0:00

Um, says that the perfect

0:02

car eating food is a perfect

0:04

car That is crazy.

0:06

That is pulled the craziest

0:08

thing he does on the show. though? That's

0:10

such a messy thing. to

0:12

eat. crazy. That is such

0:14

a messy thing he

0:17

does on the show.

0:19

Honestly, welcome to Guides the

0:21

Unknown. I'm Chris. done it a to

0:23

happen again to will

0:26

happen again and again and

0:28

And I'm our I'm our little

0:30

brother William That's right, and

0:32

we are talking about are talking of

0:34

one of We are gonna talk about

0:36

to of the the Ark of the Ice Truck

0:38

I I, um, boy, let's just let's just

0:40

get right into it your history

0:42

with Dexter. You and you and

0:44

I watched this, it was when it was

0:47

out that I think that we the the first

0:49

handful of episodes because we hadn't caught

0:51

it, like, right from the beginning. right from the

0:53

Um, and then, And you don't remember this?

0:55

then this? And you know, got to watch the

0:57

end of it, I think, end in real

0:59

I think, like in real time. Okay. I was...

1:01

And enjoyed it. I remember being very,

1:03

very fond fond of this show. Yeah. And I

1:05

thought it was very silly at

1:07

the same time. same time. Yeah. But man,

1:09

this show is popular. So we're talking

1:12

about we're series from 2006, almost 20

1:14

years ago, about Dexter

1:16

Morgan, who is Morgan, who is

1:18

a analyst for the Miami

1:20

analyst by the Miami And by

1:22

night, and really by day the time,

1:24

he's also a crazed serial

1:26

killer the a code. Of course,

1:28

the code of Harry. The code

1:30

of Harry, his a code. Of course, the

1:32

father, who he only Who he only

1:34

kills. other killers. He's almost...

1:37

He's taking out the out the trash. the mask

1:39

is but the mask is this, He

1:41

talks like this. that. That's why we're

1:43

doing that. His internal monologue is the

1:45

main character of the show. brings in one

1:47

point, he brings in donuts to

1:49

the police department to he's got to

1:51

hide in plain sight, you see. So

1:53

he's got to be completely like

1:55

average like so nobody suspects anything. He's

1:57

like, He's like, hey, hey, hey, Douglas, I I brought sprinkle

1:59

a sprinklele... frosty for you. Like, you know,

2:02

just like whatever people say. And then

2:04

when people take all the donuts, it's

2:06

so embarrassing to me still. They do

2:09

a long push in on the empty

2:11

box of donuts and Dexter's in our

2:13

monologue goes empty inside, just like me.

2:15

No boy, he's always underlining this emptiness

2:18

that he says he has. And the

2:20

deal is his dad Harry was a

2:22

cop, so he's kind of like inherited

2:25

this job to a degree, but also

2:27

because it's a killer, he loves blood,

2:29

you see. And the whole thing is

2:32

that Dexter is different, everybody. He's different

2:34

from everybody. He has no feelings. Yeah,

2:36

is it clear? Yeah, right. And Harry

2:39

saw this in him. And instead of

2:41

like, you know, turning him in or

2:43

something, he decided that we are going

2:45

to sort of like, Home this and

2:48

take it in a direction that will

2:50

not get Dexter caught right and also

2:52

has kind of a morality to it

2:55

Yes, he becomes almost like a vigilante

2:57

right if you kill a bunch of

2:59

killers You're actually cleaning up the streets

3:02

while you're satisfying your own dark passenger

3:04

as he calls his his Serial killer

3:06

urges. Yes, so it should be checking

3:09

every box. I don't know why anybody

3:11

would be upset or why there's any

3:13

call for all this drama No, of

3:15

course, except that he's killing people and

3:18

it's illegal. It's illegal. And so he's

3:20

constantly having to hide his stuff from

3:22

his sister Deb, who's also a cop

3:25

and the other people in the force.

3:27

Yeah. But season one, we'll see, as

3:29

you mentioned, the Ice Truck Killer. And

3:32

in sort of a classic pulp serial

3:34

killer novel format, like we've got a...

3:36

an episodic kind of format of like

3:39

various crimes and sea plots and stuff,

3:41

but one big bad. Yep. Who's got

3:43

an emo that is so unique that

3:45

we've got to riddle it out over

3:48

the course of 12 episodes and it's

3:50

going to shake Dexter down to his

3:52

very core. Right. And I really love

3:55

that format. It's why we're doing it

3:57

on the show really I think is

3:59

there's a lot of you know in

4:02

a thriller thrillers are buying. large, you

4:04

know, part horror. And it's also fun.

4:06

We recently did the CSI arc about

4:09

the miniature killer. I love a fictional

4:11

killer with a wacky M.O. A larger

4:13

than life modus operandi. totally that was

4:15

episode three forty nine if anybody's interested

4:18

in going and checking that out wonderful

4:20

so similar to that episode we're going

4:22

to be spoiling the hell yes out

4:25

of Dexter season one we're gonna be

4:27

talking about it all throughout the course

4:29

of this episode so if you don't

4:32

want to be spoiled you might want

4:34

to skip this episode and come back

4:36

to it after you watch Dexter it's

4:39

all on Netflix as of right now

4:41

and of course we're doing this because

4:43

a new spinoff is coming yeah this

4:45

Sunday they're they're doing a prequel series

4:48

called Dexter I think it's Friday Oh,

4:50

is it Friday? Yeah, it's the 13th.

4:52

Friday, the 13th. The very day this

4:55

episode drops then. Correct. So yeah, it's

4:57

called Dexter Original Sin, and it's going

4:59

to be on Paramount Plus with Showtime

5:02

Plan. Confusing. I mean, I mean, how

5:04

clear and easy to find. Of course,

5:06

we're not like sponsored by it or

5:09

anything. It's not on like just Showtime.

5:11

It has to be on Paramount Plus

5:13

with the Showtime Plan. And yet the

5:15

original series is on Netflix. But was

5:18

on showtime. No, I know. Yeah, it's

5:20

all weird. It's a mess. It's an

5:22

absolute mess, just like Dexter. Yes, that's

5:25

true. And not just in the bloody

5:27

way. I know. In the, in, Dexter

5:29

as a whole series. As a concept.

5:32

Well, yes, but as a whole. I

5:34

can be fine with like as a

5:36

concept being a mess and just being

5:39

like, all right, like you, you can

5:41

just, or at least I can, just

5:43

disregard things that are like what, but

5:45

can just enjoy and like ride on

5:48

vibes. The series as a whole, I

5:50

would say, is mostly bad. Like I

5:52

mostly, I mostly didn't enjoy it, even

5:55

though I watched all of it. By

5:57

the end of it, I would say

5:59

that it sucked sucked. Like I mostly

6:02

kept watching it because I wanted to

6:04

know what was going to happen. I

6:06

actually don't even know if today, the

6:09

version of me today would have kept

6:11

watching Dexter. seems like something that I

6:13

would have jumped ship on in today's

6:15

world. For me, I, uh, not that

6:18

anybody else would view it this way.

6:20

I famously broke my own code. Yes,

6:22

right. You did break your code. I

6:25

did. I broke Willie's code. Yeah. I

6:27

am, if nothing, I'm a completionist. If

6:29

I like something, I will follow it

6:32

through to the bitter end. Yeah. I

6:34

bounced on Dexter. That's right. Just over

6:36

the halfway mark of the show. And

6:39

I was like, you know what, I

6:41

feel like I see, I can see

6:43

the end coming and it's terrible. Yeah.

6:45

This show is declining and was it

6:48

really that great to begin with? We'll

6:50

discuss. But I remember feeling completely vindicated.

6:52

Peaceful. By the original finale of the

6:55

show when people were like, well, that

6:57

sucked. Yeah. I was like, hey, I

6:59

haven't been watching this thing for years

7:02

and it's been blissfully. Unaware. Unaware of

7:04

what's going on in darling Dorkey Dexter's

7:06

world. Yeah. And by the way, we,

7:09

we, uh, well, I guess we haven't

7:11

kept, we've kept using alliteration before we

7:13

started recording. The show Dexter is based

7:15

on a series of books that all

7:18

have alliterative titles. Yes. So that's why

7:20

all the Darkly Dorky Dexter references from

7:22

us. The original novel was Darkly Dreaming

7:25

Dexter, released in 2004, written by Jeff

7:27

Lindsay. And I'll have some stuff to

7:29

say about him and his opinion of

7:32

the show that came out of his

7:34

work. But let's really get into it.

7:36

I want to talk about... Dexter as

7:39

a as a fictional serial killer. I

7:41

like his emo Stuff at least for

7:43

a topic of conversation obviously the ice

7:45

truck killer Yeah himself and a lot

7:48

of the the world sort

7:50

of dancing around Dexter

7:53

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7:55

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so well, I would, okay, as

9:21

a whole, what did you think

9:23

of watching this first season? Did

9:25

you enjoy yourself? Like, net positive,

9:27

net negative, net neutral. Quite positive.

9:29

Yeah, me too. I really enjoyed

9:31

it. I had a great time

9:33

watching this. Almost surprised by how

9:35

much I enjoyed re-watch on the

9:37

show. Actually, I wasn't, now I

9:39

say I wasn't surprised. I was

9:41

like, oh, that's right. I think

9:43

the first season of this is

9:45

good. This is good. This is

9:48

good. This should be fun. Yeah,

9:50

I guess I can't pretend I'm

9:52

completely shocked. I did like the

9:54

show for quite a while. I

9:56

just, I just, in my, in

9:58

my memory, it's so much worse.

10:00

You know what I mean? It

10:02

gets really bad. Yeah. But no,

10:04

I really enjoyed it. Allie and

10:06

I watched. together and it really

10:08

did feel like enjoying a pulpy

10:10

crime novel together. Yeah, yeah. Which

10:12

was very, very fun. We, Ali

10:14

and I have a habit of

10:16

like we'll watch like old 90s

10:18

thrillers and stuff and it sort

10:20

of fit right into that vein.

10:22

Totally enjoyable. The cat and mouse

10:24

stuff of Dexter and the ice

10:26

truck killer is really, really fun.

