cheney.

44:24

Jr's grandson. And we had a, we had Vincent Price's daughter, Victoria And

44:28

Bayla June. And we had Baylor Jr.

44:30

Who obviously also know, wow.

44:32

Tell Gilbert and this, before we jump, we jump ahead.

44:36

I just want to say this book with these wonderful toys, the fright factory thing maker.

44:39

I mean, the stuff that was bringing back the memories for me.

44:42

So we want our listeners to find your book too much horror business.

44:46

The great Gar Lou, which Gilbert. And I remember the bar, the Marx toy and the, and the squirt guns.

44:51

But, but one thing I do want to mention is you had those outer space man color form figures, which I've been looking for my whole life, the color form aliens.

45:03

I, you know, I told my wife, she said, this can't even be real.

45:07

You, you must have dreamt them. And we went on eBay and there, they were almost impossible to find in the original packaging.

45:14

You found them. Yeah, I got those pre-internet.

45:18

And before the internet, you're able to like, just kind of like network and track stuff down.

45:26

And then I would say, and I call this the golden age of the, of, of, of, of the internet between 1998 and nine, 2001, it seems like everyone just wanted to just empty out their addicts on eBay because there was so, so much great stuff that just became available in that three-year period on eBay stuff that didn't no one even knew it was worth interesting, get deals.

45:55

Really. And I got a few of those color form figures from eBay, but the ones that are in the package, I got those pre-internet and those are pretty hard to find very hard to find all of those.

46:06

I had all of those as a kid and yeah, they got destroyed as well.

46:10

They all got burned up that I

46:13

would kill to get my hands on them. I know what I'm talking about, Gilbert, the color, they were men from each different planet.

46:18

There was the Venus had plastic wings in his back and there was a squid man, octopus kind of deal from Neptune.

46:26

Just wonderful.

46:27

The little Mars, the Mars guy was a little green man.

46:30

They, those, those boy, those, those really bring back special memories With

46:36

the Aurora in the instructions.

46:39

It said for best results, use Aurora glue.

46:43

And I remember as a kid, I said, oh yeah, I, even then I knew that was bullshit.

46:49

And then it hurt us.

46:51

Like big glue is different than them.

46:56

Well, also you were an insider because your dad sold models in his hardware store.

46:59

Oh, This is it. He sold one model back then Snowden glue became the older rage with the kids.

47:10

So a law was passed.

47:14

Yeah. I remember that. Yeah. You couldn't buy glue unless you were buying a model.

47:20

And so my father, he worked in a hardware store.

47:25

He owned the hardware store.

47:27

He had a crappy airplane model and every day kids would come in, he'd sell them the airplane model and, and glue.

47:41

And then he counted to five, go outside and in the trash would be the airplane model and he take it in and he, he re he's.

47:52

So like one model, like about a hundred times.

47:58

Wow. Amazing. Yeah. Yeah.

48:00

I, I remember, I remember that time and I remember my mom saying, you know, you know, there's all these kids out there.

48:07

They're the, that are sniffing this glue.

48:10

You're not doing any of that. Kirk. I'm like thinking, why would I want to smell this stuff?

48:15

It already smells so bad already.

48:18

Yeah. Why would I, why, why would I want more of it?

48:23

And you, you grew up in a drug culture. You grew up in, in, in San Francisco, the San Francisco area, and everybody was doing.

48:30

And let me, and let me tell you, you know, the one thing that people forget about the whole hippie thing, you know, they remember the long hair, they remember the tie day stuff.

48:39

They remember the free love, you know, they remember the women not wearing bras, but what they don't recall about the whole hippie thing is none of them wore shoes.

48:51

None of them as a child, OTPs everywhere, there were all barefoot.

48:56

And it drove me crazy because, you know, even as a kid, I had a thing about clean feet.

49:04

All these hippies had the dirtiest feet all the time.

49:09

And like, I wasn't having any of it.

49:14

It's an interesting part of your bio and your history that you, you escaped to the comic book store to get away from your parents.

49:19

Hippie friends. Yeah.

49:21

They were everywhere. I could remember my brother bringing me to a grateful, dead free concert in golden gate park.

49:31

And I remember looking around seeing a lot of people with their faces painted, you know, with flowers and you know, animals and just thinking I want to be at that comic bookstore reading right now.

49:48

We've got a question later about the comic book store that a listener sent him.

49:54

They make the models somewhere along the way they changed it, where they make the models now where it's for specific movies, like, like the Wolf man model is different than the Frankenstein meets the Wolf,

50:12

even though they were still making them. Yeah.

50:14

I've seen it in these hobby shops where you look Well,

50:19

there's a, there's a lot of people.

50:22

Yeah. A lot of independent people who, who make just about every sort of universal character that's out there.

50:29

Yeah. Yeah. It's like, you look at the Frankenstein and you go, okay, that's a car loft that should Cheney.

50:34

That's the Lugosi one.

50:37

They mold the face.

50:41

Yeah. Yeah. It's great. I mean, you know, nowadays people are so wrapped up in the individual characters and all the details that, you know, it just makes for a better product.

50:53

And I love it. There's a, I still buy monster models to this day resin kits.

50:59

I don't have the time to, to put them together.

51:01

I hire someone else, but you know, once I get that finished kit, it goes up on my shelf and I'm loving it.

51:07

So cool. Don't you. And don't, you wish they still publish the monster times And

51:12

Fari Ackerman's magazine, all that stuff, you know, would it be a better world?

51:16

Oh, you know, absolutely.

51:18

I, I loved the monster times and I loved that it was in the newspaper.

51:23

Oh yeah. Now

51:25

you must have visited Ackerman.

51:28

Yeah. Did you go to the I,

51:30

yeah, I went to the accurate Acura mansion a few times.

51:33

You know, I, I had a little bit of a relationship with

51:37

He knew me as, you know, the musician guy who always asking him about his, his painting, his and his artwork, because, you know, I, I, I love the, the, the, the magazine covers and I have the original paintings to a number of a number of them and, oh, the go-go stuff.

51:58

Yeah. The Go-Go's paintings. And that all started by just going over to the Acker mansion and just kind of like, you know, hearing that, that for he needed money and just kind of innocently saying, you know, Hey foray, do you want to sell that, that, that painting up right there, you know, famous monsters, number 21, and him saying, think about that a hundred thousand dollars, Kirk.

52:32

I'm like what? He goes, ha I'll take it for two grand or you can have it for two grand.

52:39

And like, I'll take it for two grand, which is back in the eighties, kind of like, no relatively, no large amount of money for like 19 88, 19 89 for, for a piece of original art.

52:52

That was when the original art market for that kind of stuff.

52:55

Wasn't even like even developed yet.

52:58

Yeah. How much is it worth Now?

53:00

I have no idea because those Gogo's paintings, when they come into my, my, my collection, I hang on to them and I don't let them go.

53:11

And, you know, I, I just think that they're just like the ultimate and they're an important part of the collection because basil Gogos as a standalone artist, I thought was brilliant and we just lost, Just

53:25

lost them a few months ago. Yeah.

53:27

Unfortunately, bear that out.

53:31

I think friends Jetta. Oh, Frank Frazetta.

53:35

Yeah. He was just like, he's gone through, yeah.

53:38

He's Frank Frazetta.

53:40

He's like Norman Rockwell.

53:42

To me, he's not the, the anti Norman Rockwell, which I just love about him, but yeah.

53:50

You know, my, the, the Go-Go's paintings and, and the, the, the famous monsters paintings that I have are real important to me because it puts, you know, it puts that, that aspect of it, you know, Bazell, Gogos his personal vision.

54:05

It shines a light on that, which I, you know, is, I think, important the overall, you know, horror fandom, you know, or just Shandra, he, his artwork was what attracted me to famous monsters as a kid.

54:22

You know, those outrageous covers just jumped out at you.

54:26

And they're just so striking.

54:28

And to see those paintings in person are just that much more striking.

54:33

I've never seen one in person. If you Gil those ghost paintings, the covers, the old covers.

54:38

Yeah. Yeah. I, my, my, you have to Sue, you have to come see the collection on the next museum opening.

54:47

It will be a, there'll be a new opening that's coming soon.

54:50

I can't really talk about it, but there'll be actually close to you guys.

54:54

Oh, really? East coast. Yeah.

54:56

Good. We'll make it. We'll make a pillow. We'll make a pilgrimage Kirk.

55:01

And you just have to see these paintings because if you're into famous monsters of Filmland, they'll just knock you out.

55:06

And, you know, basil Gogo's, his process was amazing because a lot of the times he was just working from black and white stills.

55:14

And you look at these paintings and then there's just like in full livid color, Did

55:22

he work in acrylics or are they oils? I

55:27

believe that, you know, that I believe they worked at both, you know, a lot of, a lot of his later paintings have a lot of texture to it.

55:36

I say, I, I want to say acrylic, but you know, a lot of his earlier stuff doesn't have as much texture.

55:42

So maybe it was watercolor.

55:44

We'd love. I'd love to see those lines. Absolutely.

55:46

Since you brought up Lugosi Gilbert and I were just talking about why zombie, first of all, you'll also have to tell us how you acquire those, unless it's a secret, I'll those two, the two costumes came into your possession.

55:57

And just to reiterate for our listeners, you have Baylor's costume from white zombie and where he was the food, the evil voodoo master, and you, which killed a movie.

56:08

Gilbert. And I were just talking about that as a very disturbing film, but you also have Karloff costume from the black cat.

56:16

I was able to, to acquire the best of both pieces in auction, but what really, really just kind of surprised me was just one day I was just, I was just paging through this one auction catalog and straight in the, in the corner with like very little fanfare.

56:35

It just mentioned, you know, Boris Karloff outfit for the black cat.

56:41

And I, when I read that, I was like, what is this?

56:45

Can't be, I mean, that movie was made over 80 years ago.

56:49

And I looked at the outfit and I got a magnifying glass out and looked at the buttons.

56:56

And then I got a, still from the black cat with the costuming question, I got a microphone or a microscope out and our magnifying glass, I mean, and I looked at the buttons and the buttons matched up.

57:13

Wow. And so I thought to myself, wow, this is the real deal.

57:18

And I can't believe it. And I made it my, my goal to acquire it.

57:23

And I did. And how wild?

57:27

Yeah. The black cat is probably in my top three universal horror movies, show Frankenstein.

57:34

I love drag The

57:38

black guy, the black guy on another planet.

57:40

It's real. It Really is.

57:42

We recommend it all the time to our listeners.

57:45

And we will, again, Amazing. It's like usually the universal monsters were in an old castle or something, an old and in the black cat, it's old like art deco.

57:58

Yeah. It's very straight. Not only that, there's a, there's a, there's an over abundance of psychological stuff.

58:10

Yeah. Pedophilia is touched upon ah, Satanism, neck Garfield.

58:18

Yeah. A lot Of

58:20

it's pre COVID. Let's be a pre-code movie for them, for them to have gotten all that stuff in there.

58:26

Yes it is. Yeah. And

58:28

what's funny is usually my big complaint with movies is I'm constantly seeing a scene and something where I go, oh, that makes no sense.

58:37

Or they wouldn't, people wouldn't react that way.

58:42

The black cat makes zero sense.

58:46

You don't mind the beginning to end.

58:48

And I don't care.

58:50

I love the fact that it's insane.

58:53

It's wonderful. It's So atmospheric.

58:56

Yeah. For as insane as it is, it also has a weird sense of realism to it, you know, it's, it's crazy.

59:02

And, and black comedy.

59:05

Yeah. Yeah. And, and for me, Karloff is just so great the way he looks, you know, the way he speaks his, all his mannerisms.

59:16

I mean, you know, that, that, that, that his character was based after Allister Crowley and there, the, the necklace that he wears around his neck is a kind of a variation of Alister Crow, these signature.

59:34

Interesting. Yeah. Yeah.

59:36

And, you know, I love that, that aspect about it because no one was making films with that sort of content back films About

59:46

Satanism. Yeah. And,

59:48

you know, I, I, in my mind sometimes, you know, I, I wonder what it would be like to remake that movie, but not change the script at all.

59:58

Just modernize it, just, you know, and basically have the same storyline.

1:00:03

It it'd be an incredible By

1:00:06

Carla sped. There's a digital clock.

1:00:11

I never noticed that. That's so interesting.

1:00:15

Yeah. Yep. Yep. And white zombie, by the way.

1:00:17

And Gilbert and I were talking about it, not as kinky, a movie as the black cat, but really unsettling and weird in its own way.

1:00:26

And every time I see those zombie workers in the sugar mill, it's so disturbing.

1:00:33

Oh yeah. It's so terrifying.

1:00:35

It's Like the granddaddy of the Zombie.

1:00:39

Yes. And he's great. And a Jen, I didn't know this until I started doing the research on you, Kirk.

1:00:43

I didn't know that Jack Pierce did Lugosi's makeup.

1:00:47

Yeah. Yep.

1:00:49

And some of the sets or the Dracula sets as well.

1:00:53

And you know, the, the great thing about, about white zombie is the silence.

