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an advocate for healthy eating without

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2:54

culture. What began as

2:56

sharing videos of delicious recipes from

2:58

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3:00

her being named Britain's most well -known

3:03

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3:05

she is here to talk all

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things nutrition and skin health.

3:09

It's Emily English, aka Em nutritionist. While

3:13

we have this chat, whenever the English take

3:15

one. Isn't it so

3:17

official? I I love aboard. It's very like we're let's

3:19

go. Yeah that we didn't steal from Warner

3:22

Brothers. Okay so to be completely clear. Emily

3:24

English how are you? I'm very well.

3:26

Thank you. How are you? Good. Well you've

3:28

Well, you've got the Fresh Off Honeymoon Glow. Do

3:30

I? Yeah Fresh Off Honeymoon Glow and Best

3:32

Seller Sunday Times Glow. I mean I'm surprised

3:34

it stuck around for the of much going on. No just a

3:36

lot. no, just a lot. It's

3:39

happened quickly, right? So quickly. Like people are like

3:41

when people say, oh don't know I didn't know had a

3:43

book, and I've like well I well. wrote book years ago

3:45

I've been in the industry for 20 years

3:47

and and I blogging in 2010 but your success

3:49

has been as in I'm

3:51

talking online you know, profile,

3:53

like a year and a a half? Year and a

3:55

a half. And it just went exponential. There There

3:58

was just one moment that I'm... I

4:00

probably, just when I broke the 10

4:02

,000 follower mark, it started to creep up

4:04

and up and up and up, and

4:06

then once I hit hit 100K, it

4:08

just flew. Because I feel like with food, it's

4:10

one of those things that people really

4:12

organically share. So So people will go my profile they

4:14

something and they'll naturally share on their stories.

4:16

And I think it's just that they see

4:18

it another person it, they share with that person,

4:20

they share it their friend, they cook it And

4:22

it's the rest is history. Where

4:24

was the moment when you thought, thought, this might

4:26

be a career as in in you're

4:29

already doing it. but a different

4:31

journey. I I, one summer

4:33

I did this recipe which

4:36

was my ultimate Greek with garlic

4:39

bread, of croutons or like

4:41

a garlic bread side thing. I think

4:43

that was the first video that got

4:45

around 50 ,000 views. I think I

4:47

probably had 2 ,000 followers at the time and

4:49

I was And this is Instagram. This is on Instagram.

4:51

Instagram has always been like main platform, Which

4:54

surprising because everyone used to say I'm

4:56

not growing on Instagram. Instagram is the place

4:58

that we don't really see growth. But

5:00

your videos are perfect for Instagram. Yeah, they

5:02

just love them. Is what they're for. Yeah, it's

5:04

like the sweet spot. So So was

5:06

once I did that, then it

5:08

carried on gaining a tradition And

5:10

I just kept of pumping the out.

5:13

And people keep saying that. Where they come

5:15

from? Okay, I literally, I'm obsessed

5:17

with cookbooks. My brother's here and he'll tell

5:19

you, I had to move them off the

5:21

old in the kitchen because it was breaking

5:23

under the weight. And we had

5:25

built, so I love cookbooks. I've got

5:27

them from the sixties and the seventies, my mum's old

5:29

ones, but I very rarely cook

5:32

from them. I well, that's nice idea.

5:35

then I'll go, I'll just get that chicken from

5:37

M M&S. Longer than best. So,

5:40

are they just in your head? Do you

5:42

just have such an understanding of food that you

5:44

know what's going to go with what? If

5:47

people ask me what is your natural

5:49

gift that you were born with, it's

5:51

writing recipes in my brain. So I

5:53

can taste what a recipe is gonna

5:55

be like in my head before ever even

5:57

made it. Since how old? Do

6:00

you know what? It's that such a, no one's ever

6:02

asked me that question before. There

6:04

go. Every time we

6:06

get those, I'm like. But I

6:08

think it's with everything, Like I I'm a

6:10

sponge when it comes to knowledge. And

6:12

I've always loved learning. Like I've been fascinated

6:14

with. We're your swap school. Not

6:16

necessarily a swap, but like obsessed with science

6:19

and the body and how things worked. And

6:21

if I had a question in my mind

6:23

that I didn't know an answer for,

6:25

I would go and find that answer. And

6:27

I feel like with food in the

6:29

world of nutrition and cooking, I feel like I'm

6:31

a hybrid between both a chef and a

6:33

nutritionist. I wouldn't say that I like or

6:35

the other. I think when it comes

6:37

to like my recipe inspiration, it now comes from

6:39

a place of like a pain point

6:41

or a problem solving or do I want to

6:43

eat? And I don't have enough time

6:45

and what can I prep and actually eat

6:47

on a train that's not going to

6:49

offend someone that isn't like an egg pot? No,

6:51

lot. No. I know egg pots I a

6:53

lot. say, well, think, oh, I'll do an egg

6:55

pot. That's a good protein. then you open

6:58

it and go, pfft. Oh, yeah, heavy. So, so good.

7:00

I mean, you've sold a few copies. Just

7:02

a few. Yeah. How

7:04

was this? Because you've previously

7:06

done, you've done sort of

7:08

PDFs and you, you know, there's a lot of

7:11

content online. How was it putting it

7:13

all on a page like this? Do you know

7:15

what's easy? Like I you Are you

7:17

my nerves now? sorry. sorry. No, sort I'm No, I'm

7:19

not. I'm I'm sorry. Like I

7:21

the most amazing publishing team who wonderful.

7:23

Like the photography it is beautiful. My

7:25

food side is incredible. But I think

7:27

as I I already such an

7:29

incredible bank of of content I'm

7:31

very lucky that I can

7:33

basically recipe all my recipes

7:35

through my followers. So see which

7:37

recipes hit with people. I see which

7:40

recipes resonate. then that's where I know, oh,

7:42

this is a really I thing. think thing to to into

7:44

book. And think that's why I've grown so

7:46

quickly and people love my food because

7:48

it's relatable, it's accessible. You said you had

7:50

so many cookbooks that you don't use. I

7:52

said I want this to be a cookbook

7:54

that sits on people's shelves and is covered

7:56

in food. Like, money when you open a page

7:59

it's like, because everyone cooks. from it every

8:01

day and people do. The one I have

8:03

got that is dogged is How to Eat. I,

8:05

that has always been the

8:07

most inspirational book. And it's autographed. I

8:09

know. I'm dying to meet her.

8:11

She is, I I say is like my current favorite.

8:14

Do a podcast, she'll be your first guest, done.

8:16

No, she's a legend. Yeah. When it

8:18

comes to food. Yeah. mikrawave, I mean,

8:20

come on. woman knows what she's

8:22

doing. Social genius. She knows exactly what she's doing.

8:24

Love it. She knows that the minute she

8:26

starts talking to the camera, she is

8:28

seducing my husband. Have you made the chocolate

8:30

cake from book? No. Ever like,

8:32

that was my job as a

8:34

a young girl when I was about eight or nine years

8:36

old and we had a birthday and my mum was like,

8:38

and go get Nigella's book and make chocolate

8:40

cake. So iconic, do but we you know you birthday

8:42

know what mean? was I feel like with food

8:44

it has such an emotional connection to it.

8:46

it. And it's such a it's such a moment in

8:49

time and in life. And I think

8:51

of food and I will go straight back

8:53

to the moment of me eating that.

8:55

And that's one thing I always feel like

8:57

nutrition lost. It that level of

8:59

emotional identity because I feel like people they

9:01

dieted or to eat healthy, they everything that

9:03

they they knew wanted to do about food

9:05

the bin. Yeah. And- was all lettuce. It

9:07

was all lettuce and it was all

9:09

restriction and diet culture. I wanted to

9:11

break the mold with that. I

9:13

wanted to create the food you want

9:15

to eat designed by a nutritionist that

9:17

makes people happy. They're excited to eat.

9:19

They look forward to eating, but

9:21

also their body loves and makes feel good too.

9:23

I mean, every time you open

9:25

a page and that, you're like, that looks

9:27

good. There's nothing like, oh, that looks

9:29

healthy. It looks so good. It looks

9:31

good. But I like that good. Is body

9:33

that the name? I I I should

9:35

have picked that up. So that actually

9:37

came through all of my videos.