10:28

Even though I by and large

10:30

knew every twist in turn that

10:32

was coming, I still ended up

10:34

like It held up to a

10:36

rewatch. It was completely fun, albeit

10:38

very, very dorky. Yeah, it's extremely

10:41

corny. Corny. Even with it being

10:43

good. Ryan and I also watched

10:45

it together. We also watch a

10:47

lot of these things. I said

10:49

before, I really like thrillers. I

10:51

really like procedural things like this,

10:53

and Ryan and I watch a

10:55

lot of stuff like that together.

10:57

It's corny. Some of the acting

10:59

is not good. There are elements

11:01

of it that really stick out

11:03

as like, what is this? It's

11:05

a strange show. And I'm not

11:07

even saying strange as in like,

11:09

it's strange, but it works. There

11:11

are elements of it that are

11:13

like, this is weird. It's surprising

11:15

that it is. And I'm, by

11:17

the way, I'm saying all this

11:19

with it still being a net

11:21

very positive for me. Watching it

11:23

now, this came out before really

11:25

like the biggest boom of like

11:27

prestige TV and everything. It's surprising

11:29

to me that this was like

11:31

an Emmy Award winning series. And

11:34

like, how quality that they are

11:36

looking back and being like, wow,

11:38

Dexter was like on the award

11:40

scene and watching it is kind

11:42

of surprising. It's fun and good,

11:44

but it doesn't feel like it

11:46

should have, I shouldn't say should

11:48

have, but it's surprising to me

11:50

that it was like out there

11:52

like that. Does it deserve all

11:54

the same respect of a breaking

11:56

bad? I don't think it had

11:58

all the same respect as a

12:00

bad like I don't think it

12:02

was quite at that level okay

12:04

but it wasn't like crazy far

12:06

away from it yeah and seeing

12:08

it through the lens of other

12:10

things now that's kind of surprising

12:12

to me yeah they confusingly I

12:14

feel like the show tries to

12:16

have like a lot of comedy

12:18

mhm like or like heart sometimes

12:20

like there'll just kind of be

12:22

like subplots where I'm like I

12:24

don't need this like I don't

12:26

need like sort of a sort

12:29

of a emotional guitar music while

12:31

LaGuarda is connecting with a little

12:33

boy. Yes, but like way too

12:35

much of an episode. Yes. Well,

12:37

this is like also the shame

12:39

is like the show's called Dexter.

12:41

We're all here because Dexter's a

12:43

serial killer and he is very

12:45

impressed with himself. And Michael C.

12:47

Hall is so compelling. Yes, he's

12:49

very fun to watch. I could

12:51

watch him all day long. Staring

12:53

at those lips. Whoa, whoa, whoa,

12:55

whoa. His lips, which are like,

12:57

like light pink. I'm so confused

12:59

looking at his face. By his

13:01

face. Okay. I like him. I

13:03

like him. This is not to

13:05

insult the fella. The lips. Yeah.

13:07

I would say they are light

13:09

pink, but then also light sometimes

13:11

and also pink sometimes. And here's

13:13

what I think is happening. First

13:15

of all, I think because it's

13:17

in Miami, they were giving him

13:19

spray tans. And then in comparison,

13:22

his lips were looking quite light.

13:24

So then I think with makeup,

13:26

they'd be doing like a tinted

13:28

bomb, but that's gonna wear off.

13:30

So then when the tinted bomb

13:32

wears off, you're left with just

13:34

a light lip. So in some

13:36

scenes, the tinted bomb is there,

13:38

his lips are looking real pink.

13:40

In some scenes, they're just looking

13:42

real light because the bomb has

13:44

worn off and they haven't gone

13:46

in for a little. It really

13:48

is. I was like a lip

13:50

reader watching this show. I was

13:52

just focused on those flappers. This

13:54

is something that I thought about

13:56

throughout the entire series, those lips.

13:58

Yeah, yeah, really wild stuff. Yeah.

14:00

But every other supporting character, they're

14:02

there for a reason. are, you

14:04

know, working performers. Some of them

14:06

are very talented. But like, giving

14:08

every one of them a subplot

14:10

is a necessity. Right? Like, you

14:12

can't just have everyone show up

14:15

and 99% of the shows. Exactly.

14:17

Like, let's take a stab at

14:19

flushing out, Angel. Angel Battista, Dexter's

14:21

friend detective. And then you learn

14:23

all about how Angel's going through

14:25

a sad divorce. I would be

14:27

fine leaving Angel's subplot at him

14:29

asking Dexter for advice about the

14:31

presence and then maybe just finding

14:33

out briefly that he's trying to

14:35

win his wife back and leaving

14:37

it there. I don't even, this

14:39

is like the thing like, you

14:41

know, it's, it's, it's, it's, we

14:43

don't need him dancing with people

14:45

and then going home to his

14:47

wife, like just, just leave it

14:49

as a little thing. I really

14:51

just don't care about anybody else's

14:53

subplot except for Dexter, That's really

14:55

all I care about. It probably

14:57

could be for me. Even though

14:59

that's not the way that things

15:01

are done. Right. I would probably

15:03

be genuinely satisfied if it was

15:05

just text. Yeah, actually going back

15:08

to breaking bad. I don't remember

15:10

a lot of subplots of like

15:12

them just like finding somebody that

15:14

you know, it's a good question.

15:16

I don't know that Walter White

15:18

worked with and then you learn

15:20

that like, you know, like what's

15:22

going on with them. They're getting

15:24

fired or on the path through

15:26

a nice promotion. You spend like

15:28

15 minutes on that? Yeah, there's

15:30

a lot of LaGuardia's like job

15:32

politics with that one guy. Yes,

15:34

I just don't care at all.

15:36

I know. But Dexter himself is

15:38

so interesting and the show starts

15:40

very strong, I would say, with

15:42

like, I think that like, you

15:44

know what? Miami itself is really

15:46

sort of a character. Wow! If

15:48

you think about it that one.

15:50

What an original thought for the

15:52

setting of a place to be

15:54

a character itself. William, I think

15:56

you've got something here. I actually,

15:58

I'm going to go back on

16:01

that. I don't think that Miami

16:03

itself is a character. think that...

16:05

But it's a good setting. It's

16:07

a fine setting. I am irritated

16:09

by the clothes. I do not

16:11

like Dexter wearing... What are these

16:13

things? Like tweed? Tweed pants? Oh,

16:15

it's definitely not... What are they?

16:17

I think you're maybe twill. Tweed

16:19

is like a very heavy fabric.

16:21

It's heavy? No, I'm thinking of

16:23

what's very, very, very, very, very

16:25

light. It's like his pants were

16:27

knit by a grandma. It's like

16:29

he's wearing doily pants. It's like

16:31

he's wearing doily pants. I wouldn't

16:33

be right. I think like linen.

16:35

I'm partially laughing because I don't

16:37

agree. This is not for me,

16:39

all these flowy bright fabrics. No,

16:41

oh my God, I feel so

16:43

uncomfortable seeing his pants billow in

16:45

the wind. Yeah, yeah. And, um,

16:47

what are those shoes called? I

16:49

can't remember, but remember when Chandler

16:51

wears wicker shoes? Yes, wicker. Yes,

16:54

yeah, yeah. Yeah, they all wear

16:56

wicker clothes. Yeah. And he's wearing

16:58

like Hawaiian shirts and shit. Everything

17:00

about Dexter, like, the real, the

17:02

real secret character of the show

17:04

that like makes it all work

17:06

is the score. It's so good.

17:08

I think I either texted you

17:10

that or I wrote it down.

17:12

The music is so good. The

17:14

music is like kind of dreamy

17:16

and dark and very mysterious. It

17:18

really, really pulls you in. And

17:20

then they'll smash. Very grounding. But

17:22

then they'll smash to like some

17:24

like upbeat like rumba beat and

17:26

it's Dexter walking around in like

17:28

a Hawaiian shirt and I'm like,

17:30

I know. I gotta say he's

17:32

never wearing a Hawaiian. Well, what

17:34

is it? He's got these shirts?

17:36

I don't know what you would

17:38

call it, but he's never wearing

17:40

a Hawaiian shirt. I always felt

17:42

that, I don't know if S&L

17:44

ever did a parody of Dexter,

17:47

but I always felt like- He

17:49

was ripe for parody. I always

17:51

felt like it was like, you

17:53

could easily dial the knob of

17:55

him trying to seem normal, way

17:57

too far, and have him like,

17:59

slide into the police station wearing

18:01

a- trying to be like, who

18:03

farted? Like really just trying, like

18:05

a beer helmet? Just like, I'm

18:07

like all of you, right? Right?

18:09

But then when he really does,

18:11

when he gets his dark passenger

18:13

monologues, but that's spooky music, he

18:15

has like a superhero uniform. Yeah.

18:17

And that almost always works for

18:19

me. Oh, totally. to a T.

18:21

It's great. His goofball monologues about

18:23

how donuts are as empty as

18:25

him by day? Yeah. Are contrasted

18:27

so well by him at night

18:29

being like, they don't know that

18:31

I'm coming. Right, with like moody

18:33

piano music behind him? I've been

18:35

studying for weeks. Even the silly

18:37

stuff. The code of Harry means

18:40

that I can't leave anything to

18:42

chance. But it's fun. And I'm

18:44

pulled into being like, he's a

18:46

madman who is such a tidy,

18:48

neat monster, he'll call himself, that

18:50

it ends up being really fun

18:52

to be like, who's he got

18:54

his eye on? And oh my

18:56

God, he's focusing on the choir

18:58

leader. You know, like all these

19:00

choir boys are singing, but the

19:02

guy who's like running the show

19:04

or whatever is the first kill

19:06

of the series. And that's Alison

19:08

De Laurentis' father. Piss drinking, piss

19:10

drinking? Not actual. What? He's always

19:12

like, hmm. He's got a little

19:14

piss drinking face. That's not a

19:16

phrase. That's what they say on

19:18

pros watch PLL too. Piss drinking

19:20

father. Jesus Christ. I, um, Dexter,

19:22

when he is being serial killer

19:24

man. Yeah. is so imposing and

19:26

scary at times. Yes. His introduction

19:28

is the hardest I think he

19:30

ever goes on the show. I

19:33

think so too. And I almost

19:35

wonder if people are like, hey

19:37

this is so messed up I

19:39

think we need to dial this

19:41

back. I kind of think so

19:43

too he's yelling in that guy's

19:45

face. Yeah. He's not like that

19:47

later. He does this awesome thing

19:49

where he'll pull the killers that

19:51

he's going to now murder into

19:53

a kill room that's like covered

19:55

with plastic sheeting so he can

19:57

clean it all up 100 percent.

