0:00

This is a triple J

0:02

podcast. prescription pills,

0:04

it was alcohol, it was

0:06

ice, it was gee. That may be the view

0:08

of young people, it's not the view

0:10

of our government. If I don't meet

0:12

a girl, it's pretty hard to

0:14

tell her that I'm uncontatable.

0:16

To connect, to have a good

0:18

time, to dance it off like

0:20

nobody's watching. This is going to

0:22

have an effect for generations to

0:25

come. More and more of you

0:27

are telling us that you're going

0:29

to be voting independent at this

0:31

election, or you're going to be backed

0:33

up by the data. We know young

0:35

voters are increasingly moving away from the

0:37

major parties. So what is that going

0:39

to mean for the shape of our

0:41

parliament going forward? And how independent are

0:43

the independents? Gooday, it's Dave Marcazi with

0:46

you for hack. In a bit we're

0:48

going to be getting into this and

0:50

also speaking with an independent candidate. who's

0:53

hoping to snatch a seat from the

0:55

LNP. You know, I haven't been to Parliament,

0:57

so I have watched videos of how intense

0:59

it can be, but I just plan to

1:02

steer my path and just get stuff done.

1:04

Yeah, if you're thinking of voting independent,

1:06

tell me why. 439-757- Triple-5. We're

1:08

also going to be getting into

1:10

preferences a bit later. So if

1:12

that's a concept that has kind

1:14

of confused you and you've never

1:17

really delved into, we have an

1:19

explanation. First though. Hack. The coalition

1:21

says it would introduce a

1:24

90 million dollar package to

1:26

tackle domestic and family violence

1:28

if elected on triple J.

1:30

You might remember a year

1:33

ago the Prime Minister declaring

1:35

a national crisis of violence

1:37

against women. But all this

1:39

time later women are still dying

1:41

and a lot of people have

1:43

been asking why has this not

1:45

been a bigger issue in the

1:47

election campaign? Well today the

1:49

coalition announced a 90 million

1:52

dollar domestic violence strategy promising

1:54

to start a national database

1:57

of offenders. So would this

1:59

work? do experts think? Ariana Lachete

2:01

has been looking into it. Today we're

2:04

announcing a suite of new measures. New

2:06

measures amounting to $90 million for further

2:08

initiatives for the prevention of family, domestic

2:11

and sexual violence. $90 million. That's how

2:13

much funding the coalition is adding to

2:15

its domestic violence strategy, if it wins

2:18

the Saturday after next. So what's the

2:20

money going on? Here's Liberal Senator Michaelia

2:22

Cash. We will invest and build a

2:24

National Domestic Violence Register. This is all

2:27

about ensuring that our police and relevant

2:29

agencies have the relevant information that they

2:31

need on a person's domestic violence convictions.

2:34

Yep, the big reveal is a national

2:36

database of domestic violence perpetrators. It won't

2:38

be available to the public, but police

2:40

plus child protection and firearms agencies would

2:43

be able to access it. And the

2:45

coalition also plans to introduce new laws

2:47

for perpetrators who use mobile phones to

2:50

instil fear and violence. A person who

2:52

uses, for example a mobile phone or

2:54

another computer device, to make an intimate

2:56

partner or family member fear for their

2:59

safety if you are installing, for example

3:01

spyware. to track someone that will also

3:03

become an offense under a Peter Dutton

3:06

government. You're concerned you've left things too

3:08

late to switch people's minds? A year

3:10

ago the Prime Minister Anthony Albanese declared

3:12

violence against women a national crisis. Once

3:15

every four days a woman is murdered.

3:17

That is a national crisis. It's a

3:19

scourge and it's a stain on our

3:22

nation. But people have been saying domestic

3:24

violence doesn't seem like a big priority

3:26

this election. Why do you think domestic

3:28

and family violence is barely featured in

3:31

this campaign? Earlier this week Labour announced

3:33

a plan that focuses on... ending financial

3:35

abuse. It's also committing $8.6 million to

3:38

monitor high-risk perpetrators with ankle bracelets and

3:40

for early intervention and behaviour change programmes.

3:42

Katie Gallagher is the Minister for Women.

