Midweek Catch-Up: To Topless or Not: Sunbathing, Confidence & Cultural Norms After 60

Midweek Catch-Up: To Topless or Not: Sunbathing, Confidence & Cultural Norms After 60

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Midweek Catch-Up: To Topless or Not: Sunbathing, Confidence & Cultural Norms After 60

Midweek Catch-Up: To Topless or Not: Sunbathing, Confidence & Cultural Norms After 60

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catch-up with me Kay and her

1:47

Karen who has just said to

1:49

me go on tell everyone what

1:52

you just said go on do

1:54

I know I can't appear to

1:56

see it do I know what

1:58

the I don't

2:01

know whether your sigh was off. Do

2:03

you not read anything I said to?

2:05

I'm sorry keep, but I don't think

2:07

I got that you. Well, no, it's

2:10

all right, I'm used to it, but

2:12

the thing is, you are the inspiration

2:14

for this midweek cat shop. Oh, great

2:17

here. No, no, we'll do that another

2:19

day though. Sorry, dam, I thought it

2:21

was on it. No, no, no, no,

2:23

I'm really interested in that. No, it's

2:26

not frogs. It's topless sunbathing. I'm the

2:28

inspiration. You are the inspiration for that,

2:30

because. I don't think so. You are?

2:33

Because, I think it was, we were

2:35

speaking to Linda Lucardie, and at the

2:37

end we were having a chat, and

2:39

you were saying that you were so

2:42

fond of a bit of topless sunbathing.

2:44

Yes. See, I put it up on

2:46

my Instagram, but you're not on Instagram.

2:49

You see, I know. This is where

2:51

they... Can you help me with that?

2:53

Have you got any clout when it

2:56

comes to it? No, I've tried. Have

2:58

you? Yeah. Anyway, so you're going off

3:00

to Pulia, aren't you? Yeah, at some

3:02

point. Right. And you said that you

3:05

were so due topless sunbathing, but only

3:07

when you were with your sisters, not

3:09

if there was any male partners there.

3:12

That's right. Yes, have I summarised the

3:14

situation? Yeah, you've got to be safe.

3:16

Yeah. I just thought it was quite

3:18

interesting and I wondered how many other

3:21

people and I don't want to say

3:23

would you do it in your 60s

3:25

because I hate all of that yes

3:28

because it suggests yes exactly exactly you

3:30

know that your age is relevant I

3:32

did it anyway but you do it

3:34

when you do it when you go

3:37

right there other things it's not as

3:39

some people are pointed out it's not

3:41

as fashionable as at once was I

3:44

mean it used to be the thing

3:46

I don't think it's a fashionable thing

3:48

I think it's just a liberating I

3:51

think it's just to see on beaches

3:53

all the Right, if I can't really

3:55

know, you don't see it on beaches

3:57

as much as you used to, like,

4:00

in the 80s. Right, well you probably

4:02

see it more people lying on their

4:04

fronts with their backs open, if you

4:07

like. I know, but actual, yeah, booby-so,

4:09

back in the day, did you ever

4:11

walk about? from where I was lying

4:13

into the water and even at that

4:16

point I was a bit like a

4:18

pretend I'm scratching my eyes so my

4:20

arm would be over my chest. Oh

4:23

did you? Yes I was I did

4:25

like top the sunbathing but I had

4:27

to be horizontal I wouldn't actually rise

4:29

from the sunbed. I know you're saying

4:32

so I I The thing is, it's

4:34

nice being in the water without a

4:36

talk phone, isn't it? Yeah, well no,

4:39

I don't know. Do you know, I

4:41

think so? I'm not that big on

4:43

it. My dad was a real skinny

4:46

different. He loved getting these kids, my

4:48

dad. Oh my goodness, he looked... Oh

4:50

my goodness, he looked... One of the

4:52

memories that I have as a child,

4:55

we were in Tennery for Grand Canari

4:57

or somewhere like that. we wandered onto

4:59

a new to speech we had no

5:02

idea it was a new to speech.

