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1:35

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1:37

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1:40

Helen Hong and now from

1:42

the Gateway Theater at SF

1:45

Sketch Fest in San

1:47

Francisco. Here's our moderator.

1:50

Thank you, everybody. Thank

1:52

you, Helen. Unbelievable crowd

1:55

we have, Helen. Unbelievably

1:57

hot, hot crowd at SF Sketch

1:59

Fest. as if all of you

2:01

weren't special enough. I understand that

2:03

Helen, you have an added special guest

2:05

in the audience tonight. I do. My

2:08

sister and my nephew. Are they here?

2:10

They're over there. Tell us, sister. Now

2:12

how old is your nephew? And for

2:14

those who don't know, what the heck

2:16

is a nephew? A nephew is a

2:18

son-nephew. Because I'm helping my sister raise

2:20

her baby. My nephew is three and

2:22

a half years old. And when I

2:24

asked you if I could bring him,

2:26

you said, will he be quiet. To

2:28

be fair I ask that of most

2:31

people who are going to come to

2:33

the show. Well, we're so happy that

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you're here, sniff you, and we're so

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happy that all of you are here.

2:40

And now, today, on Go Fact Yourself,

2:42

two guests will compete to answer questions

2:44

about facts they know, facts they may

2:46

not know, and frankly, facts they should

2:49

know. Plus, we'll meet actual experts on

2:51

two very different topics. And finally, we'll

2:53

meet actual experts on two very

2:55

different topics. And finally, we'll

2:58

declare one of our host

3:00

of mythbusters. And she is

3:02

an academy. award-nominated actor, a

3:05

world champion poker player, and

3:07

a cast member on the

3:09

Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.

3:12

It's Adam Savage and

3:14

Jennifer Tilly! Adam and

3:16

Jennifer! What a welcome!

3:18

Rockin! Hello beautiful people!

3:21

Amazing! Isn't it? It's

3:23

really you two and I can't decide

3:26

who I'm freaking out more about. I

3:28

told Adam earlier backstage that my younger

3:30

self would be mad if I didn't

3:32

tell him that I had seen every

3:34

episode of MythBusters. And Adam your reply

3:37

was, I'm not even sure I can

3:39

say that. Yes. Well there have been

3:41

so many. Almost 300. Wow. The thing I

3:43

like to point out is that MythBusters

3:45

shot for 42 weeks a year for

3:47

14 years. Wow. So when we signed our

3:49

last contract discovery said we have to

3:51

hand it to you no one's ever asked

3:54

to do less episodes We were like

3:56

we had 16 shooting days for each

3:58

episode at the end of the run Juries.

4:00

That's very cool. Jennifer, it's unusual

4:02

for an established working actor to

4:04

be on a reality show. What

4:06

made you want to be on

4:08

the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills?

4:10

Well, I was Real Housewives of

4:12

Beverly Hills super fan, and I thought,

4:14

well, it'll be like I crawled into

4:17

the TV. Like entering Willy Wunka Land.

4:19

You know, it's very stressful to be

4:21

on that show. But on the plus

4:23

side, I get toward my fabulous outfit.

4:25

So. You are wearing a fabulous outfit

4:28

right now. I put on false eyelashes,

4:30

that's what I live for, so... The

4:32

audience can hear the Chanel. Chanel

4:34

doesn't shout, it whispers. So if you

4:37

don't hear it, listen very carefully. Yes.

4:39

We're going to chat with you too

4:41

a little bit more later, but

4:43

we asked each of you to

4:45

provide us with a few topics

4:47

outside your field of work that

4:49

you know and love. Adam, for

4:51

you, you said that was Raymond

4:53

Chandler, juggling, and palindromes. Whereas Jennifer

4:55

you said that you know the

4:58

royal family, especially Harry and Megan,

5:00

jewelry designers, and the Beatles. I

5:02

sound very superficial. I wish I'd

5:04

said paladromes. Yes, nothing screams depth

5:06

more than the love of palindromes.

5:08

Well, later on we're going to

5:10

scream depth more than the love

5:12

of palindromes. Well, later on we're

5:14

going to ask each of you

5:16

some in-depth trivia questions about one

5:18

of those topics, but first we're

5:20

going to get an incorrect... or

5:22

incomplete answer, the other person has

5:24

a chance to steal. Your topic

5:26

today, dish the dirt. First up

5:28

in dish the dirt is Adam.

5:30

Adam, your question comes from a

5:32

listener. In fact, it comes from

5:34

two listeners. Who are they Helen?

5:37

I will let them tell you themselves

5:39

because we have an in-person listener question.

5:42

Listeners if you'd like to submit a

5:44

suggestion for our what's the difference round

5:46

go to go factor pod.com and click

5:49

on get involved. Okay take it away

5:51

listeners. Hello listeners. Hi I'm Jonathan Bodeo

5:53

and I'm Jonathan sister-in-law Carolyn

5:56

Bodeo and we're both from San

5:58

Francisco California. Our question

6:00

for what's the difference

6:02

is. Well both can get dirty

6:05

when you use them. What's the

6:07

difference between a dish and

6:09

a plate? Thanks for having us.

6:11

We love the pot and we

6:14

have to thank my sister who's

6:16

also here for introducing us.

6:18

Thank you so much. Local

6:20

San Francisco fans. I love

6:22

it. I love it so much. All

6:25

right, Adam, you heard the videos. What

6:27

is the difference between a dish and

6:29

a plate? A plate is a flat

6:32

piece of material and a dish

6:34

is an attractive woman. Ooh! Yes!

6:36

All right, we've got

6:38

Adams, perhaps problematic answer. We

6:40

don't know yet if he's entirely

6:42

correct. Jennifer, anything like to change

6:45

or add to try to steal? I

6:47

would say a dish is probably around

6:49

cylindrical object that's smaller and then a

6:51

plate is larger. And sometimes perhaps you

6:54

put the dish on the plate. Like

6:56

if you're at a fancy restaurant, you

6:58

have the beautiful plate in front of

7:00

you and like, oh my food is

7:03

going to look good at this. And

7:05

then when they bring your food, they

7:07

take that away and they replace it

7:10

with a dish. All right, well this

7:12

segment is becoming disappointing. Let's go

7:14

to Helen Hong at the judges

7:16

table. The doors are locked for

7:18

the facts. Here are the facts.

7:21

A dish is used to cook

7:23

or serve food, often for multiple

7:25

people. It can be any shape

7:28

and can be flat or deep.

7:30

A plate holds the portions of

7:33

food, usually for one person. It's

7:35

almost always flat and usually circular.

7:37

Additionally, almost any kitchen item can

7:40

be grouped into the collective of

7:42

dishes. Glasses, forks, and spatulas all

7:44

go into the dish washer. Even

7:47

though they are not dishes. And

7:49

that's why you say. Do the dishes and

7:51

not do the plates. That's right. Now if

7:53

you look at how the words themselves are

7:56

used, you can see that salad plates are

7:58

for salads, dinner plates are for dinner. And

8:00

Chicago Deep Dish is for tourists.

8:02

Helen, how did our guest do?

8:04

Adam, I'm gonna give you one point.

8:06

You were correct on plate. You were

8:08

not correct on dish. In many ways,

8:10

you were not correct on dish. In

8:13

many ways, you were not correct

8:15

on dish. So I'm gonna give

8:17

you one point for Adam. All

8:19

right. All right, up next, in-dish,

8:21

the dirt is Jennifer with dirt.

