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1:37

you will be listening to Nina

1:40

and Kurt's experience. You heard me

1:42

say this, things happen for a

1:44

reason, there's no such thing as

1:46

a coincidence. There's so many crazy

1:49

things that transpired before this reading,

1:51

how they even ended up on

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1:56

out of my mic. It was

1:58

just insane. But I feel...

2:00

spirit continues to give

2:02

their loved ones, especially

2:04

Nina and Kurt, their

2:06

son gave them the

2:09

validation of how important

2:11

it is never to

2:13

give up and that

2:15

he knows exactly what

2:17

they're doing and so

2:19

incredibly proud of them.

2:22

I hope you guys

2:24

all enjoy this episode

2:26

of Hey Spirit. God

2:28

bless. So

2:31

first of all, welcome to Hey Spirit.

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I want to thank you for allowing

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me to share my gift with you

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today, but not only that, but all

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my guests, how did you get on

2:47

the podcast? I'll let me explain. Good

2:50

question. Oh, this is a good one.

2:52

All I have to say is Toku.

2:54

Remember Toku? Oh yes, yes. I ran

2:56

into you in the ladies room and

2:59

you were so incredibly gracious. You were

3:01

with Courtney and you connected me to

3:03

Victoria and here we are. Here we

3:06

are. See what I love and I

3:08

guess this is one of the reasons

3:10

why I ask because sometimes people end

3:13

up on the podcast because they belong

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to my fan club because we pick

3:17

people from the fan club. Sometimes they

3:19

just called the hotline and here. I

3:22

ran into you in the bathroom. Listen,

3:24

I always say things always happen for

3:26

a reason. In everyday life, I don't

3:29

believe in coincidences. I do believe that

3:31

people are placed on our path for

3:33

a reason. This is just a perfect

3:36

example of that. You know, of that

3:38

things really do happen for a reason.

3:40

And least expect it. Maybe if that

3:43

will didn't happen, maybe you're... I'm assuming

3:45

this is your husband. Does that you

3:47

have a husband, Kurt? That you would

3:49

never do something like this. I say

3:52

to all my clients that grief is

3:54

such a crazy thing because it's this

3:56

emotion that really has no place to

3:59

go. And it's never, it's always going

4:01

to be there. The grief is never

4:03

gonna go away. We grieve for the

4:06

rest of our lives. But hopefully as

4:08

we get stronger, that grief gets

4:10

lighter. Because it's never gonna go

4:12

away. And I think that the other thing

4:14

is that it's also important to remember

4:16

that it's okay, no matter how, and

4:19

I don't even know why I'm saying

4:21

this, no matter how long your loved

4:23

one is gone, it's okay that if

4:25

you still feel as if it

4:27

happened yesterday it happened yesterday. That

4:30

is something I always take note when

4:32

spirit has me say something that I

4:34

typically don't in a speech I don't

4:36

even start my speech off that way

4:38

so already Your departed loved ones are

4:41

showing Maybe it's what you need or

4:43

maybe of showing that they're going to

4:45

channel in a very different way sometimes

4:47

they test me if they don't want

4:49

to follow all my rules. I'm okay

4:51

with that as long as I am

4:54

able to deliver the message the way

4:56

that you will be able to understand

4:58

it If you have any questions, please do

5:00

not be afraid to speak to me. I

5:02

invite you to the most amazing and

5:04

beautiful messages from your loved ones today.

5:06

So there are quite a few souls

5:09

on the other side. As I was

5:11

giving my speech to you, I did

5:13

see a younger soul in front. So

5:15

that means that someone left the physical

5:17

world before we feel that time. But

5:19

the reason why I'm saying that to

5:21

you is because all these other souls

5:23

stepped in front of them. And it's

5:26

almost like saying to you, letting you

5:28

know that they are not alone.

5:30

There is something else that

5:32

I heard when I was

5:34

giving my speech. So did

5:37

you lose a child? Yes,

5:39

young because what I heard

5:41

was when I was giving

5:43

my speech were, I can't

5:45

believe I am going to be

5:47

able to speak to my

5:50

parents. And then, but then also

5:52

went off and was like, oh,

5:54

look how good my mom looks.

5:56

I look awful right now. My

5:58

hair is too short. But it's more,

6:00

yeah, but you know what? This is

6:03

something that we always do to ourselves,

6:05

right? And there's a reason why souls

6:07

also make me feel this way is

6:10

also because it might even be the

6:12

way that we feel or maybe we

6:14

did make changes to ourselves since the

6:16

loss of our loved one. I'm going

6:19

to ask you this, okay, so first

6:21

I want to ask, who was the

6:23

dad that is departed? So did you

6:25

lose your dad? Both of you? We

6:28

both have, yes. So know that they

6:30

both step forward to acknowledge that the

6:32

soul isn't alone, and also there is

6:35

mother energies as well. There are several,

6:37

so it would be moms, if not

6:39

than grandmothers, because it's just validating that

6:41

bond. Did I really ask you this?

6:44

Did you lose your son? Yeah. Okay.

6:46

Yes. You asked us, we lost a

6:48

child. It was a son. Oh, okay.

6:50

Because he just keeps stepping forward more

6:53

and more as I get further on

6:55

the other side. Did he? also lose

6:57

a friend as well or is there

7:00

someone else that died I don't care

7:02

if it was a cousin or yes

7:04

his best friend so know that the

7:06

souls are together on the other side

7:09

so when a soul makes me feel

7:11

this bond of like cousin or like

7:13

another sibling it's acknowledging the relationship and

7:15

or bond so know that the both

7:18

souls are together on the other side

7:20

he says please tell my dad I'm

7:22

sorry that I died He

7:25

snapped his fingers at me, which it

7:27

means my symbol for that his soul

7:30

left unexpected and quickly Do you have

7:32

something or are you wearing something of

7:34

your sons? I don't care if it's

7:36

in your pocket if you're wearing his

7:39

watch or shirt Not even sure it

7:41

might be this shirt. Honestly. I'm not

7:43

sure Oh, it might be He just

7:46

made me feel like that you were

7:48

wearing something of his but he also

7:50

put me in your pocket so do

7:53

you have something in your pocket? I

7:55

don't care if it's a picture, if

7:57

it's his wallet. I don't have this.