3:44

Of course we want to see less

3:47

women murdered. I mean it breaks my

3:49

heart and I know so many others

3:51

around the country when we go online

3:54

or open a newspaper and see yet

3:56

another report of a woman who has

3:58

lost her life. Sydney mother kidnapped in

4:01

front of her terrified children, then murdered.

4:03

A woman has died and a man

4:05

has been arrested after a series of

4:07

car crashes and a related shooting on

4:10

a Queensland highway. The headlines lately have

4:12

been grim. The counting dead women group

4:14

estimates 14 women have died violently in

4:17

Australia this year. and some other trackers

4:19

have even higher estimates. It's absolutely devastating.

4:21

I think there's a deep collective grief

4:23

and rage really right now. Dr. Emma

4:26

Fulu is the founder and co-ce CEO

4:28

of the Equality Institute, an organisation that

4:30

promotes gender equality and the prevention of

4:33

violence against women and girls. She reckons

4:35

these announcements are coming way too late

4:37

and don't go far enough. It just

4:39

feels like... The lives of women and

4:42

the lives of marginalized communities aren't valued

4:44

in our society and aren't considered to

4:46

be a priority. What about today's news?

4:49

Dr. Fulu reckons the coalition's policy is

4:51

too focused on crime. Less than 2%

4:53

of actual offenders are going to come

4:55

into contact with the justice system. And

4:58

so we really actually need a much

5:00

more holistic solution that tries to stop

5:02

violence before it happens. She says investment

5:05

in behavior change programs and justice responses

5:07

is a good thing, but early prevention

5:09

shouldn't be ignored. We're talking about shifting

5:11

long-held deeply entrenched embedded social norms and

5:14

tackling inequality. So I get that that's

5:16

hard. I just want to see more

5:18

investment in the national plan and not

5:21

just patching holes in a system that

5:23

really hasn't been working. Hack on Triple

5:25

J. Are you on a Lecente reporting

5:27

there? We are going to move on

5:30

now. We're still talking about the election

5:32

though. HAC. Polling suggests a genuine possibility

5:34

of a hung parliament, meaning the next

5:37

government may depend on the support of

5:39

just a handful of independence. On AAAJ.

5:41

Yeah, whenever we talk about labour, the

5:44

Liberals, nationals, the Greens, the Greens, a

5:46

lot of you ask, what about the

5:48

independence? And it's clear so many of

5:50

you are planning to vote independent this

5:53

election if you haven't already. We know

5:55

at the last election a third of

5:57

people voted for someone other than Labour

6:00

or the coalition. So with more younger

6:02

voters this time around, what is that

6:04

going to mean for the independent movement?

6:06

And what sets them apart from the

6:09

major parties? What do you need to

6:11

know? Shalala Medor explains. It was pretty

6:13

cold and rainy in Canberra last night,

6:16

but this theatre at the Australian National

6:18

University still got packed out with students

6:20

wanting to hear from independent Senator David

6:22

Pocock. This election is really consequential for

6:25

our democracy. It's an opportunity to have

6:27

a big enough cross-bench to actually create

6:29

a level playing field when it comes

6:32

to elections. David Pocock is campaigning for

6:34

re-election as one of two senators representing

6:36

the ACT. He says the two-party system

6:38

has left voters in a cycle of

6:41

short-term decision-making, and young people want more

6:43

than that. We don't want to head

6:45

towards the US model where you have

6:48

two choices. A cross-bench and minor parties,

6:50

independence, I think is great for our

6:52

democracy. At the last election, around one-third

6:54

of people voted for someone who wasn't

6:57

in a major party. Young people are

6:59

the least likely to vote for labour

7:01

or the coalition, that is the liberal

7:04

and national parties. And this election is

7:06

the first where millennials and Genzi outnumber

7:08

older voters. A lot of students at

7:10

this forum say they're interested in what

7:13

independence have to offer. But among our

7:15

generation, I feel a broken of trust

7:17

between like... bigger parties and I think

7:20

you know independence have been able to

7:22

like kind of build that trust. So

7:24

it's interesting to see how sort of

7:27

more conservative liberal parties targeting that sort

7:29

of boom our era whilst these new

7:31

guys are coming through and tailing their

7:33

policies a bit more to us. I

7:36

feel like it can be easier for

7:38

younger generations to fall into what their

7:40

parents vote for which is usually major

7:43

parties but I think it's important to

7:45

learn about independence because it can change

7:47

a lot. It's important to point out

7:49

here that there are a lot of

7:52

different types of people running as independence.

