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back to glad we had this chat

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with me Caroline Hirons. It's your one-stop

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shop for all things skincare, beauty and

1:09

beyond and thanks to you. This is

1:11

episode one of season two. My

1:17

guest this week burst onto the reality TV

1:19

scene in 2017. Captivating

1:22

the nation with her quick wit and

1:24

unapologetic nature on series three of Love

1:26

Island. Fast forward to today and she's

1:29

become one of the UK's biggest TV

1:31

stars and she shows absolutely no signs

1:33

of slowing down. Here to chat about

1:36

all things beauty, cosmetics and life, please

1:38

welcome Olivia Atwood. Glad

1:40

we have this chat with Olivia

1:42

Atwood episode one. How

1:45

fancy is that? Season two

1:47

episode one. Glad we had this

1:49

chat Olivia bloody Atwood. No

1:52

pressure. No pressure on me. I'm like

1:54

Jesus. Shh, we had the gates first

1:56

up. How are you? I'm very well thank

1:58

you. How are you? I'm good. We have something. in

2:00

common. Go on. The Greatest Showman.

2:03

You hate it. Fucking hate it. Thank

2:05

you. It's the worst. I can't, I

2:08

don't mind the odd musical in the

2:10

theatre but a musical, unless

2:12

it's Greece, which is biblical, the

2:15

Greatest Showman started and I was like, oh no. Oh thank

2:17

you. Tap me out. Thank you. Tap me out. I

2:20

don't know what it is, I have like

2:22

an actual physical aversion to it. There's just

2:24

a lot, it's a sensory overload as they

2:26

like to tell. Isn't ADHD a thing? I

2:29

like things but there's just too

2:31

much. Too much jazz hands, it's

2:33

on the roof, there's a beard,

2:35

there's dresses. There's so much going

2:37

on. It's too many songs. It's

2:40

just too much. I don't care. I don't care

2:42

and also he wasn't a great man that Greatest

2:45

Showman was he? Didn't treat the circus people nicely. I

2:47

was like, oh I didn't get far enough into even

2:49

though. Oh no I didn't. I know the story but

2:51

you went one step further, you went to see it.

2:54

I think yeah that was one where we

2:56

left really quickly. I didn't make that mistake.

2:59

I went to a Cayman style. Well now,

3:01

that is a musical so I should have

3:03

known but now, you know, because there's quite

3:05

a lot of what I call like sneaky

3:07

musicals out there. So you've seen Joker 2

3:09

with Lady Gaga's, what they called like a

3:11

sneaky musical. They didn't advertise it as a

3:13

musical but then luckily on Twitter and TikTok

3:15

people were saying it's the song

3:17

off songs I thought right. Side step.

3:19

La La Land. No. Tap me out.

3:21

The only time I've ever not fancied

3:23

Ryan Gosling. I didn't even

3:26

get, I got like maybe five minutes in I was like

3:28

oh fuck I was on a plane. I was like absolutely

3:30

lucky not. I'll watch Gavin and Stacey for the 75th time.

3:32

I just don't care. Put it

3:34

away. The jazz hands and the... Oh it's

3:36

just a lot. In the theatre. Yeah but

3:38

even that the seats are too uncomfy for women our

3:40

size anyway. You're not allowed to go for a

3:42

way. You can't move. You can't do anything. Can't

3:44

take your phone out. Other than that we love

3:46

it. Yeah support the West End. Also yeah

3:49

kudos to having the talent. I don't have

3:51

it. You know good for you. I just

3:54

I'm not your consumer. No.

3:56

Do you like you don't like music gigs either? Do

3:59

you know what? This is the whole area of

4:01

me that is a bit strange. And I don't know

4:03

why I'm like this, but I have always just not

4:05

been musical, not in tune

4:07

with music. I like, I mean, I'm not

4:09

a complete weirdo. It's like, obviously at a

4:11

party or in a club or whatever. And,

4:14

you know, I'm a big Ibiza girl. I

4:16

love music in that sense, but I'm not

4:18

like, you know, someone said, you know, who's

4:20

on your playlist? Like what playlist? Are we

4:22

talking about? Yeah, I don't have like favorites,

4:24

you know what? Yeah, I'm just never been

4:26

connected to music. We bonded on the greatest

4:28

showman, but I'd have music before anything

4:30

else. Really? Yeah, you see this for

4:32

me across the board. I

4:34

don't know what it is. What's your thing then? Do

4:37

you know what? If you're talking about art forms, I'd

4:39

say comedy. Like that is

4:41

like my thing, whether it's stand

4:43

up or it's, you know, sketch

4:45

comedy, whatever, satire. I really can

4:47

watch people who are funny

4:50

for hours, you know, and consume. And I love film.

4:52

I'd say me and my husband were big, like, we

4:54

love the cinema. That's why I'm always checking that I'm

4:56

not actually walking into a musical. Cause

4:58

I love films and, you know, and theater, but

5:01

it's just, yeah, it's the singing side of things.

5:03

That's a bit too much. Just too much. Like

5:05

the film version of Les Mis,

5:07

absolutely not. Painful. Painful. You

5:10

could do a documentary about, well,

5:12

no, film and things you do

5:14

like, tie it in with a day job. That

5:17

is a good, maybe they should just immerse

5:19

me into musical theater. I mean, I would

5:21

watch that. That would be fantastic.

5:24

I would have that on. I

5:26

can't sing at all, as you can probably imagine. Maybe

5:28

where this comes from. I have like no musical sort

5:30

of bone in my body. I can't dance in rhythm

5:32

or anything. And if I sing in the car, Brad's

5:35

like, God, that is

5:38

just bleak, isn't it? But

5:40

I always said

5:42

to my mum, my mum was like in agreement.

5:44

I'm really glad that you can't kind of sing.

5:46

Cause I would have been that kid that tried

5:48

to become a singer. I would have

5:50

gone to the expats for 15 years in a row. And she

5:53

would have taken you cause she loved you. She would have taken

5:55

me cause she loved me. So it's like, it's really good that

5:57

I just can't at all. Cause I didn't get to like, you

5:59

know. even pretend that was an option.

6:02

Did you get your interest in beauty from

6:04

your mum? 100%, yeah. You

6:07

know, my mum, apart from being, you know, just

6:10

very genetically blessed and beautiful

6:12

herself, she was always, you

6:14

know, into skincare and looking

6:17

after herself in that way. And, you know, I

6:19

remember I always used to think her bathroom was

6:21

like the Aladdin's cave of, you know, just like

6:24

creams and lotions and potions. And like, you know,

6:26

all of which we weren't meant to be touching,

6:28

you know, because we were with kids. And we

6:30

were like in there, my little grubby mitts. And

6:32

she was the person that kind of educated me

6:35

and my sister on looking after our skin, which

6:38

a lot of weirdly as I've, you know, got older,

6:40

I've now taken to practice. I mean, a lot of the

6:42

stuff she told us in our teens and twenties, I was

6:44

like, oh please, you know, she's like,

6:46

you know, protect your skin from the sun, I'm like,

6:48

oh, boring. And then here I am,

6:51

30, lasering off skin damage.

6:53

Well, wait till you're 54. Um,

6:56

documentary price at perfection. I just want to

6:59

talk about where we cross over. So a deep

7:01

dive into sort of cosmetic surgery. I'm still astounded

7:03

by it myself, but what were you most surprised

7:06

about? Gosh, I mean,

7:09

where to start? The

7:11

aesthetics industry in this country, just being

7:14

just an absolute free for all. Unregulated.

7:16

Unregulated. Everyone's just having a go. People

7:20

selling and doing treatments they

7:23

know nothing about. And

7:25

people buying and consuming treatments, they

7:27

also know nothing about. It's just,

7:30

it's very strange when you see

7:32

it firsthand and both parties have

7:34

no idea what they're

7:36

injecting or being injected. It's just

7:38

odd and it's scary. And

7:40

I think also maybe I was ignorant to

7:43

the effect it's had on really

7:45

younger women, like I'm talking like

7:47

teens, like early twenties. I mean,

7:49

even 15, 16, they're talking

7:52

about Botox fillers. You know, they're seeing

7:54

friends that have had fillers done by

7:56

backyard practitioners because it

7:58

just wasn't a thing. thing when I was that

8:00

age. And I think I was naive because I'm not, you know,

8:02

I don't have kids. I'm not around girls

8:04

at that age. I think I was naive to how

8:06

bad it is. It's

8:09

quite intense. It is

8:11

astounding to me still that it's

8:13

unregulated. I think the problem we're walking into

8:15

is because I'm an ambassador for the British

8:17

Beauty Council on the aesthetic side. And

8:20

so when those conversations are happening with government,

8:22

I'll be part of them. The problem is

8:24

at the moment that we

8:26

want people who are, we want people to be qualified

8:28

enough to give the treatment. But at the moment, the

8:30

doctors are trying to do this around everything so that

8:33

they make all the money and

8:35

leaving people who've been lasering for 25 years,

8:37

who've got more experience and they'll ever have, might

8:39

be cut out of it. Yeah. So it's that where do

8:41

you find the balance of the

8:44

qualification, the qualification didn't exist when they trained, but

8:46

they've been doing it for so long, they're pros

8:48

at it. Yes. And the doctors

8:51

doing the money grab. Because a lot of people

8:53

go to medical school, graduate, just get their MD

8:55

and then move straight into aesthetics without doing

8:58

further training. You don't train in aesthetics when

9:00

you're a doctor. I

9:02

mean, you're completely right. And you see cases

9:04

of doctors and dentists that you say who

9:06

aren't injecting on a daily basis, aren't using

9:08

energy based machines on a daily basis, also

9:10

leaving people in terrible conditions. Because just because

9:12

like you say, they are adopted, doesn't mean

9:14

that they have the hand

9:16

to eye practice every single day in that particular

9:19

thing. I think the problem with the unregulated and

9:21

the non medical side of it is

9:23

that there's no, these people can

9:25

disappear like ghosts. There's no license and no

9:27

insurance. So when you do find yourself, you

9:30

know, up shit critic, and you try and

9:32

go back and go hold on, these people

9:34

can just delete the Instagram page, they're renting

9:36

a room sometimes, and there's no chain you

9:39

can follow. So from that side, I understand

9:41

people, doctors and people that could be

9:43

struck off for that kind of behaviour. I understand their

9:45

frustration because they're like, hold on, we've got to pay

9:47

all this and we've got to have to do all

9:50

the paperwork and make sure we're accredited. And, you know,

9:52

these guys just disappear. And then people come to us

9:54

for help when they're in some

9:56

terrible conditions. It's just so unnecessary.

