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3:23

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3:25

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3:27

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3:29

Things, her music, once upon a

3:31

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3:33

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3:35

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3:37

kind of Hollywood royalty, like come

3:39

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3:41

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3:43

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3:45

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3:47

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3:49

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3:51

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3:53

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3:55

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3:57

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4:02

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4:26

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4:28

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4:30

everybody? Thank you guys so much

4:32

for coming out tonight. How great

4:34

is this movie? Inside out too.

4:36

Come on guys, give it up.

4:38

Not only do you get to

4:40

see this wonderful movie on the

4:42

big screen tonight, but whether you

4:44

know it or not, you're inside

4:46

my podcast right now. This is

4:49

a live taping of Happy, Sad,

4:51

Confused. And we have a first-time

4:53

guest on the show, someone I

4:55

want to have for a long

4:57

while. assembled quite a career. Mya

4:59

Hawk, Ms. Mya Hawk. In addition

5:01

to being the voice of anxiety

5:03

in this ginormously entertaining beautiful film,

5:05

you know her from her amazing

5:07

music from Stranger Things, from Once

5:09

Upon A Time, in Hollywood. So

5:11

much great work to discuss tonight.

5:13

We're going to dig into all

5:15

of it and your questions. Please

5:17

give a warm New York welcome

5:19

to New Yorker. Mya Hawk, everybody.

5:21

Come on. There she is. Hi,

5:32

Maya. How are you? I'm doing okay.

5:34

Are you good? Yeah, really, swell. You

5:36

have a lot to be swell about

5:39

because this movie, I didn't even mention

5:41

the numbers. I could just exhaust everybody

5:43

with numbers. I did well. Is that

5:45

what you're saying? It did really well.

5:48

I take no credit. I mean, that's

5:50

it's all you. No, I really don't

5:52

think so. I'm just going to say

5:54

it for the sake of folks that

5:57

don't know it. I think about $1.

5:59

Not that that matters, but it's a

6:01

nice thing still. Highest grossing animated film.

6:03

I didn't make that money. Making sure

6:05

that that's out there. No, you need

6:08

to renegotiate your contract. Highs grossing, animated

6:10

film of all time, and a Oscar

6:12

nominee for Best Animated Feature. So, congrats

6:14

all around. Thank you. Do you get

6:17

a ticket to the Oscars? Are you

6:19

going? No. I mean. I'm so excited

6:21

that this movie is nominated because getting

6:23

to be a part of something that

6:26

I really believe in, like that I

6:28

also think has had a power of

6:30

good, is so moving and important and

6:32

getting to be a part of these

6:35

kinds of screenings and celebrations of the

6:37

movie and watching people watch it and

6:39

react to it and hear their feedback.

6:41

It just is. so special to me

6:43

and the honor in and of itself.

6:46

There is a generation, arguably there will

6:48

be multiple generations that know you. as

6:50

the personification of anxiety. How does that

6:52

sit with you, that you are the

6:55

living embodiment of anxiety for the future

6:57

generations of children? You know, that sits

6:59

with me great, because I think with

7:01

the way that the movie ends, it's

7:04

giving kids a warmer relationship to their

7:06

anxiety. So that's with me great. Doing

7:08

interviews and press and people saying to

7:10

me, so you're a really anxious person.

7:13

does not sit with me that well.

7:15

That I'm like, no, I'm an actor.

7:17

It feels like sometimes the whole world

7:19

has forgotten what being an actor is

7:22

that you can pretend to do things.

7:24

It's really funny. But the kids, knowing

7:26

me as anxiety and as their warm-friendly

7:28

anxiety, that's there to protect them. And

7:30

they just need to get to know

7:33

a little bit better. That sits with

7:35

me really well. Has your voice itself

7:37

been recognized by children yet? Has any

7:39

child said, wait that voice sounds really

7:42

familiar? on screen. It's hard to know.

7:44

People do recognize me by my voice

7:46

all the time. Like I often have

7:48

people like hear me talking, I also

7:51

talk really loud. But hear me talking

7:53

to someone and then double back and

7:55

turn around and be like, hey. But

7:57

I, hard to know whether or not

8:00

that's stranger things or anxiety or whatever

8:02

it is. Do you like your voice?

8:04

It's served you very well in music

8:06

and acting. Where are you out with

8:08

your own voice? I mean, I like

8:11

my voice enough that I elected not

8:13

to get a vocal nodule removal procedure

8:15

that would have made my life and

8:17

singing a little bit easier because I

8:20

heard it would potentially change the tamper

8:22

of my voice. So I guess I

8:24

do like my voice. That was a

8:26

choice. At some point, that was a

8:29

discussion. That was a discussion. But I

8:31

do like it. I mean, whenever you

8:33

hear your own voice back, especially if

8:35

it's not from a performance, like if

8:38

you just are not from a performance,

8:40

like, like, I love to get that

8:42

comic card. It's like, oh, I hate

8:44

my voice. But when I'm speaking intentionally

8:47

and know I'm being heard, I like

8:49

my voice. So was something like this

8:51

a conscious or unconscious thing on the

8:53

list of things that you wanted to

8:55

do in a career? Pixar knows how

8:58

to do it right. Were you a

9:00

Pixar kid? I was a total Pixar

9:02

kid and I mean working on something

9:04

like this was such a big dream

9:07

I didn't almost didn't even dare to

9:09

dream it you know um but I

9:11

mean it's always been an ambition of

9:13

mine to enter the voice acting space

9:16

I really think there's a freedom from

9:18

your body and from the way people

9:20

see you that acting you know in

9:22

an animation or in a podcast or

9:25

just you know a radio play offers

9:27

you this liberation from your physical form

9:29

that is so exciting and I've always

9:31

wanted to get into that. But Pixar

9:33

is pretty much the Crem de la

9:36

Crem of that work, in my opinion.

9:38

And so it's a dream beyond dreaming.

9:40

Do you cry more from the beginning

9:42

of Up or the death of Bing

9:45

Bong in itself? I cried so much

9:47

at the death. the bingong I like

9:49

couldn't watch the movie again. Like I

9:51

was like, this is, but I'm so

9:54

fragile, like I had nightmares from watching

9:56

Ghostbusters. I am an extremely tender, tender,

9:58

fragile creature that is like, this is,

10:00

why did it, I thought it was

10:03

for kids, it's so upsetting, why did

10:05

it have to be so upsetting? But

10:07

the beginning of Up is so sad

10:09

and it's like crying, but maybe because

10:12

it's the beginning and you're still getting

10:14

to know the characters, I can survive

10:16

it a little bit better. So I

10:18

was going to ask you, were you

10:20

an emotional kid? You just answered the

10:23

question. I was a real emotional girl,

10:25

as Randy Newman would have said. That

10:27

joke was for very particular people in

10:29

this audience, clearly. But the six people

10:32

that got it loved it. So how

10:34

did that impact the kinds of entertainment

10:36

your parents exposed you to? Did they

10:38

keep stuff from you? Or were they,

10:41

knowing that this could really hit young

10:43

Maya hard? They might say this differently.

10:45

I didn't ask, until my teen years,

10:47

I didn't ask to be exposed to

10:50

a lot that they would feel the

10:52

need to protect me from. Do you

10:54

know what I mean? I wasn't reaching

10:56

for the horror movie. You were self-sensory?

