0:00

He says something, he's like, I

0:02

had a girlfriend who died of a,

0:04

um, he's trying to get sympathy. Is

0:06

he a syndrome? He goes, she had

0:08

a syndrome. Yeah. The camera pans

0:10

over to Natalie, who clocks it

0:13

instantly, that he's full of shit.

0:15

What? Hello,

0:19

welcome to Guides the Unknown.

0:21

I'm Kristen. And I'm her little

0:23

brother William. And this week we

0:26

are talking about the 1998 film

0:28

Urban Legend. Mm-hmm. Yes. Is it

0:30

just urban legend? I thought it

0:32

was urban legends. Off to a

0:34

bad start. Terrible. Maybe it is

0:37

urban legends. I don't know. We

0:39

don't have to worry about that today.

0:41

I thought it was plural. I thought

0:43

it was plural. Okay. My mistake. Well,

0:45

then I'm the fool. I know. How

0:48

embarrassing for you. Look at that. When

0:50

you point a finger, you have three

0:52

fingers pointing right back at you.

0:54

I've never heard that. Oh. Are you

0:56

sure? I feel like that's the phrase.

0:59

It is. Is the sequel urban legends?

1:01

I don't know. We don't have

1:03

to worry about that today. Yeah.

1:05

We don't have to worry about

1:07

that. A scream knockoff? A scream clone?

1:09

Yep. What do you want to call

1:11

it? In video games speak, there are

1:14

video games where it's like, oh

1:16

this this kind of game is called

1:18

a souls like game. There's another

1:20

game called Souls something and all

1:22

the other games that are like

1:24

it. Yeah. They literally say that's

1:26

the genre. It's like a scream-like

1:29

movie. Yes. It's a slasher who

1:31

done it. but instead of the characters

1:33

being obsessed with horror movies, they

1:35

are obsessed with urban legends, so

1:37

much so that each murder is

1:39

according to the events of a

1:41

famous urban legend. Yep. And we've

1:43

covered urban legends so much on

1:45

Guide to the Unknown. We've been trying

1:47

to fairly methodically make our way through

1:50

covering every urban legend in the world.

1:52

Last time we did talk about urban

1:54

legends at all was in episode 374

1:56

of Guide to the Unknown, but we

1:58

decided... Listen. It's fun. It's time

2:01

to look at the movie. Let's

2:03

go back to the source. The

2:05

original urban legend. Yeah. Yeah. Actually,

2:07

you can literally call it the

2:09

original urban legend. I guess you

2:11

can. This is the first urban

2:13

legend, technically. Yeah, I guess that's

2:15

true. 1998. Well, and what's your

2:18

history with urban legend? I really

2:20

like this movie. I don't know

2:22

when I saw it. Yeah. I

2:24

don't know. I have no. When

2:26

you talk about like scream or

2:28

something, I have very concrete recollections.

2:30

of scream coming out, how I

2:32

felt about it, trying to see

2:34

because I was too young, whatever. Urban

2:36

legend. I don't know. I have

2:38

no idea when I saw it.

2:41

I just know that this has

2:43

always been... like a comfort food

2:45

kind of watch. As much as

2:47

a knockoff of Scream as it

2:49

is, the who done it slasher

2:51

thing still works here. I love

2:53

urban legends. I've always loved urban

2:55

legends. And so even if this

2:57

is super duper cloning of Scream,

2:59

I was like, this is perfect.

3:01

Totally. Like people are talking about

3:03

urban legends all day, every day

3:05

in this world, just like me

3:08

in real life. And then you

3:10

get to see the like worst

3:12

case scenario of like what if

3:14

the urban legends actually did kill

3:16

you? It's great. Yeah, it's great.

3:18

Having said that, it's also pretty

3:21

bad. Yes, absolutely. All right, just me.

3:23

Of course. Yeah, there's a lot that was

3:25

like, well, why is this in here? Oh,

3:27

totally. The Stanley Hall massacre? Why is

3:29

that even in there? There are several

3:32

things that it's a waste of time.

3:34

It's a waste of time. But. I love

3:36

it. I mean, my history with it

3:38

is almost identical to yours, except that

3:40

I saw it in theater, so I

3:42

know that that's the first time. Really? You

3:44

were 15. Yeah. Wow, okay. And I loved

3:46

it then. I loved it then. I loved

3:48

it then. I love it now. I think

3:51

it's such a fun movie. And I re-watched

3:53

it, like, pretty recently, actually. So when I

3:55

was watching it this time. I was like,

3:57

I feel like I just watched this. Oh.

4:00

I find it a very fun

4:02

movie. A few years back. I think

4:04

Screambox. No, not Screambox. Scream Factory.

4:06

Scream Factory. Scream Factory put out

4:08

a Blu-ray of Urban Legend 1

4:10

and 2 and I snapped them

4:12

up at the time. So I

4:14

watched that copy and there's like

4:16

a commentary truck which I watched

4:18

part of and stuff. But I

4:20

think I saw it a handful

4:23

of years ago too. I think

4:25

I watched it within a year.

4:27

Wow. Wow. Like I felt like I just

4:29

watched it. Yeah, and I had it. I

4:31

think it's been no more than a

4:33

year and a half since I've watched

4:35

it. Well, the cast is stacked. Stacked?

4:38

Well, did you watch the

4:40

commentary track that's unofficial on YouTube

4:42

from the account Pizzo Wall? Pizzo Wall.

4:44

That's what it is. No, I did

4:47

not. I did. You did? Yeah, I

4:49

watched it when it came out.

4:51

But I think during COVID. It's

4:53

light on cast, heavy on producers

4:55

and stuff. It's an okay commentary.

4:57

Oh, is it like an official

4:59

people affiliated with the movie commentary?

5:02

Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah,

5:04

I remember it was like an event

5:06

back then. Oh, and I think I

5:08

had to pay for it. I don't

5:10

really remember, but it's now free. $400.

5:12

It's now on YouTube for free. Okay.

5:14

And I started to watch it. Got a

5:16

little bored and clicked around a little

5:18

bit. Sure. No one can do

5:21

commentaries quite as well as we

5:23

do. Obviously. Patreon.com. Yes. Yes. But that

5:25

is out there, by the way. You

5:27

can watch. The only cast members in

5:29

it are Michael Rosenbaum and Tara Reed.

5:31

Oh, that's horrible. Hell's surprised. That

5:33

sounds terrible. Not to preview

5:36

my feelings. That sounds insufferable.

5:38

The rest of them. And

5:40

then there are like a lot

5:42

of behind the scenes people. It's like

5:44

six behind the scenes people and

5:46

then Terry and Michael Rosenbaum. Okay.

5:48

It's, you know, the cast of

5:50

Blair Witch 2016 did the same thing.

5:52

They have a commentary that's just on YouTube

5:55

as well. Yeah. I like that kind of

5:57

thing. No, I do too. All right. Well,

5:59

listen. We're going to get into the

6:01

movie. You want to just, spoiler

6:04

free recommends? Oh, yeah, I mean,

6:06

I think it's great. I know.

6:08

You've got the bare premise. If

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you have not seen Urban Legend,

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we both recommend it. Go watch it.

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I think, I think we should just

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looking vibrant. Absolutely. It's all

7:44

that Noxima. The fourth wall

7:46

breaking gags in this movie,

7:48

they're only a couple. But they're

7:50

both very obtrusive. Yes. When they,

7:53

when they, when they, I remember

7:55

being a huge laugh in the theater

7:57

when, um, the, the, Dosses Creek song.

7:59

Yeah, Joshua Jackson who plays Pacey in

8:02

Dawson's Creek is one of the like

8:04

core friend group in this movie and

8:06

he's trying to mac on the main

8:09

girl Natalie. Yeah. He turns on the

8:11

radio and it's I don't want to

8:13

wait. Yeah, he's like, oh, this thing.

8:15

Oh, punch the radio. Yeah, huge laugh.

8:18

Yeah. I was sitting at home. I

8:20

just started guffawing popcorn flying out of

8:22

my mouth. I have a movie-grade

8:24

popcorn machine. The other one

8:27

being that at the tail

8:29

end of the movie, they

8:31

make a joke about the

8:33

killer being the Noxima,

8:35

the girl from the Noxima

8:38

commercials, which in real life

8:40

was... Rebecca Gayhart was in

8:43

Foxima commercials in the 90s and

8:45

she plays the killer in this movie.

8:47

Yes. Which is fun. I actually think

8:49

that really works because that is very

8:51

an urban legendy thing. This person in

8:53

this obscure commercial. Sure. Something terrible happened

8:56

to or with them or whatever. That's true.

8:58

You know, this movie is stuffed with more

9:00

urban legends than I have, well. I can't

9:02

oversell it because I picked up on one.

9:05

I found an urban legend in this movie

9:07

that no one seems to have called out

9:09

online. Oh, what? Yeah. It's just like, it's

9:11

stuffed to the rafters with urban legends. So

9:14

the entire, the entire premise of the movie

9:16

is very screamed too. Characters at college are

9:18

being hounded by a serial killer. But each

9:20

one of their deaths is like, you know,

9:23

mixing pop rocks with soda would make

9:25

your stomach exploding in an urban legend

9:27

in an urban legend and in the

9:29

movie. Yeah they mix pop rocks with like some

9:31

sort of poison. Yeah it was like a

9:33

drain cleaner or something like that which even as

9:35

a kid I was like well that's not that's

9:37

not the urban legend then if you're just changing

9:40

one of the ingredients. Well no but

9:42

how else are you gonna kill them? I know

9:44

but even still characters are just like in a

9:46

screen movie where they're like calling each other you

9:48

know what's Leatherface doing here? You know,

9:50

they're just like throwing out horror references.

9:53

Yeah, totally. Yes. In this movie, Terror

9:55

Reed runs a radio station and there

9:57

are like sex urban legends of... I

10:00

had to get my stomach pumped

10:02

hard and hard hard and like

10:04

switched baby aspirin for birth

10:06

control pills. Yes. Well, there's

10:08

one urban legend that's in

10:10

the movie. I think it's

10:12

intentional. I guess I couldn't

10:14

say for certain, but it jumped out

10:17

to me because of doing sound

10:19

design. Yeah. When our final girl is

10:21

Natalie. played by Alicia Witt. And she's

10:23

going out on like a drive with

10:25

Pacey from Dawson's Creek. And they're gonna

10:27

park together a little bit. He's gonna

10:29

try to make the moves and then

10:32

he goes out to P. When he

10:34

goes out to P, you hear just

10:36

woodland sounds because they're in the middle

10:38

of nowhere. So you hear like sticks

10:40

breaking a little bit and stuff. And

10:42

then you hear an animal going. Like

10:45

if you go back and listen,

10:47

it's like a very distinctive human-esque

10:49

bark sound Yeah, which I very

10:52

specifically know because that is the

10:54

sound of a red fox And

10:56

I in editing the Blair witch

10:58

Podcasts for the hunter-killer game I

11:01

scripted a thing where they talk

11:03

about animals that sound like

11:05

humans and I had to find

11:08

and license Animal sounds from

11:10

like the Cornell University yada

11:12

yada yada yada, and it's

11:14

If not the identical Red Fox sound? Uh-huh.