1:01:00

There, there are moments when it was just, it's just so quiet, but it's just so heavy, heavy, and atmosphere and vibe.

1:01:11

And I just love that. It's the kind of Character

1:01:14

you want Lugosi to play. Just a guy with no soul, no morale, no, no moral center whatsoever.

1:01:21

He's a human, he's a human monster.

1:01:25

Yeah. It's just dark. And just for boating and just like, you know, not afraid of any sort of like consequences at all.

1:01:34

And just, and the name itself, murder legend, Dar.

1:01:39

Great. And then the black hat has its tongue and its cheek a little bit.

1:01:42

It's got a little bit of a sense of humor, but white zombie is a serious as a heart attack that he should just a creep.

1:01:49

But I heard that Go

1:01:51

see was not happy with white zombie Or

1:01:55

maybe you Interesting. That's what I heard.

1:01:57

That's what I heard too. I heard he wasn't, eh, I guess what had happened was it was made by these two brothers, the Halprin brothers.

1:02:05

And I think at one point he wasn't satisfied with maybe the dialogue or something.

1:02:11

That's what I, I had heard, but I mean, you know, in that movie, every bit of that he speaks, it's just so effective.

1:02:20

So I don't know what he's talking about.

1:02:23

I mean, you know, every time he speaks or like hanging on every word, I wonder Why

1:02:27

I wasn't happy with it. Yeah.

1:02:29

I never, It comes off. He comes off rather well in it.

1:02:33

Absolutely. Absolutely. And

1:02:35

oh, I remember in the black cat, there's a one part where OD a bag is falling from the overhead compartment on the train and the girls screams and they say something like, oh, I thought I'd be crushed unknown though.

1:02:58

She goes, oh, I, I was frightened.

1:03:01

And Lugosi goes bed to be frightened than gross.

1:03:12

I always love when he throws the scissors on their camera and you hear the cat, it's a cat it's so sit such as sick movie.

1:03:24

Yeah. And, and also look, go see where he really, and people forget this.

1:03:30

Cause they always say, oh, well, he could only play Dracula as when he was Igor.

1:03:36

It was totally different than anything he had ever done.

1:03:43

And he's good again. Yeah.

1:03:45

You know, I, I have to say, you know, when he played Igor for me, it, it kind of, you know, it was as phatic as, you know, playing the Frankenstein monster.

1:03:55

I mean, he, He

1:03:57

owned it. I mean, I, I really, you know, I really felt sympathy for Igor and what really killed me.

1:04:04

It was the scene where he's playing the flute and you know, all of a sudden the monster or comes.

1:04:10

I mean, how, how, how touching is that?

1:04:14

Oh yeah. That's a touching moment.

1:04:18

Yeah. He, he finds those moments in that one.

1:04:20

Go see, find the comedy in Igor.

1:04:23

There's like some parts that just really funny the way he delivers the lines.

1:04:30

Oh, I just love it. When, when they said, oh, they try to hang I-Corps but they failed.

1:04:35

Oh Yes.

1:04:39

The big broken neck. Thank

1:04:42

you. Hiring me because I don't have graves.

1:04:45

They say Exactly.

1:04:50

You hit it To

1:04:52

two other movies that I found in the research that you like that are near and dear to our hearts are the incredible two headed transplant.

1:04:59

The thing with two heads.

1:05:01

I love them, which we're very fond of.

1:05:03

Oh, How great is Bruce Dern?

1:05:06

We had him on, we had him on the show.

1:05:08

We had them here. We asked him about it. He has a great sense of humor about it.

1:05:14

Rosie Greer. Yeah.

1:05:18

Yeah. And that was a genre that came and went Two

1:05:22

heads on a body. Was it? It

1:05:24

was so obvious to pray.

1:05:29

My land is just resting his chin on Rosie Greer shoulder and not E

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It seems like a good idea at the time. But white bigot was dying and the black soul brother needed time to prove his innocence more power to you, brother.

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I want a transplant, my head down a healthy body.

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I think I like to donate my body to science after.

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So they transplanted the white head onto the black body who would have suspected that neither would care or the idea too much.

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What are you guys doing to me? Shout out.

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Where's the rest of you.

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We are joined again temporarily.

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I would've loved to have been a fly on the wall when they were filming that.

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Absolutely. Absolutely.

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And they're both. They're both good.

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Casey caissons and I think Casey was and the thing with two heads.

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Yup. Yeah. He

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shows up and then the Rosie Greer, Ray Mullin monster escapes the police on a motorcycle.

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Yes. Yes.

1:07:02

Kirk real quick. I got a couple of questions from fans.

1:07:04

We do this thing called grill the guests and these, these are quick questions he says you used to Kirk use to hang out at the first all comic book store in the United States, which was the San Francisco comic book company.

1:07:18

Does he have a story about the late owner?

1:07:20

Gary Arlington? Yeah.

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One time something happened.

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I had like a, I don't know.

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I, I ha I guess I didn't eat breakfast one day and I was looking at some comic books and just like, literally just like passed out, knocked over a whole stack of comic books.

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And Because

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you were set because you weren't eating your lunch, you were spending your lunch money.

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Exactly. You know, on Erie. It was, it was connected.

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Yeah. And the next thing I knew, I woke up and I was at St.

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Luke's hospital in San Francisco in like in, in, in the emergency ward, on a bed.

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And there was Kerry right next to me.

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And I looked at him and I said, I said, what happened?

1:08:08

He said, you passed out.

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He knocked over a big old stack of old comic books we had by it.

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And, and we thought you were like dying on us.

1:08:21

So I rushed you. I got you in my Volkswagen.

1:08:23

And I drove you over to the hospital and here we are now.

1:08:27

And I looked at him and I thought, wow, you're just kinda like, I thought to myself, wow.

1:08:32

You're just like my dad, but even cooler.

1:08:35

That's a nice story.

1:08:38

Yeah. That's a nice story about him. We lost Gary to Risa and the best part about it is that, you know, I was, I was there, he had some comic books for me to look at.

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He's like here, hit here. These just came in.

1:08:49

I was like, really? You actually didn't use the comic books to read.

1:08:52

It was amazing Comic

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books locally. Oh yeah.

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In Brooklyn. Well, they were the comic books you could buy anywhere.

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There was no comic book store. Yeah.

1:09:03

They were alive. Magazine stands, drug store, You'll

1:09:08

comment rack, and the drug store. And the store all that stuff.

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Yeah. W when, when I was at Gary's store, often I could remember seeing a whole range of, of characters going through there.

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But at the end of the one, I remember the most was Robert crumb.

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Oh, you met Robert crumb. That's right.

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No, I kinda like, I just kinda like stayed out of his way because, you know, for me, I wore glasses as a, as a, as a kid, but his glasses just took the cake and his glasses were so thick.

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And like, you know, that, that's what made me really remember him was his glasses and the way he spoke and like, and I knew that he was an underground artist.

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And so I just, I stayed out of his way because he was a little intimidating for me as, you know, a little kid, allegedly.

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Yeah. He came into the store, quite a lie.

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Him and Gary were very close. And

1:10:02

I remember a new stands would have comic books and monster magazines.

1:10:08

And also, you know what I love about the old posters, let's talk about the poster book is that well, like, there's, it, it conquered the earth, which is a crappy movie with the phoniest looking monster ever.

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Is that with Beulah? Oh, it conquered the world.

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Yes. Conquered the world. And of course they always had these lines in it.

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First, this a sexy girl align there in a nightgown that she probably never wore in the movie.

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And that shows a lot of skin and the, the blurb is it made men prisoners and women slaves.

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So everything was sex, you know, they show a monster and nothing could control its desires.

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Yeah. Yeah. Amazing. All those posters you know, that, it seems like in the fifties, the women were either in like bathing suits or slip.

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It's a lot of that. Yeah.

1:11:22

Yeah. Especially in the cold war stuff, but those, I have to tell you the universal, did you mark the Gilbert mark, the book, those universal posters, the French and the Argentinian, are they the Frankenstein posters?

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Those are fascinating.

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The only ones of their kind of Amazing.

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Yeah. This is the only non-examples that have survived The

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double double panel or they called yeah.

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World war II did an, a real number on, on movie posters, both here in the United States and obviously in Europe, but, and in the United States, when the war effort was going, they had these things called paper dries, which was basically, you know, people driving through town and recycling paper.

1:12:08

And those recycling trucks would stop at the movie poster exchanges, which were a lot of these posters w would live.

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They were like, there were like poster libraries and the poster exchanges would just come out with huge stacks and just throw them onto the paper trucks and drive off with them.

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And so that's why there is a large amount of movie posters that have survived.

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And so, you know, a lot of these posters they're there, they're the only ones that have been discovered and found.

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And so the French double panels are pretty unique in that, you know, when they're there, they're there pre world war II and they, they have managed to survive all this time and, you know, to, you know, people didn't really ever think about hanging on to this stuff in the first place.

1:12:58

So, I mean, just, just the fact that it just didn't get thrown into the, in the trash is just a remarkable thing To

1:13:06

show Gilbert. And this is the reason I don't like Hitler.

1:13:10

That's One reason.

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Yeah, me too. He really put a damper on German cinema.

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I mean, there, they were doing really good with Nosferatu and metropolis and, you know, cabinet Dr.

1:13:24

Caligari. Oh yeah.

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They all had to get out of the country. Yeah.

1:13:28

You know, It's funny in the cabinet of Dr.

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Caligari, they, they offered both of them a chance to live comfortably in Germany.

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If they make propaganda films for the Nazis.

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And so cross, he decided to stay in Germany and make God propaganda, Conrad vibe, escape to America and where he was most famous playing the German officer in Casablanca.

1:14:05

He was very anti Nazi.

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So it's called Freunde, Kauflin kicked out at Germany and he worked on the Mo the mummy.

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And, and A

1:14:18

girl Who did the black cat, Carl

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Freunde later in his career wound up being the director of photography on, I love Lucy.

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Isn't that interesting from, Eh,

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from the mummy. And do I love Lucy?

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Cause they had to work. And Jack Pierce was the makeup artist in Mr.

1:14:38

Ed's. Right. Really?

1:14:40

Yeah. Toward the end. Yeah. Yeah.

1:14:42

This is, these are the ones we were talking about. The Argentinian poster, the French poster, James whale's name is misspelled on the French poster, which I guess increases the VADs to the value of it.

1:14:53

Well, it was a later addition, if you look at that poster there, which no director, Robert Florey who actually wanted Bela Lugosi to play the monster gets a credit on that poster.

1:15:04

But what had happened is Carl Lemley for some reason or another, I can't remember wanted James whale on the project.

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And so Robert Florey got replaced by James whale and James whale was the one who saw Boris Karloff eating in the universe.

1:15:21

So cafeteria and Sadie, you're the guy to play the monster, But

1:15:28

you know, history history was made.

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Yes, absolutely. Yeah.

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The, you know, the, the, the, the French P a double panel posters, I like a lot, because, you know, graphically, they kind of have a different perspective than, than a lot of their American posters.

1:15:47

You know, it just kind of like, it just looked kind of like, you know, I don't know, more colloquial was one of the Stein

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posters found in an abandoned movie house in Canada.

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Do I have that right? In a, in a, in a, in a projection room?

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Yeah. It was a walled off production, projection booth.

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And it was, it was, I guess, a projection booth that, that, that the people knew were there, but I guess they, they, there was no reason for them to like tear down the wall or look inside this, this empty room until just recently someone tore down the wall stepped inside and on right there on the wall was a Frankenstein three sheet.

1:16:37

Amazing. Amazing. How incredible is that?

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I mean, I wish I wish something like that would happen to me.

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Yeah. I was telling Gilbert it's, it's, it's fascinating.

1:16:47

And, and equally fascinating as the story of the, of where the mommy poster turned up when the guy was remodeling his house.

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Yeah. You know, there's, it's amazing because I have movie posters have been found in New Zealand in Iran, in Sweden, just all over the place.

1:17:11

And these are American posters there.

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The American issue, I have a whole slew of half sheets that were, were found underneath the floor and in New Zealand, my, yeah, the mummy three sheet that I have was founded Sweden of all places.

1:17:32

And that's, that's just strange to me because Sweden had their, their own movie poster, production house.

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They printed and design their own movie posters.

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And I've seen the movie, the original movie, Swedish movie poster to the money.

1:17:47

So for Sweden to have an American poster and a three sheet, it's just kind of like, it almost seems like a mistake, you know, like they got sent this poster by accident and they kind of threw it in a corner and just forgot about it until it was found, you know, decades later.

1:18:03

And, you know, and I, I managed to acquire it, but it's crazy because this stuff is just, you never know where it's going to come from.

1:18:14

One of the sad things I was saying to Gilbert too, is a lot of times in those days, the artists didn't sign their work and they were anonymous.

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You didn't know, in some cases, in some cases you do, but in some cases, in many cases, nobody knew who was painting these things.

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Just, just studio artists, you know, grunts people who were grinding out a check.

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Yeah. And to me, it's just a, it's a, it's a real shame, you know, because these people had had no idea just how, how, how much their artwork meant to people.