8:23

Jennifer, while they both indicate that

8:25

something is dirty, what's between filth

8:27

and grime. Filth and Brime. Oh

8:29

God. Filth is something like if

8:31

somebody dumps a big bucket of mud

8:33

or something on top of you. And

8:35

grime is something that has accumulated over

8:38

time. I have been filthy and I

8:40

have been grime. Yes, you have. All

8:42

right, we've got Jennifer's wonderful answer.

8:44

We don't know yet if she

8:46

is entirely correct. Adam, what do

8:48

you think? Well, I have also

8:50

been filthy and I've also been

8:52

grime. Yes, I've seen every episode

8:55

of misbusters. I feel like crime

8:57

is oily and filth is powdery.

8:59

All right, well, this segment

9:01

needs to take a dirt

9:03

nap. Let's go to Helen

9:06

Hong at the judges table

9:08

for the facts. Here are

9:10

the facts. filth is something

9:12

disgusting or foul, but which

9:14

can be easy to clean.

9:17

No. I was gesturing like,

9:19

I think you were more

9:21

correct. Oh my God. Wow, the

9:24

competition! I'm sweating! Geez! is something

9:26

disgusting or foul, but which can

9:28

be easy to clean, like fresh

9:30

dog poop on a tile floor.

9:33

Grim is something that didn't necessarily

9:35

start out as gross or hard

9:37

to clean, but became ingrained in

9:40

a surface and now is difficult

9:42

to clean. Like oil splatter from

9:44

a pan that you let sit

9:47

on your stovetub for months, of

9:49

course I don't have that

9:51

problem because I don't cook. That's

9:53

right. Filth also comes in pieces, whereas

9:55

Grim is a surface covering. of the

9:58

word grime comes from the old French

10:00

meaning mask because it covers a surface

10:02

like a mask. Although if you're using

10:04

grime as a mask, please see a

10:06

dermatologist. Helen, how did our guest do?

10:09

I think I'm going to give Jennifer two

10:11

points. Yes, yes, yes. Yes, yes, yes.

10:13

That is totally correct. Yes, yes, yes.

10:15

All right, well now let's get to

10:17

know our guests a little bit better

10:19

Adam Savage you of course have done

10:21

lots of work in the special effects

10:23

industry including for Star Wars and Matrix

10:25

movies You've written a best-selling book you

10:27

make fine art sculptures and you hosted

10:29

those 14 seasons of mythbusters and your

10:31

YouTube channel Adam Savage is tested has

10:33

nearly seven million subscribers Wow very very

10:35

cool Well, one of the things that

10:37

you do on the tested channel is

10:39

you make these elaborate costumes so that

10:41

you can walk around at Comic-Con incognito.

10:44

For those who aren't as familiar, tell

10:46

the people what goes into making one

10:48

of those costumes. Everything goes into making

10:50

one of those costumes. Everything goes

10:52

into making one of those costumes. Wait,

10:55

for example, what kind of costume? So

10:57

one of my favorite franchises to go

10:59

after for costuming is studio jibly films.

11:01

So I made no-face costume twice from

11:04

the movie spirited away. mouth, maw, teeth,

11:06

eating everything in sight. Because the second

11:08

time you wanted to actually drink water.

11:10

What's most spectacular when you really go all

11:12

out in making a costume is that it

11:15

affects the people that you're running into and

11:17

on a con floor it's like theater but

11:19

audience and performers are blurred and it's one

11:21

of my favorite spaces. Only, well are the

11:23

things that you see that you're in costume

11:25

that you don't see when you're out of

11:27

costume? It's funny what I notice when I'm

11:29

in costume. First of all, whenever anyone takes

11:32

a photo I smile even though I'm totally

11:34

covered. It's called being professional. Yeah, yeah, but

11:36

the other one is I'm looking at other

11:38

people in costume and like wearing a whole

11:40

costume is Uncomfortable. It's always balls hot

11:42

and it's that's part of the

11:44

experience So I look at other

11:46

people wearing costumes and they're uncomfortable

11:48

and I'm like yeah brother. Yes

11:50

You feel camaraderie with others. Exactly

11:53

commitment. You're committed. Oh my god, and

11:55

nobody knows it's you under there. Yes,

11:57

although I have become sort of my own feedback

11:59

loop so If some people know I'm

12:01

going to a con, they'll go up

12:03

to everyone wearing a full costume and

12:06

go, Adam? And sometimes those people will

12:08

go, yes. I've had people being like,

12:10

I ran into you in Kansas City

12:12

and I'm like, I wasn't there this

12:15

year. Well, I do have to ask

12:17

again about mythbusters. You did over 250

12:19

episodes, over 1,000 myths. What would you

12:22

say was the final count of how

12:24

many were confirmed, plausible, or busted? Plausible

12:26

was the smallest category. I think we

12:28

busted more than we confirmed. Yeah. And

12:31

then was there one particular one that

12:33

really stuck out to you as being like,

12:35

oh, I love this one. Well, if you're

12:37

a golfer, the detents, the little dimples on

12:39

a golf ball, help it fly farther farther.

12:42

And we did it, we took a full-size

12:44

car, we covered it with clay, we brought

12:46

in some automotive students from the Academy of

12:48

Art, and we did a fuel test with

12:50

it without detents, and then a fuel test

12:52

with it weighing the same with detents, and

12:55

it had a 14% improvement in fuel efficiency.

12:57

What? And that was one of my favorite,

12:59

when we filmed the finale of that. Jamie

13:01

and I are opening the trunk of the

13:03

car and reading the results from our fuel

13:05

cell. We didn't let them cover it a

13:07

second time because our reaction was so genuine,

13:09

we're like, you're never gonna get this again.

13:11

Let's wrap the episode right there. And that's

13:13

why I don't fix the body damage in

13:15

my car. Because... The Aerodynamics.

13:17

All right, Jennifer, of course, people

13:20

know you as an actor. You've

13:22

been on Broadway, on TV, including

13:24

in Family Guy, in Chucky, movies

13:26

including Liar, Liar, Bound, Monsters, Inc.,

13:28

and Bullets Over Broadway, for which

13:31

you were nominated for an Academy

13:33

Award. Thank you. Thank you. And as

13:35

a poker player, you're winning total over

13:37

a million dollars, and you won a

13:40

gold bracelet at the World Series Series

13:42

of Poker. Thank you. I play on

13:44

a television show called High Stakes Poker and

13:46

it is very high stakes. People have been

13:49

known to lose a million dollars in one

13:51

session. I feel like poker isn't actually poker

13:53

unless it causes extreme pain to people. If

13:55

you go out and you play poker with your

13:57

friends and you go home going, that was

13:59

really... fun I won six dollars and 57

14:01

cents I think I'll buy a loaf of

14:04

bread that's not poker that's also

14:06

not the price of a loaf

14:08

of bread in San Francisco Let

14:10

me ask you about the real house-wise

14:12

of Beverly Hills. You mentioned that you

14:15

were a super fan of the show

14:17

and then now you're on it But

14:19

you are not actually a real housewife

14:21

per se They said you want to

14:23

be a housewife or a friend of

14:25

and I'm kind of lazy and a

14:27

friend of takes a lot last time

14:30

You go on all the trips you

14:32

go to all the parties, but you

14:34

don't have to have those deep personal

14:36

conversations that the other girls have and

14:38

I'm not really into deep personal conversation

14:40

There's not really friendships, there's alliances. You

14:43

jump in, you're like, I gotta get

14:45

me an alliance, I gotta give me

14:47

an alliance. But aside from all the

14:49

shouting and mean girl behavior, it's been

14:51

sort of fun. I'm kind of enjoying

14:54

it. I felt the same way about

14:56

college. And I've heard you say in

14:58

interviews that it's actually way harder than

15:00

acting. It is harder than acting because,

15:02

well, for example, you see right

15:04

now I have a bubbly vibrant

15:06

personality. Well, it's really easy to

15:09

be entertaining for less than an

15:11

hour, but when you're shooting for

15:13

17-hour days, the cheerful fun part

15:15

of you starts to fade away,

15:17

and then your true dark nature

15:19

begins to emerge. I gotta push

15:21

it down like... Down, down, there's

15:23

cameras here. Meanwhile, the producers, they want

15:26

up, up, up, up. Yes, yes. Yeah.

