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everyone it's time for a midweek
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catch-up with me Kay and her
1:47
Karen who has just said to
1:49
me go on tell everyone what
1:52
you just said go on do
1:54
I know I can't appear to
1:56
see it do I know what
1:58
the I don't
2:01
know whether your sigh was off. Do
2:03
you not read anything I said to?
2:05
I'm sorry keep, but I don't think
2:07
I got that you. Well, no, it's
2:10
all right, I'm used to it, but
2:12
the thing is, you are the inspiration
2:14
for this midweek cat shop. Oh, great
2:17
here. No, no, we'll do that another
2:19
day though. Sorry, dam, I thought it
2:21
was on it. No, no, no, no,
2:23
I'm really interested in that. No, it's
2:26
not frogs. It's topless sunbathing. I'm the
2:28
inspiration. You are the inspiration for that,
2:30
because. I don't think so. You are?
2:33
Because, I think it was, we were
2:35
speaking to Linda Lucardie, and at the
2:37
end we were having a chat, and
2:39
you were saying that you were so
2:42
fond of a bit of topless sunbathing.
2:44
Yes. See, I put it up on
2:46
my Instagram, but you're not on Instagram.
2:49
You see, I know. This is where
2:51
they... Can you help me with that?
2:53
Have you got any clout when it
2:56
comes to it? No, I've tried. Have
2:58
you? Yeah. Anyway, so you're going off
3:00
to Pulia, aren't you? Yeah, at some
3:02
point. Right. And you said that you
3:05
were so due topless sunbathing, but only
3:07
when you were with your sisters, not
3:09
if there was any male partners there.
3:12
That's right. Yes, have I summarised the
3:14
situation? Yeah, you've got to be safe.
3:16
Yeah. I just thought it was quite
3:18
interesting and I wondered how many other
3:21
people and I don't want to say
3:23
would you do it in your 60s
3:25
because I hate all of that yes
3:28
because it suggests yes exactly exactly you
3:30
know that your age is relevant I
3:32
did it anyway but you do it
3:34
when you do it when you go
3:37
right there other things it's not as
3:39
some people are pointed out it's not
3:41
as fashionable as at once was I
3:44
mean it used to be the thing
3:46
I don't think it's a fashionable thing
3:48
I think it's just a liberating I
3:51
think it's just to see on beaches
3:53
all the Right, if I can't really
3:55
know, you don't see it on beaches
3:57
as much as you used to, like,
4:00
in the 80s. Right, well you probably
4:02
see it more people lying on their
4:04
fronts with their backs open, if you
4:07
like. I know, but actual, yeah, booby-so,
4:09
back in the day, did you ever
4:11
walk about? from where I was lying
4:13
into the water and even at that
4:16
point I was a bit like a
4:18
pretend I'm scratching my eyes so my
4:20
arm would be over my chest. Oh
4:23
did you? Yes I was I did
4:25
like top the sunbathing but I had
4:27
to be horizontal I wouldn't actually rise
4:29
from the sunbed. I know you're saying
4:32
so I I The thing is, it's
4:34
nice being in the water without a
4:36
talk phone, isn't it? Yeah, well no,
4:39
I don't know. Do you know, I
4:41
think so? I'm not that big on
4:43
it. My dad was a real skinny
4:46
different. He loved getting these kids, my
4:48
dad. Oh my goodness, he looked... Oh
4:50
my goodness, he looked... One of the
4:52
memories that I have as a child,
4:55
we were in Tennery for Grand Canari
4:57
or somewhere like that. we wandered onto
4:59
a new to speech we had no
5:02
idea it was a new to speech.
5:04
Oh my god. And just something you
5:06
knew walked in the four of us
5:08
and then we just sort of eyes
5:11
go to one side and we're going
5:13
to hand thinking oh really only people
5:15
with any clothes on here and like
5:18
my mom and dad or something well
5:20
my mom was sort of looking around
5:22
my dad but dad you could see
5:24
him thinking way hey hey hey! He
5:27
dropped his trunks. No, scopid. He did.
