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What's going on? I don't know.

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Hello, welcome to Guides the

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Unknown. I'm Kristen. And I'm

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her little brother William. And

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this week we are talking

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about season one of Twin

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Peaks, something that we've been putting

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off for a while because it

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felt like a big meatball. Yeah,

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and how do you? take a bite out

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of that big meatball. Yeah, so we

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decided to take it in in little

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pieces, little trumps, that you would break

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up for a little baby to eat. Sure,

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yes. Rather than like, oh, we have

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to catalog everything, we have to know

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every bit of the history so we

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can relay it, we have to, let's

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just talk about a person watching season

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one. I wish I already knew. I

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wish I already had a completely perfect

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encyclopedic knowledge. of this series, of this

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franchise. This next to Blair Witch to

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me is one of those things where

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it's like, if anyone knows anything, they

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know the show. But there are these

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books that like flesh out part of

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the world. I really like an expanded

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universe and I feel like Twin Peaks

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is sort of another one of those

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things. Now here's the thing. I somewhere in

1:07

my brain do know a ton of it. And

1:09

I'm gonna be completely honest with you

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all. I kind of... don't

1:13

want to have to like I must know

1:15

all of this to I kind of want

1:17

to just enjoy it. I think that's

1:20

when I when I first found it when

1:22

I was in my 20s and I like

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loved it then I like did read everything

1:26

like somewhere I do know all of

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the history right but like let's just

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enjoy it man I think it's healthier

1:32

what you're proposing yeah like the show

1:35

was so strange yeah and kind of

1:37

like dream-like and wishy-washy. Yeah. I think

1:39

that- Yeah, it's also hard to rehabilitate

1:41

back. There was stuff that I watched

1:43

in this season that I was like,

1:45

oh my God, I didn't even remember

1:47

that. Yeah, yeah. And I came to

1:50

this, as long as we're doing personal

1:52

histories, I came to the, like many

1:54

things that I obsessively love. I came

1:56

to it late. Yeah. I obviously did not

1:58

watch this as it. I'd be four.

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Four years old. But I don't think

2:03

that I really got into it. I

2:05

knew that you liked it. And that

2:07

was enough of an endorsement for me

2:09

to keep trying. So I've probably seen

2:12

the pilot episode of Twin Peaks like

2:14

a dozen or more times, but I

2:16

never really got past that episode until...

2:19

Maybe a few years before season three.

2:21

Yeah, and and for whatever reason it

2:23

finally clicked and I got it for

2:25

so long I was like I just

2:28

don't get it and I wonder if

2:30

a lot of people have that relationship

2:32

to their show because it is it's

2:34

hard to get I do feel like

2:37

it's something that's easier to just let

2:39

wash over you as like a vibe,

2:41

but you have to accept Yes, yes,

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you almost have to like give in.

2:46

Yes, you absolutely and let yourself go

2:48

floating on the ocean of Twin Peaks

2:50

just be like what's going on? The

2:53

red room? Okay. I'm not going to

2:55

know. One million people who live in

2:57

this town and each have their own

2:59

complicated, you know, A, B, C, D,

3:02

E, F, G plots. Yeah. So it

3:04

took me a while to get it

3:06

to let go. But then I really

3:08

started to love it and realize that

3:11

Twin Peaks more than anything is just

3:13

a vibe. Yeah. And really found myself

3:15

loving it quite a bit. What's your

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history. Yeah, my history with it is

3:20

very weird. Like I had just known

3:22

of it for a long time because

3:24

also I was seven when it came

3:27

out. Yeah. And then, yeah, in my

3:29

20s, I decided like... I just bought

3:31

the box out of it on eBay

3:33

and I was like, all right, I'm

3:36

just gonna like go for it and

3:38

just watch it The DVDs and yeah,

3:40

I bought it and it's it's really

3:43

strange that I like it I feel

3:45

like on paper so much of it

3:47

is stuff that I wouldn't like because

3:49

like what the hell does this mean?

3:52

What's that what's that? But for some

3:54

strange alchemy really works for me interesting

3:56

I watch it and I was like

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instantly into it I really I really

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love it. Yeah, it so you're in

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your 20s. Yeah, he said. Okay. Yeah,

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I think that makes sense. I think

4:08

it's so to watch because it's got

4:10

this kind of like idiosyncratic like it's

4:12

different from everything else thing. Yeah. But

4:14

on the surface it's a relatively easy

4:17

cell. Yeah, very much on the surface.

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It's like, yeah, exclusively at the surface.

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Yes, it's a murder, it's a small

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town murder mystery with a cast of

4:26

quirky characters. Yes, and anyone. But beyond

4:28

that, it's like what the hell's going

4:30

on here. Who killed Laura Palmer? She

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was, you know, the beauty queen from

4:35

high school, but did she have a

4:37

dark secret life connect her to all

4:39

of these eccentric people around town? And

4:42

therefore, how many hours did she have

4:44

in a day? Oh my God. She

4:46

was doing so much stuff. She was

4:48

busy. Yeah. And so the entire show

4:51

is really about Dale Cooper, this FBI

4:53

agent who comes to Twin Peaks, and

4:55

it's his mission to figure out who

4:57

killed Laura Palmer. And by doing that,

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he gets to know these people more

5:02

and more really falls in love with

5:04

the town. And he, more than anything,

5:07

is another eccentric person who you just

5:09

can't help but be like. completely enamored.

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Yeah, he's got like boundless zeal and

5:13

zest for life. He's so excited by

5:16

everything. Yeah. And he's like unbelievably charming

5:18

to watch, not charming as in like

5:20

he's a schmoozer. He's just like, he's

5:22

so sweet. Yes. And strange in his

5:25

own right. Yes. And then ends up

5:27

in this strange town. And it's just

5:29

such a great combination. also this bizarre

5:32

is it a paranormal bent dark evil

5:34

vibe and they already in this season

5:36

talk about some presence in the woods

5:38

stuff like that so how does that

5:41

connect as well yeah there's a darkness

5:43

in the woods and we're just gonna

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so it's a three season show seasons

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one and two ran you know one

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after the other and then there was

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a 25-year gap before season three so

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cool which was like amazing yeah We're

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just going to talk about season one.

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We're not gonna spoil seasons two and

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three. So if you haven't watched Twin

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Peaks before, and you know, you wanna

6:06

watch season one, you could just like,

6:08

you know, ditch this and come back.

6:10

And if you. I don't know, whatever,

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I'm just saying, like, this is a

6:15

safe space. This is a safe space.

6:17

We're not going to spoil who killed

6:19

Laura Palmer, because you don't find out

6:22

in season one. No. So if you're

6:24

interesting, that's what's going to be. Although

6:26

that in and of itself could be

6:28

something of a spoiler. I suppose that's

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true, but still. I say we launch

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think this sounds like fun or

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too complicated. Sometimes when we talk

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about a movie or a show

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or something, we'll do a spoiler

8:00

free to start. Yeah. That way

8:02

we just like set the table

8:04

for anybody who's not super familiar

8:06

with it, give our recommendations, then

8:08

we give a spoiler warning for

8:10

the whole season, I'm saying. What

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if, even after that, we give

8:14

a series warning and beyond that

8:16

we can talk about how events

8:18

from this season might affect the

8:21

foreshadowing of seasons two and three.

8:23

Yeah. What do you think of

8:25

that? Three layers. Yes. We've never

8:27

gone that deep before. I don't

8:29

know what we're going to find.

8:31

It's unprecedented. Yeah. Anything could happen.

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No, I'm into that. Okay. Well,

8:35

before we start, any of this,

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the beginning of Twin Peak starts

8:39

with, you know, obviously, title cards,

8:41

an intro song. I created some

8:43

lyrics for the intro. They're very

8:45

short. It's really just two lyrics,

8:47

I guess I would say. Okay.

8:49

And I recorded myself singing them

8:51

over... the music. Oh, this is

8:54

going to be good. And so

8:56

I just wanted to play that

8:58

for you. It spontaneously came out

9:00

of me. As if from a

9:02

dream. Yeah, when you said it's

9:04

dream-like and strange, I was like,

9:06

that's exactly the way this song

9:08

is. So why don't I go

9:10

ahead and play this? It's 45

9:12

seconds long. Okay. I bet it'll

9:14

feel like 43. What

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is this wondrous town I've seen?

9:26

I like this show. Do I

9:28

have to keep waiting for more?

9:30

Oh, that's it. We can be

9:32

good now. Hey, thanks for putting

9:34

the actual music in... there too.

9:36

You're welcome. Appreciate that. I'm sure

9:38

that the the copyright bots will

9:40

appreciate it too. Some sort of

9:42

digital Angelo Battleamenti was coming for

9:44

your ass now. We'll see what

9:46

happens. Shit. No it'll be fine.

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I thought about it but then

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I was like I think it'll

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be fine. I think it'll be

9:55

fine too. Okay. Just razzing you.

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All right. What do you think?

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I was hoping to get away

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without giving you an opinion. No,

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you can't. That's my song. May

10:05

I just say that there are

10:07

lyrics to that song? Yeah, I

10:09

know, but those are my lyrics

10:11

to the song. That's very good.

10:13

Falling by Julie Cruz. Yeah, lovely.

10:15

No, it's beautiful. Yeah, you did

10:17

a good job. I thought it

10:19

would set the tone. You did

10:21

a really good job. You said

10:23

a really good tone. Thanks. Okay.