15:28

Last one I asked you about, you

15:30

have such a distinct and instantly recognizable

15:32

voice, did you always see that as an

15:34

asset? Well, I used to have a really

15:36

little girl voice, and it helped me with

15:38

such an asset in the 80s, because the

15:40

telemarketers will call, and I'd be like, little

15:42

girl, is your mother home? And I'd be

15:44

like, no, no, no, she's, she's, she's not

15:46

here, here, here, here, and they're not here,

15:48

and they're not here, and they're, and they're,

15:50

and they're my timber. dropped a little bit.

15:52

But I remember in the beginning when I

15:55

came to Hollywood, it worked both ways. People

15:57

were like, I love her voice so much,

15:59

I gotta catch. in this and other people

16:01

are saying no way is that voice going

16:03

to be in my movie. I've got to

16:05

say just you doing the voice just now

16:08

I was like oh my god I sort

16:10

of changed my voice a little when I'm

16:12

acting like when I do Tiffany she's a

16:14

doll so she has little tiny doll lungs

16:17

and I don't know what you talk with

16:19

what do you talk with smart guy a

16:21

soft dog? Your voice voice vocal cords.

16:24

I think it's the palindrome that

16:26

you use right? So she

16:28

has a little tiny

16:30

plastic paladrome, so Tim. So Tim

16:32

and he talks like this, she

16:34

talks like, Jackie, you said we

16:36

weren't going to kill anymore. So

16:39

that's very different from how I

16:41

talk. Yeah. I talk like Kathleen

16:43

Turner, right? We call it range.

16:46

All right, well, it's wonderful to

16:48

have both Adam Savage and Jennifer

16:50

Tilly here. Thank you so much.

16:53

And Helen, what is our score

16:55

going into the break? At the end

16:57

of that awesome first round, Adam Savage has one

16:59

point and Jennifer Tilly has two points. But those

17:02

scores are bound to change as we move

17:04

on to questions about topics our guests have

17:06

chosen for themselves. That's all up ahead when

17:08

we come back on Go Fact Yourself. Hey

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get your podcasts Welcome

18:31

back to Go Fact Yourself with

18:33

our guests Adam Savage and Jennifer

18:35

Tilly. Once again, here's Jay Keith

18:37

Van Stratton. Thank you so much

18:39

everybody. Thank you, Helen. Adam

18:42

of your many interests you told us

18:44

that you know and love Raymond Chandler

18:46

juggling and palindromes Let's find out a

18:48

little bit more about each of those

18:50

first tell us what Raymond Chandler means

18:53

to you He's a mystery author. He

18:55

wrote seven books He's also a late

18:57

bloomer. He didn't start writing until his

18:59

mid 40s He was an late bloomer.

19:01

He didn't start writing until his mid

19:03

40s He was an accountant until then

19:05

and he wrote these seven books the

19:07

high window the big sleep the

19:10

long goodbye and others and they

19:12

comprised he thought about and structured

19:14

his hero and their journey that

19:16

has sort of informed my internal

19:19

mechanics for my whole life. Oh really? And

19:21

I put it on my personal ad

19:23

and it's what made my wife reach

19:25

out to me 21 years ago. Wow!

19:27

Wow! Like your matchmaker from the

19:29

grave. Sometimes when you celebrate loving

19:32

what you love you find love.

19:34

Indeed. Amazing. All right next tell

19:36

us why you know when love

19:38

juggling. It's what made your wife reach out

19:41

to you. Yes. Well, I got into

19:43

juggling at 15 and that led to

19:45

three or four years of studying circus

19:47

arts. Hello ladies. Juggling was the first

19:50

skill that taught me how to learn

19:52

skills. I would practice a trick and

19:54

not get it and then I'd wake

19:56

up the next morning and the trick

19:59

would be in. hands and I learned

20:01

that your body ferments these things when

20:03

you layer them in and that's informed

20:05

sort of my general skill acquisition for

20:07

my whole life. So you recommend that

20:09

if you're trying to learn something you're

20:11

not getting it go to sleep? Yes.

20:13

Okay yes that is my advice always.

20:16

Excellent. So doesn't work for like most of

20:18

the things I'm trying to learn. And

20:20

finally Adam tell us why it

20:22

is that you know in love

20:24

and perhaps what are palindromes. A

20:26

palindrome is a word or phrase

20:28

that is spelled the same backwards

20:31

as forwards, like the name Hannah

20:33

with an H at both ends.

20:35

More complicated palindromic sentences are things

20:37

like a man, a plan, a

20:39

canal, Panama, or Satan, oscillate my

20:41

metallic sonatas. Whoa! That one didn't

20:43

make the personal ladd, huh? I

20:45

think I have every book ever

20:48

written on palindromes. I corresponded

20:50

with two of the

20:52

authors of palindrome books.

20:54

Oh, you go hard.

20:56

I'm a completeness. I'm

20:58

a deep completeness. And

21:00

there is a famous

21:02

palindrome that involves your first

21:04

name. Oh, yes, madam, I'm

21:06

Adam. There it is. And

21:08

in fact, a second one

21:10

is madam in Eden, I'm

21:13

Adam. Wait, before we

21:15

move on, I have to

21:17

ask Jennifer, you now know

21:20

what a palindrome is.

21:22

Yes, I do, and

21:24

I'm sorry I do. I'm

21:26

gonna stay awake enough. Well,

21:29

in the, in the spirit

21:31

of palindromes,

21:33

wow. It makes me feel so

21:36

dumb. So Adam, let's talk about Raymond

21:38

Chandler. What is your favorite work of

21:40

his? Actually, my favorite work of his

21:42

is an essay, a nonfiction essay, he

21:44

wrote about his hero called The Simple

21:46

Art of Murder. Oh, wow, neat. The

21:48

essay is largely about Hammett. San Francisco's

21:50

own Dashal Hammett. And he specifically writes

21:52

that until Hammett, murder was like Agatha

21:54

Christie. It was done in drawing rooms

21:56

and by the butler. And in this

21:58

essay, he said, Hammett gave. murder back

22:00

to the kind of people that committed

22:02

it. All right, Adam, well, just ahead,

22:04

we're going to list the help of

22:07

a bona fide expert in your topic

22:09

with our question worth up to three

22:11

points. But before that, to let you

22:13

show your love even more, here are

22:15

five trivia questions about your topic, each

22:17

worth one point. If you want to

22:19

hear a lot of hint for any

22:21

two of these five questions. Now, Jennifer,

22:23

do listen closely, because if Adam

22:26

answers incorrectly, you could steal. All

22:28

right, well here is question

22:30

number one. Raymond Chandler was

22:32

born in Chicago and spent

22:35

much of his childhood in

22:37

London. In 1912 though, he

22:39

came back to the US,

22:41

living for a while in

22:43

what wonderful major Northern

22:45

California city. San Francisco.

