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Adventures. Yes, this week, we

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are covering the Goatman's Bridge

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episode of Ghost Adventures or

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Goatman's Bridge segment.

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Right. The way that this is

1:06

on the internet currently is a

1:08

little bit confusing. It is part

1:11

of a Route 666 special episode

1:13

on Max Now. Evidently was their

1:16

2016 Halloween special. Right. I guess

1:18

that they kind of like took this

1:20

out of that special and aired it

1:22

as its own episode when it was

1:24

just on TV or something, but now

1:26

you can find it by watching it

1:28

as episode 16, excuse me, season 16,

1:31

episode 6 on Max, which is yeah,

1:33

the Route 666 Halloween special. And this,

1:35

why did this come to mind for

1:37

you? Because you really suggested that we

1:39

watch this one. You know, I was

1:41

thinking about it later. I think that Liz

1:43

brought it up actually while we were recording

1:45

dead time at some point. I think she

1:48

was like, I want you and will to

1:50

cover this. Oh, okay. Interesting. So we're not

1:52

stealing, like, percolating. We're not stealing a

1:54

future dead time topic by doing this.

1:56

No, no, no, Liz was like, I

1:58

really want you. will to yeah it

2:00

was either on dead time or Liz

2:02

and I just talking about it

2:05

okay interesting dead time by the

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way is a patron exclusive podcast

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it's on our patron it's on

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the ghost and the burbs patron

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see you and Liz sour so okay the

2:16

goat man's bridge episode it's also

2:18

it's pretty infamous for reasons

2:20

that are obvious once you watch

2:22

it holy moly I don't think

2:24

that I think this might be

2:27

And I'm trying to comb

2:29

my memory banks real

2:31

quick. This might be one

2:33

of the, I don't want

2:36

to say scariest. Yeah. Most

2:38

shocking or darkest? Yeah. One

2:41

of the darkest episodes of

2:43

ghost adventures that I have

2:45

ever seen. Yeah, I can

2:47

see that. People are harmed

2:49

in this episode. Did you

2:52

watch the screaming room? I

2:54

did, indeed, yes, I did.

2:56

And then I think that's

2:58

also kind of confusing too

3:01

because like you... You're right, like

3:03

online this does appear to just be like

3:05

the Goatman's Bridge episode, even though it's part

3:07

of that bigger special. But when they did

3:09

their show where they watch old episodes of

3:11

their own show, Screaming Room, they just watched

3:14

the Goatman's Bridge on its own. It's not

3:16

as if they watched the whole Route 666

3:18

special. Yeah, I think the Goatman's Bridge segment

3:20

really stood out. Yeah, it seemed to be

3:22

substantial enough. It is the segment that closes

3:25

that closes that special. It's the bulk of

3:27

it. Yeah, it seemed like it was

3:29

like half of it. But so

3:31

yeah, this episode was, and we've

3:34

talked about the goat man's bridge

3:36

before I could swear. I think

3:38

kind of like in passing or

3:40

something. Okay. Not in any big

3:43

way. Yeah, I, I, uh, man,

3:45

have you, have alluded to this.

3:47

this Ghost Adventures episode of Goatman's

3:49

Bridge more than anything. You had seen

3:51

this before. Yeah, but not in forever. And

3:53

also I wrongly remembered I thought that like

3:55

Jay hurt himself during this episode. I thought

3:58

he like broke his leg or something. I

4:00

broke his heart. Yeah, totally. Oh

4:02

God. I think that it's not

4:04

impossible that I conflated Aaron being

4:06

thrown with Jay getting hurt in

4:08

multiple other ghost adventures episodes and

4:11

Jay's wife of it all in

4:13

this. You know what? Why don't

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we go to commercial and then

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to really. I think it's the

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one thing that you can't ignore.

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It's like the thing that must

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be faced immediately. Yeah. Is that

6:00

Jay's wife at the time, Ashley,

6:03

was they're just doing regular ghost

6:05

adventures stuff. Yeah, she's there still

6:07

photographer on ghost adventures. She has

6:09

a job on the crew. Yes.

6:11

And so Zach is already interviewing

6:14

people who've had experiences at the

6:16

Goatman Bridge, which is in Denton,

6:18

Texas, this like story of. A

6:20

million years ago it said that

6:22

the KKK chase down a man

6:25

and lynched him from the bridge

6:27

but his body disappeared and did

6:29

he come back as a goat?

6:31

It's this horrible, horrible story. That

6:33

adds to the darkness and I

6:36

want to mention I also watched

6:38

the Buzzfeed unsolved episode where they

6:40

go to Goat Man's Bridge which

6:42

is also like kind of like

6:44

one of their big episodes because

6:47

it's super funny and they immediately

6:49

say false that did not happen.

6:51

There was no record of this

6:53

ever having occurred. Ghost Adventures is...

6:55

what a crock of shit this

6:58

show is. I have had such

7:00

a tumultuous relationship with Ghost Adventures.

7:02

And by the way, that Buzzfeed

7:04

unsolved episode came out after this

7:06

Ghost Adventures episode, so it seems

7:09

like they almost said that in

7:11

response. to the Ghost Adventures episode,

7:13

which is kind of funny. And

7:15

they reference, it's kind of oblique,

7:17

but they're talking in the Buzzfeed

7:20

unsolved episode about like things that

7:22

have happened here. And I can't

7:24

remember what it was, I actually

7:26

don't think I wrote it down,

7:28

but they say something that happened

7:31

in Ghost Adventures. Like, oh, this

7:33

happened here or whatever. So definitely.

7:35

This is the bridge where Zach

7:37

Bagan lies down on his tummy

7:39

and cries into the boards. That

7:42

was crazy. He's basically planking. Everything

7:44

in this episode, especially in the

7:46

last handful of minutes, is unbelievable.

7:48

That was so chaotic. Those last

7:50

few minutes. It was. But we

7:53

got to focus on Ashley for

7:55

now, because there are too many

7:57

directions that we can go in.

7:59

So Zach's already interviewing people who've

8:01

had their own experiences on the

8:04

brain. when all of a sudden

8:06

his attention is drawn to the

8:08

fact that Ashley, there's still photographer,

8:10

and Jay's wife, is like crying

8:12

and walking away from the filming

8:14

area. And I hate this. I

8:17

absolutely hate what happens next, especially

8:19

knowing there's this like now metadata

8:21

from looking from poking around online

8:23

about this event that this episode.

8:25

is the last episode that Ashley

8:28

ever worked on. She left the

8:30

crew after this. And Jay on

8:32

that screaming room episode will say

8:34

that this episode and these events

8:36

with Ashley were quote unquote the

8:39

catalyst that eventually led to their

8:41

divorce. But what happens on the

8:43

show itself is that Zach is

8:45

like, Ashley, I've never seen you

8:47

like this. And then he brings

8:50

her into their like RV to

8:52

interview her and she looks. So,

8:54

like, bereft, angry, she's not talking,

8:56

she's only nodding, like he's asking

8:58

her questions. There's this whole thing

9:01

of, like, he's already interviewed two

9:03

women who've had experiences at the

9:05

Goatman Bridge where they say that

9:07

they themselves were hit or scratched.

9:09

Yeah, there are lots of scratches

9:12

and threes going on, which of

9:14

course is an affront to the

9:16

Holy Trinity. Trinity and sneaky demon.

9:18

That's right and then and then

9:20

these women have established that afterward

9:23

they felt very very angry. Yes.

9:25

And one woman ends up saying

9:27

that she wanted to kill everyone.

9:29

Yes. First she said she just

9:31

wanted to punch everyone. She just

9:34

wanted to knock them all down

9:36

and then Zach's like I think

9:38

you're holding something back. Master interviewer.

9:40

Come on Phoebe. What is it?

9:42

Yes, yes, yes, I did or

9:45

whatever and then he's like you

9:47

okay for having I know it

9:49

was hard that I made you

9:51

say that And then brings the

9:53

lady's kid into it. Yeah, he's

9:56

like is this your son boy

9:58

did your momy was she was

10:00

she did she act weird he's

10:02

like yeah my momy act weird

10:04

after that it's like boom and

10:07

screaming rooms acts like see I loved

10:09

this I loved this bringing this boy oh

10:11

boy it's good to to be able to

10:13

verify from an outside source and I

10:15

was like I see what you're saying

10:17

that it's like I think to him

10:19

it was like a moment of cinema

10:21

verite. Yeah, oh yes. Oh, this is

10:24

unusual. This is not what we usually

10:26

do. I went off script for this

10:28

moment. So this I love. He

10:30

fancies himself an artist. Watching Zach

10:32

Bacon's, watch Zach Bacon's, is an experience

10:35

like no other. When they cut

10:37

to him and he's looking satisfied.

10:39

Satisfied at the events on camera

10:41

that I am mortified by. Yeah.

10:43

It's it's it's ghastly. It's the most

10:45

ghastly thing you can you can see.

10:47

I think that I saw a glimmer

10:49

of trying to hold back laughter

10:51

during screaming room. Yes.

10:53

Because it is so ridiculous. It

10:55

gets so gonzo by the end.