8:00

wallet. Okay. I have something

8:02

that I carry with me all

8:04

the time, a picture of him

8:06

in my pocketbook right next to

8:08

me. It's not on me. That's

8:10

fine. It has to be something

8:12

where it's like in your pot,

8:14

like it's where it's in something.

8:16

And maybe that's why you'll show

8:18

me. Well, if you carry it in

8:20

your purse. He says this is how I

8:22

want you to remember me. So

8:24

if this is how his personality was or

8:27

how he was, it's not a bad

8:29

thing, I got to dig. And then

8:31

he showed me my caution sign, which

8:33

is privacy. And he just said, he

8:35

goes, just give me a minute. I was

8:37

a very private person because I

8:39

could feel guarded. So again, this

8:41

is all part of the personality

8:44

on how he was. And look,

8:46

I don't know because I asked

8:48

him, usually souls will bring me

8:50

through the departure the second I

8:52

connect with them. He just said

8:54

to me, I passed unexpectedly and

8:56

sudden and it was tragic. And I

8:58

said, okay, fine. I said, I'll accept

9:00

that. But then he said to me

9:02

three times, tell my parents no regrets.

9:05

Well, he just made me taste blood.

9:07

So. Was there a blood at the

9:09

departure or did he pass from internal

9:12

injuries? It was a car

9:14

accident. Okay. Only because he said

9:16

to me, I take responsibility for

9:18

my choices that day. Okay, that

9:21

makes sense. There also had to

9:23

be something because I don't know if

9:25

you had an uneasy feeling or if

9:27

Kurt you did, you never get like

9:30

a feeling where something's not right

9:32

and then you hear something

9:34

happens. Yeah. And I don't

9:36

know if he wasn't supposed

9:38

to be in that car

9:40

or if he was supposed

9:42

to be out at that

9:45

time, whatever it is. Because

9:47

that switching of the seat

9:49

means that something was

9:52

changed that day. So it

9:54

could be either plans, choice

9:56

of a car, whatever it

9:58

may be. Okay. And

10:00

were you supposed to see

10:03

him or be with him

10:05

and we didn't or talk

10:07

to him? No, he was

10:09

with us that night and

10:12

we had a summer party

10:14

at our house and he

10:16

left with his friends and

10:18

that's what happened. Because I

10:20

said to him, why are

10:23

you telling me again and

10:25

again, no regrets? And

10:28

then, but the regret is more

10:30

on say our part. Then he

10:32

showed me my symbol for when

10:34

that missed phone call. That is

10:37

just my symbol. Some people do

10:39

miss a phone call, but it's

10:41

my symbol for also like a

10:43

missed opportunity. Like if I said

10:45

something to them or said, you

10:47

know what, you should have stayed

10:49

home. Why did I let him?

10:51

Why did I let him go?

10:53

Or if I knew that he

10:55

wanted to go, I never would

10:57

have let him leave that. That's

10:59

my that's my burden. Okay. It's

11:02

like if we if I just

11:04

put my foot down and say

11:06

I didn't want that party Then

11:08

he wouldn't have gone out probably

11:10

that night. So now I understand

11:12

The conversation remember I said earlier

11:14

when I said things what we

11:16

say when things happen and I

11:18

said to you I normally don't

11:20

say this there's got to be

11:22

a reason This symbol is very

11:24

hard when especially when Because I

11:27

believe the hardest thing in the

11:29

world is losing a child and

11:31

parents are not supposed to bury

11:33

their children and When souls want

11:35

me to say this it's hard

11:37

because he says I need My

11:39

parents to say when we had

11:41

this if we never had the

11:43

party or if we never did

11:45

this whatever the thought is he

11:47

says I want you to look

11:49

at the other side of the

11:51

coin He says so what if

11:54

you didn't have the party mom?

11:56

And what if we went out?

11:59

within the next couple of weeks

12:01

together and you were driving and

12:03

there was a car accident and

12:05

I died and you survived he

12:07

says where would a burden or

12:10

guilt lie then we never look

12:12

at the other side now we

12:14

also know why he said we

12:16

all made decisions that night yeah

12:19

they did all of us not

12:21

just myself but not all of

12:23

them perished is that correct Okay,

12:25

so that's also where the burden

12:27

comes in as well because no

12:30

one has ever said this to

12:32

me before Was he very articulate

12:34

or like very intelligent or because

12:36

he said to me we have

12:39

displaced anger? Do you know a

12:41

soul has never said that to

12:43

me before? So I find that

12:45

so unusual So whether if it

12:47

was just the way that he

12:50

looked at life or I don't

12:52

know if he was going to

12:54

be a psychologist I don't know

12:56

But he made me feel like

12:58

that we can be As angry

13:01

he says, but we all made

13:03

decisions so we have people that

13:05

survived and others that perished Correct,

13:07

yes. Well, let me ask you

13:10

this. How do you connect with

13:12

the number three? Is he one

13:14

of three children? That's it, correct.

13:16

Okay, one of three. Because he's

13:18

telling me that he was the

13:21

miracle baby. That's good. Well, he

13:23

was the only boy. He was

13:25

the friend. But he always made

13:27

me feel like, you know, this

13:30

is also something a very deep

13:32

spiritual statement that he wants me

13:34

to make. And it's almost like

13:36

you always felt this need to

13:38

watch over him more. Oh, he

13:41

thinks so? I mean, he was

13:43

our only son, so like he

13:45

was different from girls. Of course.

13:47

Do you ever have a conversation

13:50

with him where he felt that...