5:04

Oh my god. And just something you

5:06

knew walked in the four of us

5:08

and then we just sort of eyes

5:11

go to one side and we're going

5:13

to hand thinking oh really only people

5:15

with any clothes on here and like

5:18

my mom and dad or something well

5:20

my mom was sort of looking around

5:22

my dad but dad you could see

5:24

him thinking way hey hey hey! He

5:27

dropped his trunks. No, scopid. He did.

5:29

In front of you, he did. In

5:31

front of the children. In front of

5:34

the children. And off he went into

5:36

the waves. Oh my God. On this

5:38

bare bottom, that's all you could see.

5:41

He loved it. He loved it. And

5:43

there after. I mean, we got, we

5:45

got used to it. Oh my God,

5:47

how funny. Yeah. Was it always his

5:50

bum that you saw. I mean you

5:52

wouldn't parade about, but you know in

5:54

later years we went on holiday, yeah

5:57

he loved skinnies. In fact they had

5:59

a house that's been funny. Which they

6:01

bought a million years ago that I

6:03

have inherited and my dad would go

6:06

skinny dipping every morning, eight o'clock in

6:08

the morning. Was it by the seaside

6:10

or was... did a pool? No in

6:13

the sea. In the sea. In the

6:15

sea. My God, could it fit him?

6:17

They absolutely loved it. But so no

6:19

I didn't, that was a bit of

6:22

a diversion, I apologize. I did put

6:24

this out on Instagram. Are you still

6:26

happy to go topless sunbathing? Six to

6:29

eight percent said yes. Yeah, good, that's

6:31

a healthy number, isn't it? you know,

6:33

used to but not so they're not

6:36

giving a clear cut figure. 60, 30,

6:38

32, 30, well darned, Carol Goldman. Yes,

6:40

yes, have a question please. Yes, well

6:42

Karen and he said I'm with Karen,

6:45

abroad but only in a holiday without

6:47

female, without male friends. Yes, yes. Second

6:49

spring life coaching says in the confines

6:52

of my garden because I hate a

6:54

strap mark. Mm-hmm. No I'm worth it.

6:56

But I'll keep them under wraps in

6:58

public. That's. Right. So that's if you're

7:01

walking to the beach, your arms are

7:03

strapped over your chest. Yes, your chest.

7:05

Why do you keep saying chest? No,

7:08

no, your chest. You just don't know.

7:10

Okay, or I'll stick with you. And

7:12

we have some of our How to

7:14

Be 60. Alumni. getting in touch. All

7:17

right, some of our previous guests, isn't

7:19

that nice? Oh really? We've got alumni.

7:21

Do remember lovely Liz Hilliard? She was

7:24

the American woman who had been married

7:26

to a bloke, for goodness goes, how

7:28

long, and of course she's super fit,

7:31

she runs a fitness studio in America.

7:33

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Anyway, she

7:35

is now in a relationship with her

7:37

female business partner eight and they're happy

7:40

as ladde. That's right. And she said,

7:42

yes, this summer in Saint-Trope at the

7:44

age of 70. Right, good for her.

7:47

And Melanie Cantor? Melanie? Melanie. Also, of

7:49

course. She said, definitely not. I left

7:51

that one behind in my 20s. Don't

7:53

even know if it was a good

7:56

idea back then. Is that right? And

7:58

it's like Mrs. O'Fighter is saying, you

8:00

very seldom see topless bathing this year.

8:03

It was a thing back in the

8:05

day, wouldn't be on my radar, that

8:07

ship has sailed, she says. So I

8:09

don't think it is as fashionable, so

8:12

you might not be fashionable if you

8:14

get them out. Yeah, and of course,

8:16

I'm so, such a kind of woman

8:19

of fashion, I'm a leader of fashion.