9:39

I always used to sign off with,

9:41

oh, so good. Because it was that expression

9:43

No, but It's like when when think of

9:45

like my business strategy and making sure

9:47

that I stick around for as

9:49

long as possible, I think it's really

9:52

important to have those identifiable catchphrases. And

9:54

good ended up just becoming mine organically and naturally.

9:56

Where did being a nutritionist come from? So...

10:00

a bit of a buff at school when

10:02

it came to the sciences, biology and

10:04

chemistry obsessed, never Biology, yes, yes, chemistry, no.

10:06

No, no, I loved it, I loved it. Especially

10:08

organic chemistry, because that so much of biology. but no

10:10

idea what you're talking about. at the same time,

10:12

it made it just as confusing. What's the difference

10:14

between organic chemistry and chemistry? Organic

10:17

chemistry is, of course, very good question.

10:20

Organic chemistry is the side of things that

10:22

I like a little bit more that explains

10:24

the kind of molecular and chemical

10:26

structure and how how different

10:28

things react with each other. Okay.

10:30

more of a... real-life,

10:32

natural setting. So it explain a little

10:35

bit about like how the body

10:37

would respond or how the

10:39

body would work. It's very- Right. It's hard

10:41

to- Whereas chemistry chemistry. Yeah, yeah.

10:44

But But chemistry was my favorite it kind of of

10:46

a bit more into the biology side of things.

10:48

So So if you asked me at school. would

10:51

you want to become a nutritionist? I would laugh and

10:53

be like, well, it's not a proper job and what do

10:55

I do? Just tell people to lose weight. Everything

10:58

nutrition was always linked Lose weight.

11:00

Lose 15 in in five days like holiday

11:02

diet get bikini ready, this stuff like

11:05

nutrition wasn't about nourishment. No. you know,

11:07

you know, can blame blame and Gen X

11:09

that Yeah, that one. Not to interrupt, but

11:11

it is my generation my mum's generation

11:13

Slim fast. When did the

11:15

with Grey Stent, she said I

11:18

you know, I food and food and she said, well, I'm a a Gen X, so

11:20

I've basically been on a diet for 35 years, and

11:22

that's the language. The language is, you know, is,

11:24

don't eat that. it's full of calories, of I mean, I

11:26

that's the language I was raised with, all with

11:28

good intentions. But of course now,

11:31

we would never, I never, ever to Ava like

11:33

that. She's never heard me mention my weight,

11:35

nothing. You know, I've never said to her, don't eat that, babe.

11:37

You know. Ever. And

11:39

so I think that's a, we take responsibility

11:41

for that. It's the Boomers passed it to Gen

11:43

and hopefully the Gen are breaking the cycle

11:45

with their kids. kids. Yeah, And I think

11:47

going off on a tangent there, we're now seeing

11:49

that come to play when comes to

11:52

the perimenopause, menopause, health of women and hormonal

11:54

health of women as a consequence of

11:56

that. I have never been as unhealthy

11:58

as I was. when I was perimenopausal. Yeah,

12:00

I weigh less now. I'm fitter now. I'm healthier

12:02

now than I was 10 years. years ago,

12:04

I'm 55 because educated now. and bless them even then my

12:06

husband never mentioned my weight. You never went, you're right there love My

12:08

mother did of course, you know. Do you need those Pringles?

12:10

I was like, i'm going to use the tin around your

12:12

head if you say that again. But I

12:14

didn't know what I was doing. I I was

12:16

just eating white food. Now I can see wasn't

12:18

depressed in that way that the word gets

12:21

overused, but I was definitely just flat lined. And

12:23

obviously now I know that that was being being

12:25

fed. no pun intended by what

12:27

I was eating, how I wasn't working out My

12:29

hormones were crashing all over the place. So

12:31

So fact that you're around because

12:33

used to be be me, nutritionists on Instagram

12:35

have always been a being frank american

12:38

Californian wealthy white blonde girl privilege, you

12:40

know? yeah, but you,

12:42

although you can tick some of those boxes, you

12:45

are qualified, you don't

12:47

speak wank. I'm sorry, let's just put it out there. No,

12:50

thank you, I myself on that. you know,

12:52

and you are relatable, the food

12:54

is doable it's not extortionately expensive.

12:56

don't say, go to erwin. they've got

12:58

a new shake it's $30 dollars you're

13:00

like, shut up, no one can

13:02

do that, Yeah, you know? So

13:05

you for at least being - the non-wanky

13:07

nutritionist The non -wanky, Evan the non -wanky

13:09

nutritionist. There you go, you that's That's gonna go

13:11

back back to, sorry, But was just

13:13

important to sort of take the responsibility,

13:16

because I do i'm very aware that gen

13:18

x my generation, obsessed with

13:20

food, it's always in our ears, Yeah, always

13:22

we were raised that way. And

13:24

I think I was exposed to that

13:26

when I was at school, but

13:28

basically what happened is ended up getting

13:30

scouted to model so the age

13:32

of 17, I went into the

13:34

fashion industry and I was I was not thick

13:36

skinned. I was not cut out for

13:38

it. I could not take criticism.

13:41

And the day that my modeling industry

13:43

turned to me and said, basically we

13:45

need you to lose weight. thighs are shooting too big.

13:48

That was like a switch went off in my

13:50

head. And I remember

13:52

going home, refusing to eat. My

13:54

my family around the dinner

13:56

table, opening up like computer and

13:58

googling how to do. weigh off your thighs quickly.

14:01

And you're 17. 17. And do you

14:03

know what, do know it's horrible I

14:05

still have my Nike app. I

14:08

had the day that went on my

14:10

first Nike app run it

14:12

and that's the day that I came

14:14

home from the agency and I remember

14:16

movement became punishment and about shrinking

14:18

myself I used to

14:20

weigh every single spinach leaf on

14:22

my fitness pal. God. I was a problem

14:24

solver so I instantly my body became became

14:26

a mass equation. my body was like, okay, how

14:28

to lose weight, I'm going as little as

14:30

possible fear all calories and I'm gonna move

14:32

as much as possible burn as

14:35

much so I ended up depleting

14:37

myself I lost everything and I

14:39

loved food, but I food our family

14:41

life revolved around food My granny was a

14:43

chef my first job was in

14:45

her kitchen Even when I was at

14:47

you know I was at school

14:50

McDonald's sweet chicken wrap every lunchtime when we were in

14:52

sixth form, because were to leave the school to

14:54

go and grab lunch and it was like

14:56

the highlight of my day And I just

14:58

ate with freedom and I look back

15:00

now I get so angry because I

15:02

was just a young healthy girl And

15:04

it's like of course

15:07

I can I can say I I

15:09

have had thicker skin but there's also

15:11

a level of responsibility that I think you need

15:13

to have not telling you shouldn't need skin when you're 17.

15:15

You don't to lose weight on your thighs

15:17

and I was tiny Like I'm I tiny

15:19

but basically I ended up I

15:22

had this like breakdown one day when

15:24

my mom made me me a cheese roll

15:26

brown cheese roll with a slice of

15:28

tomato and everyone's plate was laid down everyone I

15:30

picked them up take them into the

15:32

garden And she made me one like and

15:34

that was her first challenge to me

15:36

in the like the depths of my eating disorder like eat

15:38

the roll. remember staring at the

15:41

roll on the kitchen side. my

15:43

mom came into the kitchen she like Emily,

15:45

please, please you can you just come and the

15:47

roll come and with us must be heartbreaking

15:49

for your parents I broke couldn't physically eat

15:51

that cheese roll and it was that deciding moment

15:53

I was just looking at everyone else

15:55

outside like one of five. So there's a lot

15:57

of us And I I was like

15:59

Why can't I eat the cheese roll? So I

16:02

ended up like stopping my modeling.

16:04

I pulled myself out of

16:06

there. I saw the most

16:08

amazing therapist Jane saved my life

16:10

and and ended up kind of,

16:13

it it to the point where I

16:15

had to, I'd skipped years of uni or

16:17

go, Um, I went back to UCAS

16:19

I applied and I was like, do do you

16:21

know what, I'm going to to go study nutrition because

16:24

I want answers to

16:26

everything that I I

16:29

thought knew about health and nutrition

16:31

is making me sick. Yeah. And

16:33

I went to King's. I got a

16:35

fantastic degree with of the like

16:37

the best nutrition experts in the

16:39

country. and came

16:41

out of it, worked a few rogue jobs I

16:43

think as we all do when we first leave university and

16:46

then found my path to hit. Wow.