10:57

So now Zach has pulled Ashley

11:00

into their RV and he says

11:02

very strange things because he's Zach

11:04

Bagan's. He goes, at one point

11:07

he goes, Ash, you've been given

11:09

pure looks of evil. Like in

11:11

your eyes, I've never seen that

11:13

before. I noticed it at the

11:15

bridge. You're not yourself right now, Ash.

11:17

This is after she said she's just

11:20

feeling really anxious. That's not going to

11:22

help. It's not going to help. I'm

11:24

feeling really anxious. Well, you've been giving

11:26

looks of pure evil. Everybody thinks you're

11:29

weird. Yeah. And he goes, like something's

11:31

got a hold of you on our

11:33

ghost show. God. And then he just,

11:35

she's not responding at all, which to me are...

11:37

Obvious symptoms of somebody in a

11:39

very depressive low. I've gone like nonverbal

11:42

from depression before where I just like

11:44

I cannot communicate at all. Talk to

11:46

me. I just need to be left

11:49

alone. An incredibly low point and you

11:51

can't even you can't even vocalize, hey

11:53

I'm in a very low point and

11:55

I just need like space or something.

11:58

You can't even bring yourself. to say

12:00

that. I was watching her and

12:02

I was getting this like, like,

12:04

almost like a memory of feeling

12:07

like this. And then Zach turns,

12:09

oh, this was so annoying to

12:11

me. He goes, he turns and

12:13

he looks off camera and he

12:15

goes, Jay, this is your wife.

12:17

What's happening? Like Jay, could you

12:20

answer for your wife's behavior? Right,

12:22

right. Can you explain her? Jay,

12:24

she's yours? And then he also

12:26

said, he goes, are you having

12:28

violent thoughts? She nods her head

12:30

and he goes, yeah, like you

12:33

want to do violent to me?

12:35

Like you want to do violent

12:37

to me? Yeah, yeah, she nods

12:39

again, but everyone does. Yeah, I

12:41

want to do violent to you.

12:43

Yeah, I absolutely do. Totally do

12:46

violent to you. What a clown.

12:48

My favorite ghost hunting clown. I

12:50

know. I do appreciate that he

12:52

takes her over to the other

12:54

ladies who had been having those

12:56

violent thoughts as well because they

12:59

surround her. They are her village

13:01

in that moment. Yes. Yes. Which

13:03

I appreciate. She needs them a

13:05

lot more than she needs Zach,

13:07

just sitting her down and being

13:09

like everybody thinks you're being weird.

13:12

Yeah, totally. Oh God, what a

13:14

doofus. He, so Belinda and Phoebea

13:16

are the names of the other

13:18

woman. And one of them says.

13:20

That's what happens to women here

13:22

at this bridge. I know. I

13:25

know. I know. It feels like

13:27

a new story element has been

13:29

established in that moment. Yes. That

13:31

like this ghost or this like

13:33

goat man picks on women specifically

13:35

or something. That wasn't necessarily clear

13:38

to me. And then the other

13:40

woman, I'm not sure which was

13:42

Belinda or Phoebe saying this, but

13:44

she says just keep fighting it.

13:46

Just know that it's not you.

13:48

It's something that's trying to take

13:50

over your emotions and you're not

13:53

gonna let it. Right. And then

13:55

Zach gets pissed with a righteous

13:57

anger and he turns. to

13:59

the forest and

14:01

bellows. Is this your

14:03

way of getting at us? Taking

14:06

the only woman on our crew? Obviously

14:10

it's all about Zach, of what Ashley's going

14:12

through. That's just the ghost trying to get

14:14

to the big dog. I don't know if

14:16

it's true. Totally and. It's got nothing to

14:18

do with you, Ashley, at all. It's really

14:20

all about me, if you think about it. He

14:23

also yells at the ghost and calls

14:25

it a coward, because it's cowardly

14:27

to be picking on the women, because the

14:29

women are weakest. That's correct. So if you're

14:31

going after the women, what a wuss you

14:33

are. You prey upon women? You attack

14:35

them? Is that what you do? I

14:37

obviously don't want anybody preying upon women,

14:39

but I was like, from Zach, this

14:41

is what this feels like to me,

14:43

and I don't appreciate it. Oh, yes.

14:45

Whatever you are, you're a coward. Yeah.

14:47

I don't understand. I've never gotten the

14:49

Marty McFly thing of like, what

14:52

are you, chicken? And then it stops

14:54

you in your truck. Nobody calls me

14:56

chicken needles, nobody. I've never quite understood

14:58

that. Yeah. You know, maybe I just

15:00

don't have that gene or something, but

15:02

like if somebody called - Yeah, I'm

15:04

a proud coward. Yeah, I'm an absolute

15:07

coward. don't want to get in scraps

15:09

and trouble. No. If somebody - In that

15:11

sense, I'm a total coward. Yeah, in

15:13

that context, yes, I am. I'm running.

15:15

In Zach's, maybe not so much his

15:17

mind, because I don't know what Zach

15:19

believes. Right. But in Zach's story for

15:21

the episode, he's yelling at a ghost

15:23

and calling them a coward. Yeah. Does

15:26

he think that he's gonna make a

15:28

ghost back down by

15:30

yelling at it and calling it a

15:32

coward? Well, I don't know, because this whole

15:34

thing is provoking. So is he trying to get

15:36

it to show itself by calling it a coward?

15:38

Is that the ultimate insult that that will then

15:40

make it rear up? I don't know. I don't

15:42

know. It's - I'm not sure what

15:44

he's trying to get at. So stupid.

15:46

Do violent to me. Do violent to

15:48

me. You know what I liked at

15:51

the very beginning of the episode when

15:53

they first get there? He's not talking

15:55

to a ghost yet or a goat

15:57

man or whatever. He is yelling to

15:59

the energies of - forest, which I like. He

16:01

says that anything dark at all, you

16:03

are to come through. Because he says

16:05

that this place is a portal. Yes.

16:07

And it's kind of a variation on

16:09

a theme, but it was still kind

16:11

of fun to hear him just talking

16:14

to the general energies of the

16:16

forest. Did you also? Like a little

16:18

witchy, and I liked it. Did you

16:20

get very witchy in this episode? Oh,

16:22

yeah. Did you notice, though, that after

16:24

he does say that after he does say

16:26

to the woods. Anything that's been

16:28

conjured here. He goes, he says, well,

16:30

we're here, I want the portals of

16:33

this forest wide open. And then he

16:35

quietly says to the camera, something in

16:37

this forest is aware that we're here.

16:40

Yeah, because you just shouted it once

16:42

to open the portal. Yeah, I think

16:44

it knows. These two moments should appear

16:46

backwards in the, in the, in the

16:48

edit. Yeah. Even if he said them

16:50

in that order, have them say something,

16:52

knows we're here. Open the portals. It

16:54

doesn't make sense to shout and then

16:57

go. It knows. I think somehow it's

16:59

paired up on our set boys.

17:01

So stupid. What a stupid stupid

17:03

thing. Kick's ass. It's great. It's,

17:05

it's delightful. Also, I'm kind of going

17:08

backwards because we sort of jumped

17:10

right ahead to the ass. I know, it

17:12

was just such a big thing. Yeah.

17:14

Of course, of course. Just the premise

17:16

of what's going on here is

17:19

also just a little bit garbled.

17:21

So they tell the story of

17:23

this whole. fake, like K-K-K-Fing. And

17:25

they say that this local goat

17:27

herder, who they say is named

17:29

Oscar Washburn, was, was, he placed

17:32

a sign on the bridge, who

17:34

was a black man, that enraged

17:36

the K-K-K, so they hung

17:38

him from that bridge, but

17:40

his body went missing, and

17:42

they also killed his family

17:44

and burned down his house. But

17:46

then they jump right to saying

17:48

that Satan were... Satan worshippers frequent

17:50

the forest and like that's like

17:52

kind of the issue So it

17:54

doesn't seem like a one-to-one haunting.

17:56

Yeah, like is it the ghost

17:58

of Oscar Washburn? who has now

18:01

returned as a goat man? Or

18:03

is it Satan worshippers who have

18:05

like conjured a goat man? That's

18:07

a great question. Um, and whatever's

18:09

the spookiest, does a much better

18:11

job of just delineating, like some

18:13

people say it's this story, some

18:15

people say it's that story. It's

18:18

all just a mush. in the

18:20

Ghost Adventures episode. Yes. And then

18:22

a little bit later, it gets

18:24

a little bit more clear, where

18:26

Zach says that Oscar may be

18:28

a half-man, half-goat demon for purposes

18:30

of vengeance. And I'm remembering as

18:32

I'm saying this, this was something

18:35

in Buzzfeet Unsolved that seemed to

18:37

be directly refuting Ghost Adventures in

18:39

another way. They said. Some people

18:41

say that it's Oscar come back,

18:43

but that cannot be true because

18:45

demons are not of This is

18:47

me saying it demons are not

18:49

of mortal flesh in any way

18:52

demons are just supposed to be

18:54

from the underworld So it's right

18:56

you can't be a human who

18:58

comes back as a demon. That's

19:00

not a thing. But they were

19:02

just kind of like false Oscar

19:04

Washper never existed false even if

19:06

he did he would not have

19:09

come back as a demon so

19:11

it felt very like just kind

19:13

of like debunking everything about the

19:15

ghost adventures episode which was enjoyable

19:17

yeah it's it's it's a weird

19:19

thing because ghost adventures is I

19:21

think still the juggernaut is there

19:23

a bigger show than this Ghosty

19:26

show wise? I don't know. In

19:28

terms of like popularity or even

19:30

longevity at this point. Totally. And

19:32

even if it's people hate watching

19:34

it, I think it is probably

19:36

the biggest one. So it's hard

19:38

to have the story that they

19:40

tell be the story of record.