22:48

Ellen? That is correct. Fun fact,

22:50

while in San Francisco, Chandler took

22:53

a correspondence course in bookkeeping. He

22:55

left San Francisco for Los Angeles,

22:57

where he promptly got a job

22:59

as a bookkeeper. That's back when

23:01

education worked. Question number two, I

23:03

have a feeling you're going to

23:05

know this one. Chandler famously wrote

23:07

detective novels. His early ones, with

23:10

hard-boiled investigators named Ted Carmody, John

23:12

Dalmus, and Mallory. But he hid

23:14

his stride with his most famous

23:16

character. The detective in The Big

23:18

Sleep, farewell My Lovelyal. Philip Marlow.

23:20

Ellen, that is correct. That is

23:22

correct, of course. Fun facts, Chandler

23:24

often repurposed elements from early non-Marlow

23:27

stories into Marlow stories, a process

23:29

he called cannibalization, but today we

23:31

would call lazy. In fact, he

23:33

actually suppressed the publication of those

23:35

early stories from the black mask

23:37

magazine because they showed so much

23:40

of his process. Oh, interesting. All

23:42

right, very good. And a bonus

23:44

fun fact, thank you. All right,

23:46

you're two for two. Here's question

23:48

number three. Although we think of Chandler

23:50

as a great success now, it came to

23:52

him much later in life than people might

23:55

realize, in what decade of life was he

23:57

when his first full-length novel was published. His

23:59

fourth decade. Ellen? That is not correct.

24:01

No, I'm terribly sorry. A chance

24:03

for Jennifer to steal. I would

24:05

say the fifth decade. Ellen? That is

24:07

correct. A successful steel! Well, God,

24:10

chili! Yes, yes, yes! He started

24:12

writing in his 40s, but he started

24:14

writing in his 40s, but the first

24:16

novel was not published until then. Color

24:18

me in four? Fun fact, he was

24:21

age 51 when the big sleep was

24:23

published. I was age 15 when I

24:25

first read it, by which I mean

24:27

I was supposed to read it. All

24:29

right, let's if you can bounce back,

24:31

here's question four. You do still have

24:33

your hints available. Raymond Chandler was

24:35

friends with James Bond creator, Ian

24:38

Fleming, and Fleming is notorious for

24:40

his character names, like Plenty O'Toole

24:42

and Pussy Gallore. And Chandler was

24:44

no slouch when it came to

24:46

suggestive character names, too. But which

24:49

one of the following is not

24:51

a character name created by Chandler?

24:53

Is it Bunny Manchester, Frisky

24:56

Levant, Harriet Huntress, or Carmen

24:58

Sternwood? Can you read those

25:00

five again? Gladly. I know

25:02

the last two are real

25:05

Chandler. Bunny Manchester, Frisky Levant,

25:07

Linda conquest. Could I have

25:09

a hint? Helen, how about

25:12

that first hint? Frisky Levant

25:14

is a name created by

25:17

Chandler. Bunny Manchester. Helen?

25:19

That is correct. Nice use

25:21

of the hint. Fun

25:24

fact, you know how people say

25:26

your porn star name is the

25:28

name of your first pet plus

25:30

the name of the street that

25:32

you grew up on? Well Bunny

25:34

Manchester is the porn star name

25:36

of Helen Hong It's true All right,

25:39

that is correct. Here's now question

25:41

number five Chandler's final book, Poodle

25:43

Springs, was started by Chandler in

25:45

1958 and left unfinished when he

25:47

died in 1959. In what year

25:49

was it completed by another noted

25:51

crime author, Robert B. Parker? Oh,

25:53

I was hoping it would be

25:56

who finished the book for him.

25:58

Oh, I'll take that hint. Helen,

26:00

how about that second end? It

26:02

was 100 years after he was

26:04

born. Gosh, okay, the big sleep,

26:06

he's 51, big sleep comes out

26:08

in the 40s, 1988. Helen? That

26:10

is correct. Wow, wow! Wow! Wow!

26:12

Very impressive! That was amazing! I

26:14

did not think you were going

26:16

to pull that off with you

26:18

on this. You and I are

26:20

on the same page now. I

26:22

thought the hint was harder than

26:24

the question. Fun facts. Ten years

26:26

later, Poodle Springs was adapted into

26:28

a TV movie with Philip Marlowe

26:30

played by James Kahn. The movie

26:32

won an award for color correction.

26:34

Which is weird because it was

26:36

in black and white. No, no,

26:38

I'm kidding, it was not. All

26:40

right, Adam, you obviously did very

26:42

well in that round, but now

26:44

here's your expert level question that

26:46

requires multiple answers. It is time

26:48

for your cluster fact. Oh, nice.

26:50

We'll be bringing on an expert

26:52

to discuss your response. Adam, Raymond Chandler's

26:54

work is closely associated with the

26:56

genre called noir, and not just

26:58

in his books. His screenplays helped

27:00

create the genre of film noir.

27:02

Interestingly, however, none of the screenplays

27:04

he himself wrote were based on

27:06

his own novels or short stories.

27:09

For up to three points, for

27:11

which two quintessential examples of film

27:13

Noir did Chandler receive Oscar nominations

27:15

for Best Screenplay? And in a

27:17

very brief on-screen cameo in one

27:19

of them, what type of publication is

27:21

Raymond Chandler himself seen reading? Double

27:23

indemnity is definitely one of them.

27:25

Okay? Oh my god, I don't

27:27

know what the other one is.

27:29

Really, nothing is coming to mind.

27:31

Okay, no worries, stories. And then

27:33

the other question was in one

27:35

of those films, he has a

27:37

cameo, what type of publication is

27:39

he seen reading? A type of

27:41

publication. Black Mask, the magazine, a

27:43

magazine? A magazine? A magazine? A

27:45

magazine? A magazine. All right, Helen is

27:47

taking note of those answers. of

27:49

Noir, Eddie Mueller. Eddie Mueller! It

27:51

is great to be here. You

27:53

know, I live in Alameda, where

27:55

you guys did MythBusters for all

27:57

those years. Sorry about that. It's

27:59

wonderful to be here with Violet

28:01

from Bound. Thank you. Oh, very

28:03

good. Well Eddie, let's go for

28:05

some of your bonafides in addition

28:07

to your work as host of

28:09

the weekly Noir Alley show on

28:11

Turner Classic Movies You are the

28:13

founder and president of the Film Noir

28:16

Foundation You produce and host Noir

28:18

City the San Francisco Film Noir

28:20

Festival and you've written several books

28:22

about Noir including Dark City The

28:24

Lost World of Film Noir, which

28:26

was named recently by the Hollywood

28:28

reporter as one of the 100

28:30

greatest film books of all time

28:32

Tell us about the mission of

28:34

the foundation and what you've been

28:36

able to accomplish. When I started

28:38

doing film festivals here in San

28:40

Francisco, 22 years ago now, there were

28:42

all these movies that I had

28:44

watched on television that when I

28:46

asked to get 35mm prints of

28:48

them, I was told nobody had

28:50

the prints, and so I made

28:52

it my mission going on 20-something

28:54

years now to find and restore

28:56

these films. We've done, I think,

28:58

35 movies now that we've restored,

29:00

and it's getting... tougher all the

29:02

time because of technology. But these

29:04

are 35 movies that would have

29:06

been lost to history if you found

29:09

out. Absolutely. And not just in

29:11

the United States, but overseas as

29:13

well. I found a treasure trove

29:15

of stuff in Argentina that people

29:17

don't really know much about Argentine

29:19

film history. They did some pretty

29:21

amazing noir films. And that's all

29:23

I do. Just noir films. I

29:25

don't do anything else. I am

29:27

really a specialist. Ergo, my appearance

29:29

on the show. Let's talk a

29:31

moment also about Noir City, the

29:33

San Francisco Film Noir Festival. It is

29:35

the largest Noir retrospective in the

29:37

world. And you actually got into

29:39

tour this festival to other cities

29:41

that's happening this year as well.