7:54

You've got your veterans, like Andrew Wilkie,

7:56

who's held on to his seat in

7:59

Hobart since 2010 and turned it into

8:01

the second safest seat in the country.

8:03

And I'm basically putting myself out there

8:05

and asking the community to judge me

8:08

and to tell me whether I've done

8:10

a good job or not. And there

8:12

are also non-major party MPs like Bob

8:15

Catering Queensland. Let there be a thousand

8:17

blossoms boom. and Tasmanian Jackie Lambie who

8:19

said this election is her last go-around.

8:21

I would have done 16 years and

8:24

I think that's more enough I think

8:26

that I'm getting old by then. You've

8:28

got independence who represent the regions like

8:31

Helen Haynes in northeast Victoria. We've got

8:33

a story to tell in the regions

8:35

and it's one where we've got bright,

8:37

talented people doing amazing things. Or represent

8:40

communities that feel forgotten by major parties

8:42

like Western Sydney MP Diley. I'm a

8:44

centre pragmatic member of our community. There

8:47

are plenty of candidates trying to unseat

8:49

major party MPs this election too, like

8:51

Dr Ziyad Bassini who's standing against senior

8:53

minister Tony Burke over Labour's position on

8:56

Gaza. We cannot subscribe to that idea,

8:58

the lesser of two evils. An X

9:00

triple J presenter Alex Dyson, who's running

9:03

against veteran liberal MP Dan Tian in

9:05

southwest Victoria. Just leaving the AEC where

9:07

the ballot draw happened. Then you've got

9:10

independence who used to be... in one

9:12

of the big parties, but either left

9:14

or got kicked out, like Fatima Payman,

9:16

who isn't up for re-election this time

9:19

around. That's not even taking into account

9:21

the teal independence who are seeking re-election.

9:23

A group of women from mostly wealthy

9:26

suburban electorates, who all campaigned on climate

9:28

change, the treatment of women, and restoring

9:30

integrity in parliament. Allegra spender is one

9:32

of them. I'm running a positive campaign

9:35

and that is what Australians want to

9:37

see. Some experts reckon we could see

9:39

an even greater number of independence and

9:42

minor parties get elected. Running against David

9:44

Pocock in the ACT the Labour Finance

9:46

Minister Katie Gallagher thinks no politician should

9:48

take anything for granted. I don't believe

9:51

in anything like a safe seat. I

9:53

don't think anyone should. Every seat there's

9:55

a hundred and fifty six contests going

9:58

on around the country. I think this

10:00

election will be closed. This is hack.

10:02

on Triple J. Shalala Madora reporting there,

10:04

hearing from you on the text line,

10:07

Adam in Queensland says I'm voting for

10:09

an independent because the LNP have ignored

10:11

us forever and Labour doesn't even try.

10:14

So Adam, he knows he's voting for

10:16

another person, says independence do get funding,

10:18

but not as much from lobbyists as

10:20

the major parties. Look, let's unpack some

10:23

of that now with an independent candidate.

10:25

Someone who's standing on the Gold Coast,

10:27

O'Connor, Murray Bartlett, is trying to win

10:30

the seat of Macpherson, which covers the

10:32

southern end of the G.C. and she's

10:34

with us now, O'Connor, welcome to hack.

10:36

Thanks for having me, it's good to

10:39

be here. The electorate that you're hoping

10:41

to win has always been conservative, like

10:43

it's been held by Karen Andrews since

10:46

2010. She's retiring, a lot of people

10:48

are saying you are in with a

10:50

really good chance. How you're just over

10:52

a week out from the election. I'm

10:55

feeling really good. This is my first

10:57

political campaign. So it's the first time

10:59

I've seen, you know, behind the doors,

11:02

how exciting and intense it can get,

11:04

what, seven, eight days out from election.