19:43

Because I don't believe in anything

19:45

that Zachans says. And especially in

19:47

this episode, he's got so many

19:49

absurd bagenisms. that he does? Like,

19:51

Bacon Bits. Yeah. His Bacon Bits.

19:53

His Bacon Bits. His Bacon Bits

19:55

are. really popping

19:57

off. He just

20:00

is like a

20:02

showman in the

20:04

extreme. It just,

20:06

I applaud, even BuzzFeed Unsolved is

20:08

a juggernaut of its own, right?

20:10

Oh yeah. But I love the

20:12

idea that they are actively trying

20:14

to refute what Ghost Adventures has

20:16

said. Right, right. And

20:18

now Shane and Ryan have left BuzzFeed and they do

20:21

their own thing. They have their own whole thing, a

20:23

network called Watcher, by the way. Yes, right, right, right.

20:25

But you can just still watch the old BuzzFeed Unsolved

20:27

videos. But yeah,

20:29

you're right. They also say that

20:31

in 1977, a girl was found

20:33

dead by the bridge. And the

20:35

scariest thing is that she had

20:37

a teddy bear with her. Well,

20:40

it was that a little, well

20:42

yes, certainly that. But the beginning

20:44

part of it was weird too,

20:46

was that a young girl went

20:48

missing in the Ghost Adventures story.

20:50

And then during the search for

20:52

this young girl, they ended up

20:55

finding the body of a 25

20:57

year old girl. Oh, okay, okay.

20:59

Who had a teddy bear with

21:01

her. So to me, they don't

21:03

say this at all, but I

21:05

was like, well that almost sounds

21:07

like the girl, the little kid

21:10

girl went into the woods and

21:12

somehow went through a portal and

21:14

aged into a 25 year old.

21:16

And then they found her body

21:18

there. Okay. They never say that,

21:20

but it's just like little, let's

21:22

say five years old, I'm not

21:24

sure, but they said like little

21:27

kid goes missing. And then during

21:29

the search for her, they find

21:31

adult woman. But with little kid

21:33

accessory, what the hell does this

21:35

mean? Gotcha. Okay, yeah, that is

21:37

weird. But yeah, it is like,

21:39

I would appreciate if they did

21:42

have a better sort of anthropological

21:44

segment to kick things off of

21:46

like, here are the, usually a

21:48

little bit better than this, honestly.

21:50

Maybe that's true. Maybe that's true.

21:52

To give them a little credit,

21:54

not that it's always like so

21:57

verifiable or whatever, but this I

21:59

found especially scattered. They say that

22:01

satanic worshipers, this is like a

22:03

breeding ground for them, which, I

22:05

don't know what - Just keep

22:07

popping up. A breeding ground for

22:09

satan worshipers. Let's make more satan

22:12

worshipers, everyone. They go there trying

22:14

to conjure a goat man or

22:16

a satyr. I like thinking about Sators. So do I. You

22:18

don't hear about Sators very much. Yeah. But it can't be very

22:20

effective because... Now there aren't that many of them. You can't find

22:22

them. It don't appear to be any goat man or Sators at

22:24

all. It's also weird to me, and I don't want to dwell

22:27

on this too much probably, but like the KKK, Zakbagans, says the

22:29

KKK goes there. Right. two exact opposite approaches to their

22:31

evil? You know what I

22:33

mean? Like KKK people still

22:35

carry like crosses and stuff.

22:37

Oh right, yeah. But Satan

22:39

worshippers worship Satan. Yeah, that's true.

22:41

KKK people like love God. In

22:44

the Venn diagram. They're doing a

22:46

terrible job of it, but they

22:48

say they love God. Yeah, yeah,

22:50

yeah. In the Venn diagram of

22:52

the KK, it's same. They all

22:54

agree, the goat man's bridge is

22:56

the place for us. Yeah, that's

22:58

right. That's strange. That is surprising.

23:00

All right. Let's, uh... Let's see, I

23:02

guess maybe it's time, we've kind of

23:04

addressed all the Ashley stuff, maybe it's

23:07

time to talk about their investigation.

23:09

Yeah, that's true. Their nighttime

23:11

investigation. So they decide to split

23:13

off, Bill Toley is going to

23:15

go off on the river. He's

23:18

taking to the water. That's so funny

23:20

to me. Which Zach calls a flowing

23:22

artery of evil blood. Yeah, that's

23:24

sort of what I was referencing

23:26

in talking about his bag and

23:28

bets being. out of control in this

23:31

episode. I think he obviously knew

23:33

that this was their Halloween special,

23:35

and so they needed a little

23:38

extra sauce on everything. Billy is

23:40

about a mile from where he

23:42

launched in this flowing artery of

23:45

evil blood. What? You mean water?

23:47

Right. It's also called Old

23:49

Hickory Creek. Old Hickory. Which is

23:51

a great name. It is a

23:53

great name. And when he's, when

23:56

Zach is seeing him off, I'm

23:58

basically pushing the boat off. the

24:00

shore with his foot and saying,

24:02

oh vois. He stresses that there

24:04

are dangerous people out in this

24:06

area who Billy wouldn't want to

24:08

come across when he's out of

24:10

cell range. And I'm surprised they

24:12

didn't shove Aaron out there as

24:14

meat, because they're usually doing that

24:17

to Aaron, put him up there

24:19

on his own. But here's the

24:21

thing. Aaron's value. He's not expendable.

24:23

He's not expendable. And Billy very

24:25

much is. Was I hearing that

24:27

right? Like Bart Simpson? Holy crud,

24:29

man. There were at least two

24:31

or three times where I was

24:33

like, did he say crud? But

24:36

then I was like, actually, maybe

24:38

he said what? Oh, crud. Oh,

24:40

crud. It's so funny. The level

24:42

of preparation and... that is so

24:44

high of them with like all

24:46

their gizmos and gadgets and wismos

24:48

and do dads and then they

24:50

push Billy in a boat and

24:52

then Zach's like if the Satanist

24:54

are here they might try to

24:57

kill him. Push him in the

24:59

boat and then they at some

25:01

point they cut to Billy and

25:03

they're like he's outside of walkie-talkie

25:05

range now. But then we see

25:07

Billy's coming and he's going like,

25:09

oh crud. Oh, crud. There's... The

25:11

boat's starting to fill with water?

25:13

Like, oh, oh, crud. Like, why

25:15

didn't you have a better boat,

25:18

you guys? Why have a boat

25:20

that could take on water? Why

25:22

are you sailing off in a

25:24

little wooden boat in the year

25:26

2016? Totally, at the mercy of,

25:28

of Satanist, and by the way,

25:30

they, like, when they say Satanist,

25:32

it's this... You know, this ghost

25:34

adventures idea of Satanist. Yeah, the

25:37

pop culture idea of a Satanist.

25:39

People who are actually worshipping the

25:41

devil. Yes. Who are here to

25:43

do harm to others. 90% of

25:45

people hear Satanist and they think

25:47

all they do is draw pentagrams

25:49

and literally try to talk to

25:51

the devil. That's what they are

25:53

talking about. That's the risk in

25:55

their heads. It's not necessarily what

25:58

goes on in real life. No,

26:00

Satanists, it seems like they try

26:02

to fight the government. Right, they're

26:04

like chill and cool, but they

26:06

are talking about like the pop,

26:08

pop Satanists. Yeah. So Billy, who

26:10

gives a shit what he's doing,

26:12

he's just looking at the shore

26:14

through like a pair of binoculars

26:17

for the whole episode. He's like

26:19

basically checked out. If I were

26:21

Billy or Jay. Yeah. I would

26:23

be so excited to be on

26:25

this ride and so aware that

26:27

at the drop of a hat

26:29

they could just bring in someone

26:31

else. This is Zach and Aaron's

26:33

show. Totally. They are the Abedon

26:35

Costello of this. And at any

26:38

given moment Billy could have just

26:40

disappeared on that boat and we'd

26:42

have a new Billy next week

26:44

and no one would even know.

26:46

The ghost pimp? I don't know

26:48

if that's true well. Please don't

26:50

forget that the first episode that

26:52

were introduced to Billy we find

26:54

out that he is part of

26:56

a paranormal investigation group called the

26:59

ghost pimps. I believe he created

27:01

the ghost pimps. I think you're

27:03

right. I think it may be

27:05

one of the worst first impressions

27:07

I've ever had with any media

27:09

person of all time. I couldn't

27:11

believe it. I'm from ghost pimps.