29:43

We do here in the Bay

29:45

Area. We're no longer actually the

29:47

San Francisco, we're the Bay Area

29:49

because I'm doing it in Oakland.

29:51

Seattle, Chicago, Boston, Austin, Austin, Texas,

29:53

we've done, Detroit, Philadelphia, and I've

29:55

traveled overseas with it as well.

29:57

I've actually done it at the

29:59

Cinema Tech Francaise in Paris. That

30:01

was amazing. They let me do an

30:04

entire month in Paris. And that

30:06

was amazing. They let me do

30:08

an entire month in Paris. Oh,

30:10

that's French. You gotta love the

30:12

French, right? Me, me. Let's talk

30:14

more about Raymond Chandler. What is

30:16

his place in the world of

30:18

crime fiction ever? I know so

30:20

many colleagues of mine who started

30:22

writing because of Raymond Chandler, because

30:24

he is the greatest prose stylist.

30:26

Well, of course, you've written about

30:28

Chandler in your books, you're also working

30:30

on a screenplay about him. Yes,

30:32

it's kind of weird. It's in

30:34

the early stages, but I've discovered

30:36

some fascinating things about the later

30:38

part of Chandler's life. There was

30:40

an interesting battle for his literary

30:42

estate towards the end of his

30:44

life that I'm hoping will make

30:46

for a good dramatic screenplay. He

30:48

was quite a character. He was

30:50

quite a character. Well, speaking of

30:52

screenplays, tell us this interesting fact,

30:54

because when I was doing research, I

30:57

was like, oh, and he wrote

30:59

the screenplay for Hitchcock Strangers on

31:01

a Train, you were telling me

31:03

that's not exactly true. He did

31:05

a screenplay for strangers on a

31:07

train. And even though his name

31:09

appears on the credits, Alfred Hitchcock

31:11

hated the screenplay, Chandler was not

31:13

a particularly great screenwriter. He really

31:15

never quite understood the form. So

31:17

a young woman named Chensey Ormond

31:19

actually wrote that screenplay for strangers

31:21

on a train. She gets a much

31:23

smaller credit. He hated Alfred Hitchcock.

31:25

And Alfred Hitchcock hated him. He

31:27

has an essay in which he

31:29

craps all over suspense in every

31:31

form and calls it an empty

31:33

shirt. He just so disses on

31:35

Hitchcock. Well, it's good to know

31:37

that everything's normal in Hollywood. None

31:39

of that Michigas happens nowadays. Isn't

31:41

there a Chandler movie they were

31:43

shooting? They couldn't figure out who

31:45

killed one of the characters and

31:47

they called him and he didn't know.

31:50

Yes, that was the famous story

31:52

about the big story. The plot

31:54

was so convoluted... Who killed Rusty,

31:56

right? Or something? It was... Who

31:58

killed Owen Taylor, the show fur?

32:00

And everybody was discussing it on

32:02

the set and they said, well,

32:04

let's call Chandler and he said,

32:06

hell if I know. Well, let's

32:08

get to the reason we brought

32:10

you here as far as our

32:12

game is concerned. You heard of

32:14

the question that we asked of

32:16

Adam. First, we wanted to know for

32:18

which two quintessential examples of Phil

32:20

Noir did Chandler receive Oscar nominations

32:22

for Best Greenplay? Helen, we know

32:24

that Adam was only able to

32:26

come up with one of those.

32:28

What was that answer? Just a

32:30

little side note on that one.

32:32

Just like the thing with Hitchcock.

32:34

He hated Billy Wilder He ended

32:36

Billy Wilder hate him He co-wrote

32:38

the script with and interesting thing

32:40

Never forgave him because when it

32:42

was nominated for the Oscar Chandler was

32:44

not invited to the ceremony. Oh,

32:46

okay. Well, that's a good reason

32:48

and Adam wasn't able to come

32:50

up with it. What was the

32:52

other screenplay that Chandler's play that

32:54

Chandler wrote? turning into a novel,

32:57

and so they needed one more

32:59

picture out of Alan Lad before

33:01

he went off to do his

33:03

military service. John Houseman, the producer,

33:05

said, how about this unfinished Chandler

33:07

novel, and he turned it into

33:09

a screenplay written, the legend has it,

33:11

when he was totally drunk. Again,

33:13

that never happens in Hollywood anymore,

33:15

yes. All right, and then finally

33:17

we wanted to know in a

33:19

very brief on-screen cameo in one

33:21

of those films that he wrote

33:23

What type of publication is Raymond

33:25

Chandler himself seen reading Helen? What

33:27

did Adam say? Adam said a

33:29

magazine and Eddie that is correct

33:31

That is right I wish I

33:33

could say it was black mask

33:35

Which is would be perfect, but no,

33:37

it's in he's sitting outside Edward

33:39

G Robinson's office in double indemnity

33:41

and Fred McMurray walks past him.

33:43

And even though Billy Wilder hated

33:45

his guts, he gave him a

33:47

cameo in the film, so he

33:49

could kind of sign it. Amazing.

33:51

Very great. Adam, do you have

33:53

anything you'd love to ask or

33:55

say to our expert? while he's

33:57

here. I'm curious of how you

33:59

feel being a San Francisco. There's

34:01

a dichotomy between Hammett and Chandler. I

34:04

am a huge Hammett fan and

34:06

actually know his daughter and his

34:08

granddaughter. Nothing happens without Hammett. He

34:10

is known more for the authenticity

34:12

of the crime element in his

34:14

because he actually did work as

34:16

a Pinkerton detective before he became

34:18

a writer. Well, and you said

34:20

his plots are clunky. Hamid famous,

34:22

sorry, Chandler famously wrote linearly. Like

34:24

he didn't know how it was

34:26

going to turn out when he

34:28

started. So it was a mystery

34:30

to him as well. Exactly. Well Eddie's

34:32

been wonderful that you joined us

34:34

if people want to find out

34:36

more about you and what you're

34:38

up to. Where can they do

34:40

that? You can go to the

34:42

website Eddie Mueller.com or if you're

34:44

more interested in the films you

34:46

can go to the website Eddie

34:48

Mueller.com or if you're interested in

34:50

the films you can go to.

34:52

Very cool. Thank you so much.

34:54

We'll be in the next edition.

34:56

Yes, good. Well, thank you so much

34:59

for walking these streets with us.

35:01

Eddie Mueller, everybody! Helen, what is

35:03

our sport at the end of

35:05

that round? Oh, at the end

35:07

of that round. Adam Savage has

35:09

seven points and Jennifer Tilly has

35:11

three points with a round of

35:13

questions for Jennifer coming up. That's

35:15

right. We're going to talk with

35:17

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35:19

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35:21

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35:23

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everybody. Thank you Helen. All

37:29

right, Jennifer of your many interests you

37:31

told us that you know about the

37:33

royal family, especially Harry and Megan, jewelry

37:35

designers and the Beatles. Let's find out

37:37

a little bit more about each of

37:40

those. First, tell us why you know,

37:42

but don't necessarily love the royal family,

37:44

especially Harry and Megan. But I was

37:46

a little girl and they were coming,

37:48

the royal family is coming to Powell

37:51

River, which is a very small town.