19:59

But he also likes make a

20:01

little museum, to show the serial

20:03

killer what they did that ended

20:05

them up in Dexter's kill room.

20:07

And so for this first kill,

20:09

he dug up the bodies of

20:11

children that this guy had previously

20:13

killed. That is so disturbing. Yes.

20:15

Like they just pan over like

20:17

three corpses on the ground. He's

20:19

like, took a while to get

20:21

him cleaned up. Yeah, like boss.

20:23

He cleaned them up. Yeah, what

20:26

are you talking about? And then

20:28

he screams in his face. Look

20:30

at what you did. He really

20:32

rubs his nose in it. He

20:34

really does. So I have I

20:36

have thoughts about how I think

20:38

they try to make Dexter palatable

20:40

as a serial killer and how

20:42

it works and well I get

20:44

it works but I don't know

20:46

I think that there are some

20:48

things to it that like if

20:50

you think about it sorts to

20:52

fall apart so like you said

20:54

right he's a neat monster and

20:56

I think that they try to

20:58

make everything kind of clinical both

21:00

for practical purposes like yeah. he's

21:02

not going to get caught because

21:04

everything is so clean, so sterile,

21:06

he knows how to make sure

21:08

that there isn't evidence left and

21:10

everything. But then that also takes

21:12

away some of the grossness and

21:14

like sickness of serial killers. Like

21:16

he's not like playing around with

21:19

the bodies of people who he's

21:21

killing. he's not like interacting with

21:23

them in really like playing with

21:25

his food sick go ways he

21:27

ties them to a table he

21:29

takes a literal scalpel like he's

21:31

got like a doctor's table set

21:33

up yeah takes a scalpel his

21:35

one like Piccadillo is that he

21:37

keeps a blood what do you

21:39

call a bloodslide of each person

21:41

even that is very clean it's

21:43

like inoffensive so it's it's awesome

21:45

But it's all presented as very

21:47

like clinical. So yes, Dexter is

21:49

a killer, but he's not like

21:51

a gross sicko killer. No, of

21:53

course not. So then we can

21:55

like accept him or whatever. We

21:57

have to be able to like

21:59

him. One thing that

22:01

I think an area where this sort

22:04

of like is it falls apart a

22:06

little bit or it's a little confusing

22:08

is him getting them naked because there's

22:10

not a lot of reason for that

22:13

except for he likes it. So one

22:15

area where I was thinking about this

22:17

was, I was like, okay, so maybe

22:20

he's getting them naked and a way

22:22

that you could explain that is that

22:24

he's taking their clothes off, he's putting

22:26

them in a specific area so that

22:29

if they're searching his kill room place,

22:31

then they're not going to find fibers

22:33

from this dude's pants in this kill

22:35

room. He's got it all squared away

22:38

and you don't have to worry about

22:40

that. But then they show his very

22:42

first kill ever, which was this nurse

22:45

who was attending to Harry his father

22:47

when Harry was in the hospital. Yeah,

22:49

this was a big coincidence. Yeah, this

22:51

worked out. But he kills her in

22:54

her own home, and yet still gets

22:56

her naked. Ah. By the way, this

22:58

is all just me making up in

23:01

my head. It's not like we know

23:03

that. I'm fascinated by this. You're right.

23:05

It's not that we know that he's

23:07

taking their clothes off so that their

23:10

trace evidence isn't in the place, but

23:12

you're trying to make sense of a

23:14

thing that is otherwise unexplained. And I

23:17

hadn't considered it. It's completely unnecessary to

23:19

make them nude. Yeah, so like, I

23:21

think the real answer is that it's

23:23

a creepy image. Yes, they're exposed. Nudity

23:26

is titillating on TV. They want to

23:28

give. Well, there's not much exposed nudity.

23:30

Everything is wrapped in plastic. But even

23:32

a little something. To a point where

23:35

the plastic becomes opaque. but i think

23:37

it also makes for TV purposes it's

23:39

giving the audience a little something i

23:42

think it's maybe i do think cynically

23:44

i think that that is for the

23:46

audience it's it's a little perverse yeah

23:48

okay i guess yeah i think you're

23:51

right about that um but yeah sorry

23:53

no that's okay but so if it's

23:55

in her home like why did you

23:58

get her naked yeah it's just because

24:00

Dexter wants to get them naked yes

24:02

and that's not explored there there there's

24:04

a quality of Dexter that see if

24:07

you agree with me on this We've

24:09

talked a lot about saw. Jigsaw's, all

24:11

of his rules, his perspective on himself,

24:14

and like, I've never, well, I've never

24:16

killed it, what? I never, I'm not

24:18

a killer? I just like insist that

24:20

he's on the up and up. Daxter

24:23

does the exact same thing. These two,

24:25

Jigsaw and Daxter, are both very naval

24:27

gazey, very egotistical and and... Yeah, they

24:29

feel very justified. arrogant monsters with consciences

24:32

in some sense. And like, no one

24:34

really, for my money, has ever challenged

24:36

either one of them to a satisfactory

24:39

degree and been like, but why would

24:41

you do this then if you're so

24:43

up and up? And I think what

24:45

you're bringing up of the nudity is

24:48

exactly one of those things that like

24:50

I wish that somebody would be like,

24:52

why do you do it this way?

24:55

And I know that they spend, and

24:57

now we've got these new shows that

24:59

are coming out that are gonna go

25:01

even further to constantly spin their wheels

25:04

on how special and unique Dexter is

25:06

and why does he do what he

25:08

does, but no one ever asks the

25:10

real questions that I'm curious about, where

25:13

it's just like. But Dexter, like, you're

25:15

not doing a good thing at all

25:17

and hears this one weird idiosyncrasy of

25:20

your process that serves no purpose. Right.

25:22

So that's just because you like it.

25:24

That's just satisfying something in you. Acknowledge

25:26

that you like this and you just

25:29

want to. Right. Like Sydney says, there

25:31

is no one else to blame. Exactly,

25:33

that's really true. The only other thing

25:36

I could think of that could be

25:38

like a logical reason, quote unquote, for

25:40

him doing that is that it could

25:42

be cleaner cuts because you're not cutting

25:45

through clothes then or something? He's usually

25:47

still cutting straight through the... the plastic

25:49

over their chest. Totally. I thought that

25:52

too. He goes right through the chest.

25:54

So I think it's just he's got

25:56

he's got a little thing about it.

25:58

Maybe he's got a thing about undressing

26:01

them, whatever. So it's really not that

26:03

he's not such a sicko and that

26:05

it's just whatever. He's still a sicko,

26:07

but he likes to pretend that he's

26:10

not. Yes. also constantly being like I'm

26:12

a monster I'm a monster I'm a

26:14

creep Yeah, he just like the the

26:17

naval gazing of this stuff is so

26:19

crazy So let's almost like every two

26:21

sentences him being like but I'm different.

26:23

I'm so fascinating I'm so unique and

26:26

cool. Let's talk about that. Let's talk

26:28

about the code of Harry and all

26:30

that. Okay. Yeah. And how that has

26:33

made him who he is. I think

26:35

I think old Harry did Dexter no

26:37

favors. Yeah. By nurturing and reinforcing this

26:39

whole like, yes, you are different decks.

26:42

Yeah, Harry is Dr. Lumis from Halloween,

26:44

being like, there's no light behind his

26:46

eyes. He's purely and simply evil. Yeah.

26:49

It's like, well, aren't you an educated

26:51

professional in your field who should hopefully

26:53

see more of a spectrum of things

26:55

than just saying that somebody is abjectly,

26:58

incurably bad? Yeah. Both Sam Lewis and

27:00

Harry Morgan, officer, cop Harry Morgan, who's

27:02

adopted now this kid, and is like,

27:04

no, no, no, he's evil and he's

27:07

a serial killer. He's on the path

27:09

to only be a serial killer. And

27:11

that's the end of that. So I

27:14

must help him be a serial killer,

27:16

but in the safest way possible. Yes,

27:18

he will kill but for good. And

27:20

you get the show this season, I

27:23

looked at this up because I know

27:25

that eventually Harry starts appearing as like

27:27

a force ghost in front of Dexter.

27:30

I'll be like, decks, what are you

27:32

doing when Dexter's like at work and

27:34

picks up a knife? But he's not

27:36

a force ghost in this. Like he's

27:39

only in flashbacks in season one. And

27:41

in all those flashbacks, first of all,

27:43

Michael C. Hall plays his younger self.

27:45

Oh my god. That wig. Perfect wigs.

27:48

Holy shit. Long haired wigs. Incredible. What

27:50

a choice. Hilarious. He's so clearly, like,

27:52

I don't know, late 30s, 40? Yeah.

27:55

And he's playing. Come on. It's amazing.

27:57

It's unbelievable. Yeah. But so in those

27:59

flashbacks, even when he's a young kid,

28:01

Harry's being like, decks, what did I

28:04

tell you? You're broken. It's like, what?

28:06

And also, I'm, I'm no expert by

28:08

any stretch, but kids are malleable. Yes.

28:11

You know what I mean? Like, I

28:13

don't think it's baked in. No. So

28:15

certainly, like, the first indication of this

28:17

is Harry found out that decks killed

28:20

a dog or something like that. Yeah.

28:22

And that there have been other animals

28:24

that he killed. Not good. Obviously. No,

28:27

obviously. But do you just then decide,

28:29

okay, this is the way we're going

28:31

and we're going to keep going. Or

28:33

do you try to get him help

28:36

and steer away from things like that?

28:38

One insane choice and to keep reinforcing

28:40

the negative thoughts that Dexter has about

28:42

himself. Because Dexter doesn't like that he

28:45

did that. He confesses it to his

28:47

father. He feels bad about it, but

28:49

his father's like, so you're different decks.

