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Andrew Harmel-Law - Technical Principal at Thoughtworks & Author of "Facilitating Software Architecture"
Sonya Natanzon - Senior Director of Software Engineering at Guardant Health

RESOURCES
Andrew
https://bsky.app/profile/andrewhl.bsky.social
https://twit.social/@ahl
https://github.com/andrewharmellaw
https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewharmellaw

Sonya
https://www.linkedin.com/in/sonya-natanzon

Links
https://facilitatingsoftwarearchitecture.com
https://martinfowler.com/articles
https://www.thoughtworks.com/radar/techniques
https://www.cognitect.com/blog/2011/11/15
https://medium.com/@vanessamformicola

DESCRIPTION
Sonya Natanzon and Andrew Harmel-Law explore key concepts from Andrew’s book, fostering decentralized sociotechnical systems, emphasizing the importance of embracing imperfection in decision-making, and combating cognitive biases like the framing effect.

They highlight the shift to prioritizing learning, adaptability, and small, fast iterations in socio-technical systems. Andrew discusses psychological safety as vital for empowering teams to innovate while maintaining accountability, advocating for experimentation and collective ownership of evolving codebases. Together, they underline the importance of balancing creativity and structure to build resilient, adaptive systems that thrive in complexity.

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Andrew Harmel-Law • Facilitating Software Architecture
Diana Montalion • Learning Systems Thinking
Donald G. Reinertsen • The Principles of Product Development Flow
Alexander, Ishikawa, Silverstein, Jacobson, Fiksdahl-King & Ange • A Pattern Language
Patty McCord • Powerful
Shoshana Zuboff • The Age of Surveillance Capitalism
Matthew Skelton & Manuel Pais • Tea

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