10:58

You were like, I don't need to

11:01

go beyond my... I was a bit

11:03

self-sensory. I mean, for example, I broke

11:05

my mother's lipstick once and came to

11:07

her with it holding it crying, and

11:10

she was like, it's okay, it's okay,

11:12

it's okay, it's fine. I need a

11:14

time, I need a time, I need

11:16

a time, I need a time, I

11:19

need a time, I need a, I

11:21

need a time, I need a, I

11:23

need a time, I need a, I

11:25

need a time, I need to, I

11:28

need a, I need a, I need

11:30

a, I need a, I need a,

11:32

I need a, I need a, I

11:34

need a, I need a, I need

11:37

to, I've done something really wrong. So

11:39

my moral compass was pretty well adjusted

11:41

until the ninth grade, and then it

11:43

went completely off the rails, and good

11:45

luck censoring me. Well, I mean, so

11:48

let's get into kind of early influences.

11:50

Obviously, your parents, very well-known actors, very

11:52

accomplished actors. To ask them, would they

11:54

have said that it was inevitable that

11:57

you would have pursued this? Was this

11:59

something you talked about openly right from

12:01

the get-go? I think so. I mean,

12:03

I was fortunate enough to grow up

12:06

in such a creative community where the

12:08

making of, and I wish this for

12:10

all kids, where the making of art.

12:12

and the participation in art kind of

12:15

ran like water. And it didn't even

12:17

seem like a choice or something that

12:19

made you special or different. It was

12:21

like, what are we doing on a

12:23

Sunday? We're putting on an audiobook and

12:26

we're watercoloring. Like, you know, like, it

12:28

was, what are we doing on a

12:30

Saturday night? We're going to, like, what

12:32

are we doing on a Saturday night?

12:35

We're going to, like, the participation in

12:37

the arts was full throttle. For my

12:39

whole life, so my whole. I think,

12:41

but until I was a little bit

12:44

older, but I definitely, I had my

12:46

own academic challenges and I think as

12:48

those became clearer and clearer, the refuge

12:50

and comfort I took in the arts

12:53

as something that I could do and

12:55

knew how to do that didn't get

12:57

graded on a, you know, didn't get

12:59

a letter grade, was extremely meaningful and

13:02

important. And then I think when they

13:04

started to know it was just when

13:06

I didn't stop, you know, when I

13:08

didn't start joining sports teams or. getting

13:10

spontaneously graded biology. I was always every

13:13

summer trying to go to acting camp

13:15

and theater camp and I was making

13:17

watercolor books and I was illustrating my

13:19

own novel that I'd written. I was

13:22

just like that, I was, I was

13:24

annoying. Let's, let's not be confused. This

13:26

is, I was in the irritating. an

13:28

extremely preachy person who was really interested

13:31

in saving the trees and also laminating

13:33

my own books of poetry and like

13:35

screen printing them and handing them out

13:37

to people. So I, and I, by

13:40

the way I do see the controversy

13:42

there, the trees, the books I was

13:44

making, I didn't see it at the

13:46

time, but my hypocrisy is clear to

13:48

me. So there was no act, you're,

13:51

because the act of rebellion. kind of

13:53

would have been to go the other

13:55

way arguably to be like I don't

13:57

have I have no interest in the

14:00

arts I'm gonna be a lawyer that

14:02

that would have been cool I mean

14:04

that would have been awesome I didn't

14:06

I didn't have the skills to rebel

14:09

in that way like I just wasn't

14:11

a success successful student really in any

14:13

way other than like you know every

14:15

report card was like incredible in class

14:18

participates wildly I haven't seen a homework

14:20

assignment in nine months but she's a

14:22

delight to have around so I so

14:24

there was kind of that but Yeah,

14:27

I wasn't, my rebellion was like, you

14:29

know, like emotional evisceration of people's character,

14:31

you know, like was like, just, it

14:33

wasn't, I can tear you apart, 13

14:35

years old. Yeah, it was like more

14:38

direct than the indirect rebellion of being

14:40

like, I'm a Republican, you know, like

14:42

I, uh, right, the Alex P. Keaton,

14:44

rebellion, that's, that's dating me, family ties,

14:47

sorry. So, so you didn't go, you

14:49

know, you know, pro, as it, as

14:51

it, as it, as it, as it,

14:53

17 years old and that's by virtue

14:56

of the fact that your parents basically

14:58

set the ground rules and said no

15:00

auditioning. It was outlawed. I mean I

15:02

think both my parents were child actors

15:05

which you know if you've looked into

15:07

that at all people seem to have

15:09

a bad time. 100% success rates as

15:11

human beings. Though that said I do

15:13

know many wonderful extremely talented people who

15:16

started young who have extraordinary Brilliant worth

15:18

ethics and and brilliant minds and have

15:20

wonderful social lives and healthy attitudes toward

15:22

themselves But it is really difficult and

15:25

I think that they wanted to give

15:27

me space to be a private person

15:29

and I think that's even what you

15:31

know one of the benefits of school

15:34

is getting, and even whether it's acting

15:36

school or art school or regular school,

15:38

is getting to experiment with pushing the

15:40

limits of your capacity without getting reviewed

15:43

for it, you know, like getting let's

15:45

say play, like, you know, I played

15:47

the artful dodger in a high school

15:49

play and I wouldn't get cast as

15:52

the artful dodger in life, but I

15:54

got to do that and find that

15:56

person in my body and no one

15:58

had to review me for it. And

16:00

thank God, you know. So yeah. What

16:03

about in terms of, like, if I

16:05

saw your, the posters on your wall

16:07

as a kid, what film or TV,

16:09

actors, movies, were you obsessed with? Were

16:12

you Harry Potter, Twilight? What were you,

16:14

what were your franchises? What were your

16:16

things? I was very into Hannah Montana.

16:18

Very, very, that was my big poster.

16:21

Thank you. Friends. I was a Disney

16:23

kid in a big way. I was

16:25

a big Disney kid. But then I

16:27

also loved the Wrinkle and Time series

16:30

and the Golden Compass series. And I

16:32

loved the Tree Girls in Brooklyn. And

16:34

I like, there was a lot, I

16:36

went to school, I ended up, I

16:38

went. I got kicked out of or

16:41

asked to leave. The elementary school that

16:43

I was at and sent to a

16:45

school for kids with learning disabilities. As

16:47

I said, I was slightly academically challenged.

16:50

And it was an hour drive. They

16:52

now have Winward is a wonderful place

16:54

for kids with dyslexia and all kinds

16:56

of different learning differences. But they now

16:59

have one in the city, but there

17:01

used to not be. And so I

17:03

would drive an hour in the morning.

17:05

Myself, no just kidding. I would get

17:08

driven an hour in the morning to

17:10

this school and an hour back home

17:12

and that's really where my love of

17:14

books came in because I would listen

17:17

to audio books. I mean I'm audio

17:19

books are my like life and I

17:21

would listen to them to and from

17:23

school and that's where I got a

17:25

lot of my reading done and then

17:28

and then at home I was a

17:30

Disney Disney kid and a food network

17:32

kid but always goes hand in hand

17:34

in hand. Did you dress up as

17:37

any characters Halloween like any memorable? characters

17:39

you really were obsessed with? My most

17:41

memorable Halloween I dressed as a parrot.

17:43

Sure. Because I wanted to and and

17:46

it was this is just I now

17:48

they write it up I know it's

17:50

not really connected what you're talking about

17:52

but it's a sad and lovely story.