1:18:50

You know, I had, I have a feeling that, you know, there were just, it was just another gig for them, you know, th just like, you know, break it out, make get it done and move on to the next thing I got.

1:19:03

I ask you a music question, Kirk, you said anybody who plays or listens to heavy metal music understands horror films because it's the same shade of dark and light.

1:19:14

Yeah. It's the same, same elements.

1:19:16

It's the same group of emotions, you know, same sort of emotional dynamics, you know, it's, it's, it's the building of, of tension and releasing it.

1:19:27

It's the, you know, it's the energy that, that, that that's, that, that you feel that's maybe at the same sort of a pulse as a racing heart, When

1:19:39

you went into audition for Metallica, the BA the bass player was reading a Lovecraft story and you send you, you had an instant connection.

1:19:46

You said these guys I'm simpatico with this guy.

1:19:50

Yeah. I remember when I flew out to audition for Metallica, I remember arriving, you know, shaking hands with the guys, going into the room and playing music for two or three hours, and then coming out, going, wow, that was kind of a mind blowing.

1:20:07

And then just taking a moment and sitting down and looking around, and then seeing cliff Burton with his, his, his head in a call of Dungeons and dragons rule book.

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And I instantly said, Hey, I have that book.

1:20:27

I know that game called Q2.

1:20:28

And he looked at me and said, Hey, yeah, HP Lovecraft man.

1:20:32

And I said, yeah, I know HP glove craft.

1:20:34

I love him. He goes, I go to, and then he said, I said, I love zombies.

1:20:40

And I said, I ate two whole day near the living dead Dawn of the dead day of the dead, sort of like a tribute.

1:20:52

And I knew I had found a kindred soul.

1:20:57

I knew you belonged with that group. Yeah.

1:21:00

That's, that's, that's a great story.

1:21:02

I got just one more question about Metallica.

1:21:04

This is from my sister, my sister-in-law's boyfriend begged me to ask this.

1:21:07

Can you recall? He loves and justice for all.

1:21:11

This is from Brendan brown. Can you recall any of the thought process?

1:21:14

And this is you. I, this is a tough, probably something that needs a long answer, but maybe you can give me a short one, any of the thought process that led, that led to the sound, the special sounds on injustice for all.

1:21:25

Cause the record redefined metal recording in his opinion, Special

1:21:31

in quotation marks.

1:21:33

You know, it's really funny because we were recording that album James or the guitar player went for a very unique sort of, of, of guitar sound and, you know, Lars wanted his drums to sound like very dry and upfront as well.

1:21:55

And you know, those two unique sounds put together, created a sort of tonal palette where that when you added more bass frequencies, it just kind of muddied up the, the, the mix.

1:22:10

And so as a result of that, you can't really hear our bass player very much, you know, as that album turned out the way it turned out, you know, we, we, we thought we made a really kind of like, you know, unique and different album.

1:22:28

That sounded nothing like the previous, you know, our previous three albums and, you know, unbeknownst to us, you know, I guess that, that people have used the sound of that album as a template for their own albums.

1:22:45

And I didn't even realize this until someone brought it up to my attention 10 or 15 years ago.

1:22:51

You know, we just thought that we just looked at it as kind of like a sauna Sonic experiment to try for one album, you know, but it wasn't anything that we were going to hang our hats on for the next, you know, two or three decades was more a kind of like a place where our heads are at sonically.

1:23:09

And as a result of it, a lot of people really liked the way that album sounds.

1:23:16

You know, I, in retrospect, I admire, you know, I admire our audacity that trains something so different, but you know, our next album kind of filled in for what we were missing from injustice for all.

1:23:38

And so I'll just put it, I'll just put it that way.

1:23:41

But yeah, but you know, a lot of, like I said, a lot of people really, really are attracted to the sound of that album and it there's, there's nothing really, it's not a warm sounding album it's really upfront and in your face and it's hard to get away from when you listen to it loud, He's

1:24:04

gonna love that answer. He's gonna love that answer.

1:24:06

And I have to say, answer Sandman is, is a, is a piece of work that, that sounds very much like it was written by people who embrace horror to wonder who understand it.

1:24:17

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:24:19

Or let's just say the darker side of life.

1:24:22

Yes. Yeah. It's very, it's more, more inclusive.

1:24:26

Very, very much. So. He'll you want to ask him about Twite Frye Who died Young

1:24:34

on a bus? Yeah,

1:24:37

I think, and I, a bus On

1:24:40

a bus, he had a heart attack. I

1:24:42

think they had it listed in the paper as toolmaker Dwight for high.

1:24:49

They didn't even have him like as an actor.

1:24:53

And he was so funny.

1:24:56

He started out big go like Frankenstein, bride of Frankenstein, Dracula.

1:25:03

And then he started just popping up, like in the horror sequels.

1:25:11

Like, he'd be like one of the villagers.

1:25:16

Yeah. Yeah. So like an extra or something.

1:25:20

It's a strange short career he had. And

1:25:22

I heard he was supposed to be a very skilled song and dance, man.

1:25:27

I didn't know that. Yeah. Interesting.

1:25:31

Yeah. I heard that he came out of theater in Broadway.

1:25:35

I got to Look that up. He did that whole, whole, whole circuit and then, and then became an actor.

1:25:42

But yeah, you're right. I mean, when I think about fry, I can't really think about, I can't really think of any movies past like 19 36, 19 37 that he was in.

1:25:55

Oh, maybe it wasn't even like some monogram stuff.

1:25:57

Maybe like the vampire bat or Some may have.

1:26:00

Yeah. I

1:26:02

can't picture breaking into song.

1:26:06

Oh. But I have to say, you know, he worked for me.

1:26:08

He was a large part of that movie, Dracula.

1:26:11

I mean, his portrayal of Renfield was brilliant.

1:26:15

And you know, the scene I'm talking about when he is discovered on the ship and he's glaring.

1:26:23

Absolutely brilliant.

1:26:31

All right, Kirk, and the, and the time we have left, we're going to give you one wild card.

1:26:34

These are fees of three movies we've talked about on the show on this show, and we'd love you to comment about them.

1:26:40

And you could pick one or, or comment on all three, the Tingler freaks or island of lost souls.

1:26:50

How about all three? Okay. Okay.

1:26:53

So I, I remember when I first saw the Tingler on, on television and I was just so disappointed that I wasn't seeing it in a movie theater with that tingling sensation.

1:27:03

Cause I'd read all about it.

1:27:05

Oh, monsters.

1:27:08

Yeah. Yeah. And you know, and, and when I actually had seen it, you know, I was just like, I was just thinking, wow, I wish I would have been in the theater and actually that experienced it the way that they, you know, the makers wanted the viewer to experience it.

1:27:23

But you know, what's interesting about the Tingler is they mentioned LSD in it lysergic that's correct.

1:27:33

Yes. Yep. And by the way, by the way, Bob burns was one of those guys wiring those seats.

1:27:37

Oh wow. He told us they were, they were airplane motors, the things that made the, made the chairs vibrate.

1:27:47

Wow. Amazing. And so, yeah, you know, they're, they're talking about LSD, so I'm just wanting, could it be like, you know, some weird, like no MK ultra, you know, propaganda sort of like weird kind of like drug CA FBI thing that was connected to this movie.

1:28:05

Probably not. And

1:28:07

of course the greatest scene they're in a movie theater and the picture goes house and Vincent Price, frantically and poems, Jody, and scream for your ladies, youth in the deep dream veer laves and then it immediately goes to, we now resumed Murphy's Gender

1:28:38

here, a better Vincent Price than that perk.

1:28:40

That's that's really good. That's really great.

1:28:44

Real quick. Give us something on island of lost souls, which Gilbert loves.

1:28:48

Well. Yeah. I love when, when Bella go sees a screening about the house of pain and are we not men?

1:28:57

Yes. And you know, it's creepy whenever he screams, are we at not men these days?

1:29:03

I want to scream back. No, we are Divo.

1:29:09

Yeah, that's right. They co-opted that yay their house.

1:29:13

Hey, Hey, Mae does in their house, shove pain, not the men not be things.

1:29:29

Wow. That's, that's really, really great.

1:29:31

You have a dam. Yeah.

1:29:34

And you know, I really believe again, you know, the ghost, he steals that full heat from yeah.

1:29:40

He knows. And what these, the law now that is the law.

1:29:47

And, and I heard that, ah, I think Charles Laughton based his performance of the med doctor on his tendons.

1:29:59

I've heard that. Yeah.

1:30:01

That's really, wow.

1:30:04

I'm glad that that dentist is probably not around anymore.

1:30:10

Yeah. Well, yeah. What you give us one, one comment or one insight on freaks.

1:30:15

Well, you know that when one of the last scenes, when, when there, when all the freaks are out and it's raining and fear is, is, is doing, is hobble.

1:30:27

You know, that's the guy without the arms and legs.

1:30:29

He's hobbling from side to side, with a razor in his mouth.

1:30:33

Oh my God.

1:30:34

That was just like the ultimate for me.

1:30:36

I was ahead of its time. I

1:30:39

want you to think, oh yeah, the audiences weren't ready for that subject matter.

1:30:43

And I remember, I, yeah, that was one of the movies I picked when I was home with Robert Osborne.

1:30:51

That's right. And it, it's one of those movies where even if there's not a scary thing happening, you're still a little scared.

1:31:04

It has you on edge the whole time.

1:31:07

Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. And I was just in constant Marvel, anytime any of the freak characters came on screen.

1:31:15

I mean, it's just like, you know, I was just like just blown away by the fact that they get those.

1:31:21

Those are, those are real people and they're not even acting, Oh,

1:31:28

the, the ending number one, they make the woman into a half chicken.

1:31:34

Yeah. And I heard that was a chicken suit that Lon Chaney Sr built.

1:31:39

Wow. He was planning a movie, good trivia.

1:31:42

And in the, what they cut out of the movie was that the strong man at the end is singing soprano.

1:31:55

So it that the freaks cash graded.

1:32:02

Wow. Wow.

1:32:04

I wonder if that, that footage still Exists.

1:32:06

It might. That, that, to me, I was glad they didn't keep that in because I want the fridge to be a little sympathetic a little bit.

1:32:16

And if they cut a guy's Dick off, I can't really root for him.

1:32:21

That's crossing a line for you. We'll tell our listeners to check out the black cat white zombie freaks and an island of lost souls.

1:32:30

If they haven't by now 200, 200 out, of course, the Wolf man, 200 episodes.

1:32:35

And by the way, he does a great Maria Ben Scott, And

1:32:38

you can't forget the thing with two heads Transplant,

1:32:47

Maria spun sky. I was the only kid who could imitate Listen

1:32:51

to this curve. Yes, She

1:32:53

was. She was amazing by the way.

1:32:57

Well, his thought on the thorough enough of your own, but that said, Hey, in and thirst, this Shire, they refer and so here call and Paret desk and find peace for a moment.

1:33:19

My son, Wow.

1:33:23

I wish our listeners could see the look on Kirk's face.

1:33:28

I'm just thinking, you know, if I would've known you Gilbert as a kid, I, you know, I think we would have probably been inseparable.

1:33:40

Did you, did you really want to know another kid who was doing Maria was spent sky impression?

1:33:44

Well, I would just, let me just go on to say that, you know, I, as a kid and I I'm, I'm sure they can.

1:33:53

All his horror fans could relate. I spent so much time imitating Frankenstein, the mummy Dracula Wolf, man, you know, who didn't get the, get the A's bandages and start wrapping their heads, you know, Dragging

1:34:10

your foot behind you.

1:34:13

Yeah. Yeah. It's so, I mean, I just, yeah.

1:34:17

Oh, I wish you guys had each other as kids, but that's one of the great things about this show.

1:34:22

Kirk, is that we get to meet the other monster kids.

1:34:24

We get to identify them and bring them in.

1:34:27

So anything to plug what's coming up, you guys are on tour.

1:34:33

Well, I just want to say that I left out something about, you know, the black cat costume is that once I finally did, did acquire it, the first thing I did was put it on and it actually fit me wow.

1:34:45

Around the house for like an hour, just pretending I was Boris Karloff in the black cat.

1:34:51

So that's Fantastic.

1:34:53

How did it fit? It

1:34:55

actually fit me crazy because you know, I, I I've, I'm, I'm five, seven.

1:35:02

I know Karloff was like maybe 5, 10, 5 11.

1:35:07

But I, you know, I always knew that he was a slim guy too.

1:35:10

And so, you know, I was able to like put it on and walk around without, you know, busting any seams or anything like that.

1:35:17

So, So if we, if we make a pilgrimage out to the house, you're going to let Gilbert try on the, the, the Karloff costume for the black hat.

1:35:26

I'll break out the tape measure, measures waste really quick.

1:35:34

Well, let me for there. Let me plug the books of the too much horror business, which is fantastic.

1:35:38

You will lose a days looking at it.

1:35:41

It's on Amazon. And also it's in bookstores, please.