10:25

All right, so we're going to

10:28

start spoiler free. Yeah, about this

10:30

wondrous town I've seen. About this

10:32

wondrous town you've seen. You've seen,

10:34

you've seen, you've seen, you've seen,

10:36

you've seen, you've seen, you've seen,

10:38

you've seen, you've seen, you've seen,

10:40

you've seen, you've seen, you've seen,

10:42

you've seen, you've seen, you've seen,

10:44

you've seen, you've seen, you've seen,

10:46

you've seen, you've seen, you've seen,

10:48

you've seen, you, you, you've seen,

10:50

you Recommend or not recommend? I

10:52

mean, recommend. Yeah, recommend. Easy. Quite

10:54

a recommend. But I will say,

10:56

and this is gonna be a

10:58

relatively brief, spoiler free side, I

11:00

have to imagine. Yeah. How can

11:02

you talk about this show? I

11:04

know, it's wild. I mean, I

11:07

feel like we almost covered it

11:09

in the intro. I agree. I

11:11

think that for where this show

11:13

goes, it is like such a,

11:15

like greatness from small beginnings, kind

11:17

of thing, because this is eight

11:19

episodes. 7 or 8? Depends on

11:21

how you count. Yeah, I know.

11:23

She's annoying. Yes, I started watching

11:25

it on, it's on Paramount Plus

11:27

right now. Right. And then I

11:29

was like, wait a second, I

11:31

have the DVDs, why don't I

11:33

just watch it on DVD? Because

11:35

then I don't have to worry

11:37

about ads and also it kept

11:39

skipping. Yep. Yeah, Paramount Plus is

11:41

a big pile of crap. I

11:43

completely agree. The user interface is

11:46

like very hard to navigate. I

11:48

did the same thing you and

11:50

I have the same set I

11:52

did not know you had a

11:54

DVD player. Yes, I hadn't used

11:56

it along. time we had to

11:58

like go scrouaging for chords and

12:00

stuff. Yeah. I assume that it's

12:02

not a Blu-ray player. No. Okay.

12:04

I was watching the Twin Peaks

12:06

from Z to A box set.

12:08

Oh really? Is that a Blu-ray?

12:10

Yeah. So that it is a

12:12

Blu-ray player. Okay, very good. This

12:14

was like a beautiful, beautifully assembled

12:16

completed set of the entire, what

12:18

do you call it franchise I

12:20

guess? Because it's got Twin Peak

12:22

Seasons One and Two, the movie

12:24

fire walk with me. I think

12:27

it's got all the missing pieces

12:29

as they call out, which were

12:31

like the lead scenes. It has

12:33

all the log lady intros. All

12:35

the log lady intros. And I

12:37

don't know how you feel about

12:39

this sort of thing. So partly

12:41

why we're covering Twin Peaks right

12:43

now is the recent passing of

12:45

David Lynch. Yeah. One of the

12:47

creators of Twin Peaks. And I

12:49

have this weird feeling now about

12:51

Twin Peaks. We're like. I never

12:53

thought that it would continue, but

12:55

there were threats forever that they

12:57

might make more. Remember for a

12:59

few years, somebody would be like

13:01

online, they'd go like, uh, there's

13:03

a, whispers, an owl is whispering

13:06

from the trees, something this summer

13:08

is happening. Yes. And it would

13:10

never. Yeah, there were rumors about

13:12

a project called Wasteria Lane. on

13:14

Netflix or whatever and also somebody

13:16

at Netflix said that they had

13:18

had meetings with David Lynch recently

13:20

because he had ideas about how

13:22

to continue Twin Peaks and it

13:24

was going to happen over there.

13:26

Yeah and I also heard on

13:28

top of that that somebody closer

13:30

to David Lynch's camp was like

13:32

that's not true. Right. So who

13:34

knows? I'm always dubious when people

13:36

come out post somebody dying and

13:38

say something like that. Yes, absolutely.

13:40

It's like when Jack Nickleson after

13:42

he's larger died was like. I

13:45

warned him. I warned him. It's

13:47

like you had this information that

13:49

none of the rest of us

13:51

had. I figured out there was

13:53

room in the spotlight. Here's what

13:55

I said to Heath. Focus on

13:57

me for a while. He knew

13:59

this was going to happen. Of

14:01

course he did. Because he also

14:03

got dangerous. close to the joker.

14:05

Mm-hmm. Sure. Those shattering teeth haunted

14:07

him in his sleep. I have

14:09

this feeling now about Twin Peaks

14:11

where it's like, oh, listen, it's

14:13

not, it's a bummer that David

14:15

Lynch died. Yeah. But it also

14:17

has provided now this feeling of

14:19

like, oh, it's complete. Yeah, yeah,

14:21

yeah, yeah. There really is no

14:24

avenue forward that would be of

14:26

the character, the caliber. of what

14:28

we've been getting. Mark Frost, of

14:30

course, is the other creator, who

14:32

I have, I've loved his work

14:34

as well. Me too, and he,

14:36

I mean, his contribution to it

14:38

is like humongous. And often overlooked.

14:40

Yes, he's the bigger public persona,

14:42

but Mark Frost is like huge

14:44

to Twin Cities. If he were

14:46

to write a book, I'd be

14:48

thrilled, but I don't want to

14:50

see more of the show. No.

14:52

No. Okay, so in spoiler free.

14:54

Let me think what I can

14:56

say. I think the things that

14:58

are most stand-out are kind of

15:00

what we talked about, or like

15:03

Dale Cooper. There's just like a

15:05

lot of iconography around Twin Peaks

15:07

that I bet even if you

15:09

haven't seen the show that you're

15:11

kind of aware of. The whole

15:13

like cherry pie and coffee thing.

15:15

It's one of those shows where

15:17

it's been referenced like a million

15:19

billion times and you're probably, you

15:21

could probably see something and be

15:23

like, oh, I get that that's

15:25

a Twin Peaks reference. and like

15:27

watched it all I it felt

15:29

like I suddenly understood a bunch

15:31

of references that had been going

15:33

over my head same for decades

15:35

like I was like oh my

15:37

god yes all these moments and

15:39

shows are references to this right

15:42

and watching them happen in the

15:44

show is really fun and satisfying

15:46

yeah totally it's a great show

15:48

I mean it's definitely like it's

15:50

a slow burn sort of show

15:52

yeah so if that's something that

15:54

bothers you it might not be

15:56

your jam I'm trying to think

15:58

of what else to say about

16:00

it that's like not really spoilery.

16:02

Maybe that's it. What if you

16:04

if I asked you like what

16:06

do you think is inspired by

16:08

this? What are like things that

16:10

spring to mind? Oh man I

16:12

know one that's like my favorite

16:14

thing one of my favorite games

16:16

of all time is the legend

16:18

of Zelda links awakening Which is

16:21

like you wash up on this

16:23

weird island after your ship wrecks

16:25

and you meet all these eccentric

16:27

characters evidently this is literally a

16:29

thing that in Japan they were

16:31

all hooked on Twin Peaks and

16:33

we're like whoa wait a minute

16:35

What if we had in Zelda

16:37

he goes around and he meets

16:39

like all these weirdos? Like there's

16:41

an old man who will only

16:43

talk to you over the phone?

16:45

Like if you go into his

16:47

house he's like, huh, what? But

16:49

if you leave the house and

16:51

go to like talk to him

16:53

on the phone he'll give you

16:55

hints. There's like strange things going

16:57

on. An owl that carries a

17:00

lot of stuff about dreams and

17:02

waking the dreamer. Things honestly that

17:04

wouldn't even really become part of

17:06

Twin Peaks lore. perhaps for a

17:08

while yeah like it very more

17:10

like season two me yeah exactly

17:12

but kind of interesting yeah I

17:14

know Silent Hill I think two

17:16

or something yeah I think so

17:18

be really inspired by Twin Peaks

17:20

yeah I never beat it yeah

17:22

the show A really obvious one

17:24

was the show The Killing, at

17:26

least the American remake. And I

17:28

think that it was a maybe

17:30

Swedish show first or something. The

17:32

American remake was like very clearly

17:34

inspired by Twin Peaks. Their whole

17:36

press campaign, whatever the hell you

17:38

call that, the marketing campaign was

17:41

who killed Rosie Larson. And it

17:43

was like. a town with like

17:45

a bunch of secrets everything. It

17:47

was a really good show. The

17:49

tone is not quirky in the

17:51

same way. It's much more dark.

17:53

Yeah. And I liked the show

17:55

a lot, but definitely super inspired

17:57

by Twin Peaks. Yeah, it's just

17:59

this show is like the birth

18:01

of a lot of things in

18:03

a weird way. Yeah. All right,

18:05

you wanna, let's get into it.

18:07

Yeah. So this is gonna be

18:09

season one spoiler. So this is

18:11

safe for if you have just

18:13

seen season season season one or

18:15

if you're just. for the first

18:17

season. Yes. All right. In three,

18:20

two, one, she's an old woman.

18:22

She's not and she never will

18:24

be. That's right. She's a young

18:26

woman forever, a woman of 17.

18:28

17. Just like the white wing

18:30

dove. Yes, so, okay. Who is

18:32

that? Fleetwood Mac? Yeah. Okay. So

18:34

it was bothering me. That's okay.

18:36

I didn't know what I was

18:38

referencing. That's all right. So the

18:40

show. opens in maybe the greatest

18:42

possible way. Well, weirdly, it opens

18:44

on a shot of Josie, which

18:46

seems pointless in retrospect. Just opening

18:48

on a beautiful woman. Yeah, I

18:50

guess so. But it goes then

18:52

quickly to Pete Martell. Yeah, great

18:54

character. This is where it has

18:56

the juice. Gone fishing. Yeah. He's

18:59

this weird guy Jack Nancy's the

19:01

dude that played the eraser head

19:03

man in eraser head. And he

19:05

goes out fishing and he discovers

19:07

a body wrapped in plastic in

19:09

plastic. That particular scene of him

19:11

calling the sheriff's station, that I've

19:13

seen more than anything else, I

19:15

feel, because I kept trying to

19:17

watch the show. And I would

19:19

be like, what is this? Like,

19:21

why does he talk like that?