13:52

that he wasn't gonna live a

13:54

long life here in the physical

13:56

world? No. No. No. But he

13:58

did say it to a friend

14:01

of his who in turn came

14:03

back to me and shared that

14:05

with me actually on Mother's Day

14:07

and didn't know if she should,

14:10

but I so appreciated her. You

14:12

know, we happened to run into

14:14

each other and she told me

14:16

what he told his best friend

14:18

in high school years ago. And

14:21

here he's having me say it.

14:23

Right. in this moment. So I'm

14:25

going to say this to you.

14:27

Incredible. Every person that you bump

14:30

into that is connected to your

14:32

son or has something to do

14:34

with, I don't care what people

14:36

think, that is your son. Because

14:38

I said to him, I am

14:41

not saying this to your parents.

14:43

How can I say to someone's

14:45

parents, it was your soul's time

14:47

to leave the physical world? How

14:49

do I say that to a

14:52

parent? How? And we have this.

14:54

senseless tragedy. We have people that

14:57

survived people that passed and our

14:59

son died. Don't tell me that

15:02

this was my son's time to

15:04

leave the physical world. But for

15:06

him to say it was something

15:09

deep in his soul. Within him.

15:11

He also said that I want

15:13

you to know that I didn't

15:16

know what was happening. at the

15:18

time of the accident. That's what

15:21

we were hoping for. Because what

15:23

he did was he hit me

15:25

in the back of the head

15:28

and snapped the fingers. That means

15:30

that whatever impact there was, did

15:32

you sit with his physical body

15:35

after he died? Yes, yes. So

15:37

know that he knew that. Because

15:40

he showed me he immediately hit

15:42

me in the back of that

15:44

blow to the chest, snapped my

15:47

fingers, then showed me you by

15:49

his bedside. knowing that he knew

15:52

that you sat with him. And

15:54

he also made me feel like

15:56

though that did he like look

15:59

perfect? Because I'm sitting there and

16:01

he was very, he was all

16:03

about how he looked. He was very,

16:06

and that day he looked perfect. He

16:08

looked like himself, you know, when we

16:10

were with him after he had passed.

16:12

So know that he says, and

16:14

look, maybe it's something that, because

16:16

he has me, he's having me

16:18

relive this moment, and then he

16:21

goes, can you believe I died?

16:23

I don't even look like I

16:25

died. Now listen, a car accident,

16:27

a lot of people, there's. Exactly.

16:29

Something happened. Something happened. He

16:31

was intact. He was intact. And

16:33

that's what I kept questioning. Like,

16:35

I can't believe he looks like

16:37

himself, you know, after. But it

16:39

was internal injuries. Exactly. Exactly. Of

16:41

why he made me taste the

16:43

blood earlier. Okay. So validating for

16:45

you that, and also I feel like

16:48

these moments, so knowing that nothing was

16:50

left unsaid, knowing that as you sat

16:52

with his physical body, his soul was

16:54

present. Did

16:57

you sit with him for some time?

16:59

Yeah, we weren't, there was

17:01

no hospital, it was not, we

17:03

were talking about the funeral home.

17:06

So we didn't get, we didn't

17:08

see him into three days, four

17:10

days after. You have to understand,

17:13

he already acknowledged from

17:15

the beginning that he was gonna

17:17

channel differently. When a soul shows me

17:19

the number three and then they feel

17:22

me, they try to pull me away.

17:24

That's my symbol for where I sat

17:26

with them for some time. Okay? Whatever

17:28

that is or if you feel that

17:30

we didn't get, so that it's usually

17:33

like three hours, I was gonna ask

17:35

you, did you sit with him for

17:37

like three hours? But you didn't get

17:39

to see him for three days later.

17:41

Exactly. Okay. Yeah, whatever it is. He says

17:43

this is how I want you to remember

17:46

me. Perfect. Because he keeps showing

17:48

me that like a light and

17:50

then everything goes dark. That's my

17:52

symbol for where he had no

17:54

idea what was happening. I actually

17:56

feel like we're laughing, we're having

17:58

a good time. Look. Sometimes people

18:00

say there could be a road

18:02

rage or there's an argument inside

18:05

the car. You know, there's so

18:07

many different things that happen. Well,

18:09

what happens, and I can share

18:11

with you when you're talking about

18:13

the bright light, there was a,

18:15

he was in a car and

18:18

they were hit head on by

18:20

someone who was. running from the

18:22

police basically. So I feel like

18:24

his headlights were on, but the

18:26

murderer who we refer to that

18:28

other person as his headlights were

18:31

not. But the car that the

18:33

kids were in, headlights were on.