8:21

What do you love about it? The

8:23

liberation, they're just the feeling of just

8:26

not being strapped, because you know, pendulous

8:28

press. Oh, no, the per. No, you

8:30

didn't get to do it! No, it's

8:32

just that, you know, but normally it's

8:35

going to be really hot, isn't it,

8:37

whenever you're sunbeating? And it's just that

8:39

at least closely you've got on the

8:42

better, but I would never, I'd never,

8:44

I'd never, never. No, I've got no

8:46

incline of Gouda speech. No, so it's

8:48

just, just the old, just the old

8:51

top bibirama that you would like to.

8:53

No, no, no, I did. No. Would

8:55

you respond to the children? No, that

8:58

the children wouldn't really bother me that

9:00

much. I think I did it. Well,

9:02

funny enough, we're going to Japan. Oh

9:04

my God, that must be coming up

9:07

quite soon. We're looking at all the

9:09

things that we could do in Japan.

9:11

One of the things you can do

9:14

is go into an onsen, which is

9:16

a kind of beathing type situation. It

9:18

was apparently a very traditional Japanese thing

9:21

to do. But it is absolutely, culturally

9:23

correct to be naked. So you're not

9:25

allowed in with any clothes on and

9:27

it's totally mixed, you know, the whole

9:30

kit and caboodle. And you're up for

9:32

that? I don't know. Actually, I mean,

9:34

I'm not bothered about being naked in

9:37

front of strangers, but you can't pick

9:39

up germs, can you? No, actually, my

9:41

sister Ags is back from Japan. Yeah.

9:43

And she said, it's so clean. It's

9:46

just amazing. And she thoroughly enjoyed it.

9:48

I'm really looking forward to it. But

9:50

the sort of me. Ian and our

9:53

two girls sitting butt naked in a

9:55

big bath. There's something not right about

9:57

that. There isn't no. Yeah, that's just

9:59

weird. But then it is cultural. I

10:02

mean, that's the silly thing. I mean,

10:04

we've got, this is from Spiced Pear,

10:06

Dr. Wright, I have all these names.

10:09

And it was great. And who says,

10:11

my Italian granny topped the sunbathes in

10:13

her 80s. Wow. And I thought she

10:16

was fabulous for doing. Isn't that great?

10:18

So as I say, it's a cultural

10:20

thing. And then we've got another one

10:22

from, I think it's one of our

10:25

German. Of course, here in Germany, it's

10:27

all off on many of our beaches.

10:29

All off, yes, they're very young. Yeah,

10:32

they're non-textiles. You're saying non-textiles. Did one's

10:34

given us Sona in Austria, a skiing

10:36

holiday, a skiing holiday, and... So you

10:38

go in with the towel wrapped range

10:41

and then revealo. You know, I think

10:43

you take the towel off at the

10:45

door and you put it on the

10:48

wee hook and you go in stark.