5:29
In front of you, he did. In
5:31
front of the children. In front of
5:34
the children. And off he went into
5:36
the waves. Oh my God. On this
5:38
bare bottom, that's all you could see.
5:41
He loved it. He loved it. And
5:43
there after. I mean, we got, we
5:45
got used to it. Oh my God,
5:47
how funny. Yeah. Was it always his
5:50
bum that you saw. I mean you
5:52
wouldn't parade about, but you know in
5:54
later years we went on holiday, yeah
5:57
he loved skinnies. In fact they had
5:59
a house that's been funny. Which they
6:01
bought a million years ago that I
6:03
have inherited and my dad would go
6:06
skinny dipping every morning, eight o'clock in
6:08
the morning. Was it by the seaside
6:10
or was... did a pool? No in
6:13
the sea. In the sea. In the
6:15
sea. My God, could it fit him?
6:17
They absolutely loved it. But so no
6:19
I didn't, that was a bit of
6:22
a diversion, I apologize. I did put
6:24
this out on Instagram. Are you still
6:26
happy to go topless sunbathing? Six to
6:29
eight percent said yes. Yeah, good, that's
6:31
a healthy number, isn't it? you know,
6:33
used to but not so they're not
6:36
giving a clear cut figure. 60, 30,
6:38
32, 30, well darned, Carol Goldman. Yes,
6:40
yes, have a question please. Yes, well
6:42
Karen and he said I'm with Karen,
6:45
abroad but only in a holiday without
6:47
female, without male friends. Yes, yes. Second
6:49
spring life coaching says in the confines
6:52
of my garden because I hate a
6:54
strap mark. Mm-hmm. No I'm worth it.
6:56
But I'll keep them under wraps in
6:58
public. That's. Right. So that's if you're
7:01
walking to the beach, your arms are
7:03
strapped over your chest. Yes, your chest.
7:05
Why do you keep saying chest? No,
7:08
no, your chest. You just don't know.
7:10
Okay, or I'll stick with you. And
7:12
we have some of our How to
7:14
Be 60. Alumni. getting in touch. All
7:17
right, some of our previous guests, isn't
7:19
that nice? Oh really? We've got alumni.
7:21
Do remember lovely Liz Hilliard? She was
7:24
the American woman who had been married
7:26
to a bloke, for goodness goes, how
7:28
long, and of course she's super fit,
7:31
she runs a fitness studio in America.
7:33
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Anyway, she
7:35
is now in a relationship with her
7:37
female business partner eight and they're happy
7:40
as ladde. That's right. And she said,
7:42
yes, this summer in Saint-Trope at the
7:44
age of 70. Right, good for her.
7:47
And Melanie Cantor? Melanie? Melanie. Also, of
7:49
course. She said, definitely not. I left
7:51
that one behind in my 20s. Don't
7:53
even know if it was a good
7:56
idea back then. Is that right? And
7:58
it's like Mrs. O'Fighter is saying, you
8:00
very seldom see topless bathing this year.
8:03
It was a thing back in the
8:05
day, wouldn't be on my radar, that
8:07
ship has sailed, she says. So I
8:09
don't think it is as fashionable, so
8:12
you might not be fashionable if you
8:14
get them out. Yeah, and of course,
8:16
I'm so, such a kind of woman
8:19
of fashion, I'm a leader of fashion.
8:21
What do you love about it? The
8:23
liberation, they're just the feeling of just
8:26
not being strapped, because you know, pendulous
8:28
press. Oh, no, the per. No, you
8:30
didn't get to do it! No, it's
8:32
just that, you know, but normally it's
8:35
going to be really hot, isn't it,
8:37
whenever you're sunbeating? And it's just that
8:39
at least closely you've got on the
8:42
better, but I would never, I'd never,
8:44
I'd never, never. No, I've got no
8:46
incline of Gouda speech. No, so it's
8:48
just, just the old, just the old
8:51
top bibirama that you would like to.
8:53
No, no, no, I did. No. Would
8:55
you respond to the children? No, that
8:58
the children wouldn't really bother me that
9:00
much. I think I did it. Well,
9:02
funny enough, we're going to Japan. Oh
9:04
my God, that must be coming up
9:07
quite soon. We're looking at all the
9:09
things that we could do in Japan.