1:35:44

Patronize bookstores. Also it's alive, which we have here, classic horror and sci-fi movie posters from the Kirk Hammett collection, which Gilbert is absolutely fascinated by.

1:35:54

And I'm going to let him take it home and play with it.

1:35:57

And what's going your pardon? What?

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I usually go home and play With

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it. What, what what's going on with the, with touring the exhibit and, and, and your yearly festival and anything else you want to put out there?

1:36:11

Well, the, the, the collection just finished a really great run at the Peabody Essex museum in Salem.

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And that's wrapped up now and we're getting ready to do another show on the east coast.

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When we finalize everything, then I can actually tell you what, where it's going to be, but it is going to be on the east coast.

1:36:35

And then it's, it's gonna go to a few other, other museums.

1:36:40

And, and, and so we have a pretty busy schedule as far as the museum exhibits and the collection are concerned, or it's going to run till like 2020.

1:36:55

And this is like three or four different places.

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So hopefully you'll come to a place close to you guys because it will be on the east east.

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We got to get there. We got to go see those goggles paintings in, in, in person One

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day, I'll have to show you my Lon, Chaney Jr.

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On our graph. Oh, totally would love to see that.

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And you know, just get together and like do some IM imitations and an impression In

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all your, all your, all your travels, Kirk.

1:37:24

And you've been pursuing this a long time.

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Did you ever meet anybody who did Maria, who spent sky?

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It is a first, I have a friend on the east coast who does a pretty, a pretty good, you know, Igor.

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I asked him to do Elena vertigo, but he wouldn't do it.

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That's funny. You don't even do it that, so, So,

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so Hey Elena vertigo guys, come on.

1:37:53

Who is she? Oh, she was in the Wolf,

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man. She just died.

1:37:58

She died last year. Wasn't

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she? And house of Frankenstein.

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Exactly. Yes. And

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Jake, Carol Nash is in love with her.

1:38:10

Yes, she was in the lane of her. Dugo was also Marcus Wellby's nurse, Marcus Welby MD.

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So sell Coffee. I don't Know

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about that. She was in those coffee Numbers

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that might've been Mrs. Olson, But

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her family at one point, her family owned like half of a half of a, of the land at universal studios is on wow.

1:38:33

Way, way back in the day, her family was, I guess they had a huge ranch in that area When

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you're this way, either with the band or, or by yourself, you know, we'll do another one of these.

1:38:47

We, we can talk about Val Lewton would love to, we didn't get into the black sleep and we could just, we could do a six hour show with you because you're one of those guys.

1:38:55

I love the black sleep, by the way. And again, now John Carradine, I thought it was just such a great, great actor.

1:39:02

You know, he could play anything.

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And he was so convincing and tours In

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that one, right towards, I've never seen it shame on me.

1:39:12

I gotta, I got to catch up with the black sleep. And

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when you watch Carradine, you, each time I watch him, I go see that it was funny because both Carradine and Chaney Jr.

1:39:22

Were both in night and yes, Lon Chaney Jr.

1:39:28

Seemed like a miserable, drunk, a depressed, angry, drunk.

1:39:34

Whereas Carradine seems like the happiest strong on the planet.

1:39:39

Like you've seen blasted most of the time.

1:39:44

He's got a body of work, that guy. Oh my God.

1:39:48

When you saw him later on, you know, he did a lot of cameos and like the seventies and whatnot, he always seemed like he was so happy to be in that, in those CA and cameo positions.

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I think he's in, is it the howling or maybe?

1:40:07

Yes. Isn't the house. He's great in the howling because he looks like he's playing himself.

1:40:12

He's the only one.

1:40:14

And I couldn't believe they didn't have the rest of them.

1:40:18

They're like Janie and Karloff.

1:40:19

He's the only one of the horror stars.

1:40:23

Who, who pops up in the Munsters?

1:40:27

Yes. He's Mr. Gatesman the head of the funeral director.

1:40:30

Yeah, he was, he was Herman Munster's boss.

1:40:35

That's right. That's right. Yeah. And for a second, he's in brighter Frankenstein.

1:40:39

Yes. He was one of the hunters that, that, that was a monster with a hermit Lincoln.

1:40:44

You're missing. We could do seven hours talking to you about this stuff.

1:40:52

Kirk. It's fun. I hope you had fun. Well,

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let's get considers this, you know, episode one.

1:40:58

Absolutely Absolute.

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Absolutely. No. One's going to plug the book one last time.

1:41:03

K it's it's alive classic car Saifai movie posters from the Kirk Hamot collection.

1:41:13

It Is absorbing. And they're just great to see those, those Posters.

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And now I guess I do the wrap up.

1:41:20

You Do the wrap up. Well,

1:41:22

let's just Gilbert Godfrey and this has been Gilbert.

1:41:24

God preach amazing colossal podcast with my co-host Frank Santopadre.

1:41:31

And we've been talking to a guy who is a member of Metallica, but much more important.

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He's old monster movie free.

1:41:44

Her Timing

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hurt. Do you know a book called heavy metal Movies,

1:41:49

heavy metal movies.

1:41:51

You have to book your leg. We're going to send it's written by one of our, one of our staffers.

1:41:55

Mike McFadden. We're going to send you a copy.

1:41:58

You'll love it. Oh no, thank you so Much.

1:41:59

It sounds like I Will.

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It's something right up your alley.

1:42:03

And this was fun. Our listeners have been saying, get her cabinet.

1:42:07

We got you. And we're happy we did. Okay,

1:42:10

great. Yeah. I'm really, really glad that I had this chance to like, sit in, talk to you two fine gentlemen, about what means the most in life.

1:42:20

You know, I hope that we can take it up again and you know, maybe we'll we'll solve the Earth's problems with our conversation, our next conference.

1:42:31

Well, let us know when you're this way and we'll call it part one.

1:42:34

Definitely. Thanks, Kirk. Thank you. All

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right. Thank you guys. Thank you so much.

