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this podcast. Hi

3:39

and welcome back to how I

3:41

quit alcohol today in the Zoom

3:43

room. I'm so so stoked to

3:45

have this guest on. She's a

3:47

very special person to me. We've

3:49

been working together for quite some

3:51

time just doing private coaching together

3:53

and I've just watched this incredible

3:55

journey of growth and self -discovery

3:57

and acceptance and I just am

3:59

very pumped to have this person

4:01

on. Lindy from Brizzy. Lindy how

4:03

are you today gorgeous one? Oh,

4:06

good. Thank you, Danny. How are

4:08

you? I'm very good. I'm so

4:10

happy to have you on. I'm

4:12

just absolutely stoked. So thank you

4:14

so much for coming on today. Lindy,

4:17

just for the listeners, firstly, how old

4:19

are you? So I'm

4:21

62, just about to turn 63. Awesome.

4:24

Beautiful. And how long have you

4:26

been so before? Oh,

4:28

so 20 months coming onto two

4:30

years. So very excited. Amazing.

4:33

Congratulations. It's awesome. I'm

4:35

just like beaming here for the listeners. Just tell

4:37

us a little bit about your background if

4:39

you can. Where you grew up? What life was

4:41

like growing up? Well, so I

4:43

had a pretty typical upbringing. I was just

4:45

my brother and I'm a mum and

4:47

dad. We lived in Armadale in New South

4:49

Wales. And it was just

4:51

a very normal, functional family. Mum

4:53

and dad were great. They used to

4:55

have a lot of dinner parties.

4:58

It was always sort of alcohol around,

5:00

but I don't ever think that

5:02

that was... of an issue for me

5:04

not that I look back on

5:06

yeah, and I had a very normal

5:08

every day up being I'm very

5:10

grateful for actually. Yeah, so Beautiful and

5:12

when did you start drinking? Oh,

5:14

I think socially I started drinking probably

5:16

when I was about 18 or 19

5:19

just a big group of friends and

5:21

We'd sort of go out then we

5:23

all got jobs. We were all in

5:25

either in the bank or and we'd

5:27

meet Friday afternoons and have Friday afternoon

5:29

sessions and I mean the pubs used

5:31

to close at a reasonable hour in

5:34

those days so we would go back

5:36

to someone else's house but yeah we

5:38

always had big weekends of drinking and

5:40

I mean it was just the norm

5:42

that was what we did I don't

5:44

think there was anything out of the

5:46

great norm there that we'd all just

5:49

had fun together yeah we were constantly

5:51

drinking every weekend and a lot of

5:53

a lot of drinking like you know

5:55

we would have big parties and drink

5:57

for quite some time early into the

5:59

morning. But mostly just

6:01

having good time and just letting your hair

6:03

down. So

6:06

as you got older, how did the drinking,

6:08

did it start to progress further? How did

6:10

it start to sort of take hold to

6:12

a point where you were starting to feel

6:14

a bit uncomfortable about it? So

6:16

drinking was always a really social thing for

6:18

us. We had a lot of friends, always

6:21

had Friday night drinks with the

6:23

kids that all come around and

6:25

I guess All through

6:27

that, well, obviously, I didn't drink when

6:29

I had the girls and things

6:31

like that, but even after that, we

6:33

were very, very social. We had

6:36

big groups of friends, lots of parties,

6:38

all the kids were there, and

6:40

then it really wasn't, I didn't

6:42

think, an issue. Probably

6:45

until I moved away, we moved

6:47

up to Brisbane to live, and

6:49

I think... of an afternoon, it was

6:51

just the thing to do, you cook

6:53

the dinner, you got the kids all

6:56

sorted, had a glass of wine, and

6:58

then one glass of wine would turn

7:00

into two glasses of wine, and it

7:02

just pretty much rollercoastered from me, from

7:04

there. And then I was

7:07

drinking a bottle of wine a night,

7:09

and then I just, I would maybe

7:11

have the glass out of the

7:13

second bottle, and then I thought to

7:15

myself, oh, this is just not

7:17

quite right. So the pain

7:19

was there about probably 10 years

7:22

before I actually did give up. So

7:24

yeah. Yeah. That's really interesting

7:26

for people listening too, that sometimes it

7:28

does take some time to get to

7:30

the point where you realize, no, enough's

7:32

enough. Okay. So drinking a bottle a

7:34

night, most nights sounding like, what was

7:36

it doing for you? What were you

7:38

looking forward to with that drink when

7:40

you would have it? Well, I

7:42

think it was just the start. It

7:44

was that, you know, that ease downtime, like

7:46

you could. and you know

7:48

one of the girls would pop in

7:50

so that would probably be another bottle

7:52

of wine and it was just I

7:55

don't know that I ever felt that

7:57

I couldn't talk and I always had

7:59

really good relationships but you know it

8:01

was just that down time where everything

8:03

was easy you could sit and you

8:05

could talk about anything and you could

8:07

everything was just I don't know probably

8:09

calmer and now I look back after

8:11

doing the work with you I look

8:13

back it probably was just made

8:16

me taking away some inhibitions or it

8:18

was just washing off the day and

8:20

just relax time more than anything. Yeah,

8:22

and we all want to relax, right?

8:24

We all want to feel like we

8:27

have no inhibitions because it feels good.