9:58

It's the majority. of people are

10:00

doing really good work. And then it's

10:02

these cowboys that come in, think they're going to

10:04

make a quick buck and

10:06

just leaving people with damage. The problem is like,

10:09

you know, anywhere you see economic boom and cash

10:11

remade, it's going to always attract some people that

10:13

are coming into it, you say for completely the

10:15

wrong reasons. And if you just see it as

10:17

something, or I could actually kind

10:20

of, you know, take advantage of this

10:22

situation, this demand, but you know, their

10:24

approach isn't ethical, whatever.

10:27

That's where you get these people that, they're not

10:29

in it for the right reasons. And

10:31

prior to perfection, and I think, you know,

10:33

throughout the episodes, we do sort

10:36

of land on that mark. It's not actually

10:38

meant to be an expose. It's not a

10:40

watchdog. It's not a, you know, lifting the

10:42

lid on the aesthetics

10:44

well, because I'm very pro-cosmetics, like obviously

10:47

pro-cosmetics surgery, pro all of that stuff.

10:50

But it kind of, some of the episodes ended up going that

10:52

little bit away, almost by accident, you know

10:54

what I mean? And then people were messaging me,

10:56

like in their hundreds saying they'd had these experiences

10:59

and what can I do? I can't help,

11:02

you know, all these people. But

11:05

all we can do is to try and educate

11:07

so then someone else might not find themselves in

11:09

that situation. Are you fairly comfortable with the people

11:11

you've got working on you now? As

11:14

in, well, who do my aesthetics? Yeah. Yeah. Like,

11:16

I mean, I only ever have my injectables by

11:18

one woman, a doctor, Dr. Selena. I mean, I've

11:20

done quite a lot of filming and podcasts of

11:22

her. She's done my injectables for the last five

11:24

years. Yeah. And

11:27

then some of her really, like you

11:29

say, they're not medics, but her very

11:31

highly skilled and qualified technicians do lasers

11:33

and the energy base and all that

11:35

stuff. So yeah, I mean, very comfortable.

11:38

I think also the thing I'd say, you know, this was

11:40

a narrative that I did get a little bit off the

11:42

back of the documentaries, which I think is

11:44

a complicated one. The

11:47

response I had, and people listening to this probably would

11:49

be saying the same thing, was

11:51

okay for you because you've got the money to

11:53

go and go to this person for this thing.

11:56

So where do we land with

11:58

injectables and lasers and stuff? Are

12:00

they a necessity that just needs to be

12:02

made affordable or are they not? Because how

12:05

I look at it is like, would

12:07

you rather just risk everything and

12:09

go really, really cheat because you feel like you need

12:11

it? But the problem is society has kind of made

12:14

people feel like they need it. It's not like a

12:16

choice or, you know, it

12:18

used to be that thing that was reserved for, you

12:20

know, when I was young, I thought it was just

12:22

the only people in Hollywood would have that done and

12:24

it's changing. And now it's everyone. And so then people

12:26

feel like, well, I need this because this is what

12:29

society has told me I need. And

12:31

so then they try to obviously do it

12:33

by someone they can afford. And then sometimes, not always, but

12:35

sometimes that ends badly. Yeah. I mean, I get that as

12:37

well. If I talk about it, I say, you must go

12:40

here and here. And they're like, well, it's OK for you.

12:42

I know. And I'm like, that's not the point. I'm trying

12:44

to keep you safe. You know, I

12:46

would say if champagne is being served and it only costs you

12:48

50 quid to have your Botox, you should probably not be in

12:50

that room. You would hope that

12:52

would be pretty obvious, but it still

12:54

needs saying. It would seem. And

12:57

also, I would say this, you know, if

13:00

someone's offering you for free, you've come off a TV

13:02

show, if you've done you've got a bit of a

13:04

following as a doctor or a nurse or

13:07

whoever messages you and says, do you want that

13:09

should be a big red flag. Like,

13:12

really, like if people knew, especially with

13:14

surgeries, if people knew what it costs

13:16

to put on a surgery, the theater,

13:18

the Anita's. If they're willing to outlay

13:20

that money, this is desperate. And

13:22

you have to wonder why you want to

13:24

go somewhere where they expect you to pay.

13:26

Yeah. But then again, you know,

13:28

the same would maybe be said, well, it's

13:30

all right for you because you but I've

13:32

had offered free stuff. I've taken free stuff

13:34

ten times over. But to me,

13:36

it always just felt it felt

13:40

icky and also feels like, well, where are you?

13:42

And I know so many people in this industry

13:44

who obviously I won't name who have taken freebies

13:46

and then, you know, if it

13:48

does go wrong, you're in a really awkward position

13:51

because you haven't paid. There's not a transaction history.

13:53

Like, what is the. You're not going to sue

13:55

them. No. How what's the like, what's the protocol

13:57

after that to try and get things done? Right.

13:59

It's very. messy. I hate

14:08

the word journey but I'm going to use it because Amber

14:10

Gill's a friend of mine. She was saying when she came

14:12

out of Love Island she went into Love Island with like

14:15

20,000 followers and came out with like four million and she

14:18

was it was only after that she realized she

14:20

had ADHD she was completely overwhelmed and she back-footed

14:23

so she comes out a winner and everyone else

14:25

is making all these deals and cashing in and

14:27

she said and I couldn't understand how they were

14:29

doing it I couldn't cope with what was thrown

14:31

at me and she's

14:33

kind of rejected the whole this is what

14:35

you're expected to look like and act like

14:37

you know she came out she doesn't wear

14:39

much makeup yeah so it pushed her in

14:42

one direction where she's now really comfortably

14:44

and authentically herself yeah when you came

14:47

out was there pressure that you

14:49

were able to ignore or did you put the pressure

14:51

on yourself? I think my experience

14:53

of this is like slightly unique because

14:55

one for me ADHD

14:57

was diagnosed I mean it's a it's a messy

14:59

timeline but it was like yeah mentioned it at

15:02

the age of 16 and then it

15:04

was kind of dropped and then someone mentioned it again when

15:06

I was like 18 I was like officially diagnosed at 20

15:08

21 ish so I knew about ADHD I knew

15:10

what was good for me and what was bad

15:13

for me in terms of triggering those symptoms however

15:16

at that time I wasn't exactly focusing on

15:18

doing the right things but prior

15:20

to Love Island having been I was a commercial

15:22

model I was doing a lot of grid girl

15:24

stuff I was working for a lot of like

15:26

energy drink companies going around doing like the

15:28

F1 and it was a very restrictive existence

15:30

as it we all had to look the

15:32

same like we had to have the set

15:34

nail color the set hair color there was

15:37

one uniform size it was very it was

15:39

yeah it was a pressure one uniform size

15:41

is like Brandy Melville yeah yeah it was

15:43

a there was a pressure but I mean

15:45

because I had been in it so long

15:47

I it was not a pressure I'm gonna

15:49

not lie and say that I had I

15:51

don't think it had a negative effect on

15:53

me very personally because I think I just

15:56

was very adapted to it and

15:58

very it was kind of watery for Dux

16:00

back. So coming out of Love Island, I did have

16:02

the same experience in going in with like, you know,

16:04

half a million thousand followers, getting them out on like

16:06

a million. So that's very surreal.

16:09

But I found the whole thing like

16:11

quite freeing because for the first time

16:13

ever, it was like me as an

16:15

individual and what I

16:18

had to say people like cared about, which

16:20

is a bit weird and a bit dangerous

16:22

at first when you haven't got any fucking

16:24

filter. And it was kind

16:27

of exciting. And I think I

16:29

adapted pretty well, you know, the

16:32

hardest part of me for me coming out of

16:34

that show was the relationship and trying to navigate

16:36

that and then that fell apart and that was

16:38

just messy. But the actual post

16:41

Love Island life, yeah,

16:43

I dunno, I just felt kind of

16:46

enjoyed it. I mean, that's good.

16:48

Yeah. It's not, you don't want

16:50

it to be a negative experience because you hear a

16:52

lot of negativity from people who do things like that.

16:54

It's, you know what? And I think, and I feel

16:57

very lucky that maybe I am

16:59

more of a minority in the

17:01

sense that you hear so many people coming off the

17:03

back of big reality shows, like you say, and they

17:05

go through what they describe as the worst period of

17:07

their life and they feel so low and all that.