17:55

My mom made me this beautiful parrot

17:57

costume and she like glued on every

17:59

multi-colored feather to these angel wings and

18:01

like glued them onto this dress and

18:03

it was so beautiful but it was

18:06

the first year that girls started dressing

18:08

like sexy police officers. And I came

18:10

in my like feather-covered multi-colored nightgown with

18:12

my big parrot wings. I just really

18:15

loved animals. And I like loved the

18:17

zoo. And I arrived to like a

18:19

room full of people and like they're

18:21

when they first were trying on stockings

18:24

and short skirts and I locked myself

18:26

in a closet and cried. But that

18:28

was a memorable Halloween costume. But no,

18:30

I was really interested in poetry. I

18:33

was really, and I loved going to

18:35

the theater. I made my dad take

18:37

me to every regional production of hairspray,

18:39

like in every state that it went

18:42

to. Like they were on tour and

18:44

I was their groupie. And- That's that

18:46

car behind the bus. Yeah, it was

18:48

our car. And like, and wicked and

18:50

of South Pacific. And I like, there

18:53

was just all, I loved musicals musicals

18:55

and love going to the theater. I

18:57

don't know. Yeah. And what was your

18:59

relationship to, I would imagine your relationship

19:02

to the films of your parents is

19:04

much different than mine. Like I watch

19:06

pulp fiction and I enjoy it, but

19:08

you watch pulp fiction and you see

19:11

your mom being stabbed with a hypodermic

19:13

needle. That's got to be a little

19:15

more traumatic for a young... Child it's

19:17

a skill set to learn I mean

19:20

I will say like I'm always asked

19:22

about what I've thought of different films

19:24

of my parents and the truth is

19:26

I haven't seen a lot of them

19:28

and you think that was weird except

19:31

try to imagine when is the right

19:33

time to do that like it's too

19:35

Important to watch one of their movies

19:37

just like on your computer like when

19:40

you're on an airplane. It's like that's

19:42

too important and it's weird to all

19:44

get together as a family and watch

19:46

it And it's weird, like your friends

19:49

when you come over and they're like,

19:51

oh, we want to put on a

19:53

movie. It's weird of them if they're

19:55

like, yeah, we're dying to watch an

19:58

infamaniac. Like, like, like, so it's, there's,

20:00

it's strange. windows of opportunity to experience

20:02

it, but you also do want to

20:04

understand the work, you know, the life's

20:07

work and the dedication that your family

20:09

members have put into this craft that

20:11

you are also, you know, putting your

20:13

energy in love into. But it is

20:15

complicated. I was so disturbed when I

20:18

saw Killbill II specifically. I was older

20:20

when I saw Pulp Fiction, so I

20:22

was fine with that, but the coffin,

20:24

I just couldn't. But I also, I

20:27

like saw my dad in a play

20:29

when I was really young, where it

20:31

was a vonoff checkoff, and a wonderful

20:33

play, by the way. I love, love

20:36

the play, but I didn't know at

20:38

the time that the character ends his

20:40

life at the end of the play,

20:42

and I was... Terrified. I was like,

20:45

what? Like, it was, again, sheets of

20:47

tears locked in the closet. But, uh,

20:49

seeing common themes running through my life.

20:51

But, uh, yeah, so. So is there

20:53

one that you're keeping for a rainy

20:56

day that you haven't seen of either

20:58

of your parents that you still haven't

21:00

watched? Yeah, but it's going to be

21:02

so embarrassing if I say all that.

21:05

That's why we're here. I mean, there.

21:07

Okay, dead poet society. Gasp's.

21:09

I know, I know you guys

21:11

would all be shocked that I

21:13

hadn't seen that. That one's, that

21:15

one's locked in a box for

21:18

a rainy day. It's a good

21:20

one. You should check it out.

21:22

Yeah. Okay, so you start, so

21:24

is it like a momentous moment

21:26

when you start to audition? Oh,

21:28

and of my mom hysterical blindness.

21:30

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22:25

gonna I'm gonna try this out and they're

22:27

gonna let me try this out like do

22:30

you remember your first auditions? Yeah well

22:32

I really there I think it was

22:34

through my school I don't totally know

22:36

how to happen but one audition crossed

22:38

my desk in high school and this

22:40

story is kind of if anyone like

22:42

you know whatever wanted to know this

22:44

story is available but I An audition

22:46

for Sophia Copula was doing A Little

22:48

Mermaid and I really wanted to audition

22:50

for it and I really protested and

22:53

did my version of rebellion to make

22:55

sure that I could and I ended

22:57

up going through like a long audition

22:59

process for it like a year long

23:01

and then the movie ended up not

23:03

happening but that was my first audition

23:05

and then my first auditions were for

23:08

drama schools and I auditioned for all

23:10

of them and a ton of them

23:12

and then when I was in drama

23:14

school I was kind of like sneaking

23:16

out at lunch breaks trying to audition

23:19

for other things because I was determined

23:21

to be fiercely independent. And then my

23:23

thing, I think. Well, the next edition I

23:25

remember was for the first part I ever got. I

23:27

think there were many more before then that I didn't

23:29

get that I don't remember, thank God. And that's a

23:31

little one. I assume we're going to... Yeah, little women.

23:33

Okay, can we revel for a moment the fact that

23:35

we never got to see Sophia Copa's Little Mermaid? I'm

23:38

sorry, that's crazy. I know, it would have been really

23:40

cool. It wasn't a musical, like, do it in many

23:42

ways inspired by the original myth. Like it was going to

23:44

be a darker, like it was going to be a darker,

23:46

like it, like it was going to be a darker, like

23:48

it, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, Glad that

23:50

it didn't happen because I had a

23:52

lot of really wonderful life experiences That

23:54

might not have happened if that had you

23:56

know that I mean, that's a little bit of a

23:59

rocket ship to the moon that I'm, you know,

24:01

I mean hindsight so is golden, you

24:03

know, that I'm kind of, in some

24:05

ways glad didn't happen, but I also

24:07

would love to see that movie even

24:10

if I didn't get to be in

24:12

it, and would have loved to be

24:14

in it. Let's be very clear. So,

24:16

okay, you mentioned, yeah, I'm applying to

24:18

drama schools, you're like kind of throwing

24:21

that away, but you got into Juilliard,

24:23

correct? For one year, but so that

24:25

I don't, I, I, it's... Not a

24:27

good thing to brag about when you

24:29

only went for one year and it's

24:32

a four-year program, but I did go.

24:34

But that was your choice. It wasn't

24:36

like they said, see, Maya. It was

24:38

complicated. They have really strict policies about

24:40

working and being in school and I

24:43

took a job thinking it wouldn't interfere,

24:45

Little Women, and it did interfere. And

24:47

so it was some mutual parting. person

24:49

you know your name expectations walking into

24:51

a room like did you feel that

24:54

and especially in the early auditions now

24:56

you've obviously amassed this body of work

24:58

you walk in you're your own person

25:00

you're myahawk but early on I would

25:03

imagine there you know that that that

25:05

that follows you into an audition room

25:07

in the early days or did you

25:09

not feel that I think it's actually

25:11

like sort of started to cumulatively follow

25:14

and affect me more now than it

25:16

did at the time I think I

25:18

I did feel something of that at

25:20

the time, but I was so confident.

25:22

And like, and I felt so scrappy

25:25

and so confident and really unencumbered and

25:27

really like, this is gonna be great.