16:48

mean, how did your react when you gave up up

16:50

modeling? just to go back for a second? I

16:52

was Cause as you know, cause you

16:55

said, hi, Carol, to meet you, I'm obsessed with Ava.

16:57

great. Yeah. But if she

16:59

was modeling and came home and said, I I can't eat

17:01

that, I need to lose weight. I would lose my shit,

17:03

I would make her leave. I would I would made her leave. As

17:06

much as you say you have control over a

17:08

teenage girl, obviously must have been hard. So I'm

17:10

one of five my mum

17:12

had my younger brother's and when I

17:14

was eight old so she had three kids

17:16

under the age of three when I was

17:18

eight Wow. I was automatically

17:20

very hyperdependent and

17:24

remember I used to be the one who

17:26

one who supported and I

17:28

helped and I I

17:30

didn't really and I still struggle to

17:32

kind of like openly talk about my

17:34

emotions or lean on people for help

17:36

because I'm fine by myself And I

17:39

wouldn't say that I necessarily had

17:42

as close a mum or daughter relationship as probably that have

17:44

And my mum is the most incredible mum. She

17:46

was born to be a mum. but

17:48

she's the kindest, most beautiful person ever.

17:51

I think she felt so

17:53

lost because I'd always been fine.

17:57

She's fine. And then the moment I

17:59

came to sex, she was like. But what do you mean

18:01

you can't sit around and take table her? she's got she's

18:03

got a lot on with the whole rest of the

18:05

family. So weirdly, it was one of those

18:07

things that drove me to every single therapy session

18:10

She outside and waited single time. She took me

18:12

to every single doctor's appointment She was there

18:14

in the way that she

18:16

to figure it out to be there. and

18:18

now she looks after like

18:20

like my younger sister, obviously like a 10

18:22

year gap between us She's much more

18:25

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a whole different world So,

20:01

one thing that shocked me about my nutrition

20:03

degree is so many nutritionists do not know how

20:05

to cook. I'm a cook at heart. Like,

20:07

I love food. The thing you said when I

20:09

was quite scared, you went, do you cook?

20:11

And I thought, is this what it's like when

20:13

I say to people, do you wash your

20:15

face? You literally went, oh, do you cook? And

20:17

I was like, oh, God, what do I

20:19

say? I have a I lot of cookbooks. Do

20:21

it. So that's such a funny comparison. Because if

20:23

you asked me about like, oh, what do

20:25

you do for your skin? I'm like, is she

20:27

going to judge? We're going to have that

20:29

conversation. So brace yourself. Right. I'm going to flip

20:31

it back on you. It's

20:34

one of those things that people always

20:36

think that as a nutritionist, I'm there to

20:38

judge. And I'm so sick and tired

20:41

of the health and wellness industry in the

20:43

space, being so judgmental and hyper -opinionated. Like,

20:45

we are slapped around the face with

20:47

every single, don't do this, do this, this

20:49

is toxic, this is bad for you.

20:51

And sometimes I'm just a bit like, can

20:53

everyone just calm down? It's your life.

20:55

You get to choose how you live it.

20:57

There is not a one -size -fits -all approach

20:59

when it comes to nutrition and food.

21:02

And it's unique. Explore it. There's

21:04

not a set structure that if you

21:06

just do that, you're going to be healthy

21:08

and happy forever because, I mean, your

21:10

gut microbiome is more than unique than your

21:12

fingerprint. And your gut microbiome determines so

21:15

much of how you respond in your health.

21:17

So how on earth do you take

21:19

a blanket approach to every single person? It

21:21

is quite, I mean, annoying is probably

21:23

a good word. How do you go from

21:25

graduating to being, what, 1 .6 mil on

21:27

Instagram and, you know, number one bestseller

21:29

for weeks on end? So that was an

21:31

interesting one. So when I first graduated,

21:34

I actually worked a little bit in the

21:36

hospitality industry. I worked in I should all

21:38

do that. I think it should be

21:40

mandatory. 100%. Mandatory. And there is nothing that

21:42

gives me the ick more when I

21:44

go to go out with someone who doesn't

21:46

understand how the hospitality industry works and

21:48

everything. I'm like, do you have any idea?

21:50

you have any idea? no idea. Yeah.

21:53

Or they don't tip. It's

21:55

no ick. Pure ick. Big ick. So

21:57

luckily I don't really. have many friends who

22:00

are who are rude in that sense

22:02

but I did a little stint in the

22:04

hospitality industry and then I got my

22:06

first proper job with a DNA testing company

22:08

so a nutrition DNA testing company who

22:10

we used to think that DNA was going

22:12

to be wow, as soon as we

22:14

need like profile everyone and we work out

22:16

the unique like snips is what we'd

22:18

call them um we'd understand why we have

22:20

the issues that we have in the

22:22

world turns out it's not due to DNA

22:24

um And I ended up kind of

22:26

being a little bit unhappy in that job

22:28

and I thought you know I can

22:30

do this myself. I can set up

22:32

my own business and I backed myself.

22:34

I myself. believed in what I had to

22:36

do. And And I remember I went

22:38

to Squarespace. I set up a website.

22:40

I ran Google Ads to find clients

22:42

and I made sure that I was

22:45

the cheapest nutritionist in the area. And

22:47

I started doing video calls and it

22:49

was just the time that COVID happened.

22:51

Wow. So I just my job. timing.

22:53

Perfect timing. Because everyone was then at

22:55

home wanting to think about their health

22:57

and thinking, wow, I live such a

22:59

terrible lifestyle, So I I time to

23:01

cook and the space to cook. So

23:03

I started getting my first little client

23:05

base in my clinic and I used

23:08

to specialize in kind of hyper, because

23:10

I obviously was so small, I could

23:12

do it. Hyper personalized meal plans for

23:14

for everyone, whether it came to gut

23:16

health, weight loss, kind

23:18

of menopause, family -style cooking. I used to

23:20

write the recipes for my clients based

23:23

on what they wanted to achieve with their

23:25

goals but also based on their love

23:27

and my love of food. And I would

23:29

get the feedback from the clients being like,

23:31

oh my God, that lasagna, I can't believe it

23:33

had like seven different veggies and it was

23:35

like the best lasagna we've ever made. And it's

23:37

like high in protein, high in fiber, perfectly

23:39

balanced. I knew what they needed from a science

23:41

point of view. But I also knew what

23:44

they needed from a satiety point of view when

23:46

it came to like what they wanted to

23:48

eat. And I didn't really have social media at

23:50

the time. It wasn't something like ever since

23:52

the modeling industry, I I pretty much stayed off

23:54

social media. I knew I knew it wasn't

23:56

a good place to me. And so

23:58

I launched my clinic. page, started

24:01

posting recipes and then reels became

24:03

a thing And posted my first

24:05

video recipes. And they were if

24:07

you scroll back to like my day recipes, you

24:09

would laugh because I used to hang

24:11

my phone on the edge of like

24:13

kitchen cabinets. so We've all door used to be

24:15

open. We've all been there. Yeah, you're

24:17

like hodgepodge, studio, yeah. everything and,

24:19

and just grown and people love

24:22

it, they love my food. I

24:24

love feeding people. So it's the

24:26

best of both. Okay, so we're obviously going to become best mates and You're going

24:28

to cook for me. me. Before we we on

24:30

to skincare, let's do some food

24:33

things. So is so much, I know

24:35

that you're, you the nutritional clickbait online. Yeah,

24:37

that kind of thing. there are a

24:39

few people in that. arena that

24:42

I me want to my phone out the window. So

24:44

this is just, is this is there any behind this, or

24:46

is it bullshit, right? Eating 12 to

24:48

16 eggs a day is good for you.

24:50

Oh my God. I

24:54

mean, eggs are very nutritionally dense. Do

24:57

you need to eat 12 eggs a day? No, I'm not

25:00

not going to give you a

25:02

bit of a a smelly farty bottom

25:04

maybe A smelly -farty bottom, I I

25:06

mean that people do have that like slightly

25:08

concern of like too much cholesterol. I'm

25:10

going to say bullshit. Lovely. Oat

25:13

milk is bad for you. Bullshit.