11:16

Just, I mean, maybe they all sound

11:18

identical to each other. But the urban

11:20

legend there, it's not so much an

11:23

urban legend as a misnomer, but... Yeah.

11:25

There are some animals whose screams sound

11:27

like humans, and so it's believed that...

11:29

some early ghost stories about fears in

11:32

the woods might have been people misunderstanding

11:34

that oh no no no sometimes some

11:36

animals a barn owls another one yeah

11:39

sometimes those animals just sound like a

11:41

woman screaming yeah and I don't think

11:43

it's a mistake that the that the

11:46

team in editing yeah picked of sound

11:48

that distinctly has like an urban legend

11:50

quality to it yeah that's cool you

11:53

know what I mean like I really

11:55

sort of am impressed by this movie

11:57

for beginning to end dealing

11:59

in. Miss Communication and Urban

12:01

Legends and stuff. And I

12:04

haven't seen anyone online talk

12:06

about the sound of a

12:08

Red Fox. Yeah. But it's

12:10

very distinctly in there. Yeah,

12:13

that's cool. Good catch. Thank

12:15

you. Yeah. Yeah. From the beginning.

12:17

Yeah. Great opening. Oh my God.

12:19

Get out of here. It really is.

12:21

Classic, wait, there's a, you know,

12:24

there's a killer in the back

12:26

of your car kind of thing

12:28

with Brad Doref. Yes. As a

12:30

gas station attendant who is trying

12:32

to warn Natasha Gregson Wagner

12:34

that there's a killer. Gregson

12:36

Wagner. Yeah. Wow, that's right. Who is

12:38

she? She's an actress. She was in

12:40

a lot of stuff in the 90s.

12:42

Okay. I'm sure she's still about

12:44

and working. I wasn't familiar with

12:47

her. There was... I wrote down the

12:49

first thing I wrote about the

12:51

movie in talking about the cold

12:53

open. I just wrote down like

12:56

cut this gag singing shit.

12:58

The first like two minutes

13:00

of the movie. Yeah. The

13:02

first thing they hit you

13:04

with is Natasha Gregson Wagner.

13:06

Yeah. Singing and it's so

13:08

funny that she can't sing

13:10

on key. Yeah. It's like

13:12

two minutes of that joke

13:14

before she finally gets to

13:16

the gas, like literally just,

13:18

how about you open the

13:20

movie on the car pulling up

13:23

to the gas station? Totally.

13:25

Cut that shit. Who needs

13:27

it? But then Brad Doref.

13:29

And I didn't realize that

13:32

he's uncredited in the movie.

13:34

Which I also, he's... Very

13:36

famously he was in one flu over

13:38

the cuckoo's nest Kind of famously.

13:40

I did not remember that whatsoever

13:43

Oh, sure until I was doing

13:45

research. I was like oh, I've actually

13:47

only seen that once Yeah, probably seen

13:49

it maybe a couple of times. Yeah,

13:51

but yeah his character Billy something Billy

13:54

ribbon Billy Bibbit Billy Bibbit. Yeah, he

13:56

has a stutter in that movie and

13:58

so in this when Not Natalie, Michelle

14:01

is the character. She won't roll

14:03

down her window to get him to fill

14:05

out the gas, she just puts her credit

14:07

card through the top of it. And

14:09

he's stuttering, trying to be like, how

14:11

do you want me to fill it,

14:13

whatever? And she then turns around, she

14:15

goes, freak show. And I kind of was like,

14:18

I know that like it's a thing

14:20

that slasher movies that you're not

14:22

that sometimes the characters like sin

14:24

quote unquote to be justified of.

14:26

like on some level you're like

14:28

oh well they were bad totally

14:30

they deserved it they deserved it

14:32

some way but I have to

14:34

say I had a more visceral

14:37

reaction just like who the hell

14:39

do you think you are totally

14:41

what's your problem there's something freak

14:43

show about this guy I

14:45

know it's raining it's scary

14:47

that it's raining at this gas

14:49

station it's you know it's You

14:51

don't need to freak show him. I thought

14:54

that was... I did... No, I was completely

14:56

angry. I was like, get out of there.

14:58

I was almost surprised by my reaction to

15:01

it more than anything. I hate stuff like

15:03

that. But then he's looking at her car

15:05

and runs inside to run her car and

15:07

comes back on and goes, is there something

15:10

wrong with your credit card? You've got to

15:12

come in? Yeah. and so she sort of

15:14

like reluctantly gets out of the car and

15:16

then there's like there's a reason why he

15:19

has the stutter right which is you can't

15:21

have him be able to quickly say yeah

15:23

there's a killer in your backseat he has

15:26

to be struggling to say that and

15:28

as she gets freaked out because he says

15:30

like oh he goes like I'm on the phone

15:32

with the credit card company they want to

15:34

talk to you and then when she comes

15:36

in the phone is not connected to anything.

15:38

And it is all suspicious. So that's suspicious.

15:41

He's acting weird. He can't get it out

15:43

and he's kind of grabbing at her. Not

15:45

good. Because the tension's rising so he's struggling

15:47

to communicate. Yeah yeah yeah. And then finally

15:49

she runs away and gets in the car

15:51

and drives off and then you get what

15:53

I think is almost if anything is iconic

15:55

from this movie, I feel like it's this.

15:58

I don't think I would agree with that. But

16:00

it is awesome. Really? I think people

16:02

know this. There's someone in the back seat!

16:04

It's great. Screaming. And then you cut

16:06

to the car and the killer is in

16:08

the back seat with an axe. Yep.

16:10

And then boom, swipe. Takes her head right

16:13

off. Although you don't see it. They're

16:15

very specific about saying that you don't see

16:17

a lot of the gore. Yep. Whatever.

16:19

Which is kind of surprising for 1998. Yeah.

16:21

Yeah. You really don't. It's not like a

16:23

gross movie. A gross movie. What an

16:26

opener. And also on this watch, probably

16:28

because I'm watching it to talk about

16:30

the show, I realize that even just

16:32

the opening title card is hearkening back

16:34

to the very end where, what is

16:37

her name, Brenda ends up, the killer.

16:39

Because it's just the river that's by

16:41

the college with tons of rain pouring

16:43

down on it, and that's where the

16:46

killer Brenda ends up. That's right. Yeah,

16:48

very fun. Like a bookending ending

16:50

kind of quality. I looked into

16:52

the director and writer and writer.

16:54

a little bit. It was written

16:56

by Silvio Orta who would go

16:58

on to, I don't think he technically

17:00

created it, but he brought Ugly

17:03

Betty over here and ran that

17:05

show. Yeah. But the director Jamie

17:07

Blanks had been in the

17:09

running to direct Scream until

17:12

West Craven got it and

17:14

had directed a short film

17:16

that I actually watched called

17:18

Silent Number. which is like an

17:20

urban legend. Can I can I

17:23

tell and spoil silent number for

17:25

you? It was very enjoyable. Yeah.

17:27

A babysitter is by herself in

17:29

a house. And the phone starts ringing

17:31

and she picks up the phone and

17:33

there's the voice of a little boy

17:36

who's saying I need your help. My

17:38

dad trapped me. I'm trapped in a

17:40

box I can't get out. She's like,

17:42

what? It's like pouring rain outside. The

17:45

phone keeps ringing. If anything, it goes

17:47

on too long for how simple

17:49

the premises. There are just multiple,

17:51

multiple phone calls. But finally there's

17:54

a knock at the door and

17:56

there's a man who's like, I got into

17:58

a car accident off. the road

18:00

and I need to use your phone

18:02

and then she notices that his hands

18:04

are covered in blood and she you

18:07

know slams the door shut in his

18:09

face whatever and then calls the cops

18:11

they say they're gonna trace the number

18:13

the next time the kid calls he

18:15

does call and then the the twist

18:17

ending is twofold one the cop calls

18:19

back and goes it's the durnest

18:21

thing we trace the call but there's

18:24

no number no one's calling It's

18:26

a silent number a silent number,

18:28

but then the actual way

18:30

the movie ends is showing

18:32

that car accident that the

18:34

bloody hands man had gotten

18:36

into had knocked over a telephone

18:39

pole and The telephone wire is

18:41

dangling into a graveyard and it's

18:43

just grazing the top of the

18:45

grave of that boy So his

18:47

ghost was calling her or Some

18:50

spiritual mumbo-jumbo, but that's why he's

18:52

trapped in a box. Because he's

18:54

buried in a coffin. Yeah, yeah.

18:56

That sounds like an urban legend.

18:59

Yeah, that's amazing. I really kind

19:01

of enjoyed it. It's the kind

19:03

of thing that no one would

19:05

come across. Yeah, naturally, like some

19:07

old student short film. Yeah. But

19:09

I really liked it. And I

19:12

like the lineage thing too, that

19:14

he almost got scream, that he

19:16

almost got scream. I know what

19:18

you did last summer and then finally

19:20

they promised him something and bam he

19:22

got urban legend yeah which is like

19:24

I guess the third run like I

19:26

know what you did last summer is

19:28

already the screamed clone yes I do

19:30

think this is probably the next one it's

19:33

the next one I would say that this

19:35

is better than I know what you did last

19:37

summer though I what do I like more I

19:39

know this is tricky for you I know because

19:42

I love both of those movies Chris's choice I

19:44

know this is Chris's choice chart what to

19:46

I like better I don't know. It's hard

19:48

because I just watched this. Bear in mind

19:50

I know what you did last summer

19:53

sucks. No, I disagree heartily and

19:55

you know that. You know the trailers do any

19:57

minute now for the new one, right? I know.

19:59

I know I didn't see the poster. Yeah,

20:01

just a hook. No, that makes sense. Yeah,

20:03

I don't know in this moment because

20:06

I just watched it. It's urban

20:08

legend, but hard to say if I watched

20:10

if I watched I know what you did

20:12

last summer tonight. I might say it's I

20:14

know what you did last summer. Yeah, so

20:16

I'm not sure. In the beginning, so after

20:19

that opening, I thought it was funny. There

20:21

are they don't keep this up, which is

20:23

good. There are multiple little jumps

20:25

gearscures in a. they're talking to

20:27

each other, and then Brenda and

20:29

Natalie go and do Bloody Mary

20:31

weirdly just in front of like

20:33

a bunch of like drywall stuff.