8:29

Let's face it. It feels good when

8:31

you're in that flow and you just

8:33

carefree. And so that's a perfectly

8:35

normal thing to want. And it was just

8:37

really a habit. It was just like we'd

8:39

sit down, everyone would come. My

8:41

husband had come home from work. I'd

8:43

have a wine while I was cooking

8:45

dinner. he'd have a beer and that

8:47

was just our chat time and everyone

8:49

else would stop like they would have

8:51

dinner they'd have a glass of wine

8:53

but i would continue like i would

8:56

think okay i've got the half bottle

8:58

of wine open in the fridge so

9:00

i may as well finish that so

9:02

i'd be washing up in the kitchen

9:04

everyone else would be you know homework

9:06

watching telly doing whatever but no i'd

9:08

be still having a little drink in

9:10

the kitchen while i was cleaning up

9:12

and And again, they went the other

9:14

half the bottle. Yes,

9:16

yeah. And that's the problem, isn't it? I

9:18

think it's not so much a problem

9:20

just to have a glass of wine or

9:22

whatever if it's not problematic. But when

9:24

it's starting to get problematic and that we

9:27

need it or that... are finishing off

9:29

the rest of the bottle or everyone else

9:31

has stopped. We're still going. That's definitely

9:33

some warning signs. So you started to notice,

9:35

yep, and you're getting a bit of

9:37

a pang about it. I haven't

9:39

gone through this myself. I know. But what was

9:41

it like for you when you're getting the pang

9:43

but still kind of doing it anyway? Oh,

9:46

I think that was where it all sort

9:48

of started. And I thought to myself, it was

9:50

little things like if there wasn't a bottle

9:52

of wine in the fridge when I got home

9:54

of an afternoon, I'll have to go back

9:56

out to the bottle shop. and

9:58

get a bottle of wine. The fact

10:00

that there wasn't a bottle of wine and it didn't, if

10:02

I thought it didn't cross the mind, I would just go and

10:04

have a drink, you know. So I

10:07

would hop in the car, or I would bring my husband,

10:09

or I would say, can you bring a bottle of wine

10:11

home? And it was on. And then I thought to myself, gee,

10:14

that's a bit weird, you know, but

10:16

I still just had the bottle of

10:18

wine and just kept going. And then

10:20

I thought to myself, before

10:22

my 60th birthday, I

10:24

thought I'll just have a couple

10:27

of months off. drinking, which I

10:29

did. I didn't have a drink

10:31

for nine months. And I thought,

10:33

oh, that's easy. You know, that was

10:35

good. I'm fine. And then I

10:37

had a drink from a 60th birthday

10:39

and I'm quite open to say

10:41

it was peer group pressure. One's not

10:44

going to hurt you. You'll be

10:46

fine. Well, yeah, that one hurt

10:48

me, isn't it? Because that was

10:50

the one thing I have realised and

10:52

I know now. I just can't

10:54

moderate. It's just not in my personality.

10:56

It's something there and through this

10:58

I've learnt that with chocolate. So I

11:00

stopped drinking with this time or

11:02

when I after the nine months I

11:04

had a drink and then that

11:06

one one drink led to another drink

11:08

to another drink and the pattern

11:10

was straight back. In that

11:12

nine months I've dig little or no

11:14

work on myself because I was unaware

11:16

of any work to be done and

11:18

I was back drinking before I knew

11:20

where I was and Just

11:22

that feeling of a morning when you

11:24

woke up, you know, that

11:26

yucky feeling in your tummy, like, what

11:29

did I say? And

11:31

I do remember one night, I think

11:33

I had a fight with my husband

11:35

and I couldn't even remember what it

11:37

was about. And I think

11:39

I actually said that night, I'm going

11:41

to leave. I'm not putting up

11:43

with this anymore. And then the next

11:46

morning, I couldn't even remember Danny

11:48

what I was leaving for. Been

11:50

there, done that. And then

11:52

I thought, right, okay, there's something

11:54

not quite right here. Then

11:56

I realized I was, well,

11:59

now I know it was so be

12:01

curious. And then I realized every afternoon I

12:03

would make sure there was something in

12:05

that fridge. Probably not every afternoon because I

12:07

would do it over a week to

12:09

make sure there was enough wine in the

12:11

fridge. And my thing would be, oh,

12:13

if people call in, but when I

12:15

paired it all back, it was so that there

12:17

was something in the fridge for me to drink. And

12:21

I thought, wow. And

12:23

that was the day I decided it

12:25

was just so trivial. My

12:27

husband had been away for the day or

12:29

for the weekend. He'd come home. It was

12:31

Saturday night. I remember it like

12:33

it was yesterday. And he came

12:35

in and I just assumed he would

12:37

bring home a bottle of wine. And

12:40

I had been busy that day. I hadn't been

12:42

to the bottle shop. I think it was only

12:44

five o 'clock in the afternoon. And

12:46

I said, oh, did you... a bottle of wine

12:48

home or something like that. just said, sorry, I

12:50

didn't. I'll go and grab one now and we

12:52

can have a bottle of wine with dinner. And

12:55

for some reason, I was just so

12:57

angry. I could not

12:59

believe that there was not a bottle of wine there.

13:02

And I thought, oh no, this is not right. And

13:04

he said, look, I'll go and get it. But

13:06

I didn't get angry at him. It was in internal.

13:09

He said, I'll go and get us a bottle of wine. I said,

13:11

no, forget it. Just don't worry about it. And

13:13

then that was it. I thought, no, this is

13:15

not normal. And then

13:17

I had been looking around through

13:19

podcasts the very next day I

13:21

found you, how I could alcohol.

13:24

I listened to a couple of those and

13:26

it just resonated with me. And

13:29

I thought, right, this is where the

13:31

journey starts. And I set myself 12

13:33

months. And that was

13:35

where I was going to go and do the

13:37

12 months with you. And yeah, that was it. Amazing,

13:40

Lindy. Oh my God. Firstly

13:42

too, thank you so much for being

13:44

so honest because that's super brave and

13:46

I just absolutely fucking love it. I

13:48

just love that. Especially to talk about

13:50

how you felt angry when there wasn't

13:52

wine there in the fridge. But

13:55

I love also that you didn't take it on your

13:57

husband but it was internal. How did

13:59

you move through that in the night? Like how

14:01

did you get through that agitation? Oh,

14:03

I think I just glued

14:05

myself to the television. and

14:08

ate a block of chocolate and

14:10

just went to bed cranky. And

14:13

then I remember in lying there

14:15

thinking to myself, this is ridiculous,

14:17

Lindy. Like, you are angry

14:19

over a bottle of wine not being in the fridge. Why

14:21

didn't you just go and get a bottle of wine

14:23

if you're that angry? But then

14:25

I kind of knew that that anger

14:27

wasn't normal. I don't know

14:29

why, but it was just something there

14:31

that said that anger wasn't normal. And

14:34

then, yeah, so that was it. And

14:36

I thought, OK, let's see how we

14:38

go. So I was pretty determined. I

14:40

was pretty determined. And then

14:42

I was really fearful because I'd done

14:44

it for nine months in one stint

14:47

before. I was really fearful

14:49

that I hadn't achieved anything there.

14:51

Still, I'm not knowing that there's

14:53

all this work to do. And

14:55

then I listened to you and

14:57

I listened to Ash. And

14:59

I remember him saying, just make

15:01

it easy. Just don't make

15:03

it hard for yourself. Just make

15:05

it easy. Tell yourself it's easy.