25:16

But context. And what I always

25:18

say is that nothing is intrinsically

25:20

bad for you in the

25:22

context of the 365 days days

25:24

and all the the decisions you make in

25:27

those days. It's like,

25:29

like, know that living in a city with

25:32

with isn't fantastic for us, but what

25:34

we're doing is counteract that. And if you're

25:36

drinking six lattes and drinking two liters

25:38

of Oatly every single day, then probably I

25:40

made myself allergic to oat milk. Did you?

25:42

Because you drank it so much. So

25:45

obviously dieting in the head before

25:47

I got my shit together last

25:49

year I had tried things and I

25:51

switched from dairy to soy from

25:53

soy to oat, right? Because only

25:55

drink tea, I drink decaf tea, and oat the

25:58

water. One

26:00

that doesn't isn't the barista version, just oat

26:02

salt and water. The one. Yeah well

26:04

well, just the one that's plain organic. I always organic and

26:06

I thought doing really well. So I would

26:08

start, and I started having oat milk in my tea. and

26:10

it's actually the think I think it's the most mundane if

26:12

you want anything that tastes similar to dairy know it's not

26:14

particularly it doesn't float to the top and

26:16

all. And I

26:19

didn't even think anything of it and then I developed this cough

26:21

and to bore everyone to death but it went on forever and

26:24

people would I'd be on Instagram people would be messing with

26:26

me going um Caroline I'm a GP, have your cough checked out And it

26:28

just became a thing. I'm like, oh I don't know

26:30

what it is. is I'm allergic to something, but but

26:32

we don't know what it is. And then

26:34

this is the verbatim happened. I went to Ibiza to

26:36

see Gerand Duran my best mate Heather. They

26:39

don't do good tea in Spain. yeah so

26:41

just I just didn't have any. alcohol chocolate. I

26:43

don't drink coffee. So I drank

26:45

water and hot chocolate and alcohol at the time. We

26:47

got back. we were there for three

26:49

days. We got back, I made a brew and I I

26:51

started coughing and I didn't even notice. And she

26:53

went, bud why do you start coughing? And I went, oh my

26:55

god It's the oat milk I

26:58

stopped and the cough went immediately and

27:00

then I googled it and and it's one

27:02

of the 14 biggest allergens with a a WHO I

27:04

had no idea. We can develop like intolerances

27:06

and analogies and they that something that

27:08

can like hit at a a random

27:10

point in life. and I

27:12

think the one thing that I

27:14

want any listener to to is this

27:17

whole kind of milk alternatives

27:19

seed oil things it's

27:22

so it it is what is everyone's

27:24

talking about in the industry I

27:26

don't think that they are, are as

27:28

as this like inflammatory demon like don't think that

27:30

issues that most people are describing are

27:32

down to the splash of oat

27:34

milk that they have in their tea. Unless

27:37

like you and you have an allergy

27:39

you're coughing. and And I drink a

27:41

lot of tea. yeah yeah Avoid dairy if

27:43

you want clear skin. we

27:45

could both answer this. total myth total

27:48

myth long lived dairy It will. it It will.

27:51

suit people who might have a lactase problem.

27:53

My brother was allergic to milk. I

27:55

keep pointing to him as if you can

27:57

all see him, but just in the room

27:59

today. But had a really bad

28:01

milk allergy when he was a a

28:03

baby, ended up in hospital, and his,

28:05

nephew had a lactose problem, my

28:07

youngest had a a lactose problem, that doesn't mean

28:10

they're gonna get acne. It's

28:12

a different thing. So obviously, you

28:14

want to avoid dairy and you

28:16

think it helps, knock yourself

28:19

out, But avoiding dairy is not going

28:21

to miraculously clean up your

28:23

skin. Yeah, especially like high -quality dairy.

28:25

I think dairy quality matters. Yeah. Perimenopause

28:28

symptoms. Now, is the that made me

28:30

think you are an absolute effing

28:32

asshole. not you, my darling. Perimenopause

28:35

symptoms can be reversed by changing your diet

28:37

and lifestyle. This is Eddie. This was last week

28:39

or the week before, and he said, women being

28:41

sold a lie, We're given HRT. All you've

28:43

got to do is change your diet and

28:45

lifestyle, And I, you know, when you go,

28:47

go, talk about, first of all, stay in

28:49

your lane. You're not a menopause expert. Shut

28:52

up. That makes me furious. I

28:54

was raging, but then I went to

28:56

the comments, and what's good is, don't

28:58

with menopause women. No, no. comments, The comments, the

29:00

comments section was, was like, oh, the girls have taken care of

29:02

this, I'm off. I don't even have to get involved. to

29:04

But I did I did repost it and put total

29:07

ass wipe. something along those lines. Bullshit.

29:09

Absolute bullshit. Telling women that it's

29:11

their fault that they're going

29:13

through menopause. I can't even. No. And

29:15

that just negates any reason I

29:17

would consider anything you say to

29:19

be truthful, Yeah. obviously. Obviously. Lovely. Yeah.

29:21

You should only buy organic

29:24

produce. only buy organic produce. What

29:26

a privileged statement

29:28

to make. So people could afford to get

29:30

a a couple of bits organically, what should

29:32

they be? So that you

29:35

typically eat with the skin on, all

29:37

you eat a lot of. Milk.

29:39

And only reason why I say

29:41

that. So milk,

29:43

obviously, it

29:45

will vary the nutritional composition slightly,

29:47

but I'm also talking about your veggies.

29:50

So one thing that I'm really passionate

29:52

about is the antioxidants. Why? It's my my

29:54

big word. can't take it. on, it. Oh really? I can't

29:56

do it. I can't you so much. Thank you so

29:58

much. It's real problem I'm me, I'm sorry. But I

30:00

should give you some lax people are to going

30:02

be like, be are you interrupting this woman

30:05

to say, don't say veggies? I probably it because

30:07

I say vegetables all the time. time. vegetables I'm sure it's a a really

30:09

boring word, but do you know what? It's worse for me

30:11

than moist. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

30:13

I'm sorry. Apology accepted. Thanks. Organic

30:15

vegetables. And the only

30:17

reason being only being is can

30:19

actually have higher antioxidant content because

30:21

basically a plant is stressed,

30:24

they produce these like incredible -promoting

30:26

compounds. and an organic plant

30:28

gets more stressed than a plant

30:30

been kind of well sheltered covered in and pesticides. Isn't it a Isn't

30:32

a shame that not like that for the humans? If

30:34

If you're more stressed, you get healthier. I'd

30:36

be Usain Bolt. Oh God, yeah. I'd

30:38

I'd probably be like the Hulk or Superman.

30:41

So veg maybe root veg, like underground veg

30:43

type. Yeah, exactly. And then And then sometimes

30:45

think there's something so nice about getting

30:47

one of those little veg delivery boxes. No,

30:50

you veg. you said veg.

30:52

Veg, Not veggie, sorry. I was like, ooh. So the

30:54

worst. The worst. And it's like in mud and

30:56

gorgeous, but... So But. would be my idea of hell.

30:58

be my idea of health. No, but it's expected. That's the difference. That's my

31:00

idea of hell, because I would go, what am

31:02

I going to do convenience, yeah. No, it's not such

31:04

a convenience. It's what am I I to do with this? I

31:06

don't really like a lot of veg, and it's

31:08

not helped by my husband who thinks that vegetables are

31:10

the devil. Well, God bless him.

31:12

him, love him. God you've got my That's

31:14

why eat broccoli. He'll eat broccoli and tomato. I'll convert him.

31:16

Thank you so much. promise. I mean, if cabbage

31:18

is on the plate, he will leave the room room

31:20

it gives him PTSD from school, which is fair. He'll

31:23

be like, you can call it it kale you want

31:25

it it still. cabbage. OK, Sugar

31:27

is the enemy and we should avoid it entirely.

31:29

Oh, bullshit. Now, I did see a

31:32

clip of you saying if you have a kid, you would

31:34

never let them eat. And then the the clickbait

31:36

disappeared I lost the clip. So what would you never let them

31:38

eat? So don't feel

31:40

like it's a good thing to

31:42

ingest full drinks as quickly as we

31:44

drink them. Fat Coke. Fat yeah, It's Coke.

31:46

Just Full fat you know, when people

31:48

sit there and they will literally glug

31:50

through, some people or go through a one to

31:52

two liters full fat coke. Oh, God, no.