18:35

Look, however you can interpret it,

18:37

it's also my simple for where

18:39

it happened so quickly, right? Yeah,

18:41

oh, yeah. And I feel laughing

18:44

in the car, like they weren't,

18:46

there was nothing, it was just,

18:48

they were going out dancing. They

18:50

were going out dancing. Right. You're

18:52

going out to a little bar

18:54

knowing that I Was having the

18:57

best night of my life And

18:59

he really was we had we

19:01

had a great night We went

19:03

from literally the highest of highs

19:05

great night friends kids family Everyone

19:07

to the lowest of lows and

19:10

your son said to me and

19:12

we haven't had a highest of

19:14

high since Okay That's what he

19:16

just, yeah, said. That's what he's

19:18

saying for you. Okay. That you

19:20

haven't had that. Right, right. He's

19:23

kind of funny. I don't know

19:25

how to describe him. He's very

19:27

reserved, but outgoing and funny. I

19:29

don't know even, I feel like

19:31

I'm contradicting myself, right? So is

19:33

that how he was? He was

19:36

a very private, you know, young

19:38

man, very respectful of authority. Everybody

19:40

took care of the grandparents, good,

19:42

just a good, just a good

19:44

kid. as were the other kids

19:46

that were with him good good

19:49

kids good family values just always

19:51

doing the right thing and and

19:53

private you know so when you

19:55

said private earlier that definitely resonated

19:57

but how always having a good

20:00

time. He was the DJ. He

20:02

was always there to make everybody

20:04

have fun. Like he wanted everybody

20:06

to have fun. But even up

20:08

until from the second his soul

20:10

left the physical body he was

20:13

having fun. Souls will show me

20:15

like like if someone passed say

20:17

in 9-11 and this is you

20:19

know they were police officers of

20:21

firemen or you know they died

20:23

doing what they love to do

20:26

and who they were right and

20:28

it's like that's what he's showing

20:30

me. I passed. at the highest

20:32

of my, like, was still laughing

20:34

and having a great time. I

20:36

wasn't afraid I didn't know that

20:39

I was going to die. So

20:41

it wasn't like we kept seeing

20:43

them, because then I don't know

20:45

the people that did survive the

20:47

accident, they don't remember much, or

20:49

they say the same thing. Everything

20:52

was fine. Who was ejected from

20:54

the vehicle? I'm not sure if

20:56

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20:58

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21:02

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21:07

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Spirit. I

24:45

just questioned him again, I said, I

24:47

want to go back to, because he

24:50

made such a statement that was so

24:52

unique that I never had before, and

24:54

why I share that, because it validates

24:57

the strength of the soul, the displaced anger.

24:59

And I don't even think it's displaced.

25:01

I just, I think what he's trying

25:03

to get me to understand is that

25:06

we have so many things of where

25:08

not only is it the death of

25:10

your son, but we have all of these

25:13

people. that are responsible

25:15

for his death and no one is

25:17

being held accountable. A

25:19

hundred percent. Nobody's being

25:22

held accountable. That's welcome

25:25

to our world now like exactly and

25:27

we get it Ryan so yeah

25:29

was loud and clear we're trying

25:31

to make it right for you

25:33

he says the reason why is

25:35

because whether if there are different

25:37

laws he made me feel like

25:39

that and he's gonna also say

25:42

He's taking the stance on this,

25:44

but it's almost for all the

25:46

people that died in that car

25:49

that night, in that tragedy, that

25:51

there's going to be some

25:53

type of law or something

25:55

passed because or in memory

25:57

of him. So whether if it's not

25:59

some... much of the accountability of

26:01

the person. Okay, it's more of

26:03

where we're going to save others

26:06

other lives. Okay, right. So there's

26:08

going to be whether some type

26:10

of law of I don't know

26:12

whether if it has to do

26:14

with even though you're just a

26:16

passenger, I don't know what is

26:18

but he showed me that. Who's

26:20

that kid? He showed me like

26:23

some like he showed me all

26:25

these other children that I know

26:27

when laws were passed in memory

26:29

of them. Okay, so whatever it

26:31

is that you're doing. What I'll

26:33

just tell you a little bit.

26:35

But what what we're trying to

26:37

do is change a New York

26:40

State law regarding when a person

26:42

dies, gets killed, wrongful

26:44

death. Okay. And who's the

26:46

responsibility like he didn't he wasn't

26:48

married, he didn't have any

26:50

dependence. So in New York State,

26:52

there was no damages. So

26:54

if a child gets killed by

26:57

a drunk driver, and there

26:59

wasn't a drunk driver in this

27:01

accident, he wasn't a child. But

27:04

if a 12 year old gets

27:06

run over by a drunk driver in

27:08

New York State, there's no damages

27:10

because the 12 year old didn't make

27:13

any money. And it's New York

27:15

and Alabama are the only two states

27:17

like this. And I've been trying

27:19

to get the law changed. Working really

27:21

hard. And we've gotten so close

27:23

to having it passed. It had never

27:25

passed with the Senate and the

27:27

Assembly for the last three hours. Gonna

27:29

happen. Okay, we hope because it

27:31

just got not with the governor. Oh,

27:34

gold. But she's vetoed it three

27:36

times. Yeah. So we're

27:38

trying. We're trying. And we're so

27:40

close. But because of Kurt and a

27:42

lot of his great he's shown

27:44

me that it's going to happen. So

27:46

I don't I don't know much

27:48

about politics. Okay, but he made me

27:50

feel like that. Neither do I.

27:52

But he also made me feel like

27:54

it's it's even better now, because

27:56

he made me feel like how

28:00

to say this because I feel

28:02

like he's newly departed so newly

28:04

for me is like within two

28:06

years like it's not a long

28:08

time that he's gone correct down

28:10

three years okay three so but

28:12

it's he made me feel like

28:14

and I even hate to bring

28:16

up this word but it's almost

28:18

like since COVID like it would

28:21

have been if this law was

28:23

passed earlier it wouldn't have the

28:25

impact that it's going to have

28:27

when it's being passed now now

28:29

it's going to get a lot

28:31

more attention it's going to me

28:33

a green and white sign and

28:35

like a name on it, that's

28:37

my symbol for when something is

28:39

going to be done in memory

28:41

of them, whether it be a

28:43

rule, but then he showed me

28:45

Bill of Rights. So that's my

28:47

symbol for like it's a law

28:50

or something, you know. No, that's

28:52

incredible. So know that he knows

28:54

and it's going to be bigger

28:56

than you ever imagined and it's

28:58

going to have more of an

29:00

impact now than it would if

29:02

it passed, even last year. Okay.

29:04

I hope. Right. With you. I

29:06

don't know what this is, but

29:08

he's bringing me into Manhattan. So

29:10

do you, you know someone? Kurt?

29:12

Or why do I feel like?

29:14

I know a lot of people.

29:16

No, no. I feel like, but

29:19

politically, I'm not, no, I shouldn't

29:21

say that. Politically, I've been just,

29:23

I don't know anybody, but I've

29:25

been fighting, I've been to Albany,

29:27

I've been to, I've met state

29:29

senators and assembly people and they've

29:31

worked with me very well as

29:33

the governor. And I don't know

29:35

a lot of that politicians like

29:37

you, but I do know a

29:39

lot about right and wrong. And

29:41

I do think we're in the

29:43

right, and it's going to one

29:45

day pass. That's probably two things.

29:48

And it gets closer every year.

29:50

You know, it hadn't been passed

29:52

for years prior to getting involved.