15:08

So I just went every day

15:10

and I religiously, until I worked

15:12

up enough courage to email you,

15:14

I religiously listened to the podcast, every

15:17

single one and it just, everything,

15:20

everyone was feeling resonated with me.

15:23

But the most amazing thing was

15:25

that feeling of waking up of

15:27

a morning even early and not

15:29

having to think. Oh, what did

15:31

I say last night? Or you

15:33

remember that feeling when someone would

15:35

say, I told you that 10

15:38

minutes ago? Or I

15:40

told you that last night? Or my

15:42

daughters would say to me, Mum,

15:44

we had this conversation. Now,

15:46

how embarrassing is that? And

15:48

then I think a couple of times one of my

15:50

daughters, she's gorgeous. She'd pull the wall over my eyes.

15:52

She'd say, I told you, Mum. I

15:54

sin now. You didn't tell

15:56

me that because mine was clear.

15:58

It's exactly what you told

16:00

me. So yeah, so we

16:02

had a few laughs about that. Yeah.

16:04

Oh, Lindy, I can relate. My best

16:07

friend, Lisa, she doesn't hold back ever. She's

16:09

half Italian and just a bit feisty.

16:11

And she would always say to me,

16:14

I'd go to tell her something. She goes, oh,

16:16

fuck. I know you already told me this

16:18

last week. I'd ask her something. She goes, oh,

16:20

fuck it. told you already what the fuck

16:22

is wrong with you like so embarrassing yeah piss

16:25

head you know she does have a bit

16:27

of a go at me and it's really great

16:29

even at the time i'd be like oh

16:31

be so embarrassed and cringy but also really glad

16:33

that she did have the guts sometimes to

16:35

pull me up on it because every time she

16:37

pulled me up on it i'd have to

16:39

kind of face the fact that i knew i

16:41

was doing it not just with her and

16:44

did you ever have that thing where you would

16:46

be broaching a

16:48

conversation with someone but sort of feeling

16:50

out patting out to see if you'd

16:52

already kind of already had the conversation

16:54

Danny all the time all the time

16:56

and and I think I was aware

16:58

of it but it's amazing what you

17:00

can sports down it's amazing what you

17:02

can tell yourself is okay but then

17:04

you just know and I do remember

17:06

once we were sitting at a table

17:08

dinner party or something like that and

17:10

I do remember my gorgeous husband just

17:12

looked and he said you've already told

17:14

that story Just ever so quietly, so

17:16

as not to embarrass me. But

17:18

when someone's got to do that for you, you think,

17:21

oh, OK, right. So that probably added

17:23

to it too. But yeah. God,

17:25

I just can't even imagine you as

17:27

that person because I've hardly ever

17:30

known you as the sober person doing

17:32

the work. But yeah. So what

17:34

about your friends? Did they really identify

17:36

with you as I'm assuming as

17:38

being the drinker? Oh that's actually something

17:40

Danny too that I did work

17:43

through with you because I felt after

17:45

I stopped drinking I really felt

17:47

like the enabler. I felt

17:49

like that person everyone would come to and

17:51

I'm sure if I went around to

17:53

my friend's house we'd have a wine there

17:55

too but like the girls would come

17:57

in and visit and so I would just

17:59

automatically open a bottle of wine on

18:01

a weekend that bottle of wine would become

18:03

one bottle of wine. Now I'm able

18:05

to say it. I can remember people saying,

18:07

oh, okay, we'll head off now. And

18:09

I'll say, oh, no, just one more. We'll

18:11

just have one more. So

18:14

I think I enabled everyone

18:16

to have a drink. And

18:18

I think I made that quite

18:20

easy for a couple of my girlfriends

18:23

that probably were just teetering, you

18:25

know, I'm probably drinking too much, but

18:27

so come with Lindy. Yeah, so

18:29

I saw myself for a long time

18:31

and still do to a certain

18:33

extent is the enabler because the

18:35

amount of alcohol or lack of alcohol

18:38

that people drink now is just

18:40

I still notice it and I think,

18:42

oh gosh, I must have been

18:44

the one that said, oh, let's have

18:46

the next bottle of wine. Come

18:48

on, bring another one because everyone seems

18:51

to know when to stop. I

18:53

used to get revved up. So I'd be

18:56

okay to hear and then all of a

18:58

sudden everyone else would be getting tired, ready

19:00

to go to bed, or something. Well, the

19:02

party would be just starting for me. And

19:05

that's when I would probably

19:07

start to drink faster. The

19:09

later in the night that it got, and

19:11

that sort of became a bit of a habit

19:13

too, like late nights. Yeah. Were

19:15

you blacking out? I think

19:17

I can actually say yes, to be honest with

19:19

you. I think there were times, even when

19:22

I was sitting down watching television, Everyone

19:24

would go to bed. Why wouldn't I? I've gone to

19:26

bed, I don't know. I sat there and had another

19:28

glass of wine and pretended I was watching TV. And

19:30

I would be dead to the world. And

19:33

I'd wake up and I'd think, oh, and

19:35

off I'd go. So yes, I think I'd

19:37

have to say that there were times that

19:39

I had definitely blacked out. Yeah,

19:41

100 % you're same. You're still for a

19:43

secret when you think about that. Oh,

19:45

God, I know. It just makes me, ugh,

19:47

it's awful. So, OK, I'm jumping ahead

19:49

of myself here. Do the friends still come

19:51

around? Oh, yes, and

19:53

I've been very lucky there, but so

19:55

many said, Lindy, you don't drink

19:57

too much. You haven't got a problem.

20:00

And a lot of people said that,

20:02

you know, even my mom, God love

20:04

her. She said, oh, Lindy, I don't

20:06

think you have a problem. And

20:08

lots of people said that, Danny,

20:11

lots of people. But what

20:13

they probably didn't know is

20:15

that the tolerance with me. I

20:18

didn't need them to see the problem.

20:20

I knew the problem was there because it

20:22

was just, you know that it's

20:24

all or none. Like I could

20:26

either have one drink and drink

20:28

masses or just not have any.

20:31

There is never that one for me. And

20:33

I look back now and I don't know.

20:35

I tried to go back as far as

20:37

I could. I don't think I've ever been

20:39

that person that's had one glass of wine

20:41

and thought, oh, that's lovely. Okay,

20:43

I'll go home and have a cup of coffee now or

20:46

something like that. No. can relate,

20:48

absolutely. So the friends, they

20:50

come around now that you're not drinking?