1:42:38

We'll see ya. You

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Hi, this is Gilbert Godfrey, and you know, we love all our generous supporters on Patriot and we're adding more goodies all the time bonus episodes behind the scenes, videos, questions, shrimp patrons, coming, attractions, and more go to patrion.com/gilbert Godfrey. Thank you for your support. Hey guys, Frank here to let you know that we're running another Encore episode of this week, but we are not on break or vacation. We're busy knocking out recordings this month. The reason for this Encore is we did have an all new Halloween episode ready to go for you guys. Unfortunately, we had some technical challenges and that one's going to be just a bit late, but we didn't want to miss out on the holiday by not putting out a Halloween theme show. So we're flashing back to 2018 and one of our favorite episodes with Metallica guitarist and lifelong monster kid, and this man is truly dedicated Kirk habit. This is probably the only interview with Kirk to date and which Metallica and his music was barely mentioned. I think we brought it up once, but he didn't seem to mind since we were talking about his favorite topic in the world, which is universal monsters. And if you Google Kirk, Hamot the Kirk Hammett collection, you can see examples of some of his very impressive collection of memorabilia. He's got mass and costumes actually worn by Bayla and Boris, including Baylor's white zombie outfit, which I've talked about also props you've even, he's got some original basil Go-Go's paintings. He published a book of these, a book of photos of the collection called it's alive, which is well-worth finding the man is truly obsessed. Like, like we are so happy Halloween to our fellow freaks do keep an eye out for the 2021 Halloween show, which should be up shortly and until then enjoy our classic 2018 interview with rock and roll hall of Famer and monster kid deluxe. Kirk Hammett 5 4, 3, 2 1. I, this is Willie Tyler. This is last day. You're listening to Gilbert. Godfrey's amazing colossal podcast. It is Nice. Thank You guys. Hi, this is Gilbert Godfrey niches, Gilbert Godfrey to amazing colossal podcast. I'm here with my cohost Frank Santo Padre, where once again, we're coating at nutmeg with our engineer Frankfurter Rosa. Our guest this week is to musicians. So writer 2009 nine in dumped into the rock and roll hall of fame and a lead guitarist of one of the most popular and influential bands in rock. Each story, my towelette car he's old. So cold rider of several of the band signature hits, including pay-to-play master of puppets and enter Sandman. And he's been named one of rolling stones, 100 greatest rock the Taurus, the volt time. As a boy, he developed a keen interest in art and science fiction movies, including the original Frankenstein, which led to a lifelong quest to acquire artifacts and memorabilia, celebrating the movies he loved in 2000 in 2012 art cover book too much are rubbish. This features more than 300 images of the vast collection of our movie memorabilia. He's a mashed over the course of three decades, including toys, masks, models, artwork, even our original costumes worn by Bayla, Lugosi and Boris Karloff and his terrific follow-up VOCA, July featured Dustin's of aura and Saifai movie posters from his personal collection, including rare posters from please. Welcome to the show. One of the most accomplished musicians of darling rock era of Bella munch, your kid, and most importantly, our man who shares our love of the black cat Kurt Amad Audi, Eric welcomes out, wow, that's quite an intro Gilbert, a you kind of making me blush there for a second. The lengthy intros would become part of the show. Kirk. Yeah, they, they double as an obituary. Well, that's great. Now I kind of get, get, I got an example of how it might end up See, here's something I have a hard time putting together. Cause I remember people telling me you should get Kirk Hammett on this show. Lots of people from Metallica. And I said, ah, from Metallica, Y and I thought, and they said, he's the biggest old Munster movie free. There is his collection is insane. And, and so how, you know, the world of hard grok and nerdy guys. Yeah. Buying gay, he, ah, Hey, you know, he straddles both of those worlds. It's weird because in Yurok worlds, you get laid. And I know thinking to that and, you know, getting one of the electrodes that Glen strange Well Glenn strains turns women on. Yeah. You know, I started getting into the horror thing from a very, very young age. I mean, I felt the, the draw, the attraction when I was five years old and that it was when I had seen my very first horror movie, which is day of the Triffids and in it never, never waned from that moment on from seeing that movie, that movie to right this second, it's never waned. I I've always been attracted to this, this, this genre because it just feels so fun. So great and so comfortable and so relatable. And you know, this is my very first love. The horror genre and music came a lot later. So to tell you the truth, I, you know, this, this is, this is, this was my world that I lived in as a child. It was just complete world that I created for myself. W reading all these, all these comic books, reading all the monster magazines, seeing the movies, you know, watching the, the Saturday night, oh, horror shows that are on TV, Where you recruit your features guy to Kirk, Bob Wilkins Was here, Wilkins right there. Local horror hosts. Yep. San Francisco On the east side, we had Jack Zack early. It was accurate. Yeah, absolutely. And we lost them recently. Yeah. In fact, Zachary pretty much had the best description for the type of music I play. And he called that plugged in music that plugged in To this day, that, that description it's just close to my heart. Cause it's, you know, it's very accurate. Right. I remember I grew up reading, famous monsters, a film aligned. Yes. And I had two things that I bought from the magazine one, the Frankenstein poster. Is that the poster that you still have? Yeah. The house. Yeah. He's got it in the living room and in the magazine, they make it like that. They're sending Frankenstein to your home and then you go, it's a poster by H it's in a frame in the living room. Now I kept it for years. The other thing I have also a complete rip off was Herman, the Asiatic insect. Now they, in the picture, you see a little kid open a box and an enormous Munster with fangs and laws and tentacles leap out and people are screaming at terrorists. So I sent away for that. And it's a little tiny box about an inch long with a tiny stick in it, like got like an ice cream steak that has some fuzzy glued on it and a rubber band for antennas. And, and that terminal a, the Asiatic is that ring a bell. Absolutely. Absolutely. I remember seeing the ad in, in captain company and yeah, that ad, it was like you were sending away for like a, some genie in a bottle, but it was, you know, horrible Herman in a box. And I remember years later finally seeing one of those things and opening it up and thinking, oh my God, horrible Herman you're so not horrible. Did you do the sea monkey thing too? Yeah. I had numerous see monkey adventures, you know, died on the, you know, yeah. You're supposed to let them grow, you know, from like Monday to Friday, but by Wednesday, mine would all be floating at the top of the water. I don't know what w w what wrong, And, and, and faces. I was expecting these things, you know, to be swimming around with like totally human features and whatnot, you know, and being able to like, look at me and interact. Yeah. I remember seeing an ad and, and it wasn't in famous monsters, but it was in some other magazine. It said 12 foot tall monster from space 25 cents. And I thought, wow, this is too good to be true. And so I sent my 25 cents in, I remember like three months later, this package came and it was a tube. And I was like, what is this? And I remember opening it up and thinking, oh, stir, I didn't know. I didn't order a poster and then unrolling it. And it's the picture of the 12 foot space monster. And they never told you that it was, oh, you know, a poster. I thought it was some like three dimensional sort of figure. But you know, when you're seven and a half years old, of course old, you know, you're expecting the world 45 cents. Isn't bad for a poster though. Yeah. One thing we've discussed on this show, but I don't think could be discussed enough. They would advertise you could buy monkeys. Oh yeah. We talked about that with Joe Dante. Yes. And a totally crooked operation. And when you got the package, I heard the monkeys, there was no laws on the books maybe, but the monkeys would be sent to these kids who were the, and the monkey would either be dying or dead when it got to the kid's house. Wow. So they, they actually did send a real, That's what we, here, we here, we had the director, Joe Dante here, and he disputed it, but I've seen ads for horrible. Wow. Yeah. I remember looking at a lot of that captain company stuff and think, wow, all this stuff is really cool, but, you know, I grew up a poor kid. So, you know, I would always stare at the Dom post magazines. Right. You know? Oh, yeah. Masks, I mean, Dumbos masks and think, wow, these are the greatest masks in the world, but how am I going to afford $32 and 99 cents you, how, when it was a real struggle for me to just like, come up with 50 cents to buy famous monsters, you know, every month or so, Didn't your parents give you money for milk and lunch and you would, you would blow it on, on at the comic book shop and on famous monsters and monster times and all that stuff. I would abstain from eating lunch. That's how that's how dedicated. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, I grew up with a steady diet of famous monsters and creepy magazine Erie magazine Sure. And creepy all that stuff. And then later, later on heavy metal magazine And I heard with the Munster masks in the back of the magazine, they would actually apply makeup to the masks to make them look better. Yeah. You know, I always kind of suspected that there were too good looking to be true. And, you know, I w if you see the mass nowadays, you know, the one, the actual ones, you know, th th I could see how, how they would have like, augmented the, the mass themselves. But one thing that they did do that, that none of the kids ever even knew about is when they wore the mask in the pictures, they put blackout around their eyes. And so, you know, when a kid would get these, these masks and put them on without the blackout, you know, you would, it was so obvious that there are, you know, wearing a mask. Cause you could see the flash around the eyes coming through. And it wasn't quite the same effect as it was when you're looking at, at the picture in the magazine, You are now you call yourself an outcast kid, Kirk, that you related to the monsters you felt, and Gilbert has, you've mentioned this on previous shows that you felt sympathy, oh, the monsters. And it was an emotion that you developed early by watching monster movies. It was always like, well, Frankenstein's the most obvious he's a, he's a little kid he's, he doesn't know about the world. And he just wants to be loved and have friends, the Wolf man's like adolescence where your whole body is changing and you're growing hair. And you're, you're sounding different than you don't know why this has happened. As a theory, he spent years developing work And Ben Dracula is what every guy wants to be. Yeah. He's a cool guy. Yeah. You know, I think he hit it on the spot on all of those, you know, I always liked the mummy too, because you know, the mumble, let me struggle with trying to communicate. And he always was so slow and numbering and, you know, it's amazing that he actually caught anyone because he moves so slowly we've talked about. But when you don't, you didn't have a stage of life for the mummy. I guess it was old age. The mummy would be the Arthritic. I just, I find it interesting that you guys both had that, that moment, that turning point moment where you felt such sympathy and compassion for the monster, you were, what, Kirk five, when you watch Frankenstein five or six years, Six years old with your dad. And, you know, there was something that I could relate to just right off the bat. You know, this guy who just won, wants to be loved and he wants to understand, you know, why he's there. And he, he, you know, he's looking for the right father figure, but he keeps on getting rejected, you know, from, from the father figure, you know, humanity as a whole, and, you know, in a micro sort of way, I kind of maybe felt that at six years as a six year old, but I definitely felt that later on growing up, you know, I felt socially kind of like awkward, you know, and being a shy kid, you know, I just, it was just, oh, it was just easy for me to, to, to relate to these characters because there were, there were just, there were stumbling through life with all, all these obstacles in front of them. And that's how my own life felt. You relate to that kill Being an introverted. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. You'll always how you identify with the monster in those movies. And I, the earliest Munster movie I remember seeing is the indestructible man with Robert Shane, who was the inspector on Superman, Joe Flynn for McHale's Navy and Mac show Walter. And, and, and I, and I didn't realize at the time that Chaney Jr was like scary for the wrong reasons. At that point, it was just life. He's the world's biggest lunch or any junior fan Kirk. I have a lot, a lot of respect for Lauren Cheney. You knew too, but you know, he eventually did become that character in mice and men, you know? Oh Yeah, yeah. He's quite good at that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy. But yeah, I, I, I particularly like, like to launch Annie junior and the Wolf band for me. I mean, that's just like, it's classic performance and I really like him as count Alec hard to, yeah, it's great. Great. I love that movie so much. I have a son and my wife wanted to give him a middle name with an a in it, from one of her relatives. And I was pressuring her to name him value card. I love that she didn't go along with it, but I would have loved to have had a son count value card. I would have loved that too. You got, you got max into horror movies pretty early. Yes. Yes. He, I mean, when he was really little, I would say, okay, who played Frankenstein, NIGO, Boris Karloff. And then the Wolf van Lon, Chaney, Jr. And then, and Bayla, He made him, she made sure he said Bayla, right? You have two sons, Kirk, how old are your sons? Nine, nine and 11. And they're constantly asking me when they can watch certain horror movies. And, you know, I'm like thinking, well, how old was I when I watched this kind of movie? And I always think way too early. And so, you know, I, I, you know, they asked me when can I see how ways your dad and I'm thinking, Hm, hell raiser kids nine years old. No. If they need to be seeing a movie about sex, sexual satanic demons from hell, maybe a little young up 14, maybe. And they're like, how about 12? Watch them, let the watch, let them watch the universal classics Though. Oh yeah. They, they they've seen Dracula Frankenstein, bride of Frankenstein, but their favorite. And I'm not surprised as Abbott and Costello meet Frank it's. There you go. I so much, We've spoken a million times about that on the show. That's a great movie. Oh, I love it. Glenn strange. Yeah. And you know, I really liked Bela Lugosi his performance in that movie as well. I mean, he, you can tell that he was so happy to be back playing count Dracula that, you know, every time he's on screen, he just like, he's just like soaks it for so much, you know, atmosphere and vibe, at least that's what I think. Oh, go ahead. Yeah. And you know, like you said, Glen strange, he made such a great monster. I mean the, his facial structure just really just added so much to it. Every nook and cranny in his face just really augmented the character a lot. And the funny thing to me is like, you know, they weren't using Lugosi back around that time. And regular horror film was at 46. Yeah. 46, 47. Yeah. And they Use Carradine who was terrific. He's a great actor, but boy, when you see Lugosi in Abbott and Costello meet Frankenstein, you go, this is what was missing from the other movies. Absolutely. I agree. You know, you know, John Carradine I think is a, a great, amazing actor, but I don't know why that decision was made and you know, they should, they should. The thing about Bela Lugosi is that he, he was just so, so much himself, every time he walked out on screen here, you were just like, there he is, he's on screen. And he just dominated the whole room, you know? And I think that, that, that, that kind of like held him back in the end, you know, especially with the Dracula role. But I agree, you know, he should have been in all those movies. How's the Dracula house of Frankenstein. He is, what's missing. He is, what's missing from them for sure. Speaking of Abbott and Costello meet Frankenstein, tell Gilbert, and it's in the book, it's in too much horror business. What you have, you have the masks that button, but in lieu war. Yeah. You know, the scene where they're about to go to a, a Halloween costume ball. Sure. Yeah. And they, they put on two masks or papier-mache masks. One of them is of a werewolf. Another, another is of like, you know, some like ghoulish kind of like vampire looking character. Those are found about five or 10 years ago. And I saw him in an auction and, oh my God, I couldn't believe that those things were still around and imagine managed to acquire them. And so those made it into the book. And also, yeah, th the Wolf man had that in the book is also from Abbott and Costello meet Frankenstein. And it took a long time to verify that. But, you know, once we were able to like authenticate it, that it was indeed from that movie, I was very, very happy because you know, to have one prop from any of those universal