29:54

And it's never been changed and

29:56

we're trying to change it. But

29:58

I don't know what this is,

30:00

but he keeps telling me, you

30:02

got to write directly to the

30:04

president. have a little bit more

30:06

of an end with the incoming.

30:08

I don't know. Well, because I

30:10

said, why do you have me

30:12

in Manhattan? I was trying to

30:14

avoid this, but because I don't

30:16

like to get involved in politics.

30:19

I don't want to get it.

30:21

He had me in front of

30:23

Trump Towers. So that's where he

30:25

had me. That's pretty funny. So

30:27

I tried to go to, you

30:29

know, anyone connected to, you know,

30:31

so because, you know, Do you

30:33

have any help in me represents

30:35

a Trump family? Okay, true. This

30:37

is acknowledging the connections. It's acknowledging

30:39

of that, you know it, and

30:41

I feel like it's deep in

30:43

your soul that you even know

30:45

it, and you feel it like

30:48

it's gonna happen. You know it's

30:50

gonna happen. So close. So close.

30:52

But again, it's timing. We had

30:54

this conversation before we started. Timing

30:56

is everything. And even though we

30:58

feel it's frustrating, because your son

31:00

also made me feel like that

31:02

through this, Kurt, of you trying

31:04

to get this law passed, that

31:06

it has helped you somehow in

31:08

your grieving, being able to talk

31:10

about your son, even perfect strangers,

31:12

and to really fight for him.

31:14

He says, I know what you're

31:17

doing, dad, and I know that

31:19

this is not easy for you.

31:21

He says he goes I don't know

31:24

what was harder Teresa my dad fighting

31:26

for this law him jumping on this

31:28

zoom today Well, that's another thing because

31:31

we didn't right no, but it's so

31:33

true. We didn't know because of the

31:35

his personality I'm like I don't know

31:38

if he's going to come through I

31:40

hope to God he comes through because

31:42

he might not want to like he

31:45

might be hard to get him to

31:47

come through and look during my speech

31:49

He kept making me feel like look

31:51

at my parents my parents my parents

31:54

my parents So you know and like

31:56

I said everyone has a right to

31:58

feel and believe in their beliefs and

32:01

I I don't get what your beliefs

32:03

are. So, Teresa, let me just say

32:05

this. When it comes to the law

32:08

and not getting passed and fighting and

32:10

things like that, and I've said this

32:12

a million times, I've already lost everything.

32:14

I've never even lost everything. I've got

32:17

nothing else to lose. We do your

32:19

best and we fight. But here your

32:21

son is saying. You're doing it, dad?

32:24

He's recognizing it. You're doing it. He's

32:26

recognizing everything that you're doing and how

32:28

you're fighting. And in some way, it

32:31

helps you in your soul. It's never

32:33

going to change anything. He says, it

32:35

gives my dad this, it's almost like,

32:38

well, almost maybe you feel like you

32:40

can breathe. Or, you know what, something

32:42

has to come out of this. That

32:44

is exactly. Maybe I'm doing something for

32:47

her. Yes. Now,

32:49

did you release something in memory of

32:51

him? He showed me balloons, but then

32:53

he also showed me butterflies. So I

32:55

don't know if you... Oh my God,

32:58

okay. Amazing. Yes, so we had a

33:00

bench dedication to him. Okay, college. Oh,

33:02

we released balloons. Perfect. Butterflies. So you

33:04

know that his soul attended that in

33:06

spirit? Knowing... Now, did he go away

33:09

to school? Out of state, yeah, in

33:11

Pennsylvania. He was out of college. Right,

33:13

but he was going, he was done

33:15

with college. He was working. But, but

33:17

we had, we went back and did

33:19

a bench dedication and the school has

33:22

been amazing, so supportive, you know, just

33:24

unbelievable. So in my mind, when I

33:26

think balloons, I think of that day

33:28

with all the purple balloons going up

33:30

into the sky and incredible. And then

33:33

the butterflies of which we can't get

33:35

enough of. You like, love it. My

33:37

sign. I mean, I mean, if you

33:39

look at my necklace. Perfect. I can't

33:41

see you're not close. Can you see

33:43

now? Let's see. I'm trying to go

33:46

up. Oh, okay. Oh, okay. All right.

33:48

Listen. The menopause does something to you.

33:50

I say, even though I wear contacts.

33:52

I get it, honey. I get it.

33:54

So it's important

33:56

now. He wants me

33:59

to go to

34:01

pictures. So do you

34:03

have pictures of? The

34:06

balloon releasing with and the bench dedication

34:08

a lot because I can see his soul

34:10

in the picture So if you go

34:13

back to the pictures and really any picture

34:15

of celebration, you might see a blurb

34:17

or an orb The great thing about especially

34:19

if it's taken on a phone You

34:21

can expand it you will able to see

34:23

maybe his silhouette his features I feel

34:25

like I can see him in these pictures

34:28

So if you go back to the

34:30

pictures knowing that that is a validation that

34:32

his soul attended that in spirit Okay,

34:34

that's incredible because sidebar. I see that in

34:36

a lot of my pictures I do

34:38

have like light come through and I usually

34:40

open it up to see because in

34:43

one situation After this tragedy happened The following

34:45

year we went to a concert. He

34:47

loved Coldplay and that was gonna be our

34:49

concert to go to we were I'm

34:51

like Right when it comes Coldplay comes into

34:53

town. We're going long story short. We

34:55

wound up going After this tragedy had happened

34:58

and in all of my many pictures

35:00

There was one that I kind of looked

35:02

at and it was just about to

35:04

delete And I said, you know what let

35:06

me just look in what like the

35:08

crowd You know, you see the I literally

35:10

Teresa opened up the picture And there

35:13

was a young man in the center of

35:15

this picture that looks just like our

35:17

son And I was like, oh my god.

35:19

He was at this concert with us.