28:52

And we're just gonna have to find

28:54

a way to not control that because

28:56

that implies. Make it worse. Yeah, basically.

28:58

It's so crazy. It's completely crazy, which

29:01

is also fine for a story. Yes,

29:03

of course, of course. Because for, I

29:05

mean, obviously it's not real, but also,

29:08

Harry doesn't need to be infallible. Yeah.

29:10

Except the show constantly reinforces that he's

29:12

kind of infallible. Yeah. And they portrayed

29:14

as if he really didn't have any

29:17

alternative. Yes, like later, later seasons, I

29:19

believe, will start to unravel the lore

29:21

of Harry, but never, again, they never,

29:24

yeah, they'll never ask the pertinent question.

29:26

They'll be like, well, Harry, Harry had

29:28

been sleeping with some of his informants,

29:30

so he wasn't so perfect after all,

29:33

but they'll never be like, Didn't Harry

29:35

know better than to do what he

29:37

did to you Dexter? They never asked

29:39

that. I don't even know if you

29:42

know this because you didn't keep watching

29:44

it. So it doesn't mean I don't

29:46

know everything. Of course I know. You

29:49

may not remember this. Sporlish for the

29:51

whole series of... actually in general in

29:53

this show. Yeah, pausing briefly. Go back,

29:55

go watch eight seasons of Dexter, then

29:58

watch Dexter New Blood, the one season

30:00

follow up. That I don't know what

30:02

I think about. then get ready for

30:05

Dexter original sin coming out the day

30:07

this episode drops and get ready for

30:09

Dexter resurrection. The sequel series coming at

30:11

some point in the future. Next year.

30:14

And then Dexter, who's the boss? And

30:16

then Dexter does Dallas. All these series,

30:18

they're all coming, every one of them.

30:20

There's a spinoff for the Trinity Killer

30:23

being planned. Really? Yes. Everything. Dexter will

30:25

be everything. Everywhere you look. Okay, so

30:27

listen. Watch it all. Later on, Dexter

30:30

goes to a psychologist who it turns

30:32

out helped Harry develop the code. Yeah.

30:34

So a professional. Yeah. Yes. Consulted with

30:36

Harry on this code. It's insane. Here's

30:39

how you would do it. Here's how

30:41

you would turn a child into a

30:43

perfect killing machine. Harry? It's crazy. Dexter

30:46

is as much a victim. Yeah, no,

30:48

he is a victim. But if you

30:50

think about him as a little child,

30:52

because I think the thing with the

30:55

dog killing happened, he must have been

30:57

maybe 10. Well, what would you do

30:59

in real life? I can't pretend to

31:02

know what you would do in real

31:04

life if there's a kid that you

31:06

find out. Certainly not that. Certainly not

31:08

that. You don't jump to that. It's

31:11

certainly. But certainly not that. You don't.

31:13

But certainly not that. You don't find

31:15

it. But certainly not. Certainly that. You're

31:17

different from everybody. You're different from everybody.

31:20

You're different from everybody. You don't have

31:22

feelings. You don't have feelings. You can't

31:24

have feelings. You can't have feelings. You

31:27

can't. You can't. You can't have feelings.

31:29

You can't have feelings. You can't. You

31:31

can't. You can't. It's terrible. Don't forget

31:33

buddy you're fucked up. Merry Christmas decks.

31:36

It's like oh my god dad. So

31:38

it becomes a self-affilling prophecy. Look perhaps.

31:40

Which is fascinating to explore but the

31:43

show never explored. That's the thing. That's

31:45

the complaint is that if the show

31:47

had any awareness of what's more of

31:49

what's the most compelling thing about this

31:52

situation I'd be on board with at

31:54

all. Yeah it's very interesting. They will

31:56

continue to pretend by and large. they

31:59

do a few little, like speaking out

32:01

of the side of their mouth things

32:03

to satisfy people like us, but they

32:05

never explore that Harry was part of

32:08

the problem. The only thing they explore

32:10

as it pertains to Harry is that

32:12

he lied about some things, but it's

32:14

not having to do with the code.

32:17

It's like details of their lives and

32:19

that he cheated on their mom or

32:21

something. Exactly. Oh God, I think I

32:24

lost it. Oh no, I know what

32:26

I was going to say. Look, it

32:28

may very well be that Dexter, what

32:30

is that way or would be that

32:33

way? Yes. But let that unfold naturally

32:35

rather than you constantly telling him and

32:37

reinforcing it. Like try to give him

32:40

help, see if you can steer him.

32:42

in a healthier way, and if that's

32:44

not happening, then you need to adapt

32:46

with that in whatever way that is.

32:49

But don't just automatically be like, nope,

32:51

you are broken, and that's the end

32:53

of it. Well, and challenge the thesis,

32:55

and it may then be reinforced, but

32:58

it'll be even stronger by going through

33:00

that challenge process. I need to see.

33:02

Dexter's worldview of himself and Harry's essentially

33:05

like reinforcement of Dexter's issues really be

33:07

challenged and the show just never ever

33:09

did that. And that's all I would

33:11

really want out of it. So I

33:14

did the same thing. I remember feeling

33:16

like, you know, at least now they'd

33:18

done these sort of prequels which are

33:21

doing the Dexter thing of making jigsaw

33:23

seem somehow benevolent. Right. But like, I

33:25

remember, you know, Jigsaw dies in one

33:27

of the movies and I was like,

33:30

he just died without anyone ever really

33:32

challenging him. Yeah, like examining this or

33:34

like causing him to examine himself. Yeah,

33:37

he got away with it all by

33:39

the end. It's just like. Yeah, so

33:41

he had a happy ending. Overall unsatisfying

33:43

to me, from a story perspective. Yeah,

33:46

totally. Even if I love the wacky

33:48

serial killer hijinks, which obviously we've got

33:50

to get into. Yeah, absolutely. So you

33:52

know what? Maybe we should take a

33:55

little commercial break and then come back

33:57

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33:59

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39:37

The ice truck killer is what

39:39

makes this entire season sort of

39:41

tick. Yeah, sing becomes a symphony

39:43

of sickness. Symphony of murder. Dexter's

39:45

called to a crime scene. He's

39:48

the blood spatter guy. But, Dex,

39:50

no blood. Yeah, he's like, whoa.

39:52

He starts to get like lightheaded.

39:54

No blood. What is this?

39:56

out that there's

39:58

some sick old

40:00

serial killer guy guy

40:02

who's killing women. them

40:05

into cutting them into pieces, but all

40:07

the body parts are found at these

40:09

crime scenes, like in like a in like

40:11

a little tableau. there's no And there's no

40:13

blood to be found anywhere. There's

40:15

no blood in the body parts themselves,

40:17

themselves, 100% drained of blood. And Dexter is

40:19

like away by that. Yeah, how can

40:21

this be? and enter the truck truck killer

40:23

who's now gonna leave several bodies around

40:25

the city. Yep. So known because they realize that they

40:28

realized that these bodies had to

40:30

have been refrigerated been, I had to

40:32

have been I this how this

40:34

out has to be has to be transporting

40:36

them while they're refrigerated would would you

40:38

do that? It's with an ice truck.

40:40

It's with an ice truck. Yeah, great

40:42

name. The ice truck killer. That is so like thriller, That is

40:44

so Dexter then one night he's driving I love

40:46

it. and Dexter, then one night he's

40:48

driving around Miami and he sees

40:50

an ice truck to just gets it. Yeah,

40:53

hair to sort of follow it. end up

40:55

what if? And they end up

40:57

coming face a face on a dead

40:59

end bridge and the ice truck killer

41:01

drives past Dexter's car throw throws something

41:03

onto the windshield and it's a

41:06

severed head. head. Wow! It's so, all of It's so,

41:08

all of this stuff, all of

41:10

the real meat and potatoes, cat and

41:12

mouse serial killer plot, killer so is so

41:14

like pitch perfect heightened reality I love

41:16

I love it. so

41:19

so much fun to

41:21

watch. Totally, it's delightful. And

41:23

you want, when you've got a character

41:25

like got a he's, you know, as much

41:27

as he's a crazed killer, know, as the

41:29

purposes of our show, he's also the

41:31

lead detective in a sense. show, you want

41:33

Sherlock Holmes to have sense. some sort

41:35

of a villain Holmes is his equal. a you

41:38

wanted to have some sort of equal. out there.

41:40

A real challenge. some And the ice truck killer

41:42

turns out to be exactly that. We've already

41:44

said that we're gonna spoil everything, turns out I'm just

41:46

gonna go ahead and say it now. We've I

41:48

don't know why we keep dancing around it. around

41:50

it. It turns out over the course of the

41:52

season we'll discover. we'll discover was a child. was

41:55

a saw his mother mother being

41:57

killed with a chainsaw in front of

41:59

him in a show And he was

42:01

then locked in that container with her for

42:03

three days before Harry Morgan saved him. Born

42:05

in blood. Born in blood. That's what he

42:07

says is the origin of his dark passenger.

42:10

Right. But it turns out if you just

42:12

nudge the camera a little bit to the

42:14

left, there's another kid in there with him.

42:16

Biny. Biny, his older brother. whose

42:18

name is Brian. Brian. But apparently when

42:21

Dexter was a little kid, he called

42:23

him Biny. And the Ice Truck Killer?

42:25

For me for quite a loop, when

42:27

the show originally aired. I know, you

42:30

really... I don't know, Biny is very

42:32

annoying to me. It's... I... The name

42:34

Biny is annoying to me. I know,

42:36

but it's about a three-year-old who can't

42:39

pronounce his older brother's name. Yes, I

42:41

know, I'm not saying I'm right. I'm

42:43

going to admit something to you now.

42:45

I almost cried at the end of

42:48

the show. I found one element of

42:50

it to be so sad. In like

42:52

kind of like a sweet way, and

42:55

it's about them as kids. Yeah. But

42:57

so essentially, Dexter's older brother Brian didn't

42:59

get to be adopted by a cop

43:01

who had a code and tried to

43:04

rein in his dark passenger as they

43:06

say. And by the way, what the

43:08

hell? Why? Oh I know, it's crazy.