20:52

Yeah, yeah. And I have been very

20:54

lucky because it hasn't worried me having

20:56

it in the house. So I'm

20:58

happy if people come here or I go

21:00

there, I'm happy for everyone to have

21:03

a drink. It doesn't worry me.

21:05

I have been very, very blessed and I'm

21:07

very aware of that, that that's

21:09

been because that's made the journey so

21:11

much easier because I haven't had to have

21:13

a total shutdown. I really

21:15

understand how lucky i am to

21:17

have that little wiring absolutely 100 %

21:19

because so many people don't so

21:21

many people lose their friendship groups

21:24

when they stop drinking so that's

21:26

great definitely worth a gratitude message

21:28

to those friends oh definitely yeah

21:30

and they do know it yeah

21:32

i mean there are the one

21:34

or two that have always just

21:36

said i'll surely you can have

21:39

one i probably don't get invited

21:41

as many places with that particular

21:43

group but That's okay because

21:45

I know I can't just

21:47

have that one. And

21:49

that was a conscious decision for me when

21:51

I got to 12 months. It

21:53

was a conscious decision that I

21:55

made. It's just a non -negotiable with

21:58

me. There's so many things here, like

22:00

so many gems here that I'm

22:02

sort of like reeling about which way

22:04

to take the conversation. But two

22:06

things you mentioned, Ash's, that's my husband

22:08

Ash, his what's easy method technique,

22:10

I guess we'll call it. for

22:13

people that are early on in sobriety it's

22:15

a really powerful one and it's not to

22:17

say that quitting drinking is easy because it's

22:19

not because we know that it's hard but

22:21

having that attitude of it's easy. Not getting

22:23

so caught down in the the heavy energy

22:26

of it just being like no it's going

22:28

to be easy this is going to be

22:30

a bit of a challenge tonight I got

22:32

this and not getting yourself all worked up

22:34

about it and it's such a great technique

22:36

and I love it and so many people.

22:38

have taken that and run with it and

22:41

have used that to bolster them through the

22:43

early sobriety, which is what we need, you

22:45

know, especially the early days. Very

22:47

different to the later days, right?

22:50

When we have to start dealing with

22:52

the more emotional stuff that comes

22:54

along 100%. So just quickly, Lindy, just

22:56

in those first few months, if

22:58

you can remember doing things like a

23:00

social occasion, obviously you guys are

23:02

super social. How did you navigate that?

23:06

Never actually made a very big thing

23:08

of it. I didn't actually go

23:10

out and say to everyone right I'm

23:13

giving up drinking. I

23:15

think I told my husband probably

23:17

two weeks after when I

23:19

just had had enough time to

23:21

get myself into the swing

23:23

of it and then my three

23:25

daughters they were all very

23:27

aware and I just always felt

23:29

that that little group had

23:32

my back the very first weekend

23:34

So I gave up on the Saturday.

23:36

The very next Saturday was my

23:38

daughter's girlfriend's engagement party. We went to

23:41

that. Now that was a really

23:43

big social event and I was so

23:45

unprepared. Like I hadn't done the

23:47

work with you yet, so I didn't

23:49

take my own drinks. I wasn't

23:51

prepared in my head, but I just

23:53

kept myself busy. I just walked

23:55

around, but the biggest catch was I

23:57

had this glass of water. Everyone's

23:59

going, Lindy, what are you doing drinking

24:01

water? I think I might have,

24:03

I was the designated driver that night

24:06

or that was the laugh of

24:08

the party that one and then I

24:10

just kept busy and I think

24:12

it was still that novelty I navigated

24:14

that night really well and it

24:16

didn't worry me I remember waking up

24:18

the next morning just feeling grateful

24:20

just really grateful that I didn't have

24:22

that yucky feeling in my tummy

24:24

I went for a walk on the

24:26

beach didn't worry me that everyone

24:29

else was hungover I felt pretty good

24:31

actually And then from then I

24:33

realized it was just podcasting and listening

24:35

to the people that you'd had

24:37

on the podcast. And that's when I

24:39

realized, right, I need to get

24:41

in contact with this girl and say,

24:43

okay, here I am. I need

24:45

some tools. And it was

24:47

just basically through that, that's how I

24:49

worked through. It's amazing, isn't it?

24:51

And there's so many different ways of

24:53

navigating the early sobriety. One thing

24:55

too, I just want to say to

24:57

people, if you're in early sobriety

24:59

and you've got an event coming up

25:01

or you've got something coming up, like

25:04

say you got through the night, say you left

25:06

early or you took your own drinks or you, however

25:08

the fuck you got through it, even if you white knuckled

25:11

it and you got through to the other side, you got

25:13

yourself home, you got in a bed. And

25:15

when you wake up the next day, reward yourself.

25:17

That's a beautiful thing to wake up and have

25:19

some gratitude and then take yourself out for a

25:21

walk on the beach. I mean, it's just so

25:23

wholesome. clean and pure.

25:25

It just sounds, to me,

25:27

that's just like the biggest reward you can give yourself

25:29

and just patting yourself on the back. And

25:31

I think those moments of rewarding yourself in

25:33

early sobriety are super important. Oh, and all

25:36

the way through. You know, funny, Lindy, even

25:38

and Ash and I both are the

25:40

same. Seven and a half years down

25:42

the track, we still make note of, wow, geez,

25:44

you've got to imagine, or more like we would

25:46

have say, would say something like, imagine if we

25:48

were drinking. last night, you know, we would have

25:50

had a fight, you know, blah, blah, and

25:53

get up and go for a walk

25:55

or have a nice break together, feeling really

25:57

good. And that's sort of a bit

25:59

like the reward. So it's really good to

26:01

just keep on having that recognition. I

26:03

think it's really important part of it. So

26:05

it was great to work together, obviously

26:07

throughout our time together, we've done some compassion

26:09

inquiry, we've done all sorts of things,

26:11

even just tools and tricks. And I mean,

26:14

it looks different for everyone, depending on

26:16

what people come to with me with. what

26:18

they need to work on. But one

26:20

thing for you is you also leaned into

26:22

everything we talked about you do, which

26:24

was amazing. And you really stuck with daily

26:26

practices and journaling and just having self

26:28

awareness. So you'd notice things which was incredible.