20:35

Yeah, I was like, what are

20:37

you doing? I actually rewound because I

20:40

was like, I guess I've just always taken this

20:42

for granted again. when you're just watching it normally

20:44

to let it wash over you I was watching

20:46

it for the show so I was like I

20:48

need to understand what's going on here I was

20:51

like wait why are they doing this here this

20:53

this is not what bloody area is

20:55

boarded up buildings entrance right and there

20:57

is just no explanation for it

21:00

but anyway um After that, what

21:02

is the first one? Oh, the

21:04

first one is that Joshua Jackson

21:06

scares them, Damon, and there's

21:08

a sting like, oh yeah.

21:10

And then Natalie goes into

21:12

her building, like her dorm

21:15

room, and there's a

21:17

scary gender, it's another,

21:19

and I was like, this is

21:21

weird. Why is this happening?

21:23

But it doesn't keep up

21:26

the pace. Interesting. Yeah, I

21:28

don't know. Huh, that's funny.

21:30

What do you think of

21:32

our cast of characters? It's weird.

21:34

Can we go like person by

21:37

person? Yeah. Alicia Witt as Natalie,

21:39

who is the sort of

21:41

heroine of the movie Final

21:43

Girl. I know, I saw, I looked into

21:45

her a little bit and saw

21:47

that she was one of the

21:50

Hayward sisters, I think, in Twin

21:52

Peaks, Donna's sister. Yep. And she

21:54

was in David Lynch's doom. which

21:57

like having like a David Lynch

21:59

background. should immediately make me really

22:01

like you. I don't think she

22:03

has a ton to work with.

22:05

I'm gonna be honest, I've never

22:07

loved Alicia Witt. Okay. I don't

22:09

hate, but I'm, I'm, Alicia Witt

22:12

neutral to slight negative. And I don't

22:14

totally know why. Interesting, yeah, I

22:16

just didn't get like a ton

22:18

of characters. Yeah, just kind

22:20

of, yeah. I don't really

22:23

know. Um, they, some people

22:25

who they offered the role

22:27

to before her were Reese

22:29

Witherspoon, Jennifer Love Hewitt,

22:31

and Melissa Joan Hart.

22:34

Oh, God. I know. I

22:36

guess Reese Witherspoon. Totally, I

22:39

agree. But I have to

22:41

say, I think this is

22:44

beneath Reese Witherspoon. Oh, it

22:46

is. So I'm not surprised

22:49

at all. Melissa, played Clarissa?

22:51

That must have caused a ton

22:53

of confusion. Kind of, yeah, it is

22:56

weird. That is kind of strange. Why

22:58

not just have it be like a

23:00

Roseanne situation? Exactly.

23:02

Exactly, it's so close enough.

23:04

Yeah, that is strange. Anyway, okay,

23:07

who do I go? Let's stick

23:09

on Joshua Jackson, because we've talked

23:11

about him already. I love Joshua

23:13

Jackson. I love him. Yesterday, today, tomorrow.

23:16

I'm a pacey girl through and through.

23:18

That dude is hot. Yes. Yes. Yes.

23:20

Yeah, Pacey? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Have

23:22

you seen him today? No. Yeah. I know

23:24

he played Doctor Death, right? The

23:26

podcast movie? Yes. Podcast show? Now

23:29

he's on a show called Doctor

23:31

Odyssey, which I haven't seen. I

23:33

guess he's a doctor's. Doctor's guy.

23:35

Yeah, he's a doctor. Can't wait to

23:37

see his doctor Doolittle. He's a

23:39

doctor on a... They should have

23:41

called him Doctor Doolittle in this

23:43

movie, because he sure he sure isn't

23:46

isn't ended in it was an end

23:48

it very much. The

23:51

well, I'll just I'll just say the

23:54

I don't ever should say the word

23:56

about on the gossip scene is

23:58

that he is doctored doing it

24:00

a lot. And he's like he's good

24:02

at it. Got an addiction? Doctor

24:04

doing the most. The Egyptian lover?

24:07

He's a freak a holic. Yeah

24:09

I think he's a freak a

24:11

holic. You guys are freak a

24:13

holic anonymous? No he's not he's

24:15

not even bothering. That foggy room

24:17

with those bullets? I don't even

24:19

know what we're talking about. Look

24:21

at the Egyptian lover freak a

24:24

h. Oh my god. It's incredible.

24:26

But anyway, even just as an

24:28

actor and everything, no, I really like Joshua

24:30

Jackson. I think he's great. Okay, yeah, I

24:32

like him quite a bit. Yeah, I wish

24:34

he was in this movie more. I do

24:36

too. I wish that he and Michael Rosenbaum

24:39

were swapped. Wow. What an idea?

24:41

Because I could take less Michael

24:43

Rosenbaum in this movie. Yeah. What

24:46

an idea. That's a great idea.

24:48

Yeah, I wish they were swapped

24:50

as well. Yeah. They both occupy

24:52

the same occupy the same, silly

24:54

guy role role role. Mm-hmm. I

24:57

would even say why not have

24:59

Damon be both of those things?

25:01

We're just gonna eliminate one of

25:03

the rolls. Yeah, there's really no

25:05

need for both. Get rid of

25:08

Michael Rosenbaum, whatever you do. Yeah,

25:10

whatever needs to happen.

25:12

I don't want to be

25:14

too cruel. I think I

25:16

would have said I like

25:18

Michael Rosenbaum. I don't hate him.

25:20

I don't hate him. He does like,

25:23

he does this like bad ass kind

25:25

of tough guy face when he

25:27

falsetto's Mikey likes it in class

25:29

because they're talking about pop rocks

25:32

and soda and part of the

25:34

urban legend was that Mikey from

25:36

the life serial commercials died for

25:38

pop rocks and soda so he

25:40

improved Mikey likes it in that

25:43

high high voice but his dead

25:45

eyes and his entire comedy persona

25:47

in this movie he's like oh

25:49

he's like Ryan Reynolds on like

25:51

Crank. I agree. I would say, I think

25:54

he's like Ryan Reynolds

25:56

on something that dials you

25:58

down. He's not... Well, I'm thinking

26:01

about Ryan Reynolds. I thought he

26:03

made Ryan Reynolds look subdued compared to

26:05

how much he's mugging in this movie.

26:08

Michael Rosenbaum. No way. No, he's doing

26:10

it way less. Well, we're gonna have

26:12

to find a way to do some

26:14

sort of an annoying off between these

26:17

two guys. It was like they were

26:19

roommates with Van Wilder and he had

26:21

just gone to a kegger. No. It

26:23

was terrible. I would say there are

26:26

shades of it, but he's nowhere

26:28

near, like that manicic. It was

26:30

atrocious. Oh, I don't agree. He

26:32

was annoying, but I found him benignly

26:34

annoying. You can just kind of

26:36

like blow him off. I found

26:38

him super annoying. Yeah, I could have used

26:40

a lot less of him. Yes, certainly.

26:43

Certainly. And I like him. He was

26:45

on Smallville as Lex Luthor. Yeah. And

26:47

he was great on that show. He

26:49

had like this level of like menace

26:51

and control as that character and like

26:54

it was outs. Danding! Yeah. And it

26:56

made me want to be a big

26:58

fan of his. I know he has

27:00

a very popular podcast. It made me

27:02

want to be a better man. I...

27:04

I know he's got that podcast where

27:07

he talks about the industry a lot.

27:09

And it's really just this one role,

27:11

but boy did I really struggle

27:13

with it. Yeah, really. No, I

27:15

did do. He's very annoying. Rebecca

27:17

Gayhart, I thought was great. She

27:19

was so good. At the end, she

27:21

was selling it like gangbusters.

27:24

Yes, there's a quality in her

27:26

killer reveal that goes too big

27:28

at times. Yeah, but I think for

27:31

this movie it kind of fits. It's

27:33

good, but it's also kind of bad.

27:35

Yes. So I thought for what this

27:37

is, like it's fun, what she's doing.

27:39

And she knew how to use her

27:41

eyes? I know. Those ohos. The whole

27:43

guacamole. Yep. Baby blues, like sparkling out

27:46

of her skull as she like stares

27:48

daggers through Natalie. Yeah. And is talking

27:50

about how she's gonna kill Natalie by

27:52

the end doing the kidney heist, which

27:54

is you know, you wake up in

27:56

a bathtub full of ice and you

27:58

don't have a kidney. I found that

28:00

part to be the most brutal

28:03

part actually when she's stabbing to

28:05

Natalie's tongue. Slow cutting. Yeah. I was

28:07

like, and I love the line. And

28:09

again, it was like her delivery that

28:11

like especially sold it where she's like,

28:14

is this where the kidney is? I

28:16

was never much good in biology. You

28:18

know what? The first organizing, I'm just

28:20

going to start pulling. Yeah. And like,

28:23

that's awesome. Like that's a great killer

28:25

line. To just be, yeah, I'm just

28:27

going to grab it. And even in

28:29

the elements that she doesn't understand, she

28:31

still is like, I'm just going to

28:34

own that, I'll just grab whatever's

28:36

in there. I'm going to adhere to

28:38

stuff as much as I can, but sometimes

28:40

I'm going to have to veer off course.

28:42

It's just a given. Very enjoyable.

28:45

Yeah. Very, very wonderful. And the outstanding

28:47

way this movie ends with you know,

28:49

you do, you do, you do at

28:51

least two different kind of climaxes

28:53

with her, the reveal. She gets shot

28:55

and falls out of window and you think

28:58

she's gone but then she comes back in

29:00

the car. Yep. and then she ends

29:02

up flying through the windshield into the

29:04

water. Yeah, the most shallow river in the

29:06

entire world. I was like, what is this?

29:08

It looked like it was just, she fell

29:10

on a driveway that had like a bunch

29:12

of rainwater on it. And then I could see

29:14

that there was like a branch and some rocks

29:16

a little bit above and I was like, oh,

29:19

okay, so that is a river. What the hell

29:21

is this? And then they were like, and she

29:23

washed away. I was like, I was like, how. How?

29:25

No. Yeah. But then they fade to

29:27

black and fade in a year

29:29

later or whatever. A new school.