movies is incredible to have two is like, you know, great to have actually three pieces. You know, I am in heaven And they're great, great things to own reading. I read an interview with you and collectors weekly, and this is interesting Kirk. And they said, well, you said one of the ways that you acquire this stuff was to get in touch with people who worked on those universal films, but are these, are these airs? I mean, these people aren't alive. How do you, how do you go dig them up? Stuff like that? Well, some of them were, were errors. You know, some of them were, were relatives of the people who actually worked on this stuff and had this stuff. A lot of it, a lot of it, I got F pre-internet, which is just like a lot of networking, you know, a lot of in investigating a lot of grilling people. And I remember another moment where my son made me really proud when he was like two or something. He was sitting in a coffee shop with my wife, and he was staring at some guy sitting by himself in the corner. And he, he leans into my wife and he goes, mommy, that man looks like the lunch Chaney Jr. And I said, that's my, I don't need DNA testing. Perfect. I love That. And now I had almost a full collection, Frank and I would talk about the, the, The Aurora Munster model. Yeah. And I wanted to ask you too with that was that the first thing was that the first item as a, as a kid that you decided to start collecting was that the gateway drug, so to speak, It was the beginning. And you know, that it all started from me walking into the kitchen. And there was my brother and my cousin and their, their painting. They had bought up the Frankenstein model and they're painting it and they're painting it all wrong. I said to them, what are you doing? Frankenstein? Isn't purple and orange and yellow and green. And, you know, I, for years and years and years, I, I, I couldn't understand what that was all about until I just realized that, you know, they're on acid when they're a painting. This is like, this is like 1968 or 1969. But when I saw the model, I was like, wow, they're doing a horrible job. And I ran, you know, ran to my mom and like, got some, some, you know, what was it like, what were they like a dollar 25 or something like that? Yeah, no, I borrowed the money from my mom, went to the store, picked up a Royal Frankenstein model and built it. And that was the beginning of the end, really? And I bought that, that, that particular model and every one of those models, at least six or seven times as a child, because I was constantly building them, painting them and either blowing them up with firecrackers, setting them on fire or just doing something just absolutely destructive. I was. And, you know, you know, I would just, it was just what I did with my that's. Why. Yeah. That's why I, I don't have anything left for my child. Good thing. You've got the scratch to Replace them. Yeah, exactly. 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So order now@amazingcolossalmerck.com Old. So aside from their famous Wolf man Frankenstein or Lowe's, ah, I remember my mother, she went to the store and she bought me, they had two together and I guess it was cheaper. They were like attached together. And one of them was the witch that was just yeah. And, and bride of Frankenstein. Yep. Yeah. That bride of Frankenstein model was outrageously cool. Because the best thing for me about that Brian Frankenstein model was there is a tray on the table with the human heart in it. Yes. She's on the slab. Right, right, right, right. And how cool there was that other whoa, there was forgotten parishioner, right. That was just, yeah. Yeah. And, and then there was the other one, the whatever they called it, it was a box with different things to, I have whatever the word is. When you add to something, they would have like little model rats or skull accessories, accessories, and you Could be the customizing kit. Yes. And you could paint them up and put them on your models that were already there. Yeah. And you ha you had the glow and the, you had the glow in the dark ones. Kirk, what do they call those? The light, the frightening lightening. Yeah. They're there, they first came out as the fright, the lightning edition. And then they they're just after that, they were just straight on, you know, Aurora glow in the dark models. And I love those too, because, because you know, for me it opened up a whole new, new, a way of destroying them, which was So Phil, you didn't blow yours up. You, you would sit there and get the glue and assemble and then, and then painstakingly paint them. I would, yeah. I would glue them, paint them. I'm impressed. I even would like put paint, paint in the eyes. I would get like a pin and I put a little paint on it. Yeah. And those things were so popular. I guess what, 61 62, that, that I hope this is true. That they were manufacturing them 24 hours a day to keep up with demand. I would, I wouldn't be surprised. I mean, they had an amazing run there around for like a good what, 12, 15 years or something. And without very much, you know, alteration to the, from, from the original design. And so I would say, you know, they, they're pretty successful and they're still pretty popular to this day. And then I, I heard that someone bought the molds of the Aurora models and tried to put it out themselves with the idiotic ad campaign rated X for excitement. Wow. I only remember that. So Parents were going, I can't give my kid a porn, you know, they would see And heard sales. I had the king Kong. Oh, I did too. You had to paint the little Fe Ray was in his hand and I had them, I had the mummy, they weren't glow in the dark at first. Right. That wasn't, that was, that was a future additions later, Later. Yeah. God, what a wonderful time. I always hated though, like in the model they told you to paint Frankenstein green and when they make them look green and posters, because I think it's, the makeup was green, but that was so would look gray on screen. Exactly. Look Sure. There is a whole, whole, whole, a whole debate on that. You know, Frankenstein be green, should Frankenstein be ghostly pales, should Frankenstein be bluish, you know, reddish there's everyone has their preference. You know, personally, I can understand why people would want their Frankenstein to be green because that's just kind of like the, the, the popular sort of a way to present him. But, you know, I think it's more effective if he has more of a paleish kind of ghostly paleish greenish bluish kind of pallor rather than straight green. Yeah. I am. Well, it's always interesting when the Munsters went from black and white to color to see what color they were going to be, that Herman was that sort of sickly green. Yeah. Not gray. Yeah. I got to ask you about some of the other toys. Cause Gilbert, before you came on with a skillet and I were talking about like the, the wiggle lake bobble heads, and we were looking at the pictures in the book and I mean, it's so much fun and this is your first book, too much hard business. But to go through those pictures, it's not only just fun to see the stuff, but it, it, it brings back memories that I haven't had or things I haven't thought about in 30 years. And Gilbert and I were looking at the page where you have all the w w the Wolf man stuff arranged together. And he's remembering stuff he had. And, oh, I, I have a, a signed postcard of the Wolf, man. It where it says Lon Chaney on it. Because in famous monsters, they once said, you know, Janie, Junior's not feeling well, here's an Adger ice. And I sent him a get well card and got back a, a, you know, a little postcard of the Wolf man with his signature on it. That's the most amazing thing. Wow. He actually replied back. Why is it a Stamp? Cool. Was it his actual signature? No, it was an actual signature. Very cool. Wow. And you know, I'd like to see that sometime. Oh, Any time We'll, we'll make that happen. If you're going to be in New York, anytime soon, we'll make that happen. And I have a friend Sooner or later, I have a friend who, when he was a kid, he met Boris Karloff and he asked him for an autograph and Carlos said he would send them one. And then Carlos died. And the day after he died, the autograph showed up at the kids' house, which is the ideal way to get a Boris Karloff. Yeah. Wow. That's an amazing story. Wow. That's crazy. I, I know this guy who, who grew up in, in Beverly Hills and, and his, his, his father was a famous entertainer. And he was telling me for his 12th, your birthday, he, his parents got him early from school and, and, and said to him, happy birthday, your presence is in the kitchen. And he walked into the kitchen and they're sitting at the table was Boris Karloff. Wow. He was a big monster fan. And so he just went, he just lost his mind. That is great. Wow. That is great. You, you, you've gotten to know Sarah A. Little bit. We had Sarah on the show and I know she's in, she's in, she's worked with you when your festival. Yeah. Sarah, she's such a lovely, lovely, lovely. They, we love her and she's so sweet and just so nice to be with. And, and the great thing is that she's, she's very patient. When you ask her a million questions about her father, like open and willing. And I love that about her. She is. I love when she, we had her on the show and I love that she described Halloween and Christmas as her dad's busy season because of the Grinch. I just want to say too, before we move on from this and that, that book, and we'll plug it again at the end, Kirk and our fans, you know, the people that listen to the show are obsessed about the same stuff. We're obsessed. Well, we had on, cause I was demanding to have her on the show. Oh, he'll love this Janet and Gallo. Oh, wow. Oh yeah. She knows who she is. Wow. That's fantastic. I found her a little Girl. You know, I, I'm going to have to like find that episode. Yeah. The little girl from ghost of Frank And touch, she's quite chatty. We had, we had Ron Chaney here. We had lunch. Annie's grandson on Cheney. Jr's grandson. And we had a, we had Vincent Price's daughter, Victoria And Bayla June. And we had Baylor Jr. Who obviously also know, wow. Tell Gilbert and this, before we jump, we jump ahead. I just want to say this book with these wonderful toys, the fright factory thing maker. I mean, the stuff that was bringing back the memories for me. So we want our listeners to find your book too much horror business. The great Gar Lou, which Gilbert. And I remember the bar, the Marx toy and the, and the squirt guns. But, but one thing I do want to mention is you had those outer space man color form figures, which I've been looking for my whole life, the color form aliens. I, you know, I told my wife, she said, this can't even be real. You, you must have dreamt them. And we went on eBay and there, they were almost impossible to find in the original packaging. You found them. Yeah, I got those pre-internet. And before the internet, you're able to like, just kind of like network and track stuff down. And then I would say, and I call this the golden age of the, of, of, of, of the internet between 1998 and nine, 2001, it seems like everyone just wanted to just empty out their addicts on eBay because there was so, so much great stuff that just became available in that three-year period on eBay stuff that didn't no one even knew it was worth interesting, get deals. Really. And I got a few of those color form figures from eBay, but the ones that are in the package, I got those pre-internet and those are pretty hard to find very hard to find all of those. I had all of those as a kid and yeah, they got destroyed as well. They all got burned up that I would kill to get my hands on them. I know what I'm talking about, Gilbert, the color, they were men from each different planet. There was the Venus had plastic wings in his back and there was a squid man, octopus kind of deal from Neptune. Just wonderful. The little Mars, the Mars guy was a little green man. They, those, those boy, those, those really bring back special memories With the Aurora in the instructions. It said for best results, use Aurora glue. And I remember as a kid, I said, oh yeah, I, even then I knew that was bullshit. And then it hurt us. Like big glue is different than them. Well, also you were an insider because your dad sold models in his hardware store. Oh, This is it. He sold one model back then Snowden glue became the older rage with the kids. So a law was passed. Yeah. I remember that. Yeah. You couldn't buy glue unless you were buying a model. And so my father, he worked in a hardware store. He owned the hardware store. He had a crappy airplane model and every day kids would come in, he'd sell them the airplane model and, and glue. And then he counted to five, go outside and in the trash would be the airplane model and he take it in and he, he re he's. So like one model, like about a hundred times. Wow. Amazing. Yeah. Yeah. I, I remember, I remember that time and I remember my mom saying, you know, you know, there's all these kids out there. They're the, that are sniffing this glue. You're not doing any of that. Kirk. I'm like thinking, why would I want to smell this stuff? It already smells so bad already. Yeah. Why would I, why, why would I want more of it? And you, you grew up in a drug culture. You grew up in, in, in San Francisco, the San Francisco area, and everybody was doing. And let me, and let me tell you, you know, the one thing that people forget about the whole hippie thing, you know, they remember the long hair, they remember the tie day stuff. They remember the free love, you know, they remember the women not wearing bras, but what they don't recall about the whole hippie thing is none of them wore shoes. None of them as a child, OTPs everywhere, there were all barefoot. And it drove me crazy because, you know, even as a kid, I had a thing about clean feet. All these hippies had the dirtiest feet all the time. And like, I wasn't having any of it. It's an interesting part of your bio and your history that you, you escaped to the comic book store to get away from your parents. Hippie friends. Yeah. They were everywhere. I could remember my brother bringing me to a grateful, dead free concert in golden gate park. And I remember looking around seeing a lot of people with their faces painted, you know, with flowers and you know, animals and just thinking I want to be at that comic bookstore reading right now. We've got a question later about the comic book store that a listener sent him. They make the models somewhere along the way they changed it, where they make the models now where it's for specific movies, like, like the Wolf man model is different than the Frankenstein meets the Wolf, even though they were still making them. Yeah. I've seen it in these hobby shops where you look Well, there's a, there's a lot of people. Yeah. A lot of independent people who, who make just about every sort of universal character that's out there. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, you look at the Frankenstein and you go, okay, that's a car loft that should Cheney. That's the Lugosi one. They mold the face. Yeah. Yeah. It's great. I mean, you know, nowadays people are so wrapped up in the individual characters and all the details that, you know, it just makes for a better product. And I love it. There's a, I still buy monster models to this day resin kits. I don't have the time to, to put them together. I hire someone else, but you know, once I get that finished kit, it goes up on my shelf and I'm loving it. So cool. Don't you. And don't, you wish they still publish the monster times And Fari Ackerman's magazine, all that stuff, you know, would it be a better world? Oh, you know, absolutely. I, I loved the monster times and I loved that it was in the newspaper. Oh yeah. Now you must have visited Ackerman. Yeah. Did you go to the I, yeah, I went to the accurate Acura mansion a few times. You know, I, I had a little bit of a relationship with stuff. Yeah. The Go-Go's Kirk. I'm like what? He goes, ha I'll take it for two grand or you can have it for two grand. And like, I'll take it for two grand, which is back in the eighties, kind of like, no relatively, no large amount of money for like 19 88, 19 89 for, for a piece of original art. That was when the original art market for that kind of stuff. Wasn't even like even developed Yeah. How much is it worth Now? I have no idea because those Gogo's paintings, when they come into my, my, my collection, I hang on to them and I don't let them go. And, you know, I, I just think that they're just like the ultimate and they're an important part of the collection because basil Gogos as a standalone artist, I thought was brilliant and we just lost, Just lost them a few months ago. Yeah. Unfortunately, bear that out. I think friends Jetta. Oh, Frank Frazetta. Yeah. He was just like, he's gone through, yeah. He's Frank Frazetta. He's like Norman Rockwell. To me, he's not the, the anti Norman Rockwell, which I just love about him, but yeah. You know, my, the, the Go-Go's paintings and, and the, the, the famous monsters paintings that I have are real important to me because it puts, you know, it puts that, that aspect of it, you know, Bazell, Gogos his personal vision. It shines a light on that, which I, you know, is, I think, important the overall, you know, horror fandom, you know, or just Shandra, he, his artwork was what attracted me to famous monsters as a kid. You know, those outrageous covers just jumped out at you. And they're just so striking. And to see those paintings in person are just that much more striking. I've never seen one in person. If you Gil those ghost paintings, the covers, the old covers. Yeah. Yeah. I, my, my, you have to Sue, you have to come see the collection on the next museum opening. It will be a, there'll be a new opening that's coming soon. I can't really talk about it, but there'll be actually close to you guys. Oh, really? East coast. Yeah. Good. We'll make it. We'll make a pillow. We'll make a pilgrimage Kirk. And you just have to see these paintings