43:10

This too really, I know. What is

43:13

wrong with Harry? So the thing is,

43:15

is that Harry, Dexter's dad, arrived to

43:17

this crime scene, came in, saw Dexter

43:19

and all the blood, scooped him up

43:22

and left and adopted him, and left

43:24

the other kid? Yes. What is wrong

43:26

with him? Yes. But still is portrayed

43:28

as hero dad. It's terrible. They said

43:31

that Brian was older and therefore he

43:33

was already too broken. So just throw

43:35

him into the system. Which is hypothesizing

43:37

on Brian's part, but also, I don't

43:40

know what else it is. No, it

43:42

appears to be exactly what happened. Well,

43:44

how do we know that? I mean,

43:46

I don't know what else it would

43:49

be. Yeah, I don't know. That's what

43:51

he says. Fair enough. Well, maybe we'll

43:53

see some of this explored in Dexter,

43:55

Original Sin. Perhaps. Which is the prequel.

43:58

he's in the show. That's true. I

44:00

didn't think about that. That could be.

44:02

Who knows? Or maybe we'll delve more

44:04

into Harry Christian Slater now, plays, and

44:07

maybe we'll see more of his darkness.

44:09

I love Christian Slater. What good casting?

44:11

I'm unconvinced of the show. I bet

44:13

it'll be fun, but can it... I

44:16

think it looks... The trailers look really

44:18

fun, but I mean, I don't know

44:20

how it's really going to hand off

44:23

to this show or honor... Like they

44:25

show his first kill, they show all

44:27

these murders, are they gonna redo his

44:29

first killer with this new younger actor?

44:32

You know what I mean? Like they're

44:34

just gonna refil, it's like a remake.

44:36

I don't know. Like a remake plus.

44:38

Why would they redo that first one?

44:41

But I don't know. Why would they

44:43

redo that first one? But I don't

44:45

know, like, how can you not dramatize

44:47

his first kill? On a show about

44:50

him becoming a killer? Yeah, I don't

44:52

know. I don't know. I think it

44:54

looks really fun, at least from the

44:56

trailer, and that's really all I need

44:59

to be. Like, I don't really care.

45:01

Fair enough. But I know, yeah, I

45:03

don't care either. But I was curious.

45:05

Yeah. I like the scaffolding of a

45:08

story. I like to see how these

45:10

things should hopefully complement each other, but

45:12

I'm not sure how they can. and

45:14

realize that Dexter is like him. He

45:17

likes to kill too. Maybe the two

45:19

of us could be killers together. Killer's

45:21

together. And Dexter has this adopted sister

45:23

Deb. So from Brian's perspective, that's your

45:26

fake sister. She's your fake family. Let's

45:28

kill her together. So you can break

45:30

this stupid code of yours. And then

45:32

we can go off into the sunset

45:35

and be serial killer bros together. Right.

45:37

And I feel like that's a very

45:39

compelling. It totally is. It's an offer

45:41

on the table to Dexter who for

45:44

so long has thought that he was

45:46

so special and unique to find out

45:48

that there are two of him essentially.

45:50

Is world shaking? Oh. is a totally,

45:53

like, again, I feel like it's like,

45:55

like, perfect little scenario for a story.

45:57

Oh, it's awesome. And also within that,

46:00

before he gets to find that out

46:02

or anything, the ice truck killer, who

46:04

he doesn't know is his brother, is

46:06

like engaging him and playing a little

46:09

game in all these ways. Yeah, he

46:11

throws ahead at his windshield, sure, which

46:13

could have interrupted him if Dexter was

46:15

mid-eat, because he loves to eat in

46:18

his car. What does that say about

46:20

me? Kristen. Do I have a dark

46:22

passenger and is it often a snack?

46:24

Yes it is. Kristen, why won't you

46:27

let me get to know you? Keep

46:29

me at arm's length. Dexter says that-

46:31

You don't tell me about your medical

46:33

issues at all. Um, Dexter says that

46:36

the perfect car eating food is a

46:38

pulled pork sandwich though? That's wrong. That

46:40

is crazy. That is such a messy

46:42

thing to eat. That's how dokes knew.

46:45

See, at the table a pulled pork

46:47

sandwich is hard to eat. To eat

46:49

that, that's insane. But so anyway, yeah,

46:51

he throws the head or whatever. But

46:54

also, you know, Dexter comes home one

46:56

day and there is a Barbie head

46:58

on his freezer. Yeah, this is cool.

47:00

The ice truck killer made a little

47:03

magnet of a Barbie head and he's

47:05

like, oh my God, he's engaging me.

47:07

So then he opens the freezer and

47:09

there's a Barbie that's all chopped up

47:12

just like the ice truck killer's previous

47:14

corpse. So he's like, oh my God,

47:16

we're playing a game or whatever. And

47:18

it's, you know, then it's on. And

47:21

so they keep having just these little

47:23

like back and forth and it's great.

47:25

The iconography of the show is wonderful.

47:28

That chopped up Barbie, the bloodslides all

47:30

in a row in his little bloodslide

47:32

box, his trophies, and then all of

47:34

a sudden the ice tricular starts leaving

47:37

little messages for Dexter, like putting a

47:39

squiggly smiley face to reveal that all

47:41

the bodies are being left at places

47:43

that were personal significance to Dexter growing

47:46

up. And it's just like every, every

47:48

little visual icon. Yeah. They all, they're

47:50

all, they're all, they're cool. Like they're

47:52

appealing. Spooky cool. Yeah, even the Ice

47:55

Truck Killer will, like he paints the

47:57

fingernails of victims all a different color

47:59

for each nail and it turns out

48:01

that that's because their their mom did

48:04

that with her nail. So that's also

48:06

like a little cluted Dexter, because he

48:08

doesn't remember that. Yeah, Dexter has no

48:10

memory of this past, yeah. So, you

48:13

know, from from Brian the ice truck

48:15

killer's perspective, that's like a big Easter

48:17

egg to Dexter, but Dexter doesn't know

48:19

that, but it's just like, it's cool.

48:22

And it lets these things hide in

48:24

plain sight to the rest of the

48:26

cops because it's so personal. Appealing. I

48:28

love that kind of thing. It's excellent.

48:31

Yes. Dexter is being very risky with

48:33

that Barbie head by the way. Dexter

48:35

would be caught 10 ways to Sunday.

48:37

Absolutely, this guy is so reckless in

48:40

the real world. At one point a

48:42

kid fully... Dokes has his number, I

48:44

mean... I know, Dokes. Yeah. Surprise, motherfucker!

48:46

I didn't realize that happened in this

48:49

season. I was thinking that happened in

48:51

season too, because Dokes is this other

48:53

detective on the Forks. The Forks? I

48:56

was thinking about eating in the car.

48:58

That is usually crossing the line for

49:00

me as utensils. But anyway, Dokes is

49:02

another cop on the force. And in

49:05

the first episode, Dexter is like a

49:07

whole, you know, department full of cops

49:09

and somehow Dokes is the only one

49:11

who gets the creeps from me. And

49:14

Dokes is on his case, the whole

49:16

first season. The whole way. I'm watching

49:18

you freak. Yeah, totally. He does, he

49:20

is like, there's something wrong with them.

49:23

He's right. He's totally right. And at

49:25

the end of the first season, Dokes

49:27

is following his instincts and he can

49:29

tell that there is some sort of

49:32

connection between Dexter and the Ice Truck

49:34

Killer. He doesn't know what it is,

49:36

but he's like, there is something, there's

49:38

something going on that's not just Dexter,

49:41

that that's where. This is the. that

49:43

our mother was killed in. Yes. And

49:45

by this point, the ice truck killer

49:47

has gotten engaged to Deb. Yes, because

49:50

in real life he's pretending to be

49:52

some guy named Rudy who does prosthetic

49:54

work, which is great. Yes. That's a

49:56

great hiding and plain sight job for

49:59

a guy who just members people as

50:01

he makes prosthetics. And boy, he must

50:03

be, he must have gotten good at

50:05

it. Like he's, it seems like he's

50:08

a very respected prosthetics doctor. He also

50:10

killed somebody to take their name and

50:12

job though. No, I know, but I

50:14

think he's like done it. Well, I

50:17

guess so, yeah. He's, well, I guess,

50:19

I guess he could just be lying.

50:21

Yeah, he used to be lying. Remember,

50:24

he used to be lying. I assume

50:26

he's lying about everything. Yeah. He's, he's

50:28

way messier than he appears to make.

50:30

I assume that he must have actually

50:33

done some of it while he was

50:35

there, because he's been in the community

50:37

for a little while. True, yeah. I

50:39

guess I don't know. Who knows? But

50:42

anyway, he ends up getting engaged to

50:44

Dexter's sister Deb and then he kidnaps

50:46

her to like lure Dexter to him

50:48

so they can do the killing thing

50:51

that we'll just talked about. And so

50:53

yeah, Dexter's like going to find him

50:55

and it's at the shipping container place.

50:57

And yeah, Dokes pops out of nowhere

51:00

and he's like, surprise, motherfucker. And it's

51:02

great. It's great. And it doesn't go

51:04

anywhere here on my yard. It seems

51:06

like it's coming to a head. It

51:09

should, yeah, well, whatever. And it will.

51:11

So let me tell you the thing

51:13

that almost made me cry. Oh yeah.

51:15

Dexter ends up confronting his brother at

51:18

their childhood home. The Dexter has really

51:20

no memory of except as he's walking

51:22

in, it's like the shining. He starts

51:24

getting these flashes of like, remembering, running

51:27

it through the yard. And so he

51:29

literally, it's traumatized in front of him,

51:31

that young Dexter like runs past grown

51:33

up Dexter and goes to hide behind

51:36

behind behind a tree because he's playing

51:38

hide behind a tree because he's playing

51:40

hide and seek with biny. And then

51:42

at one point Dexter was walking through

51:45

the house, and he's just getting like

51:47

these like phantom memories of things. And

51:49

I remember at the time being like,

51:52

oh, come on, and like rolling my

51:54

eyes at this? This hit me in

51:56

a weird way this time. I'm not

51:58

even fully sure what it is. He

52:01

ends up, he opens a door to

52:03

I think what would have been a

52:05

playroom or something. And he sees the

52:07

young. himself and Brian, like on the

52:10

ground, playing with toys and stuff. And

52:12

memory Dexter, a little boy three-year-old Dexter

52:14

looks up and impossibly sees his adult

52:16

self. And they, and just goes, hi.