31:54

I mean, I like the odd I like

31:56

the odd tin of fat but not like on the

31:58

daily. of those things

32:00

I'm just like that's just a no -go

32:03

for me like me a little Coca-Cola on holiday or a

32:05

little Diet Coke, sun lounger,

32:07

packet of salted crisps, heaven. There

32:09

is nothing about that either I'm like

32:11

that is what is going to

32:13

make me ill or make me

32:15

sick or make me a bad

32:17

nutritionist so I think it's it's

32:19

just kind of like taking it like

32:21

full sugar, taking it relaxed. Liquid sugar. Liquid sugar

32:23

especially when ingested on an empty

32:25

stomach and if you're a quick drinker. Right if you're

32:27

a guzzler. Yeah. Good to know you heard it

32:30

here. If you want to maintain

32:32

a healthy diet you should cut out alcohol entirely.

32:35

Bullshit. I'm just not a cutter. I

32:38

feel like people's

32:40

relationships with alcohol is

32:43

something that's really important to address

32:45

because my auntie is actually a master

32:47

of wine so her job and

32:49

her life is committed to wine. Yeah

32:51

she's so smart she's incredibly like way

32:53

she talks about it it's the way

32:55

that I about food passion with care

32:57

with love can taste this oh this so well

32:59

with the food. doesn't

33:01

open up or like me my husband we don't

33:03

up a bottle of wine to get

33:05

drunk. We have a glass of red

33:07

wine on a a Sunday roast it's a wonderful

33:09

thing and I don't look at the

33:11

alcohol and think oh that's a terrible

33:13

thing for me and you look at the

33:15

the blue and the countries that live longest

33:17

in the world and they love a

33:19

bit of red wine. They love they drink

33:21

moderation it's it's It's binge drinking culture it's

33:23

clubbing culture it's drinking to get drunk

33:25

yeah rather than actually treating. Drinking you're going

33:27

on a bender. Yeah exactly like is so bad

33:29

for your health It's for everything like and

33:31

there's nothing that's good about alcohol nutrition wise. I

33:33

will not sit there and say I'll

33:35

have a glass of wine it's good

33:38

for you no no no polyphenols whatever like yeah get your polyphenols

33:40

in the beetroot. Eat the grape. Yeah the grape yeah

33:42

don't drink the grape but. I've had to can

33:44

to can alcohol for a while now since

33:46

I've been menopausal because menopausal women with

33:48

the lack of estrogen even if you're

33:50

on HRT the liver just doesn't have

33:52

the capacity to break down the alcohol

33:54

and it it me I can have two

33:56

drinks and like I'm absolutely hammered. my

33:58

cheeks go bright red I want to

34:00

go to bed and then I'm awake wide

34:02

at 2 a .m. And then I feel

34:04

hungover for days It's just not worth it.

34:06

But know your body and I always say

34:08

like people need to regain confidence in

34:11

their bodies Yeah, and their mind and what they

34:13

know, you know exactly works for you And

34:15

I can sit here as this qualified all

34:17

day long and like these are the things that

34:19

you should eat. are the things that I think you

34:21

should keep them balanced moderation No knows

34:23

what suits you best better than

34:25

you So I think as long as you're fun like

34:27

following the fundamentals or like the

34:30

patterns of things that we know are

34:32

are good for us and supporting our

34:34

health. You can tweak change Whatever you

34:36

best I mean, I would definitely be up for

34:38

a really good read some meat

34:41

on a Sunday Yeah, I speaking to a

34:43

liver specialist once and they said that

34:45

Pinot Noir Yeah the cleanest grape they use

34:47

the word clean properly cleanest grape

34:49

the Californian Pinot Noir the best one in

34:51

the world. They stunning. I've ever

34:53

had one. I don't know. I always go

34:55

for California But what it says it should be

34:57

Pinot Noir. That's a sign. I I well, shouldn't

34:59

drink Oh, no, they're like like Californian cab-saves. They're heavy. That's

35:01

gonna make you flush and stay away a

35:03

night But no, he knows. Yes, it's just a lot softer.

35:05

I need I it to look like Ribena a

35:08

week and diluted Ribena I'm an absolute booze wimp. There's nothing. Yeah,

35:10

not when I see people. and They're just necking it I

35:12

I booze think my god, I would be in a

35:14

coma. I can't do it. Okay a

35:17

carnivore diet is the healthiest for

35:19

us Well, it's Bollocks

35:21

they speak in our language, you Yeah, I

35:25

Where do you sit with meat versus

35:27

so example example protein? Yeah, so

35:29

I use divinia Taylor's willpower protein I

35:33

I discovered that I take the the indulgence

35:35

cats. take her and also energy ones she's

35:37

She's onto a winner. I mean stuff.

35:39

She comes out with her text. I

35:41

go babe. Why do you neck in? Yeah, down? Yeah,

35:43

she coming on. She's coming on In

35:46

that sense, yeah, But The

35:49

I cannot fault that brand

35:51

and and you know what who

35:53

is Incredibly like judgmental in space? Yeah,

35:55

Yeah, I purchased with my

35:57

own money. Yeah Not

36:00

ad, I've got a regular subscription. Well,

36:03

the chocolate, I did fuel for ages. And

36:05

was thinking, I'm bloated when I have this

36:07

Hewlett. She messaged me and she went, I'm coming for

36:10

them. It's pea powder, it does nothing. nutritionally,

36:12

I'm going to take over and I was like, yes, mate,

36:14

it it, it it. And then I tried hers and I I

36:16

was like oh my God, she's so white, they are a

36:18

world apart. Do you you Do know crazy it's like people

36:20

villainized protein powders for so

36:22

long so like, oh no, no no no. have

36:24

to do the plant -based ones. Plant -based

36:27

ones often don't taste as good. No,

36:29

it's like a puff, it's like a a pringle. Yeah,

36:31

can really trigger people's like, issues and whey

36:33

is so bioavailable. If you're thinking about

36:35

getting more protein especially as we get

36:37

older and we're in there. It's so good for

36:39

you. It stimulates your

36:41

your muscle. lose about three

36:43

eight to 8% of our muscle every

36:45

decade once we hit 30 as a woman. Oh yeah,

36:47

I know, trust me, my ass gone. Yeah,

36:49

Yeah, it's a a factual note, but it's so

36:51

important. Not

36:53

your ass, but muscle mass. My ass is also important, but

36:55

I mean, I'm happy with it. it. did what it needed

36:58

to do, you you know? Okay, intimate

37:00

fasting is good for you and brain function. You

37:04

don't have to be black white by the way, you can do nuance, we

37:06

can do gray. Uh, I'm going

37:08

to say, so I'm gonna say

37:10

bollocks, but could potentially be

37:12

turned if I see enough sufficient

37:14

evidence and quality evidence come out.

37:16

I know some, a lot of people,

37:18

the beauty intermittent fasting is free. It's

37:21

accessible, anyone can do

37:23

it, and anecdotally a lot

37:25

of people who said, changed my life.

37:28

So good on you, if If

37:30

it helps, what it can help people

37:32

do is regulate their eating habits

37:34

and patterns more, which stops them

37:36

mindlessly snacking and and eating much, just

37:38

like empty sugars and processed foods

37:40

in the day. It just creates

37:42

more awareness of your eating and turn

37:45

can improve your brain fog

37:47

energy. I think it would have been

37:49

fantastic for me, perimenopausal, but menopausal and

37:51

postmenopausal, you cannot do it. No. The

37:53

brain fog, I don't know any

37:55

menopausal woman who can healthily, intermittently fast

37:57

that I know. Yeah. We're all just

37:59

like, I have to. It's not something I'd

38:01

recommend anyway. Like, luckily. Eating late at night

38:04

causes weight gain? Bollocks,

38:06

but eating late at night is not good

38:08

for you. Because? So

38:10

you eat too late at night, A,

38:13

digestion, so it can cause more stress on your

38:15

digestive system, and it will impair your sleep

38:17

quality. So you look at your actual kind of

38:19

sleep patterns, sleep quality is

38:21

also really important for hunger. And

38:24

a lot of people realize if you have

38:26

a bad night's sleep, your hunger hormone ghrelin

38:28

is naturally higher the next day. So wake

38:30

up, you crave more food, you're constantly hungry,

38:32

you know you have those days where and

38:34

just like, I I want sugar, sugar, sugar.