17:10

And I just

17:12

feel like Love Island just changed my life for

17:14

the better. It opened all these doors. I

17:17

went from living quite a restricted,

17:20

kind of strange existence, you know, it really

17:22

was. And like, you know, I was living

17:25

out of a suitcase and I was partying

17:27

way too much. I didn't think

17:29

I really had that much to offer the world apart from

17:31

the way that I looked. And coming

17:33

out of Love Island, weirdly, which on

17:35

paper should have the opposite effect, it

17:37

made me feel, yeah, it made

17:40

me feel like, okay, maybe I do have

17:42

a bit more to offer than just standing

17:44

in a bikini and waving. And

17:47

I feel, you know, there's

17:49

bad sides to every single

17:51

job, of course. We

17:54

should all be able to recognize the negatives to

17:56

any job. But I do have

17:58

a hard time. feeling

18:00

sorry for myself or anyone in our

18:03

industry. Like we live the most amazing

18:05

lives. Like it's a very privileged place

18:08

to be and it's a very privileged place

18:10

to be when you have a platform and

18:12

people wanna listen to you and

18:14

they wanna engage with you. I think

18:16

that's so, how lucky can you actually

18:18

be? And if you don't like it,

18:20

you can get out of it. You

18:23

don't have to stay in it and keep telling everyone how

18:25

much you hate it and how miserable you are. You can just

18:27

go and do something else. I know that sounds a little

18:29

bit callous but I just think

18:31

you have to hit the nail on the head with it

18:33

a little bit. It's weird because when

18:35

you talk about not having a filter and

18:37

stuff, I get the

18:39

same, I've had the same thing always. Like, you're very

18:42

opinionated. I'm like, no, I'm just as opinionated as

18:44

you are. I just voice more of them. You just

18:46

say it. And it doesn't necessarily, it's not

18:48

always bad. It's not always a negative opinion. It's just, I

18:50

think there's this whole thing that certainly

18:53

my generation, which is, I'm

18:55

definitely Gen X is very, we

18:59

were be seen, not heard. And then that

19:01

sort of started to lift as we became teenagers but

19:03

it was still very much, speak

19:06

when you're spoken to and all of that. So when

19:08

people, when I first came on social media in like

19:11

2009, something like that, and

19:13

people would be like, oh, you're goppy. And I'm

19:15

like, I just literally said, I like that TV

19:17

show. Like, if you think that's goppy, Jesus. Yeah.

19:20

Wow, I'm in so much trouble. Is

19:23

there a misconception about you that you're thick

19:25

skinned? Because a lot of times people will

19:27

say things and there's also the

19:29

side of ADHD where we can take things really

19:32

intensely personally and people don't see that, I think. I

19:34

think they just think, oh, they're off, they're mad. You

19:36

know, they've got these opinions set it up. But actually

19:38

there'll be times where you're like, well, that is actually

19:40

a bit hurtful. In terms of being outspoken, you know,

19:42

there's been a bit of a journey for me because

19:44

I think about Love Island time and on Love Island,

19:46

you know, there was say at confidence whispers and insecurity

19:48

screams. And I think there was a little bit of

19:50

a time where I was just talking for the sake

19:52

of talking, you know? And like, I- But how old

19:54

were you at that point? I was young, I was

19:56

like 22, 23. And

19:59

I was like, you know, I was like- I'm outspoken,

20:01

but actually like, you know, what could have

20:03

been really good for me sometimes just to shut the

20:05

fuck up. But now I would

20:07

still say I'm outspoken, but there's a little

20:09

bit more thought goes into what I'm going

20:11

to say. And I don't just talk for

20:13

the sake of talking. And

20:16

you're right with ADHD, there's

20:18

a huge parallel between like

20:20

hypersensitivity to criticism. I

20:23

don't get it at all from

20:27

social media or the press. That kind of

20:29

criticism. And I actually find that I cope

20:31

quite well with that. For me,

20:33

it's much more like if someone close to

20:35

me, you know, if my family member or

20:38

Brad or, you know, my agent, someone

20:40

whose opinion I really respect is like

20:42

unhappy with me or tells me, oh,

20:44

you didn't do like that great job

20:46

on that. Then I have to

20:49

engage in my inner rationale to be like, you

20:52

know, that's okay. Like people can say, you know,

20:55

that you didn't handle something correctly. And

20:57

I have to, you know, as I've

20:59

got older, I've learned how to rationalize

21:02

that and receive it and not

21:05

kind of fly off the handle.

21:08

Because that's what I used to do as younger.

21:10

And I was a really sensitive kid. And

21:12

because at school, obviously I was completely hyperactive

21:14

a lot of the time. And

21:16

then I would be in my own little world. And then

21:19

if a teacher would shout and be like, Olivia, I would

21:22

jump. And then I'd burst out crying because I

21:24

was in my own little world. And I didn't

21:26

actually, I got in trouble constantly. But

21:28

what I would always say, and my mum would

21:30

always say, I never was like looking to get

21:32

in trouble, but I was just, I was always

21:34

in it. If something was going on, you know,

21:36

I was involved, but I'd be sort of just

21:38

like hyperfixated on whatever was going on. I'd kind

21:40

of forget that I was even breaking

21:43

the rules. I wasn't breaking the rules for the sake

21:45

of breaking the rules. Does that make sense? Yeah. Does

21:47

that carry through to work when you're on telly in

21:49

terms of breaking the rules? Like if you're doing loose

21:51

women, how did loose women come about for

21:53

starters? I don't, I jump from their side. I don't actually

21:55

really know. I was a guest a couple of times. And

21:57

after one of the last times I was a guest, a

21:59

year and a half ago, a couple

22:01

of the executive producers said, would you hang around

22:03

and go for lunch? And we went for lunch

22:05

and they were like, how would you feel about

22:08

having a go at being, a

22:10

guest panelist they call it. Cause you know on the show

22:12

they have had a lot of people come for a little

22:14

stint and then, so they never offer you like the gig.

22:16

They never go, do you want to be a loose woman?

22:18

They're like, why don't you? They call you out. They kind

22:21

of just soft launch you. They're like, why don't you have

22:23

a couple of shows? Let's see how you like it. Let's

22:25

see how the viewers like you. Let's see how it all

22:27

goes. And I was like a hundred percent like up for

22:29

it. And I actually really

22:31

was like, I've got nothing to lose here. Because

22:34

if the daytime, you know, viewers don't warm

22:36

to me or it isn't a feel, the

22:38

women don't like me, you know, it's

22:40

all good training. Like it's all good, you

22:42

know, experience. Yeah, it's amazing. So

22:45

I was up for it. And then yeah, it just really,

22:48

they said they weren't surprised at all. And I guess

22:50

that's why they're the bosses and they know what they're

22:53

looking for. But I guess I was surprised how quickly

22:55

it just felt like I'd been there forever. Which

22:58

is lovely. Honestly,

23:00

it's lovely. Because people are always trying to do a

23:02

drama around the women on Loose Women. And like Den

23:04

always says, there's no drama. We all get on, we

23:06

can exchange words, but if it was men, no one

23:08

would say a word. No, it's

23:11

that thing about we love, you know,

23:13

women to be like at war with

23:15

each other. It's so like exciting, the

23:17

media love it. I mean, this

23:19

is not some line that ITV have fed

23:21

me. I have not seen conflict at Loose

23:24

since I've been there. So

23:26

that's just my experience. And it's, women

23:28

have a lot of fun with each

23:30

other. Like it's naughty, it's silly. They're mates.

23:33

Some of these women have worked together for like 20 odd years. They

23:36

have like, they know each other inside out. And

23:38

that's also like credit to them for making me

23:40

feel so part of it. Cause I'm coming in

23:42

there with friendships that have been existing

23:44

long before I was even, you know. And

23:46

they're so funny as well. I mean, when,

23:48

because through Denise, we went to see her

23:50

at the Palladium, the Loose Women tour at

23:52

the Palladium. And from beginning to

23:54

end, you're just laughing. And the audience, there's not

23:56

many young people in the audience. It's all older

23:59

people. and you know they

24:01

swear which obviously you can't do on telly and

24:03

denise tells her dirty jokes and you can see

24:05

these old women with white hair pissing themselves you

24:07

know and then when Janet came out on stage

24:09

i thought was gonna lose a kidney she comes

24:11

out and she's just they're all you know doing

24:13

things they're all doing their jazz hands and and

24:15

then Janet comes out she's just like she

24:18

just plays into that carrot so yeah and you

24:20

know she's like well when i was with one

24:22

of my well which one was it one

24:25

of my husbands and they're all it's just

24:27

hysterical but it's women getting along and that

24:29

whole place the whole vibe was

24:31

women enjoying other women it's very it's

24:33

very joyful yeah is there a plan

24:35

for after loose women what makes

24:37

you go i love doing this like

24:39

making telly yeah being part of

24:41

television whether that's a you know

24:44

a live format like loose or

24:46

doing the documentaries even being in

24:48

the edit it's just and

24:50

that's i think another reason why for me love

24:53

island obviously has been such a positive thing

24:55

because i feel with what i'm

24:57

doing right now like this is exactly where i'm

25:00

meant to be what i'm meant to be doing

25:02

and i'm yeah i could have maybe would never

25:04

have found it like the chance i wouldn't have

25:06

if i didn't go on love island so it's

25:08

like i feel very lucky it

25:10

always just feels like it's too like too good

25:12

to be true you know you just feel like

25:14

how did i get this lucky but i

25:17

love what i do and making telly

25:19

we did obviously bad boyfriends yeah the

25:22

dating show and it was hosting in

25:24

that way was like another sort

25:27

of another level of hosting for me and

25:29

that i just i would like

25:31

to remain to be part of loose and be part

25:33

of that culture in that family but also you know

25:36

continue to do stuff on my own is nice it's like

25:38

to have the best of both worlds it's such a nice

25:40

feeling are you gonna do anything in my world you're

25:43

gonna do anything in the beauty world um

25:45

in what sense i don't know like you strike me

25:47

as someone who would have their own brand of doing

25:50

something oh you mean oh you sorry

25:52

you mean like in a product sense yes yeah i

25:54

mean it would you know what it would

25:57

product doing a Some

26:00

kind of brand has been obviously something we discussed

26:02

in the background for the last couple of years.

