Why don't we say the L in 'walk'? Never use 'always.' PABST

Why don't we say the L in 'walk'? Never use 'always.' PABST

Released Tuesday, 1st April 2025
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Why don't we say the L in 'walk'? Never use 'always.' PABST

Why don't we say the L in 'walk'? Never use 'always.' PABST

Why don't we say the L in 'walk'? Never use 'always.' PABST

Why don't we say the L in 'walk'? Never use 'always.' PABST

Tuesday, 1st April 2025
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Grammar Girl here. I'm in

0:02

Jan Fogerty. Your friendly guide

0:05

to the English language. Today

0:07

we're going to talk about

0:09

when the letter L is

0:12

silent and qualifying words like

0:14

always and most. But first

0:17

I have a couple of

0:19

extras from recent

0:21

episodes. First, after the

0:24

piece about the origin of corn

0:26

and how corned a beef got

0:28

its name, Robert wrote in to

0:31

tell me that corn isn't a

0:33

vegetable. It's actually a fruit. I

0:35

had no idea. And corn isn't

0:38

the only food to surprise me.

0:40

Robert also said botanists classify tomatoes,

0:43

green peppers, cucumbers, zucchini, and other

0:45

squashes as fruits. And it checks

0:47

out. And I did some other

0:50

searching, and it turns out that

0:52

olives and avocados are also

0:54

fruits. Technically, fruit develops from

0:56

the flower or ovary of

0:59

the plant after it's fertilized.

1:01

Pea pods are fruits, and

1:03

the peas themselves are seeds.

1:05

Same with green beans. And

1:07

again, botanically, a banana is

1:10

actually a berry. You learn

1:12

something every day. Thanks, Robert.

1:14

And then people had follow-up questions

1:17

about how to write the word

1:19

OK when it's two letters. Today,

1:21

it's written as the capital letters

1:24

O and K without any periods.

1:26

But for many years, it was

1:29

written as capital letters with periods.

1:31

And originally, in the Boston Morning

1:33

Post, in 1836, when it first

1:36

appeared, it was written as lower-case

1:38

letters with periods. So it's changed

1:40

a lot over the years, and

1:43

it's entirely possible that it can

1:45

change again. A couple of people

1:47

commented that they write it all

1:50

lower case without periods right now,

1:52

and maybe someday that'll catch on

1:54

enough that dictionaries and style guides

1:56

will include it. But for now,

1:58

in professional writing, stick with

2:01

OK, upper case with no

2:03

periods, or spelled out as

2:05

lower case, OKAY. Today we're

2:07

answering an intriguing

2:10

question from a listener

2:12

named Michael, who asks, why

2:14

do we drop the L

2:17

in words like almond and

2:19

chalk? This is one of

2:21

those language mysteries that

2:23

reveals how words evolve over

2:25

time. You might not have

2:28

noticed, but those of us

2:30

who speak English, treat the

2:32

letter L in some interesting

2:35

ways. Sometimes we say it,

2:37

sometimes we don't, and sometimes

2:39

it depends entirely on where

2:41

you grew up. So let's start with

2:44

a quick experiment. Listen to

2:46

me say these words, walk, talk, and

2:48

half. Did you notice that even though

2:51

all these words have an L

2:53

in their spelling, I didn't pronounce

2:55

them. Most of us don't pronounce

2:57

it at all in these words.

3:00

But here's where things get

3:02

really interesting. Words like calm,

3:04

palm, and almond create a

3:07

divide among English speakers. If

3:09

you're from Britain, you probably

3:12

don't pronounce the L in

3:14

calm or palm. But if

3:17

you're American or Canadian, you

3:19

might find yourself emphasizing that

3:21

L sound. And almond... Well, that

3:24

depends not just on your country,

3:26

but often on your specific region.

3:28

Some Americans give it a soft

3:30

L sound, while others skip it

3:33

entirely. I happen to be one

3:35

of the speakers who pronounces the

3:37

L, Almond, which is why I

3:40

might have sounded awkward trying not

3:42

to pronounce it when I read

3:44

Michael's question. Now let's

3:46

get a little more technical.

3:48

In English, we actually have

3:50

two different types of L

3:52

sounds. What linguists call a

3:55

light L and a dark

3:57

L. Think of them as

3:59

linguistic siblings. with very different

4:01

personalities. The light L is what

4:03

you hear at the beginning of

4:05

words like light or leaf.

4:07

Your tongue touches right behind your

4:10

top teeth and the sound feels

4:12

bright and crisp. But the dark

4:15

L is the sound you hear at

4:17

the end of words like ball or

4:19

feel. Your tongue still touches the

4:21

same spot, but it also bunches

4:23

up in the back of your

4:25

mouth, giving the sound a deeper,

4:28

more hollow quality. If you say

4:30

leaf and then ball slowly,

4:32

you can actually feel the

4:35

difference. And here's where our

4:37

story takes an unexpected turn.