35:21

I knew it. I knew it and that

35:23

to me I will I will never

35:25

forget that I cherished that picture Incredibly so

35:28

and these are the things and what

35:30

made me do that? I don't know because

35:32

I was just about to delete it

35:34

I was just about to delete it and

35:36

and then I said, let me just

35:38

look at there's a crowd in that Let

35:40

me see let me zoom in I

35:43

almost fell off my chair and I showed

35:45

it to many other people after that

35:47

and nobody could believe it You know, they

35:49

would believe it but until they saw

35:51

that picture, right? They truly didn't believe it

35:53

So it was incredible. No that he

35:55

will continue to show himself to you Well,

35:58

whose brother died? Okay,

36:00

we had two brothers in the car.

36:02

There was, my son, his best

36:04

friend changed and his brother Michael.

36:06

Because I said to him, he goes,

36:09

tell them I'm with the brother

36:11

too. Okay, Michael. That's Michael. So

36:13

no, I don't know if you were thinking,

36:15

oh, I wonder if he's there. When

36:17

you first started to talk about it

36:19

earlier, yes, you were talking about like

36:22

a connection. Right, so know that. They

36:24

both step forward, but then they're saying,

36:26

look, we have the brother with us

36:29

also. So know that they are all

36:31

together on the other side. Why do

36:33

I feel removed from the other person

36:35

that passed? Do we not know them?

36:37

No, the driver. The Uber driver. So

36:40

we didn't know them. We didn't know

36:42

him. OK. So he made me feel

36:44

removed. So knowing that all of the

36:46

souls are together on the other side.

36:48

That's good. That's such a comfort.

36:51

And I'm going to say this

36:53

to you. I heard, I don't

36:55

usually hit things like

36:58

that, I heard this person

37:00

say, I didn't even

37:02

see them coming. So

37:04

it was like I

37:07

didn't, and it's almost

37:09

like the soul, I

37:11

don't know how to

37:14

interpret this for you,

37:16

I felt the soul

37:18

weeping. Would

37:20

have done anything that I

37:22

could to prevent this, but

37:25

I didn't know No one saw

37:27

it coming. No one saw it

37:29

running from the cops at

37:31

a hundred miles an hour

37:33

in the window headlights aren't

37:36

in the pitch black. Yeah crashed

37:38

into So nobody saw it

37:40

coming It was awful. I'm just

37:42

like my I'm sick to my

37:45

stomach 24-7 and that just made

37:47

me sick again like I just

37:49

got literally just made me sick

37:51

of and I then he made

37:53

me feel that anger of the

37:56

displaced of you're gonna tell me

37:58

that that is not worth here.

38:00

It's acknowledging for you that I'm

38:02

going to say this to you

38:04

because I asked your son Kurt

38:07

I said why are you showing

38:09

me that this whatever your dad

38:11

is doing is going to be

38:14

bigger than what he then what

38:16

you think Kurt so we might

38:18

just be going for one thing

38:21

but he's showing me that it's

38:23

also going to then do this

38:25

but it's then going to go

38:27

in another direction of accountability of

38:30

laws being changed for criminals like

38:32

a wrongful death but it's going

38:34

to be more of like where

38:37

it's the bad guys like right

38:39

like be accountable why are we

38:41

the victim right we're talking about

38:43

accountability for people's actions and in

38:46

certain circumstances here right now in

38:48

New York State because of this

38:50

antiquated law they can avoid responsibility

38:53

and public responsibility. And that's what

38:55

I'm looking for more transparency. People

38:57

held accountable for their actions, not

39:00

just in my son's thing. My

39:02

son's thing led me to the

39:04

law. I think it's inequitable for

39:06

a lot of people, not just

39:09

me. And it's not just about

39:11

me and Ryan. And like you

39:13

said, it's not going to change

39:16

anything. But it's going to make

39:18

people accountable for Doing the wrong

39:20

thing to children and other people

39:23

which right now. They're not accountable

39:25

for so but it's not just

39:27

this It's gonna be it's gonna

39:29

branch out to so many other

39:32

things and And here's the other

39:34

thing I always say Things always

39:36

come around of unique things that

39:39

I talk about with people before

39:41

the reading I'm going to say

39:43

this a thousand percent this is

39:45

going to happen in a much

39:48

bigger way. Because how long ago

39:50

did I run into you? Right?

39:52

Exactly. Right? And it's happening now

39:55

and he's clearly saying that now

39:57

is the time for it. So

40:01

I'm leaving here. I'm driving

40:03

up to all. Yeah, he's

40:05

gonna drive up to all

40:07

men and talk to the

40:09

government We'll bring our pictures.

40:11

We'll bring our people. I'll

40:13

tell her Teresa Center And

40:15

she'll go who's she? You

40:17

know, you know, you know,

40:19

you know, I can exactly

40:21

You should be covenant when

40:23

I should I listen I

40:25

thought about it now Listen,

40:27

I also learned that there

40:29

are a lot of, and

40:31

if you don't mind me

40:33

saying this, and I don't

40:35

mean to sound cold, there

40:37

are a lot of moving

40:39

parts to things. So we

40:41

might just look at one

40:43

thing, or one person, but

40:45

there's a lot more. And

40:47

I think why your son

40:49

is having me say this,

40:51

because dad, now it's gonna

40:53

go bigger than you ever

40:55

imagined. And that's what

40:58

you're putting your time in. Because he

41:00

keeps showing me. We're going to get

41:02

it on. Like I can't explain, like

41:04

it's almost like he's showing me like

41:06

a son. You know, like you have

41:08

the son and then the rays of

41:10

the sun. Everything that's illuminating from the

41:12

sun, the rays, is going to be

41:14

all different avenues of different laws, different

41:17

protections, whatever it is, because it's not

41:19

just one thing. But it will help

41:21

so many people. We have quiters. We're

41:23

going to get it done. It will

41:25

help so many people. I mean, you

41:27

look back to like the Bronx fire.