27:13

Yeah. Shocking. You are? But that

27:15

did lead to the talking to

27:18

the formation of our two-person investigative

27:20

team. Ghost plumps. I can't believe

27:22

we haven't done much with ghost

27:24

plumps. Don't worry, we will. Yeah,

27:26

definitely we will. Yeah. We need,

27:28

you know what, we need, we

27:30

need a cool logo. Yeah. Us

27:32

back to back, fog, ghost plumps,

27:34

it says, and it's not an

27:36

acronym. No. No, it just means

27:39

what it means. Just to plump

27:41

ghost charges. That's right. What more

27:43

do you need? Ashley and Billy

27:45

have a moment of intersection because

27:47

something horrific happens. Genuinely horrific. I

27:49

feel. Billy's in the boat. Ashley

27:51

has now, a day has transpired

27:53

since Zach confronted her in the

27:55

RV. And she has said she

27:58

wants to come back, she wants

28:00

to confront, because she appears to

28:02

believe herself that whatever is happening

28:04

to her is the result of

28:06

the stuff in the woods. Okay.

28:08

She wants to confront the spirits

28:10

in the woods, so they cover

28:12

her with microphones and stuff, and

28:14

they send her by herself into

28:16

the dark. Right. Real quick, by

28:19

the way, you saying they cover

28:21

her with microphones, during this whole

28:23

nighttime segment, Zach, Bacon's wardrobe check

28:25

is dressed in like tactical gear.

28:27

All of a sudden, he looks

28:29

so crazy. I think he looks

28:31

the craziest that he's ever looked

28:33

for one of these investigations. He's

28:35

wearing camo pants. And just like,

28:38

Chris crossing straps holding cameras and

28:40

stuff. He's got a thing on

28:42

his forehead. Like a little light

28:44

on his forehead. Look at this

28:46

man. It's just, look at this.

28:48

He looks like a one man

28:50

band. Yeah, he does. He's like

28:52

a 2016 version of Burt from

28:54

Mary Poppins. I don't want you

28:56

to say that. Shh. No. He's

28:59

got everything you possibly need. He

29:01

was my number one crush when

29:03

I was a child and I

29:05

won't have you equating him. When

29:07

you were a child. He's still

29:09

out there, you know. I know

29:11

he is. He's really kicking. You

29:13

can do some tap dancing with

29:15

old Dick Van Dyke. I heard

29:17

he breaks a toe every time

29:20

his foot touches the ground. No

29:22

he doesn't. He's been seen like

29:24

leaving the gym, like leaving the

29:26

gym and stuff. That guy is

29:28

active. Because he can't use the

29:30

gym. He keeps leaving. Stupidly she's

29:32

been shown leaving the gym. Enough,

29:34

I tried again. I can't even

29:36

lift the bar. With nothing on

29:39

it. I'm 90-90-90-90. Oh God, but

29:41

I'm sorry, that was my digression

29:43

about what Zach's wearing. But yeah,

29:45

no, you're right. Ashley goes out

29:47

into the woods. And now Ashley's

29:49

out by herself. they're

29:51

watching from their

29:53

mobile nerve center.

29:55

And Zach makes

29:57

a point of

30:00

being like, you

30:02

know, we're too

30:04

far away to

30:06

do it. You

30:08

know, we're too far away

30:10

to be of any use if

30:13

something bad happens. Okay, why?

30:15

Why are you? Why? And then

30:17

Billy's out on his boat

30:19

and the moment of intersection is

30:21

that Billy hears a gunshot. And

30:24

Ashley can hear it too. So

30:26

just out there in the woods, someone

30:28

fires a gun. Right. And they

30:30

take some time with this to say

30:33

like, we're here for a film,

30:35

like Zach's like, we are working with

30:37

the local authorities to make sure

30:39

our filming area is safe. I was

30:41

hitting those consonants. So why are

30:43

we hearing a gunshot? Yeah. And okay,

30:46

there's a hunter out there beyond

30:48

the radius of their film shoot. I'm

30:50

guessing. Sure. Because it turns out

30:52

not to be notable. Like nothing really

30:54

comes of it. Right. But if

30:56

you're out there alone, I don't care.

30:58

I don't care if you don't

31:01

believe in the ghost at all and

31:03

you're just making your TV show

31:05

because it's popular or whatever. You're, now

31:07

you are Ghost Pimp himself, Billy.

31:09

Yeah. Billy in the boat. You're just

31:11

miles down the river by yourself

31:13

in the dark and you hear a

31:16

gunshot. Right. Water at your ankles.

31:18

Yeah. There are. You're using a bucket

31:20

to try to stay in your

31:22

shitty little boat. Risks from below and

31:24

above. Thousands of dollars of equipment

31:26

on your head and you've got a

31:29

shit boat with a bunch of

31:31

holes that are plugged with cork. And

31:33

you hear a gunshot. That is

31:35

a long night to be by yourself.

31:37

That's horrifying. Bugs everywhere too. Oh,

31:39

mm. They went for Zach's jugular. That's

31:41

right. Yeah, a spider comes right

31:44

for his jugular. I

31:46

would not like that. That's a moment

31:48

where like. I would hate this whole thing,

31:50

by the way. course, of course. There

31:52

are snakes everywhere. He makes a point that

31:54

there are water moccasins in the water.

31:56

Oh, God, I hate this whole thing. The

32:01

level of self-awareness or lack, I know.

32:03

It's such a sliding scale. It's really

32:05

hard to peg these guys because when

32:07

they show footage of Zach, and it's

32:09

a big spider, they've got this night

32:11

vision goggle thing, and Zach is walking

32:13

into the woods, and a big spider

32:15

is on the back of his neck,

32:17

and so it's to crawl around to

32:20

the side of his neck. That's horrible,

32:22

awful, awful, to have a big spider

32:24

on your neck, and not be able to

32:26

see it, just feel it, just feel it,

32:28

whatever. But then his voiceover comes in.

32:30

Just as I'm about to enter

32:32

this cave-like entrance to the forest,

32:35

enter and entrance, I know, redundant

32:37

words, just as I'm about to

32:39

enter this cave-like entrance to the

32:42

forest, a massive spider goes straight

32:44

for my jugular. Right, I mean, no,

32:46

it's just a spider that was crawling on

32:49

him and it happened to be on his

32:51

neck. It was not going for his

32:53

jugular. You had a spider on your

32:55

head. Yeah. Doesn't mean that it was. He

32:57

just has to amp up the drama

32:59

and the danger of everything. But is

33:01

that with a wink wink nudge nudge

33:04

silliness? Because it really did not sound

33:06

like it. Sometimes it is. How can

33:08

you expect to be taken seriously when

33:10

you are saying a spider went from

33:13

my jugular? What are you talking about?

33:15

I don't know. I don't know. That's

33:17

the caliber of thought. Right. I

33:19

know it's like a two-second, I

33:22

get, I tend to, I think,

33:24

really get obsessed with like very

33:26

minuscule issues. Well, yeah. But it's

33:29

like, they're a symptom. Uh-huh. Zach's

33:31

saying that a spider went for

33:34

his jugular is so stupid and

33:36

obviously not true. It's weird. It's

33:38

something Napoleon dynamite would say. Will

33:41

the spider go for my jugular?

33:43

It's so crazy that it's like that

33:45

that mind is all is doing everything

33:47

else we're seeing too. Yeah, totally. It's

33:49

weird because I could see him saying

33:51

that in another episode and it being

33:54

a clear joke because he does sometimes

33:56

joke. But in that, yeah, he doesn't

33:58

deliver it in a jokey way. So. It's kind

34:00

of hard to get a beat on.

34:02

It's insane. Yeah. He's an insane man.

34:04

No, it's absolutely crazy. And then right

34:07

on the heels of that as they're

34:09

walking into the, as they're entering the

34:11

cave-like entrance, they see two glowing eyes.

34:13

Yeah. And it's, yeah. This is funny

34:15

too. So they do look like two

34:18

glowing eyes. I firmly believe that there

34:20

was an animal about 10 feet away

34:22

from them looking at them in the

34:24

dark and their cameras picked up on

34:26

the glowing eyes like when a cat's

34:29

eyes glow in the dark that sort

34:31

of thing. But then Zach goes like

34:33

they keep replaying the moment that the

34:35

eyes appear and then disappear. Yeah, which

34:37

to me is like an animal. looking

34:39

and then turning its head to the

34:42

light is not reflecting its face anymore.

34:44

Or closing its eyes. Any number of

34:46

things, Kristen? Of course. His VO is,

34:48

these eyes are free-floating and in mid-air.

34:50

This is not any type of animal.

34:53

Why? Why not? What gives you that

34:55

idea? I know, there's nothing to suggest

34:57

that it's not an animal. Like I

34:59

hear you saying that. And you're in

35:01

the what? I hear you declaring that

35:03

this isn't an animal? But that doesn't

35:06

carry anyway. You're the guy who said

35:08

a spider was going for your jugular

35:10

five seconds ago. Why do you think

35:12

this couldn't be an animal in the

35:14

woods at night? Right, right. Like that

35:17

could just be a raccoon that was

35:19

like... foraging for food and then looked

35:21

up and saw people and then got

35:23

the hell out of there. Of course.