37:53

And so my mother dressed myself and

37:55

all my sisters and herself in red

37:57

in red. and they'll have to come

37:59

over. sort of like the royal visit

38:02

is let's make a deal. And did

38:04

they ask if you had a pepper

38:06

shaker in your purse? No, they did

38:08

not. But Prince Philip was very intrigued.

38:10

He wandered over. He said, who is

38:13

this? And we all talk in unison.

38:15

We went, we're the Tilly family from

38:17

Taxena Island. And he laughed. He thought

38:19

that was so funny. But that was,

38:22

you know, a wonderful moment in my

38:24

life. An epoch, as they say. And

38:26

then recently, oh, the drama with Megan

38:28

and Harry. It's a tragedy. It's salacious.

38:30

I love it. I'm like, oh dear,

38:33

this is really terribly tragic, isn't it?

38:35

Well, we know you're a Real Housewives

38:37

fan, so we know that you love

38:39

a good... I love drama fake or

38:41

not. All right, next tell us why

38:44

you know and love jewelry designers. I

38:46

always had these dreams of being showered

38:48

in jewels, so I read a lot

38:50

of books about jewelry and the master

38:52

jewelers, and yeah, I guess I'm sort

38:55

of a specialist jewelry. That makes me

38:57

sound very elitist, but you know, you

38:59

know, Cadetic and for sure, sure. It's

39:01

not a shopping phase. No, no, no.

39:04

Just the math of diamonds. Yes, that's

39:06

right. And then finally tell us why

39:08

you know and love The Beatles. It

39:10

was a huge event in our family

39:12

when they come home with the New

39:15

Beatles albums. So I know a lot

39:17

of the lyrics, I know a lot

39:19

of like who they dated. And you

39:21

know, they are. One of the greatest

39:23

bands of all time. I know people

39:26

arguing about that. I think they're being

39:28

respectful. I think they agree with you.

39:30

Well, to summarize Jennifer, you said that

39:32

you know the royal family, especially Harry

39:34

and Megan, jewelry designers, and the Beatles.

39:37

Today we want to quiz you about

39:39

The Beatles! All right. How do you

39:41

consume your Beatles music? Well, you know,

39:43

there's a station, it's on Sirius, it's

39:46

like Beatles. I don't know the name

39:48

of it, but it has all Beatles

39:50

stuff and trivia. So that's basically how

39:52

I do it. had a thing called

39:54

a record player! Well, just ahead, we're

39:57

going to list the help of a

39:59

modified expert in your topic with an

40:01

expert-level question with up to three points,

40:03

but before that, to let you show

40:05

your love, here are five trivia questions

40:08

about the topic, each worth one point.

40:10

If you wanted, of course, you're a

40:12

lot of hint for any two of

40:14

these five questions. Now, Adam, do listen

40:16

closely, because if Jennifer answers incorrectly, you

40:19

could steal. Adam, by the way, how

40:21

much do you know about the Beatles,

40:23

about the Beatles. I love the Beatles.

40:25

Actually, when the Sergeant Peppers had its,

40:27

they had an anniversary and my kids

40:30

were about seven or eight years old.

40:32

And I went to the record store

40:34

and bought Sergeant Peppers. I brought it

40:36

home and I put it on and

40:39

about ten minutes later, one of my

40:41

kids goes, oh dad, the lyrics are

40:43

want the album. So your kid is

40:45

from the Bronx. All right,

40:47

well here we go, Jennifer, here's

40:50

question number one. The Beatles' first

40:52

live concert as the Beatles was

40:55

in 1960 in Liverpool, England. Their

40:57

final full concert as the Beatles

40:59

took place in 1966 at Candlestick

41:02

Park in what wonderful major Northern

41:04

California City. San Francisco! Yes! Helen!

41:06

That is correct! pandering in both

41:09

segments. I had the same answer.

41:11

So in fact, the Beatles final

41:14

live performance, that famous rooftop show

41:16

in 1969 in London, was not

41:18

a full concert, just about 40

41:21

minutes. Candlestick Park, of course, is

41:23

where the San Francisco Giants baseball

41:25

team of the 1980s played, a

41:28

topic we covered in episode 159

41:30

of Go Fact Yourself. We got

41:32

Chili Davis, you should listen, it

41:35

was really fun. Here's question number

41:37

two. One of the most popular

41:40

photos to take in London is

41:42

of you and your friends walking

41:44

across a street, just like the

41:47

Beatles did on the cover of

41:49

the... Ellen. That is correct. I

41:51

even take my shoes off to

41:54

be like Paul when I cross

41:56

that street. Oh, you've done it

41:58

before. Yes. Fun fact, the Abbey

42:01

Road. crosswalk with broad white stripes

42:03

we in the US would call

42:06

a marched crosswalk in London they

42:08

would call it a zebra crossing

42:10

and in LA we would call

42:13

it ignored all right you're two

42:15

for two here's question number three

42:17

Jennifer one of the most famous

42:20

album covers of all time is

42:22

the Beatles 1967 album sergeant pepper's

42:24

lonely hearts club band yes No,

42:28

continue, please. Oh, thank you so

42:30

much. Don't put in with a

42:32

story about how you brought it

42:35

home to your Brooklyn kid. Daddy,

42:37

why are these singing so loud?

42:39

Why? Who are these blokes? One

42:42

of the most famous album covers

42:44

of all time is the Beatles'

42:46

1967 album, Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts

42:49

Club Band, which features depictions of

42:51

many famous faces. But which one

42:53

of the following does not appear

42:56

on the famous cover? Okay. Is

42:58

it child actor Shirley Temple, adult

43:00

actor Marilyn Monroe, boxer Sonny Liston,

43:03

singer Frank Sinatra, or comedian Lenny

43:05

Bruce? I know Shirley Temple is

43:07

on there. I know Marilyn Monroe

43:10

is on there. I know who

43:12

was the third person? Sunny Liston.

43:14

I don't know boxers. Oh Frank

43:16

Sinatra is on there, so I'm

43:19

nearing it down to Sunny Liston

43:21

or Lenny Bruce. It's probably, I'm

43:23

guessing a Sunny Liston, but give

43:26

me a hand. Helen, how about

43:28

that first hand? I'll give you

43:30

a double hint actually. Okay, Sunny

43:33

Liston and Lenny Bruce are depicted

43:35

on the cover. Oh my God.

43:37

Okay, then I guess it'll be

43:40

Frank Sinatra. Ellen. That is correct.

43:44

How clever I was to ask

43:46

for a hand. Yes, very nice

43:48

use of the hands. Fun fact,

43:50

Shirley Temple was actually depicted three

43:52

times on the cover. Oh goodness.

43:54

In 2007, the cover's artists, Sir

43:56

Peter Blake, confirmed that Adolf Hitler

43:58

is also there. Oh no. Though

44:00

his image is. almost entirely obscured

44:03

by the band. Good. You're taking

44:05

an anti-Hittler's dance on this show?

44:07

Okay. I'm afraid I am. All

44:10

right, you're three for three. Here's

44:12

question number four. The Beatles have

44:14

won many Grammy Awards, but only

44:16

one of them was for Song

44:19

of the Year. The Beatles did

44:21

not release this song as a

44:23

single in the US or the

44:25

UK, but the song was a

44:27

top 20 hit in 1966 in

44:29

1966 in 1966, when it was

44:32

covered by a duo called David

44:34

and Jonathan. What is this song?