19:23

What is going on? And seeing

19:25

Laura Palmer wrapped in plastic washed

19:27

up on that like beach or

19:29

whatever it is. Yeah. is so

19:31

cool and eerie and iconic. Yeah.

19:33

And I never bothered to pay

19:35

attention to the fact that like

19:38

watching this season in particular, because

19:40

this is supposed to be the

19:42

like everybody's a suspect season. Right.

19:44

It's like Shelly is picking up

19:46

dry cleaning. So her clothes are

19:48

wrapped in plastic. She and her

19:50

her shit ass husband Leo live

19:52

in a house that's covered in

19:54

plastic sheeting. So there's plastic there.

19:56

Yeah. Like you can. Watch this

19:58

season in particular and give yourself

20:00

room to theorize about clues and

20:02

motives and suspects that people may

20:04

have killed her. Yes. Even things

20:06

that aren't like made super, super

20:08

clear. Like you could think that,

20:10

so Donna ends up getting together

20:12

with Laura's secret boyfriend immediately. Yeah,

20:14

uh-huh. Let the body get cold.

20:17

I know. She has them over

20:19

to meet her parents before Laura's

20:21

funeral. Everybody has... They accomplish a

20:23

lot in a single day in

20:25

this show. Look at feelings or

20:27

feelings, but I was like, guys,

20:29

I don't know. Teenagers, slow it

20:31

down a bit. Teenagers have deep

20:33

feelings. They certainly do. But yeah,

20:35

you could, there could, I'm sure

20:37

that there was theorizing like, well,

20:39

Donna was falling in love with

20:41

James. What if Donna wanted Laura

20:43

out of the way? Like a

20:45

lot of people have reasons that

20:47

they may have wanted Laura gone.

20:49

Sure. So you can look in

20:51

all of these different directions. Yeah.

20:53

creepy men. Ugh. Dr. Jacoby. Dr.

20:56

Jacoby was her psychiatrist and he

20:58

wears glasses that. Have one red

21:00

lens and one blue lens. Yeah,

21:02

like 3D glasses. He's got like

21:04

corks sticking out of his ears

21:06

or something the first time we

21:08

meet him. I don't even know

21:10

what that is. He's like obsessed

21:12

with Hawaii. I don't know what

21:14

he's doing. Yeah, he's wearing a

21:16

Hawaiian lady tie. And he's rubbing

21:18

under her grass skirt while he

21:20

talks to Agent Cooper. It's not

21:22

good. It's not good. This show

21:24

is full of people that are

21:26

like. Yeah, this show is full

21:28

of people that like, even if

21:30

they didn't kill Laura Palmer. Yeah.

21:32

Oh my God. They're not safe.

21:35

No. And Twin Peaks is that,

21:37

you know, Pacific Northwest small town.

21:39

It opens with that shot of

21:41

like the town sign where it

21:43

says 50,000 people live there. Yeah.

21:45

But really they wanted it to

21:47

say 5,000 people. They wanted it

21:49

to be way smaller. Yeah. I,

21:51

like, it wasn't plausible. It's like

21:53

every single human being there. all

21:55

the time. Did this make you

21:57

want donuts? I ate donuts. I

21:59

should have gotten to. Actually I

22:01

said to Ryan last night maybe

22:03

I'll pick up donuts on the

22:05

way and then I completely forgot

22:07

about it. Fool. Yeah. No, I

22:09

love the, the, the, the, again,

22:11

like this show more than anything,

22:14

because I, as a mystery, especially,

22:16

we're still in a season one

22:18

right now, as a mystery, this

22:20

is meandering and goes nowhere. Yes.

22:22

But as a fictional place. that

22:24

you can just like sit back

22:26

drop into and let your eyes

22:28

almost like glaze over as you

22:30

watch it is so much fun

22:32

and so cozy and so kind

22:34

of quirky and funny yeah it's

22:36

it's strangely like easy watching yeah

22:38

like it's it's really slow and

22:40

you can just kind of like

22:42

let it happen around you which

22:44

is why I think it's so

22:46

moments of like boom totally which

22:48

keep you going yes but yeah

22:50

which is why I like in

22:52

particular some of the like Weird

22:55

horror vibes when Man so when

22:57

they the high school in the

22:59

morning when they when everyone is

23:01

announcing that Laura Palmer has been

23:03

found dead Yeah, her best friend

23:05

Donna her boyfriend James are in

23:07

a class together and they notice

23:09

that Laura Palmer's seat is empty.

23:11

Yeah, and even before an announcement

23:13

is made over the loudspeaker, a

23:15

cop comes in and takes their

23:17

teacher aside and whispers something to

23:19

her and the teacher comes back

23:21

looking visibly distraught. And so it's

23:23

all just ominous. Instantly Donna knows.

23:25

She knows. And not only that,

23:27

but all of a sudden you

23:29

hear a scream and there's a

23:31

girl just running through like the

23:34

courtyard outside the window of the

23:36

school screaming and like covering her

23:38

head. It is so heavy. Yeah,

23:40

it's like, it's like chilling. It

23:42

really is. And it's like, it's

23:44

one of those things where I

23:46

can't personally decide if what is

23:48

occurring is natural, like people like

23:50

Donna knowing right away. Or is

23:52

there something almost like animal instinctual

23:54

about everyone's grim realization that Laura

23:56

is not just missing? She's dead.

23:58

They all know before they know.

24:00

Yeah, I think it is a

24:02

little bit of that and also

24:04

because they knew that Laura was

24:06

so like wild as they repeatedly

24:08

say. Yeah, who knew? It seems

24:10

like they knew, but I don't

24:13

understand why they were like, I

24:15

don't understand Laura's relationships. Like it

24:17

doesn't really make sense to me

24:19

why she and Donna were friends.

24:21

She just seems like a mess

24:23

to be friends with like she's

24:25

mean and I don't get her

24:27

relationship with Donna in particular if

24:29

it's because the more you get

24:31

to know Donna she just seems

24:33

kind of like normal milk to

24:35

us yes I was actually taking

24:37

the freeze milk to us just

24:39

like normal and like nice and

24:41

whatever yeah so like why was

24:43

she friends with Laura who makes

24:45

the like you don't really get

24:47

to know Laura other than people

24:49

talking about her like there aren't

24:52

flashbacks to her of her without

24:54

dialogue was just like her and

24:56

Donna like doing like weird kid

24:58

dancing at a picnic but there

25:00

is audio of her making these

25:02

recordings for Jacoby that weirdo therapist

25:04

that she was going to and

25:06

she's a total asshole yeah just

25:08

like I'm so sick of Bobby

25:10

he's so Dumb. Or not Bobby

25:12

James. James is so dumb. Yeah,

25:14

which is true. Yeah, totally. He

25:16

is so dumb. And she says

25:18

he's sweet, but she can only

25:20

take so much of sweet. Um,

25:22

she's just like annoying. And she

25:24

knows that like Jacoby is turned

25:26

on by her and she's leaning

25:28

into it. Now all of that

25:31

speaks to trauma. Those are all

25:33

things that like can be a

25:35

trauma response. So you have some

25:37

sympathy for it. However, she's also

25:39

like... It just sounds like she's

25:41

mean to people. Yes. So it's

25:43

surprising that they have, that she

25:45

and Donna, who just seems like

25:47

nice and normal, have this friendship

25:49

or whatever. But so anyway, I

25:51

guess you were saying like, what

25:53

do they know about her being?

25:55

Yeah, they like seem to instantly

25:57

know the worst has happened. know

25:59

this stuff about her because even

26:01

like Audrey at one point says

26:03

to Donna she's like breaking things

26:05

down she's like fact Laura had

26:07

a sweet tooth for the nose

26:10

candy and like Donna knows that

26:12

yeah true so I don't know

26:14

if Bobby Briggs her other boyfriend

26:16

yeah will at her funeral be

26:18

like she was in trouble we

26:20

all knew it we didn't do

26:22

anything who killed Laura Palmer we

26:24

all did and I can't figure

26:26

out The open secrets of

26:28

this town, right? I don't know like

26:30

if she just really Segmented herself a

26:33

lot. Yeah, and also I'm trying to

26:35

go off of just this season because

26:37

there is also like so much other

26:40

material like Laura Palmer's diary and all

26:42

that kind of which came out between

26:44

this season and season. Yes, this season

26:47

and what we know of her like

26:49

it just seems like She was like

26:51

kind of nasty. Yes I don't know

26:53

if she just sort of like segmented

26:56

herself and she was one way with

26:58

Donna and James because she seems kind

27:00

of like cutesy with them in the

27:03

video. grew up with them. So is

27:05

it just like a vestigial friendship of

27:07

like we were we were literally babies

27:10

together? Maybe, but Donna has this awareness

27:12

of this other part of her life

27:14

where she is kind of like going

27:16

and doing like wild teen things. I

27:19

don't really know. I guess that that

27:21

could be. Yeah, it's very strange premise.

27:23

Again, the premise itself is actually super

27:26

clean. Just the bare premise of, you

27:28

know, beloved, beautiful girl with a dark

27:30

secret. Yeah, that photo of her. You

27:33

know, I had a theory and I

27:35

couldn't decide if it was me being

27:37

obsessive or what. I, watching this season,

27:40

I think I've thought this before, but

27:42

this time I was like, whoa, I

27:44

think I'm seeing the matrix. There's a

27:46

lot of this came out in 1990.

27:49

Yeah. And it would be six or.