35:25

But it's scary enough to be like

35:28

we're here in the elements. Of course

35:30

and that that is scary. You know

35:32

what I mean? Like you don't know

35:34

what that is. That's a little bit.

35:36

It's it's a little freaky. Now Will,

35:38

after this point is just about when

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in Arlington, Virginia. Okay, so chronologically

41:26

what happens next dish is Jay

41:28

really kind of like taking a

41:31

bit of a lead and suggesting

41:33

something. He is usually like stepping

41:35

to the forefront being like here's

41:37

what I think we should do.

41:39

But in this episode he does,

41:41

and he has a ritual that

41:43

he thinks that they should perform.

41:45

I was confused. So, me too.

41:48

The ritual was to call in

41:50

three demons. But I guess they're

41:52

like good demons? That will then

41:54

expand. the bad demon that is

41:56

the goat man. That is what

41:58

I gather from this. Like bodyguards?

42:00

I guess. I don't know. He

42:02

sort of like, they big it

42:05

up a little bit. You know

42:07

what? This, I, I, not to

42:09

be a conspiracy theorist. Pardon me.

42:11

Yeah. They say that like, the

42:13

voiceover is Zach being like. Jay

42:15

decided to do something kind of

42:17

kooky. But then in the episode,

42:19

like right after he says that,

42:22

he goes, Jay, so you want

42:24

to go try to conjure it?

42:26

He like throws to Jay basically

42:28

to say his idea. Where I'm

42:30

like, oh, you planned this out

42:32

before to the degree that Zach

42:34

knows that like he's gonna be

42:36

like, all right, now it's time

42:39

for us to do that thing,

42:41

Jay, that you're gonna be in

42:43

charge of. Right. Well, maybe it

42:45

makes it sound like it's Zach's

42:47

idea. I don't think so. No,

42:49

it's because it still sounds to

42:51

me like Zach was saying like,

42:53

oh Jay, like you told me

42:56

this thing that you want to

42:58

do. All right, maybe. But so

43:00

then it was confusing to me

43:02

because Jay basically he's like, I'm

43:04

gonna I'm gonna summon three demons,

43:06

but he like takes his hat

43:08

off or something and he already

43:10

has some sort of a sigilal

43:13

thing drawn in there. Oh, I

43:15

didn't even notice that. Wasn't it

43:17

inside his hat? Like, remember he

43:19

showed, like, like, a little chalk

43:21

drawing thing? I feel like he

43:23

was wearing his hat and it

43:25

already had. I totally missed that.

43:27

Some sort of a symbol thing

43:30

in it. I could swear. No,

43:32

you could totally be right. I

43:34

don't remember that. And then while

43:36

he's talking about, like, we're going

43:38

to summon the three demons. We're

43:40

going to do this. That's not

43:42

good. I lost my hearing. I

43:44

lost my hearing. Yeah. I can't

43:46

hear anything. And everyone ignores him.

43:49

Yeah. No one says that a

43:51

shadow passed over him and that

43:53

it made him temporarily deaf. And

43:55

by the way, Aaron who doesn't

43:57

want to do this ritual is

43:59

the same Aaron who went to

44:01

Jamaica to conjure a witch. Yes.

44:03

Yes. Come on, man. As we

44:06

discussed in a previous ghost adventures

44:08

adventures, they offhandedly mentioned that Aaron

44:10

went to Jamaica to do a

44:12

ritual. Right. We're not going to

44:14

talk about it. Why not? And

44:16

then that Jamaican witch lived in

44:18

his dad's house. Which was his

44:20

former house. That's what it was.

44:23

Yeah. So Aaron being like, like,

44:25

I lost my hearing. I can't

44:27

hear anything. And everyone just being

44:29

like, so, so Jay, tell me

44:31

about this ritual. Like, why isn't

44:33

anyone noting how strange it is

44:35

that Aaron's hearing has disappeared? Right.

44:37

They don't care about him. Yeah,

44:40

yeah. They don't have any feelings

44:42

for him. Maybe not only is

44:44

he gone deaf, deaf, deaf to

44:46

Aaron. Kristen, that's very good. I

44:48

wonder. I wonder. But Jay says

44:50

that they're gonna fight fire with

44:52

fire. It's the only way. Yeah.

44:54

And then Zachos, no, it's not

44:57

our problem. What is this? That,

44:59

yeah. What do you mean it's

45:01

not your problem? Hey, what do

45:03

you think you're doing here? This

45:05

is an eternal question about ghost

45:07

adventures. What do they think? they

45:09

are doing. I can see saying

45:11

it's a bridge too far. We

45:14

came here, we'll try to do

45:16

what we can with investigation stuff,

45:18

but I don't think that we

45:20

should be conjuring demons. Sure. To

45:22

fight the demons, it's just, it's

45:24

too much we get ourselves in

45:26

too much trouble, we can't go

45:28

that far, but to say it's

45:31

not our problems. It's not our

45:33

problem. Yeah. We're just humble travelers

45:35

passing through. Right. No. You have

45:37

quarrel with these demons. Yes. sudden

45:39

about face from Mr. Bagan. I

45:41

don't know. I guess it's like,

45:43

yeah, now you're dabbling in like

45:45

the occult and witchcraft and like

45:48

acting in it in a way

45:50

that they're not used to doing

45:52

or that they don't usually do

45:54

and he's like that's too much.

45:56

Yes. Yeah, true. But still that.

45:58

The way he said it is

46:00

like, oh, excuse me. Yeah, I

46:02

know. Excuse me. So he does

46:05

obviously try to protect us, which

46:07

I thought was very nice and

46:09

Mr. Bagan's. He says, we decide

46:11

to attempt to conjure this entity

46:13

from underneath Goatman's Bridge. We want

46:15

to remind everyone that's watching

46:17

this that this ritual is

46:20

from ancient texts and is

46:22

not satanic whatsoever. As a

46:24

precautionary measure, we will be

46:26

excluding specific spoken sections of

46:29

the ritual. So we can't

46:31

recreate it at home. I

46:33

know. I appreciate him looking

46:35

at for a safety. Which

46:38

is smart. Yeah. I know

46:40

that there have been like, and there's

46:42

like, Deo, Slato nose. There are shows

46:44

before where a character is like, my

46:46

God, they wrote a recipe for a

46:49

bomb. Yeah. And like they are not

46:51

allowed to show that on TV because

46:53

it would be sharing the recipe for

46:56

a bomb. I love that the Ghost

46:58

Adventure's equivalent is Jay Wozley is about

47:00

to recite a spell and they don't

47:03

want kids to be influenced. Totally.

47:05

I was like, he was inside

47:07

like a double layer of what

47:09

I'm guessing is salt or something

47:11

equivalent that's protective. It doesn't

47:13

seem like it would be

47:15

double the effectiveness, but okay.

47:18

Wow, good point. Yes, there's

47:20

something that is actually, rendering

47:22

ineffective, having to salt race.

47:24

I don't know. Maybe they just,

47:26

it's fine. There's really splurged on

47:28

the mortons that way. Yeah, maybe,

47:30

you've got plenty. May as well.

47:32

Yeah. Now it seems in my

47:35

notes here that I forgot Jay's

47:37

name for a moment, because I

47:39

wrote, Quirkey holds a dagger. I was surprised

47:41

to see that. I was like, oh, we're going

47:43

our, our, our, not quirky. But the dagger, it's

47:45

like, we're going our cane. He's holding a

47:47

dagger, like, above his head. And I'm thinking,

47:49

like, now that I, I was already poking

47:51

around into some of like the behind the

47:54

scene stuff and I knew that his marriage

47:56

dissolved. Yeah. I'm already, she saw this and

47:58

was like, what is he doing? I didn't

48:00

know you'd be doing that. Yeah. Holding

48:02

a dagger and speaking in tongues. And

48:04

then he stabs the dagger into the

48:07

ground. Yeah. I besiege thee. And then,

48:09

uh... Oh, by the way, I forgot.

48:11

Zach says of this whole thing, Jay

48:13

suggests the ultimate and most dangerous plan

48:16

ever. That's what this is. Yeah, they

48:18

sound like little boys. God damn it.

48:20

So Aaron I think goes, who's there

48:22

underneath the bridge? Yeah. He goes, who's

48:25

responsible for what happened upstairs? I know,

48:27

upstairs. Just because you're standing underneath the

48:29

bridge doesn't mean it's upstairs. It goes

48:31

on top of the bridge. I know.

48:33

And then they have that little SLS

48:36

spirit box. This is going to require

48:38

some explaining. But the SLS spirit box

48:40

that like lets the ghosts influence radio

48:42

signals to use words. And it just

48:45

goes, Steve. There's a whole thing about

48:47

this Steve. Some of the folks that

48:49

they interview at the top of the

48:51

episode go like, we have been here

48:54

and a voice said Steve. Steve is

48:56

the name of the demon, the spirit,

48:58

whatever. And it made me think of

49:00

killer Bob. I wrote the same thing.