11:06

day, but there's so much yellow around

11:09

the community at the moment. Yellow is

11:11

the color that we're wearing and you

11:13

know there's people honking at me as

11:15

they drive past and stopping you on

11:18

the streets to talk about you know

11:20

what matters to them and I can

11:22

just feel the energy in the electorate.

11:25

It's so exciting. I want to know

11:27

what made you want to take this

11:29

on like what was it that really

11:31

spurred you to get into politics and

11:34

think I think I can do this

11:36

I'm going to run. Well, I've always

11:38

been an advocate for positive change. Two

11:41

years ago, I ran the entire length

11:43

of Australia 150 marathons in 150 days

11:45

to raise much needed money for at-risk

11:47

Australian wildlife. So I think campaigning for

11:50

issues and causes that matter to the

11:52

community and to myself is just in

11:54

my blood. And so when the opportunity

11:57

arose to run for office, I actually

11:59

originally turned it down because I said,

12:01

look, I'm not a politician, this isn't

12:03

my background. But the more I thought

12:06

about it, and I thought, you know,

12:08

this is the same thing. It's rather

12:10

than raising money for organizations to, you

12:13

know, lobby government. It's going in yourself

12:15

and making that change. You're backed by

12:17

Climate 200, which is a political funding

12:19

firm. There might be people listening who

12:22

are thinking, well, you're not truly independent

12:24

because you're being backed by a group

12:26

that's bank rolling, all the other tails.

12:29

How do you respond to that? Well,

12:31

I like to explain what Climate 200

12:33

is, because there's actually a lot of

12:35

misinformation. And Climate 200 is a fundraising

12:38

body that essentially raises money from tens

12:40

of thousands of Australians who are concerned

12:42

on three core values, and those values

12:45

are climate. and equality and integrity. And

12:47

what they do is they fund candidates

12:49

who are already pre-existing who align with

12:52

those values. So they're not picking people

12:54

up from the street and funding them

12:56

to go. They're looking at these candidates

12:58

that already have, I guess, those value

13:01

alignments. And secondly, what I say is,

13:03

you know, it's stacked against independence. And

13:05

so what Climate 200 does is they

13:08

make sure that there's an even playing

13:10

field up against these major parties in

13:12

their endless war chests of funds. There's

13:14

also some big investors, there are wealthy

13:17

Australians behind Climate 200, it's not just

13:19

everyday Australians. Is that something that you've

13:21

been having to explain to people that

13:24

you get asked a lot about? Yeah,

13:26

and I look at the other independence

13:28

that I have been backed by Climate

13:30

200 and you look at the way

13:33

they vote and they don't vote the

13:35

same. Often they do, because they are

13:37

values aligned, but there's many circumstances where

13:40

they have voted with their community and

13:42

not with each other, and that's what

13:44

a community backed independent does. The biggest

13:46

priority is making sure that they're representing

13:49

the electorate. Is that why, though, you're

13:51

not kind of branding yourself as a

13:53

teal? Like you mentioned, you're using yellow

13:56

as a colour, not teal like the

13:58

others. Is it because you're vying for

14:00

this seat that has traditionally been very

14:02

conservative or conservative in the past and

14:05

you don't want to be mixed up

14:07

with that messaging? I think it's just

14:09

going to be linked. I mean, I'm

14:12

definitely not denying that I accept climate

14:14

200 funding. I think denying that would,

14:16

you know, light fuel to the fire.

14:18

I'm definitely proudly accepting climate 200 funding.

14:21

The reason we chose yellow is because

14:23

we are the Gold Coast and, you

14:25

know, we have this beautiful gold beaches.

14:28

So we just wanted to, you know,

14:30

have a color that represented the Gold

14:32

Coast. This is Hack. I'm Dave Marcasi

14:35

chatting with O'Connor, Murray Bartlett, an independent

14:37

candidate standing for Macpherson on the Gold

14:39

Coast, one of the many independents trying

14:41

to win a seat across the country

14:44

this federal election. Hearing from you on

14:46

the text line, someone says these brave

14:48

independence like O'Connor are the true heroes

14:51

of this election. People over parties, real-life

14:53

humans, you can actually trust, is someone's

14:55

opinion there, but someone else says anyone

14:57

who thinks the deals are independent are

15:00

kidding themselves. And nobody wins in a

15:02

hung Parliament. is someone's point of view

15:04

there. Okana, what are the big issues

15:07

that are important to you this election?