38:36

This This Daniel all over, isn't it? my

38:38

son, My son, he has clinical insomnia. He's

38:40

30. 30. And we've tried we've

38:43

tried everything. Yeah. Sleep is so important,

38:45

especially for someone who's trying

38:47

to your nutrition. your nutrition. So

38:49

if someone turns up on your doorstep before we move

38:51

on to beauty and skin, briefly, if someone turns up

38:53

on your doorstep and in the days where you are

38:55

seeing clients, and they

38:58

say things like, I'm not

39:00

sleeping well, I'm generally feeling not

39:02

myself, their diet isn't great. Where

39:04

do you start? Where do you start

39:06

with a a nutrition plan in terms of, okay, so

39:08

this is the core basics. Is it that way

39:10

or do you work backwards from what their goal is,

39:12

or do you try and help them where they

39:14

are now? Such a questions. I

39:16

think everyone used to be quite unique,

39:18

but what I always used to do,

39:20

let's just take someone who struggles to

39:22

make changes, struggles to bring in new

39:25

habits. I'd always say build on what you

39:27

already do. So if you're a a sandwich-er

39:29

for lunch, let's try and boost up your sandwich.

39:31

What can we add? What

39:33

can we swap? Can we use this

39:35

bread instead? Can in we stick it in

39:37

a pitta? Are you getting 30 grams of

39:39

protein in your sandwich? Can a you add

39:41

the smelly egg pot when you go to prep

39:43

to kind of give you an extra boost?

39:45

And it's also the fundamentals of sleep. Are

39:48

you moving? Moving does not mean that

39:50

you have to start training for half marathons.

39:52

can literally be walk. Wake

39:55

up every morning. The thing I do

39:57

is I I go on morning walk. Like non

39:59

-negotiable. Palimful. about 45 minutes. minutes. So

40:01

I do- With pace or just walk headphones? pace. Yeah.

40:03

it's also it's also the time need I do- Like

40:06

you need wee. need I need a wee. I

40:08

love that. is, I love that. so good, so

40:10

good. I'm stealing that. You have

40:12

it, you can have it. walk with

40:14

pace, like need a wee and you're, yeah,

40:16

amazing. So I have, so iconic. Um. Um... And

40:18

I do all my work then as well. all my work

40:20

then as well. So I will do

40:22

all my emails I write recipes. I'll plan my

40:24

day, like, and it's my time. And I'm

40:27

lucky that I have like a block down river

40:29

front. I'm not going to walk into anyone

40:31

we'll get my phone stolen. And

40:33

So yeah, don't- just just like, da da da da. Yeah, yeah. And do

40:35

it briskly. You can do half an

40:37

hour, half an hour's fine, but I tend

40:40

to get around to 6,000 ,000 to 6 ,000

40:42

steps in before 7.30 is even hit. even hit. Fucking

40:44

hell. And, but half you know what? what, that

40:46

then, if I if I go around Everyone is

40:48

looking at you like, at you like, Jesus. even your

40:50

people. But it's one of those things- He's like, yeah, it's

40:52

not me. He's just a a client. But

40:56

it's one of those things. Hey, hey, walking

40:58

is free. Yeah. It will change your life.

41:00

change your life. will improve your mood. It will

41:02

improve your mental focus. I always say it's nature's

41:04

caffeine that morning walks. It's absolutely brilliant for you.

41:06

And if you can just integrate that

41:08

into your day, add a few extra nutritional

41:10

things. I I say get the sprinkles in. Get

41:12

the pomegranate seeds, get the extra fresh

41:14

herbs, the sprinkle of nuts, and whatever. that kind

41:16

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41:18

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and secure your spot. What

43:54

should we eat to get good skin? So,

43:57

I always That's a loaded question. it's a

43:59

very loaded question. But have

44:01

to remember that the skin is multi-layered

44:04

and it's also really, really hungry. Like shed

44:06

around 30 to 40,000 40 ,000 skin cells every

44:08

minute, I think it is. So

44:10

So do do layer

44:12

first, collagen. And

44:14

I always say it's like a race

44:16

to collagen when it comes to

44:18

nutrition. So the older we

44:20

get when we hit around mid

44:22

of our collagen we 1 .5 % of

44:25

our collagen we lose every year.

44:27

And And types of foods that we can

44:30

use to help support collagen production, so So vitamin

44:32

C, anything anything really high in C. Weirdly,

44:34

a red pepper is the highest vitamin

44:36

C -containing food. I love a a red pepper.

44:39

Yeah, so if you want to So if you want

44:41

to like on something to look after your skin.

44:43

I could do that. Red pepper cruditase, yeah?

44:45

those off. could chop those up. Can I

44:47

have it with something? Can I have

44:49

on its own, that's a bit

44:51

sad. Red pepper and hummus, skin skin-loving

44:53

collagen supporting, like accessible, you can get

44:56

it from your Tesco Express. Be than the McDonald's

44:58

breakfast. Just slightly. Can

45:00

you add pepper to your breakfast?

45:02

I'll No, just drop it and just eat

45:04

the pepper. And And then other thing is

45:07

let's kind of like about the bricks and

45:09

mortar layer. So skin cells are kind of like

45:11

stuck together. That really

45:13

relies on kind of like

45:15

our healthy fats, ceremonies foods. We

45:19

know that when we can

45:21

eat foods contain our essential

45:23

fatty acids, like our amigas, salmon, oily foods.

45:25

oily foods. But But also flaxseed, flaxseed

45:27

oil. There's been clinical trials

45:29

showing supplementation of flaxseed oil

45:31

can actually boost skin hydration

45:33

and retention. It can really

45:35

help just kind of like the overall skin

45:37

barrier and reduce inflammation. It's also worth

45:39

noting that all of the lovely kind

45:42

of antioxidants and color in

45:45

our food. So So can if about

45:47

skin foods, color is everything,

45:49

particularly our carotenoids. So

45:51

that is is red,

45:53

orange, love

45:55

my anthocyanins and purple foods. Sounds

45:57

little bit fancy and a little

45:59

bit woo. but of these colour

46:02

compounds are incredibly

46:04

anti -inflammatory and they will go

46:06

and sit within the skin

46:08

and again, protect the collagen and

46:10

prevent its from any sort of

46:12

environmental stresses, stress and stress, and

46:15

just kind of like a

46:17

lovely, healthy anti -inflammatory environment. And

46:19

And the last thing is simply just. hydration.

46:23

When you're hydrated the way that your

46:25

your skin cells and the

46:27

structure even of like the the pore is

46:30

is tighter enables like flow of the oils

46:32

in and out. So So skin,

46:34

making sure you're hydrating from within. and

46:36

you can get a lot of like

46:38

water from your foods. So So making sure that

46:40

you're not necessarily just gulping down

46:42

one liter of water, because you're not

46:45

hydrating appropriately if you just glug big bouts

46:47

of water in one sitting. Hydrating

46:49

throughout the day is like a big

46:51

tip for me. and boosting with electrolytes if

46:53

you want to. to and And having

46:55

those water containing, I'm I'm not gonna say

46:58

veggies. veg, water

47:00

containing You'll be on

47:02

Instagram now and if I see you doing a reel and you

47:05

say veg you'll go oh oh, vegetables be like, oh that

47:07

was me. You're welcome. But yeah so round that

47:09

up. Vitamin C containing

47:11

foods and making sure you're getting

47:13

enough protein in as well, like do know

47:15

that that collagen supplementation actually be clinically proven

47:17

for skin health benefits now like we

47:19

have the evidence there. and then

47:21

then also all of our

47:23

lovely color antioxidants particularly the carotenoids and

47:25

particularly the purple coloured foods as

47:28

well. Just to add an

47:30

extra note, the purple coloured foods cause

47:32

your blood vessels in your skin to vasodilate so

47:35

actually stretches the vessels

47:37

to improve nutrient delivery to

47:39

the skin. So

47:42

beetroot, blackberries. And supplementation

47:44

briefly. Obviously

47:47

a multi-billion business.

47:49

Is there anything that people should, that you

47:52

think people should take? to

47:54

Basically enhance so you're not yet it's

47:56

not if you know life changing got

47:59

real problems but things to enhance

48:01

good health. So

48:04

collagen, am a big

48:06

fan of. I am now. wasn't originally

48:08

because there weren't any studies. No.

48:11

The early studies on collagen it

48:13

all went to your stomach and then you

48:15

got rid of it it. Yeah.