49:02

Yeah, from Twin Peaks. Why Steve? I

49:05

don't know. This nondescript name for this

49:07

like huge demonic entity. I don't know.

49:09

A goat man demon. Right. Named Steve.

49:11

Okay. Very strange. But I feel like

49:14

there is something of an explanation somewhere.

49:16

Zach Bagan says like sometimes a demon

49:18

will use a human name to try

49:20

and trick you right or to confuse

49:23

you. Right. So it may be a

49:25

goat man, but it knows you can't

49:27

physically see him because he's like in

49:29

another dimension or whatever invisible, whatever. But.

49:31

It's speaking your language. It's speaking your

49:34

language, but also trying to disarm you

49:36

by being like me? Well, I'm just

49:38

Steve. Why I'm just Steve? Yeah, you

49:40

know Steve. Don't you? Just your little

49:43

bitty buddy Steve? Yeah. And I wonder

49:45

if, because we never necessarily get a

49:47

great answer to Bob in Twin Peace,

49:49

but I wonder if there's something almost

49:52

like similar there. Like it's like, it's

49:54

just Bob? Right. Nothing to worry about,

49:56

just Bob. Yeah. but it's really this

49:58

like ancient evil thing or whatever. Yeah,

50:00

totally. Something else I think about. The

50:03

banality of evil. Yes, by the way,

50:05

everybody, you should be watching Twin Peak

50:07

season two now. Yep. We are going

50:09

to be covering that in the next

50:12

couple of weeks. So if you want

50:14

to be up on it, I suggest

50:16

you start watching. Our March 15th episode

50:18

is going to be the first part

50:21

of Twin Peak season two. Yep up

50:23

to episode 16 of season two. Anyway,

50:25

neither here nor there. Zach all of

50:27

a sudden once again he's still sort

50:30

of on his kick of being like

50:32

against this ritual everybody is by the

50:34

way yeah Bill Tolly is back the

50:36

ghost pimp himself rolls up yeah and

50:38

he's like I don't like this guys

50:41

yeah I think this is a bad

50:43

bad idea yeah and Zach goes hey

50:45

guys I don't think this is a

50:47

good idea anymore he tries to walk

50:50

away uh-huh he starts to walk away

50:52

something's not right we all feel fear

50:54

yeah And then they say that Zach

50:56

is now up on the bridge and

50:59

as he walks over the spot where

51:01

the fire is, the fire like flares

51:03

up and or goes out? Well I

51:05

know, they show it flare up, but

51:07

Aaron says it goes out. And I

51:10

was like, well that's the opposite. I

51:12

don't know what. I don't know if

51:14

it's that it goes out for a

51:16

second and then flares back up, maybe?

51:19

I don't know. It's like being gas

51:21

lit, this whole show, like sometimes you're

51:23

looking at something like, if they just

51:25

say something like, and they just say

51:28

it, and they just say it, like,

51:30

like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

51:32

like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

51:34

like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

51:36

like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

51:39

like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

51:41

like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

51:43

like, like, Really, because I feel like

51:45

I'm looking at an animal. It totally

51:48

looks like fox eyes or something in

51:50

the dark. Like what the hell's going

51:52

on? Yeah, what are you talking about?

51:54

Yeah. So they go up on the

51:57

bridge. That's where shit really starts like

51:59

going. Yes. Totally chaotic and everything starts

52:01

going nuts. So they go up on

52:03

the bridge and something. And he goes

52:05

flying 20 feet. So they keep showing.

52:08

that like his flashlight is in one

52:10

spot and his camera is another 20

52:12

feet away and so they're like you

52:14

were you were thrown by something from

52:17

here to there right and everybody's freaking

52:19

out Aaron's freaking out his shirt is

52:21

torn he says I'm bleeding everywhere dude

52:23

I can feel blood just gushing out

52:26

of me with no blood visible when

52:28

they do show it when they do

52:30

show it yeah you got kind of

52:32

a nasty scratch I don't even remember

52:35

seeing that. I remember seeing his shirt

52:37

torn. But yeah, they show it. They

52:39

like roll up his sleeve and he's

52:41

got like... He's got like a one

52:43

inch scrape on his arm. Okay. And

52:46

the blood is sort of trickling on

52:48

maybe a good inch down the arm.

52:50

I still, all right, I would not

52:52

like that. I feel like gushing out

52:55

of me. A guy's a blood shooting

52:57

out of me, Zach. Help me dad.

52:59

I mean, Zach. So that he's freaking

53:01

out about that. That's a whole thing.

53:04

And they're all kind of like talking

53:06

about that or whatever. And then at

53:08

a certain point, Aaron kind of like

53:10

goes what. What they're saying is, they

53:12

piece together later, Aaron kind of goes

53:15

quiet. And when Aaron goes quiet, Zach

53:17

starts, um, getting like hot. And he's

53:19

like, oh, I can't, I can't breathe.

53:21

I can't breathe. And his hands start

53:24

going to his neck. This is so

53:26

embarrassing. It was... I couldn't believe what

53:28

I was seeing. He... I know I've

53:30

seen this before, but seeing it anew,

53:33

I was like, oh my God. He

53:35

is... He's suffering for his art. This

53:37

is so dorky. It's so embarrassing. Oh

53:39

my God. Unless you think a demon

53:41

is making him do it. And then

53:44

it's really scary? Really brave? For him

53:46

to share this with all of us?

53:48

What a brave boy. And like Jay

53:50

is like trying to like remove his

53:53

hands from his neck? Or whatever he

53:55

is squealing. Yeah, I've never seen his

53:57

face is contorted and stretched. Honestly, maybe

53:59

I believe in demons now because I

54:02

don't think that Zach Bagan's drops the

54:04

veneer of cool guy that

54:06

often. Yeah. And he's like,

54:08

he's like teeth gritted, he's,

54:10

he looks like he's crying

54:13

like a child. Literally like

54:15

a child. Like he's like,

54:17

he's making embarrassing sounds and

54:19

stuff. And it's like, I'm almost

54:21

shocked that even if. Even

54:24

if it's for pardon the phrasing, but

54:26

I'm even shocked that like that he

54:28

would let himself look like that he

54:30

would let himself look like that right

54:32

It's so big and the and he

54:34

has to do it to himself. He's

54:37

strangling himself But also in my

54:39

head. I'm like The same old shit is happening

54:41

again. I can't tell you when we had

54:43

this conversation, but What we just

54:45

saw on this episode alone Mere moments

54:48

ago they're saying that Aaron

54:50

was like thrown 20 feet. His arm

54:52

is scraped up and he does have

54:54

blood on his arm. He's like he

54:56

is hurt. So Zach, because he has

54:59

to be in the spotlight, in my

55:01

head he realizes, well I have no

55:03

choice but for something worse than a

55:05

cut on my arm to happen to

55:07

me. He's got to up the ante.

55:09

And by the way, that's what everyone

55:11

on the Ghost Avengers Reddit is saying.

55:14

Oh, is that right? Everyone was like,

55:16

oh, Zach needed attention. And it has

55:18

to be worse than what happened to

55:20

Aaron. Yeah, has to be. So now

55:23

he's being choked, but he has to

55:25

be choking himself for, I don't know

55:27

why, but crying and screaming and then.

55:30

Jay, because everyone's improvising and yes-ending each

55:32

other, Jay starts trying to pull Zach's

55:34

hands from his own throat, and Zach

55:37

just starts rasseling with Jay, like he

55:39

just starts like grappling his bro, and

55:41

like rolls on top of him, he's

55:44

like grabbing him, and then gets up

55:46

and Hulk walks away, and then... Shocking!

55:48

It was shocking! Even just talking about

55:51

it just like and this happened and

55:53

that really happened I really saw it

55:55

with my real eyes real eyes real

55:57

lies that's right and then the camera

55:59

he like into the darkness of the

56:01

goat man's bridge and they have

56:03

to catch up to him with

56:05

their night vision and he's just

56:08

lying face down on the ground.

56:10

So lying face down on the

56:12

ground with his arms at his

56:14

sides lying face out and just

56:16

face completely flat. Like if you

56:18

just took his body and he

56:20

was just standing up like a

56:22

rural person and you just took

56:24

that and just booped it downward

56:26

onto the ground. Like an action

56:28

figure. Like a little action man

56:30

lying. Why was he doing that?

56:33

physically straight. They do have this

56:35

weird thing because now Aaron, poor

56:37

Aaron is forgotten again. I know.

56:39

Isn't it just the thing, every

56:41

time something happens to Aaron, something

56:43

even bigger happens to Zach. So

56:45

Aaron's forgotten again. Yeah. But Aaron's

56:47

like, my energy just left my

56:49

body. So then they start being

56:51

like... body. They start being like,

56:53

whatever was in you, Aaron, it

56:56

jumped to Zach. Yeah. And then

56:58

if they're piecing it together, if

57:00

they're, because they have to pick

57:02

up, what story are we going

57:04

to tell about what Zach just

57:06

did? Yeah, totally. To make it

57:08

cool for the show or scary?