27:51

Seven years, scream is also like kids

27:53

in school noticing that one of the

27:56

seats is empty because of Drew Barry

27:58

more. And Neve Campbell has this troubled

28:00

boyfriend Billy, who's not totally dissimilar from

28:03

Bobby. and he's got a buddy who

28:05

he kind of like does bad stuff

28:07

with stew who's kind of like Mike

28:09

and they stare at Laura Palmer's photo

28:12

in Twin Peaks and they stare at

28:14

Maureen Prescott's photo in Scream. I don't

28:16

know I was seeing like the the

28:19

the earliest possible divergent evolution of a

28:21

core idea of like a murder in

28:23

a school yeah and everyone's trying to

28:26

unravel what was up with the girl

28:28

in that seat. Yeah, sort of thing.

28:30

Although no one really cares about Drew

28:32

Barrymore after those days, so whatever. I

28:35

mean, Maureen Prescott, I guess, is more

28:37

of the, especially looking at the series

28:39

of Scream, like figuring out what was

28:42

Maureen Prescott's history and her darkness and

28:44

all that stuff. She's Laura Palmer. Yeah,

28:46

she's definitely the first big boom of

28:49

that. Yeah. And also, I'm remembering... more

28:51

now, like of what's specifically season one.

28:53

She obviously, like, I mean, that kind

28:56

of joke about how many hours in

28:58

the day does she have? Laura obviously

29:00

did a lot of good stuff also,

29:02

like in her life. evident in the

29:05

first season like she did meals on

29:07

wheels she tutored Johnny Audrey's brother she

29:09

also tutored Josie in English like yeah

29:12

obviously have all sides to you and

29:14

everything but um yeah like what's going

29:16

on with this check I don't know

29:19

although that kind of stuff like it

29:21

does sound like you know when serial

29:23

the podcast came out right it was

29:25

like learning about this real-life person and

29:28

what she was like and the things

29:30

that she did and her boyfriend was

29:32

playing football, but what did he miss

29:35

practice? Why was he missing practice? And

29:37

that's like Bobby in this season. It's

29:39

like kids do do a lot of

29:42

stuff. She might have spent after school.

29:44

School ends at 2.30, let's say she

29:46

did an hour with Josie teaching her

29:48

English, now it's 3.30, and then she

29:51

does an hour with Johnny. Now it's

29:53

4.30. She's got, and then she can

29:55

have dinner with her family. And then

29:58

she can head over one-eyed jacks. Be

30:00

done by eight. Get to one-eyed jacks.

30:02

Right. Yeah, you can pack a lot

30:05

in a day, I guess. Yeah. I,

30:07

uh, yeah. So Dale Cooper comes to

30:09

town and we start to get what,

30:12

for any other show, would be the

30:14

nuts and bolts MO murder and investigation

30:16

stuff. Quirky FBI guy talks into a

30:18

video recorder, or video recorder, yeah, audio

30:21

tape all the time to Diane, his

30:23

unseen, presumably like assistant at the Bureau.

30:25

Right. And he's coming to first see

30:28

Laura Palmer's body, where he knows that

30:30

he's going to find something under her

30:32

fingernail. And he digs in those tweezers.

30:35

I don't like how deep they go.

30:37

The lights, the fluorescent lights are flashing

30:39

overhead. Yep. And he digs out a

30:41

letter. Just luck. Just luck. They, like,

30:44

just in real life, they were just

30:46

flashing. So much of this show. And

30:48

they're like, let's just go with it.

30:51

Which is so awesome. I love it.

30:53

So much of the show happens almost

30:55

like accidentally. Totally, even like they at

30:58

one point, they go to a vet's

31:00

office and this alpaca walks between him

31:02

and Sheriff Truman and like looks. a

31:04

fragrant gum that might make the alpaca

31:07

turn and make eye contact with him

31:09

for the purpose of making it I've

31:11

heard that but I don't know if

31:14

it's true okay it is still just

31:16

great there are all these little like

31:18

idiosyncratic yeah strange things that they just

31:21

seem to roll with I think that

31:23

he also during the like quote-unquote autopsy

31:25

moment there's like a medical examiner guy

31:28

standing in the corner and he goes

31:30

would you leave us alone please that

31:32

guy just made a mistake and thought

31:34

that Dale Cooper asked him his name.

31:37

They just keep it on the show.

31:39

Because it all contributes. Yes, to the

31:41

oddness. There's this like, the uncanny valley,

31:44

I believe, is only supposed to be

31:46

like a visual reference or, you know,

31:48

people or whatever. But like the whole

31:51

thing has an uncanny valley quality. Like

31:53

people don't really talk like this, act

31:55

like this. It just, it's everything is

31:57

off kilter, but in such a pleasing

32:00

way to me. All the more reason

32:02

why I find David Lynch in particular

32:04

to be daunting. Yeah. I have not

32:07

seen all of his movies. I haven't

32:09

seen. any of them in their entirety.

32:11

The clips that I've seen are not

32:14

appealing to me. Interesting. I would like

32:16

to watch them. I'm slightly, uh, slightly

32:18

ambivalent, I guess, but I've gone, I've

32:20

gone a poken to see, like, oh,

32:23

I think I, and it doesn't look

32:25

good to me. If you like Firewalk

32:27

with me. Well, I've seen Firewalk with

32:30

me, but I don't really like Firewalk

32:32

with me. I definitely, it's on the

32:34

low end of the low end of

32:37

things for me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

32:39

David Lynch, it's like the greatest trick

32:41

a person can play, is being like,

32:44

well, I'm so quirky, even if I

32:46

made a mistake, you think I did

32:48

it intentionally. And it's part of the

32:50

art. And I think that there's truth

32:53

in that too. I think he was

32:55

such like a quirky oddball artist that

32:57

he was content, obviously content, to let

33:00

strange things unfold and just accept. yes

33:02

like that what for other people might

33:04

be a blooper or an imperfection to

33:07

him is now part of the fabric

33:09

of the thing that he made but

33:11

it also lends this quality where it's

33:13

like well you can never really be

33:16

held accountable for anything yeah yeah yeah

33:18

because every single you know bump and

33:20

scrape and something that you've made is

33:23

part of the point of it now

33:25

right and and that's kind of like

33:27

a get out of jail free card

33:30

kind of but it is also like

33:32

well so what so what Oh I

33:34

totally agree but like I know but

33:37

it's hard it's hard though for me

33:39

then to look at something and be

33:41

like where is the between ambition and

33:43

wanting it to be exactly the way

33:46

you saw it and going, screw it.

33:48

Yeah. Or I mean, I think it's

33:50

just, I don't know, but like, I

33:53

think it's kind of, and not saying

33:55

that you don't, I think it's kind

33:57

of awesome, just be like, let's just

34:00

leave it in. It's part of it.

34:02

It's all like a big weird exercise.

34:04

I totally appreciate that kind of thing.

34:06

It doesn't seem like something that I

34:09

want to spend my time watching. or

34:11

just happenstance. Yeah, I don't even care

34:13

about that intention. It just doesn't seem

34:16

enjoyable to me to watch. I actually

34:18

appreciate, like, all right, let's just roll

34:20

with it. It was kind of like

34:23

meant to be in there. It actually,

34:25

it kind of fits. Like, it's kind

34:27

of like. esoteric and let's just let's

34:29

just see what happens with it and

34:32

what the result tends to be but

34:34

I don't want to spend my time

34:36

watching that you know he directed a

34:39

music video for nine inch nails yeah

34:41

I think for like came back haunted

34:43

or something and the music video it's

34:46

so funny because it's like he's such

34:48

a revered artist that like you just

34:50

be like anything that he does I

34:53

will take it like if it's like

34:55

David Lynch you're gonna direct a music

34:57

video for me Excellent. I'll, no notes

34:59

from the jump, whatever you want to

35:02

do obviously. Yeah. But the music video

35:04

itself is all flashing lights and a

35:06

still image of a, of like a

35:09

sculpture of David Lynch's and his sculpture

35:11

work was always really creepy, really weird.

35:13

I heard that he would like stuff

35:16

pieces of cheese into clay and let

35:18

ants eat it so that it would

35:20

have this like very organic, matter, decomposition

35:22

stuff. So strange. So it's one of

35:25

those kinds of things, but it's just

35:27

a photo of photo of it and

35:29

then. Sometimes it's flipped horizontal and then

35:32

it flips back and then it flips

35:34

horizontal and then the lights flash and

35:36

then it's a closed zoom in on

35:39

the face of it. It's like, I

35:41

bet you could have done this in

35:43

three hours. You could almost could have

35:45

shot this music video in real time.

35:48

Three minutes of work. Yeah. And is

35:50

that genius in and of itself as

35:52

well? I don't know. That's the thing.

35:55

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.

35:57

I just don't know what to make

35:59

of it. I've always appreciated him from

36:02

like arms distance. That's how I feel.

36:04

Like good for you. I find him

36:06

kind of fascinating. Yeah. I really enjoyed

36:09

one of the books that he wrote,

36:11

catching the big fish, which is like

36:13

a lot about meditation and like the

36:15

artistic process and things. Yeah, I appreciate.

36:18

his philosophy on a lot of things.

36:20

I don't think he's like a perfect

36:22

person or anything, but I'm not really

36:25

interested in a lot of what he's

36:27

done, except for Twin Peaks. I find

36:29

that interesting though, because you do like

36:32

Twin Peaks so much. I know. You

36:34

don't have a curiosity to go poking

36:36

around in Blue Velvet or Wilder Heart.

36:38

I've watched like clips and stuff. I

36:41

am kind of curious about watching Wild

36:43

at Heart and Blue Velvet and Blue

36:45

Velvet. Blue Velvet is like the Proto

36:48

Twin Peaks. It's almost like you could

36:50

almost make a case that it's like,

36:52

it would be a flimsy sort of

36:55

case, but like, it's almost, Twin Peaks

36:57

is almost the TV show version of

36:59

some of the ingredients of Blue Velvet.