29:31

Yeah, it was dressed insane. Like

29:33

the, yeah, exactly the most 90s

29:35

cast of characters ever. And basically

29:37

another one of those old men

29:40

teenagers, like from language two. This

29:42

guy was an accountant, but somehow

29:44

he was a college student. It's

29:46

crazy. It's too old to be

29:48

playing a college student. They're like,

29:50

they say that she was never

29:52

found. Right. And then. a person

29:54

off screen goes, that's not how

29:56

it happened at all. Here's how

29:58

it really goes. Yeah. camera pans

30:00

around and it's Rebecca gay heart.

30:02

It's still out there. She rolled

30:04

at a new college and she's

30:06

going to tell the urban legend

30:09

correctly. Yes. That is what a

30:11

great fun twist finale that she's

30:13

like still out there. I know.

30:15

Is she going to keep killing?

30:17

Doesn't matter. I mean she stops

30:19

existing after the credits are all

30:21

kind of. Yeah. But wonderful. I know.

30:23

A wonderful conclusion to this movie.

30:25

It's great. Now Jared Ledo. What

30:28

do you think of him? I would

30:30

have said, I like this guy

30:32

in this movie. If I didn't

30:34

know more about Jared Leto,

30:36

I'd be like, oh, this guy's

30:39

great. Yeah, totally. I know. I

30:41

mean, he was great. He was another one. I had a

30:43

huge crush on in the 90s. His performance is totally like

30:45

middle of the road, totally acceptable. He doesn't really pop as

30:47

like awesome. He's not a fun character. His character isn't supposed

30:49

to be that way. Do you know there's like some weird?

30:51

I didn't, I didn't drill into this. Maybe I should have,

30:54

but evidently he has disowned this movie. Yes. You know about

30:56

this? Yes. But no one knows why. Yes. But no one

30:58

knows why. But no one knows why. But no one knows

31:00

why. But no one knows why. Yes. But no one knows

31:02

why. Yes. But no one knows why. But no one knows

31:05

why. But no one knows. Yes. But no one knows. But

31:07

no one knows. But no one knows. But no one knows. I've

31:09

never heard of that. I've never heard of that

31:11

movie. Yeah. Like maybe you should say that you

31:13

were in this, because you know you were the

31:15

joker, right? And it sucked? Right. And you

31:17

offered Batman to reach around? Do you know

31:20

about this? I don't remember that. I was

31:22

wondering if you'd know if this is.

31:24

Is that in the Snyder cut? Yeah, in the

31:26

end of the Snyder cut. I don't remember.

31:28

the Snyder cut and I'm currently listening

31:30

to that how did this get made

31:32

blank check crossover about the Snyder cut

31:34

so it's funny this comes up wonderful I

31:36

don't remember this yes at the end of

31:39

the Snyder cut they shot a whole new

31:41

scene that takes place in essentially like a

31:43

post apocalypse and Batman and Joker have to

31:45

work together yeah and Joker says yadi

31:47

yada oh I guess I do kind of

31:49

remember this how about a reach around okay

31:52

yeah and then Batman says one of the

31:54

most embarrassing lines one of the most embarrassing

31:56

lines anyone has ever said he goes He

31:58

goes when I kill you and

32:00

make no mistake I will fucking

32:03

kill you yeah when I kill

32:05

you blah blah blah blah blah

32:07

blah blah blah and it's for

32:09

make no mistake that it's so

32:11

cheesy yeah horrible Jared Lotto's

32:14

So obnoxious as a human being and has

32:16

been in some of the worst things ever for

32:18

him to disown urban legend He should be so

32:20

lucky. I would say border. I don't know if

32:22

I call it class but people like it. You

32:24

know what I mean? Like this fun movie. Maybe

32:27

he had some shit experience I mean that

32:29

the real thing is probably something like that.

32:31

Yeah. Well, I don't know if you had

32:33

a shit experience. You still don't need to

32:35

in an interview be like what movie?

32:37

What's that up? What's that

32:39

up? And confuse everyone here.

32:41

Mega 64 has an outstanding,

32:43

this is almost like my

32:45

rotation of re-watching stuff, Mega

32:48

64 did an outstanding series

32:50

of segments on their podcast. called

32:52

Joker update. And it was documenting

32:54

the myriad ways that Jared Leto

32:56

teased his role as the Joker

32:59

in suicide squad. And there were

33:01

all these stories in the press

33:03

about him sending condoms to his

33:05

castmates and sending a dead pig.

33:07

Yeah, dead rats and stuff. And

33:10

they're like, what? Great. Oh, yeah, yeah.

33:12

Remember that my favorite Batman comic is

33:14

the one where Joker puts dead rats

33:17

in the mail. How is this helping

33:19

you become the Joker? Here's the

33:21

thing, I had to do

33:23

this because I'm an actor.

33:25

I had to, right, yeah.

33:27

It's so embarrassing, but Mega

33:30

64 documented it extensively, exhaustively,

33:32

there's a playlist on YouTube,

33:34

highly recommend, but all of

33:36

that exterior stuff makes me

33:39

not like Jared Leto. So even

33:41

watching this movie, I'm almost shocked

33:43

when I'm like, oh, I like him.

33:45

Yeah. No, he is a technically good

33:47

actor. Okay. Is the thing. I've seen

33:50

him in other things. He's got the

33:52

goods. What are the movies have

33:54

you seen them in? Oh, I don't know.

33:56

Let me think. Um. Fight club? Yes, I

33:58

have seen fight club. I don't know.

34:00

You know, he just wanted to break something

34:02

beautiful. Oh God. Something so beautiful, Jared Luddo.

34:05

Oh God. I don't know, I was first

34:07

introduced to him in my so-called life, which

34:09

I re-watched and thought he was great in.

34:11

He was in like a thriller a few

34:13

years ago that I thought he was a

34:15

pretty good, I don't know, he's a good

34:17

actor is a thing. But he seems like a

34:19

very obnoxious dude. Very. If not sinister,

34:21

I've also heard things on the gossip

34:23

circuit about him that are not good about

34:26

him that are not good about him that

34:28

are not good about him that are not

34:30

good. Yes, I know. Doesn't, yeah, doesn't Jared

34:32

Leto have like an island and makes

34:34

everyone wear robes and stuff? Yeah, which

34:36

is, you know, supposed to be kind

34:38

of jokey, but it is also real

34:40

and I don't know. It's bizarre. Yeah,

34:42

it's weird. Terror read. Terror read? I think

34:44

she's great in this. I thought she was

34:47

great in this. Yeah, she's great. She's fun.

34:49

Super fun Bubbly interesting yep, her death is like sad because I like her

34:51

so much I think it's a great It's one of the best death scenes

34:53

in this I agree I have a little confusion over the why of it

34:55

all is that an urban legend? How does she how she dies? Well, that's

34:57

a great no one seems to be acknowledging this either Yeah, it's not adhering

34:59

to an urban legend. They have just come to kill her Yeah, I'm gonna

35:01

want to go kill by kill like in the second like in the second

35:03

half of the second half of the show like in the second half of

35:05

the show like in the show like in the second half of the show like in

35:07

the second half of the show like in the show like in the second half of

35:10

the show like in the show like in the second half of the show like in

35:12

the second half of the show like in the show like in the second half of

35:14

the show like in the show like in the second half of the show like in

35:16

the show like in the second half of the show like in the show like in

35:18

Oh, she's great. Yeah, she's great. She's great.

35:20

Uh-huh. As the, as the campus security.

35:22

Yeah, she'd been kind of, yeah, campus

35:25

security guard or whatever, but she seems

35:27

to be like the head of campus

35:29

security. Yes. And she'd been

35:31

priding herself on it being like

35:33

the safest campus in either America

35:36

or the East Coast or whatever

35:38

coast they're on or something. Yeah.

35:40

And so it isn't really wanting to

35:42

accept that this is happening. But then

35:44

kind of quickly has to. Yeah. But

35:47

she's super fun. Like I think she

35:49

is back in the sequel. Okay. She's

35:51

in Urban Legend final cut. Again, maybe

35:53

it's Urban Legends. I feel like one

35:56

of them ends with an S. Yeah.

35:58

But, and that is very like. screech

36:00

in, um, say by the Bell the New

36:02

class. Yeah, where it's like, what?

36:04

What are you doing here? You

36:06

just work here now? Yeah. This

36:08

is some bad luck. That you're

36:10

here where someone's. I've never seen

36:12

that. So you've never seen Urban

36:14

Legends Final Cut? No. Oh, we're

36:17

definitely doing it. Yeah. No, I've

36:19

never seen it. Oh, wow. That'll

36:21

be fun. Okay. And if you've

36:23

seen the third one, Urban Legends

36:25

Bloody Mary, that one I've never

36:27

seen. I've seen, I've seen, I've

36:29

seen clips of it, because it

36:31

was basically like, this followed the

36:33

trajectory of, I know what you

36:35

did last summer, like first movie,

36:37

pretty good. Second movie, the

36:40

much lesser sequel. I thought it was

36:42

like way much lesser though than I

36:44

know what you did last summer is

36:46

what I'd heard. Well, the third movie

36:48

is basically like shot on a camcord

36:50

in both franchises. And it becomes supernatural,

36:52

right? In the third movie. Yeah.

36:54

And in I know what you did

36:57

last summer, the third movie is

36:59

also supernatural. Yeah, never seen that

37:01

either. These two franchises follow. Hmm.

37:03

like lockstep with each other. Although

37:05

there was supposed to be a reboot

37:07

of urban legends as well. And COVID

37:09

knocked that out. So I know what

37:12

you did last summer is gonna have

37:14

a leg up there. That's true.

37:16

This doesn't actually, you know, push

37:18

a needle forward or whatever, but

37:20

Alicia Witt has said recently during

37:23

press for long legs. It was

37:25

just last year that she would

37:27

love to do. She was in

37:29

long legs. She was the mom. She's

37:31

the mom? Yes. Mm-hmm. What? What?

37:33

What? What? But so during press

37:35

for that, she said that she

37:37

would love to do a sequel to

37:39

this and there's been talk about it.

37:42

Oh. So I don't know. I would love

37:44

to see a new movie. We know that

37:46

there are more urban legends. We've been

37:48

talking about them all. Of course.

37:51

There are so many. There are

37:53

too many. There are too many.