57:10

Right. So now it's that this

57:12

goat man, I guess, jumped into

57:14

your body and then it leaves

57:16

your body and you're drained. You're

57:18

physically exhausted. push Aaron? Or did

57:21

the goat man go into Aaron's

57:23

body and then leap 20 feet?

57:25

Like throw him, you know what

57:27

I mean? Right, yeah. Because he

57:29

went into Zach's body and strangled

57:31

him with his own hand, with

57:33

his own body. Sure. You know

57:35

what I mean? Yes. So like

57:37

the narrative was that something had

57:39

pushed Aaron from the outside, but

57:41

now I'm wondering if it just

57:43

used his own body to... Yeah.

57:46

And I am wondering how the

57:48

goat man poops. Is the ass

57:50

man or is it goat? If

57:52

it's smart and it can pick

57:54

and choose the parts, it went

57:56

with human butt. I don't know

57:58

how smart that is. I'm

58:01

just saying a goat butt is

58:03

grosser yet, I don't want to

58:05

get into it. Yeah, you're right.

58:07

You don't have to like wipe

58:09

it. Yeah, you don't have to

58:11

wipe a goat. Yeah. Yeah, it's

58:13

not as it's not as nice

58:15

for people who have to see

58:17

it. But like if you're just

58:19

being selfish for yourself. The humans

58:21

are the only animals who wipe.

58:23

Yeah, that's true. I guess you

58:25

would want a goat butt. But

58:27

you're standing whenever they depict the

58:29

goat man. He's like biped. He's

58:31

like biped by petal. God damn

58:33

it. It just have to be

58:35

on your back. I brought this

58:37

up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. But

58:39

I already regret that we're doing

58:41

this again. Okay. All right. So

58:43

anyway, I think of a goat

58:45

though as being kind of aggressive.

58:47

Yeah, right. So I'm thinking of

58:49

like a head butt you. So

58:51

I'm picturing Aaron on the thing

58:53

and then the goat man comes

58:55

like barreling Adam and boom knocks

58:57

him back. Right. But we also

58:59

now have this lore from them

59:01

interviewing. But Tinaina. Oh yeah, I

59:03

think it was Becky? Someone and

59:05

someone. Phoebe and Belinda. Okay. They

59:07

both had experiences with the energy

59:09

here that made them violent. Or

59:11

want, or, and Ashley, or want

59:13

to do violent. Right. It might

59:15

make you want to do violent

59:17

to Zach. Right. So, Aaron is

59:19

almost like an anomaly, but then

59:21

for it to go into Zach,

59:23

the ultimate warrior. Yeah, true. Of

59:25

course, Zach wanted to be violent,

59:27

wanting to do violent, is a

59:29

big threat. That's why he's able

59:31

to pin his bro Jay so

59:33

easily and stomp off into the

59:35

night. I can't think of a

59:37

lie down. A bigger threat to

59:39

national security than an evil demon

59:41

taking over the body of Zach

59:43

pagans and going buck-ass wild. around

59:46

this fair country of ours. Thank

59:48

God it left him. Thank God.

59:50

We didn't have to suffer the

59:52

consequences as a nation. Can you

59:54

imagine? That's why I have a

59:56

go bag. Yeah. Given moment just

59:58

in case Mr. Bacon's. A go

1:00:00

bag? By the way, on screaming

1:00:02

room, Billy announced that he had.

1:00:04

adopted a family of goats. That's

1:00:06

true. Yeah, that's very nice. That

1:00:08

is very nice. I hope he

1:00:10

knows you don't have to wipe

1:00:12

them. Me too. He's out there,

1:00:14

out there in guest. Caring for

1:00:16

them? Yeah. God, it takes forever.

1:00:18

Billy, you don't have to wipe

1:00:20

their asses. Yeah. Now you tell

1:00:22

me. So anyway. The other thing

1:00:24

that we have not mentioned, which

1:00:26

is the other big moment of

1:00:28

violence, is back to Ashley. Right,

1:00:30

yes. Ashley walking alone has something

1:00:32

very strange happen. She's out there

1:00:34

walking in the night and all

1:00:36

of a sudden, and they have

1:00:38

a sound effect with this at

1:00:40

all times. Yeah. They have the

1:00:42

sound effect of something hitting her,

1:00:44

and then she sort of stumbles

1:00:46

and falls. Right. I don't want

1:00:48

to be unkind. I don't know

1:00:50

if you picked up on this

1:00:52

as well. obviously it's a sound

1:00:54

effect because they're really trying to

1:00:56

accentuate that like because they look

1:00:58

at her later they show her

1:01:00

face and she has like some

1:01:02

sort of a red thing right

1:01:04

on her right temple yeah and

1:01:06

it does look like something hit

1:01:08

her or like I don't know

1:01:10

some some sort of like a

1:01:12

physical event happened to her I

1:01:14

don't know if it's necessarily the

1:01:16

thing that knocked her down right

1:01:18

because I don't know if you

1:01:20

picked up on this the red

1:01:22

mark on her face is on

1:01:24

the right and in the footage

1:01:26

she reacts to something, they juice

1:01:28

it with the sound effect, and

1:01:30

she stumbles and falls down toward

1:01:32

the right, implying that something hit

1:01:34

her from the left side. Right.

1:01:36

So those two pieces of footage

1:01:38

do not tell a cohesive story?

1:01:40

Obviously, and Ashley herself has said

1:01:42

this now on her like social

1:01:44

media, she is not active on

1:01:46

social media, PS, but like the

1:01:48

last time was several years ago.

1:01:50

where I think it was two

1:01:52

years beyond this, so 2018-ish, she

1:01:54

posted something about how it's been

1:01:56

a horrible couple of years, that

1:01:58

they always use this phrase. She

1:02:00

has some sort of an attachment.

1:02:02

Yes. From this day, from this

1:02:04

footage, she has had an attachment

1:02:06

that has lingered with her. She

1:02:08

has been suffering and it is

1:02:10

what led to her divorce from

1:02:12

Jay Wozley. And for her to

1:02:14

have, she very clearly, something happened

1:02:16

where she stumbled and fell and

1:02:18

looked authentic to me. But then

1:02:20

they show her face and it's

1:02:22

like on the opposite side of

1:02:24

her head from what I would

1:02:27

have expected. two things maybe occurred

1:02:29

or something I don't know yeah

1:02:31

but it's it is a it's

1:02:33

sad like this is a sad

1:02:35

episode right in that arena I

1:02:37

could watch Zach choke himself all

1:02:39

day and be like what is

1:02:41

going on totally but this Ashley

1:02:43

thing and then in screaming room

1:02:45

I was like oh maybe they

1:02:47

have a sense of humor about

1:02:49

this maybe maybe even though they

1:02:51

got divorced they remained friends or

1:02:53

something because the screaming room episode

1:02:55

is called the X files as

1:02:57

in like your X Right, I

1:02:59

thought those messed up. They call

1:03:01

it like your ex-wife file. So

1:03:03

I was like, oh, maybe they

1:03:05

stayed friendly, maybe she'll appear or

1:03:07

something. And this is just the

1:03:09

episode where his ex is a

1:03:11

story in the episode. But no,

1:03:13

they will, several times in the

1:03:15

screaming room episode, Zach. And it's

1:03:17

screaming room season one, episode three,

1:03:19

somebody's interested. Yeah. And, uh, Zach

1:03:21

says, uh, Jay, did this investigation

1:03:23

have something to do with your

1:03:25

divorce with her? Mm-hmm. It's like,

1:03:27

oh, thank you for asking. Right.

1:03:29

Why thank you for asking Zach?

1:03:31

These are teing that up. I

1:03:33

would love to, uh, get all

1:03:35

of this out there now and

1:03:37

talk about my personal, this is

1:03:39

their personal life. Yeah, totally. In

1:03:41

this episode, more so than any

1:03:43

other thing, like you're actually watching

1:03:45

these real human beings who have

1:03:47

real relationships to each other, and

1:03:49

whether or not you believe in

1:03:51

ghosts. This is the last time

1:03:53

that she was employed by this

1:03:55

show. And they both seem to

1:03:57

say or believe that this was

1:03:59

the beginning of the. of their

1:04:01

marriage. Like that's very heavy and

1:04:03

sad. Totally. I will say I did

1:04:05

get good vibes out of Jay a

1:04:07

bit. Now listen he's the guy that's

1:04:10

got a nice guy. He's the guy

1:04:12

that has the microphone to be able

1:04:14

to say these things. But he says,

1:04:17

Zach again, like no help bro.

1:04:19

Yeah. Because he goes like, did

1:04:21

this have somebody to do with

1:04:24

your divorce? And Jay goes. I

1:04:26

think it ultimately did. After this

1:04:28

investigation, we never really got back

1:04:30

to it. Which I don't know

1:04:32

what that means. I mean, maybe

1:04:34

implying like got back into a

1:04:36

good healthy whatever. And Zach, looking

1:04:38

at more Ashley footage, goes, this was

1:04:40

disturbing. And Jay, I know this is

1:04:42

probably hard for you to watch. Yeah,

1:04:44

so I'm glad that we're doing it.