44:36

David and Jonathan. Oh my God,

44:38

this is the hardest question ever.

44:40

You did another hint available? I

44:42

would like to use that hint,

44:45

please. Both of this song is

44:47

sung in, uh, uh, how you

44:49

say, French. Michel Marble. Ellen? That

44:51

is correct. That is correct. Lucky

44:53

I know, French as well as

44:55

the Beatles. Fun fact, neither of

44:58

the duo David and Jonathan were

45:00

named David or Jonathan. Wow. They

45:02

were both named Roger, Roger Greenway

45:04

and Roger Cook, a songwriting team

45:06

with several hits, including I'd like

45:08

to teach the world to sing,

45:11

used in a famous commercial for

45:13

Coke. Yes. They also had a

45:15

hit with Michelle. All right, you

45:17

have a chance to go five

45:19

for five, you can get this

45:21

question correct. You have no more

45:24

hints available, though. That's all right.

45:26

I'm smart. I got this. Speaking

45:28

of commercials, Beatles songs weren't used

45:30

in commercials until 1987, when a

45:32

huge company became the first to

45:34

run a TV ad with an

45:37

officially licensed Beatles song. What was

45:39

the brand being advertised? TV 1987.

45:41

Huge company. I guess it would

45:43

be album music. Helen. That is

45:45

not correct. Does he get this

45:47

deal? Well, I'm about to say.

45:50

Do you know the answer to

45:52

this? You better not know the

45:54

answer to this. I will punch

45:56

you out in the dressing room.

45:58

Adam, if you dare with a

46:00

chance to steal. I feel like

46:03

I know that the song is

46:05

revolution, okay? But I- Oh, it

46:07

isn't, I know who the company

46:09

is. If you don't know the

46:11

company I'm going to steal from

46:13

him. Yes. Yes. General Motors. Helen

46:16

is a General Motors. It is

46:18

not General Motors. No. Jennifer was

46:20

a chance to resteal. Nike. Helen?

46:22

That is correct. Yes, correct. I

46:24

don't know what we do here

46:26

though. But I'm not going to

46:29

give you the point, Jennifer. Can

46:31

we get half a point each?

46:33

fun fact Nike paid $500,000 to

46:35

use the song half of which

46:37

went to the Beatles music rights

46:39

holder at the time Michael Jackson

46:42

oh God fortunately that was the

46:44

only weird thing he ever did

46:46

Jennifer you obviously did very well

46:48

in that topic but now it

46:50

is time for your expert level

46:52

question that requires multiple answers it

46:55

is time for your cluster facts

46:57

okay We'll be bringing on an

46:59

expert to discuss your response. Thank

47:01

God! Jennifer, one particular Beatles album

47:03

is truly a study in contrast.

47:05

It's got a minimalist name and

47:08

minimalist cover, but some maximalist music.

47:10

The way album! It's their longest

47:12

album. Contains their longest release studio

47:14

song and their longest song title.

47:16

For up to three points, what

47:18

is that longest Beatles song? What

47:21

is that longest song title and

47:23

what is the title of that

47:25

album? Oh dear. I think you

47:27

might have one of them. Okay.

47:29

My answers are, the white album.

47:31

Revolution number nine is the longest

47:34

song and the longest song title.

47:36

I'll just take a stab at

47:38

it, A Day in the Life.

47:40

All right, Helen is taking note

47:42

of those answers. We've been expert

47:44

on hand who can tell us

47:47

for sure. Helen, who do we

47:49

have tonight? Joining us tonight is

47:51

an award-winning musician, singer, and songwriter

47:53

who co-hosts the Musical Mystery Tour

47:55

on the Beatles channel on Serious

47:57

XN. It's Tao Bachman! Hi,

48:00

Tal. Well, Tal, it's so wonderful

48:02

to have it here. In addition

48:05

to the show that you host

48:07

about The Beatles, we heard that

48:09

Jennifer, of course, listens to The

48:11

Beatles Channel on Series XM. You

48:14

are a musician in your own

48:16

right. You had a smash hit

48:18

with the song, She's So High,

48:20

which, yeah, which spent 28 weeks

48:23

on the Billboard Hot 100. You

48:25

also tour as the iconic rock

48:27

band, Bachman Turner Over Drive. Tell

48:32

us about being in that band with

48:34

your father and playing that music. He

48:36

started BTO after he was in a

48:38

band called The Guess Who. So it

48:41

was only recently that he recovered the

48:43

BTO name rights. So we've kind of...

48:45

put BTO back together and we've been

48:47

playing shows this year and we've got

48:49

a whole bunch of shows coming up

48:51

this year. Well your dad also co-hosts

48:53

the show that you have on the

48:55

Beatles channel. Tell us about how you

48:57

too came to host a show and

48:59

what the Beatles mean to you too.

49:01

Dad had done for many years a

49:03

CBC radio show called Vinyl Tap. The

49:05

Beatles thing kind of was presented to

49:08

him. He said well why don't we

49:10

do it together? So we came up

49:12

with this idea of not really talking

49:14

about the history stuff. Only doing the

49:16

songcraft stuff. So we thought maybe there

49:18

would be a niche on that channel

49:20

for nerds and songwriters You know Maybe

49:22

craftsmen of sorts or whatever. We did

49:24

the song breakdowns and how did they

49:26

put the bridges together in the choruses

49:28

and what are all the little, I

49:30

won't say tricks, but techniques. Were you

49:32

both huge Beatles fans? Yeah, he was

49:35

a fanatic and then I was a

49:37

little kid and I kind of inherited

49:39

the fanaticism as those Beatles. That was

49:41

the case for you. It was a

49:43

long time ago now. One day actually,

49:45

he had an early video recorder. This

49:47

was in the 1970. It was on

49:49

television one night and I watched that

49:51

over and over again just thinking I

49:53

was seven or something. It's interesting because

49:55

your reason for being in the area

49:57

this weekend actually is related to the

50:00

Beatles. Tell us what you've been out

50:02

playing. We did three shows. over the

50:04

last few days where we played the

50:06

entire white album. Start to finish. You

50:08

probably know the answer to this question.

50:10

Where did that idea come from and

50:12

what's that experience been like? With dad,

50:14

I wound up on one of those

50:16

rock and roll cruises, so we met

50:18

a bunch of the other guys from

50:20

the other bands. And so this crew

50:22

of people were Peter Asher's backup band.

50:24

Peter Asher was famously from Peter and

50:27

Gordon, and his sister dated Paul for

50:29

some years, and Peter's still a great

50:31

force in the music industry. And it

50:33

was their idea to do the Beatles

50:35

show. and they invited me to play

50:37

with them so I can't get it.

50:39

Peter actually has been an expert on

50:41

our show before as has known to

50:43

Juber who I believe is in your

50:45

band as well. Well he was with

50:47

us. Okay. How long does that take

50:49

to play the entire white album life?

50:51

90 minutes or so? Oh if you

50:54

cut out the longest song in the

50:56

album, do you mean? Well they asked

50:58

me to sing that one. And the

51:00

whole intro of that song, it's strange,

51:02

like she's not a girl who misses

51:04

much. Oh yeah. I'll say, I mean,

51:06

I'd listen to that song a gazillion

51:08

times, but I'd never actually sat down

51:10

and tried to count out the bars,

51:12

right? Because now I have to sing

51:14

it and play it live and that

51:16

Mother Superior jumped the gun. Mother Superior.