15:09

Like, what are you campaigning on? If

15:11

you're elected, what are you going to

15:13

be pushing for? I mean, it's a

15:16

cost of living election, but what I'm

15:18

hearing in our community is housing. for

15:20

it to buy and you know the

15:23

affordability of buying your first home or

15:25

the mortgage repayments but also renting. You

15:27

know McPherson where I live on the

15:29

Southern Gold Coast is now one of

15:32

the most expensive electorates to live in.

15:34

The Pristart report came out recently and

15:36

said you'd have to be earning a

15:39

hundred and thirty thousand dollars per year

15:41

to comfortably live here and the median

15:43

house price is one point four million

15:45

dollars. So I'm of the generation who

15:48

left university with a very hefty to

15:50

purchase a home. 7.5 times my average

15:52

annual salary, you know, come from a

15:55

parents who have had free education and

15:57

bought a home at 3.5 times their

15:59

annual salary. So housing is absolutely the

16:01

number one thing that we need here

16:04

and I'll be very much pushing for

16:06

a national housing and homelessness plan to

16:08

make sure that decisions that are being

16:11

made representing everyone from renters to, you

16:13

know, the vulnerable to homeowners to make

16:15

sure that we have a long-term sustainable

16:18

solutions to the housing crisis. Have you

16:20

been speaking to any of the other

16:22

independent candidates in the later? Like people

16:24

like Alex Dyson, are you calling and

16:27

trying to really pump each other up?

16:29

Get ready for the election? Alex is

16:31

a mate. So yes, we've been giving

16:34

each other the occasional thumbs up. Wow,

16:36

we both drew our number one on

16:38

the ballot box, which we're pretty excited

16:40

about because there are a, you know,

16:43

a small percentage of the population that

16:45

walks in and just goes one, two,

16:47

five, six, nine, nine, nine, ten of

16:50

the population that walks in and just

16:52

goes one, two, five, six, nine, nine,

16:54

ten, nine, ten, nine, ten, nine, eleven,

16:56

eleven, four, four, four, four, four, four,

16:59

four, four, four, four, four, four, four,

17:01

four, four, four, four, four, four, four,

17:03

four, four, four, four, four, four, four,

17:06

four, four, four, four, four, four, four,

17:08

four, four, four, four, four, four, four,

17:10

four, four, four, four, four, four, four,

17:12

four, four, four, four, four, four, four,

17:15

four, four, There's a bit of support

17:17

going on just from, yeah, a few

17:19

mates. What do you reckon is more

17:22

daunting, sitting in question time or running

17:24

150 marathons back to back? Well, yeah,

17:26

on that, everybody's asked what's harder, a

17:28

political campaign or 150 marathons, and honestly,

17:31

I think it's the campaign. But I

17:33

think, you know, I want to restore

17:35

kindness. We don't have to shout each

17:38

other. We can get things done through

17:40

robust conversation. So, you know, I haven't

17:42

been to Parliament, so I have watched

17:44

videos of how intense it can be,

17:47

but I just plan to steer my

17:49

path and just keep to my values

17:51

and keep to our communities values and

17:54

just get stuff done. Well, look, thank

17:56

you very much for agreeing to have

17:58

a bit of a chat with us.

18:01

You got a big few days ahead

18:03

of you, but we appreciate your making

18:05

time. Independent candidate, Akana Murray Bartlett. Thanks

18:07

for coming on hack. Thanks for having

18:10

me. And so many messages on the

18:12

text line coming through, someone says, let's

18:14

go, independence, the two-party system is old,

18:17

just like stale bread, more women in

18:19

politics, please. Another person though says I

18:21

think that the independence are just liberal

18:23

light. Someone else says Ellie Smith, the

18:26

independent in Peter Dutton, seat of Dixon

18:28

will be a massive improvement is someone

18:30

who's confident that you know Ellie could

18:33

be successful there and another person says

18:35

I never see myself reflected in politics

18:37

like they do in the USA. Representation

18:39

matters in politics too. Look something else

18:42

that we are getting asked a lot

18:44

about in the run up to this

18:46

election is preference. because it can be

18:49

confusing, daunting, maybe you think you've got

18:51

it down pat, you've understood it in

18:53

your head, then you talk to someone

18:55

and they explain it a different way.