because if you're into famous monsters of Filmland, they'll just knock you out. And, you know, basil Gogo's, his process was amazing because a lot of the times he was just working from black and white stills. And you look at these paintings and then there's just like in full livid color, Did he work in acrylics or are they oils? I believe that, you know, that I believe they worked at both, you know, a lot of, a lot of his later paintings have a lot of texture to it. I say, I, I want to say acrylic, but you know, a lot of his earlier stuff doesn't have as much texture. So maybe it was watercolor. We'd love. I'd love to see those lines. Absolutely. Since you brought up Lugosi Gilbert and I were just talking about why zombie, first of all, you'll also have to tell us how you acquire those, unless it's a secret, I'll those two, the two costumes came into your possession. And just to reiterate for our listeners, you have Baylor's costume from white zombie and where he was the food, the evil voodoo master, and you, which killed a movie. Gilbert. And I were just talking about that as a very disturbing film, but you also have Karloff costume from the black cat. I was able to, to acquire the best of both pieces in auction, but what really, really just kind of surprised me was just one day I was just, I was just paging through this one auction catalog and straight in the, in the corner with like very little fanfare. It just mentioned, you know, Boris Karloff outfit for the black cat. And I, when I read that, I was like, what is this? Can't be, I mean, that movie was made over 80 years ago. And I looked at the outfit and I got a magnifying glass out and looked at the buttons. And then I got a, still from the black cat with the costuming question, I got a microphone or a microscope out and our magnifying glass, I mean, and I looked at the buttons and the buttons matched up. Wow. And so I thought to myself, wow, this is the real deal. And I can't believe it. And I made it my, my goal to acquire it. And I did. And how wild? Yeah. The black cat is probably in my top three universal horror movies, show Frankenstein. I love drag The black guy, the black guy on another planet. It's real. It Really is. We recommend it all the time to our listeners. And we will, again, Amazing. It's like usually the universal monsters were in an old castle or something, an old and in the black cat, it's old like art deco. Yeah. It's very straight. Not only that, there's a, there's a, there's an over abundance of psychological stuff. Yeah. Pedophilia is touched upon ah, Satanism, neck Garfield. Yeah. A lot Of it's pre COVID. Let's be a pre-code movie for them, for them to have gotten all that stuff in there. Yes it is. Yeah. And what's funny is usually my big complaint with movies is I'm constantly seeing a scene and something where I go, oh, that makes no sense. Or they wouldn't, people wouldn't react that way. The black cat makes zero sense. You don't mind the beginning to end. And I don't care. I love the fact that it's insane. It's wonderful. It's So atmospheric. Yeah. For as insane as it is, it also has a weird sense of realism to it, you know, it's, it's crazy. And, and black comedy. Yeah. Yeah. And, and for me, Karloff is just so great the way he looks, you know, the way he speaks his, all his mannerisms. I mean, you know, that, that, that, that his character was based after Allister Crowley and there, the, the necklace that he wears around his neck is a kind of a variation of Alister Crow, these signature. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, I love that, that aspect about it because no one was making films with that sort of content back films About Satanism. Yeah. And, you know, I, I, in my mind sometimes, you know, I, I wonder what it would be like to remake that movie, but not change the script at all. Just modernize it, just, you know, and basically have the same storyline. It it'd be an incredible By Carla sped. There's a digital clock. I never noticed that. That's so interesting. Yeah. Yep. Yep. And white zombie, by the way. And Gilbert and I were talking about it, not as kinky, a movie as the black cat, but really unsettling and weird in its own way. And every time I see those zombie workers in the sugar mill, it's so disturbing. Oh yeah. It's so terrifying. It's Like the granddaddy of the Zombie. Yes. And he's great. And a Jen, I didn't know this until I started doing the research on you, Kirk. I didn't know that Jack Pierce did Lugosi's Yeah. Yep. And some of the sets or the Dracula sets as well. And you know, the, the great thing about, about white zombie is the silence. There, there are moments when it was just, it's just so quiet, but it's just so heavy, heavy, and atmosphere and vibe. And I just love that. It's the kind of Character you want Lugosi to play. Just a guy with no soul, no morale, no, no moral center whatsoever. He's a human, he's a human monster. Yeah. It's just dark. And just for boating and just like, you know, not afraid of any sort of like consequences at all. And just, and the name itself, murder legend, Dar. Great. And then the black hat has its tongue and its cheek a little bit. It's got a little bit of a sense of humor, but white zombie is a serious as a heart attack that he should just a creep. But I heard that Go see was not happy with white zombie Or maybe you Interesting. That's what I heard. That's what I heard too. I heard he wasn't, eh, I guess what had happened was it was made by these two brothers, the Halprin brothers. And I think at one point he wasn't satisfied with maybe the dialogue or something. That's what I, I had heard, but I mean, you know, in that movie, every bit of that he speaks, it's just so effective. So I don't know what he's talking about. I mean, you know, every time he speaks or like hanging on every word, I wonder Why I wasn't happy with it. Yeah. I never, It comes off. He comes off rather well in it. Absolutely. Absolutely. And oh, I remember in the black cat, there's a one part where OD a bag is falling from the overhead compartment on the train and the girls screams and they say something like, oh, I thought I'd be crushed unknown though. She goes, oh, I, I was frightened. And Lugosi goes bed to be frightened than gross. I always love when he throws the scissors on their camera and you hear the cat, it's a cat it's so sit such as sick movie. Yeah. And, and also look, go see where he really, and people forget this. Cause they always say, oh, well, he could only play Dracula as when he was Igor. It was totally different than anything he had ever done. And he's good again. Yeah. You know, I, I have to say, you know, when he played Igor for me, it, it kind of, you know, it was as phatic as, you know, playing the Frankenstein monster. I mean, he, He owned it. I mean, I, I really, you know, I really felt sympathy for Igor and what really killed me. It was the scene where he's playing the flute and you know, all of a sudden the monster or comes. I mean, how, how, how touching is that? Oh yeah. That's a touching moment. Yeah. He, he finds those moments in that one. Go see, find the comedy in Igor. There's like some parts that just really funny the way he delivers the lines. Oh, I just love it. When, when they said, oh, they try to hang I-Corps but they failed. Oh Yes. The big broken neck. Thank you. Hiring me because I don't have graves. They say Exactly. You hit it To two other movies that I found in the research that you like that are near and dear to our hearts are the incredible two headed transplant. The thing with two heads. I love them, which we're very fond of. Oh, How great is Bruce Dern? We had him on, we had him on the show. We had them here. We asked him about it. He has a great sense of humor about it. Rosie Greer. Yeah. Yeah. And that was a genre that came and went Two heads on a body. Was it? It was so obvious to pray. My land is just resting his chin on Rosie Greer shoulder and not E It seems like a good idea at the time. But white bigot was dying and the black soul brother needed time to prove his innocence more power to you, brother. I want a transplant, my head down a healthy body. I think I like to donate my body to science after. So they transplanted the white head onto the black body who would have suspected that neither would care or the idea too much. What are you guys doing to me? Shout out. Where's the rest of you. We are joined again temporarily. I would've loved to have been a fly on the wall when they were filming that. Absolutely. Absolutely. And they're both. They're both good. Casey caissons and I think Casey was and the thing with two heads. Yup. Yeah. He shows up and then the Rosie Greer, Ray Mullin monster escapes the police on a motorcycle. Yes. Yes. Kirk real quick. I got a couple of questions from company. Does he have a story about the late owner? Gary Arlington? Yeah. One time something happened. I had like a, I don't know. I, I ha I guess I didn't eat breakfast one day and I was looking at some comic books and just like, literally just like passed out, knocked over a whole stack of comic books. And Because you were set because you weren't eating your lunch, you were spending your lunch money. Exactly. You know, on Erie. It was, it was connected. Yeah. And the next thing I knew, I woke up and I was at St. Luke's hospital in San Francisco in like in, in, in the emergency ward, on a bed. And there was Kerry right next to me. And I looked at him and I said, I said, what happened? He said, you passed out. He knocked over a big old stack of old comic books we had by it. And, and we thought you were like dying on us. So I rushed you. I got you in my Volkswagen. And I drove you over to the hospital and here we are now. And I looked at him and I thought, wow, you're just kinda like, I thought to myself, wow. You're just like my dad, but even cooler. That's a nice story. Yeah. That's a nice story about him. We lost Gary to Risa and the best part about it is that, you know, I was, I was there, he had some comic books for me to look at. He's like here, hit here. These just came in. I was like, really? You actually didn't use the comic books to read. It was amazing Comic books locally. Oh yeah. In Brooklyn. Well, they were the comic books you could buy anywhere. There was no comic book store. Yeah. They were alive. Magazine stands, drug store, You'll comment rack, and the drug store. And the store all that stuff. Yeah. W when, when I was at Gary's store, often I could remember seeing a whole range of, of characters going through there. But at the end of the one, I remember the most was Robert crumb. Oh, you met Robert crumb. That's right. No, I kinda like, I just kinda like stayed out of his way because, you know, for me, I wore glasses as a, as a, as a kid, but his glasses just took the cake and his glasses were so thick. And like, you know, that, that's what made me really remember him was his glasses and the way he spoke and like, and I knew that he was an underground artist. And so I just, I stayed out of his way because he was a little intimidating for me as, you know, a little kid, allegedly. Yeah. He came into the store, quite a lie. Him and Gary were very close. And I remember a new stands would have comic books and monster magazines. And also, you know what I love about the old posters, let's talk about the poster book is that well, like, there's, it, it conquered the earth, which is a crappy movie with the phoniest looking monster ever. Is that with Beulah? Oh, it conquered the world. Yes. Conquered the world. And of course they always had these lines in it. First, this a sexy girl align there in a nightgown that she probably never wore in the movie. And that shows a lot of skin and the, the blurb is it made men prisoners and women slaves. So everything was sex, you know, they show a monster and nothing could control its desires. Yeah. Yeah. slip. It's a lot of that. Yeah. Yeah. Especially in the cold war stuff, but those, I have to tell you the universal, did you mark the Gilbert mark, the book, those universal posters, the French and the Argentinian, are they the Frankenstein posters? Those are fascinating. The only ones of their kind of Amazing. Yeah. This is the only non-examples that have survived The double double panel or they called yeah. World war II did an, a real number on, on movie posters, both here in the United States and obviously in Europe, but, and in the United States, when the war effort was going, they had these things called paper dries, which was basically, you know, people driving through town and recycling paper. And those recycling trucks would stop at the movie poster exchanges, which were a lot of these posters w would live. They were like, there were like poster libraries and the poster exchanges would just come out with huge stacks and just throw them onto the paper trucks and drive off with them. And so that's why there is a large amount of movie posters that have survived. And so, you know, a lot of these posters they're there, they're the only ones that have been discovered and found. And so the French double panels are pretty unique in that, you know, when they're there, they're there pre world war II and they, they have managed to survive all this time and, you know, to, you know, people didn't really ever think about hanging on to this stuff in the first place. So, I mean, just, just the fact that it just didn't get thrown into the, in the trash is just a remarkable thing To show Gilbert. And this is the reason I don't like Hitler. That's One reason. Yeah, me too. He really put a damper on German cinema. I mean, there, they were doing really good with Nosferatu and metropolis and, you know, cabinet Dr. Caligari. Oh yeah. They all had to get out of the country. Yeah. You know, It's funny in the cabinet of Dr. Caligari, they, they offered both of them a chance to live comfortably in Germany. If they make propaganda films for the Nazis. And so cross, he decided to stay in Germany and make God propaganda, Conrad vibe, escape to America and where he was most famous playing the German officer in Casablanca. He was very anti Nazi. So it's called Freunde, Kauflin kicked out at Germany and he worked on the Mo the A girl Who did the black cat, Carl Freunde later in his career wound up being the director of photography on, I love Lucy. Isn't that interesting from, Eh, from the mummy. And do I love Lucy? Cause they had to work. And Jack Pierce was the makeup artist in Mr. Ed's. Right. Really? Yeah. Toward the end. Yeah. Yeah. This is, these are the ones we were talking about. The Argentinian poster, the French poster, James whale's name is misspelled on the French poster, which I guess increases the VADs to the value of it. Well, it was a later addition, if you look at that poster there, which no director, Robert Florey who actually wanted Bela Lugosi to play the monster gets a credit on that poster. But what had happened is Carl Lemley for some reason or another, I can't remember wanted James whale on the project. And so Robert Florey got replaced by James whale and James whale was the one who saw Boris Karloff eating in the universe. So cafeteria and Sadie, you're the guy to play the monster, But you know, history history was made. Yes, absolutely. Yeah. The, you know, the, the, the, the French P a double panel posters, I like a lot, because, you know, graphically, they kind of have a different perspective than, than a lot of their American posters. You know, it just kind of like, it just looked kind of like, you know, I don't know, more colloquial was one of the Stein posters found in an abandoned movie house in Canada. Do I have that right? In a, in a, in a, in a projection room? Yeah. It was a walled off production, projection booth. And it was, it was, I guess, a projection booth that, that, that the people knew were there, but I guess they, they, there was no reason for them to like tear down the wall or look inside this, this empty room until just recently someone tore down the wall stepped inside and on right there on the wall was a Frankenstein three sheet. Amazing. Amazing. How incredible is that? I mean, I wish I wish something like that would happen to me. Yeah. I was telling Gilbert it's, it's, it's fascinating. And, and equally fascinating as the story of the, of where the mommy poster turned up when the guy was remodeling his house. Yeah. You know, there's, it's amazing because I have movie posters have been found in New Zealand in Iran, in Sweden, just all over the place. And these are American posters there. The American issue, I have a whole slew of half sheets that were, were found underneath the floor and in New Zealand, my, yeah, the mummy three sheet that I have was founded Sweden of all places. And that's, that's just strange to me because Sweden had their, their own movie poster, production house. They printed and design their own movie posters. And I've seen the movie, the original movie, Swedish movie poster to the money. So for Sweden to have an American poster and a three sheet, it's just kind of like, it almost seems like a mistake, you know, like they got sent this poster by accident and they kind of threw it in a corner and just forgot about it until it was found, you know, decades later. And, you know, and I, I managed to acquire it, but it's crazy because this stuff is just, you never know where it's going to come from. One of the sad things I was saying to Gilbert too, is a lot of times in those days, the artists didn't sign their work and they were anonymous. You didn't know, in some cases, in some cases you do, but in some cases, in many cases, nobody knew who was painting these things. Just, just studio artists, you know, grunts people who were grinding out a check. Yeah. And to me, it's just a, it's a, it's a real shame, you know, because these people had had no idea just how, how, how much their artwork meant to people. You know, I had, I have a feeling that, you know, there were just, it was just another gig for them, you know, th just like, you know, break it out, make get it done and move on to the next thing I got. I ask you a music question, Kirk, you said