26:05

It's something I probably at some

26:07

point will do. It has to be so right. It

26:09

has to be, do you know what I mean? I

26:11

feel like I'm so lucky to have this audience. They

26:13

trust me. I'm not going to flog

26:15

them shit. I can't do it. So

26:18

I want, it has to be

26:20

right. And two, it has to be the time. And

26:22

I feel like right now in development and telling, there's

26:24

no more hours in the week. And a husband. And

26:27

a husband. Yeah, who? Poor

26:30

guy. Yeah, honestly, that's like me with mine.

26:32

I was awful. When you see Jim, I'm

26:34

like, oh, it's Tuesday week. Awful, I know.

26:36

Like the only time he really, like, yeah,

26:38

he only gets me like when I, doesn't

26:41

sound really sexual when I get into bed. But

26:43

yeah, it's like, you know, it's when we

26:45

clock off. Like, it's the only time, yeah,

26:47

it's just me and him. But yeah, he's

26:50

lovely. Okay,

27:07

let's talk beauty. What's your favourite treatment to

27:09

have? Ooh, like

27:12

results driven or just? Both

27:14

either. What do you find you

27:17

do the most? What do you do for results and what do you do to

27:19

chill? Okay, so results, it'd

27:21

be some kind of hydro facial

27:23

combined with photo fabulous. I

27:25

just can't stop raving about this treatment.

27:28

For me, it depends what your goals are. It's

27:31

just incredible. It's what I did for my wedding

27:33

and it's what I've continued to do afterwards. And

27:36

you know that glass skin, I'm kind of sick

27:38

of that thing. But if you're looking for glass

27:40

skin, that's the closest you're going to get to

27:42

it. I mean, it's just

27:44

incredible. And then for wellness, I

27:47

try and do something like reflexology or

27:49

like acupuncture. I bloody love reflexology. Nothing

27:52

makes me shut down. I know, it's

27:54

incredible. It's incredible. And someone grabbing my

27:56

feet. My therapist got me onto that because

27:58

he was like, you have no... and relax a day

28:00

in your life, my angel. And we've got to do

28:03

something about this. Cause I

28:05

was like, when I have a massage, I

28:07

lie down, put my head through the hole, and

28:09

then I replay every bad decision I ever

28:11

made in my adult life for one hour. And

28:14

I said to- I count the fivers in the carpet. Thank

28:17

you. So I was like, it's a waste

28:19

of my money and time. So he was

28:22

like, you know, this route, but every plexology,

28:24

wow. It just tunes you out. I'm like,

28:26

God. Yeah. And then afterwards they tell

28:28

you exactly what is wrong with your body. And

28:31

it's right. I don't care if anyone rolls their

28:33

eyes. People are a bit like, oh, whatever. No,

28:35

no, no, it's science. Yeah, it's science. It's just

28:37

easy. What's your earliest memory of skincare and beauty?

28:42

I don't know. She'll forgive me for saying it,

28:44

but no, she- Oh God,

28:46

go on, this can be good. My mum used to

28:48

like, do all her lotions of potions in the evening

28:50

and like, she was, you know, on

28:52

her arms. I remember, and then me and my

28:54

sister used to rub our face on her arms,

28:57

cause it used to smell so nice. And

28:59

Phil's so nice and she'd go, get your grubby

29:01

little faces off my, you know, she's put her

29:03

tonics and her creams and everything on. That

29:06

was the first sort of memory.

29:08

And then I think mum buying

29:10

me, you know, I think I'm

29:12

very privileged, but Clinique or something

29:14

like that, she bought us a coat, you know, the

29:16

three step. And it was like

29:19

mine. And, you know, it was like in a little

29:21

zip bag. And she was like, right, you know, I

29:23

think she, I don't know what age I was, but

29:25

young, youngish. And she was like, you know, this is

29:27

yours now. You need to stop going to my bathroom,

29:30

touching things. You wash your face with this, you put

29:32

it toning moisturizer on. Yeah.

29:34

And it stands out in my memory. What's your

29:36

current skincare routine? It's

29:39

a little bit more invasive than Clinique.

29:42

I do like, I prefer the medical grade stuff. I

29:44

like ZO. Like I like ZO.

29:46

I know for some people it doesn't work for me. You have

29:48

to find the right bits, but

29:50

it would be a bit of a scene in the

29:52

morning, some kind of a serum,

29:55

a heavier moisturizer. I'm on the dry

29:57

side. So like, I like a really

29:59

like. heavy moisturizer

30:01

in the evening cleanse the

30:04

you know again a serum and a night

30:06

cream yeah and it's a do a peeler

30:08

or scrub every two or three days you

30:10

don't go too heavy into it it's not

30:13

like it's not silly I see these people

30:15

online they're doing like 15 step routines I'm

30:17

like who's got the time yes I know

30:19

it's like

30:22

it's good stuff but I keep it pretty simple do

30:25

you wish you had more time to

30:27

do more or do you manage to get everything done

30:29

that you want to do in terms of treatments because

30:31

I think I wish I could do

30:34

pretty fixology I really need to go and get this

30:36

done and it just doesn't happen yeah

30:38

I guess sometimes I feel a little bit like I'm

30:41

a drag for a hedge backwards which is hard as

30:43

well when you're in industry where it's like you need

30:45

to not look like you're constantly being judged you

30:48

need to look pretty slick but sometimes you feel like

30:50

a foot do you know

30:52

what it is more with the telly stuff it's it's

30:54

hard to schedule things and again it's like you know

30:56

get your violin out fucking out oh my god you

30:58

can't schedule a facial big fucking deal but it's

31:01

because this oh my god who's gonna blame me

31:03

in the movie um

31:13

but yes it's more like trying to get the

31:15

get in there diary in my diary then you

31:17

know you think you think you're it and this

31:19

is the thing with doing documentaries when you are

31:22

doing a documentary your life is a documentary because

31:24

the story is not you the host the story

31:26

is the person so if that person's like okay

31:28

fine you can come and watch my you know

31:31

labiaplasty at two o'clock on Wednesday you're like cancel

31:33

everything we're going to watch a labiaplasty do you know what I mean

31:35

so yeah sometimes I wish but

31:38

also I'd rather be busy then that's not on

31:40

your list of things to do is it for

31:42

me no we're all good down there but we

31:44

did we did a whole vagina episode on a

31:47

series one of price perfection yeah I just it's

31:49

not that it gives me the ick it's more

31:51

the the pain side of it I would be

31:53

I know it's that because when you hear it

31:56

you image I'm like squeezing my money now like

31:58

think Jeremy and it's like it just and it

32:00

just makes you go, ooh. But I mean, for

32:02

some women, it's like life-changing. For sure. What was

32:05

the best, in terms of the results that you

32:07

personally felt after you'd had it, what

32:09

was the best procedure you've had done? So I've

32:11

had a blef because my lacrimal

32:14

glands had prolapsed and they've done it again, they're

32:16

both popping out again. So I have to have

32:18

another one. Why does that happen? It just- Oh,

32:20

sneezing, giving birth, vomiting. Like they went, oh, it

32:22

could have been anything. And I'm like- What, so

32:24

you just pop them out? You sneeze and they

32:26

go through the muscle with such force. Stop. Yeah,

32:28

it was probably childbirth. But I had

32:30

them done in like 2016 and they need doing again. So

32:33

I was like, this time I'm just gonna fucking superglue them.

32:35

I'm like, yes, please. And then I had my teeth done.

32:38

And now when I say I would picture myself, I think, oh my

32:40

God, why didn't I get my teeth done earlier? And

32:42

when they said, what color do you, because I had been

32:44

ears, what colors you want? And I said, I want one

32:46

shade darker than John Bon Jovi. I want the American teeth

32:48

I was promised at birth and I never fucking got. That's

32:51

what I want. I want to go smile and people go,

32:53

Jesus. Literally. I want you to be

32:55

able to see me from Hadrian's wall. Yeah. I

33:00

think teeth are up there. For me, I've

33:02

got porcelain veneers, which I know everyone's kind

33:04

of moving away from. And I wouldn't like,

33:06

you know, actively recommend anyone. Why should I

33:09

say that? Porcelain veneers are

33:11

fine. The scaremongering around them is

33:13

like, if you go to Turkey, they shave your

33:15

teeth down to nothing, you're gonna be in trouble

33:17

and you could lose a tooth. If you find

33:19

a good dentist and they conservatively prep the

33:21

teeth, you're gonna be fine. It was just

33:23

prep. Just like when they buff your nail

33:26

before they put a nail on. I think

33:28

it's a misconception that your teeth need to

33:30

be chiseled down. That's not what it is.