18:58

Let's ask someone who knows a lot

19:00

about this, get a bit of an

19:02

explainer and the person who does know

19:05

a lot about it is of course,

19:07

acts political reporter Shalala Madora. She's with

19:09

us now, Shalala, thanks for coming on.

19:11

My pleasure Dave. Can you give us

19:14

a bit of an explanation about how

19:16

preferences work? Yeah so preferences refers to

19:18

our voting system in Australia which is

19:21

called preferential voting. Essentially what it means

19:23

is that you the voter have the

19:25

power to choose all the candidates you

19:27

like in order of who you like

19:30

the most to who you like the

19:32

least. So in the House of Representatives

19:34

you have a ballot paper let's say

19:37

you have five candidates on that ballot

19:39

as an example you number them one

19:41

to five entirely up. to you and

19:44

who you like the most to the

19:46

least. system what happens is if no

19:48

one candidate has a majority first up

19:50

the person with the least amount of

19:53

votes their votes get redistributed according to

19:55

who the people on those ballots have

19:57

put as their second preference. So that

20:00

keeps going until a candidate reaches a

20:02

majority in the House of Reps. In

20:04

the Senate it's pretty similar but instead

20:06

of having to reach a majority, senators

20:09

have to reach what's called a quota

20:11

and that depends on how many senators

20:13

your state or territory elects. And also

20:16

in the Senate there are heaps and

20:18

heaps of candidates and heaps and heaps

20:20

and heaps of parties so you don't

20:22

have to number every single box like

20:25

you do in the House of representatives.

20:27

But I just want to reiterate like

20:29

thousand times if I can that in

20:32

our system of voting the power of

20:34

who your preferences go to are entirely

20:36

up to you and you should remember

20:38

that you alone as a voter can

20:41

determine who you like the most and

20:43

who you like the least. It's a

20:45

really important point Shalala. Can you also

20:48

explain what do politicians mean when they

20:50

talk about... preference deals because that is

20:52

another term that often gets thrown around.

20:54

What does it mean? Yeah, I think

20:57

this really trips people up because they

20:59

assume when they hear preference deal that

21:01

if you vote for one candidate and

21:04

they don't get in it it's going

21:06

to go to someone else but they

21:08

don't get in it's going to go

21:10

to someone else. But actually what preference

21:13

deals refer to are how to vote

21:15

cards. These are these little bits of

21:17

paper that you get when you go

21:20

into a polling. the Greens here's who

21:22

we suggest you put down as your

21:24

second third fourth preference. These are totally...

21:27

voluntary. You do not have to follow

21:29

a how to vote card. They are

21:31

completely voluntary. You do not have to

21:33

follow according to how a party wants

21:36

you to. Okay, so they can be

21:38

really influential, but no one's forcing you

21:40

to do it. No one's telling you

21:43

you have to vote that way. Exactly.

21:45

The idea of wasting your vote is

21:47

another thing we hear a lot about.

21:49

Voting this way means you've wasted a

21:52

vote or be careful not to vote.