37:01

Yeah. I mean, honestly, and also this

37:04

is talking. Lost Highway. Yeah, Bill Pullman,

37:06

right? You love Bill Pullman. I do

37:08

love Bill Pullman. This is talking me

37:11

looking around at things I don't know

37:13

years and years ago and then going

37:15

I think I'm good and I just

37:18

haven't revisited so I don't know I

37:20

could poke around again. Yeah, what's the

37:22

harm? There is no harm. I guess

37:25

I just haven't been interested to be

37:27

totally honest. There's also something like enough

37:29

stuff out that I haven't thought about

37:31

it, but yeah, I'm not I'm not

37:34

horribly a horribly averse. I guess not.

37:36

It didn't really for me either, right?

37:38

Or else I would have done it.

37:41

I sort of... Ryan put on a

37:43

racer head like a few months ago,

37:45

and I was like, blah. Oh, it's

37:48

an uncomfortable, uncomfortable movie to watch. Yeah.

37:50

And then he's such a pain in

37:52

the ass, because he was so, he

37:54

was so sort of like grouchy and

37:57

cantankerous too. There's that like, it's pretty

37:59

viral, it's pretty like, like, like, like,

38:01

well known, but when he goes... like,

38:04

believe it or not, Eraserhead is my

38:06

most spiritual film. Yeah. The interviewer goes,

38:08

can you explain that? He goes, no.

38:11

Yeah. So like, all right, well, why

38:13

am I even talking to you? What

38:15

are we supposed to do? Just sit

38:17

here and look at each other because

38:20

you don't want to talk. I know.

38:22

So it's strange. But again, like, I

38:24

like that. I like that too. Yeah.

38:27

But that's why Twin Peaks is also

38:29

weird because he was here. This is

38:31

where I like to live. Very well.

38:34

This works for me. Like I'm not

38:36

like shy, like I can't handle it,

38:38

but I just haven't been super interested

38:41

in. Yeah. Pursuing further than clips I've

38:43

watched, God knows how many years ago

38:45

of other movies. Sure enough. Maybe I

38:47

will. Well in the interest of finishing

38:50

up the spoiler side of the conversation

38:52

and then hopefully opening up to, because

38:54

I think there's wide spoilers. Yeah. Yeah.

38:57

I think this entire show. If you

38:59

came here because you wanted to know

39:01

who killed Laura Palmer, obviously you're going

39:04

to be disappointed by the end. And

39:06

he never wanted to tell you. No.

39:08

David Lynch. He thought that it was

39:10

a good hook, first of all, like

39:13

business wise. Yes. To have a show

39:15

where you never know when they're going

39:17

to reveal it. Just indefinitely. Which is

39:20

correct. I don't think so. Really? You're

39:22

going to lose. people are going to

39:24

lose their patience knowing that just like

39:27

for seasons and seasons we don't know

39:29

who killed Laura Palmer I do think

39:31

like business wise I don't think that

39:34

that's a great model I see the

39:36

funnel of it though I see that

39:38

like the first question like for a

39:40

marketing sense because they really did say

39:43

like who killed Laura Palmer they led

39:45

you to believe that yeah this was

39:47

a tightly constructed murder mystery right where

39:50

you'd be rewarded for paying attention to

39:52

motives and stuff and you're really not

39:54

I view that, especially now, more as

39:57

like the first push of a domino

39:59

to this whole crazy thing. Yeah. Who

40:01

killed Laura Palmer? first question of like

40:03

twin peaks but then it becomes like

40:06

who knew what what was everyone doing

40:08

who's this guy what's he up to

40:10

hear other murders yeah everyone is now

40:13

going to essentially like rip each other

40:15

apart after the events of this girl

40:17

getting killed. Right. And to some extent

40:20

it doesn't even really matter who killed

40:22

her. What matters is what happens to

40:24

this town in the aftermath kind of.

40:26

Yeah. But that's too. Or what's just

40:29

been happening under the surface the whole

40:31

time. Right. That I find less satisfying.

40:33

Yeah. I need this to be like

40:36

the domino effect. Because when it becomes

40:38

like so much of this ends up

40:40

being about, especially season one, so much

40:43

of this is like... Josie Packard wants

40:45

to take over the lumber yard and

40:47

her relationship with Ben Horn local business

40:50

sleaze and I'm like they have Just

40:52

about zero connection to Laura Palmer just

40:54

about totally there. So there are you

40:56

know The main thrust of this is

40:59

who can Laura Palmer and the majority

41:01

of time is spent on that But

41:03

there are subplots that take up a

41:06

ton of time as well Waste of

41:08

time and I wanted to ask you

41:10

to rank your favorite subplots. Oh Best

41:13

to worst. Okay. All right. Here are

41:15

the subplots Okay Because who killed Laura

41:17

Palmer is obviously number one? Yes. We've

41:19

got the Leo, Bobby, and Shelley subplot.

41:22

Okay, you know what? I get some

41:24

enjoyment out of that purely because I

41:26

think Leo is a bad actor. Yes,

41:29

he is. And I like Bobby. Also

41:31

he has highlights in the pilot episode,

41:33

which is so incongruous. Yeah. When would

41:36

this guy have ever gotten highlights? When

41:38

his mother, the casting director of the

41:40

show, suggested that he get them. I

41:42

know. Okay. Ghostwood Estates slash Benjamin Horn

41:45

slash Catherine slash Josie slash Hank that's

41:47

at the bottom. I'm telling you right

41:49

now Ed slash Norma slash Nadine slash

41:52

Hank that goes a little bit higher

41:54

because I like Ed and Norma and

41:56

Nadine with her eye patch and her

41:59

super strength and her cotton ball drape

42:01

runner story yet. Uh, no, she breaks

42:03

that I know, but she does break

42:06

that machine that she's working out with.

42:08

And then James and Donna, I also

42:10

count as their own subplocks. We get

42:12

a lot of... That's down. Yes. And

42:15

they arguably are on the Laura Palmer

42:17

story, but they are so... But we

42:19

also get so much of their love.

42:22

Boring. I would say that they are

42:24

separate from who killed Laura Palmer and

42:26

just like we found each other. Okay?

42:29

So these four. One to four, one

42:31

being your favorite. Wow, of those particular

42:33

four. All right, well that stinks. So

42:35

nothing about Leland Palmer in there, huh?

42:38

That's connected to who killed Laura Palmer.

42:40

You consider that? Okay, I mean, I

42:42

guess you're right. These are things where

42:45

they're not even talking about him killed

42:47

Laura Palmer. Okay, fine, fine, fine, fine.

42:49

So then number one is Leo, which

42:52

I think also stinks. I know, that's

42:54

why this is tough. Number two is

42:56

Big Ed and Norma. All the way

42:58

through. Number three is, what was it

43:01

besides, no, number four is the ghostwood

43:03

estate shit, Josie Packard scheming. I don't

43:05

care about her. I know that she

43:08

was some huge get for the show.

43:10

What's her name? Oh, uh, the hell

43:12

is her name? Lori Piper, Piper Lori.

43:15

I don't care. I don't care. I

43:17

do not care that she was a

43:19

huge get for the show. I understand

43:22

that she's some tremendously famous actress. Her

43:24

part is tangential and irrelevant. Yes. Bottom

43:26

of the barrel. Yeah. I don't even

43:28

remember what the fourth thing you said

43:31

was. Did you say James and Donna?

43:33

No, I don't think you'd. Oh, James

43:35

and Donna. Oh my God. They're down

43:38

there with Piper Lori. Yeah. They're four

43:40

together. Four together. Okay, I go, my

43:42

favorite are Ed and Norma, then I

43:45

go, James and Donna, because James is

43:47

funny to look at to me. I'm

43:49

sorry. It's funny to look at, yes.

43:51

Because not like just that the actor

43:54

is like funny looking, he's always doing

43:56

this like, oh, sad face. Derek Zoolander

43:58

hair. Yeah, he's just always got this

44:01

like weird squished, his... Howdy. Sad face.

44:03

Then I go ghostwood estates. Then I

44:05

have Leo Bobby Shelley at the bottom.

44:08

Because I can't stand Leo and I

44:10

can't stand Bobby. My number one is

44:12

your number four. Yeah. Whoa! I don't

44:14

like Leo until by the end. He's

44:17

just so one. I was like, I

44:19

told you Shelley. What did you think

44:21

you were going to do, Shelley? It's

44:24

just so... And I like Bobby. You

44:26

don't like Bobby? No, I think he's

44:28

so annoying. I like him. I can't.

44:31

Okay, fair enough. Can't stand Bobby or

44:33

Snake, his best friend, who looks like

44:35

the last person who's nickname would be

44:38

Snake. Absolutely. He's just this like dude

44:40

with like blondeish long hair, who's like

44:42

on the football team. That's Snake? Dropped

44:44

like a bad habit. Yeah. I, uh,

44:47

did you catch that he refers to

44:49

Bobby as Bopper when they're in jail?

44:51

For one moment Bobby had the nickname

44:54

Bopper. And then that's forgotten as well.

44:56

Last thing that I really have to

44:58

say about season one are the cliff

45:01

hangers of which there are numerous. But

45:03

let's get into the paranormal element. So

45:05

Dale Cooper is. Eccentric in the extreme.

45:07

Maybe the most eccentric person and he's

45:10

not from Twin Peaks. Right. But so

45:12

he's got this whole methodology from a

45:14

dream he had that somehow is related

45:17

to Tibet. A dream he had three

45:19

years ago that I guess he's been

45:21

hanging on to that now he can

45:24

finally act on. So you put a

45:26

bottle on a stump and you name

45:28

every suspect and then you throw a

45:31

rock at the bottle and if the

45:33

bottle breaks they're connected. Yeah. And he

45:35

the bottle broke on Leo. More come

45:37

to find out by the end, Leo

45:40

is tightly connected to Laura Palmer's death,

45:42

but perhaps not the killer. Right. But

45:44

Dale Cooper also has this dream. And

45:47

this is, this I think, more than

45:49

anything in this season, is what made

45:51

Twin Peaks. legendary. Yes, I think so

45:54

too. The Red Room dream, where he

45:56

sees the man from another place who

45:58

is a little person who speaks backwards.