25:29

Like, I don't know, it's like, I'm

25:31

gonna devour the world, you know, and

25:33

and I think. Over time and I

25:36

also had never gotten any feedback, you

25:38

know I hadn't really been with anyone

25:40

who was like oh this and so

25:42

I think over time as I've gotten

25:44

more feedback about that I've kind of

25:47

developed a more complicated relationship to the

25:49

idea of what those expectations mean and

25:51

hold. But yeah, I mean, I was

25:53

aware of it, but I, yeah, I

25:55

was aware of it. It's funny, because

25:58

I've had so many guests on this

26:00

stage or elsewhere whose parents were well-known

26:02

actors, whether it's John David Washington, was

26:04

here and Lily Rose Depp and Jack

26:07

Quaid. And if anything, the common conversation

26:09

topic, when this comes up, is they

26:11

almost felt like they had to overcompensate

26:13

and work harder because... There's a sense

26:15

from some people that you're you're skating

26:18

by like, oh, no, I'm gonna outwork

26:20

you just to show you that's I

26:22

say this not as a criticism to

26:24

anyone who has said that But I

26:26

think the idea that you have to

26:29

work harder is crazy Well, I think

26:31

well, no, what I'm not that you

26:33

shouldn't I mean that it's it is

26:35

easier Like, you don't have to work

26:37

harder. I mean, I think I have

26:40

so many wonderful friends from drama school

26:42

and from New York theater and who

26:44

didn't have the luxury to come from

26:46

where I come from, and it is

26:48

harder. You have to work hard to

26:51

earn people's respect and make sure that

26:53

you show up on time and do

26:55

a great job and are prepared every

26:57

day, but everyone should do that anyway.

26:59

And you have to care for your.

27:02

for the people around you and try

27:04

to share the luck that you have.

27:06

But I definitely don't think it's harder.

27:08

I think you do have to work

27:11

hard to earn people's respect, but you

27:13

always do. 100%. Okay, so let's, okay,

27:15

jumping into, okay, so little women, big

27:17

role, big production. Did you feel a

27:19

comfort level? Or was it kind of

27:22

like, where does this camera, like how

27:24

does this work? What's a mark? Like,

27:26

what was your sense of comfort on

27:28

that first set? Really comfortable. Like I'm

27:30

more comfortable on set than I am

27:33

anywhere else. Certainly more comfortable than I

27:35

am right here right now. That community

27:37

and world and the world of being

27:39

in a big group of people who

27:41

are all making something neat. and you

27:44

know the experience that I'd had in

27:46

my life to understand exactly what the

27:48

sound department does and exactly what props

27:50

do and what set design does and

27:52

how those things are different and that

27:55

you can't touch your props and you

27:57

know that you that's your mark and

27:59

they're gonna light and you're gonna step

28:01

aside after they light after you block

28:03

it and the the rhythm of it

28:06

in the pace and the snack cart

28:08

and most importantly yeah are all like

28:10

my my total comfort zone and and

28:12

I feel really at home with it.

28:14

The place where I started to run

28:17

into feelings of discomfort and newness were

28:19

in its release, in press, in like

28:21

that's where I was like, whoa, I

28:23

haven't been here, you know, because like

28:26

I said, my parents really worked hard

28:28

to keep me private. So the outward

28:30

facing public stuff I wasn't included in,

28:32

but I was included in the art

28:34

making part. And so the art making

28:37

part has always been my comfort zone,

28:39

and the outward facing part has always

28:41

been my like. So how do you

28:43

get the good you're doing great? How

28:45

are you so I? I know you

28:48

don't like grades So I'm not going

28:50

to grade you but you would get

28:52

a really good grade if there was

28:54

one But no how have you managed?

28:56

I love grades if they're a's their

28:59

a's They're a's okay But yeah like

29:01

how what was the switch in your

29:03

mind like how do you you're obviously

29:05

not? You're hopefully okay? But like where

29:07

did that switch come from how do

29:10

you deal with? the press that comes

29:12

with releasing an album, being in Stranger

29:14

Things, being in a Quentin Tarantino movie,

29:16

etc. I have no problem with it

29:18

when it feels like the promotion of

29:21

a thing that everyone got together to

29:23

make together. Like being here for this

29:25

movie, when it feels like we're promoting

29:27

this movie and saying, come see this

29:30

movie, we all worked really hard on

29:32

this. I did my little part, but

29:34

thousands of people did their part and

29:36

they deserve to be on this stage

29:38

just as much as me, and let

29:41

me tell you who they are, and

29:43

what they did. Totally comfortable and fun

29:45

and talking about what the material is

29:47

about and what the point we're trying

29:49

to make. When it edges into feeling,

29:52

excuse me. We're getting personal and deep

29:54

and your phone rings. When it, I'm

29:56

just joking, when it edges into feeling

29:58

like self-promotion, is, and when it feels

30:00

like you're doing press, and it's not

30:03

clear what you're promoting, it's like, wait,

30:05

hold on, what am I talking about?

30:07

Like, just you, uh-uh, like, you know,

30:09

and I think that that, it's a

30:11

little bit old-fashioned, and I definitely loops

30:14

back into the way that I was

30:16

raised, but I think that the line

30:18

between... actor and celebrity has gotten extremely

30:20

blurry and I think you know in

30:22

some ways a celebrity is someone where

30:25

their personality is what is the draw

30:27

and what I always wanted to be

30:29

was an actor where the work is

30:31

what the draw is not the personhood

30:34

but the industry keeps changing and you

30:36

have to change with it and understand

30:38

that all of these things are getting

30:40

blurred and you know there are wonderful

30:42

incredible actors I admire whose personalities we

30:45

all know very well and So it's

30:47

I think just figuring out the footing

30:49

in these changing times of social media

30:51

and public personality and Also how difficult

30:53

it is to get things made and

30:56

it's like you know where it's like

30:58

I don't care about Instagram. Instagram sucks.

31:00

Right, but just so you know, if

31:02

you have over this many followers, you

31:04

can get the money movie funded. Well,

31:07

I want to make the movie. So,

31:09

you know, like, it's a really confusing

31:11

line to walk, and I've talked to

31:13

so many smart directors who... tell me

31:15

that they get a, you know, I

31:18

like, I'm talking about how I'm gonna

31:20

delete my Instagram and they're like, just

31:22

so you know, when I'm casting a

31:24

movie with some producers, they hand me

31:26

a sheet with the amount of collective

31:29

followers I have to get of the

31:31

cast that I cast. So if you

31:33

delete your Instagram and I lose those

31:35

followers, understand that these are the kinds

31:37

of people that I need to cast

31:40

around you. So like, you know, and

31:42

so there's a, it's confusing question for

31:44

me. And then we have like, you

31:46

know. a filmmaker who probably doesn't have

31:49

access to social media or even an

31:51

Apple phone, iPhone, Quentin Tarantino, and you're

31:53

on a set like that where that's,

31:55

I've talked to many actors that have

31:57

obviously worked with Quentin and it feels

32:00

like that's like the, um... That's heaven.

32:02

That's kind of like where you want

32:04

to be as an actor. Well, yeah,

32:06

I mean, there are these few directors,

32:08

maybe there's 10 of them, who have

32:11

reputations that are vast enough and have

32:13

shown how well they can work and

32:15

what they can do, that they get

32:17

given a lot of freedom and a

32:19

lot of privacy. And they don't have

32:22

to have a thousand. like extra BTS

32:24

guys like taking footage and asking you

32:26

to like make a video of you

32:28

peeling your orange on the side of

32:30

the set you know you can really

32:33

focus and sit there and make a

32:35

film with them and I've been privileged

32:37

enough to really work with three in

32:39

my life I got to work with

32:41

three sets that were like this I

32:44

got to work with Quentin I got

32:46

to work with Bradley Cooper and I

32:48

got to work with West Anderson and

32:50

all of them have this extreme sanctity

32:53

sanctity to their set where walking under

32:55

that set is like walking into church.

32:57

It's, you can hear crickets, nobody speaks,

32:59

you're rolling on film, it's extremely focused

33:01

and extremely celebratory at the same time.

33:04

Like it's not overly snooty serious, it's

33:06

raucous, but it's raucous in the direction

33:08

of the work and centered on the

33:10

work. And I don't know any actor

33:12

who... wouldn't want to work on that

33:15

kind of set, much less with a

33:17

tour directors of that caliber of excellence.