37:55

Yeah, absolutely. Some of them are

37:58

not urban legends at all. I

38:00

went back to the source

38:02

text. John Harold Brunvans, the

38:04

vanishing hitchhiker. Which the professor

38:07

does have on his desk in the

38:09

movie. The origin point of really

38:11

thinking in a sort of

38:13

collegiate way, literary sense about

38:15

urban legends, and a lot

38:17

of the stories are in

38:19

here. The Boyfriend's death, how

38:21

Paisie dies, almost everything except

38:23

for pop rocks, I want to say,

38:25

was in this first book. Yeah. Last

38:28

cast member to talk about

38:30

is Robert England. Okay, yeah, I

38:32

mean he was fun. It was it was

38:34

fun to have him in here. He

38:36

didn't play up any sort of like

38:38

he was just a character. Yeah, which

38:41

was nice to see. I don't know

38:43

that I really see him just in

38:45

stuff. Me neither. I think this is

38:47

the only thing I've just seen him

38:49

in. Right. Besides, you know, those

38:51

old things on Bravo that would

38:54

be like the 50 scariest movies.

38:56

Sure. It's a stunt cameo. I don't

38:58

know if Brad Dora could really be

39:00

considered that as the voice of Chucky.

39:03

Like is he a stunt casting or

39:05

is he just a role? I kind

39:07

of wonder because that woman,

39:10

Natasha Grayson, Gregson Wagner's

39:12

character's name is Michelle Mancini.

39:14

Right. Which maybe is a reference

39:16

to Don Mancini, the creator of Chucki.

39:18

Yeah. So then I do wonder if he's there as

39:20

a little bit of a, I don't know if you

39:22

would necessarily call it a cameo for

39:25

the general public, but maybe he has

39:27

a fun inside. Yeah, it's funny because like this

39:29

movie is so in the mold of. Screaming so

39:31

of that time where people were like ready for

39:34

horror movies to be kind of fun and meta

39:36

and also yeah very referential to other

39:38

horror movies Maybe he was stunt casting.

39:40

Yeah, maybe because I don't think he's because

39:42

he's interacting with somebody with the

39:44

last name Mancini true You can't ignore

39:47

Robert England though like he's always stunt

39:49

casting Which is almost I wonder if

39:51

that's a shame. Yeah. I wonder if it feels

39:53

like an albatross around his neck at all or

39:55

if it's just like my life is awesome awesome.

39:57

My life is awesome. My life is slapped. My

39:59

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It's better with Block. Let's talk

46:43

about those kills. Yeah, so

46:46

do they engage her urban

46:48

legends? Hash! Big!

46:50

Hash! How'd you get two

46:53

words in and beef it?

46:55

You couldn't think of anything

46:58

after a slash. Hash. Hash.

47:00

Hash. They turned them into

47:02

hash. Oh, there you go.

47:04

Yeah. You fixed it? I

47:06

guess. So. Damon's death, this

47:08

is Pacey. Yeah, yeah. This was

47:10

awesome. Yeah, totally. And this is

47:12

how I remember the urban legend

47:15

being. So he hits on Natalie

47:17

and it's terrible. Yeah. Where he

47:19

talks about he says something, he's

47:21

like, I had a girlfriend who

47:23

died of a, he's trying to get

47:26

sympathy. He says she had a...

47:28

Syndrome. Yeah. The camera pans over to

47:30

Natalie who clocks it instantly that he's full

47:32

of shit. What? A syndrome. What are we

47:34

doing? It's like a George Costanza level of

47:36

lie. She had a syndrome. Yeah. It just

47:39

hopes that no one asked to follow a

47:41

question. A syndrome. But that was his play

47:43

to get sympathy so that he can then

47:45

hit on her. Yeah. I told myself I

47:47

would never. you know, get physical with anyone,

47:49

but I still have so much love to

47:52

give. Yeah. Oh great. It's kind of awesome.

47:54

Get out of here. You know, like in

47:56

a like what's wrong with you kind of

47:58

way. It's kind of awesome. But then he

48:00

goes out to pee and he gets grabbed

48:03

by the killer, gets yointed and strung

48:05

up above the car. So he's hanging

48:07

from a noose. His shoes are just

48:10

barely touching the roof. So it just

48:12

sounds like weird squeaking. He's got these

48:14

90 shoes out of those puffy-ass tongues.

48:16

Oh, I didn't catch the puffy tongues.

48:19

Oh, remember having to puff up your

48:21

shoes to get ready? Yeah, absolutely.

48:23

Oh, yeah. What did that do? What did that

48:26

do? was supposed to be like sending like

48:28

more cushion to your souls but I don't

48:30

know how that could really be what movie

48:32

is it where somebody puffs him up so

48:35

much I know I know it's bugging I

48:37

was already bugging me is it Austin Powers

48:39

I was you know it's funny I was thinking

48:41

something Mike Myers so maybe it is

48:43

Austin Powers learning about 90s shoes maybe

48:46

anyway And then Natalie tries to drive away

48:48

and she hears scary sounds, not knowing that

48:50

it's Damon's shoes just touching the roof. And

48:52

it turns out the news is tied to

48:55

her bumper. So when she drives... Her driving

48:57

is hanging him. It's bringing him high up

48:59

to hang him. That's... Awesome. Yeah, it's

49:01

great. Now I looked at the Jan

49:03

Harold Brinband original and it was less

49:06

so of like tying the rope to

49:08

the bumper and trying to drive away.

49:10

It was more about like he's been

49:12

hanged. He is dead and the scary

49:15

sound you're hearing is the touching of

49:17

the roof. Yeah, yeah. The added mechanic

49:19

of you drive and it hangs him.

49:21

That's kind of awesome. That rings a

49:23

belt to me. I kind of think that though...

49:26

was new I'm just repeating this but

49:28

yes I remember the original urban legend

49:30

just being that there's a scary sound

49:32

and it turns out that it's your

49:34

date yes every almost every single one

49:36

of these urban legends has some added

49:38

pizzas for the movies like I don't

49:40

know a little more cinematic flare or

49:42

scares yeah like Tasha's death her roommate that's

49:44

like not exactly the way an urban

49:47

legend like that goes correct correct I

49:49

want to just quickly say because I

49:51

liked this one too there's another variation

49:54

of that urban legend above the car

49:56

where it's he's hanged upside down and

49:58

it's his fingertips. roof and sometimes

50:01

his heads fully chopped off in

50:03

that one. That's pretty gnarly. Yeah,

50:05

that's a fun one. Yeah, but

50:07

yeah, tosh, which is Danielle Harris.

50:09

Yes, which is weird. Yeah. But

50:11

she's Natalie's Goth roommate. Yeah, she kicks

50:13

ass. She goes on Goth for Goth, looking

50:16

for hookups. Yes. And her

50:18

username is gloom for you. Oh my

50:20

god, I'm so proud of you.

50:22

I did not remember Goth for

50:24

Goth or Gloom for You. That

50:26

is awesome. Yeah. We need to

50:28

make a mental note. I have

50:30

a soft spot for 90s internet

50:32

in horror movies. There's a show

50:35

called Freaky Links. Okay. Freaky

50:37

links and it was created by

50:39

Eduardo Sanchez and Dan Myrick after

50:41

Blair witch I think. And I

50:43

really want to watch it. What's

50:45

it about? I don't know, but

50:48

I assume it's about a scary

50:50

internet something. I hope so. An

50:52

assumption, but yeah, that's awesome. Got

50:54

to try to remember that. Yeah.

50:56

So yeah, Tosh goes on goth for

50:58

God. Under the name, gloom for you.

51:01

And is trying to hook up with

51:03

other Goths. Yeah. But also, she's doing

51:05

up. Is that a part of

51:07

just like college roommate culture? I

51:10

wouldn't know. I never, I never

51:12

lived on campus. Yeah, it does suck.

51:14

Yeah, I guess what else are you

51:16

gonna do? I don't know. Natalie just

51:19

puts on headphones and instantly

51:21

falls asleep. What happened

51:23

to the, what happened to the,

51:25

what happened to the, what happened

51:27

to the, what happened to the,

51:29

what happened to the, what happened

51:31

to the, I've also heard a fish

51:34

net, a scrunch. Why don't you turn

51:36

off the game? They have a

51:38

combative relationship. They do. It's also

51:40

very 90s. Natalie wants to check

51:43

her voicemail. Yeah, yeah. We're just

51:45

going to kick Tosh off of

51:47

her computer's internet. Yeah, it's fun.

51:49

It's my phone line too, you

51:51

know. It's like, oh, that's gone.

51:53

That's, by the way, side. You

51:56

just have one phone line. You

51:58

could either go on. a ruckus

52:00

assumes that Tosh is hooking up

52:02

with someone so she doesn't turn

52:04

on the light. Right. And in

52:06

the morning discovers that Tosh is

52:08

dead in bed and scrawled on

52:10

the wall in her blood is aren't

52:12

you glad you didn't turn on

52:14

the light? Yep. That's great. Great. That

52:17

is a great classic urban legend.

52:19

Mm-hmm. Required a couple of hoops

52:21

to jump through for it to work

52:23

in the movie. Yep. Needed to

52:25

have a roommate who's... Who's doing

52:27

it and you know that so

52:29

you're gonna ignore it? Who's already

52:32

living according to an urban legend

52:34

before her death? Yeah. You gotta

52:36

give the movie some gimmies. Totally.

52:38

Totally. And it was very very

52:40

enjoyable. Oh yeah, it's awesome. High beam

52:43

initiation I wrote down. So we're

52:45

gonna learn that the entire reason

52:47

these murders are being perpetrated is

52:49

because of Natalie's backstory. Yeah. Natalie

52:52

knew Michelle from the cold open.

52:54

They went to high school together.

52:56

And this is so great and

52:58

terrible. It involves jumping ahead

53:00

to the ending a little bit.