52:19

And Dexter's like, hi. There's something that

52:21

there's something just so interesting about that

52:23

like and I know it's like it's

52:25

maybe a little overwrought but like the

52:28

broken adult guy seeing what might have

52:30

been a version of himself before it

52:32

all went wrong yeah and like this

52:34

is like there's no going back there's

52:37

no fixing anything right this kid is

52:39

dead essentially yeah and it's like it's

52:41

just like a shadow of what could

52:43

have been and but then weirdly the

52:46

memory of him he goes look out

52:48

yeah because adult Brian sneak up behind

52:50

Dexter to in to like attack him

52:52

yeah And it's like that's like a

52:55

weird subconscious thing too of like did

52:57

adult Dexter hear the sound of something

52:59

almost imperceptibly behind him and then in

53:01

his like psychotic you know shining ghost

53:04

version of himself yeah the little boy

53:06

version of him what was warning him

53:08

you're being attacked from behind right I'm

53:10

not like sure what that moment is

53:13

but for whatever reason it put like

53:15

a lump in my throat for a

53:17

moment or just like there's like something

53:20

that's just so tragic about this kid

53:22

who then grows up and gets like

53:24

twisted into monster man yeah no that

53:26

is tragic it's sad and they make

53:29

you cry no No,

53:31

not this time. That pulled pork sandwich.

53:33

That look, I told you, that one

53:35

really threw me for a loop though.

53:37

It didn't make me cry, but I

53:39

was just like, what are you talking

53:42

about? He was, because also it was

53:44

a comparison to a banana. He was

53:46

like, this is good, but a pulled

53:48

pork sandwich is the ultimate. And I

53:51

was like, I hate bananas, but that's

53:53

clearly such a more sensible car food.

53:55

Yeah. It has like a handle. Yeah,

53:57

it has a handle. just, it didn't

54:00

make sense to me. If you hold

54:02

a banana like a gun, it's harder

54:04

to eat is what I'm saying. Definitely.

54:06

Now, the show will end with Dexter

54:08

having to decide between Deb and the

54:11

Ice Truck Killer and obviously he chooses

54:13

Deb. Yeah. Maybe he is a... trying

54:15

to prove that he's different from the

54:17

ice truck killer or whatever and even

54:20

though he feels this sort of draw

54:22

to his brother who he didn't know

54:24

existed until now he does say like

54:26

you're still a monster and you need

54:29

to be put down yeah and so

54:31

he will kill the ice truck killer

54:33

yeah and make it look like a

54:35

suicide essentially to get away with it

54:37

which is fun that's a fun conclusion

54:40

yeah it's a suitable conclusion it's emotionally

54:42

destructive to Dexter who's like But the

54:44

real way the show ends is with

54:46

Dexter and Deb showing up at just

54:49

whatever the next crime scene is, and

54:51

Dexter imagining, and this I think is

54:53

also fascinating, and I wish that they

54:55

would explore, and they never do, him

54:58

being like, I can never tell people

55:00

how cool I am, but if they

55:02

did, perhaps they'd hold a parade. They

55:04

would love it. And yeah, people, he

55:06

envisions people like on either side of

55:09

him as he walks toward the crime

55:11

scene and like, good job decks. You

55:13

know, what do you take out the

55:15

trash? And like, when you mess with

55:18

one of us, you mess with all

55:20

of us. There's like all these big

55:22

guys that are like, we like what

55:24

you do. Yeah. And like, what's it

55:27

called? Like a plane with a banner.

55:29

Banner. That's like, thank you, Dexter. Confetti

55:31

and stuff. And then it ends with

55:33

the fun, dark music and he looks

55:35

right in the camera smiling. Here's the

55:38

thing. In that final episode, he doesn't

55:40

make it all the way right into

55:42

the camera. Which is annoying. Oh you're

55:44

right, he's sort of glancing blows. He

55:47

almost gets there. Fades. Just disappears. Because

55:49

we didn't mention, not in every episode,

55:51

but in many episodes, he looks right

55:53

into the camera at the end. Which

55:56

is weird. It's strange to me that

55:58

you wouldn't do it in every episode

56:00

or none. It's weird that just every

56:02

once in a while, he'll be like,

56:04

and I. want to play. I want

56:07

to play a lot. And look in

56:09

the camera. And then other ones just

56:11

end normal. Me want murder now. It's

56:13

strange. Can I has murder? And then

56:16

of all episodes, the final one for

56:18

him to just almost get there, but

56:20

then it fades out before he gets

56:22

all the way there. I was like,

56:25

what? You're right. It's very weird. That

56:27

is very, very weird. But are we

56:29

perhaps his dark passenger? We're the ones

56:31

who I want him to kill. But

56:33

how would that relate to him not

56:36

making it? I don't know. It's just

56:38

embarrassing the best take they had. I

56:40

think it's I honestly think it's that.

56:42

I think that just for some reason

56:45

it didn't connect and there was like

56:47

oh shit well we can't like hold

56:49

the whole parade again. I know this

56:51

is gonna cost thousands gotta clean up

56:54

all this confetti. God damn it Michael

56:56

C. Hall. We just gotta use this

56:58

one. What did I tell you, you

57:00

dingbat? Look into the lens. But they

57:02

never explored that, like, his grandiosity, his

57:05

delusion that he is, he would be

57:07

exalted. And also the fact that he

57:09

even thinks that way shows he does

57:11

have feelings. Oh, he certainly does have

57:14

feelings. He says, it's very, uh, doth

57:16

protest too much. He says a lot,

57:18

like, I'm empty, like this donut box,

57:20

I yada yada yada, yada, but like,

57:23

you know, he'll say, if I had

57:25

feelings for anyone, they would be for

57:27

death. So you're clearly feeling something, and

57:29

you're pretending that you're pretending that you

57:31

don't. You like the idea of people

57:34

appreciating what you do. So you like

57:36

something. Like you have these feelings and

57:38

you just, you can't handle the idea

57:40

that you have them? Yes. Because you

57:43

had it grounded to you since you

57:45

were 10 years old that you have

57:47

no feelings. So now. Empty. Yeah, now

57:49

it's too hard to admit to yourself

57:52

that you do because it makes you

57:54

vulnerable in a way that you're not

57:56

used to being vulnerable. You're used to

57:58

being vulnerable in the sense that you

58:01

could get caught for murdering, but not

58:03

in an emotional connection sense. Yeah, it's

58:05

very unsatisfying. all of that. It's weird.

58:07

Did you look at the book at

58:09

all? No. I have some, I have

58:12

some errant sort of like things to

58:14

share with you. Although before I do

58:16

that, I do also want to call

58:18

out that one of the many subplots

58:21

is that a kid seized extra kill

58:23

and the entire episode is like, oh

58:25

my god, he's going to give a

58:27

description to a police sketch artist. This

58:30

could be it. This could be Dexter

58:32

getting turned in, because when there's a

58:34

drawing of Dexter as the killer, what's

58:36

he gonna say about it? Yeah. And

58:38

at the very end of the episode,

58:41

he finally looks at the drawing. And

58:43

it's of Jesus Christ. Oh boy. It's

58:45

a drawing of Jesus of Nazareth. Yeah.

58:47

And it's just like, what are we

58:50

saying here? This isn't going to help

58:52

anything. If Dexter didn't already love himself

58:54

too much, him seeing that he's Jesus

58:56

to this kid, he's a genuine Savior.

58:59

I know. This is insane. The show

59:01

overstepping. Absolutely, what do we mean? Greatly.

59:03

Actually, before we probably wrap up with

59:05

you talking about the book, because it's

59:07

the source material, I do have just

59:10

a couple of stray things I would

59:12

like to point out. Please, please. Okay,

59:14

so, Dexter is on some sort of

59:16

directory for, what's it called, the chemical

59:19

that he uses to inject into people

59:21

to make them pass out, and the

59:23

name that he uses to be incognito

59:25

on the registry for this is Dr.

59:28

Patrick Patrick Batrick Bateman. And he thinks

59:30

this is helping him fly under the

59:32

radar and his voice over says, Dr.

59:34

Patrick Bateman, so wholesome, so inconspicuous. Yeah,

59:36

okay. He says that out loud? No,

59:39

no, no, the voiceover. No, I know,

59:41

I know, I know. But like, I

59:43

don't even remember that at all. Yes,

59:45

yeah, because he's like, I have to

59:48

take this away, but it was such

59:50

a good cover. So wholesome. It's a

59:52

horrible cover. My name is Hannibal Lachton.

59:54

Right, like it's really not very inconspicuous.

59:57

You can call me Norman Bates. I

59:59

think I remember when we saw this

1:00:01

we were like, whoa. There's a little,

1:00:03

during kind of like a subplot part

1:00:05

where Angel Misuka and Dexter are at

1:00:08

a club, Misuka is dancing and romancing

1:00:10

with a lady and she goes away

1:00:12

for a minute by saying, I gotta

1:00:14

take a squirt. Oh my God. And

1:00:17

then Misuka makes out with her before

1:00:19

she goes to the bathroom. Yeah, what

1:00:21

is up with Misuka? He's

1:00:24

a freak. Boy, I'm glad he's

1:00:26

in the prequel series. That guy's

1:00:28

giggle was perfect though. It was

1:00:30

a perfect giggle in the trailer.

1:00:32

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Brian

1:00:34

is preparing his last bundle of

1:00:36

body parts. He sings to himself,

1:00:38

dead the holes with parts of

1:00:40

bodies. He does that great. Because

1:00:42

he's going to put them under

1:00:44

a Christmas. I'm fine with that.

1:00:46

Yeah. And one of the elves

1:00:48

who is working at this Christmas

1:00:50

tree thing was in Seinfeld. She's

1:00:52

one of the little people who

1:00:54

was with, what's his name? Mickey.