33:19

But even just to get to be

33:21

on a set like that is church.

33:23

There's one filmmaker you didn't mention, and

33:26

I understand why, because it was a

33:28

smaller piece of time, but. Brady Corbett

33:30

directed one of your music. Oh my

33:32

god. Yeah, I also didn't mention my

33:34

dad. I mean, there's a lot of,

33:37

don't, no one be offended by my

33:39

list. I didn't mention my dad who

33:41

also had a very church like on

33:43

the movie that we made together Wildcat.

33:45

But yeah, Brady Corbett. I mean, obviously

33:48

folks have probably seen the Brutus by

33:50

now if you haven't, you need to

33:52

check it out. It's unbelievable. I'm obsessed

33:54

with Brady. He's a genius. And one

33:56

of the things that's most genius about

33:59

him, not to mention the story and

34:01

the quality of that work and film

34:03

and the performances, but for what he

34:05

made it for. And even back to

34:08

this conversation about producers and budgets and

34:10

these conversations, he's the sort of person

34:12

who says, this is what I want

34:14

to make. This is who I want

34:16

to make it with and what I

34:19

want it to be about and what

34:21

I want to shoot on. How much

34:23

money can... I have to do exactly

34:25

what I want. And if the number

34:27

is lower than he would want it

34:30

to be, he doesn't compromise and say,

34:32

oh, then I won't do what I

34:34

want. OK, then I'll give this up.

34:36

He's like, OK, I'll figure out how

34:38

to do it for that. And it's

34:41

an inspiration. And it's I think for

34:43

not that what he made it for

34:45

was a low amount of money, but

34:47

it's a lower amount of money than

34:49

most films that get nominated for Best

34:52

Picture. And for young filmmakers. going into

34:54

this industry and thinking about wanting to

34:56

tell their story and thinking, how am

34:58

I ever going to raise 20 million

35:00

dollars to make my masterpiece? You could

35:03

raise 10, you know, like there is

35:05

a, there's possibility in that you can

35:07

make things, you know, if you have

35:09

the spirit to do so and with

35:12

my music video, he, Brady, I think

35:14

you were going this way, right? Brady

35:16

directed to rest. And, you know, he

35:18

made that music video for like... $2

35:20

and a mug. And he was like,

35:23

let's do it. This is what I

35:25

want to make. This is what we

35:27

have to make it. We're going to

35:29

make it. And we shot in the

35:31

woods at like the back of my

35:34

dad's yard and we were hanging up

35:36

flashlights from trees and reflecting them with

35:38

mirrors and Everyone was doing us a

35:40

favor and especially him to me But

35:42

and it was an extra one of

35:45

my favorite filming experiences of my life

35:47

and that felt like church and like

35:49

a party slightly orchard budget on stranger

35:51

things safe to say yeah Is there

35:53

anything that you wish you'd known? prior

35:56

to signing on to Stranger Things. that

35:58

you could have told Maya a few

36:00

years back. I mean, it seems like,

36:02

you know, you know what you're getting

36:04

into. It's already a huge success. I

36:07

don't know. Was there any kind of

36:09

sticker shock or surprise about the way

36:11

the production was done that you wish

36:13

you had known? Nothing had prepared me

36:16

for working on a character that didn't

36:18

have an end. You know, it's a,

36:20

when you're working on even something like

36:22

Little Women that I did for the

36:24

BBC, which is three episode arc, or

36:27

any sort of film, you can track

36:29

your character from, or a play from

36:31

beginning, middle to end. Where do I

36:33

start? Where do I have to end

36:35

up? What has to happen to me

36:38

to get me from this beginning person

36:40

to this end person to be on

36:42

this journey? And I wish I could

36:44

have talked to myself about... learning that

36:46

it can't be about that, that it

36:49

has to be putting your boots on

36:51

every day and trying to make something

36:53

magical happen that's worth watching. and go

36:55

blindly into the unknown a little bit

36:57

like life of not knowing exactly where

37:00

your character is going to end up,

37:02

you know, and just trying to pursue

37:04

it with love and openness because I

37:06

spent a lot of time in my

37:08

first season being like, but how am

37:11

I going to do this scene if

37:13

I don't understand what's going to happen

37:15

in the next episode and I'm just

37:17

totally confused and freaking out and you

37:19

have to explain it to me and

37:22

blah. And I could have saved myself

37:24

a lot of... Well, you know, if

37:26

I had if I had if I

37:28

had understood that better. It must be

37:31

though source of pride that it's such

37:33

a large ensemble on that show and

37:35

one of and one of the I

37:37

mean true achievements that the Duffers have

37:39

done in the whole directors and writers

37:42

on that show is serving that entire

37:44

ensemble pretty damn well. Oh my god.

37:46

Yes. But the fact that your character

37:48

in particular like, you know, became among

37:50

many a fan favorite. I mean, what

37:53

does that mean to you hear folks

37:55

that really adore. Robin as much as

37:57

they do. How is that meaningful for

37:59

you? Well it means a lot to

38:01

me because I love TV even as

38:04

I said I didn't know how to

38:06

act in a TV show. I certainly

38:08

know. how to watch them. And I

38:10

love them and I, you know, it's

38:12

always difficult when you love a story

38:15

and characters and they bring in a

38:17

new character and the new character inevitably

38:19

because you only have, you know, 30

38:21

to 40 minutes of episode time makes

38:23

you spend less time with the characters

38:26

you love. And sometimes you're happy and

38:28

usually you're not. And so I was

38:30

really nervous about distracting from what had

38:32

already made the show so special and

38:35

what people had fallen in love with.

38:37

And I didn't quite get at the

38:39

time that a part of the Duffer

38:41

Brothers method is to bring in new

38:43

energy every season. I mean, you know,

38:46

they did that with Sadie Sinkin season

38:48

two, but I didn't quite see the

38:50

way in which they were doing that,

38:52

like that that was a part of

38:54

it. And so I was really nervous

38:57

about it and they do it so

38:59

well. And I feel similarly, you know,

39:01

to inside out two as stranger things,

39:03

when you're a part of something that

39:05

works, you're just so lucky. Like it's

39:08

so relaxing to be a part of

39:10

something that works, where the... creators of

39:12

it understand its heartbeat and know how

39:14

to, you know, they're like watchmakers and

39:16

they know how to tighten each gear

39:19

on the watch so that it runs

39:21

smoothly and keeps the time. And you

39:23

just have to come in and play

39:25

your part and, you know, try to

39:27

hit the notes right, try not to

39:30

slam on the note that's out of

39:32

key, you know, but, uh... So it's

39:34

just beautiful, and I was so moved

39:36

to get to the point that you

39:38

were making. I was so moved to

39:41

feel accepted by the fan base and

39:43

continue to be so. And even when

39:45

we just went and filmed this past

39:47

season, which no one's seen yet, every

39:50

day was on my mind of, am

39:52

I serving the people who love the

39:54

show? Am I dedicating myself to what

39:56

they come here to feel? Right. That's

39:58

the guiding light every day is like

40:01

what do they come here to feel?

40:03

I know you're very good at watching

40:05

TV I don't know how good you

40:07

are at watching yourself on TV But

40:09

I have a clip. I'm gonna show

40:12

a clip. Oh, okay. I can handle

40:14

it. You can handle it. I just

40:16

notice your eyes went really shut I'm

40:18

a huge ego maniac. Let's go This

40:20

is a scene that we've all probably

40:23

seen many times, but it's a wonderful

40:32

Listen to me, Steve.