1:04:46

And Jay goes, yeah, I don't like

1:04:48

watching this one. It was definitely a catalyst

1:04:51

that put things in motion that over

1:04:53

the course of time just never got

1:04:55

any better after this and ultimately it

1:04:57

led to our divorce. And Zach goes,

1:04:59

you okay watching this Jay? Like a half

1:05:02

hour in? Yeah. And Jay goes, I mean,

1:05:04

it's important to watch. It was a terrible

1:05:06

experience. It was a terrible part of my

1:05:08

life for a while. But I don't want to

1:05:10

forget this. And you can learn from these

1:05:12

things. You know, you can learn to better

1:05:14

yourself and you can learn to evolve. I

1:05:17

can at least appreciate, like this was

1:05:19

a horrible event, but it becomes

1:05:21

part of your story, becomes part

1:05:23

of the ongoing evolution of yourself

1:05:25

as a person, whatever. But for

1:05:27

all of these to be teed up

1:05:30

by like, probably, probably, it's

1:05:32

probably, it's probably, it's probably,

1:05:34

it's probably, it's probably, it's both

1:05:36

to look at, right, bro? Yeah, right. Talk more

1:05:38

about it, bro. Yeah, and even the

1:05:40

end of that screen room episode is

1:05:42

all of them being like, oh, oh,

1:05:44

this was brutal, this is tough. It's

1:05:46

a mess. Yeah, totally. And not the

1:05:48

least reason for which, then I'm going

1:05:51

to ask you a question that I've

1:05:53

asked you before. I'm going to ask

1:05:55

it again. What is their goal going

1:05:57

on the investigations? Because...

1:06:00

they cut to commercial at some

1:06:02

point with like a tease of

1:06:04

like Zach choking himself and then

1:06:06

I looked at the runtime and

1:06:08

there were four minutes left in

1:06:10

the episode I was like how

1:06:12

are they going to show this

1:06:14

and and digest it or you

1:06:17

know justify it and then hit

1:06:19

credits and they don't it's basically

1:06:21

them being like I don't want

1:06:23

to be here anymore choking himself

1:06:25

and they go like this place

1:06:27

sure was a sticky wicked for

1:06:29

us yeah and then they just

1:06:31

smashed it I'm like hey if

1:06:34

this is all true you got

1:06:36

the best evidence and then and

1:06:38

then went all right boys pack

1:06:40

it up let's move on to

1:06:42

the next joint like that's pretty

1:06:44

much it is collecting evidence but

1:06:46

if you believe in ghosts you

1:06:48

should very much stay Yeah. After

1:06:51

you have the choking event. Mm-hmm.

1:06:53

Because now you've got like, oh

1:06:55

my God, guys, there's really something

1:06:57

here. Yeah, right. But they just

1:06:59

kind of pack it up. It,

1:07:01

to me, smacked. I don't know,

1:07:03

why would you want to, if

1:07:06

you believe in ghosts and you've

1:07:08

just been choked out, you want

1:07:10

to stay? No, you get the

1:07:12

hell out of there. But what's

1:07:14

your mission? Their their mission look

1:07:16

their mission is to make it

1:07:18

an entertaining TV. I know it

1:07:20

is their mission But they don't

1:07:23

they don't say that their mission

1:07:25

is to go and investigate And

1:07:27

this was sufficient to I think

1:07:29

so Like I'm just saying like

1:07:31

in any other profession You wouldn't

1:07:33

then have, you wouldn't be like,

1:07:35

all right, and back to you

1:07:37

in the studio. You'd be like,

1:07:40

no, no, no, no, no, this

1:07:42

is still happening. Right. These events

1:07:44

are still unfolding right now. This

1:07:46

isn't any other profession. It is

1:07:48

this profession. They run away, is

1:07:50

what I think happens at the

1:07:52

end of this, like cowards. Yes.

1:07:55

Zach gets choked, he cries. Yeah.

1:07:57

He falls asleep on that bridge

1:07:59

on his bridge on his tummy.

1:08:01

from Goatman Bridge. Goatman Bridge, from

1:08:03

what I can see, I think

1:08:05

it defeated them. Well, what would

1:08:07

you have them do? Like, what

1:08:09

do you think? Here, you know.

1:08:12

Because you sort of just said

1:08:14

it, like, there are two versions

1:08:16

of the show. One is, we're

1:08:18

just making a silly show to

1:08:20

be on TV. And it's perfect

1:08:22

for that. Right. But in the

1:08:24

in-world. explanation of what they're doing?

1:08:26

Yeah. It needs some sort of

1:08:29

like, we collected this, we collected

1:08:31

that, we are having this footage

1:08:33

analyzed and we advise everyone to

1:08:35

stay away from Goatman Bridge until

1:08:37

we can be certain of the

1:08:39

energy that is there. But no,

1:08:41

it just concludes it's so abruptly

1:08:44

where it's like it. almost reads

1:08:46

to me like the scariest thing

1:08:48

happened to them and then they're

1:08:50

just like we better get out

1:08:52

of here it is like I

1:08:54

think the ending like voice over

1:08:56

things just kind of like we

1:08:58

go through terrible experiences and we

1:09:01

go through them together like I'm

1:09:03

paraphrasing basically No, they have kind

1:09:05

of abandoned any sort of like

1:09:07

structure to the show. It's really

1:09:09

they just show up. They talk

1:09:11

to people who have who have

1:09:13

been there and they do investigation

1:09:15

and they leave. It always escalates

1:09:18

because it has to to keep

1:09:20

people hooked. Yeah, they crescendos as

1:09:22

if it were a movie with

1:09:24

a third act where you face

1:09:26

off against the ultimate evil. But

1:09:28

they and then once that evil

1:09:30

has occurred and we have seen

1:09:33

it, now it's time to leave.

1:09:35

Yes, but unlike a movie, it's

1:09:37

like you're watching Iron Man. Right.

1:09:39

And then Iron Man, what's his

1:09:41

name? Jeff Probst? Who's the bad

1:09:43

guy in Iron Man? Jeff? Big

1:09:45

Labowski, who's that guy? Oh, Jeff

1:09:47

Bridges? Jeff Bridges? Jeff Bridges? Jeff

1:09:50

Bridges? He's a bad guy in

1:09:52

Iron Man suit. Yeah. and then

1:09:54

they cut to credits. Uh-huh. That's

1:09:56

how ghost adventures ended, a goat

1:09:58

man bridge. Yeah. You know what

1:10:00

I mean? Like, there is no-

1:10:02

Yeah, Tony, even knocked down and

1:10:04

he, like, goes in the corner,

1:10:07

like, to take a breath. Yes,

1:10:09

that's what I mean. That's weird

1:10:11

to me. No, it is. It

1:10:13

just implies that you lost. Yeah,

1:10:15

but it's against a supernatural force

1:10:17

that you can't win against. I

1:10:19

know, but there are any ways,

1:10:22

a number of ways to spin

1:10:24

it. Yes, yes, absolutely. But no,

1:10:26

they just want you to see

1:10:28

a crazy thing. Get out. And

1:10:30

then you've seen the crazy thing,

1:10:32

so we're done. It also just

1:10:34

looks like there's no depth they

1:10:36

won't go to. If nothing's happening,

1:10:39

Zachal choke himself. Totally, totally. How

1:10:41

demoralizing. Oh my God. Oh, what

1:10:43

a delight. Yes. Well, thank you,

1:10:45

Kristen. Thank you, Liz Sauer. Yes,

1:10:47

thank you. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you,

1:10:49

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1:11:13

he's always out there waiting and

1:11:15

watching. You'll see his eyes glowing

1:11:17

in the dark. And then blinking

1:11:19

out. Yeah. But until that time

1:11:21

comes, we must travel. Back to

1:11:23

the netherworld, go away. Peepin through

1:11:25

the woods at us. Peek and

1:11:28

choking himself out there in the

1:11:30

night. Those weird twins who are

1:11:32

talking about me. I'm going to

1:11:34

defeat them in mortal combat. I

1:11:36

feel rage. He would be so

1:11:38

tickled if he knew what we

1:11:40

were doing. I think he would.

1:11:42

He loves watching himself, watching him

1:11:45

watch himself choke himself. Oh yeah,

1:11:47

that was the thing. I think

1:11:49

that he was kind of stifling

1:11:51

a laugh at one point. watching

1:11:53

that. You think

1:11:55

so? Yeah, he

1:11:57

was watching like

1:11:59

this. He was

1:12:02

covering his face. With

1:12:04

his hand. And I his saw just

1:12:06

a flicker across his eyes of

1:12:08

amusement. How can you not

1:12:11

be embarrassed? Totally. totally. How How humiliating. would

1:12:13

You would think. I But I

1:12:15

think that he is this this was

1:12:17

a good performance. It probably goes

1:12:19

down a lot easier when you're

1:12:21

sitting in your, sitting in your... movie theater

1:12:23

your home. Yes, in your house.

1:12:25

Yeah. I've spent years building my

1:12:27

credibility. And then put

1:12:29

all my chips on this

1:12:31

moment. on this moment. Yes.