10:50

quite odd because I remember there was

10:52

like so I was sitting there and

10:54

I think it was a friend with

10:57

me and there was two really middle-aged

10:59

blokes at that time I've been my

11:01

20s and leaving no they were right

11:04

that is the interesting right there was

11:06

a 12 year old girl there was

11:08

a wee boy and I remember thinking

11:11

this is a bit old but it

11:13

wasn't in any way sexual it just

11:15

really wasn't I mean it just felt

11:17

very functional you know I think that

11:20

is our head that that does that

11:22

and I think the reason I don't

11:24

do the top of the sunbathing now

11:27

is if I'm honest I probably did

11:29

it because it was fashionable rather than

11:31

because I actually enjoyed it or felt

11:33

comfortable. Oh really? Okay yeah because like

11:36

I say I wouldn't stand up you

11:38

know I mean so I mean if

11:40

you don't stand up then you're not

11:43

exactly comfortable I was doing it because

11:45

it felt like a fashionable thing to

11:47

do. Oh no I just really want

11:49

to do it because I don't want

11:52

to prey down the beach or along

11:54

And I'm not doing it because I

11:56

think it's fashionable. No, but as you

11:59

said, when you went down to the

12:01

water, you covered your chest. my chest

12:03

because that's because I'm so you're not

12:06

comfortable I'm not comfortable yeah but I'm

12:08

comfortable lying well so was I but

12:10

you said it was because it was

12:12

fashionable yeah well but it's not because

12:15

you were comfortable because if you were

12:17

comfortable you would have gone in order

12:19

to drink you would have played volleyball

12:22

you would have played volleyball you would

12:24

have played beach magic oh my god

12:26

you did see people who did see

12:28

people who did that though didn't you

12:31

back in the back in the day

12:33

bounding around like Charlie's Angels not Charlie's

12:35

Angels I've put the wrong program but

12:38

yeah but we know what you mean

12:40

and does it matter do you think

12:42

on the aesthetic because we've got quite

12:44

a few people here's another one which

12:47

is there is holistic which I almost

12:49

read as there is an alcoholic which

12:51

is entirely different but it's there's holistic

12:54

and and says depends on the bazookas

12:56

what whether they're really big or really

12:58

small or whether you've got good ones

13:01

You could have a dumbestick to me

13:03

or whatever. No, I don't think it

13:05

does matter. Did you think you had

13:07

good ones back in the day? I

13:10

probably thought they were okay until I

13:12

had the children and then they just

13:14

went down the way. They were just

13:17

that awful way. You know when you

13:19

stopped breastfeeding me? You think, oh my

13:21

God, they were dreadful. So I probably

13:23

wouldn't have thought... anything then. So yeah,

13:26

I would have been a, I would

13:28

have been very aware of my own

13:30

body. I probably wouldn't have noticed it

13:33

in anyone else, but just on my

13:35

own. Yeah, so, yeah, and then they

13:37

kind of grew back. Did they? Yeah,

13:39

they did actually. Even before each our

13:42

team, they sort of grew back. I

13:44

never really had any boobs to speak

13:46

off really. I always wanted a boob

13:49

job back in the day. You did,

13:51

God, you never, imagine. No, I seriously

13:53

thought about about it. Why. Why I

13:56

thought about it. because I had tiny

13:58

boobes and you know that was the

14:00

whole time of page three and all

14:02

these people and and I had tiny

14:05

wee boobes and I was embarrassed by

14:07

it really you're yeah definitely I was

14:09

going to say a shame but that's

14:12

not the right word, embarrassed. No I

14:14

absolutely will. Except I once went on

14:16

a beach and I saw this woman

14:18

and she would be in her 40s

14:21

which was a lot older than me

14:23

and she had clearly had a boob

14:25

job and it was the first time

14:28

I had ever seen a boob job

14:30

in the wild. And I sat and

14:32

looked at her on this beach for

14:34

ages and everything else was 42. and

14:37

the boobes were 22. And you know

14:39

that thing where they kind of flop

14:41

under your armpits a little bit. But

14:44

when it happened, they didn't with you.

14:46

No, they were just there. You know,

14:48

they were sitting up there like two

14:51

soup terines, you know what I mean?

14:53

Yes. And it's so that kind of

14:55

put me off. Well, I mean, most

14:57

people laugh about it. I mean, like

15:00

Carol says, mine would be under my

15:02

armpits. I know what she is saying.

15:04

double L L 69 said would be

15:07

my side ribs that wouldn't see the

15:09

sun flopping to the side, flopping to

15:11

the side. You don't have a lot

15:13

bigger than we are. Yeah, I know,

15:16

I know. You were called Titless when

15:18

they were in school? You were called

15:20

Titless, wouldn't you? It was hurtful. Yeah,

15:23

that would be. Did they develop later?

15:25

God, I think my prayer was probably

15:27

a 30A. I was probably the same.