40:35

I'm not like your

40:37

other friends. Robin, that's

40:39

exactly why I like

40:41

you. Do you remember

40:43

what I said about

40:45

clicks class? About me

40:47

being jealous? Yeah. It

40:49

isn't because I had

40:51

a crush on you.

40:53

It's because she wouldn't

40:55

stop staring at you.

40:57

Tammy Thompson. I wanted

40:59

her to look at

41:02

me. But she couldn't

41:04

pull her eyes away

41:06

from you and your...

41:08

Stupid hair. And I

41:10

didn't understand because you

41:12

were a douche bag.

41:14

And he didn't even

41:16

like her. And I

41:18

would go home and

41:20

just scream into my

41:22

pillow. Tammy Thompson's a

41:24

girl. Steve. Oh. Holy

41:26

shit. Yeah. Holy shit.

41:37

What do you remember about shooting that?

41:39

Did you feel a special weight to

41:41

that moment? I mean, I remember everything

41:44

about shooting that. I mean, I remember

41:46

the weeks that led up to shooting

41:48

that scene. I will always be so

41:50

grateful to the brothers for writing me

41:52

that scene and for writing that monologue

41:55

the way that they did. We had

41:57

so many different conversations about, you know,

41:59

like... Does

42:01

it make sense for Steve to react

42:04

so open like in this time period

42:06

and in this location and like and

42:08

doesn't make sense for Robin to be

42:11

so like Open even as it's difficult

42:13

to say and of course we have

42:15

the truth serum which does help and

42:17

and kind of we had these conversations

42:20

about the idea that the truth serum

42:22

somehow also brings out the best in

42:24

you like actually goes to the real

42:27

truth of all of our deep compassion

42:29

for each other when we are surrounded

42:31

by each other no matter what our

42:34

past conditioning has taught us to believe

42:36

about anybody. And I remember sitting on,

42:38

I remember going into that bathroom and

42:41

someone suggesting that we just sit on

42:43

the floor and figuring out that he

42:45

could slide under the thing and I

42:47

remember being so surprised how few takes

42:50

we did because we did so many

42:52

takes, we do so many takes on

42:54

that show, so many takes. But funnily

42:57

enough, the dialogue scenes that are just

42:59

straight dialogue usually take fewer takes than

43:01

the really complicated cinematography that the duffers

43:04

are. extraordinary at those take more and

43:06

more but a scene like this they

43:08

really just are like let us know

43:11

when you're done like we trust you

43:13

you know these characters let us know

43:15

when you're done and that's such a

43:17

generous thing to do and it was

43:20

such a moving scene to film and

43:22

even more moving scene to have come

43:24

out into the world I don't know

43:27

if I'm emotionally prepared for the final

43:29

season am I are we all ready

43:31

for it because I feel like the

43:34

cast has talked already about how emotional

43:36

they got you guys got making making

43:38

it Did it feel especially momentous? I

43:41

mean, some of these folks have been,

43:43

literally we've seen them grow up. I

43:45

know, it's like boyhood. I don't know

43:47

if you can be emotionally prepared. I'm

43:50

not emotionally prepared, both for the ending

43:52

of these characters. these stories and for

43:54

the ending of this chapter in my

43:57

life you know I mean if you

43:59

could see the tears that were shed

44:01

in the last few weeks of filming

44:04

they were like over overwhelming and in

44:06

fact I even think I learned something

44:08

about acting filming the last scene of

44:11

the the show about being emotionally present

44:13

and Like, you know, the kind of

44:15

thing where you always know what you're

44:17

supposed to be doing, but you don't

44:20

actually, you're not actually doing it, and

44:22

then all of a sudden you lock

44:24

into something and you're like, oh, this

44:27

is how you do it. This is

44:29

what I was telling other people to

44:31

do. I get it now. And, but

44:34

I don't know. I don't know. It

44:36

depends on where it sits in your

44:38

heart, you know, but it's definitely going

44:41

to be something. Um,

44:49

I think I just won my taxes.

44:51

Yeah? I just switched to H&R Block

44:53

in about one minute. All I had

44:55

to do was drag and drop lashes

44:57

return into H&R Block, and bam. My

44:59

information is automatically there. So I don't

45:01

have to go digging around for all

45:03

my old papers to switch? Nope. Sounds

45:05

like we just leveled up our tax

45:07

game. Switching to H&R Block is easy.

45:09

Just drag and drop your last return.

45:11

Your last return. It's better with Block.

45:19

We couldn't even talk about your music

45:21

career, which is a huge part of

45:23

your life. Touched on Brady? Well, yes,

45:25

we did. We did. But talk to

45:28

me a little bit about, like, is

45:30

that, even when you're shooting, like, does

45:32

that, does that stop and start, or

45:34

is it an everyday thing? Is music

45:36

a part of your life? Music is

45:39

and always has been a part of

45:41

my life every day. Though, what stops

45:43

and starts is where it sits in

45:45

terms of my career? And kind of,

45:47

this links back to what we're talking

45:50

about, about press and self-promotion. I think

45:52

there's something, because, you know, you put,

45:54

even though a bunch of people work

45:56

on a record, you're, it might be

45:59

a little more like directing a film,

46:01

actually, but because a bunch of people

46:03

work on it. cover. And then the

46:05

act of promoting it kind of falls

46:07

on you alone and it does start

46:10

to border on what feels to me

46:12

like self-promotion which does make me uncomfortable.

46:14

But I'm always writing music and always

46:16

making music and in finding new and

46:19

different ways to have it be a

46:21

part of my career. Does the acting

46:23

work inform the music? Like is the

46:25

next album going to be informed by

46:27

the year of shooting Stranger Things Five

46:30

or is a totally different kind of

46:32

other people? Like, what I, how I

46:34

talk about it is like, if you

46:36

know how you have an outlet on

46:39

the wall, and it's got like three

46:41

different little plugs, but it's all coming

46:43

from the same power source, it's like

46:45

you can plug music in, you can

46:47

plug acting in, you can plug painting

46:50

in, it's all coming from the same

46:52

source and there are different outlets to

46:54

express it. And I, uh. I feel

46:56

like more and more people are being

46:58

interdisciplinary artists these days for a variety

47:01

of reasons, but a lot of which

47:03

have to do with that one of

47:05

the only ways to survive in this

47:07

career these days is to generate your

47:10

own work, waiting around for someone to

47:12

send you a great life-changing script is

47:14

not necessarily the path anymore. So that's

47:16

an aspect of it. They really speak

47:18

to each other and inform each other

47:21

because both are asking you to dive

47:23

deeper into yourself and to know yourself

47:25

better and identify your feelings. And yeah,

47:27

so I'm just kind of always in

47:30

the practice of doing that. But it's

47:32

nice that I can do music at

47:34

home. Sure. And it's also though, I

47:36

mean, it's also exposing yourself in a

47:38

different way. I mean, again, I think

47:41

back, I remember when your dad was

47:43

like writing. books at first and poetry

47:45

at first and he got a lot

47:47

of flack at first I feel like

47:50

people were like what's this actor doing

47:52

writing a novel writing so much flack

47:54

I feel like people get a little

47:56

less flack I do now I think

47:58

he kind of suffered through for the

48:01

rest of us exactly a multi-hyphenet pioneer

48:03

but do you feel more exposed, you

48:05

know, releasing an album than you do.

48:07

As you said, like, when you're in

48:09

an Inside Out, too, this is a

48:12

thousand people worked on this, and you

48:14

are one very important component of it.

48:16

You said just now, music is a

48:18

collaborative art form, but still, you're writing

48:21

these songs, you're the face of it.

48:23

Yeah. Yeah. Does it feel more exposing?