53:03

We like learned that they did

53:05

an urban legend in high school

53:07

basically. They did. I guess they

53:09

did. They like became an urban

53:11

legend because they flashed their high

53:13

beams at somebody and then chased

53:16

them down. And I never grasped this

53:18

urban legend. at all anyway. Maybe I

53:20

heard it before I drove so it

53:22

didn't make sense to me. It's that if

53:24

you that if you flash your high beams at

53:27

somebody with their lights off to let them know

53:29

that their lights are off. Yeah, so somebody's

53:31

driving a car with no lights on at

53:33

night. And if you flash your high beams

53:35

at them to warn them, hey, your lights

53:38

are off. Yeah, now they're going to target

53:40

you. Yeah, right. It could be that they're

53:42

just waiting for somebody to do that to

53:44

do that. And then they're just waiting for

53:46

somebody to do that. Stephen Spielberg's movie

53:48

duel? You know what that is? Oh, no,

53:50

not really. One instance of road rage on

53:53

a freeway. I haven't seen it, but you've

53:55

told me about it. It's basically the plot

53:57

of Joy Ride before Joy Ride. Yeah. One

53:59

moment of Roy. That too. Like in the

54:01

past couple of years. Grandie Carrey. Grandie

54:03

Carrey. It wasn't as good as I

54:05

remembered. No, it's not great. Steve's on

54:08

naked. I thought it was gonna be

54:10

real fun. It was okay. Clasp and

54:12

as berries hopping through like a fast

54:14

food place. It's a weird movie. You

54:16

know that there are like four joyride

54:18

movies, right? Yeah. I do. I didn't

54:20

continue on the path. But yeah, so

54:23

Natalie and Michelle had driven with

54:25

their lightses off. and the first person

54:27

to flash their high beams at them

54:29

to warn them, like you gotta turn

54:32

your lights on, they turned the car

54:34

around, sped up behind the guy and

54:36

started flashing their high beams like crazy,

54:39

which then resulted in that

54:41

otherwise, you know, a helpful driver who

54:43

was trying to warn you, he

54:46

accidentally drove off the side of

54:48

the road and died. We will find

54:50

out by the end of the movie

54:52

that that guy who died was Rebecca

54:54

Gayhart's boyfriend. Yes. And the reason

54:56

why that's so weak is that

54:59

there's a line in the finale

55:01

where Rebecca Gayhart goes,

55:03

you weren't driving Natalie,

55:05

but it was your car. I

55:08

know, it's like, okay. What? So

55:10

now, cut that out of the

55:12

movie. You're punishing me? For owning

55:14

the car? I didn't do it.

55:16

This should all be revolving

55:19

around. Natasha Gregson Wagner,

55:21

right? Yes, exactly. She was the

55:23

driver. She was the killer Arguably,

55:25

yes, okay But it was your

55:27

car is so pathetic Totally and

55:29

you wouldn't even think about any of

55:31

this and just be like okay. She's

55:33

going I don't know. She was involved and

55:36

so was involved. Don't call it out. It's

55:38

like wait. You were in driving saying that

55:40

well. There's a reason right because you don't

55:42

want the audience to turn on Natalie. Uh-huh

55:44

and be like she's a killer so you

55:47

need a line there to absolve her of

55:49

any guilt yes but then you need in

55:51

the killer's mind like the real bad guy

55:53

for it to still be in her motivating

55:55

enough for her to be doing all of

55:58

this but it's just like ruinous I don't

56:00

know. I don't know about all this. You

56:02

weren't driving, but it was your car. It's

56:04

like, well, it was actually my father's name.

56:06

So shouldn't. Maybe you should be going after

56:08

him. Maybe you should be killing my dad

56:10

instead, please. Yeah. Probably wasn't her

56:12

father's name. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, I

56:15

know it's absolutely inside She also in

56:17

that whole end part. It's horrible. She says

56:19

oh just my favorite you well Oh Yeah,

56:21

oh, there's a lot of brutality in

56:23

that end performance. I like it. I

56:26

think it's not even the performance. That's

56:28

just just calling my favorite you

56:30

well for urban legends. It's like,

56:32

eww. I don't think either. That's just

56:35

underlying. I get it. She was stuck

56:37

having to say that. So much that

56:39

you have a nickname for them. We

56:42

get, I get that they're pushing that

56:44

on us. But I would rather say

56:46

urban legend than you. Urban legend. Four

56:48

syllables, U L. You cut it in

56:51

half the amount of syllables you have

56:53

to say, but is it that much of a

56:55

gain? No, she has a pet name for

56:57

urban legends. She loves. She loves.

56:59

But now she's gone so mad, she's using

57:02

them to kill other people, so now she's

57:04

like into it. I get it. Okay.

57:06

It is weird. The whole thing is

57:08

weird. Because also, again, I know I'm,

57:10

I'm now stuck in finale mode because

57:12

we talked about that urban legend. The

57:14

reveal of Natalie's past comes in the

57:16

middle of the movie. Yeah. But in

57:18

that finale, Jared Leto steps in with

57:20

a slow clap. Oh God. He's a

57:22

journalist? Yeah. And he had thought on

57:25

his thought on his feet. And his

57:27

thing is to compliment Rebecca Gayhart for

57:29

the insanity of her killing, because it'll

57:31

make a great story. Yeah. And thereby

57:33

he'll disarm her. She's had a big

57:35

crush on him the whole time, and

57:37

she's also pissed at Natalie because she

57:39

like made out with him, which honestly

57:41

is not cool. I agree. Like through the whole

57:43

movie, they're like best friends and Brenda's been

57:46

like, ooh, I like him so much, I

57:48

think I'm going to talk to him, I

57:50

think I'm going to ask him out. And

57:52

Natalie and whatever Jared letters, Paul, Natalie and

57:54

Paul have been getting closer because they're like

57:57

working on solving the mystery of the

57:59

urban legends. and then they make out that

58:01

is not nice no it's not nice um but

58:03

anyway he i guess he kind of can

58:06

he could just tell that she had a

58:08

crush on him because she definitely wasn't hiding

58:10

it and so then he's like yeah we'll

58:12

work together on this right they can have

58:14

a blue eye connection yeah yeah but isn't

58:16

it weird that Rebecca Gayhart's entire

58:18

motivation is I loved my boyfriend

58:21

and yet she's boy crazy over

58:23

Jared Leto the whole movie shouldn't

58:25

she Like there's something there that's a

58:27

little off to me. It is a

58:30

little bit off because this is like

58:32

all kind of in her boyfriend's name

58:34

in a way. It's all avenging him.

58:37

Yeah. But at the same, well she

58:39

doesn't have rejecting him. She does,

58:41

she goes, you're cute Paul, but

58:43

you're not that cute. Yeah. I

58:45

don't know and the the boyfriend gave

58:48

her this very like iconic tifities necklace

58:50

that like tons of girls had in

58:52

the 90s because it could afford a

58:55

ring and that necklace has been very

58:57

pivotal in yellow jackets. Oh really? Yeah

58:59

yeah yeah I would like to watch

59:01

yellow jackets I've seen people turn on

59:04

it in season three of them. Yeah yeah

59:06

yeah yeah yeah I've seen people turn on

59:08

it in season three of you? There were

59:10

things I didn't like about it where I

59:12

was like this is... This is not so

59:15

good. Season 3, I would say, has, it's

59:17

not really been good, but I

59:19

still enjoy it. You know, the only

59:21

thing better than watching a good show

59:23

is when you don't watch a good show.

59:25

And it goes so long that you hear

59:28

everyone go, this sucks. And I'm like, oh,

59:30

I never got invested. This is great. This

59:32

is great. Yeah, season, season one was great.

59:34

I can't be let down if I

59:36

never started. A chef's kiss, but it's

59:38

been very disappointing. Season would conclude in

59:40

any kind of satisfying way where you

59:42

can pretend there's nothing more. I'm

59:45

trying to remember. Probably not. I

59:47

like the premise. Yeah. I would guess I

59:49

would guess no. Okay, yeah. The the high

59:51

beam gang initiation thing is also how

59:54

the janitor in this movie dies. Yes.

59:56

He flashes his high beams at a

59:58

driver and it's Brent. And she spins

1:00:00

the car around and runs him off

1:00:02

the road. He dies and Natalie makes

1:00:04

it out of that car wreck completely

1:00:07

fine. Yeah, yeah. The janitor. and the

1:00:09

gas station attendant both suffer from similar

1:00:11

afflictions where they just like there's nothing

1:00:13

like really wrong with them at first

1:00:15

but they come off a little creepy

1:00:18

but then they don't do it themselves

1:00:20

any favors because he also grabs it

1:00:22

Natalie does he yeah he's like what's

1:00:24

wrong with yeah oh yeah yeah you're right he's

1:00:26

just kind of like an unusual looking

1:00:28

dude so people are like either the

1:00:31

janitor or whatever which is unfair right

1:00:33

but then yeah she's she's she's feeling

1:00:35

freaked out because there is something that

1:00:37

I don't what it is something about

1:00:39

him in the car is making her

1:00:41

suspicious for some somewhat of a good

1:00:43

reason I can't remember maybe he has

1:00:46

something in the car there are a

1:00:48

number of like you know in scream

1:00:50

everybody is a suspect yeah this is

1:00:52

a who done it they try that

1:00:54

here too but to little effect totally

1:00:56

yeah he does something or says something

1:00:58

weird does he have the parka that's

1:01:00

what to say it might be something

1:01:02

like this but I don't think it's like

1:01:04

he has the parka it's like he has

1:01:07

the parka I was like I don't even

1:01:09

know where I would go back to rewind

1:01:11

to figure this out And even as I'm

1:01:13

saying I'm like I bet I'm wrong about

1:01:16

this I feel like Natalie might react to

1:01:18

the parka thing, but she's never actually seen

1:01:20

the killer with the parka at one

1:01:22

point. I kind of think that's correct.

1:01:24

In the pool scene, right? Because she

1:01:27

sees this, she sees somebody in a

1:01:29

parka walking in the pool while Brenda,

1:01:31

yeah, Rebecca Gayhart is in the pool.

1:01:33

So she's like, oh no, it's the

1:01:35

killer. And she breaks a glass. But

1:01:38

I don't think she's ever actually seen

1:01:40

the killer before. So... I don't know

1:01:42

if it's just that as an audience

1:01:44

member, we know that the killer wears

1:01:46

that parka, so we know that she's

1:01:49

right, that they look like the killer,

1:01:51

and she herself is just reacting to

1:01:53

a strange person is in the room

1:01:55

now, but it reads as though. She's

1:01:57

certain this is the killer's costume.

1:01:59

But I think you're right, I'm

1:02:01

not sure if she ever saw

1:02:03

the killer. Yeah. The, the, Silvio

1:02:05

Orta evidently originally scripted this to

1:02:07

take place in the winter. Okay. Which

1:02:10

is why the killer wears a parka. Okay.

1:02:12

All right. And it's anonymous enough? Yeah. You

1:02:14

know, like it could be a man

1:02:16

or a woman. You can't tell the

1:02:18

shape of a body or anything in

1:02:20

a big puffy parka. Yep. It's serviceable.

1:02:22

Yeah. But it's. Odd. It's not great.

1:02:24

And it seems like they're wearing some

1:02:26

sort of ski mask or bala clava

1:02:29

that she was just like one eye.

1:02:31

Like when they're driving at one point

1:02:33

during that thing with the janitor, they

1:02:35

pull up alongside and they do look

1:02:37

at whoever is in the other car,

1:02:40

I guess at Natalie or something. And

1:02:42

you can just see one of their

1:02:44

eyes. Is that right? Yeah, it may just

1:02:46

be the angle. And it's not, you

1:02:48

can't tell that it's like a Rebecca

1:02:51

gay hurt beautiful, clear blue eye. Is

1:02:53

it Jared Leto? Because he ends up

1:02:55

being the misdirect of the like the

1:02:57

killer has a beautiful blue eye. Right,

1:03:00

right. I believe in the sequel they

1:03:02

wear a fencing mask. Okay. Maybe

1:03:04

it's even that. I don't know. You

1:03:06

can't really see. No, you can't really

1:03:08

see. It's fine. Yeah. Okay, the the

1:03:10

next urban, oh, ankle slice under car.