1:00:56

Yeah, Mickey. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She

1:00:58

went out with Mickey. And also,

1:01:00

Brian slash Rudy is such a

1:01:02

dork. I know that Deb is

1:01:04

very in love with him and

1:01:06

that he's like, you know, trying

1:01:08

to be extra suave and everything

1:01:10

because he's trying to get to

1:01:12

it closer to Deb. And when

1:01:14

he lures her to a yacht

1:01:16

because he wants to propose to

1:01:18

her, whatever, and Deb sees the

1:01:20

yacht, it's like all lit up

1:01:22

with like twinkle lights and stuff,

1:01:24

and she sees it, and she

1:01:26

goes, F me. And she had

1:01:28

said that she can only stop

1:01:30

by briefly because she had to

1:01:32

get back to work to work

1:01:34

on the ice truck killer case,

1:01:36

and he goes, I believe you're

1:01:38

a rule specifically prohibits such action.

1:01:40

What a dork. What? What? She

1:01:42

says, F me! Oh. And he

1:01:45

goes, I believe your rule specifically

1:01:47

prohibits such action. Yes, he is.

1:01:49

He also says, at some point,

1:01:51

she's like, he's like, I've got

1:01:53

something that you could use. She

1:01:55

goes, well, and he goes, my

1:01:57

two love and arms or something.

1:01:59

I've seen this first season a

1:02:01

few times but not in years

1:02:03

so there's some of these like

1:02:05

I remembered I got to take

1:02:07

a squirt when it happened I

1:02:09

was like whoa yeah yeah there's

1:02:11

some rough lines the show what

1:02:13

the show should do because Dexter

1:02:15

is able to sort of like

1:02:17

almost um Almost like psychically pick

1:02:19

up on who's a killer sometimes.

1:02:21

He's like, he's like me. Yeah.

1:02:23

It should be that all these

1:02:25

people who are hiding in plain

1:02:27

sight are always nerds. Yeah. Like

1:02:29

losers. Yeah. They should all be

1:02:31

quoting Anchor Man. You know what

1:02:33

I mean? Like, stay classy. My

1:02:35

God. He's like me. Anchor Man

1:02:37

came out decades ago. Still quoting

1:02:39

it. Tropic thunder is still important

1:02:41

to him. He's different. terrible.

1:02:44

Hiding a plaintiff set by wearing

1:02:46

shirts from Spencer gifts and stuff,

1:02:48

you know. Right, using Dr. Patrick

1:02:50

Bateman. And the last one I

1:02:52

want to point out, which I

1:02:54

also kind of remembered, was that,

1:02:56

um, Dexter says, of Ryan when

1:02:59

he's pursuing him, my devil dance

1:03:01

with his demon and the fiddler's

1:03:03

tune is far from over. I

1:03:05

was like, whoa, holy shit. What

1:03:07

a mouthful. Whoa! There's like, I'm

1:03:09

like, maybe high. There are some

1:03:11

lines in this thing. That line

1:03:13

was like a drug? Yeah, totally.

1:03:15

No, I wrote down a couple

1:03:17

of lines as well. Oh God,

1:03:20

it was just like, got it.

1:03:22

He goes, my sister puts up

1:03:24

a front so the world won't

1:03:26

see how vulnerable she is. Me,

1:03:28

I put up a front. So

1:03:30

the world won't see how vulnerable

1:03:32

I'm not. Okay. Hey, pal. We've

1:03:34

known since minute two. Yeah. We

1:03:36

get it. You don't have feelings.

1:03:38

So, I took a look at

1:03:40

the book. Great. Darkly dreaming Dexter.

1:03:43

It only came out two years

1:03:45

earlier, written by Jeff Lindsay. And

1:03:47

I listened to the audio book

1:03:49

of it, which I hoped Michael

1:03:51

C. Hall would read. It's Jeff

1:03:53

Lindsay himself reading. And he does

1:03:55

a fine job. It is confusing.

1:03:57

Almost all of the book is

1:03:59

presented from Dexter's subjective. monologue and

1:04:01

up until like the last chapter

1:04:04

he thinks he himself is the

1:04:06

ice truck killer. What? Wow, okay.

1:04:08

It is messy. You know what?

1:04:10

Actually, I saw a read it

1:04:12

post where somebody was like, it

1:04:14

was actually funny. They were watching

1:04:16

Dexter for the first time, it

1:04:18

was like a couple of years

1:04:20

ago, and they were updating the

1:04:22

post as they kept watching it,

1:04:25

and they thought at one point

1:04:27

that the Ice Truck Killer was

1:04:29

like an alter ego of Dexter's

1:04:31

that they didn't realize. And they

1:04:33

hadn't read the book or anything.

1:04:35

The book plays with that up

1:04:37

until like the very last minute.

1:04:39

Dexter's looking at security footage of

1:04:41

the killer. And he's me. Ah,

1:04:43

okay. It's too much. The book

1:04:46

is quite messy for my taste,

1:04:48

which is fine. But I also

1:04:50

know that in future novels, they

1:04:52

will start to say outright that

1:04:54

the dark passenger of Dexter's is

1:04:56

a literal demon. Yes. It's literally

1:04:58

supernatural. Yes. And the dark passenger

1:05:00

will leave him and he's normal

1:05:02

until it returns to him. Yeah.

1:05:04

What? But I also found an

1:05:07

AMA because I was like, where

1:05:09

does Dexter come from? What is

1:05:11

this? So Jeff Lindsay did an

1:05:13

AMA about just over a decade

1:05:15

ago in which all he said,

1:05:17

they were like, would you get

1:05:19

the idea for Dexter? And he

1:05:21

goes, watching a group of businessmen

1:05:23

eat lunch. It occurred to me

1:05:25

that serial murder wasn't always a

1:05:28

bad thing. And I was like,

1:05:30

all right, well, so that's a

1:05:32

joke about. Okay. businessman eating lunch

1:05:34

and you want to kill them

1:05:36

all. So what's the what's the

1:05:38

real answer though? Yeah, right. And

1:05:40

he didn't didn't elaborate, but then

1:05:42

somebody else is like, where'd you

1:05:44

get the idea for Dexter? He

1:05:46

wasn't joking. And he goes, I

1:05:49

answered that up above. Yeah, maybe

1:05:51

wasn't kidding. What? Oh, okay. Maybe

1:05:53

he has his own dark passenger.

1:05:55

Interesting. Yeah. He said that they

1:05:57

never got the sense of humor

1:05:59

that's important in the books. Okay.

1:06:01

What? And he said, I personally

1:06:03

don't take any TV show over

1:06:05

a book, except maybe NFL. He

1:06:07

prefers the show National Football League

1:06:10

of the novel. The

1:06:12

football novels. I gotta tell you

1:06:14

if that's the kind of humor.

1:06:16

Those football novels. If that's the

1:06:18

kind of humor that's present in

1:06:20

the Dexter books, I'm not impressed.

1:06:22

spoiler alert, it is. Then somebody

1:06:24

said, you worked as a consultant

1:06:26

on the first season of Dexter.

1:06:28

I'm curious as to why you

1:06:30

did not continue consulting for the

1:06:33

show. His response, A, didn't want

1:06:35

to. B, neither did they. C,

1:06:37

I cost too much. Without me,

1:06:39

they could afford two caterers. Boy,

1:06:41

okay. All right. The books and

1:06:43

the show veer after this first

1:06:45

story. This essentially season one is

1:06:48

in an adaptation of Darkly Dreaming

1:06:50

Dexter. Yeah. But then all the

1:06:52

novels go in a completely different

1:06:54

direction and the show goes in

1:06:56

a completely different direction of its

1:06:58

own. Okay. It does appear that

1:07:00

the show stories are more aligned

1:07:02

with my taste. And the novels

1:07:04

have stopped. There's not been a

1:07:06

novel in about a decade now.

1:07:08

Okay. The show obviously is continuing.

1:07:10

So I understand you're going to

1:07:12

watch Original Sin, the new show.

1:07:15

I'm kind of looking forward to

1:07:17

it. Yeah, I think it looks

1:07:19

really good. I'm optimistic. It's my

1:07:21

kind of show that they will

1:07:23

have, just like the show feels

1:07:25

like a much needed additional draft

1:07:27

over what the novel was in

1:07:29

my opinion. I hope that like,

1:07:31

I hope that whoever is making

1:07:33

the show knows some of the

1:07:35

stuff that like would, would really

1:07:37

kick this premise up to a

1:07:39

better notch. Yeah, totally. In today's

1:07:42

day and age, explore some of

1:07:44

the stuff that we've been talking

1:07:46

about here. Yeah. I would really

1:07:48

love to see like Harry really

1:07:50

get sort of like evaluated. I

1:07:52

mean, obviously Harry looks much more

1:07:54

present. He's alive. So yeah, yeah.

1:07:56

Obviously, and also it's only based

1:07:58

on the trailer that I saw

1:08:00

and maybe another teaser, but I

1:08:02

think they both have. the same

1:08:04

kind of tone. It looks like

1:08:06

they're a little bit more fun

1:08:09

and a little bit less serious.

1:08:11

Yeah, yeah. So yeah, I think

1:08:13

it looks good. And then of

1:08:15

course there's going to be another

1:08:17

show, which is starring Michael C.

1:08:19

Hall himself continuing Dexter's life rather

1:08:21

than being a prequel, Dexter Resurrection.

1:08:23

Right, because the deal is, and

1:08:25

again we're doing all spoilers, I

1:08:27

didn't watch the sequel to the

1:08:29

original Dexter show, or I watched,

1:08:31

I think one episode of it

1:08:33

or something. Yeah. So there was

1:08:36

the run of Dexter, the original

1:08:38

show, which was eight seasons, and

1:08:40

then like, you know, however many

1:08:42

years later, there was another show,

1:08:44

I wrote it down, oh, it's

1:08:46

called Dexter New Blood. And at

1:08:48

the end of that show, Dexter

1:08:50

dies. Supposedly. I know it's supposedly.

1:08:52

But anyway, Dexter dies. So, and

1:08:54

then, you know, they announced that

1:08:56

there's going to be a show

1:08:58

called Dexter Resurrection starring Michael C.

1:09:00

Hall. So it was like, how

1:09:03

the hell is that going to

1:09:05

happen? But then the trailer for

1:09:07

Dexter original Sin, the one that's

1:09:09

coming out this Friday. or today

1:09:11

when you're listening to it. The

1:09:13

trailer for it is Dexter of

1:09:15

New Blood getting wheeled into an

1:09:17

emergency room and I'm paraphrasing, but

1:09:19

he's like, they say that your

1:09:21

life flashes before your eyes right

1:09:23

before you die. I found that

1:09:25

to be true. It's turning out

1:09:27

to me that it does happen.