41:29

That was kind of like the big

41:31

before us. A lot of things like

41:33

a lot of different, you know, situations

41:36

that had so much tragedy involved to

41:38

children and bridal parties going out for,

41:40

you know, getting hit, you know, out

41:42

of ease, you know, person driving drunk

41:44

things like that that it will help

41:46

so many different people other than just

41:48

ourselves like we're givers we you know

41:50

we try to do the best we

41:52

can to help others so that's hopefully

41:55

what he means by by that like

41:57

bigger and better and branching out You

41:59

know? The perfect time is now. No.

42:01

The time is now. We would not

42:03

have made the impact if it was

42:05

last year. Because he made me feel

42:07

like last year you were so close.

42:09

It was like you thought you were

42:11

going to get it. Like you thought

42:14

finally it was going to happen. But

42:16

it needed to go this way. Okay,

42:18

we keep working. So there are several

42:21

things he says so I saw big

42:23

celebrations for the sisters So it could

42:25

be I don't know if they were

42:27

I don't know how well they are

42:29

graduations weddings, whatever it may be children

42:32

But he made me feel like I

42:34

want my siblings my sisters to know

42:36

that I'm very proud of them

42:38

for still continuing with their dreams

42:41

And that as hard as it

42:43

is, as hard as it is, I'm

42:45

glad that they're not stopping

42:47

their life because I died.

42:49

And it's the hardest thing

42:51

that they have to do. And

42:56

I don't know, did somebody make

42:59

t-shirts for him or something? Or

43:01

put something with his picture on

43:03

it? Like a logo? Okay. A lot

43:05

of things. Three boys. So know that he

43:07

knows what was done in memory and

43:10

in honor of him. He also shows

43:12

me, I can see in your house,

43:14

he has me down these hallways, and

43:17

I walk down one particular hallway, and

43:19

I really feel like I feel him

43:21

or see him. So I don't know

43:24

if you... feel and I see things

43:26

as far as a silhouette or a

43:28

shadow. Whatever you see or feel, sometimes

43:31

people just feel a heaviness or they

43:33

just feel like there's something in the

43:35

room, but there's nothing there. Know

43:37

that that is him. Now is

43:39

his room still at your house?

43:41

Yes. Still intact. And so know that

43:44

when you go in there, you touches things?

43:46

I do. And then he shows me, she

43:48

goes to, she tries to put it back

43:50

exactly how I like the truth. He goes,

43:52

she'll literally move it and then walk away

43:54

and look at it and go, no, that's

43:56

not right. I didn't go back. So it's

43:58

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Any time, terms apply. He

45:04

keeps showing me a watch so

45:06

you either have to there's something

45:08

with a connection with a watch

45:10

Or you connect with time like

45:12

you see the numbers are all

45:14

the same or the time is

45:16

always the same Or it's like

45:18

it's his birthday. We like to

45:20

be on time Oh, you know,

45:22

so do I, but I find

45:24

myself not. No, he had watches

45:26

and we've been, I'm not a

45:28

watch wearer, but we've been giving

45:30

watches to some of his closest

45:32

friends to remember. Right. As like

45:34

a wedding gift is part of

45:36

a wedding gift to his closest

45:38

friends. But I do have one

45:40

of his watches in my jewelry

45:42

box, which I'm not parting with.

45:44

So like that's okay. This is

45:46

his way of acknowledging when souls

45:48

bring up things, especially of their

45:50

personal possessions. It's always to that

45:52

they support our choices and decisions

45:54

of what we choose to do

45:56

but there is something with time

45:58

because they just show me 4

46:01

4 4 so there has to

46:03

be something where you kidding me

46:05

yet like no that's insane what

46:07

that did it for you Nina

46:09

the other shit wasn't good that

46:11

that's crazy oh my god is

46:13

our four is our number like

46:15

that is our that is like

46:17

our jack but when you see

46:19

that on the phone you know

46:21

how many screenshots of four four

46:23

I have my phone now when

46:25

I pick up my phone and

46:27

I look at it 404 or

46:29

1244. Before we started with you,

46:31

before we started with you, 1244,

46:33

I grabbed my phone just to

46:35

look this and I was like,

46:37

oh my God, Kurt, it's 1240.

46:39

I took a screenshot. I was

46:41

like, four was a sports number

46:43

and one of them and we

46:45

see is a sign. Right. And

46:47

then the brothers, the brothers number

46:49

was number four. So they shared

46:51

the number four in their sports

46:53

activities. So 444. is like the

46:55

jackpot when you get to that

46:57

number because you know they're all

46:59

all together spiritually and we look

47:01

up there and we say hi

47:03

to them and we tell them

47:05

we love that. He's validating also

47:07

my God what you sense and

47:09

feel is real. Kurt did I

47:11

ask you this already did your

47:13

dad pass? Yeah in between Riley

47:15

Pass first and then my fault

47:17

passed so your dad said to

47:19

me please tell my son. That

47:23

the pain that he feels He's

47:25

making me feel like the pain

47:28

that he carried of his grandson's

47:30

loss It's almost like it doesn't

47:32

even begin to compare what you

47:35

feel and I think it's your

47:37

dad's way of acknowledging that he

47:39

like really fully understands How you

47:42

feel? And he says and I

47:44

am sorry that my son has

47:46

to Live the rest of his

47:49

life with this pain, and I

47:51

would do anything to take that

47:54

from him And he says and

47:56

I need my son to know

47:58

that I am forever proud that

48:01

of the man that

48:03

you are, the family

48:05

that you raised. And

48:08

I am so deeply

48:10

sorry for the pain

48:12

that you carry. Do

48:15

you have a book of

48:17

your dad's? I don't

48:19

know if it was

48:21

a journal or if

48:23

he was a big

48:25

reader or a special book of

48:27

his. He grew up in Germany

48:29

and things like that. So during

48:31

the war and stuff like that.

48:33

So we have some of that.