46:00

That's rock. Yeah. And then he sees

46:03

a vision of Laura Palmer, but she's

46:05

not Laura Palmer. She looks exactly like

46:07

Laura Palmer. In the context of this

46:10

season exclusively. This is nothing but a

46:12

dream. which has implications about solving the

46:14

mystery. The red curtains in this room

46:17

are the red curtains of the place

46:19

where Laura Palmer was first attacked. The

46:21

little man dancing, I would also argue,

46:23

is perhaps analogous to Laura Palmer's father

46:26

Leland Palmer, who cannot seem to stop

46:28

dancing. I've never thought about that before,

46:30

but yeah. The fact that there is

46:33

a woman in the dream who looks

46:35

exactly like Laura Palmer, but is not

46:37

Laura Palmer, is analogous to Laura's cousin

46:40

Maddie, who shows up, who is played

46:42

by the same actress, who looks exactly

46:44

like Laura Palmer, but is not Laura

46:47

Palmer, and will wear a Laura Palmer

46:49

costume by the end. And then the

46:51

final thing that really happens in the

46:53

dream is that dream Laura Palmer whispers

46:56

in Dale Cooper's ear and he wakes

46:58

up, makes a phone call and says,

47:00

I know who killed Laura Palmer. And

47:03

then he says, no, it can wait.

47:05

And starts snapping to the beat of

47:07

the music that was in his dream

47:10

that the little man was dancing to.

47:12

And goes back to sleep and in

47:14

the morning forgets what she said in

47:16

the dream. Yeah. That in this show

47:19

is nothing but a dream he had.

47:21

And yet, that one thing, which only

47:23

happens once in this season, turns into

47:26

something grandiose. And I won't say more

47:28

than that, because we're still on this

47:30

season. But I think for TV at

47:33

that time, it was like, what the

47:35

hell is this? You know what I

47:37

mean? And I've been like, and I'm

47:39

not knocking this, because I love these

47:42

kinds of shows. You know, mysteries have

47:44

been, I don't know, murder she wrote?

47:46

Colombo? Sure. And it's like, what the

47:49

hell is going on? What is this?

47:51

Yeah. And that's why it ends up

47:53

parodied on S&L when Kyle McLaughlin hosts

47:56

and Mike Myers is the man from

47:58

another place dancing through the scene. It's

48:00

parodied twice on The Simpsons. They did

48:03

a whole episode of Darkwing Duck called

48:05

Twin Beaks. Shout out Tad Stone's not

48:07

sure if you still listen. Yes. Sesame.

48:09

The creator of Darkwing Duck who listened

48:12

at one point. Yes. To tweet to

48:14

us a bunch. Sesame Street did monster

48:16

peace theater. Twin Beaks. Two Twin Beaks.

48:19

And of course there's a psych episode

48:21

called Dual Spires. Yes. I think it's.

48:23

I think like this small town mystery

48:26

is one thing. It was very cinematic,

48:28

which was also unique for TV at

48:30

the time. But it's this red room

48:32

thing that I think catapulted it up

48:35

to like 13. Yes, like what the

48:37

hell is going on here? Yes. And

48:39

for the entire series of the show,

48:42

this season, I mean, to end exclusively

48:44

in cliffhangers that are very down to

48:46

earth was actually kind of surprising to

48:49

me. Yeah. I didn't really remember where

48:51

this ended because for so long I've

48:53

watched all of this as one thing.

48:55

It's like, Josie Packard is burning down

48:58

the lumber yard. What's gonna happen there?

49:00

Shelley's tied up. Some Leo gets shot.

49:02

Is he alive or dead? Who knows?

49:05

Yeah. Audrey's at one-eyed Jack's doing like

49:07

undercover. We didn't even talk about Audrey.

49:09

Actually, I would say that Audrey... just

49:12

herself is one of the most iconic

49:14

pieces of 20 years. I agree. Just

49:16

this like beautiful, ballsy teenager. What do

49:19

you think what's going on with Audrey

49:21

in the pilot episode? Audrey's personality in

49:23

the pilot is different than it is

49:25

in the rest of the show. Is

49:28

it? Yeah, it is. She's stranger in

49:30

the pilot. How so? She's just, she's

49:32

odd, she seems touched in a way

49:35

that she's not in the rest of

49:37

the show. She's always a little bit

49:39

like like... Quirky and marching to the

49:42

beat of her own drum, doing things

49:44

that people don't want her to do.

49:46

But in the pilot, she's like childlike.

49:48

In a strange way. I think she

49:51

was... being daddy's girl, because she's at

49:53

Ben Horn's hotel. Yeah, it's that. And

49:55

she's being a pain in the ass,

49:58

like she's like stabbing a pencil into

50:00

a coffee cup and letting it spill

50:02

out. Right, but then she's like giggling

50:05

about it, like in her own world,

50:07

and like, huh? She seems like. I

50:09

don't know. I think that they were

50:11

going in a different direction with Audrey

50:14

and the pilot. Interesting. And then they

50:16

changed direction in a way that I

50:18

think was a good idea. Yeah, she

50:21

becomes a little bit more of a...

50:23

She's a little bit more tapped in.

50:25

Femfatalish. Yes. There's this whole weird thing

50:28

in Twin Peaks. This might be a

50:30

season two thing, more than a season

50:32

one thing, but like, I know that

50:35

in the media surrounding the show, a

50:37

lot of it was like the women

50:39

of Twin Peaks. And it was like,

50:41

Cheryl and Fan and Shirley and Matchkin

50:44

Amic? Yeah, who plays Shelley. Yeah. Like

50:46

none of these characters. And Lara Flynn

50:48

Boyle. None of these characters like ever

50:51

interact with each other? Not a lot.

50:53

Or anything? I don't know. It's very

50:55

weird to me. Like, this entire show

50:58

feels like how shows are made today.

51:00

Where it's like, everyone was available in

51:02

a different month. So everyone's got a

51:04

separate story that are filmed in different

51:07

parts of the world Yeah, and they'd

51:09

like never even see each other right

51:11

That's how Twin Peaks feels to me.

51:14

It's like but these people are all

51:16

in the same place at the same

51:18

time. It's like at Laura Palmer's funeral.

51:21

They're all there But they all have

51:23

their own siloed stories. It's very weird.

51:25

Yeah, it is weird. But yeah, it

51:28

seems like Audrey is is is very

51:30

much her her own thing in the

51:32

world with Twin Peaks. Yeah, you know,

51:34

like she's an icon in and of

51:37

herself. True. Yeah, but yeah, I think

51:39

that they were going like, I don't

51:41

know, it seems like they were doing,

51:44

I think, a weird thing where she

51:46

was like a hot girl, but like

51:48

she's a little bit like delayed or

51:51

something in the pilot in the pilot.

51:53

Yeah, I don't know. Maybe. And she

51:55

has her brother Johnny who is delayed.

51:57

that I think was a good idea.

52:00

Interesting, okay. All right, yeah, I've never

52:02

quite seen it that way. All right,

52:04

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one, she's an old woman. Grace Zabriski.

56:05

That's right, what an old woman she

56:07

is. Let's talk about Grace Zabriski. I

56:09

love Grace Zabriski. In the context of

56:12

the entire series. Because now, you know,

56:14

we're obviously doing this in a post-season

56:16

three world, where there will be no

56:19

more twin peaks to come. This might

56:21

be... I might be watching this for

56:23

the first time since watching season three.

56:26

I, uh, everything... I sort of lied.

56:28

Okay. In this season, spoiler section before.

56:30

The Red Room's not the only paranormal

56:33

thing. Yeah. Grace Zabriskey is a... Is

56:35

it psychic? Yeah, she has visions and

56:37

stuff. What's going on? I don't know.

56:39

I don't remember you saying the red

56:42

room is the only paranormal thing. There

56:44

are a number of paranormal things going

56:46

on. She has visions. There's just something

56:49

strange going on in the woods in

56:51

general. The owls are not what they

56:53

seem. We don't know that yet. There's,

56:56

what do you mean? They don't say

56:58

the owls are not what they seem

57:00

yet. We're talking about the whole thing

57:03

now. No, no, no, I know. I'm

57:05

not, I'm not chastising you for saying

57:07

it. I'm just saying like, I don't

57:10

know. It's weird to look at, it's

57:12

weird to talk about season one in

57:14

the context of the whole piece because

57:17

this is clearly a show where a

57:19

lot of decisions were not made. You

57:21

think about Waldo, the talking bird, just

57:24

because you're all freaked out by birds?

57:26

Yeah, birds are freaky. Oh, you know

57:28

what I'm thinking of? There is a

57:31

theory that somehow, I'm getting lost, that

57:33

somehow the owls have something to do

57:35

with them. You know how like it's

57:38

like, oh, how the hell did Jacob?

57:40

know where the necklace is? Oh, right,

57:42

right, right. Not that the owls came

57:45

and like told Jacoby directly or whatever,

57:47

but like that there is some sort

57:49

of like mystical thing going on because

57:52

the owls were like looking at Donna

57:54

and James like while they were burying

57:56

it and then Jacoby does come and

57:59

like dig up the necklace and like

58:01

how do you know that? So like

58:03

does the owl have some sort of

58:06

connection to that? Just by seeing what

58:08

they were doing. Yeah. Sheriff Truman is

58:10

telling Cooper about the bookhouse boys. Yeah.