33:32

And the composite obviously is way more hard-wearing

33:34

than, sorry, the porcelain is way more hard-wearing

33:36

than the composite. So

33:38

teeth, for me, the breast augmentation was

33:40

a big one. The second one.

33:42

Could you look them fixed? Yeah, the revision. When

33:45

I say fixed, the first ones, there

33:47

wasn't actually anything technically wrong with them.

33:49

They were just ridiculously big. I was

33:51

like smuggling autumn melons. It's

33:54

just so silly. That

33:56

was just as stupid when you had them

33:58

done. Oh, God. Like

34:00

21, yeah, I was young. I

34:03

was really young to do that. I

34:05

felt really looking back on it. It's like I feel

34:07

like sorry for my mum and my dad

34:10

a little bit because I haven't

34:12

got kids yet. But it's like I already feel

34:14

the heartache that I

34:16

wouldn't want my daughter that doesn't exist yet

34:18

to do that at such a young age.

34:22

So it's weird when you get older, you start to

34:24

see things differently and you know. But

34:26

yeah, they're just too big. And then just basically

34:28

I've got very thin skin, my

34:32

type of skin is fine. And the weight

34:34

of these implants, they just, oh my God,

34:36

they would just file. And one

34:38

was under my armpit and one was, oh,

34:41

just wow. So I did a revision and

34:43

then the, I've been touched with, I've been, I

34:45

had no problems and they don't call me discomfort.

34:48

I like the way they look and I like

34:50

my body and swimwear. And it was

34:52

always a big thing for me, the boobs. You

34:54

know, I was like, yeah, I just big. Were

34:56

you not big booed when you were younger? Very

34:59

flat chested. My sister and mum had really full,

35:01

unbelievable boobs. The audacity. I

35:03

know. Fucking bitches. I fucking know. And

35:05

my sister still has these boobs now. They're

35:07

like memory foam. Like she's like, you

35:10

know, how old is she? Just a year younger than me.

35:12

Oh, she can piss off. And people are like, oh, who

35:14

did your boobs? And she's like, well, my

35:16

mum. Yeah, nevermind. I was like,

35:18

so I was always, you know, I was looked at these boobs

35:21

and I was like, I need boobs. So it was always a

35:23

thing for me. And again, it was something like, I kind

35:25

of built up in my own head, but I

35:27

felt like I was meant to have them. You

35:30

know, it's weird. It's like, you know, I think

35:32

people was trying to make things really like demonized

35:34

and it was the culture and the

35:36

patriarchy. It was just, I just liked them. Do you,

35:38

do you, do you get

35:41

much pushback if people only want to talk

35:43

about like things you've had done?

35:45

I just find it so reductive

35:48

towards women because, you know, men have shit done, women have stuff

35:50

done, but it's like you're damned if you do and you're damned

35:52

if you don't. So you get the pressure and you think, oh,

35:54

I'm going to do this. And then they're like, well, I

35:57

know. It's just so judgmental. And I hate

35:59

it. Here's my theory, if

36:02

you are pro-choice, then you

36:04

should be pro whatever a woman wants to do to herself. Leave

36:06

them alone. Why do you care, Daily Mail? Why do

36:08

you care? The problem is

36:11

that you say, and it's like

36:13

this paradox, you're stuck in, and

36:15

I battle with it myself, that

36:17

when people look impossibly good and

36:20

they don't discuss anything, we're not

36:23

owed anyone's medical details,

36:25

right? But if you're

36:28

an actor or a host or whatever,

36:30

and you tell, you say, a journalist,

36:32

okay, I did a face lift, whatever,

36:35

whatever you try and promote for the next 10 years,

36:37

or whatever amazing thing you've achieved, they are not going

36:39

to give a shit about anything else than the fact

36:41

you had a face lift five years ago. So

36:44

I understand, and then also you're going

36:46

to have the onslaught of people going,

36:48

why? You look awful, all the rest

36:50

of it. So I understand why people

36:52

then keep the information to themselves, because

36:55

we kind of scream for honesty, but then when people give

36:57

it, we abuse it. So it's like, what do you want?

36:59

Or if you give an opinion, God

37:01

forbid. God forbid. Yeah.

37:04

So it's a difficult one. And

37:07

I think, I just don't like it

37:09

when people do stuff and then they claim it was

37:11

a cream or a workout. That really fucking jars me.

37:13

But if you want to do

37:15

things and keep it yourself, I think it's your own problem. But

37:18

don't pretend it's something else. Don't try this out, Sarah. I mean,

37:20

there was a lot of fresh-faced people after

37:22

the pandemic. Hollywood there. A

37:25

lot of people that went to Hollywood and

37:27

got their faces done and got power to them.

37:30

But don't pretend like you were just working out

37:32

for two years while the world was in lockdown.

37:34

Yeah. I mean, when you're

37:36

in the industry as well, because like, you know,

37:38

you have gossip, we have gossip, facialist, hairdressers, manicurists.

37:40

They see it all. We know everything.

37:43

We know where the bodies are buried. We know

37:45

where parts of the bodies have come off. So

37:47

when you see someone, they look great and you're like,

37:50

yeah, you know, it's not

37:52

our business. Well, like you say,

37:54

when people pretend they've had nothing done, like when

37:57

they say they don't have a nanny, they don't

37:59

have a cleaner. They don't have a driver. I'm like, you're

38:01

a fucking liar. And I think

38:03

that is setting up women to fail, right? Always, it's

38:05

not supportive in any way. It's not. I had a

38:07

really open conversation with her, I made her my podcast,

38:10

and she spoke about having a nanny and whatever. And,

38:12

you know, she was like, I couldn't go to the

38:14

gym for two hours and do my PT biz if

38:16

I didn't. And I was like,

38:19

fair fucking play. Cause there's so many

38:21

people, mums, who are in the industry,

38:23

influencers, who I know have help, but

38:25

then they do the kind of the

38:27

fake martyr thing. But

38:29

then you're like, how could you be there and be

38:31

there and whatever? And I was

38:33

reading the comments under the posts we posted

38:35

for her episode. And these other women are

38:38

like coming for her. It's always other women.

38:40

They're going to have, that's bullshit. You could

38:42

do it all without a nanny. You'd have,

38:45

what? She's telling you like, like scientifically, she's raised like

38:47

a single mum now, well, you know, separated. It's like,

38:49

how can she be in the gym for two and

38:51

a half? Unless you, but I think what a lot

38:53

of people do is they have a parent who does

38:55

what a nanny does, say they have no help. You

38:58

do have help. You just don't pay them. Like it's

39:00

still help. The same with

39:02

people, you know, that have cleaners and PAs and

39:05

whatever. It's like, where's the shame in admitting that

39:07

you need people to, you know, to run

39:10

these operations. When I do my Instagram Q

39:12

and A's, which are always fairly entertaining.

39:14

I can imagine. But someone

39:16

said, do you have a cleaner? I put fuck yes. God

39:18

yes. With my lads, Jesus,

39:22

I'd be in jail for killing them. Yes, I have

39:24

it. Of course. I love her. I

39:27

would miss her more than my husband if she left me. But

39:29

also I feel that. Sorry, I do love you a

39:31

lot, Jim. And also my son edits this. That could

39:33

be a problem. Although Max is used to it. But

39:36

he'll, Jim would be the same way. He'd be like,

39:38

it's very sweet. I'm like, yeah, it's all good. But

39:41

also like, you know, you

39:43

are a successful business woman. You've got a lot of shit

39:45

going on. It wouldn't be, it would

39:48

be counterintuitive for you to spend time

39:50

cleaning when you could be, and

39:52

it's not that you still. I still do it. Not that you're

39:54

a life. I just don't do all of it. I'm

39:57

not too good for it. Or it's like, it's

39:59

about delegating. that's how

40:01

you have a successful life. It's by

40:03

delegating tasks to people that do things.

40:08

Yes, you can do shit. You can do

40:10

something else. Whether that's a nanny or a

40:12

cleaner or whatever. It's like, what's the shame

40:14

in that? I don't get it. I think

40:16

it's one of those things where we're supposed

40:18

to downplay our successes and

40:20

not talk about this and that. And I just think

40:22

it's utter bullshit. If

40:25

I'm running a multi-million pound business, that's

40:28

the reality. I work all the hours God

40:30

sends. When it's my days

40:32

in the office, I'm there until the last. I'm

40:34

there after everyone else has gone. I'm

40:38

not playing here. So if I

40:40

don't have time to do that, I wanna make sure

40:42

that my house is taken care of. So

40:44

I pay someone to do that. And

40:46

it just makes sense. But no one ever

40:49

fucking asks a man, oh, you got a cleaner. How do you do

40:51

it all? How do you do

40:53

it all? That and gratitude journals. Do you keep

40:55

gratitude journals? No, I fucking don't. Ask a man

40:57

that. No, I know. Why? Every

40:59

single gratitude journal, not one is made for

41:02

a man. They're all pink, they've got flowers.

41:04

I'm so sick of the double standards around

41:06

women and what

41:08

we should and shouldn't do. Nigella Lawson

41:10

said this thing where she said, you can be

41:13

two out of three things brilliantly at any one time.