1:03:12

This is how they get, I never

1:03:15

like an ankle slice. This scared me

1:03:17

when I was a kid. I remember

1:03:19

when I was a teenager, somebody when

1:03:21

we lived in Missouri told me that

1:03:23

you have to be careful walking past

1:03:25

a car at night because somebody will

1:03:27

slice your account attendant. Yeah, yeah. And

1:03:29

I have thought about that off and

1:03:31

on for the rest of my entire

1:03:34

life. Yeah, yeah. And I forgot that

1:03:36

it's in this movie. They do it's

1:03:38

in this movie. some tire spike things.

1:03:40

For good measure. Sure, just

1:03:42

finish them off. Yep. Michael

1:03:44

Rosenbaum gets three legends in

1:03:46

one at his annoying party

1:03:48

where he's being an annoying. I

1:03:50

understand this party. Why? Is

1:03:53

it Halloween? No. He has a

1:03:55

party every year to commemorate the

1:03:57

anniversary of Stanley Hall Massacre. Right.

1:04:00

Which is in this universe purported to

1:04:02

be an urban legend at their school

1:04:04

that somebody was going room by room knocking

1:04:06

on the door and if you answered

1:04:08

the door he'd slit your throat. Right.

1:04:10

So much so that the entire Stanley

1:04:12

Hall is abandoned that's where they said

1:04:15

Bloody Mary at the beginning of the

1:04:17

movie to the boarded up door because

1:04:19

that entire place has been eliminated. Right.

1:04:21

And a lot of the movie orbits

1:04:23

around. Did that Stanley Hall massacre actually happen?

1:04:25

And was it covered up by the university?

1:04:27

And the answer is yes. Right. They try

1:04:29

to use that to implicate Robert England to

1:04:32

say that he might have been, he was

1:04:34

the only survivor. He was the only survivor,

1:04:36

yeah. He was the only survivor, so they

1:04:38

try to be like, maybe he's gone nuts

1:04:41

25 years after his last massacre and he's

1:04:43

killing people according to urban legends. But that's

1:04:45

a red herring thing. So we never get

1:04:47

any decent information about the Stanley Hall massacre.

1:04:50

Yeah, you never find out who it actually

1:04:52

was. So it just feels kind of point

1:04:54

less. Just feels like a waste of a waste

1:04:56

of time. It feels like a waste of time. I thought

1:04:58

the same thing, like I wish if

1:05:00

there was some sort of subplot, it

1:05:02

felt more connected to urban legends.

1:05:05

It just feels like this, almost

1:05:07

like set dressing that's like, okay,

1:05:09

so we're in a setting that

1:05:12

also had something creepy happen to

1:05:14

it. It doesn't feel urban legend.

1:05:16

Absolutely. But so Michael Rosenbaum has

1:05:18

this party, he's carrying his do

1:05:20

a beer bong or something, which is

1:05:23

weird. But then the following happens.

1:05:25

He starts getting a phone call at

1:05:27

the party. is insinuated by him to be

1:05:29

like, oh, let me guess is the call

1:05:31

coming from inside the house. So you got

1:05:33

the babysitter and the man upstairs there. Calls

1:05:35

coming from the inside the house. He looks at

1:05:37

the caller ID and it says Damon Brooks, who

1:05:40

was Joshua Jackson and they were roommates. Right, right,

1:05:42

right. Yeah. And then the voice on the phone

1:05:44

goes, no. This is not the cause coming from

1:05:46

in the house. This is the urban legend

1:05:48

about the old woman who tries to dry

1:05:50

her dog in the microwave. Yeah. Which is

1:05:52

an urban legend. Yeah. And so he goes,

1:05:54

whoa. And he goes running through the house

1:05:56

opens the microwave and his dog has exploded

1:05:58

in the microwave. Yeah. And then. he feels

1:06:00

like he's gonna throw up. So he

1:06:02

runs to the bathroom where he gets

1:06:04

ambushed by the killer who shoves pop

1:06:06

rocks in his mouth, a beer bong

1:06:08

down his throat, and pours drain out

1:06:10

into the beer bong. Yeah. This is

1:06:12

so many urban legends happening simultaneously. I

1:06:14

know. I almost think that's why they

1:06:16

didn't have any more to spare for

1:06:18

our next kill, which is radio station

1:06:21

murder. Yeah. think about that this just

1:06:23

isn't you're right there's this isn't an

1:06:25

urban legend it's it's just a kill

1:06:27

I tried to reach for something yeah when

1:06:29

when Natalie goes to the house party some

1:06:32

annoying guy they're living they're listening to

1:06:34

love roller coaster right and there's a scream

1:06:36

a woman screaming in the song love roller

1:06:38

coaster the urban legend I always heard is

1:06:40

that the cover art for that album is

1:06:43

a woman covered in honey and the urban

1:06:45

legend I heard is that that that model

1:06:47

That wasn't real honey, that was like a

1:06:50

fiberglass thing for the photo shoot, and

1:06:52

it fused her skin. And the scream

1:06:54

in the song was her in the

1:06:56

studio as they tried to peel it

1:06:58

off her skin. I've never heard that.

1:07:00

Basically skinning her alive. That's what I

1:07:02

heard. And the sound was accidentally picked

1:07:04

up in the song. Yeah. And it

1:07:06

kept it. In the movie, the annoying

1:07:08

guy says that that was the real

1:07:10

scream of a real person from a

1:07:12

911 call being killed. That's what I've

1:07:14

heard. They also push in on a

1:07:16

speaker during the scream and it's a

1:07:18

different scream than what's in the song.

1:07:20

Oh, weird. Which is annoying to me. Huh.

1:07:22

But then when terror reads at

1:07:24

her radio station and being attacked,

1:07:26

she's screaming that she's being killed

1:07:28

and no one believes it. Yeah.

1:07:30

He, that same annoying party guy

1:07:32

has the most irritating line. Yeah.

1:07:34

Yeah, yeah. and instantly says this.

1:07:37

He goes, she's doing a performance

1:07:39

art piece of commemorating the massacre. He

1:07:41

immediately says that line. Why would that

1:07:43

be? Like it's the most sensible thing

1:07:45

in the world? Totally. And it's clearly

1:07:48

terroried being hounded and killed. Right. There

1:07:50

have been multiple people killed on campus.

1:07:52

I think that it's more logical to

1:07:54

think that it's happening again. Yes. So

1:07:56

that's my stretch of an urban legend

1:07:58

is that it's connected. to the Love

1:08:00

Roller Coaster comment? Yeah. Yeah. Slash. They

1:08:03

don't call this out, but that urban

1:08:05

legend that people believed War of the

1:08:07

Worlds, which was a radio broadcast, which

1:08:10

made people panic even though it wasn't

1:08:12

true? This is somebody panicking and nobody

1:08:14

believes it is true? Yeah. I don't

1:08:17

know. Yeah. But otherwise, unless you try

1:08:19

to dig, the terror murder has nothing

1:08:21

to do with urban legends. No. She's

1:08:23

just being stalked by a killer. Yeah.

1:08:26

And it's good. It's a great scene.

1:08:28

No, it is good. It is good.

1:08:30

But yeah, that is really strange. It

1:08:33

didn't even occur to me. It didn't

1:08:35

even occur to me that's really not

1:08:37

adhering to the pattern whatsoever. I tried

1:08:40

looking around online and I didn't see

1:08:42

anyone point out that that's not anything.

1:08:44

Really weird. It's smacks of an urban

1:08:47

legend that doesn't exist. Yeah, kind of.

1:08:49

There was a call-in show on the

1:08:51

radio and the person was being killed

1:08:53

and everyone thought it was a prank.

1:08:56

Yeah, totally. That sounds like an urban

1:08:58

legend. Yeah. But it's not one I'm

1:09:00

aware of. No. And the movie doesn't

1:09:03

call it out, which it would do.

1:09:05

Them justifying it being by being like,

1:09:07

it sounds like an urban legend in

1:09:10

the making. Yes. and she was the

1:09:12

noxima girl but here's how it really

1:09:14

happened yeah that's the point of the

1:09:16

movie uh... and then the last things

1:09:19

that i personally have so i saw

1:09:21

online this movie has a thirty percent

1:09:23

run tomatoes yeah this movie did not

1:09:26

do well with like the critics did

1:09:28

fine enough at the box office obviously

1:09:30

to get a sequel yeah but a

1:09:33

lot of critics were like it's just

1:09:35

scream right it's a ripoff right scream

1:09:37

like they were very and i'm like

1:09:40

It's no more a ripoff of scream

1:09:42

than, I don't know, Halloween of Black

1:09:44

Christmas or what, it's totally acceptable to

1:09:46

me. It's supposed to be similar to

1:09:49

each other. For it to be similar

1:09:51

to scream and to be vibing at

1:09:53

that time and take advantage of a

1:09:56

trend to make another thing. Yeah, you

1:09:58

ride away if it's not that weird.

1:10:00

It's fine by me. However... when Natalie

1:10:03

asks Brenda why she's killing everyone she

1:10:05

goes why why yeah oh that's literally

1:10:07

what Billy Lumis says with that pacing

1:10:10

and everything yeah yeah it's like oh

1:10:12

that's so that's that's screen yeah that's

1:10:14

pretty identical yeah and then I love

1:10:16

the line from Rebecca Gayhart which goes

1:10:19

Natalie's you know upset about being killed

1:10:21

or whatever and she goes don't you

1:10:23

want to be an urban legend all

1:10:26

your friends are now yeah I like

1:10:28

that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a fun

1:10:30

like twist of the knife. Yeah, it

1:10:33

is fun. But then one last confusing

1:10:35

thing of the movie, in my opinion,

1:10:37

they're still in the abandoned Stanley Hall,

1:10:40

which is where a lot of the

1:10:42

action takes place at the reveal. And

1:10:44

Brenda's decided that she's gonna shoot either.

1:10:46

Yeah. Jared Leto or Natalie. She goes,

1:10:49

I just don't know who to shoot

1:10:51

first. Eni, meani, mini, and then from

1:10:53

the floor the security guard goes, mow,

1:10:56

shoots her. That's so terrible. It's so

1:10:58

funny. That is so horrible. I kind

1:11:00

of couldn't believe it. I forgot about

1:11:03

that. Yeah. Eni, meani, mini, mini. No,

1:11:05

is the final bad-ass word. I know.