58:13

The Secret Society. He's like, Twin Peaks

58:15

is a long way away from the

58:17

world. You've noticed that by now. We're

58:20

different from other places. Right. There's something

58:22

in the woods, a presence. We don't

58:24

know what to call it, but before

58:27

us. A darkness. A darkness. We've always

58:29

been here. To... you know, protecting the

58:31

town from it or something like that,

58:34

for the bookhouse boys. Yeah. And there's

58:36

like... I hope they called themselves the

58:38

bookhouse boys throughout time. I know. Where

58:41

would be the bookhouse boys? Yes. It's

58:43

like four guys. Yeah. Three of them

58:45

are already cops. Yeah. They're really just

58:48

deputized Big Ed. It's a pretty anemic

58:50

secret society. Agreed, but I'm glad that

58:52

it's there. Andy is the only one

58:55

who's not in the bookhouse boys. Oh

58:57

yeah, it's really just that they've excluded

58:59

Andy. Poor Andy. I love it when

59:02

Andy shoots Giacrino. So do I. What

59:04

a thrill that gives me. It's like

59:06

Diehard when uh... Oh God, he snaps

59:09

to action. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Erkel's

59:11

brother, Erkel's dad. Erkel's dad. Yeah. Father

59:13

of Erkel. Are there any theories that

59:16

Carl Winslow is the real father of

59:18

Erkel? Yeah, because you never see Erkel's

59:20

dad, right. I'm sure there are. Or

59:23

did we. Or did we. Every episode

59:25

yeah, yeah, we did see Urkelstadt. Yeah,

59:27

we did But so yeah like there

59:30

is like evil in the woods But

59:32

Grace Zabriski she if I'm being honest.

59:34

Yeah She is one of the reasons

59:37

that I had a hard time getting

59:39

into the show that her screaming is

59:41

very off-putting. It's intense. Oh, is it

59:44

intense? Just some squawking. It is upsetting.

59:46

Yeah. She doesn't come across like an

59:48

actor. She comes across like some sort

59:51

of a performance artist or something. Yes.

59:53

Yeah. The degree to which she goes

59:55

like wild screaming and grabbing at her

59:58

hair because her daughter died, it's too

1:00:00

real. Yeah. It's like too raw emotion

1:00:02

or something. It gets under my skin.

1:00:04

Yeah. No, it's real. a lot. And

1:00:07

that is, I think, a good thing.

1:00:09

It totally is, but I can see,

1:00:11

like, that being, like, oh my God,

1:00:14

I think I felt that way too.

1:00:16

And I mean, I do feel it

1:00:18

watching it. Any time that I watched

1:00:21

that first episode, I'm always like, here

1:00:23

it comes. Yes. Like, it is so...

1:00:25

There's a certain part where, like, Leland's

1:00:28

holding her, and she just keeps having

1:00:30

these, like, like, eruptions. I think that

1:00:32

this is different from, it's similar to

1:00:35

what I was saying before about like

1:00:37

all the kids at school just know,

1:00:39

I think this is different because it's

1:00:42

more obvious, but like, Leland doesn't work,

1:00:44

and they're trying to figure out where

1:00:46

is Laura, like she didn't, she wasn't

1:00:49

in her room this morning, she's, where

1:00:51

is she, and then Sheriff Truman walks

1:00:53

in, I feel like that, you just

1:00:56

know. Leland just knows and he's on

1:00:58

the phone with his wife. That scene

1:01:00

is so good where he's on the

1:01:03

phone with her and you see the

1:01:05

car pull up behind him and everything.

1:01:07

It's so good. And Leland obviously knows,

1:01:10

but Grace Sabriski is on the other

1:01:12

end of the phone and she's going,

1:01:14

she goes like what, what is it

1:01:17

Leland and he goes? Sheriff Truman. And

1:01:19

she pretty much knows too at this

1:01:21

point. But her, she has a performance

1:01:24

where she goes, Leyland, what is it?

1:01:26

And then she kind of gasps. It's

1:01:28

like her breath gets caught in her

1:01:31

throat. She goes, tell me, it's like

1:01:33

so upsetting because I know what that

1:01:35

feeling is where like she's lost physical

1:01:38

control of herself. She's like not logical

1:01:40

or something. And she knows the answer.

1:01:42

but she needs to hear it. I

1:01:45

have such a hard time dealing with

1:01:47

Grace Sebastian because it's just too god

1:01:49

damn real. I know, it's really intense.

1:01:52

But it's amazing. She's amazing. She's amazing.

1:01:54

She's unreal. But yeah, to your point,

1:01:56

she is one of the supernatural things

1:01:59

in Twin Peaks. Yes. And in season

1:02:01

three, they really go into that. In

1:02:03

particular, at one point, she's at a

1:02:06

bar and this dude is harassing her

1:02:08

and she takes her face off. She

1:02:10

says and she puts her hand on

1:02:13

her face and opens her head like

1:02:15

a door. Yeah. Oh my god, and

1:02:17

there's a monster hand like a swirling

1:02:20

vortex world inside her head. If you

1:02:22

only watched this season, you'd have no

1:02:24

idea what this opens up to in

1:02:27

the future. This is such a crazy

1:02:29

world. It's absolutely nuts. But did they

1:02:31

have any consideration that Grace Zabriski might

1:02:34

be the mother of all evil or

1:02:36

whatever might be implied by, hopefully someday

1:02:38

we'll get to season three and really

1:02:41

talk about all that Joudet Judy evil

1:02:43

demon stuff? Right. But like, yeah. What

1:02:45

in the... Fock is going on. I

1:02:48

don't know. It's so wild. She's so

1:02:50

good. It's so wild. And then something

1:02:52

I wanted to say about Laura Palmer

1:02:55

that I couldn't say in the first

1:02:57

part where it's like, oh, she's such

1:02:59

a pain in the ass, she seems

1:03:02

so awful, whatever, is that like, she

1:03:04

essentially sacrificed herself because she didn't want

1:03:06

to be a host for Bob. So

1:03:09

like, she's really not that awful and

1:03:11

evil. She seems like a terrible friend

1:03:13

to have, like on the outside and

1:03:16

everything. you know, Donna doesn't know all

1:03:18

that's like, why would Donna want to

1:03:20

be friends with her? Yeah. But like,

1:03:22

you know, she didn't want to be

1:03:25

a host for this continued evil. That

1:03:27

is Bob. So Laura is ultimately a

1:03:29

very tragic figure in all of this.

1:03:32

And I just wanted to say that

1:03:34

in this spoiler side. Although I'd be

1:03:36

lying if I said I completely understood

1:03:39

that either. I don't totally understand. I

1:03:41

have no idea what's going on with

1:03:43

the... I don't but um she's the

1:03:46

the good in the world according to

1:03:48

season three comes down to gold orb

1:03:50

or something what what what is going

1:03:53

on and Bob we didn't even mention

1:03:55

Bob no we didn't like but he's

1:03:57

in this we can't really like go

1:04:00

into like crazy well season one does

1:04:02

touch on it though they do catch

1:04:04

you with my death Does that even

1:04:07

happen? See, I get a little mixed

1:04:09

up. Yeah, it happens. I watched, I

1:04:11

watched it as on TV, but then

1:04:14

I went back and I watched the

1:04:16

international pilot. Yeah. And I couldn't remember

1:04:18

if catch me, catch you with my

1:04:21

death bag happened. It's in both. It's

1:04:23

in both. In one, in the TV

1:04:25

version, it's like a vision or a

1:04:28

dream. Okay. In the original version, they

1:04:30

just kind of go like Laura, Sarah

1:04:32

Palmer, Sarah Palmer, the mother has a

1:04:35

vision, she's like, she's in the basement,

1:04:37

she's in the basement, she's in the

1:04:39

basement, she's in the basement, she's in

1:04:42

the, like, like, he's in the, he's

1:04:44

in the, he's in the, he's in

1:04:46

the, he's in the, he's in the,

1:04:49

Oh, and you mean in the- In

1:04:51

the international, sorry. Yeah, so like in

1:04:53

the international version, they just basically, it's

1:04:56

like an open and shut case, they

1:04:58

kind of just like, solve the mystery

1:05:00

right there, it's Bob. Well, it's like

1:05:03

weird, we're like, yeah, he's in the,

1:05:05

he's in the basement of the hospital.

1:05:07

They go to talk to Philip Girard,

1:05:10

who's not called Philip Girard, I don't

1:05:12

think, in the international version. It's the

1:05:14

man with one arm. He's just Mike.

1:05:17

in the international world. What a crazy

1:05:19

show. How does anyone talk about this

1:05:21

thing? Philip Girard is Mike everyone. Of

1:05:24

course we're intimidated to talk about it.

1:05:26

So like Bob is this like unholy

1:05:28

evil spirit or whatever who we find

1:05:31

out not in season one possessed Leland,

1:05:33

Laura's father. And Leland killed Laura, okay?

1:05:35

Mike is also this like spirit thing

1:05:38

that is friends with Bob. Was friends

1:05:40

with Bob. Yeah, was friends with Bob

1:05:42

in like whatever spirit world they're in.

1:05:45

And he has possessed the man with

1:05:47

one arm. And so, so like that

1:05:49

guy knows about it or whatever. And

1:05:52

then in the international pilot, I think

1:05:54

that he's just talking as Mike or

1:05:56

whatever. And he's like, yeah, we used

1:05:59

to be friends, blah blah blah blah.