48:35

Yeah. We have a family tree

48:37

going way back that his father

48:40

gave put together. My grandfather. We

48:42

have certain things. Yeah. Well, because

48:44

it was specifically about a book and

48:46

when I opened the pages, I saw

48:48

like his handwriting. So that's why I

48:50

said a journal or so just know

48:52

that every time you go through those,

48:54

the souls are with you at those

48:56

exact moments. And I wish I shared

48:58

with you more. or I could have

49:00

done more for you. That's all that

49:03

did everything he could do. He

49:05

was a great man. But wishing he

49:07

could have done even more. Because

49:10

it's almost, it's almost like

49:12

your dad is acknowledging like you

49:14

look at someone and you can

49:16

feel their pain. You know what,

49:18

you feel it yourself because

49:21

he says this was my

49:23

grandson. He says, but when my soul

49:25

got to heaven and I could feel

49:27

what my son felt. It

49:29

didn't even compare. And

49:31

who passed from the

49:34

brain like Alzheimer's or

49:36

Demento or they couldn't

49:38

communicate in the end? Who's

49:40

the mom connected with that?

49:43

No mom. So give it

49:45

a sample. Yeah. You know, not

49:47

that I can think. Could she

49:49

not communicate in the end or

49:52

there was something? I mean she

49:54

was incapacitated so it could be

49:56

my my aunt. How do you

49:58

connect with Ruby? I have a

50:01

ruby ring from my ass. Oh,

50:03

okay. So know that it's her,

50:05

validating that. All of the soul.

50:07

She wants it back. She told

50:09

me I could have it. Look,

50:11

I always asked souls, because I

50:13

feel that your son did it

50:15

in the beginning when he brought

50:17

forward his friend that passed. And

50:19

I didn't know at the time

50:21

that they... died together, but I

50:24

always want souls to bring forward

50:26

other souls that we would never

50:28

expect to bring up, to acknowledge

50:30

the soul circle. And look, this

50:32

is what I do for a

50:34

living. I've been doing this for

50:36

over 25 years. Your son blew

50:38

me away with the fact about

50:40

timing is everything, of that this

50:42

was all about not only validating

50:44

the soul in an afterlife, but

50:46

also that never to give up.

50:49

and that this what you are

50:51

going to get past is going

50:53

to be bigger because it's almost

50:55

like you're going to do this

50:57

Kurt and it's going to keep

50:59

going like you're going to keep

51:01

it's going to just keep going

51:03

and going. Find something else to

51:05

tell you. Unfortunately it'll keep you

51:07

busy. That's going to keep you

51:09

busy when you retire that's going

51:12

to keep you busy and moving

51:14

forward and on riot. You know

51:16

and you still have his car

51:18

or do you drive his car?

51:20

Which is 10 minutes ago, half

51:22

an hour. Perfect. So know that

51:24

your son was with you and

51:26

he heard everything that you said

51:28

to him. Well, I am so

51:30

sorry for the loss of your

51:32

son. I want to thank you

51:34

for allowing me to share my

51:37

gift with you. Not only that,

51:39

but more importantly for trusting me

51:41

with the soul. Thank you. And

51:43

this session is just such an

51:45

amazing validation of. not only an

51:47

afterlife, but they truly do know

51:49

what we're doing. Yeah, that's awesome.

51:51

And that's what you would hope

51:53

and pray for. Yeah. But it's

51:55

nice to have validation of that.

52:02

I'm Nina Keese. Kurt Keese. We live

52:04

in Manhattan. We were hoping to hear

52:07

from our 25-year-old son Ryan, who definitely

52:09

came through with Teresa. Amazing. Us being

52:11

here on the hay spirit today, it's

52:14

definitely, you cannot make this up. It

52:16

was meant to be, as I discussed

52:18

with Teresa, the way that we met

52:21

and the fact that we're now here

52:23

on the podcast, it's pretty incredible. So

52:25

somebody wanted us to get together and

52:27

meet, and I feel that was definitely

52:30

Ryan. One thing that blew me away

52:32

was when she flat out said, okay,

52:34

what does the number 444 mean to

52:37

you? That is like the, like aha

52:39

moment for our family. There's a lot

52:41

of different numbers. She got the right

52:44

one. She got the right number, butterflies,

52:46

just a lot of things that you

52:48

wouldn't know about us, you know, from

52:51

looking something up on, you know, researching

52:53

someone. And then with Kurt. Did she

52:55

pick lottery numbers first? And then with

52:57

Kurt, there's a law that he's been

53:00

really actively trying to pursue in the

53:02

state of New York. How many people

53:04

are trying to change laws? Not too

53:07

many. And she hit that nail on

53:09

the head. And yeah, it was amazing.

53:11

And with Ryan's direction, you know, with

53:14

him coming out and saying, keep working

53:16

on it, it's going to be bigger

53:18

and better than you can imagine. This

53:21

is the year. So pretty incredible. And

53:23

we hope it is the year for

53:25

this law to change. needed to diligent

53:28

notes and I'm sure I'm going to

53:30

hear about it a lot. Well, yeah.

53:32

Well, I jotted down topics, but she

53:34

did talk about our daughters and she

53:37

did not know we had daughters. She

53:39

mentioned your son wants to acknowledge these

53:41

wonderful accomplishments your daughters have had. So

53:44

that was another thing that grasped me.

53:46

Nowhere in our conversation prior did we

53:48

talk about our other kids. So that

53:51

was pretty incredible. But I feel like

53:53

for me, she covered a lot. Yeah,

53:55

I mean you have to have a

53:58

sense of peace. that this is what

54:00

we have. Yeah, we're not going to

54:02

change what happened. So we have to

54:04

deal with what we have and this

54:07

was to help confirm what we're believing

54:09

and what we're feeling. So that's helpful.

54:11

I felt comforted too, you know, just

54:14

knowing and getting validation from her, what

54:16

Ryan was saying that it happened so

54:18

quickly and just... you know in the

54:21

snap of your fingers that was it

54:23

there was no pain there was no

54:25

suffering and you know as parents that's

54:28

what you hope if you have to

54:30

live through such a horrible tragedy and

54:32

she definitely has a gift and and

54:34

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54:37

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