anybody who plays or listens to heavy metal music understands horror films because it's the same shade of dark and light. Yeah. It's the same, same elements. It's the same group of emotions, you know, same sort of emotional dynamics, you know, it's, it's, it's the building of, of tension and releasing it. It's the, you know, it's the energy that, that, that that's, that, that you feel that's maybe at the same sort of a pulse as a racing heart, When you went into audition for Metallica, the BA the bass player was reading a Lovecraft story and you send you, you had an instant connection. You said these guys I'm simpatico with this guy. Yeah. I remember when I flew out to audition for Metallica, I remember arriving, you know, shaking hands with the guys, going into the room and playing music for two or three hours, and then coming out, going, wow, that was kind of a mind book. And I instantly said, Hey, I have that book. I know that game called Q2. And he looked at me and said, Hey, yeah, HP Lovecraft man. And I said, yeah, I know HP glove craft. I love him. He goes, I go to, and then he said, I said, I love zombies. And I said, I ate two whole day near the living dead Dawn of the dead day of the dead, sort of like a tribute. And I knew I had found a kindred soul. I knew you belonged with that group. Yeah. That's, that's, that's a great story. I got just one more question about Metallica. This is from my sister, my sister-in-law's boyfriend begged me to ask this. Can you recall? He loves and justice for all. This is from Brendan brown. Can you recall any of the thought process? And this is you. I, this is a tough, probably something that needs a long answer, but maybe you can give me a short one, any of the thought process that led, that led to the sound, the special sounds on injustice for all. Cause the record redefined metal recording in his opinion, Special in quotation marks. You know, it's really funny because we were recording that album James or the guitar player went for a very unique sort of, of, of guitar sound and, you know, Lars wanted his drums to sound like very dry and upfront as well. And you know, those two unique sounds put together, created a sort of tonal palette where that when you added more bass frequencies, it just kind of muddied up the, the, the mix. And so as a result of that, you can't really hear our bass player very much, you know, as that album turned out the way it turned out, you know, we, we, we thought we made a really kind of like, you know, unique and different album. That sounded nothing like the previous, you know, our previous three albums and, you know, unbeknownst to us, you know, I guess that, that people have used the sound of that album as a template for their own albums. And I didn't even realize this until someone brought it up to my attention 10 or 15 years ago. You know, we just thought that we just looked at it as kind of like a sauna Sonic experiment to try for one album, you know, but it wasn't anything that we were going to hang our hats on for the next, you know, two or three decades was more a kind of like a place where our heads are at sonically. And as a result of it, a lot of people really liked the way that album sounds. You know, I, in retrospect, I admire, you know, I admire our audacity that trains something so different, but you know, our next album kind of filled in for what we were missing from injustice for all. And so I'll just put it, I'll just put it that way. But yeah, but you know, a lot of, like I said, a lot of people really, really are attracted to the sound of that album and it there's, there's nothing really, it's not a warm sounding album it's really upfront and in your face and it's hard to get away from when you listen to it loud, He's gonna love that answer. He's gonna love that answer. And I have to say, answer Sandman is, is a, is a piece of work that, that sounds very much like it was written by people who embrace horror to wonder who understand it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or let's just say the darker side of life. Yes. Yeah. It's very, it's more, more inclusive. Very, very much. So. He'll you want to ask him about Twite Frye Who died Young on a bus? Yeah, I think, and I, a bus On a bus, he had a heart attack. I think they had it listed in the paper as toolmaker Dwight for high. They didn't even have him like as an actor. And he was so funny. He started out big go like Frankenstein, bride of Frankenstein, Dracula. And then he started just popping up, like in the horror sequels. Like, he'd be like one of the villagers. Yeah. Yeah. So like an extra or something. It's a strange short career he had. And I heard he was supposed to be a very skilled song and dance, man. I didn't know that. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. I heard that he came out of theater in Broadway. I got to Look that up. He did that whole, whole, whole circuit and then, and then became an actor. But yeah, you're right. I mean, when I think about fry, I can't really think about, I can't really think of any movies past like 19 36, 19 37 that he was in. Oh, maybe it wasn't even like some monogram stuff. Maybe like the vampire bat or Some may have. Yeah. I can't picture breaking into song. Oh. But I have to say, you know, he worked for me. He was a large part of that movie, Dracula. I mean, his portrayal of Renfield was brilliant. And you know, the scene I'm talking about when he is discovered on the ship and he's glaring. Absolutely brilliant. All right, Kirk, and the, and the time we have left, we're going to give you one wild card. These are fees of three movies we've talked about on the show on this show, and we'd love you to comment about them. And you could pick one or, or comment on all three, the Tingler freaks or island of lost souls. How about all three? Okay. Okay. So I, I remember when I first saw the Tingler on, on television and I was just so disappointed that I wasn't seeing it in a movie theater with that tingling sensation. Cause I'd read all about it. Oh, monsters. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, and, and when I actually had seen it, you know, I was just like, I was just thinking, wow, I wish I would have been in the theater and actually that experienced it the way that they, you know, the makers wanted the viewer to experience it. But you know, what's interesting about the Tingler is they mentioned LSD in it lysergic that's correct. Yes. Yep. And by the way, by the way, Bob burns was one of those guys wiring those seats. Oh wow. He told us they were, they were airplane motors, the things that made the, made the chairs vibrate. Wow. Amazing. And so, yeah, you know, they're, they're talking about LSD, so I'm just wanting, could it be like, you know, some weird, like no MK ultra, you know, propaganda sort of like weird kind of like drug CA FBI thing that was connected to this movie. Probably not. And of course the greatest scene they're in a movie theater and the picture goes house and Vincent Price, frantically and poems, Jody, and scream for your ladies, youth in the deep dream veer laves and then it immediately goes to, we now resumed Murphy's Gender here, a better Vincent Price than that perk. That's that's really good. That's really great. Real quick. Give us something on island of lost souls, which Gilbert loves. Well. Yeah. I love when, when Bella go sees a screening about the house of pain and are we not men? Yes. And you know, it's creepy whenever he screams, are we at not men these days? I want to scream back. No, we are Divo. Yeah, that's right. They co-opted that yay their house. Hey, Hey, Mae does in their house, shove pain, not the men not be things. Wow. That's, that's really, really great. You have a dam. Yeah. And you know, I really believe again, you know, the ghost, he steals that full heat from yeah. He knows. And what these, the law now that is the law. And, and I heard that, ah, I think Charles Laughton based his performance of the med doctor on his tendons. I've heard that. Yeah. That's really, wow. I'm glad that that dentist is probably not around anymore. Yeah. Well, yeah. What you give us one, one comment or one insight on freaks. Well, you know that when one of the last scenes, when, when there, when all the freaks are out and it's raining and fear is, is, is doing, is hobble. You know, that's the guy without the arms and legs. He's hobbling from side to side, with a razor in his mouth. Oh my God. That was just like the ultimate for me. I was ahead of its time. I want you to think, oh yeah, the audiences weren't ready for that subject matter. And I remember, I, yeah, that was one of the movies I picked when I was home with Robert Osborne. That's right. And it, it's one of those movies where even if there's not a scary thing happening, you're still a little scared. It has you on edge the whole time. Absolutely. Yeah. And I was just in constant Marvel, anytime any of the freak characters came on screen. I mean, it's just like, you know, I was just like just blown away by the fact that they get those. Those are, those are real people and they're not even acting, Oh, the, the ending number one, they make the woman into a half chicken. Yeah. And I heard that was a chicken suit that Lon Chaney Sr built. Wow. He was planning a movie, good trivia. And in the, what they cut out of the movie was that the strong man at the end is singing soprano. So it that the freaks cash graded. Wow. Wow. I wonder if that, that footage still Exists. It might. That, that, to me, I was glad they didn't keep that in because I want the fridge to be a little sympathetic a little bit. And if they cut a guy's Dick off, I can't really root for him. That's crossing a line for you. We'll tell our listeners to check out the black cat white zombie freaks and an island of lost souls. If they haven't by now 200, 200 out, of course, the Wolf man, 200 episodes. And by the way, he does a great Maria Ben Scott, And you can't forget the thing with two heads Transplant, Maria spun sky. I was the only kid who could imitate Listen to this curve. Yes, She was. She was amazing by the way. moment. My son, Wow. I wish our listeners could see the look on Kirk's face. I'm just thinking, you know, if I would've known you Gilbert as a kid, I, you know, I think we would have probably been inseparable. Did you, did you really want to know another kid who was doing Maria was spent sky impression? Well, I would just, let me just go on to say that, you know, I, as a kid and I I'm, I'm sure they can. All his horror fans could relate. I spent so much time imitating Frankenstein, the mummy Dracula Wolf, man, you know, who didn't get the, get the A's bandages and start wrapping their heads, you know, Dragging your foot behind you. Yeah. Yeah. It's so, I mean, I just, yeah. Oh, I wish you guys had each other as kids, but that's one of the great things about this show. Kirk, is that we get to meet the other monster kids. We get to identify them and bring them in. So anything to plug what's coming up, you guys are on tour. Well, I just want to say that I left out something about, you know, the black cat costume is that once I finally did, did acquire it, the first thing I did was put it on and it actually fit me wow. Around the house for like an hour, just pretending I was Boris Karloff in the black cat. So that's Fantastic. How did it fit? It actually fit me crazy because you know, I, I I've, I'm, I'm five, seven. I know Karloff was like maybe 5, 10, 5 11. But I, you know, I always knew that he was a slim guy too. And so, you know, I was able to like put it on and walk around without, you know, busting any seams or anything like that. So, So if we, if we make a pilgrimage out to the house, you're going to let Gilbert try on the, the, the Karloff costume for the black hat. I'll break out the tape measure, measures waste really quick. Well, let me for there. Let me plug the books of the too much horror business, which is fantastic. You will lose a days looking at it. It's on Amazon. And also it's in bookstores, please. Patronize bookstores. Also it's alive, which we have here, classic horror and sci-fi movie posters from the Kirk Hammett collection, which Gilbert is absolutely fascinated by. And I'm going to let him take it home and play with it. And what's going your pardon? What? I usually go home and play With it. What, what what's going on with the, with touring the exhibit and, and, and your yearly festival and anything else you want to put out there? Well, the, the, the collection just finished a really great run at the Peabody Essex museum in Salem. And that's wrapped up now and we're getting ready to do another show on the east coast. When we finalize everything, then I can actually tell you what, where it's going to be, but it is going to be on the east coast. And then it's, it's gonna go to a few other, other museums. And, and, and so we have a pretty busy schedule as far as the museum exhibits and the collection are concerned, or it's going to run till like 2020. And this is like three or four different places. So hopefully you'll come to a place close to you guys because it will be on the east east. We got to get there. We got to go see those goggles paintings in, in, in person One day, I'll have to show you my Lon, Chaney Jr. On our graph. Oh, totally would love to see that. And you know, just get together and like do some IM imitations and an impression In all your, all your, all your travels, Kirk. And you've been pursuing this a long time. Did you ever meet anybody who did Maria, who spent sky? It is a first, I have a friend on the east coast who does a pretty, a pretty good, you know, Igor. I asked him to do Elena vertigo, but he wouldn't do it. That's funny. You don't even do it that, so, So, so Hey Elena vertigo guys, come on. Who is she? Oh, she was in the Wolf, man. She just died. She died last year. Wasn't she? And house of Frankenstein. Exactly. And Jake, Carol Nash is in love with her. Yes, she was in the lane of her. Dugo was also Marcus Wellby's nurse, Marcus Welby MD. So sell Coffee. I don't Know about that. She was in those coffee Numbers that might've been Mrs. Olson, But her family at one point, her family owned like half of a half of a, of the land at universal studios is on wow. Way, way back in the day, her family was, I guess they had a huge ranch in that area When you're this way, either with the band or, or by yourself, you know, we'll do another one of these. We, we can talk about Val Lewton would love to, we didn't get into the black sleep and we could just, we could do a six hour show with you because you're one of those guys. I love the black sleep, by the way. And again, now John Carradine, I thought it was just such a great, great actor. You know, he could play anything. And he was so convincing and tours In that one, right towards, I've never seen it shame on me. I gotta, I got to catch up with the black sleep. And when you watch Carradine, you, each time I watch him, I go see that it was funny because both Carradine and Chaney Jr. Were both in night and yes, Lon Chaney Jr. Seemed like a miserable, drunk, a depressed, angry, drunk. Whereas Carradine seems like the happiest strong on the planet. Like you've seen blasted most of the time. He's got a body of work, that guy. Oh my God. When you saw him later on, you know, he did a lot of cameos and like the seventies and whatnot, he always seemed like he was so happy to be in that, in those CA and cameo positions. I think he's in, is it the howling or maybe? Yes. Isn't the house. He's great in the howling because he looks like he's playing himself. He's the only one. And I couldn't believe they didn't have the rest of them. They're like Janie and Karloff. He's the only one of the horror stars. Who, who pops up in the Munsters? Yes. He's Mr. Gatesman the head of the funeral director. Yeah, he was, he was Herman Munster's boss. That's right. That's right. Yeah. And for a second, he's in brighter Frankenstein. Yes. He was one of the hunters that, that, that was a monster with a hermit Lincoln. You're missing. We could do seven hours talking to you about this stuff. Kirk. It's fun. I hope you had fun. Well, let's get considers this, you know, episode one. Absolutely Absolute. Absolutely. No. One's going to plug the book one last time. K it's it's alive classic car Saifai movie posters from the Kirk Hamot collection. It Is absorbing. And they're just great to see those, those Posters. And now I guess I do the wrap up. You Do the wrap up. Well, let's just Gilbert Godfrey and this has been Gilbert. God preach amazing colossal podcast with my co-host Frank Santopadre. And we've been talking to a guy who is a member of Metallica, but much more important. He's old monster movie free. Her Timing hurt. Do you know a book called heavy metal Movies, heavy metal movies. You have to book your leg. We're going to send it's written by one of our, one of our staffers. Mike McFadden. We're going to send you a copy. You'll love it. Oh no, thank you so Much. It sounds like I Will. It's something right up your alley. And this was fun. Our listeners have been saying, get her cabinet. We got you. And we're happy we did. Okay, great. Yeah. I'm really, really glad that I had this chance to like, sit in, talk to you two fine gentlemen, about what means the most in life. You know, I hope that we can take it up again and you know, maybe we'll we'll solve the Earth's problems with our conversation, our next conference. Well, let us know when you're this way and we'll call it part one. Definitely. Thanks, Kirk. Thank you. All right. Thank you guys. Thank you so much. We'll see ya. You forgot feeds. Amazing. Colossal podcast is produced by Derek Godfried and Frank Santopadre with audio production by Frankfurter Rossa, web and social media is handled by Mike Lee Patton, Greg pear and John Bradley seals. Special audio contributions by John Beech. Special. Thanks to Paul assistance. Hi, dear judge Gilbert, God, Braden, would you like a personalized video? Shout out from me Gilbert Godfrey. And of course you would. 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