48:25

Sometimes the nature of questions that people

48:27

feel entitled to ask feel like based

48:29

on the window that you've opened to

48:32

like but putting it out doesn't like

48:34

In every performance I hide personal secrets

48:36

and truths about myself, and Robin, for

48:38

example, has so many different chapters of

48:41

journeys of where I was in my

48:43

relationship to myself at any one time

48:45

are packed into that character and that

48:47

story. Inside Out Two, anxiety is the

48:49

little voice that talks to me in

48:52

my head and tells me I'm not

48:54

doing a good job. And like even

48:56

to the point which... like sometimes when

48:58

I'm making fun of myself or I'm

49:01

like, oh, you know, it's just really

49:03

funny because I have this funny spot

49:05

on my leg and it's just like

49:07

a weird little red spot and I'm

49:09

sure that it's nothing or just being

49:12

run here or something, but I'm really

49:14

worried about it and I'm thinking I

49:16

should probably go to the doctor, right?

49:18

Because also my hip hurts and those

49:20

two things might be connected, don't you

49:23

think? And then I lent it to

49:25

this character. And so there's personal stuff

49:27

everywhere stuff everywhere. and in the music

49:29

as well, the eye of songwriting, I

49:32

think, opens up people's feeling of ability

49:34

to say, well, is this about that?

49:36

Is that character of this person? Is

49:38

this, especially if you're like a public

49:40

person, like, is this song about this

49:43

other famous person that I'm interested in?

49:45

You know, like, that whole thing, ugh,

49:47

not into that. I know that it's

49:49

done very good for a lot of

49:52

people's careers, but, ugh. So I, uh.

49:54

Yeah, anyway, so it is more vulnerable,

49:56

but it also isn't like the final

49:58

product isn't more vulnerable. The process of

50:00

promoting it is. We were talking backstage.

50:03

You have another big moment coming up.

50:05

We're going to be able to see

50:07

Maya on stage on acting on stage

50:09

for the first time very soon. Very

50:12

exciting. The spring in New York. Has

50:14

that been on the list for a

50:16

while or you must be looking forward

50:18

to this? I think every single year

50:20

since I left school I was like

50:23

all right this year I'm gonna do

50:25

a play. You know I'm like this

50:27

is what I need to do and

50:29

for a variety of reasons it hasn't

50:31

happened yet but it's been it's what

50:34

I wanted to do with my life

50:36

you know and uh... So it means

50:38

so much to me that I get

50:40

to be doing it now. And that

50:43

I get to do this play by

50:45

this extraordinary player. It's Sarah Rule, she's

50:47

amazing, a playwright of our generation. And

50:49

this is one of her greatest plays.

50:51

And I feel really lucky to be

50:54

getting to put it back up on

50:56

its feet at the signature, no less,

50:58

which is a really special theater to

51:00

me from my life. My dad has

51:03

done a lot of plays there. So

51:05

I've hung out. backstage there and seen

51:07

a lot of plays there in some

51:09

ways because of its partnership with Juilliard.

51:11

I got to go see tons of

51:14

plays there when I was there and

51:16

it's a very special theater to me.

51:18

So it's a fabulous cocktail and I

51:20

am debilitatingly nervous but also extremely excited.

51:23

We'll be there to support, don't you

51:25

worry? Thank you. I hope to see

51:27

you all there. We will all be

51:29

there, right guys. Okay. What causes you

51:31

anxiety on a film set? Other

51:34

people being late me being late

51:37

fear of going up on my

51:39

lines going up on their lines

51:41

and A lack of clarity about

51:44

the plan actually is probably the

51:46

best like what are we do

51:48

what are we doing like I've

51:51

been waiting for two hours. What's

51:53

happening? Do you need me? Am

51:55

I being useless? Like, and is

51:58

there a plan, and what's the

52:00

shot lit, like, what's the, I

52:02

like, as much as anyone I'm

52:05

working with will read me in

52:07

to the day, the calmer I

52:09

feel. And I can, I can work

52:11

a pretty infinite amount of hours if

52:13

I understand what I'm working on and

52:16

why I am doing it. And I

52:18

really hit roadblocks when I. I'm being asked

52:20

to do things I don't understand.

52:22

And I'm working on that for

52:24

people who might be considering hiring

52:26

me. I am trying to get

52:28

better at doing things I don't

52:30

understand, but that's where our anxiety

52:32

comes up. You said you're really good

52:35

at watching TV. What are you watching?

52:37

Do you watch every kind of show

52:39

or do you have a blame? addiction

52:41

and fear of the news and my

52:43

feeling that like I need to be

52:45

paying attention but also that like attention

52:47

is actually what is being wanted from

52:49

me from the people who have learned

52:51

to monetize fear and attention and and

52:53

like use it to their benefit even

52:55

if you're upset about it and that

52:58

kind of confusion has definitely gotten me

53:00

into a role of like when I

53:02

feel if I've already looked at the

53:04

news enough and I feel like I've

53:06

taken in all the information and anything

53:08

more I would be doing would

53:10

just be like fear like allowing

53:12

my own little fear rabbit to

53:14

go. So once I've reached that

53:16

point I've been really interested I've

53:18

been really enjoying watching political shows

53:20

which is insane but like I

53:22

loved the diplomat this year it's

53:24

so good and then after loving

53:26

the diplomat I went back and watched

53:28

the two great Aaron Sorcan news shows

53:31

that I had never watched of the

53:33

West Wing and the newsroom which has

53:35

been my like huh. Wow, loving that

53:37

and it's great refuge to pretend that

53:39

we live like that still, that we

53:41

get to have their problems. I mean,

53:44

not that they don't have problems, they

53:46

have problems, but I like their problems

53:48

a little more. So that's what I've

53:51

been watching lately and also Madam Secretary.

53:53

And I'm trying to think if there's

53:55

anything else. But yeah, I've been trying

53:57

to keep up with the Oscar movies.

54:00

getting ready to have an opinion and

54:02

also enjoying some political ask soap opera

54:04

energy. So any early opinions or not

54:07

early at this point but 2024 movie

54:09

opinions? You're an Oscar nominee inside out

54:11

too. Any other films you're rooting for?

54:14

I mean as I said about

54:16

Brady as my friend and if I

54:18

had a vote which hopefully someday I

54:20

will have I would vote for

54:22

him. Okay, we're going to end with

54:25

the happy second fused profoundly random questions.

54:27

Yes. Here we go. Are you a

54:29

dog or a cat person? Dog, but

54:32

I love cats. If they liked

54:34

me better, I would be a cat

54:36

person. They don't respond well to you?

54:38

I'm too needy. The dogs are

54:40

right for me. I come to them

54:43

and they could be like, oh, you're

54:45

here and we're so excited to see

54:47

you and the cats are like, you

54:50

seem like you have a lot

54:52

of energy and like, like you want

54:54

more for me than I want from

54:56

you and that I want from

54:58

you and that, and that's fine. What's

55:01

the tour that you really? Era's tour.

55:03

What do you collect, if anything? I

55:05

was a kid. I collected glass animals.

55:08

I now collect tour lanyards from

55:10

concerts that I go to. And my

55:12

friend's art. Do you have a treasured

55:14

lanyard? What's the tour that you

55:16

really? Era's tour. Nice. Favorite video game

55:19

of all time. Did you ever go

55:21

through it? video game phase? Did I

55:23

ever go through a video game phase?