48:17

know. I love it and I love it

48:19

and I like, I know if you

48:21

know Dr. Thrivee? Yes. Yeah. Gorgeous, gorgeous woman and now

48:23

recommends it in her clinic and she's like

48:25

nails go quicker. Yeah. The hair, the

48:27

nails, hair, everything. So for me. I I

48:29

also take a, I do have a probiotic

48:32

and I think it's really important

48:34

to understand that any sort of

48:37

supplement industry is incredibly unregulated. Yeah. The

48:39

quality and efficacy of supplements varies wildly.

48:41

So one thing you need to be

48:43

looking out for is delivery mechanism.

48:45

So we have basically a duo cap

48:47

we have an phase and an outer

48:49

phase and then the inner

48:51

core has like nearly

48:53

survivability of the live bacteria

48:55

it it then gut supporting

48:58

nutrients in the outside. So essentially in

49:00

a taxi and it doesn't get out

49:02

the taxi in the middle of your

49:04

stomach acid It out the taxi when it

49:06

can be absorbed. Exactly. So looking at supplementation

49:08

technology taking a really good gut health

49:11

supplement especially someone who is busy on the go, stressed,

49:13

sleeping properly. Gut is the

49:15

foundation of everything. If you're also

49:17

someone who suffers from bloating and

49:19

a digestive discomfort L -glutamine is king.

49:21

I have harped on about it since day one. I

49:24

remember even like I had

49:26

on who ripped me saying why you're promoting this

49:28

product and it's like all the evidence like

49:30

out there now and it's like solid. L-glutamine,

49:33

love it. Gut barrier function. Your gut

49:35

barrier very similar to your skin gut

49:37

barrier and I always that comparison. The

49:39

Same way that we need to

49:41

make sure that our skin barrier is

49:43

nice and strong and resilient to help

49:45

protect it against pollution and aggressors.

49:47

We need to do the same

49:49

for our gut barrier and think

49:51

about how everything that we do

49:54

that wears our gut barrier down

49:56

not eating properly not having enough diversity,

49:58

enough fiber, not enough antioxidants, all that. like

50:00

sugar that then kind of are our bad

50:02

bacteria love stressed on the

50:04

go that all going to

50:06

be depleting that gut barofunction, which, because

50:08

% of your immune system that

50:10

lives around there, then triggers back

50:13

to the skin and it's

50:15

why we see this whole kind

50:17

of connection between especially autoimmune conditions

50:19

like eczema and psoriasis back to gut

50:21

health because that is the foundation

50:23

and the foundation system for the

50:25

rest of your body So health

50:28

supplements. then finally my

50:30

crown there's a supplement called

50:32

I can never set pronounce

50:34

properly it's worst for me

50:37

astaxanthin. Astaxanthin. Did say it

50:39

right? Yeah. Yeah. of Round of applause. That

50:43

is, if if I if

50:45

people want to start looking into

50:47

a supplement or or into supplements

50:49

and thinking okay, what master antioxidant do I to

50:51

take That me is it Isn't that

50:53

derived from shellfish? Isn't

50:55

that the one that's like baby plankton? It's

50:57

a carotenoid. So it's- just

50:59

double just double check because there certain ones can't

51:01

take because I've got a shellfish allergy. Oh,

51:04

do is really annoying annoying. And and

51:06

for me as well liposomal. so going

51:08

back to that nutrient delivery form

51:10

liposomal is king it comes to bioavailability

51:12

the amount you absorb before you're investing

51:14

in. Like the liposomal vitamin C, sachets and all all

51:16

of stuff stuff. Exactly. it's it's, especially if

51:18

it's fat soluble, get your liposomal in, like

51:20

look out for those liposomal sachets. I like

51:22

this has just a big you haven't

51:24

presented it as a big bollocking, I

51:26

feel like it's the bollocking I

51:28

deserve Do you not any supplements? No, do well

51:30

I Well, I do. and I take

51:32

like we said before with Divinia's

51:35

Divinia's protein and collagen, an ad.

51:37

take creatine now. Great. I have

51:39

HRT that's why I'm not in jail I

51:41

should I should mention the creatinine as well

51:44

that's pretty good good. Yeah, brand for me yeah but

51:46

I'm just going to say It's like it's

51:48

a supplement think all should be taking. Good. everything

51:50

you're saying I know and it feels like

51:52

I've just got to the point where

51:54

I worked like a maniac for about 18

51:56

months So my died in March and I

51:58

threw myself into my health I mean,

52:00

it it was clearly what I was doing to divert

52:02

from grief. You know, some people go work hard. I

52:04

was in the gym. all week. working

52:07

out, I lost loads of weight, started to build

52:09

muscle. I went really into it and then

52:11

I realized about weeks ago I'm

52:13

knackered. I am knackered. So

52:15

where working out, I'm not replenishing here. I'm

52:18

letting it go on this side. So I'm

52:20

doing a takeout a fat coke I'm so exhausted and

52:22

I know it's not good for me. Whereas

52:25

I would have, I could have - I'm used

52:27

to have maybe a fat once every two weeks

52:29

when I was being like on it. And

52:31

now I'm like, every other day I'm like, go, I

52:33

have a fat coke? And it's not that regular. And I don't

52:35

drink and guzzle. And I might not even finish the can.

52:37

It's just those initial few sips. I

52:40

gave up caffeine, I I gave up alcohol. So I

52:42

gave up a a lot, but I I didn't replenish

52:44

enough. And that's what I've realized. So I've had to change

52:46

my whole, I haven't worked out in like three, four weeks.

52:48

And my body has just gone, thank you. you're

52:51

knackered. And I've got

52:53

sick, had a cold, but everything you're saying,

52:55

I'm like, God, that's me. That's me, I

52:57

didn't do that, that's me. So this is

52:59

good, because afterwards I'll be like, where's the list?

53:01

Everything else I need to order and get

53:03

back to it. But in a more sustainable

53:05

fashion, what I was doing was not sustainable.

53:07

If it's not sustainable, do not bother. You

53:09

wasting your time, you're wasting your money. It's

53:11

like saying, if I eat one salad every month,

53:13

that's gonna make me healthy. And it's also the

53:15

same as saying, if I have one full fat

53:17

coke a month, it's gonna make me unhealthy.

53:19

It's not true. No. Walking. you stick to and

53:21

do do for 365 days, 365 days? year

53:24

year with your life, and that is what is going

53:26

to determine your overall health. Yeah, there you go, go,

53:28

that's me told. Right, can

53:30

we go on to skincare and beauty briefly? Let's do it.

53:33

do are your earliest memories of skin care? So

53:35

I've always been a beauty junkie. Like,

53:37

loved it. I was a girl who

53:39

used to take my makeup back school. I

53:42

would also take my GHDs and like

53:44

my hair up. But early, early

53:47

memories. I remember my first skincare

53:49

set. I remember it so

53:51

distinctively. It was the Pink Biotherma. Was

53:54

it Biotherma? Biotherma. Biotherma, yeah.

53:57

And. So, My water. No.

54:00

Oh, Biotherm is a brand.

54:02

Yeah. Yeah. So it was the pink Biotherma

54:05

Cleanse tone moisturizer and my mum said, Emily

54:08

this is what skincare is. and I

54:10

I smelled it now, I would honestly

54:12

know how well there I must have been

54:14

seven. You can still get it

54:16

in France. Can you? getting pharmacy. Biotherm

54:18

is a brilliant French pharmacy brand. Really says

54:20

bioderma? Yeah, which is the micellar water. brand. water. So

54:22

Yeah, micellar water. And Biotherm is it it wasn't

54:24

Selfishers for a while but it didn't

54:26

really land But it's a French pharmacy

54:29

brand. Why would you put it in self-stress? That's my

54:31

that's my earliest skincare Memory. Yeah, and

54:33

your old? Sorry. I was seven seven I

54:35

I got it for Christmas. And

54:37

it was like a like a think

54:39

I was seven. around there like

54:41

Like pre-ten Mind you, she's busy having kids. just

54:43

wants to keep you busy. And it was very

54:45

neutral. And a, I remember. it had, I think.

54:47

Yeah, it's very safe easy. Mind It was busy

54:49

cotton bud. And it was just like and I remember

54:51

doing it being like. That was a good

54:53

choice, Emily's mom. was a good choice. Biggest

54:56

beauty of skincare disaster? I

54:59

had a fringe I died it orange. Oh, was I wanted

55:01

it to be the same colour as

55:03

Haley from paramore? Oh, Okay, fair and musical

55:05

taste. Yeah, I And you were Watch rock it.