4:39

That dark L sound is

4:41

pretty unusual in the world's

4:44

languages. It's actually one of

4:46

the trickier sounds for non-native

4:48

English speakers to master. And

4:50

because it's such an unstable

4:52

sound, that is when it's

4:55

difficult to pronounce the same

4:57

way, consistently, it tends to

4:59

transform over time. Think of

5:01

it like a linguistic game

5:03

of telephone. As the sound

5:06

gets passed from generation to

5:08

generation, it gradually shifts into

5:10

something easier to pronounce. This

5:12

is exactly what happened with

5:14

words like walk and talk.

5:17

That dark L started transforming

5:19

into a vowel sound, like

5:21

a subtle oo or into

5:23

W. Linguists call it L

5:25

vocalization. And you can hear

5:27

it in action when someone

5:29

says milk, more like milk,

5:32

or bell, more like bell. This is

5:34

especially common in certain

5:36

accents, like cockney English

5:38

in London, or some

5:40

dialects in Philadelphia. So why

5:43

do we have all these silent

5:45

Ls hanging around in our spelling?

5:47

Well, the answer takes us back

5:49

to the 1400s. Around this time

5:51

English speakers started changing how they

5:53

pronounced L's that came after vowels.

5:55

Some of these L sounds turned

5:57

into something more like a W's.

5:59

and others disappeared completely, but

6:02

the spelling stayed the same.

6:04

Think of it like a

6:06

linguistic family photo album. The

6:08

spelling preserves how these words

6:10

used to sound, even though

6:13

our pronunciation has moved on.

6:15

It's similar to how we

6:17

still write night with a

6:19

K&GH, even though we stopped

6:22

pronouncing those sounds centuries ago.

6:24

But there's another twist in

6:26

our story. Remember how I

6:28

mention that some Americans pronounce

6:30

the L in calm and

6:33

palm? That's actually a relatively

6:35

recent development. Linguists call this

6:37

a spelling pronunciation. When people

6:39

see a letter in the

6:41

written word and start pronouncing

6:44

it, even though it was

6:46

traditionally silent. It's like linguistic

6:48

peer pressure from the written

6:50

word. So the next time

6:53

you're listening to different English

6:55

dialects, you can think about

6:57

how you're hearing living proof

6:59

that languages evolve. These sound

7:01

changes aren't mistakes or lazy

7:04

speech. Their windows into the

7:06

fascinating ways our brains and

7:08

mouths work together to make

7:10

language easier to use. That

7:12

segment was written by Karen Lundy,

7:15

a former Quick and Dirty Tips

7:17

editor and digital pioneer who's been

7:19

spinning words into gold since before

7:22

cat videos ruled the internet. She

7:24

created one of the first online

7:27

writing workshops and she's published thousands

7:29

of articles on the art of

7:31

writing. These days, she leads personal

7:34

narrative writing retreats and helps writers

7:36

find their voice. Visit her at

7:38

Chantarel Story studio.com. Next,

7:46

we'll talk about words you should

7:49

never use and words you should

7:51

always avoid or something like that.

7:53

As many of you know, before

7:56

I was grammar girl, I was

7:58

a science and technology. writer. Even

8:00

as an undergrad my instructor said

8:03

I was especially good at that

8:05

kind of writing and my secret

8:07

was that I hedged everything I

8:10

wrote. I wouldn't write anything as

8:12

definitive as scientists found life on

8:14

Mars. I would write scientists appear

8:16

to have found life on Mars

8:19

or scientists report that they found

8:21

signs of life on Mars. In

8:23

scientific writing, those kinds of distinctions

8:26

are important because knowledge changes as

8:28

new data comes in. What looks

8:30

like life on Mars today could

8:33

turn out to be an instrument

8:35

malfunction tomorrow. Coffee seems good for

8:37

you in one study, but bad

8:40

for you in the next study

8:42

that looked at different populations or

8:44

at different parameters. But keeping absolute

8:47

statements under control can also keep

8:49

your everyday writing honest. Some of

8:51

the most dangerous words you can

8:54

throw around are always and never.

8:56

They almost beg people to ask,

8:58

really? Never? Not even if aliens

9:00

take over the world and change

9:03

the laws of physics with their

9:05

super advanced technology? If I were

9:07

to write, always use quotation marks

9:10

around dialogue, I'm sure that within

9:12

12 hours, someone would remind me

9:14

that some literary writers like Kormik

9:17

McCarthy don't use them. If I

9:19

said never start a sentence with

9:21

a lowercase letter, someone would remind

9:24

me that the P in pH

9:26

must be lower case when referring

9:28

to the acidity or alkalinity of

9:31

a solution, whether it's at the

9:33

beginning of a sentence or not,

9:35

and that the Chicago manual of

9:37

styles is to keep the eye

9:40

in iPhone lower case even if

9:42

the word is at the beginning

9:44

of a sentence. If you go

9:47

out on a limb and use

9:49

always or never, you should be

9:51

darn certain there are any exceptions.

9:54

So what about fudgy words such

9:56

as usually? Often. They aren't horrible.

9:58

When you're tempted to write always,

10:01

usually can be a safer choice.