41:15

Wife, mother, business person

41:17

like work. So you might be doing killing it

41:19

at home with the kids and the husband, but your work

41:21

will suffer because you're not there. Or you're killing it at

41:23

work. You make sure you've got time for your babies, but

41:25

your husband never sees you. And

41:28

that's so true. Yeah. The thing we

41:30

can have it all is bullshit. We have it all to do.

41:33

And how we choose to delegate what we're doing

41:36

is really the message women should be giving other

41:38

women and supporting. And it's

41:40

always that bastard on Instagram who says, be kind

41:42

in their bio. That's a twat. Oh

41:45

my God, please. Always, be kind. And I look

41:47

at their mind and I think, all you do

41:49

is troll people. Go for it. The most soul

41:51

sucking individuals that you say, all praise God. Oh

41:54

yeah, Christ is my leader. Really? You

41:57

need to be your conscience before you go after Jesus. Christ, I

41:59

want to know you. He ain't answering the phone, girl. I'll answer

42:01

that in some time. You got a long way to go before

42:03

you get to St. Peter's mate. Jesus.

42:06

You are not, yeah, you are not in his fan club.

42:10

No, you're so right. And in terms

42:12

of that, in that rhetoric, it's like

42:14

the, obviously the narrative and the questions

42:17

I get around child, you

42:19

know, having a child, being a mother. Mind

42:21

your business. Mind your business, but also it's

42:23

like, I've been really open about

42:26

saying that it's like, I could be trying

42:28

to get pregnant, right? And then you're, you're

42:30

invading on this thing that could be really

42:32

painful for me. It could be really hot.

42:34

You just don't know. But I've been really

42:36

open and said, I'm actively choosing right now

42:38

to completely indulge myself in my work and

42:41

my husband. Good for you. That's it. There

42:43

isn't actually space at the table right now,

42:45

emotionally, spiritually, my heart, whatever, for that third

42:47

thing. So it's a very conscious decision that

42:49

we have made as a couple right now.

42:52

But people just don't like it. They just don't want to

42:55

hear it. They're like, but you know,

42:57

but I'm just telling you, the

42:59

truth that no one ever really wants to say that cause they're

43:01

scared to say it. I'm so sick of the judgment. I

43:04

knew I wanted two kids when I was young and I

43:06

didn't expect to have the later two, but then I knew

43:08

in the pit of my

43:10

gut, I wanted more babies. But my

43:12

best mate never wanted kids, would have

43:15

got sterilized at 19 if she could, like genuinely. And

43:17

she was just like, I don't want them. She loves

43:19

my kids. She loves her niece. That's it. But she

43:21

knew, but people treat women as if they don't know

43:23

their own mind. I know. You know, oh, but you'll

43:26

be sorry. No, you won't. Kids, once you have a

43:28

kid, it changes every single thing in your life. Yeah.

43:31

Everything. And anyone telling you different is a

43:33

liar. Yeah. It changes your body. It

43:35

changes your brain. It changes your relationship with your husband.

43:37

It changes the time you've got, you know, it's going

43:39

to be fine, Danny, don't worry. Oh,

43:42

our producer is very pregnant. She's going

43:44

into a panic attack. What's

43:53

the most overrated treatment you think you've had done

43:55

just for you personally? Like I've had all therapy.

43:57

It did nothing. I had it here. It did

43:59

nothing. They said I had some cool sculpting, it

44:01

did nothing. Yeah,

44:04

it would be one of the

44:06

energy based devices. I've literally tried so

44:08

many. Essentially, if you stick

44:10

to like high frequency, Potenza, which is

44:12

a step up from Morpheus, where

44:15

you're going to penetrate the skin, do

44:17

something and sort of stimulate collagen, you're

44:19

good. It's going to be,

44:21

yeah, it would be one of those

44:23

external, non-penetrative. Yeah, I mean,

44:26

I'm not the biggest fan of microdermabrasion. I'm

44:28

like, I can do that myself, mate. I

44:30

don't need you to spray the sidewalk, I'm

44:32

good. And I've never liked derma rolling or

44:34

anything like that. Do you

44:36

like the derma pen though? That's different. Yes, I

44:38

like derma pen. I like anything that kind of

44:41

breaks the surface properly. The roller is too problematic

44:43

for me because it's fling. Well, the

44:45

reason we don't use rollers that much anymore, we use a

44:47

pen, is because the pen's stabbed and the roller, when it

44:49

rolls over, it's like a lawnmower and it pulls the skin

44:51

up behind it. So eventually you get too

44:54

many micro channels, too many tears in the

44:56

skin and it becomes an aggravation. So

44:58

rather than just being, your skin will then repair

45:01

and you'll get the growth and da, da, da,

45:03

da, da, it becomes more of

45:05

a, you're causing damage. We

45:08

have more sophisticated means now. Yes. That's the best

45:10

way to put it. What some of those energy

45:12

based devices, yeah, I think, yeah. Just

45:15

a bit. Do you do anything? I think they're

45:17

not for me. I think that's, you have

45:19

to find your machine and your, and

45:22

it's actually targeted to the result you want. Yes,

45:24

and sometimes you think you're trying something because it's

45:26

new and it's all fancy and their marketing is

45:28

great, but what you're actually looking for, what's the

45:30

result? Well also you need to go more than

45:32

once. Yes. That's the thing. People say that

45:34

they go for once and because it doesn't work, they don't click.

45:36

I'm just sitting here in a vortex. No,

45:38

the boobs and the teeth weren't the best thing

45:40

I did. It was the jaw type. Okay. It

45:43

was the liposuction and the jaw type. That was

45:45

the best thing I ever did on my jaw. Yes. Because

45:48

that was just completely- What did it give you definition?

45:51

I had the worst double chin

45:53

all my life, from my dad's

45:55

side, the family, like a really

45:57

kind of short, sunken back like-

46:00

jaw. It bothered me so much

46:02

I did that about four years ago. How did

46:04

they do that? What was the procedure? Like a

46:06

cut in here, tiny liposuction

46:08

rod and then they just go back and

46:10

forth your numb and they just sit it

46:12

all out and then they tighten it with

46:15

the internal radio frequency. I love a bit

46:17

of radio frequency as the dog bollocks. It's

46:19

so clever. That was for the best thing

46:21

I've done. But

46:23

you don't look like you've had loads done. I

46:26

mean if you were doing research

46:28

you would think that you had a

46:30

lot done but you don't look like it at all. But

46:32

this is the problem is that when you admit to a

46:34

couple of things I've spoke about, you know, lip fillers and

46:36

I've done my teeth and they sort of then paint

46:39

me with like the bride of Frankenstein. Do you

46:41

know what I mean? And it becomes something to

46:43

focus on rather than your palate. Yeah and it

46:45

becomes bigger than what it is and it's like,

46:47

you know what you say, it's not like I've

46:49

had a full face transplant. It's like, you know,

46:51

it's little bits and bobs but yeah. I mean

46:53

we called them tweakments for a reason. Also I

46:55

just looked really fucking shit a while ago because

46:57

of the hair and the makeup was so bad.

46:59

And I think that sounds like the biggest cop

47:01

out ever but the way that

47:04

changes your face when you've got white

47:06

hair, black eyebrows, like two packs of

47:08

lashes on. Please don't talk to me

47:10

about lashes. This lot no. I used to

47:12

do fake lashes. I would have them, you

47:15

know, I'd have my lashes done but then

47:17

I got a bit addicted. Okay. And I

47:19

did look like I'd caught two butterflies on

47:21

my face. Lash blindness. And it was that

47:23

was when the one time

47:25

in our 35 years my husband has gone, do

47:28

you need those lashes? They were horrendous and

47:30

then COVID happened and of course I couldn't

47:32

have done. Oh my God, it was so

47:35

freeing but I felt naked and it took

47:37

ages and to grow back again but never

47:39

again. Oh. Never again for me. A week

47:41

into COVID or two weeks into the proper

47:44

lockdown it was literally

47:46

like a scene from a horror movie. Like

47:49

I'm in the bedroom. I'm like, don't look

47:51

at me. Like trying to get the acrylic

47:53

nails off with my own little drill that

47:55

I bought from Amazon. The roots are like this.

47:57

The Botox worn off. I'm like this in the

47:59

corner. corner like Gollum, and Brad's like, my God,

48:01

what's happening to you? I'm like, I'm decomposing. Don't

48:04

look at me. When

48:07

they, when it was all lifted,

48:10

Josh would PR message me and they said,

48:12

look, we want to promote that the salon's open. Can

48:14

you come in at midnight? They forgot,

48:16

of course. I hadn't had my hair done

48:18

in, I mean, it was months and months and months

48:20

and I'm very gray. And my

48:22

hair's normally dark. So my hair was a mixture of dark,

48:24

gray, blonde at the ends. I looked like a dog

48:26

that had been dyed and it had gone wrong. And

48:29

so we were there till five in the morning. Doing your

48:31

hair. Doing my hair. And I was like, I know at

48:33

4 a.m. when we were all like this, I was

48:35

like, well, it seemed like a good idea at the time. That's

48:38

so funny. And the P.I. stand there and go,

48:40

it's absolutely fine Charlotte Fielder. She's like,

48:42

it's absolutely fine. It's absolutely fine. I was like, you're

48:44

doing a coffee love. She was like, no, it's fine. And the

48:46

colorist was like, Jesus Christ. But I think it was good for

48:48

them because everyone who would have come through the door after me

48:51

would be the same. Looking, yeah. You can't book in for 40

48:53

minutes to do your color when you haven't done it in eight,

48:55

nine months. No. It was amazing. Was your

48:57

hair amazing though? I've been on a big holler. I'm

49:00

like, no. My hair was

49:02

like, having that break from color, my

49:04

hair was like the best ever bit.