21:54

waste your vote. Do you have anything

21:56

to say regarding that? Like is it

21:59

possible to waste your vote in our

22:01

electoral system? Look, I also hear that

22:03

a lot and what I would say

22:05

is In this day and age, there's

22:08

actually no such thing as a safe

22:10

seat anymore. We've seen prime ministers unseated

22:12

by independence in this country in recent

22:15

years. So anything is possible. And the

22:17

idea that if you vote for someone

22:19

who doesn't get in means you're wasting

22:21

a vote, I don't think that holds

22:24

water anymore. The only way you really

22:26

can waste a vote inverted commerce in

22:28

Australia is if you cast what's called

22:31

an informal ballot. That is, if it's

22:33

a blank ballot entirely, if you haven't

22:35

number. the all of the boxes or

22:37

if you put ticks and crosses in

22:40

they're not counted so that is wasting

22:42

a vote but I do want to

22:44

let listeners know that if you do

22:47

a donkey vote so if you vote

22:49

in your ballot, one, two, say, five

22:51

in that example, that's called a donkey

22:53

vote and that does count. So that

22:56

is counted in the tally room. So

22:58

just be careful if you think a

23:00

donkey vote, you know, is informal because

23:03

it's not. Also, we often hear people

23:05

saying, I got in there and I

23:07

just drew dick and balls on a

23:10

ballot. If you fill out a ballot

23:12

properly with all the boxes and then

23:14

you draw a chicken balls, hey. your

23:16

vote's still going to count. The AEC

23:19

tells us that you're still going to

23:21

count. So yeah, there are very few

23:23

ways in Australia where you can actually

23:26

waste your vote. Look, it's all good

23:28

stuff to know as we head up

23:30

to the election, because it's only a

23:32

bit over a week away. Everyone's going

23:35

to be doing it. We appreciate you

23:37

coming on, giving us a bit of

23:39

an explanation. Shalala Madhora, thanks for your

23:42

time. Yes, I welcome. And so many

23:44

messages still coming through on independence. Someone

23:46

says the Gold Coast has been taken

23:48

for granted as a safe seat forever.

23:51

Safe seats get short changed, which is

23:53

something we've been hearing a lot on

23:55

our election road trip, actually. Keep keeping

23:58

on our election road trip that hacked

24:00

the future trip where we're kicking on

24:02

next week and we're gonna be in

24:04

Newcastle and the hunter region on Monday.

24:07

So if you are in Newcastle, you're

24:09

in the hunter, the upper hunter, the

24:11

lower hunter, you want to have a

24:14

chat to us? Hit us up on

24:16

Instagram because we're going to be there

24:18

over the weekend talking to people ahead

24:20

of Monday show and we want to

24:23

hear from you. What kind of issues

24:25

are important to you? A lot of

24:27

other messages we're getting through. Someone says

24:30

I think a hung parliament will force

24:32

the major parties to negotiate to get

24:34

policy past and someone else says parties

24:36

do have a role as a member

24:39

of the labor party. There have been

24:41

many instances where having a state conference

24:43

and other systems have kept elected representatives

24:46

honest. Hack. Lately, social media is really

24:48

reminiscent of these early 2000s body types

24:50

on AAAJ. Do you remember the first

24:53

post you made on Instagram? Probably something

24:55

you wouldn't do today. The app has

24:57

been around for a while. We know

24:59

it is where a lot of fitness

25:02

influences started breaking through, creating health empires,

25:04

fitness plans that would guarantee you the

25:06

perfect body. And a lot of young

25:09

people got around these. Maybe you followed

25:11

one of these guides. Do you remember

25:13

being obsessed with one particular fitness influencer?

25:15

message in0439 757 triple 5. The impact

25:18

of some of that advice lingers. Something

25:20

you heard as a teenager still sits

25:22

with you, it affects the way you

25:25

think about yourself. Reporter Hannah Murphy actually

25:27

gave three guides to leading nutritionists and

25:29

exercise physiologists and here's what they had

25:31

to say. On the banks

25:34

of the East River in New

25:36

York, hundreds of women in active

25:38

wear are milling outside an exclusive

25:40

gym. The cue snakes for blocks.

25:42

Everyone's here to see Ozzy influencer

25:44

Kayla Edsenes. I don't know, I

25:47

think I've grown with you guys

25:49

and I feel like we're a

25:51

team. I don't feel like it's

25:53

me standing up here. I feel

25:55

like it's us together working out

25:57

and that's really special to me.

25:59

Edzienes is the creator of the

26:02

bikiniini body guide, which she first

26:04

developed in 2014. She first developed

26:06

in 2014. can still remember coming

26:08

across Until things started going wrong,

26:10

SAGE records she developed a really

26:12

obsessive and unhealthy relationship with food.

26:14

I remember I would take my

26:17

meal prep to Christmas and I

26:19

went to an engagement party and

26:21

took my meal prep with me

26:23

as well. And looking back, I

26:25

just feel so sad for myself.

26:27

It's not just it seen us.

26:29

Influences As she binds and Sarah

26:31

Stavinson, also known as Sarah's Day,

26:34

were also really big in the

26:36

2010s. Today's video is going to

26:38

be about getting a flat stomach.