55:07

I went to karang tour. You did

55:09

not? yeah, we're going to talk about music

55:11

to you. Oh gosh okay. I loved it. Like

55:13

I I used to have like I went

55:15

to the emo stage. I I

55:17

had blue hair at one

55:19

point as well. Nice. I loved it.

55:22

So I'm gonna I would I say it

55:24

was a No. No. I wouldn't. I

55:26

the biggest disaster was the over

55:29

stage. Oh okay. we all just decided to

55:31

destroy our skin barriers. Yeah, anybody does that. Yeah Anything

55:34

sort of, what's your current skincare routine? What

55:36

What one do you do just day to day? So

55:38

simple best to me. I definitely realized that

55:40

my skin. so As in products, not the range.

55:43

so So. No,

55:45

I mean like the simple range. No, as

55:47

in products. Yes Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which

55:49

I actually do I use the simple water.

55:52

Yeah, the micellar water is

55:54

fantastic. Yeah the hydro abuse one. I I really

55:56

that. So I cleanse with LMS

55:59

cleansing balm pro-collagen one Just... I don't know, singles

56:01

like down. This is evening.

56:04

then I'll do another cleanse with just a gel

56:06

-based cleanser often quite neutral And

56:08

then my skin is quite sensitive. So

56:10

I don't tend to put my actives. I

56:12

use like azelaic acid niacinamide, and Tret active from

56:14

Skinny me But depending on

56:16

how my skin is feeling. oh,

56:19

wait. Then use By Terry. I

56:21

love by Terry They have like

56:23

a hyaluronic. Yeah globalate. I use

56:25

that serum and then also use their too

56:27

It's really really good Because

56:30

I'm of a skincare whore, I tend to mix

56:32

up my serum from time to time, on what I

56:34

do, Exfoliation-wise, I

56:36

really like the Dermalogica

56:39

Rice Exfoliant. I want something that

56:41

feels a tiny little bit more

56:43

scrubby or I'll use the Ren

56:45

Glow AHA. Really steady glow. Yeah. again But again, that's

56:47

like once a week not too

56:49

much And yeah.

56:51

Is there anything that you use use obsessively if your bathroom

56:53

cabinet was on fire you'd be like gutted if you lost

56:55

it? it? Hmm. about

56:58

You'd have makeup instead. Any

57:00

makeup product you would be like, oh, I

57:02

can't lose that. Do you know what I've

57:04

tried recently that I'm just obsessed with

57:06

is the Perico MD Foundation Serum. Oh, really? It's

57:08

been around forever. been around for ages. It's

57:10

I remember always looking at it And I

57:12

was like, oh, it was too expensive for

57:14

me back in like days. I was just like,

57:16

no way. And I remember I got

57:19

it and now I wear it like day. Love

57:21

it. I also really really like Dior's skincare range.

57:23

Have you tried the new sticks yet? The

57:25

new foundation sticks. No, No, no. They're glorious.

57:27

glorious. They're absolutely glorious. glorious. But yeah,

57:29

I think burning. Burning

57:32

down the house skincare thing

57:34

has to be the By Terry

57:37

Global 8 hyaluronic acid range. Oh, the

57:39

whole range. Let's just take the whole range,

57:41

okay, great. Favorite beauty treatment,

57:43

what do you get done? Anything? I

57:46

got got high food my wedding with

57:48

Alice and I wouldn't trust anyone with it it if

57:50

they do it wrong, they'll melt the fat off your

57:52

face. Alice, are highly treated injectables. Oh, okay.

57:54

best thing I've ever done. ever done. Like

57:56

I felt so... It

58:00

reminds me, actually, I really liked seeing her like, if

58:02

I was snatched, I it.

58:05

Snap, staples in your makeup routine.

58:09

Skin is everything. So

58:11

making sure that my my

58:13

looks natural, but healthy,

58:15

and hydrated. So that

58:18

Pericone MG serum, I I

58:20

love the Ate.

58:24

Mm -hmm. Ate Jewel. Yeah, her blushes,

58:26

yeah. A Are phenomenal. she's immense.

58:28

I will stand by those blushes and

58:30

I've got PR from like so many

58:33

different companies, like all all these

58:35

different blushes. Those Those are the

58:37

blushes I go to and again. And they look

58:39

so primary And I can't look And the can't look at

58:41

color. other color. Phenomenal. And

58:43

And what else would been like? My the

58:45

final. What mascara? I

58:48

have eyelash extensions. Oh,

58:50

bastard. I know, I I know. She's, and they're the

58:52

best. I'm low maintenance. It's the one

58:54

high thing I do. Like I I

58:56

have with them. I

58:58

mix. Oh, obviously. Obviously,

59:00

we all mix. Aquatopama Rose with Penthaligans, Halfetti

59:03

And it goes it's like of,

59:05

like Oody rosy. Everyone always compliments

59:07

me on it. When you eat it,

59:09

you have it. But mix. do I I smell nice? Well, we

59:11

didn't get in enough. And I've I've got a bung up

59:13

nose anyway, so that's mine. And what do you do to to

59:15

of relax? When you? Because, obviously, you, we a bit

59:17

similar in terms of winding down and

59:19

relaxing isn't really on our go -to list.

59:21

What do you do to sort of

59:24

go, okay, I need to put the

59:26

phone down, stop thinking about recipes in

59:28

my head, like a freak. Hang

59:31

with my husband. What am I going to do? What

59:34

relax. go, okay, I'm going to chill now. Clean

59:37

flat. Obviously. Vonshway,

59:40

Candles on. And I know it

59:42

sounds really weird, and and you're to my be like, fuck off Emily. Cook.

59:45

But me. yeah. But like purely purely

59:47

What me. I do? I to relax. And

59:50

so rewarding about, like, sitting there then you you

59:52

up getting something. Like, sit down on

59:54

the big you sit down with a big bowl of

59:56

something. What's your comfort food? Oh,

59:59

noodles. or pasta think for

1:00:01

me I would say a dinner.

1:00:04

but not comforting to me because Like I roast and

1:00:06

it cooks for me. No, stressful.

1:00:08

Or pie, long live love pie. Love of

1:00:10

pie. And it's season. going into season, I

1:00:12

is my first one. great

1:00:15

pie in that book. Which one? Chicken pie.

1:00:18

Oh, immense. We are

1:00:20

basically the end, do you have any kind of

1:00:23

burning question for me? Are

1:00:26

wipes as bad for your

1:00:28

skin as they are to

1:00:30

be. Yes. Really? Yes. not

1:00:32

cool. Well, number one, they, yes,

1:00:34

yes, if, I mean, obviously, put

1:00:36

it this way, if I had makeup wipes and

1:00:39

I was in hospital overnight or a flight. I

1:00:41

would probably just keep my makeup on. Really?

1:00:43

Yeah. Until I could wash it. Shit.

1:00:46

So you do you use wipes? No,

1:00:48

so basically I've got to pack my little

1:00:51

mini water. So I was like, I'll

1:00:53

just pick up the micella wipes from a previous trip

1:00:55

to Italy. I I thought my skin looked quite

1:00:57

good. We'll see. That's different because ironically,

1:01:00

a micella wipe is slightly different in

1:01:02

my mind. Okay. might say they're not,

1:01:04

but in my mind that's where I

1:01:06

would gravitate towards because I would

1:01:08

want to take my eyes off. I'd

1:01:11

do one quick wipe. but if I don't have

1:01:13

water, I'm probably just gonna sleep in my makeup. Okay. Yeah.

1:01:15

they're not great for your skin. It basically, yes, it

1:01:17

will remove some but it won't remove all and a lot of

1:01:19

it is moving it around the face. So So

1:01:22

if you ever wipes and then you

1:01:24

go over your face with like an acid toner, The

1:01:26

cotton pad will still have makeup on it. Okay. So

1:01:29

yeah. So no more. I

1:01:31

feel like - Fanny's flights and is

1:01:33

the motto. Fanny's Flights and

1:01:35

Festivals after that, no. emergencies,

1:01:38

emergencies. yeah. I was in

1:01:40

- a no. Okay, cool. Cool.

1:01:43

Emily, thank you. Thank you for having me. Thank much.

1:01:45

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