49:06

I mean, you've already got young hair.

49:08

My hair was like, help me. My

49:11

hair was decomposing and it was like

49:13

gray. It looked like salt

49:15

and pepper had been squished together in a big turd. Oh

49:17

my God, that's funny. I was like, what is going on with my

49:19

hair? My lashes fell off, my nails have gone. I was like, what

49:22

do I actually look like? Whoever I am. And I was

49:24

humbling. And I really just admitted to myself and

49:26

I was like, I'm a high maintenance girl. And

49:28

I love it. And I don't want to pretend

49:30

ever that I'm not. No, because like I am

49:32

unapologetically, it is what it is. And it's not

49:34

high maintenance, it's just my maintenance. Yes. And

49:37

if you don't like it, thank you very much. Yeah.

49:39

Out of product that you have at home, if

49:41

your bathroom cabinets on fire, what are

49:43

you saving? Any of the

49:45

high quality night cream, like I

49:48

love at the moment, skin and

49:50

suiticals, like AEG, refactor or something

49:52

like that. Because my

49:54

skin is dry and I need like a

49:56

thick face cream. Just even in people

49:59

that only use serums and whatnot. I do use to I like the

50:01

feeling of a heavy cream. You're going to love our rich moisturizer. Oh

50:03

yeah, it's how that already sounds. I've got a whole bag full of

50:05

stuff for you. Yes. You're

50:07

going to be carrying it home like my God. Yeah, diving in. I'm a

50:09

bit of skincare, I just love it. So yeah, that is,

50:11

it's something like that would be the one I grab. Or

50:13

tan, which is not skincare. Yeah, what tan do

50:15

you like? A tan. I

50:17

am, I jump around a little bit

50:19

but at my heart, I'm a Bondi Sans

50:21

girl. Right. They're just, I always

50:23

go back to it, you know. Good Aussie brand. You just,

50:25

you know. Also great SPFs Bondi Sans. Good SPFs. It's

50:28

a good tan. I never really

50:30

let you down. And I do the mousse, I do it

50:32

on my face. Because I just don't do the sun anymore.

50:34

Yeah. Like that's the thing, I

50:37

just, I really don't. And I don't want to look

50:39

sickly like a Victorian ghost. Yeah. Some

50:41

people can rock being pale and I love it. I'm

50:43

not one of them. And I sometimes look at people

50:45

in the red carpet and I'm like, okay, she's doing

50:47

this pale skin. I could do that. I

50:50

just wouldn't look like it. Everyone would just think that it was,

50:52

I was near my time. I say two things. I

50:54

have time. The time

50:56

for me to look pale and matte is in my coffin. Yeah.

51:00

Yeah. Seriously. I've seen people in a coffin.

51:03

My Nana had a glow her whole life and a coffin, not so

51:05

much. Right. She wasn't

51:07

minding saying that. And when mum

51:09

and I went to see my Nana in a coffin, we

51:11

also had to fix lipstick because the undertaker would put on

51:13

the, the, I

51:15

mean, talk about it, the coral frosted and

51:17

they left it on the side. And it's

51:19

obviously they use the same one in every

51:21

dead woman. So I went, mum, give

51:23

me a tissue. And I spit shined my Nana's dead face.

51:25

I went, give me a lip. Wow. I

51:28

went, give me a lip. She was like, oh God, yes, yes. Put it

51:30

on. And then we had a cup of tea standing next to her. I

51:34

cannot send my Nana into

51:36

the afterlife. She will

51:38

absolutely believe she's there or coming back with

51:40

a frosted coral horrendous. Was it

51:42

like an open casket situation? Okay. She

51:45

needs to know. Not the funeral. No, just for

51:47

us. But that was bad enough. I went, you

51:49

know, you go in, it sounds terrible. You go

51:51

in. I'm sorry. I'm

51:54

sorry. It does

51:56

not. It's just a trigger warning. It's just

51:58

a trigger warning. corner and

52:00

the coffin is open and I'm

52:02

half like, okay, and half like, I'm not gonna

52:04

believe she's dead until I see her on the

52:07

sad side. I walked in and as we got

52:09

closer, I never swear in front of my mum,

52:11

never used to swear in front of mum ever.

52:13

She was very lady like, not like the disaster

52:15

that happened when she had me. And I

52:17

walked towards the coffin and I went, what the fuck is that on

52:19

her face? And mum was so shocked

52:21

at both seeing her, me saying the F

52:23

word and then seeing her face, she went,

52:25

her! And that's what I thought,

52:27

good tissue, tissue. Genuinely bizarre,

52:30

but actually felt like a completely normal thing to do.

52:33

She has to look like herself. It's kind

52:36

of like, it's a horrifying story, but kind of

52:38

wholesome. Yeah, totally wholesome, cup of tea. And

52:40

then we went into the, my favorite, like, you

52:42

know in Steel Magnolias, where she says

52:45

my favorite emotion is, you know, crying until

52:47

you laugh or laughter through tears. And

52:49

that's what we did, stood at the side with a cup of tea, then

52:52

went into hysterics. I'm like, did I just literally clean her

52:54

dead face? I was like, sorry Nana, as if she was

52:56

alive. Yeah, my mum would be like, oh, and I'm like,

52:58

mum, that lipstick, look at it, it's horrendous. We should bin

53:00

it so no other poor dead woman has to deal with

53:03

this. And then what about the lipstick that you put on

53:05

her? Did you keep it? Oh yeah. The mum probably used

53:07

it. It's

53:09

long-term babes, it's not cheap, you know what I mean? She's like,

53:11

give that a little something, I know. Literally. Okay,

53:20

so let's do makeup then. If you can only wear

53:22

one item of makeup for the rest of your life,

53:24

what's it gonna be? Some

53:27

kind of tinted moisturiser. I do like

53:29

a base, something to just kind of

53:32

even everything out. It's that or a

53:34

lip gloss. I love a lip

53:36

gloss. I always cheat on these things, because you're meant

53:38

to ask one and I never do. But it's impossible

53:41

if you really love it. It's like saying, you know,

53:43

one final meal. There's a reason they say start. Because

53:45

the thing with makeup is that I work a lot

53:47

of things, a completely naked face

53:49

from a scar, I think looks a bit strange,

53:51

a completely naked face with a full brow. It's like,

53:53

you need more than one. I do like a

53:56

lip gloss or something on the lips. I

53:58

don't like a dry matte lip. Oh, again,

54:00

Matt Lipp, dead. So how crusty

54:02

lips coming towards you now, please. Hello, dear.

54:06

Oh, oh, fine. No, sorry. It's kind of on its way

54:08

out now, I think, the Matt Lipp trend, but I never

54:10

liked it. No, I don't do anything, Matt. No. Nothing. Glow,

54:13

glow. I want you to see me shining from across the

54:15

street. Yeah, because I do think you look really thank you.

54:18

I'm thriving. Thank you. I'm alive.

54:21

My skin is lubricated. Praise

54:23

Jesus. What

54:26

are you never without? So is

54:28

there like a fragrance that you always go back

54:30

to? Or in terms of beauty

54:32

and skincare, what are you never without? If it

54:34

runs out, you're like, shit, I need to order

54:36

that now, or I need to go and get

54:38

it now. I've always, in my bathroom for the

54:41

last 10 years, had the Kiehl's body moisturizer. Really?

54:43

You have the big orange, yellow, orange. Creme de

54:45

cour. I've never, I can't remember the last time

54:48

I didn't have one in my bathroom, genuinely. It's

54:50

my favorite, because like with my face, my body,

54:52

I'm the same. People that get out of the

54:54

shower and just put their clothes on, don't moisturize.

54:56

What's wrong with you? How do you do that?

54:59

Oh God, that gives my hairs and back on.

55:01

My neck stand up. It's my favorite. It's

55:03

like cheese grater legs. How

55:05

can you not moisturize from head to toe? I

55:07

just couldn't. And so I jump around with face

55:10

stuff and hair stuff and whatever, but that is

55:12

a real staple. That's always been there. If I

55:14

don't have body moisturizer, I'm not getting dressed. No,

55:16

it's horrible. And it's not anything to do with

55:18

money. I use like Garnier body repair. It's like

55:21

three quid, but I have to be

55:23

lubricated. Yeah, and it's not the same. In

55:25

like a bind, I've like gone head to

55:27

toe with hands moisturizer. Whatever you have

55:29

to do. Yeah, like it's just, I have to put

55:31

something on my skin, put my clothes on. It's

55:33

just horrible. I can't do it. No. As

55:36

we move towards the end, do you have any burning

55:39

question for me? She's

55:41

like, no, actually you've just laid it, or like you talked about, you're

55:43

dead now. And where is there to go? I

55:46

know so many things about you against my will. It's

55:48

like, I don't know where

55:51

I could possibly go. Against

55:54

my will. Who will blame me in

55:56

the movie? That's like a stalking app. I read it,

55:59

I chat, you did it. about a year ago,

56:01

it was about influencers and influencing. And

56:03

I was gonna say, your daughter's big

56:05

on TikTok. Yes. Since her having

56:08

that growth online, has it changed the way

56:10

you view those, that

56:12

job and that sort of side of

56:14

things? No. No, because she's very,

56:16

I mean, the important

56:18

thing is her success is 100% down to her. Because

56:21

she's on TikTok. I've got like 40,000 followers on TikTok. I'm

56:24

very rarely on there. If I'm on there, I like, I

56:26

look at you, Ava, something

56:29

funny Liv sends me. I'm just

56:31

not in the TikTok zone. Instagram is

56:33

always my platform. So the fact that

56:35

she's got the following she has and

56:38

that I'm seen as Ava Hirons mum on TikTok.