26:31

And then adopting other stuff later, which we'll get

26:33

into as well as you sort of progressed on

26:35

your journey doing the breath work with Sam Brown,

26:37

going on retreat with her, like so really kind

26:40

of really leading into new stuff. But one thing

26:42

that really sticks out to me and one of

26:44

the reasons I wanted you on the podcast today

26:46

was a big time that you went through, which

26:48

I feel like is going to be a big

26:50

moment for a lot of people listening, was

26:52

when you had those, and I have

26:54

talked about this before on the podcast,

26:56

never mentioned your name or went into

26:59

great specifics on it, but you had

27:01

these hens nights back to back. You

27:03

were successful in getting through them, but

27:05

there was a huge moment of grief.

27:07

And I remember you coming to me

27:09

to do our session. And

27:11

this happy bubbly Lindy who I

27:13

was always faced with was not the

27:15

person I was seeing on the

27:18

Zoom. I was seeing someone very distraught,

27:20

really upset, crying, grieving. And

27:22

it was like a big heart opener

27:24

for me too to see you sort of...

27:26

And for me, I see that I

27:28

think, oh cool, this is cool. We're breaking

27:31

down some walls here and doing some

27:33

deep healing here. Can we talk a bit

27:35

about that Lindy? So that was... amazing

27:37

actually because that was nine months after I'd

27:39

given up drinking so I had done

27:41

a lot of work. I thought I was

27:43

okay you know like if I went

27:46

places I was always prepared and that day

27:48

the first Hens Party it was a

27:50

really big Hens Party and I was really

27:52

quite privileged to have been invited actually

27:54

to be honest with you but it was

27:56

a big Hens Party. There were lots

27:58

of young kids, there were lots of older

28:01

ladies like me. And I got

28:03

up. I did my breath work. I

28:05

went for a walk. I did

28:07

everything that day. I was so prepared.

28:10

I'm not one to lay my outfits out

28:12

and get myself sorted, but the girls even

28:14

came and said, you're right, mum. And

28:16

you know, I was feeling really

28:18

good and off I went and I

28:20

was fine. I muddled my way

28:22

through it and it was a lovely

28:24

afternoon sort of evening. I tapped

28:26

out, obviously, before they went out to

28:28

the nightclub, as did other women

28:30

my age, but a lot of the

28:32

women did go. And

28:34

I came home and, you know,

28:37

that feeling, I was proud and I thought, I'm

28:39

going to feel so much better in the

28:41

morning. And it was gorgeous. A couple of the

28:43

ladies, my aunt, had really written themselves off.

28:45

And I was thinking to myself, you know, that

28:47

so would have been you. And you so

28:49

would have said something and can't remember it the

28:51

next day. It wouldn't have been bad, but

28:54

you'd just like to know what you'd said to

28:56

people. And I can remember

28:58

I just woke up the next morning

29:00

and I was just really sad. And

29:02

I had no idea why I was sad. And

29:05

then when the sadness was for

29:07

the next day and the next day,

29:09

I thought, oh, this is not

29:11

great. So I just started to journal.

29:14

And yeah, that was where it

29:16

all, I just was brokenhearted. I

29:18

just had lost my best friend,

29:20

and that was me. And

29:23

I went back through that party that

29:25

night and I thought, I

29:27

really grieve too. I still do

29:29

in a little sense. But

29:31

you know, it was just the fact

29:33

that just the ease of the old

29:35

Lindy, just to be able to walk

29:37

over to that group and say hi

29:39

and make the people that didn't feel

29:42

comfortable, feel comfortable and just work the

29:44

room. I mean, it was something my

29:46

mum taught us. Never leave someone sitting

29:48

in the corner that looks lonely or

29:50

doesn't know anyone. And you

29:52

know, I was that girl. I

29:54

was that, I just didn't feel that

29:56

I fit. It just, and

29:58

my best friend had just sort of up and

30:00

left me and we didn't need to say

30:02

goodbye. Like

30:04

she just wasn't there. And

30:06

I thought, where are you? Can you

30:09

come back? Yeah. And so your best friend

30:11

being the old you was me. Yeah.

30:13

And so of course I just realized, and

30:15

then that was when I did a

30:17

mercy dash to you. rang up

30:19

and said, oh, you just made an

30:21

appointment to talk with you. And that

30:23

was when you explained to me that

30:25

that's quite a normal thing. But it

30:27

just knocked me off my feet because

30:29

I thought I was nine months down

30:31

the path. I was strong. I didn't

30:33

feel like a drink. But

30:36

yeah, I had just lost me. I'd

30:38

lost my best friend. And it just, it

30:40

was a real grieving process there for

30:42

a little while. Sounds a

30:44

bit silly, but it was, yeah. She

30:46

was gone and I think I

30:48

realised I was fair to him about

30:50

this journey that I was on. And

30:53

by being fair to him about

30:55

that journey I had to say goodbye

30:57

to this person that had been

30:59

a part of my life for 60

31:01

years. 100 % and it's hard you

31:03

know and just like grief it

31:05

has to be felt we have to

31:07

go through all the parts of

31:09

it and acceptance is a big part

31:11

and I can relate mine wasn't

31:13

as intensive as yours and mine probably

31:16

happened over time but of having

31:18

to let go and face and it

31:20

was oftentimes as well after catching

31:22

up with my old group of friends

31:24

who all still drink and feeling

31:26

a bit of like being the outsider.

31:28

And that's one of my worst

31:30

fears. And just having to let

31:32

go of the old Danny, like, okay,

31:34

and accept the new. And that's part

31:36

of it, isn't it, Lindy? It's like

31:38

honoring as well that old part of

31:40

ourselves and sending that old part of

31:42

ourselves love. But actually, I don't

31:44

want to continue in that way anymore.

31:46

And to let in the new, we have

31:48

to let go of the old. Yeah,

31:50

I just didn't think it would be I

31:53

likened it to having a best friend.