15:29

Yeah, I don't know, well they obviously

15:32

grew. Maybe to put like your ears.

15:34

Yeah, they did grow. Maybe six, maybe

15:36

it was a late developer. I mean,

15:39

they were never big, but at least

15:41

they kind of went into a B

15:43

cup, even a C cup. But you

15:46

know, I don't know what it's like

15:48

for young girls today, but I'm thinking

15:50

about that you couldn't win as a

15:52

girl then, could you, because if you

15:55

had big boobs, I remember there was

15:57

one girl that I remember. who developed

15:59

really quite a lot very young and

16:02

that's even more cool then if you

16:04

get and oh my god that poor

16:06

girl just constant comments constant comments and

16:08

sport and running for buses. Yeah. And

16:11

then like someone like me who was

16:13

pretty flat, then you felt embarrassed. You

16:15

think, God, you really just can't win

16:18

that. You know, they're either an odd

16:20

shape or they're wrong shape or they're

16:22

too big or they're too small. But

16:24

that's just boys, isn't it? It's not

16:27

as if, I don't think girls, your

16:29

mates, said anything about it. It was

16:31

just stupid in my true little voice.

16:34

I know. Maybe you're right, actually. Maybe

16:36

we should be getting them out. I

16:38

mean, it's a bit like... I don't

16:41

have Japan's a right place to get

16:43

them out. Did you not think? I

16:45

don't think so. Why not? I'm not

16:47

sure. I always think that maybe their

16:50

culture is a bit more reserved than...

16:52

But they naked bays. They like it.

16:54

But in every beach? No, I'm not

16:57

going to go on the beach, am

16:59

I? I hardly going to walk around

17:01

bloody Tokyo to Tokyo topless, am I.

17:03

Well, I. Oh God, it's a terrible,

17:06

we'll become such old people. What, you

17:08

can't remember? No, because it's like the

17:10

things I used to do when I

17:13

was young and exciting. What did you

17:15

do, Kay, what can you remember? When

17:17

we actually used to go places and

17:19

do things. No, I was first to

17:22

use a student, I went selling donuts

17:24

on the beach in the south of

17:26

France. Oh God, really? Funny that Liz

17:29

Hilliard has changed is off to Santropay,

17:31

so me and me and a friend

17:33

went off and we thought this was

17:36

going to be a going to be

17:38

a great So we got there and

17:40

we got, we had like a, it

17:42

was like a wooden medicine box. It

17:45

was like one of those, it was

17:47

terrible, it was, I'll tell you, another

17:49

day, drinks and cool things and as

17:52

well, it's not bloody donuts. So we

17:54

thought we were, it was Benio bum,

17:56

Benio bum, that's what we went about

17:58

saying. So we got there and we

18:01

had like a, you know, like a

18:03

wooden medicine box. Yes. It was like

18:05

one of those strapped to our back.

18:08

Oh your back. No, like a backpack.

18:10

Oh, right, right, right. And then we

18:12

had a cool box as well. Right.

18:14

You probably had something else in there,

18:17

glassy, that was it. It was glassy,

18:19

veneuilum, glassy, venue, bum. And then they

18:21

gave us a bucket hat to put

18:24

on. And I mean, so you're sweating,

18:26

like goodness knows what, you've got this

18:28

big wooden box on your back, you've

18:31

got the cool box, you've got the

18:33

silly hat. And all these women on

18:35

the beaches of San Diego, you know,

18:37

they're wearing almost nothing but a G-string

18:40

and an ankle bracelet. And then you've

18:42

got me coming up and going, Spillubo,

18:44

glassy. And the look of disdain that

18:47

they came with was just incredible. Oh,

18:49

six weeks, it was terrible. Oh, six

18:51

weeks, it was terrible. It was terrible.

18:53

Oh, six weeks, it was terrible. Pound

18:56

a day. That was it. That wasn't

18:58

the tips, that was your money. That

19:00

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