1:11:07

That's the shittiest, the shittiest, cool, die-hard

1:11:10

line I've ever heard. Finishing any, many,

1:11:12

many, many, many, many, many, mine. That

1:11:14

is really funny. There are only two

1:11:16

bits of trivia that I thought were

1:11:19

of any interest on IMDB. One is

1:11:21

that the Latin motto of the university.

1:11:23

Yes. Which is Amacum optimum Factum, translates

1:11:26

to the best friend did it. Yeah.

1:11:28

Which is kind of amusing. I know

1:11:30

I like that. It doesn't make any

1:11:33

sense. I don't like it when I

1:11:35

don't always like it when like an

1:11:37

Easter egg breaks the fourth wall that

1:11:39

hard. Yeah. But it's kind of amusing.

1:11:42

Yeah. And then I like this quite

1:11:44

a bit. This is a stretch as

1:11:46

well. But I think there's something to

1:11:49

it. So Brenda has been showing. thrown

1:11:51

out the window, flies out the windshield,

1:11:53

goes into the river, and now here

1:11:56

at that end tag where it reveals

1:11:58

that she's still alive. Yeah. Quote, Brenda

1:12:00

is seen wearing a blue ribbon around

1:12:03

her neck at the end of the

1:12:05

film. This is a vague reference to

1:12:07

another urban legend about a girl whose

1:12:09

head falls off if she removes the

1:12:12

ribbon around her neck. Yeah. And I

1:12:14

think that's possible. I think that's possible.

1:12:16

Yeah. It was not common to wear

1:12:19

literally a ribbon around your neck. Right.

1:12:21

And it's very like 1950s. Yes. But

1:12:23

I think it's a reasonable, fun thing

1:12:26

to, like she from head to toe,

1:12:28

she is an urban legend person by

1:12:30

the end of this movie. Yeah. Yeah.

1:12:33

No, I liked it. Delightful. I know.

1:12:35

I like this movie more than I

1:12:37

probably should. See I can't decide if

1:12:39

it's an assault nostalgia or a soft

1:12:42

spot. Is it just because it's scream?

1:12:44

Is it because it's urban legends? It

1:12:46

seems like it's having fun. I think

1:12:49

I would say I think it's a

1:12:51

fun movie and it's it's a who

1:12:53

done it. Yeah, I like a mystery

1:12:56

to it which is always fine. Yeah,

1:12:58

I think there's the nostalgia and everything

1:13:00

mixed up in there as well. It's

1:13:03

just a good time at the movies.

1:13:05

Yeah, boom. It's great. Highly recommend it.

1:13:07

And hold it out for that, that

1:13:09

reboot. I would love to see a

1:13:12

reboot. Are you kidding? I think that

1:13:14

would be a lot of fun. If

1:13:16

I get a text from you one

1:13:19

day, I'm at work, and it's like,

1:13:21

a link to news about an urban

1:13:23

legend reboot, I'll be so thrilled. I

1:13:26

know, that'd be really cool. Listen, you

1:13:28

and I are now, we're the modern,

1:13:30

yon-herald brin vans. We're the modern, yon

1:13:33

herald-herald brin vans. Perhaps we should get

1:13:35

tapped. Yeah, I think you're right. We'll

1:13:37

write this movie. Yeah, well, put me

1:13:39

in, Coach. You know what? We'll take

1:13:42

care of it for you, Coach. It

1:13:44

will, of course, be directed by Coach.

1:13:46

Oh, of course. I'll get him on

1:13:49

the board. Sweet. What's his man's name?

1:13:51

Uh, what's Coach's name? Jan Hooks? Jan

1:13:53

Hooks. I can't think of his name.

1:13:56

Craigteen teen also. Thank you, Craig T.

1:13:58

Nelson. Not Jan Hooks. Jan Hooks is

1:14:00

great, though, too. She's great, yeah. Yeah,

1:14:02

maybe she's in it, too. She's in

1:14:05

it, too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe if

1:14:07

you play, no, Loretta Devine can come

1:14:09

back. We'll figure. Yeah, Loretta Devine has

1:14:12

to come back. Maybe Jan Hooks can

1:14:14

be a dean. I don't think Loretta

1:14:16

Devine has to come back. I don't

1:14:19

think it makes it works. I see

1:14:21

that. Anyway, how do we get Joshua

1:14:23

Jackson in it? I see that now.

1:14:26

Oh, he's dead. I would love somebody

1:14:28

of that 90s flavor. What's his name

1:14:30

is coming back to Scream 7, Matthew

1:14:32

Lillard. Let's throw Joshua Jackson and David

1:14:35

Arquette. Yeah, right. Everybody's coming back for

1:14:37

Scream 7. Yeah. Okay. Let's get him.

1:14:39

All right. Listen. I would never say

1:14:42

no. Yeah. In the event that somebody

1:14:44

asked us to write urban legend, sure,

1:14:46

whoever you want to put in it.

1:14:49

What the hell? Whatever. Yeah. All right

1:14:51

everybody, that was fun. Yeah. I like

1:14:53

that movie quite a bit. I love

1:14:56

urban legends even more. It was greatly

1:14:58

enjoyable to me. I like to watch

1:15:00

that movie. It's most pleasing to me.

1:15:02

If it's on and I'm looking at

1:15:05

it. There's pleasure that's occurring. Ben, I

1:15:07

feel good. Will you watch the sequel

1:15:09

in a future episode? Oh yeah, sure.

1:15:12

Dynamite. Yeah, it's lovely. Yeah, I've just

1:15:14

known that both sequels are supposed to

1:15:16

suck. I guess I haven't been interested,

1:15:19

honestly. I recall having a soft spot

1:15:21

for the sequel. Okay. It's probably how

1:15:23

you feel about I still know what

1:15:26

you did last summer or whatever it's

1:15:28

called. What is it called? The sequel

1:15:30

to I know what you did last

1:15:32

summer. Yeah, I know what a bad

1:15:35

name. What a bad title. And then

1:15:37

the third one's all, always, no one

1:15:39

did last summer. Right, right, right, right,

1:15:42

right. Yeah, it should be, I, I

1:15:44

still remember what you did two summers

1:15:46

ago. Well, what would you call the

1:15:49

sequel to? I know what you did

1:15:51

last summer. And then, what happens? William!

1:15:53

And then what happens next? I still

1:15:56

know! Last summer. I still know. I

1:15:58

guess it's not last summer. I wonder

1:16:00

what you'll do next summer. Here's a

1:16:02

problem. It's not last summer anymore. That's

1:16:05

what I mean. That's why I said

1:16:07

two summers ago. Uh-oh. Yeah, that movie

1:16:09

sucks. I haven't seen it in a

1:16:12

long time, but I don't think it

1:16:14

sucks. Yes, I made you watch. I

1:16:16

know what you did last summer. On

1:16:19

Patreon. Did we talk about the sequel?

1:16:21

No. I'd be happy to bring it

1:16:23

on Maine. It's so bad. We should

1:16:25

watch them before the new one in

1:16:28

July. Oh, that's risky. I still know

1:16:30

what you did last summer on Maine.

1:16:32

Oh, that's a huge risk. Oh yeah,

1:16:35

we did Gremlins and I know what

1:16:37

you did last summer on the Another

1:16:39

World dispatch for some reason. Yeah, I

1:16:42

think I had to watch a movie

1:16:44

that the other yeah, didn't want to

1:16:46

watch that for yeah Yeah, that's right.

1:16:49

Yeah, I don't think so we have

1:16:51

to do Gremlins too and I still

1:16:53

know What to do it right? No,

1:16:55

what a weird no, I think we

1:16:58

just have to straight up do I

1:17:00

know what you're like. I agree. All

1:17:02

right everybody well, thank you all so

1:17:05

much for hanging out with us loved

1:17:07

it. Yeah, loved it. You loved it

1:17:09

too everyone everyone you know, so I

1:17:12

want to watch cursed I want to

1:17:14

watch cursed That that

1:17:16

weird were wolf movie. They went through

1:17:18

all kinds of problems with yes with

1:17:21

Jesse Eisenberg It was like a West

1:17:23

Craven Ritchie yes, I would watch that.

1:17:25

Yeah, absolutely Hmm. Yes, we must. Okay.

1:17:27

It's almost as if we have a

1:17:29

long future ahead of us Yeah, great

1:17:32

God the unknown will never die. No,

1:17:34

thank you all so much for hanging

1:17:36

out with us. Yep. Thank you for

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1:17:41

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1:17:43

God the unknown and unlock an ever

1:17:45

expanding of Guide to the Unknowns World.

1:17:47

Yeah. This show is merely the tip

1:17:49

of the iceberg, quite frankly. Totally. There's

1:17:52

a buttload of stuff below the surface.

1:17:54

A literal buttload. You can also follow

1:17:56

us online. We're at GTTU pod to

1:17:58

find out when new episodes drop, this

1:18:01

and that. You know, part of me

1:18:03

almost admires that we almost

1:18:05

admire that. I'm at

1:18:07

the myth travel. So

1:18:09

we'll be back next

1:18:11

week to talk about

1:18:14

something different. But

1:18:16

until that time comes,

1:18:19

we must travel. Back

1:18:21

to the netherworld, go we. the

1:18:23

third urban legend movie went supernatural.

1:18:26

Normally I would not want that,

1:18:28

but there are so many urban

1:18:30

legends that are supernatural. That's true.

1:18:33

It's somewhat fitting. Yeah, that is

1:18:35

true. It requires to be divorced

1:18:37

from the canon, which is a

1:18:39

shame. Yeah. But in service of

1:18:42

trying to expand the amount of

1:18:44

urban legends you can cover, perhaps

1:18:46

necessary. Yeah, I can see that.

1:18:48

Versus your favorite franchise, last summer

1:18:51

going supernatural. further digs into the

1:18:53

grave, which it was already at

1:18:55

the basement of, because that second

1:18:58

movie is dog shit, and the

1:19:00

first movie is not even that good.

1:19:02

I said in this episode that this

1:19:04

one was my favorite of the two.

1:19:06

Did you really? I don't remember you

1:19:08

saying it. Yes, I did. I said

1:19:11

that I would be wishy-washy, and that

1:19:13

it's very possible that I could watch.

1:19:15

I know what you did last summer and

1:19:17

change my mind, but I said I think

1:19:19

right now that this one's my favorite. I

1:19:22

hope that didn't wake up Jack.