55:26

Yeah, I had a Nintendo and

55:28

I liked, wait, no, why now? Okay,

55:30

well I like this one game that

55:32

was where you could take care

55:34

of dogs digitally? What? Nintendo dogs! Yes,

55:37

I like Nintendo dogs a lot. You

55:39

like, you like get your puppies and

55:41

you like bathe them and you make

55:44

them do shows and you get

55:46

points and I like that game a

55:48

lot. I played this one video game

55:50

that I also don't know the

55:52

name of that I loved. It was

55:55

like a mystery and you were like

55:57

a detective in a hat. You traveled

55:59

through a town and you had to

56:02

solve the mystery by solving riddles.

56:04

I loved that. And I also like

56:06

Mario. But I was never a big

56:08

video game person and a big

56:10

no violent video game person. My brother

56:13

recently put. like those oculus goggles on

56:15

me and tried to teach me how

56:17

to play like a gun game. He

56:20

was like, well, you're a grown

56:22

up now. Like you can be, like

56:24

you're not going to be such a

56:26

baby. And I was like, okay.

56:28

So I put on the oculus and

56:31

I'm playing the gun game. And he's

56:33

like, and I'm playing the gun game.

56:35

And he's like, okay. So I'm playing

56:38

the oculus and I'm playing the

56:40

oculus. And I'm playing the. So anyway,

56:42

not a huge video game person, but

56:44

now I'm addicted to games on

56:46

my phone. There's a fruit game where

56:49

you turn smaller fruits into larger fruits

56:51

and then they explode. I like that

56:53

game a lot. There's like a fruit

56:56

game where you turn smaller fruits

56:58

into larger fruits and then they explode.

57:00

I like that game a lot. I

57:02

have a really high score. It's

57:04

in the upward 8,000 if anyone else

57:07

is playing. Would you rather be four

57:09

feet taller or four feet shorter? God,

57:11

neither. I would rather be four feet

57:14

shorter, I think. I mean, am

57:16

I... No, that's not a question I'm

57:18

going to ask. I would rather be

57:20

four feet shorter with the hopes

57:22

that the people that I love might

57:25

be able to put me in a

57:27

backpack and carry me around and that

57:29

more places that are uncomfortable for tall

57:32

people would be comfortable for me.

57:34

Yeah. You thought this true. Yeah. Good

57:36

job. Thank you. What's the wallpaper on

57:38

your phone? Me, my boyfriend. Do

57:40

you ever get mistaken for another actor?

57:43

Last actor you were mistaken. My mother.

57:45

Really? Yes. How does that go down?

57:47

What like literally? Like literally people, I

57:50

guess who just like... haven't checked

57:52

the world in 20 years. Like I

57:54

have walked on the street and I'm

57:56

like, boy, I've had kids be

57:59

like, you were so good in Pulp

58:01

Fiction. Like thinking that they just watched

58:03

this movie that just came out. Time

58:06

froze, yeah. Yeah. And I've also had

58:08

like older people be like, I

58:10

loved you and that. Like, and it

58:12

would be like, yeah. It's an honor.

58:15

And so that is the person

58:17

I'm most commonly mistaken for. Amazing. Yeah.

58:19

What's the worst note a director has

58:21

ever given you? A director told me,

58:24

actually I think it was a producer,

58:26

but they were in cahoots, told

58:28

me that I looked prettier with my

58:30

mouth closed and that I should close

58:33

my mouth after I speak more

58:35

often. Now if you watch any of

58:37

my performances, you will see I am

58:39

kind of a mouth breather. Like I

58:42

do. I do often let my mouth

58:44

hang open, but depending on what

58:46

character I'm playing, because I feel like

58:48

jaw tension and mouth tension is so

58:51

important to express what kind of

58:53

person you are, and some people have

58:55

a very tight mouth, you know. They

58:57

really work on keeping their mmm, and

59:00

they don't smile with it. You know,

59:02

they're really like, and some people

59:04

are like... Hey, so good to see,

59:06

man. Like, oh, I'm just having a

59:09

great day out here. And so,

59:11

like, where you leave that, I think,

59:13

is really important. And I was really

59:15

upset about being told that I should

59:18

close my mouth, or look prettier, because

59:20

I was playing a character that

59:22

was, like, distinctly unselfconscious. Like, that was

59:24

a trait of the character that they

59:27

didn't care about looking pretty, and they

59:29

were unself conscious. And so it was

59:31

clearly just, like, like, like, a

59:33

desire of the aesthetic of the aesthetic

59:36

of the thing, and I was annoyed

59:38

about it. Did you make it

59:40

known you were annoyed or just... I

59:42

mean, you've talked to me for 30

59:45

minutes. What do you think? You did.

59:47

You did. Yes, that's something. And finally,

59:49

in the spirit of Happy, Sad,

59:51

Confused, an actor that... Always makes you

59:54

happy. You see them on screen, you're

59:56

happier. Alice and Jenny. West Wing

59:58

on the Mine. Yeah, well, I just

1:00:00

connected the house. But always. A movie

1:00:03

that makes you sad, always. Family Stone.

1:00:05

Oh yeah. Happy sad. I don't like

1:00:07

watching movies that make you sad,

1:00:09

sad, sad. I will, if they've been

1:00:12

nominated for awards and everyone tells me

1:00:14

that I have to, but I

1:00:16

really, I'll take happy sad, but I

1:00:18

don't want to be sad, sad, sad,

1:00:21

sad. And finally, a food that makes

1:00:23

you confused, you don't get it. Whoa,

1:00:25

fun, food that makes me confused.

1:00:27

I mean, food doesn't buffetle me that

1:00:30

often. You see this on a menu,

1:00:32

like, why would anybody... find that

1:00:34

appealing. What's weird parts of animals? Like,

1:00:36

but I get, like, those are also

1:00:39

just cultural, like, it's not, like, it

1:00:41

doesn't have to be confusing to me,

1:00:43

like, how, how could they possibly

1:00:45

eat the chicken neck, those weirdos? Like,

1:00:48

they do, like, I don't, I eat

1:00:50

the chicken leg, like, that's not,

1:00:52

yeah, that's no we're all talking about

1:00:54

the chicken. So I don't know what

1:00:57

makes me confused. Really, I'm just not

1:00:59

befuddled by food. I love food. I

1:01:01

love food. I love trying new

1:01:03

things. Things don't gross me out that

1:01:06

easily. I'm not easily grossed out. And

1:01:08

sometimes I don't like things, but

1:01:10

I'm excited to try it and to

1:01:12

understand a new experience. So maybe I'll

1:01:15

think of something in a minute. No,

1:01:17

don't. You say yes to life. You

1:01:19

say yes to food. We love

1:01:21

that about you, among other things. We

1:01:24

also love this movie. Look at that

1:01:26

segue. Inside out, too, I don't

1:01:28

need to say this, but you can

1:01:30

spread the good word if you want,

1:01:33

if there's someone on the planet that

1:01:35

doesn't know about this movie. Where have

1:01:37

they been? It's an amazing, it's

1:01:39

a beautiful piece of work, as Pixar

1:01:42

always delivers. And congratulations on joining the

1:01:44

Pixar family. This is a special

1:01:46

one. God, I'd love to get to

1:01:48

stay a part of it. Thank Thank

1:01:51

you, I love to get to stay

1:01:53

a part of a part of it.

1:01:55

Thank you. coming out

1:01:57

tonight. tonight. Thank We're

1:02:00

seeing her on Hawk

1:02:02

very soon, right? We're

1:02:04

seeing her good. very

1:02:07

-Broadway, but good. It's off-Broadway, but yes.

1:02:09

And so ends another edition of Happy, Sad,

1:02:11

Confused. Remember ends another edition

1:02:13

of and Sad, Confused. show

1:02:16

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1:02:26

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1:02:31

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1:02:33

Josh!