51:18

I never actually realized, even though I've

51:21

been doing the Beatles show, like doing

51:23

the song breakdowns for a few years,

51:25

but we'd never... dove into that one

51:27

and the timing is so strange there's

51:29

there's five four bars there's a seven

51:31

four bar there's it and to play

51:33

it and sing it yeah that was

51:35

tough very good we got through it

51:37

I always think of it as the

51:39

first wings song That one? Because it

51:41

changes to so many different genres. That's

51:43

when I asked you about we mentioned

51:45

that you had a hit song called

51:48

She So High. Not only was it

51:50

hit song, it won a song of

51:52

the Year Award, it won two Juno

51:54

Awards. I was curious to read, it

51:56

actually was inspired by another hit song.

51:58

If it makes you happy, the Cheryl

52:00

Crow song. I heard in the mall

52:02

one day on the... the mall stereo

52:04

and I just thought man this killer

52:06

quartz on the chorus and great ride

52:08

symbol and I have to steal that

52:10

you know if there's one thing daddy

52:12

taught me who all of his hits

52:15

on right now steal from the best

52:17

that's right I mean my dad is

52:19

like the most gleeful thief of all

52:21

but it's funny because when you read

52:23

the old Beatles interviews They're all saying

52:25

the same thing. Yeah, well you don't

52:27

steal from the ones that aren't hits.

52:29

You steal from the ones that aren't

52:31

hits. You steal from the ones that

52:33

aren't hits. All right, well let's get

52:35

to the reason we brought the question

52:37

that we asked of Jennifer. First we

52:40

wanted to know. What is the longest

52:42

Beatles album Helen? What did Jennifer say?

52:44

Jennifer said the white album. And Tal?

52:46

Yes. Yes, that's correct. That's the point

52:48

for Jennifer. Next, we wanted to know

52:50

what is the longest Beatles song that

52:52

is on that album. Helen, what did

52:54

Jennifer say? Jennifer said revolution number nine.

52:56

And Tal? Correct. Another point for Jennifer.

52:58

And finally wanted to know also on

53:00

that album, what is the longest Beatles

53:02

song title? Helen, what did Jennifer say?

53:04

Jennifer said a day in the life.

53:07

I'm guessing that's not even on that

53:09

album. And Tal, is that five-word title,

53:11

the longest of any Beatles of any

53:13

Beatles song? Everybody's got something to hide.

53:15

Except for me and my monkey. Except

53:17

they don't put the word for in

53:19

the title. Oh, how weird. Yeah, they

53:21

say it in the song. It's a

53:23

mystery. Well, I thought that would trip

53:25

you up. The four is implied. An

53:27

implied for. Is there anything that you

53:29

want to ask her say to Tao

53:31

while you have them here? Yoko Ono.

53:34

Did they all really hate her as

53:36

much? And you really think she was

53:38

responsible for breaking up. Scapego. Yes. Well,

53:40

you saw that documentary, right? Yes. I

53:42

mean, she was every musician's dream. She

53:44

was the girlfriend that just kind of

53:46

came along and watched you play with

53:48

your buddies and right so. And was

53:50

an incredible artist in her own right.

53:52

Yeah, so yeah, I think she was

53:54

kind of a scapegoat. All right, well,

53:56

Tal's been so wonderful that you joined

53:58

us. people want to find out more

54:01

about you and what you're up to?

54:03

Where can they do that? We're touring

54:05

all around. So in the next four,

54:07

five weeks, all the dates for 2025

54:09

will be released. Excellent. How exciting. Well,

54:11

thank you so much for joining us.

54:13

Thanks for coming. Thanks everybody. It's Cal

54:15

Buckman. Helen, what is our scores? We

54:17

head into the final round. Adam Savage

54:19

has seven and a half points and

54:21

Jennifer till he has nine and a

54:23

half points. And now

54:25

it is time for a final

54:28

round we call fast facts. I'll

54:30

read 10 statements and each contestant

54:32

will answer with true or false.

54:35

I'll start with Adam and then

54:37

alternate. Each correct answer is worth

54:39

one point. Again, please answer each

54:41

statement with true or false and

54:44

we will go fast. Here we

54:46

begin. Adam Levi's jeans were invented

54:48

in San Francisco. True. Jennifer, Bank

54:50

of California was founded in San

54:53

Francisco. Both incorrect. No, it really

54:55

was. Adam, Bank of Italy was

54:57

founded in San Francisco. True. Correct.

54:59

Yes, it was. Random. Jennifer, the

55:02

United Nations was founded in San

55:04

Francisco. True, correct. Yes, the conference

55:06

and charter were signed here. Adam,

55:08

Sky Vodco was invented in San

55:11

Francisco. True. Correct. Jennifer, the fortune

55:13

cookie was invented in San Francisco.

55:15

Adam, a court once ruled that

55:17

the fortune cookie was invented in

55:20

San Francisco. Oh, true. Correct. Jennifer,

55:22

that ruling came over 50 years

55:24

after the fortune cookie was invented.

55:26

True, correct. And finally, Adam, and

55:29

that's why fortune cookies and vodka

55:31

are really the San Francisco treats.

55:33

True. Correct. Let's thank Jennifer Tilly

55:35

and Adam Savage, as Helen tabulates

55:38

the final score. By the way.

55:40

The court in the Fortune Cookie

55:42

ruling was the not so legitimate

55:44

court of historical review based in

55:47

San Francisco, which ruled the same

55:49

year that the Martini was invented

55:51

in San Francisco, and ten years

55:54

later that... Elvis Presley was in

55:56

fact dead and not in San

55:58

Francisco. Helen, are you ready to

56:00

announce our final score in today's

56:03

program? I am after that exciting

56:05

game. Oh, it's so close, but

56:07

we do have a winner. Adam

56:09

Savage has 12 and a half

56:12

points and Jennifer Pilly has 13

56:14

and a half points. Jennifer, you

56:16

are the fact and champion on

56:18

Go Fact Yourself. Jennifer, what will

56:21

you do with your championship? And

56:23

if there is no physical representation

56:25

of my championship, I will write

56:27

them on a piece of paper

56:30

and I will pin it to

56:32

their refrigerator. We're going to wrap

56:34

things up by giving everyone on

56:36

the panel a chance to mention

56:39

or promote anything they might like.

56:41

Adam, where can people find you

56:43

and what you're up to? They

56:45

can find me on YouTube at

56:48

Tested.com and you can find all

56:50

my other stuff from there. Excellent.

56:52

Thank you so much for being

56:54

here. The Well Tested. And

56:57

Jennifer Tilly, what about yourself? You

56:59

can follow me on Twitter and

57:01

Instagram and my handle is very

57:03

cleverly at Jennifer Tilly. I have

57:06

a blue checkmark on both. Yes,

57:08

I paid for the Twitter checkmark,

57:10

but it is me. It is

57:12

her and it is wonderful that

57:14

you joined us. Jennifer Tilly everybody!

57:16

Ladies and you are so lucky

57:18

because my hosting partner is the

57:20

wonderful Helen Hong! up

57:27

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57:30

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57:32

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57:35

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57:37

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57:39

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57:42

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57:44

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57:46

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57:48

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57:50

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57:53

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57:55

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57:57

just leaves me to thank Adam Savage, Jennifer

57:59

Tilly, Eddie Mueller, Tal Bachman. everyone here at

58:01

SF Sketch Fest and the Gateway Theater. And

58:04

thank you for listening and supporting our show

58:06

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