31:55

was just always there, could always rely on

31:57

and then all of a sudden I

31:59

knew I had to say goodbye. Now

32:02

it was dramatic as that sounds. When

32:04

I said goodbye and when I talked to

32:06

you and I was able to say that

32:08

that was a feeling, I

32:10

mean the growth started again. But

32:13

yes, as I said, I was a bit pulled

32:15

up there for, I thought I was okay for nine

32:17

months. I thought, this is, you know, it's not

32:19

easy. I'm okay. But

32:21

Yeah, that was a little bit of a brick

32:23

wall for a couple of days, for a couple of

32:26

weeks, but then, and I did,

32:28

I said, I did say goodbye

32:30

to the old Lindy and thank her

32:32

because you taught me that. I

32:34

had to thank her for what she

32:36

had done and where she had

32:38

taken me, but she wasn't going to

32:40

be there with me at the

32:42

next party. Yeah. Absolutely. Oh

32:44

God gives me goosebumps. It's so beautiful.

32:46

It's such a beautiful part of

32:48

the process. And unfortunately, Lindy, for a

32:50

lot of people, that is where

32:52

they become unstuck because we get so

32:54

afraid of change and so afraid

32:56

of the new version of ourselves because

32:58

it's unknown. And of course,

33:00

so many of us, that's hard, you

33:02

know, there's so much fear there with the

33:04

unknown. So that is often the time

33:06

when people go, fuck it, I'll just have

33:09

one. I'll just go and have

33:11

one. And I'm so proud of you

33:13

that you didn't. And also that you

33:15

were able to really feel into that

33:17

and work through it. And for people

33:19

listening, I would say, don't

33:21

be afraid of working through the

33:23

grief too. It can be an actual

33:25

really beautiful process. Like hard, yes,

33:27

just like any grief. To

33:29

me, grief is beautiful. It's fucking hard.

33:31

It's hard jakka, but it's so

33:33

potent, isn't it? It's like swear and

33:35

love you. I love how you

33:37

said as well. That's when the growth

33:39

happened. It's like we have to

33:41

go through almost like this little breakdown

33:43

and then here we go. We

33:45

start to open up a little bit

33:47

more and that's so exciting. Yes,

33:50

I was and I think that

33:52

was the thing and I probably just

33:54

needed someone like you just to

33:56

give me permission because I didn't didn't

33:58

have that in the little circle

34:00

of friends that I could talk to

34:03

and that's probably my fault. But

34:05

I just, when I

34:07

spoke to you and it was almost

34:09

like it was okay, you gave me

34:11

permission through our conversation that it's okay

34:13

to feel that hurt. I think I

34:15

was embarrassed. I think, you know, you

34:17

make a mountain out of a molehill,

34:19

like people lose a parent or a

34:22

child. You can't, quite

34:24

grief, but it was

34:26

a sort of grief.

34:29

And once I knew it was okay to

34:31

face it, to nail

34:33

it, and move on, then

34:35

it was almost like, yeah, a

34:37

weight was lifted off my shoulders, then

34:39

the next steps came, and then the next

34:41

steps came, and then it

34:44

just got easier. Oh my god, I love

34:46

it. And so for people listening, you'll

34:48

be able to identify in yourself, is this

34:50

me? Am I afraid to let go? What

34:53

am I so afraid of about letting go? Am

34:55

I afraid of the unknown? Is it

34:57

just so familiar? And one

34:59

of the biggest things about change... The reason

35:01

why so many of us are resistant to change,

35:03

like I say, is that it's kept us

35:05

safe for so long. Like I say, it

35:07

helped you work the room, it helped you

35:09

help other people feel comfortable. And I know you're

35:11

such a server, like I know you've just

35:13

you've got such a big heart and you

35:15

want to put people at ease and make everyone

35:18

feel comfortable. So for you, that's

35:20

be part of your values as well. So

35:22

even knowing that we can still do that

35:24

it's just in a different way maybe but

35:26

you do it we did it with such

35:28

ease before so for people listening yes just

35:30

questioning and feeling into what does it feel

35:32

like for me to let go what am

35:34

i afraid of about letting go what am

35:36

i afraid about of bringing in the new

35:38

but what would it look like on the

35:40

other side if i did so you could

35:42

spend some time in your journal guys Just

35:45

writing these things down like just

35:47

being really self -aware and okay What

35:49

might it be like if I let

35:51

go and let in the new

35:53

what possibilities could be there for me

35:55

and like you say Lindy there's

35:57

this possibility of beautiful growth and better

35:59

understanding and this is part of

36:01

also becoming your own Sam always about

36:03

becoming your own best friend and

36:05

I became my true best friend when

36:07

I stopped drinking I want to

36:09

start to do the work on myself

36:11

to contact myself every day and

36:13

see how we doing today. Danny,

36:16

you know, what do we need when I was

36:18

pouring the alcohol down to just make me feel

36:20

comfortable. It was a bit of

36:22

a protective thing, but it wasn't in my

36:24

best interest. It was like a toxic best

36:26

friend. Yes. Yes. Definitely. So

36:28

also part of this process as well

36:30

for people listening, it's like at the

36:32

end of my challenge, I get everyone

36:34

to write a goodbye letter to alcohol.

36:37

But what you've just actually made me

36:39

realise, Lindy, too, we could even incorporate

36:41

that to writing a letter saying goodbye

36:43

to our old selves. So either or.

36:46

But for people listening, you could do that. You

36:48

know, you could write down a goodbye letter

36:50

to alcohol or a goodbye letter to that part

36:52

of yourself, sending it love. Thank

36:54

you for the time together. But now

36:56

it's time for me to discover something

36:58

new. And that can be a really beautiful,

37:00

cathartic thing to do, just to write

37:02

a goodbye letter. Yeah, it can be really...

37:04

helpful part of the process and a

37:07

good way to kind of, I don't know,

37:09

just full stop and to help you

37:11

move on. So thank you so much, Lindy,

37:13

because I just feel like this is

37:15

such an important thing to talk about and

37:17

to go through the grief. And it

37:19

doesn't happen so quickly either. Like sometimes we

37:21

can get stuck there for a little

37:23

while and it can feel like a bit

37:25

of the, in polyvagal theory, we call

37:27

it the dorsal shutdown where we just start

37:29

to go numb. We start to kind

37:31

of go into our little hidey hole. for

37:34

a little bit, things start to shut down and

37:36

we can stay there for weeks sometimes and that's

37:38

okay too. Part of the process, right?

37:40

Yeah. How long do you think you stayed there

37:42

for? Oh, look,

37:44

the first couple of weeks was

37:46

pretty difficult until I spoke to you.