1:06:01

And then... And Cooper is like, where

1:06:03

is he? And he's like, well, he's

1:06:06

here in the basement. And that's when

1:06:08

they go down. And he says all

1:06:10

crazy. It's crazy. Just disjointed shit where

1:06:13

he's like, catch you with my death

1:06:15

bag for like no reason. It's terrible

1:06:17

acting. It's so bad. Part of watching

1:06:20

Twin Peaks is just accepting that you're

1:06:22

watching like Tim and Eric level performers

1:06:24

sometimes. it's like you're just like hatching

1:06:27

a little good actors around it's so

1:06:29

then it's like well then is this

1:06:31

is okay because like they're really great

1:06:34

so what the hell's going on here

1:06:36

right like season one in the context

1:06:38

of the entire show is like an

1:06:41

egg it's like you're just like hatching

1:06:43

a little baby bird out of an

1:06:45

egg yeah and that baby bird hasn't

1:06:47

even begun to grow up yet No,

1:06:50

it really hasn't because we haven't even

1:06:52

really gotten into like, there's so much

1:06:54

that has detective work that's going to

1:06:57

happen with the Laura Palmer thing in

1:06:59

season two. We've really just been getting

1:07:01

to know this, like, Kooka-Doo town. Yes.

1:07:04

And then getting into like... Who actually

1:07:06

killed her happens in I think it's

1:07:08

episode nine of season two. Well also

1:07:11

there's like this like delight in withholding

1:07:13

quality. Yes, to the show too where

1:07:15

it's like totally in conclusion Dale Cooper

1:07:18

gets shot right in his hotel room.

1:07:20

That's a final episode of season one.

1:07:22

Yeah, he just ordered himself a glass

1:07:25

of warm milk. Yeah, which will be

1:07:27

his saving grace. Yes. he ends up

1:07:29

getting shot by an unseen assailant. Everything

1:07:32

is this dangling, like, we'll come back

1:07:34

next time and maybe we'll have more

1:07:36

answers for you, and they never will.

1:07:39

Right. They never will to the final

1:07:41

bitter end. No. The end of season

1:07:43

three, you still go like, what? Although

1:07:46

I do have my own theories. I

1:07:48

love it. But watching season one was

1:07:50

like eating like a little appetite. Yeah.

1:07:53

You know, in comparison to what comes

1:07:55

next. And then you have like a

1:07:57

really weird entree and then maybe one

1:08:00

of the greatest desserts ever. Yeah, totally.

1:08:02

Do you have any other thoughts about

1:08:04

season one? I don't know. It's such

1:08:07

a strange, I think season one in

1:08:09

particular, it's very hard to stop here.

1:08:11

You know what I mean? Oh yeah.

1:08:14

It's really only eight episodes. But even

1:08:16

saying that, like we've been talking for

1:08:18

over an hour and it's like hard

1:08:21

to even touch on 10% of it

1:08:23

at the same time. Yeah, it's just,

1:08:25

it's sprawling. Sprawling. Very enjoyable, very weird.

1:08:28

Yeah. Lots of horror nudges. Yeah. Like

1:08:30

the... Like an exorcist story plus a

1:08:32

historical drama that no one wants. plus

1:08:35

some soap opera that no one wants.

1:08:37

Yeah. Plus a little bit of lost?

1:08:39

Like a proto-lost? Yep. Yep. By the

1:08:42

end, you know? And then, yeah. And

1:08:44

like a real wacky villain. Yeah. What

1:08:46

do you want to do about season

1:08:49

two? Like someday we're going to talk

1:08:51

about. Oh, we're definitely going to do

1:08:53

it. We've opened this door. Yeah. We're

1:08:56

not closing this door. But in what

1:08:58

way do you mean? What we did

1:09:00

for Blair Witch of obsessing about Blair

1:09:03

Witch of obsessing about Blair Witch. peaks.

1:09:05

Yeah. But like, this was eight episodes.

1:09:07

I would actually like to take it

1:09:10

easy with Twin Peaks and not obsess

1:09:12

about it as much. No, I don't

1:09:14

mean obsess about it, like, go too

1:09:17

deep. But I just mean, like, season

1:09:19

two is 22 episodes. Oh, oh, right,

1:09:21

right, because it's so long. Yeah, what

1:09:24

do you want to split it in

1:09:26

half? Split it in half and do,

1:09:28

like, the part one, part one, yeah,

1:09:31

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I, yeah,

1:09:33

yeah, yeah. Yeah, oh boy, I am

1:09:35

excited. It actually probably makes sense to

1:09:38

do up to the Laura Palmer reveal

1:09:40

and then and then everything after. Yeah,

1:09:42

that's probably true. So it's not a

1:09:45

clean You know, part one, part two,

1:09:47

like exact half. There's not a single

1:09:49

thing about the show that's clean. No.

1:09:52

It's dirty. Yeah, all of our hands

1:09:54

are dirty. Yeah, we did this. You

1:09:56

did this too. It's your fault too

1:09:59

out there. It's so... you know out

1:10:01

there and like a lot to handle

1:10:03

i think just taking her nice and

1:10:05

easy and keeping it enjoyable and not

1:10:08

like so how do we how do

1:10:10

we do this is the way to

1:10:12

well i is structurally it's important for

1:10:15

me though to like structurally yes but

1:10:17

yeah not feeling like we have to

1:10:19

like cover every little bit it's hard

1:10:22

to it's hard to cram this show

1:10:24

to like i'm not good at that

1:10:26

but It was good. David lunged. It's

1:10:29

not like people watching stuff on their

1:10:31

phones. It's true though, I did it,

1:10:33

David. Sorry, pal. Yeah, I'm glad to

1:10:36

have opened this topic. This portal. This

1:10:38

portal. This portal into another world. Yeah,

1:10:40

yeah. All right, any other dangling chads

1:10:43

or chodes? I don't think so. I,

1:10:45

just taking a quick glance. I didn't

1:10:47

really take many, many notes. Because again,

1:10:50

I think that it was just almost

1:10:52

impossible. Can we talk about the log

1:10:54

lady? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. What do you

1:10:57

think about the log lady? She's such

1:10:59

a little weird out. Did you watch

1:11:01

the log lady intros? So what was

1:11:04

this? Once I switched to DVD. Yeah,

1:11:06

yeah. What is this? This was like

1:11:08

when it was released? Yeah, when it

1:11:11

was released on Showtime or something. Or

1:11:13

on DVD or on DVD or? No.

1:11:15

Actually I think it was on Bravo.

1:11:18

reality. They added the Log Lady intro.

1:11:20

And these are written by David Lynch.

1:11:22

This is, I think this is like,

1:11:25

these are like a perfect encapsulation of

1:11:27

like, they're somewhat material and completely pointless.

1:11:29

Yes. You know, the first one opens

1:11:32

with, welcome to Twin Peaks. My name

1:11:34

is Margaret Lanterman. I live in Twin

1:11:36

Peaks. I am known as the Log

1:11:39

Lady. There's a story behind that. There

1:11:41

are many stories in Twin Peaks. Some

1:11:43

are sad, some are funny. It's like,

1:11:46

okay? Yeah. Like it's written so simplistically

1:11:48

and to the point that it's pointless.

1:11:50

Right, right. You know? Yeah, just a

1:11:53

strange curio. Yeah. I don't really know

1:11:55

what the purpose was exactly. I don't

1:11:57

know. It is just like somebody welcoming

1:12:00

you to it. This initial one. episodes,

1:12:02

it's really just her saying strange little

1:12:04

sentences that sometimes have relevance to the

1:12:07

episode and sometimes are kind of non

1:12:09

sequiters. I think it's maybe just literally

1:12:11

because it's kind of nice to see

1:12:14

her. I guess so. I guess so.

1:12:16

I'm honestly just thinking from like a

1:12:18

marketing standpoint, like why would they pay

1:12:21

for this? Yeah, why bother? I'm glad

1:12:23

that they did. I don't really know.

1:12:25

I wrote some pointless things. Yeah. That

1:12:28

are very important. It may just be

1:12:30

that I don't know. All right, season

1:12:32

one everybody. Yeah, there's too much to

1:12:35

say that you could literally spend like

1:12:37

10 hours talking about all this. Yeah.

1:12:39

But who boy, in some way, we're

1:12:42

only just getting started. That's right. And

1:12:44

if you've never seen Twin Peaks, I'd

1:12:46

be curious to know your thoughts. I

1:12:49

wonder how this ages for people who

1:12:51

have never seen it before. It certainly

1:12:53

took me a while to get into.

1:12:56

Oh, completely understandably. It's an unbelievably weird

1:12:58

show. Yeah. Like I said, I'm surprised

1:13:00

that I like it as much as

1:13:03

I do. It seems like something I

1:13:05

wouldn't like. And yet I like it.

1:13:07

Yeah. We're like, like, what is happening

1:13:10

here? I don't get it, but I

1:13:12

do, I don't know. Interesting. Sometimes strange

1:13:14

ingredients just come together and hit. Yeah,

1:13:17

I don't know. Very well. I don't

1:13:19

know what to say. All right everybody,

1:13:21

thank you so much for hanging out

1:13:24

with us. Yes. We hope that you've

1:13:26

enjoyed our messy, messy feelings and analysis

1:13:28

of Twin Peak season one, which is

1:13:30

largely that it's, it slaps, yeah. It's

1:13:33

fun, but it's really like just the

1:13:35

the nascent beginning. That's right.

1:13:37

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1:14:05

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1:14:08

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1:14:10

Traveler. So we'll

1:14:12

be back next week,

1:14:15

not in Twin

1:14:17

Peaks, but until that

1:14:19

time comes, we

1:14:22

must travel. time Back

1:14:24

to the must travel. Back to

1:14:26

the Nether World Go We. Firewalk

1:14:32

with me also Me.

1:14:35

with me note that was Walk With

1:14:37

Me note that was

1:14:39

written in blood, very tidy I

1:14:41

agree tidy, I agree. like every

1:14:43

that, piece of single piece

1:14:45

of nudge clue, every nudge,

1:14:47

every thing occult symbol thing,

1:14:49

still ends in a

1:14:51

question mark. little very little

1:14:54

that I that I I

1:14:56

know, I know. I know I know I

1:14:58

know oh well mad genius you You did

1:15:00

it, David. Really it. it.