56:40

I love it. I find it endlessly hysterical. She

56:42

was pranked and I put underneath, baby even I knew

56:44

this was a prank because she fell

56:47

for it and she posted it. And underneath my

56:49

comment, cause I have a blue tick, underneath

56:51

my comments, some young lad had put, wow,

56:53

TikTok be endorsing anyone these days. And

56:56

I was like, cut

56:58

me deep. I've been in this game

57:00

before you could even walk out. It's like, you cut

57:02

me deep Shrek. You

57:05

know, you're just like, but actually find it and

57:07

to now change my bio to founder of this,

57:09

wrote books, da da da. And then I put,

57:12

then I put on here, Ava Hirons mum.

57:14

Embrace it. I'm very proud of her. She's

57:16

amazing. She's brilliant at what she does. And

57:19

your stuff is so different. Completely.

57:21

Like it's not like, you know, it's a carbon

57:23

copy of what you see. It's like the sketches

57:25

and stuff she does. She'll call me and

57:27

go mum, that thing you just put up was shit. Take it down. I'm

57:31

like, well, it's got to be like, no, it's fucking embarrassing. Take

57:33

it down. I'm like, do you worry

57:35

about her having that kind of platform? I

57:37

mean, when we went, we had a situation

57:39

where as a family, we were facing trolling.

57:42

And that's when I took the babies off

57:44

social media. Got it. The grandchildren came off

57:47

anything that, I mean, I'd always taken care of the kids in

57:49

terms of, if they didn't want me to post it, I wouldn't.

57:51

And even if I'd posted something in fun and they didn't like

57:53

it, it was usually Ava. I hate that picture. Done

57:56

immediately. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not even a question. But

57:59

when we were all. trolled as like

58:01

a family effort and I

58:03

had to get lawyers involved. Oh I

58:05

fucking bring my lawyers mate, I call

58:07

them reassuringly expensive. You can say what you want

58:09

about me but if you fuck around with my kids or my grandkids

58:12

just know that to my dying breath I'll

58:14

be going I'm coming back for you. Like

58:17

literally. And so we handled it so

58:19

all the big mouth see oh no we've got a right to keep

58:21

it up. No you didn't know did you because you took it down

58:23

motherfucker. Did you find out who they were? Well

58:26

we found out who three of them were yeah and

58:28

they're people that we knew when the kids were little.

58:30

Weird eyes. Absolute freaks but the

58:32

joy of it is like we said vaguely

58:35

when there is the odd person

58:37

that you recognize and you message

58:39

them because you can still contact that person

58:42

and then they shit the bed. Because they

58:44

realise fuck. And you tell them exactly what

58:46

you're going to do to them when you

58:48

see them that's lovely. That makes it all

58:50

worthwhile. And what it also does is reinforce

58:52

that these people they're just normal sad people

58:54

at home. There's no big ghost trolling you

58:56

online. There's no big organisation. It's just some

58:58

sad fucker at home usually in their mum's

59:00

basement. Yeah miserable you know ordering another pizza

59:02

and thinking I'm just going to troll again.

59:04

Denise always talks so funny she says when

59:07

she and Lincoln aboard they read Daily Mail

59:09

comments. I don't know. Yeah I don't mind

59:11

telling our comment. There's only so many times.

59:13

My my sort of online profile

59:15

and with Ava growing up with it she sort

59:17

of grew up with me having an online profile

59:19

but it happened when I was praying an appausal.

59:21

There are pictures of me online. I think

59:24

Jesus fucking Christ. How did Jim even look at

59:26

me naked. I mean it's horrendous.

59:29

But there's only so many times it's like what are you

59:31

going to do. Like Stacy Solomon says we're going to do so.

59:33

I've got a big nose. Do you think I think

59:35

I didn't hear that growing up with my sister. Yeah

59:37

that's what it's like we're going to call me a

59:39

fat ho. Yeah. Like less of a fat. You know

59:41

it's like it's

59:43

just like I don't give a

59:45

shit about your opinion about me. No. So

59:48

fuck you. Yeah. And Ava's very much inherited that

59:50

now. I was a bit worried when she was

59:52

sort of in the late teens. If

59:54

this had happened success had happened for her when she was

59:57

younger I'd be over like

59:59

overarching. and like much more sort

1:00:01

of necking to see, are we okay? To

1:00:03

make sure she's fine. She's just, she's

1:00:06

got her head switched on. You know, she knows

1:00:08

what, she had asked me questions if there's a

1:00:10

job she doesn't know. She's got great management. They

1:00:12

take care of her. That's good. So she's, no,

1:00:14

she's good. She's just loving life. But I, who

1:00:16

knew that I would be

1:00:19

Ava Hirons' mum. That's mad, isn't it? Ava Hirons' mum.

1:00:21

You never know, do you? Look at you. Did a

1:00:23

photo shoot a couple of weeks ago with some, a

1:00:26

lad who was like 18. And

1:00:29

she was the screen saver on my phone. He saw my

1:00:31

phone and he went, and obviously the cogs turned and he

1:00:33

went, are you Ava Hirons' mum?

1:00:36

And I went, yeah. And he went, oh my

1:00:38

days, how cool is that? And

1:00:40

I was like, yeah, it's pretty cool. Yeah,

1:00:42

you also got a few things going on myself, but

1:00:44

you know. No big deal. No

1:00:46

big deal. Two best sellers, I own a multi-million

1:00:48

pound business. That's a nice though. That's lovely. It's

1:00:51

lovely because 15 to 18, she nearly didn't make

1:00:53

it. Not because she was ill, because I was

1:00:55

gonna kill her. I

1:00:57

don't mean it like, oh no, she was in children's hospital. You

1:00:59

were like, you're gonna, no, I was gonna put her in children's

1:01:02

hospital. Yes. That was horrendous.

1:01:04

Yeah, horrendous. I feel like my mum

1:01:06

went through so. Well, because her teenage

1:01:08

horrendous years happened when I was perimenopausal.

1:01:11

And her poor brothers and my husband, they

1:01:13

must've been like, Jesus, these women, what is happening?

1:01:16

I mean, screaming at each other. Which

1:01:18

I've never done with the boys. The boys, I'm

1:01:20

like, oh, homework. Oh, sorry, mum. Yeah. Or,

1:01:23

you know, they don't. But they don't then go

1:01:25

to town, giving you strict details and a thesis

1:01:27

about why they're not gonna do that homework. Because

1:01:29

I didn't know. I mean, there's no surprise that

1:01:31

out of our entire family, Ava was the first

1:01:33

diagnosed with ADHD. No,

1:01:37

she came out talking. Yeah. Three

1:01:39

pushes, 10 pound baby. Three pushes.

1:01:42

She walked out of me going, right, let's

1:01:45

get this show on the road, stitch her up, I've

1:01:47

got places to go. Like literally from day one, she

1:01:49

was in charge. That's so funny. And

1:01:51

is still in charge as far as my husband's concerned. That's

1:01:54

so funny. I mean, I think that's the

1:01:56

difference between the personalities. Girls and the teenage

1:01:59

years. My mum always described that I went to

1:02:01

bed one night and I came

1:02:03

down and she was like, it's like the antichrist had

1:02:05

possessed your body. That's what my mum said. And you

1:02:07

just looked at your dad and you just went, no.

1:02:11

He said something, I was like, don't ask you

1:02:13

to speak. Like you just, when

1:02:15

it just turned and he was like, oh my

1:02:17

God, what's happened to it? It's evil. And

1:02:19

then yeah, then you, like you say, for that period. My

1:02:22

mum said, I came home from school one day in the

1:02:24

back door, she went, hello love, did you have a good

1:02:26

day? I slammed the door and said, I hate you. I've

1:02:29

got the most stupid name. I'm changing my name

1:02:31

to Julie. Why

1:02:34

Julie? I have no idea. But you're glad you

1:02:36

didn't do that now. I'm very happy with the

1:02:38

name Caroline. And she just went, right,

1:02:40

okay. Yeah, there's a lot of, do you want some

1:02:42

dill at Julie? So

1:02:45

no, I worry about Ava as you would a 22 year

1:02:47

old. Yeah. But

1:02:49

I don't worry about her online because she's extremely clued

1:02:51

up. Yeah. Like even if I say something,

1:02:53

she'll go, don't say that online. So she knows the, yeah. She

1:02:56

knows how to take care of herself. It's good. Well,

1:02:58

thanks love. I don't even know where we went off on money tangents.

1:03:00

I mean, what was the point in having notes? We

1:03:03

just like to get a bit of a check. That's a lot of good, yeah. It's

1:03:06

great. What a pleasure. I loved it. Episode one,

1:03:08

not much pressure for everyone else. Well, I hope

1:03:10

so. Feel the pressure. Thank you

1:03:13

so much. Thank you. Thanks for having

1:03:15

me. You can hear much more

1:03:17

from our chat this Wednesday in our listeners questions episodes.