37:48

Then we had some tools and

37:50

I worked through it and I sat

37:52

with it, faced it and I

37:54

think I moved on. I

37:57

mean, it's still sometimes when I talk about

37:59

it with I still look back and think,

38:01

wow, yeah, that was a big thing. that

38:03

I didn't really think was such a big

38:05

thing at the time. But it

38:07

was. So I think I was back on my feet

38:09

and up and running again in a couple of weeks.

38:11

Yeah. Yeah. Tell me a bit about the

38:13

growth between now and then. Oh,

38:16

so I did that nervous system

38:18

course with you and Ash. Oh,

38:20

that was beautiful. Yes. That was

38:22

beautiful. And I didn't want

38:24

to go there, but I don't

38:26

know anyone. And anyway, as it

38:28

turns up, I took my daughter

38:30

and just things like that. I

38:33

find now I'm calmer. I

38:35

do the things that the big

38:37

things for me with you

38:39

have been to just sit with

38:41

myself. Okay, what do I need? Whereas

38:44

I would probably go off like

38:47

a scud missile and say something like,

38:49

oh, why did you put that

38:51

there? I just feel like my family

38:53

has indirectly said to me at

38:55

times and probably not even realized that

38:57

they've said it. I

38:59

can't get over how calm you are. But

39:02

I don't know that I'm actually calmer. I

39:04

just think I was so highly strung, I

39:06

didn't realise. You know,

39:08

I think I was just running

39:10

around like everything annoyed me. Everyone annoyed

39:12

me if they didn't do it

39:14

the right way. But it's just now,

39:16

and you've taught me to sit

39:18

with me. I still reflect back

39:20

with Ash, let's make this easy if

39:22

there's, and I use that a lot of

39:25

places. I will look at

39:27

that like, here's the situation, I'm not really

39:29

confident or happy here, but let's make

39:31

it easy. Let's work this out. And

39:33

I'm quite happy to

39:35

sit now and say, okay,

39:38

what do I need? And

39:41

self -forgiveness, that was a big

39:43

one. I had to really

39:45

work with you to forgive myself.

39:48

And I didn't really think there was

39:50

all that much there to forgive,

39:52

but I was my own worst critic.

39:54

I would bash myself up terribly

39:56

over, like not remembering something or You

39:58

know, big night out on the

40:00

Grog where I've come home and gone

40:02

to bed and everyone else is,

40:05

you know, stay up or something like

40:07

that. But always just forgive yourself.

40:09

That was a big one. And just

40:11

take time. Yeah. And I

40:13

just want to also go back to

40:15

that workshop that you came to in

40:17

Brizzy. When you bought your daughter

40:19

and when she spoke about the

40:21

changes in you. Oh my god. I

40:23

could just like tears in my

40:25

eyes. She was so proud of you

40:27

and she said you're such an

40:29

inspiration to her as well just to

40:31

see how someone can change. And

40:34

that's so fucking awesome. Yeah,

40:36

it was pretty cool, wasn't it? I

40:38

was pretty tough myself. Yeah,

40:41

absolutely. And the great thing about you,

40:43

Lindy, and then I'll say it again, is just

40:45

that like applying the work. So it's not like

40:47

we just talked and then you left it at

40:49

that and then went back to just being old

40:51

Lindy, like you actually did put things into place

40:53

as much as you could. And of course we

40:55

slip up and we back and forth a little

40:57

bit, not slip up with the alcohol, but you

40:59

know, emotional stuff. But you've really

41:01

had that self -awareness. I've said that at

41:03

the start, but also just going, yeah,

41:05

I'm going to take this to my journal.

41:07

I'm going to do some breath work

41:09

here and really use those tools to your

41:11

advantage, which is kind of what we

41:13

need to do, right? Because if nothing changes,

41:15

nothing changes. And I love,

41:17

you know, like you just went on retreat

41:19

with Sam Brown. I'm so proud of you

41:21

to put yourself out like that and to

41:24

go to be with a group of people

41:26

you don't know and go through those processes

41:28

with Sam. I know you've done her. courses

41:30

before as well. And she's just

41:32

such a great teacher. She's such a beautiful human.

41:34

I love her so much. And

41:36

that's just part of this growth, isn't it?

41:38

Like, just try new things and going, yep,

41:40

saying yes to things. It's

41:42

just incredible, Lindy. Like, it's honestly,

41:44

it's incredible. I just want

41:46

to ask you as well, one other

41:48

thing that we spoke about during our

41:50

time together was you going to

41:53

Europe. Now, I want to bring this

41:55

up to you because this is another struggle thing.

41:57

We could almost do a different podcast on this,

41:59

but it's a big one for people like, fuck,

42:01

I'm going to Europe. How am I not going

42:03

to drink? Oh, yes,

42:05

especially me. Right.

42:08

Tell me a little bit about that

42:10

for people that are worried about going

42:12

to Europe. Can you do Europe sober? My

42:15

husband had just retired, so that was

42:18

our big treat to each other for

42:20

finishing work. Paul had

42:22

always wanted to go and do like a

42:24

longer trip. I'm not one. I don't like

42:26

being away from the family for too long.

42:28

But anyway, we went for nine weeks and

42:30

I thought, oh gee, this is going to

42:32

be a challenge. And I

42:34

remember having several conversations with you

42:36

before I left. So I had

42:38

myself like snow for pair. I

42:41

get to the airport and I

42:43

nearly came unstuck there because he's

42:45

everyone walking around with champagnes before

42:47

they helped on the plane, reading

42:49

the paper, me. first thing

42:51

I would have done, up to the bar, got

42:53

a champagne, sat there, loved

42:55

every minute of it. I thought, oh no,

42:57

this can't be good. And then on

42:59

the plane, you know, everyone's having a nice

43:01

drink. And then I thought to myself when

43:03

I got off, how am I going to do this? Ripped

43:06

out the journal, thought, right, go through

43:08

these points that Danny's talked to you about.

43:10

We went through it all again. Every

43:13

day I would do either a

43:15

meditation, a journal or a breathwork.