26:40

So if you're planning on wearing

26:42

a really body-con type dress on

26:44

a Saturday night, I recommend starting

26:46

this juice on a Thursday. I

26:49

find that most girls, you know,

26:51

they're really good on a Monday,

26:53

Tuesday, Wednesday, maybe Thursday, Friday in

26:55

the weekend hits, it's all out

26:57

the window. What have we learned?

26:59

I gave the Health and Nutrition

27:01

Guides from its venous, binds and

27:04

Stevenson to some of Australia's top

27:06

nutritionists, exercise physiologists and educators on

27:08

eating disorders. Here's what UWA researcher

27:10

Dr Amanda Salas had to say.

27:12

My overall impression of the three

27:14

guidelines is that One would need

27:16

a fair degree of health literacy

27:19

to be able to read between

27:21

the lines in these guides and

27:23

not feel bad about oneself. You

27:25

might notice we're not actually telling

27:27

you what's in the guides. That's

27:29

because behaviour is recommended by all

27:31

three influences in the original editions

27:33

of their guides have been flagged

27:36

by two of Australia's leading bodies

27:38

on eating disorder education and prevention.

27:40

Amanda can see why. An 18

27:42

to 25 year old young person.

27:44

would not have that level of

27:46

health literacy to be able to

27:48

know, oh, this is a red

27:51

flag, that's a red flag. Dr.

27:53

Ben Singh, as an exercise physiologist

27:55

at UNISA, he looked at the

27:57

exercise sections of the programs. I

27:59

don't want to sort of paint

28:01

such a negative picture on programs

28:03

like these and influences like this.

28:06

I mean, they've had a tremendous

28:08

impact in inspiring a lot of

28:10

individuals, getting a lot of individuals

28:12

active and reaching sort of a

28:14

large population level. But he reckons

28:16

they need to be approached with

28:18

caution. an individual who's trying to

28:21

start exercising. They sort of need

28:23

that individual guidance. It's very hard

28:25

to find a one-size-fits-all approach when

28:27

we're talking about exercise programs. Amanda

28:29

looked at the nutrition advice. Well,

28:31

one of those multiple red flags

28:33

was vilification of normal staple foods.

28:35

I also approached the influences themselves

28:38

for this story given it's been

28:40

over a decade since they published

28:42

their e-books. Kaylor at Sinus declined

28:44

to comment and Sarah's day didn't

28:46

respond. As she bine said her

28:48

approach has never been calorie counting

28:50

but encouraging a healthy lifestyle. Sage

28:53

is now 27 and she works

28:55

as an eating disorder recovery coach.

28:57

She's also the mom of a

28:59

little girl. I can't wait to

29:01

teach her everything that I wish

29:03

I knew back when I was

29:05

younger. And she says her own

29:08

healing will take time. You always

29:10

have that little voice in the

29:12

back of your head that's kind

29:14

of black. Then we should be

29:16

small law and baby. We should

29:18

track our calories. So I think

29:20

I would probably say I'm healing,

29:23

probably close to healed. Pack on

29:25

Triple J. On Triple J. Hannah

29:28

Murphy reporting there and a reminder if you do need

29:30

any support if that has raised anything for you the

29:32

Butterfly Foundation is always there on 1-800-ed-hope 1-800-3-4-6-7-3 some messages

29:34

bringing back some memories Dakota says yeah what a joke

29:37

anyone can wear a bloody bikini and someone else says

29:39

yeah Ashley Bines this is bringing back some memories Look,

29:41

that's all we've got time for on hack for now.

29:43

Before we go, a reminder, we're going to be off

29:46

for Anzac Day. tomorrow we will be

29:48

back on on Monday our hack

29:50

to the future to the future

29:52

for the election the election I'm

29:55

so excited about it please about

29:57

me up me up on Instagram hit

29:59

us know who should we

30:01

talk to we talk to the things

30:03

we should do should mean

30:06

it's not we're not going

30:08

there for fun we're going

30:10

there for a real reason

30:12

so what are the what

30:15

are the people we should the

30:17

about the election issues we should

30:19

talk to we'll make sure we

30:21

get on top of make sure

30:23

we get on top of it