1:09:30

So what it seems like is

1:09:32

that he is going into surgery.

1:09:34

The show original sin is him

1:09:36

having this flashback on his life.

1:09:38

Michael C. the internal voice in

1:09:40

original sin. He's going to be

1:09:42

voiceovering that show. And then so

1:09:44

what I assume, and this is

1:09:46

not like such an, you know,

1:09:48

it has to be this, I

1:09:50

assume he's going to, he's going

1:09:52

to live after that surgery. And

1:09:54

that's what Dexter resurrection is going

1:09:57

to be in 2025. Yes. But

1:09:59

I find it weird that both

1:10:01

of those projects are happening seemingly

1:10:03

concurrently. Yes. There's a prequel series

1:10:05

and a sequel series happening simultaneously.

1:10:07

I wonder, I have no idea.

1:10:09

Michael C. Hall is the grown-up

1:10:11

Sheldon narrating Young Sheldon in Dexter

1:10:13

New Blood, but he's also going

1:10:15

to play Big Daddy Sheldon for

1:10:17

a sequel show. It's like if

1:10:19

Young Sheldon and Sheldon, we're airing

1:10:21

at the same time, can you

1:10:24

imagine? I can't, but I can

1:10:26

dream. Me too. It's as if

1:10:28

it's it's it's uh you know

1:10:30

what it's almost like um it's

1:10:32

almost like if Sheldon didn't die

1:10:34

at the end of bank theory

1:10:36

if they have revealed that Sheldon

1:10:38

is still alive. I wonder I

1:10:40

have no idea what this would

1:10:42

be at all I wonder if

1:10:44

they are going to if they

1:10:46

are going to be airing concurrently.

1:10:48

I have no idea, but that

1:10:51

is so weird. Be like Buffy

1:10:53

and Angel, right? Where it's like

1:10:55

Dexter met a serial killer who

1:10:57

got away. Plus Buffy is in

1:10:59

original sin. You're right. Sarah Michelle

1:11:01

Geller is in original sin. Also

1:11:03

the cast of original sin is

1:11:05

so good because it's Sarah Michelle

1:11:07

Geller, Patrick Dempsey, Christian Slater. So

1:11:09

it's like 90s dream boats. Yes.

1:11:11

And it's set, I guess, probably

1:11:13

in the 90s. So. Imagine the

1:11:15

following. Dexter went up against a

1:11:18

serial killer in Dexter Original Sin

1:11:20

when he was young. They got

1:11:22

away. Yeah. But then that same

1:11:24

week, Dexter reunites with them decades

1:11:26

later in Dexter resurrection. That kind

1:11:28

of thing I would love. See,

1:11:30

that's like the kind of like

1:11:32

fun stuff. If you're going to

1:11:34

do this. Yes. Right. I just

1:11:36

think it's weird to have like

1:11:38

shows with subtitles now like their

1:11:40

movies. Dexter, original sin, Dexter, New

1:11:42

Blood, Dexter, resurrection, Dexter, Dexter, Dexter,

1:11:45

X. You know? I guess what

1:11:47

are you going to do? They

1:11:49

want to keep the name Dexter

1:11:51

in there. Yeah, yeah they do.

1:11:53

I guess this is proven to

1:11:55

be a property that I want

1:11:57

to, is this one of those

1:11:59

things that's like in the streaming

1:12:01

era? People loved watching Dexter, so

1:12:03

now they're like got to make

1:12:05

as much Dexter as possible. No,

1:12:07

that's exactly what it is. When

1:12:09

it went to Netflix, it went

1:12:12

to Netflix, it did humongous numbers.

1:12:14

know Netflix? Netflix. You know what

1:12:16

Dexter has for breakfast? Nutflakes. Is

1:12:18

he such a nut? Actually, no,

1:12:20

we know that that's not what

1:12:22

he has for breakfast. Because the,

1:12:24

um... The intro, it shows that

1:12:26

he always makes, I assume that

1:12:28

intro happens every morning. He makes

1:12:30

ham and eggs. He always wakes

1:12:32

up. He makes ham and eggs.

1:12:34

He always wakes up with a

1:12:36

mosquito on his arm. Yeah. Did

1:12:39

you know that Dexter love blood?

1:12:41

Yeah, he loves that. He was

1:12:43

born in it. He's so different.

1:12:45

Ducks are so weird. Last thing,

1:12:47

that intro, where it's like, you

1:12:49

see somebody like pulling strings, like

1:12:51

is it like choking somebody? Oh,

1:12:53

it's the first ASMR video. No,

1:12:55

it wasn't. Because Mrs. Colombo did

1:12:57

this decades ago. The much hated

1:12:59

spinoff of Colombo opens with like

1:13:01

a crime scene. There's garbage on

1:13:03

the floor and like a knife

1:13:06

on the ground and then somebody

1:13:08

comes in and starts cleaning up

1:13:10

the crime scene. It's Detective Frank

1:13:12

Colombo's wife who's picking up after

1:13:14

her husband. He's so messy and

1:13:16

the show is still about her

1:13:18

solving crimes. Mrs. Colombo did it

1:13:20

first. She ate his lunch. But

1:13:22

was it done all like centrally?

1:13:24

Sure. Why not? Let's say yes.

1:13:26

Works for me. Yeah, okay. Well,

1:13:28

there you go. That was season

1:13:30

one of Dexter. We hope you

1:13:33

enjoyed that. I think that we're

1:13:35

gonna be back sometime in the

1:13:37

future to talk about season four.

1:13:39

Yeah, I can't imagine we're going

1:13:41

to do every every season. No,

1:13:43

no, no, no. I'm curious. Is

1:13:45

there anything beyond the Trinity killer

1:13:47

that is really of our interest?

1:13:49

No, I don't think so. There's

1:13:51

that one season where, um, what's

1:13:53

his name? But Tom Hanks's son's

1:13:55

name, not Chet. Chet Hanks. Not

1:13:57

Chet. Chet Hanks did the score

1:14:00

for that whole season. Thank you.

1:14:02

Dally, Will's wife is here. Colin

1:14:04

Hanks. Colin Hanks is a bad

1:14:06

guy in one season, and it's

1:14:08

bad. I was out by it.

1:14:10

I don't know what happens, but

1:14:12

he goes, hello. It's supposed to

1:14:14

be scary but it's beyond not.

1:14:16

He's saying it to Dexter. This

1:14:18

was like what? Huh? It's terrible.

1:14:20

Kill him. Kill him with one

1:14:22

punch. All right everybody. An actor

1:14:24

named like Edward Almost Jr. No.

1:14:27

You're close. You're almost there. Edward

1:14:29

James almost. Thank you. He's in

1:14:31

a team with him. You almost

1:14:33

had it. All right. Okay, there

1:14:35

we go. Enough, Dexter, because listen,

1:14:37

there's gonna be plenty more coming,

1:14:39

not maybe to this show for

1:14:41

a bit, but in general, you

1:14:43

don't need more Dexter is what

1:14:45

we're saying. Yeah, you got plenty.

1:14:47

So thank you so much. We

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broad. Yeah. So you ran a

1:15:08

marathon in the last like 45

1:15:10

seconds? What happened to you? I

1:15:12

don't know. Do good stuff. Good

1:15:14

things will happen to you too,

1:15:16

I'm sure. That's right. All right

1:15:18

everybody. We'll be back next week.

1:15:21

I don't know what we're talking

1:15:23

about yet. We'll figure it out.

1:15:25

But until that time comes. I

1:15:27

do. We. What? Must travel. You

1:15:29

already agreed to something. I did?

1:15:31

I'm having a hard time keeping

1:15:33

up with things that I've said.

1:15:35

I would do. That lifetime TV

1:15:37

movie. It's beginning to look a

1:15:39

lot like murder. Oh God, the

1:15:41

mask is slipping. Until then everybody.

1:15:43

Watch that. Travel time. Yes, back

1:15:45

to another world, go away. Divide.

1:15:49

I mean, I would like if you

1:15:51

watch that in general. Yeah, I'm all

1:15:53

right. It's beginning to look a lot

1:15:55

like murder? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I also,

1:15:57

Ali and I started listening to a

1:15:59

Christmas. thriller that you

1:16:01

you sent. Oh, which one Which

1:16:04

one honey The crossword

1:16:06

the crossword one one. Oh

1:16:08

good, is it good? Yeah, oh

1:16:10

is it good it's fun.

1:16:12

Oh, excellent. excellent crossword

1:16:14

writer Sherlock home, not not

1:16:17

Sherlock what's the name? It's like Charles

1:16:19

Dickens, like Charles Dickens, like, yeah. Christmas

1:16:21

Carol plus, murder. Yeah, a is

1:16:23

also is also, they referenced, yeah,

1:16:25

it's. they referenced

1:16:27

Facebook and meta. Oh, start that

1:16:30

one serve it's a But writer

1:16:32

a an older woman and

1:16:34

she gets an older she

1:16:36

like a puzzle gets, her

1:16:38

doorstep it's very like a puzzle arise

1:16:40

at her doorstep? It's very ice truck killery. It's

1:16:42

very like. It's a very fun

1:16:45

it's puzzle. Yeah, know on a

1:16:47

Christmas adventure and he

1:16:49

falls in love it's the Christmas jigsaw.

1:16:51

Yeah, that one one just came

1:16:53

out this year year. we

1:16:55

finally get to see

1:16:57

jigsaw kiss see Jigsaw kiss. least

1:17:00

i might imagine it's least in

1:17:02

my imagine, just be in

1:17:04

my mind book, so that'll just be

1:17:06

features invites you to succumb

1:17:08

to the darkness invites you to

1:17:10

succumb to the darkness. a masterpiece

1:17:12

of horror director Robert Eggers comes a masterpiece

1:17:14

of horror. He is this creature

1:17:17

is a force powerful than than

1:17:19

evil. He is death itself. Nels

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for a two. We did are under 17

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on a meal without parrot. Only theater's Christmas

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