43:17

And if I got a little

43:19

bit edgy, which was a

43:21

couple of times, I'll be honest, I would just

43:23

sit there in this beautiful pasture in Italy. Gosh,

43:26

why can't I be normal? Why

43:28

can't I just have that one glass

43:30

of wine that never crossed my mind? And

43:33

I did say to my husband before

43:35

we left, even if I say to you,

43:38

one glass of wine's not gonna hurt, don't let

43:40

me do that. I knew I wouldn't say

43:42

that, but if I did, don't let me do

43:44

it. And he said, no, no, no. But

43:46

so I would go back, I mean, if

43:48

I was a bit antsy, which sometimes I

43:50

did, I'm not going to lie there, I

43:52

would go back and I would go to

43:54

a podcast and I would hear your voice

43:56

or I would pick someone that I'd urge

43:58

you to talk to and I would get

44:01

some strength from that and I'd do a

44:03

breath course and then I'd be packed, bowed

44:05

together. But I knew that there was going

44:07

to be times that I would have to

44:09

draw on those resources that I didn't have

44:11

that first time when I gave up drinking

44:13

nine months ago for that nine month period.

44:16

So I had to see, I was

44:18

still using my big journal and

44:20

how I could alcohol. So I had

44:22

to get like that everywhere overseas.

44:24

It was really excess baggage, but

44:26

I never missed a day. And

44:29

I did my great gratitudes. I

44:31

did my musts, my IAMs. And

44:33

I mean, I still do those every

44:35

day of my life now. That

44:38

diary, just that 12 month diary just came

44:40

with me and will stay with me forever.

44:42

But it was those resources that I

44:44

had. that gave me the confidence

44:47

I can do this. And

44:49

I probably had the best holiday of

44:51

my whole life because, you know,

44:53

I could remember it. I

44:55

could remember where I went, what I

44:57

did. I could remember the names of

44:59

places, people, restaurants. You

45:02

could have said to me any other time. What

45:04

Italian restaurant did you go to? I said, I

45:06

can't remember. I love it.

45:09

Do you feel that you

45:11

missed anything? No. If anything,

45:13

if anything. And

45:15

look, I can honestly tell you

45:17

that my husband could not believe

45:20

my directional skills had just picked

45:22

up so much. Like there was

45:24

no gray area. You know that

45:26

gray that your head's always in?

45:28

I was there every minute and

45:30

I knew where we were going.

45:33

And when I got home, I

45:35

just could not believe how much

45:37

I saw, how

45:39

much I felt. Like

45:42

it was almost one of

45:44

those real woo -woo moments because

45:46

I could I could touch and

45:48

feel that holiday Because it

45:50

was so clear so clear Whereas

45:52

every other time it is

45:54

just so gray. Oh God. I

45:56

was I was the luckiest

45:58

girl in the world I remember

46:00

getting up to the top

46:02

of a mountain one day and

46:04

I can remember just thinking

46:06

Danny car. I just love you

46:09

Because that's how I felt

46:11

I just, I had my life

46:13

from a different, different set

46:15

of eyes. It was beautiful. It

46:17

was really nice. I'm

46:20

in tears here because I'm beaming

46:22

firstly just about that holiday and

46:24

just how, just to hear like,

46:27

I got no idea. Like just to hear

46:29

that you feel a bit edgy and

46:31

you go and do the work and you

46:33

do the things and that you still

46:35

have a great time and you've just, I

46:37

can't explain. What I'm

46:40

feeling right now, but it's just like

46:42

extreme gratitude and joy and happiness and just

46:44

so stoked for you and right back

46:46

at you. Oh god. And you know, I

46:48

always worry sometimes got to be honest

46:50

when I've been working with people for a

46:52

while and they do go overseas. My

46:54

bum goes a bit tight thinking about them.

46:57

Please don't drink, don't drink, don't

46:59

drink. And you didn't. I'm

47:01

just so happy for you. I

47:03

just honestly and people listening if you're

47:05

worried about going on a trip

47:07

just. Take in exactly what Lindy said.

47:10

Just do some supportive practices. If

47:12

you feel edgy, get out of there.

47:14

Go do something else for a bit.

47:16

Come back. You will not regret it.

47:19

You will not miss anything. In fact,

47:21

you get so much more. Look, I

47:23

know because I've done fucking Europe half

47:25

blacked out most of the times that

47:27

I went and then to go and

47:29

be sober and just drink soda water

47:31

and have a gorgeous time. Enjoy

47:33

the food. more hours in the day. Oh,

47:36

God. So many more hours in

47:38

the day. It's so much better. Oh,

47:40

Lindy, you're just incredible. I'm just

47:42

so, so stoked for you just to

47:44

watch this whole. And I

47:46

feel very honored to have been a part

47:48

of it as well, just to watch this

47:50

growth. And I can't wait to just see

47:52

where you keep continuing to go as well

47:54

on this path as you continue. No, thank

47:56

you. It was funny.

47:58

It's just one of those things.

48:00

And that's probably the only thing

48:02

I would say is that When

48:05

I found like I listened to

48:07

other podcast, I'd done some reading,

48:09

I'd done some thinking. It's

48:11

just when you find that one thing

48:13

that you gel with and you can

48:15

work with and you have been so

48:17

generous with your time and working with

48:19

me and I know sometimes I must

48:21

be quite frustrating but you are always

48:23

so you can find me a different

48:25

way. If the way I'm going doesn't

48:28

work, you will find let's do it.

48:30

Like you you solve problems and that's

48:32

what i love i love that you

48:34

can solve. A problem

48:36

instead of just saying look i don't

48:38

know how to do that maybe try

48:40

something different you will help me solve

48:42

it will solve it together then we

48:44

move on yeah that's beautiful thank you

48:46

for saying that yeah it's well it's

48:48

just been an absolute pleasure working with

48:50

you absolutely i'm so stoked so thank

48:52

you and thank you for coming on

48:54

today i just know that this conversation

48:56

is going to help heaps of people

48:58

so. Oh, just one person would be

49:00

nice. And thank you for asking me.

49:03

I mean, I really appreciate it. Yeah,

49:05

Lindy. Thanks so much. If anyone's interested

49:07

in coaching or retreats or anything like

49:09

that, just reach out. And I'd love

49:11

obviously in this conversation, you can hear,

49:13

that's what I love to do is

49:15

to work with people and it's just

49:17

a real honor to work with people.

49:19

So please do reach out if you're

49:21

interested and or just listen to the

49:23

podcast, you know, keep on listening, keep

49:25

sharing, keep listening. Just do the

49:27

things that you hear about perhaps in the

49:29

podcast or reach out to other podcasts, whatever you

49:31

need to do. But just as long as

49:33

you're supporting yourself through this journey, it makes all

49:35

the difference. So well done. Lindy, well done.

49:38

And I'll see you soon, my friend. Thanks,

49:40

Danny. Take care. Bye. Bye,

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