10:03

In English, we usually capitalize the

10:05

word at the beginning of a

10:08

sentence. The problem is that sometimes

10:10

people use these words without any

10:12

real knowledge of whether something happens

10:15

often or usually. I could have

10:17

said people often use these words

10:19

without any real knowledge, but really,

10:21

is it often? I know I

10:24

see it done, but when I

10:26

think about it carefully, I'm not

10:28

willing to commit to often. Sometimes

10:31

is more accurate. And people have

10:33

asked about the difference between most

10:35

and many. Okay, it was only

10:38

one person, so it wasn't really

10:40

people. It should have been someone.

10:42

Both many and most indicate a

10:45

large indefinite amount. Technically, most is

10:47

more than many. Most is a

10:49

superlative that means in the greatest

10:52

degree or in the majority of

10:54

instances. You could argue that it's

10:56

technically correct to use most if

10:59

you're talking about more than half

11:01

of something, but in practice I

11:03

suspect most people, get it, most

11:05

people don't strictly adhere to that

11:08

definition. And if I hear someone

11:10

say most, I'm imagining far more

11:12

than 51 percent of something. My

11:15

advice is to avoid using most

11:17

and many, unless you have evidence

11:19

that what you're talking about is

11:22

a lot. A lot of people

11:24

are far more than half the

11:26

time, for example. It shouldn't just

11:29

be your opinion. And if you

11:31

can cite actual numbers. The thought,

11:33

I believe snails are adorable and

11:36

make great mascots. floating through your

11:38

head should not lead you to

11:40

write, many people believe snails are

11:42

adorable and make great mascots. Going

11:45

back to my opening paragraph, how

11:47

did I know that many of

11:49

you know that I used to

11:52

be a science writer? I didn't.

11:54

Although I've mentioned it in a

11:56

bunch of interviews, I have no

11:59

idea how many of you already

12:01

knew I was a science writer.

12:03

So I shouldn't have started out

12:06

with, as many of you know,

12:08

it's pure speculation and unnecessarily wordy.

12:10

As an aside, you can learn

12:13

more about more and most in

12:15

episode 930, in which we talk

12:17

about using more to compare two

12:20

things. This painting is more spectacular

12:22

than the last. and most when

12:24

something is the best of more

12:26

than two things. This painting is

12:29

the most spectacular painting we've seen

12:31

all day. Finally I have a

12:33

familect and friend-elect from Annette. Hey

12:36

grandma girl this is Annette Lion.

12:38

I've got two quick familex. One

12:40

is an update from last year

12:43

and another is with a friend

12:45

of mine. So I guess a

12:47

friend of a like. And they're

12:50

both from typos. The first was...

12:52

When my husband and I had

12:54

the acronym PAPST, which came from

12:57

a line from Gilmore Girls, people

12:59

are particularly stupid today, PAPST. Recently,

13:01

he texted it to me only

13:03

instead of PAPST, it was PABST,

13:06

and I looked at it for

13:08

a second and thought, that works.

13:10

Instead of people are particularly stupid

13:13

today, we have a new level.

13:15

People are beyond stupid today. So

13:17

now we have. both. The other

13:20

ones with my friend Louisa, she's

13:22

best friend and accountability partner for

13:24

coming on 20 years now. We

13:27

email each other on weekdays with

13:29

updates and our to do lists

13:31

our goals for the day and

13:34

then we text each other back

13:36

and forth our progress as we

13:38

go along. And we always sign

13:41

off our emails exo-o-xo-o-o-o-o-o-o- corrected before

13:43

I hit send and I didn't

13:45

notice until she replied and then

13:47

I saw my email. but it

13:50

actually gone out. Did it exo,

13:52

exo, exo, so suddenly read Coco?

13:54

So I replied to clarify. I

13:57

kind of like said, okay, that

13:59

was auto-correct. I meant, of course,

14:01

X, O, X, O, X, but,

14:04

you know, Koko, that works, too.

14:06

So now it's about a 50-50

14:08

odds that our emails will sign

14:11

off with either X, X, O,

14:13

X, O, X, or K, but

14:15

you might appreciate both of those.

14:18

Have a great one. Thanks, for

14:20

the call. If you want to

14:22

share the story of your family,

14:24

a word or phrase that you

14:27

use only with your friends or

14:29

family, leave a message on the

14:31

voicemail line at 833.3214 Girl, or

14:34

leave a voice message on WhatsApp.

14:36

And if you want that number

14:38

or link later, you can always

14:41

find them in the show notes.

14:43

Grammar Girl is a quick and

14:45

dirty tips podcast. Thanks to Divina

14:48

Tomlin and Nat Hoops in marketing,

14:50

Dan Fire opened and audio, Brandon

14:52

Getchus, director of podcasts, Holly Hutchings

14:55

in Digital Operations, and Morgan Christensen

14:57

in advertising, who says she'd love

14:59

to learn surface design. And I'm

15:02

in Jan Fogerie, better known as

15:04

Grammar Girl and author of the

15:06

Tip of Day book, the Grammar

15:08

Daily. That's all. Thanks for listening.

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