9:11
One of the things you can do
9:14
is go into an onsen, which is
9:16
a kind of beathing type situation. It
9:18
was apparently a very traditional Japanese thing
9:21
to do. But it is absolutely, culturally
9:23
correct to be naked. So you're not
9:25
allowed in with any clothes on and
9:27
it's totally mixed, you know, the whole
9:30
kit and caboodle. And you're up for
9:32
that? I don't know. Actually, I mean,
9:34
I'm not bothered about being naked in
9:37
front of strangers, but you can't pick
9:39
up germs, can you? No, actually, my
9:41
sister Ags is back from Japan. Yeah.
9:43
And she said, it's so clean. It's
9:46
just amazing. And she thoroughly enjoyed it.
9:48
I'm really looking forward to it. But
9:50
the sort of me. Ian and our
9:53
two girls sitting butt naked in a
9:55
big bath. There's something not right about
9:57
that. There isn't no. Yeah, that's just
9:59
weird. But then it is cultural. I
10:02
mean, that's the silly thing. I mean,
10:04
we've got, this is from Spiced Pear,
10:06
Dr. Wright, I have all these names.
10:09
And it was great. And who says,
10:11
my Italian granny topped the sunbathes in
10:13
her 80s. Wow. And I thought she
10:16
was fabulous for doing. Isn't that great?
10:18
So as I say, it's a cultural
10:20
thing. And then we've got another one
10:22
from, I think it's one of our
10:25
German. Of course, here in Germany, it's
10:27
all off on many of our beaches.
10:29
All off, yes, they're very young. Yeah,
10:32
they're non-textiles. You're saying non-textiles. Did one's
10:34
given us Sona in Austria, a skiing
10:36
holiday, a skiing holiday, and... So you
10:38
go in with the towel wrapped range
10:41
and then revealo. You know, I think
10:43
you take the towel off at the
10:45
door and you put it on the
10:48
wee hook and you go in stark.
10:50
quite odd because I remember there was
10:52
like so I was sitting there and
10:54
I think it was a friend with
10:57
me and there was two really middle-aged
10:59
blokes at that time I've been my
11:01
20s and leaving no they were right
11:04
that is the interesting right there was
11:06
a 12 year old girl there was
11:08
a wee boy and I remember thinking
11:11
this is a bit old but it
11:13
wasn't in any way sexual it just
11:15
really wasn't I mean it just felt
11:17
very functional you know I think that
11:20
is our head that that does that
11:22
and I think the reason I don't
11:24
do the top of the sunbathing now
11:27
is if I'm honest I probably did
11:29
it because it was fashionable rather than
11:31
because I actually enjoyed it or felt
11:33
comfortable. Oh really? Okay yeah because like
11:36
I say I wouldn't stand up you
11:38
know I mean so I mean if
11:40
you don't stand up then you're not
11:43
exactly comfortable I was doing it because
11:45
it felt like a fashionable thing to
11:47
do. Oh no I just really want
11:49
to do it because I don't want
11:52
to prey down the beach or along
11:54
And I'm not doing it because I
11:56
think it's fashionable. No, but as you
11:59
said, when you went down to the
12:01
water, you covered your chest. my chest
12:03
because that's because I'm so you're not
12:06
comfortable I'm not comfortable yeah but I'm
12:08
comfortable lying well so was I but
12:10
you said it was because it was
12:12
fashionable yeah well but it's not because
12:15
you were comfortable because if you were
12:17
comfortable you would have gone in order
12:19
to drink you would have played volleyball
12:22
you would have played volleyball you would
12:24
have played beach magic oh my god
12:26
you did see people who did see
12:28
people who did that though didn't you
12:31
back in the back in the day
12:33
bounding around like Charlie's Angels not Charlie's
12:35
Angels I've put the wrong program but
12:38
yeah but we know what you mean
12:40
and does it matter do you think
12:42
on the aesthetic because we've got quite
12:44
a few people here's another one which
12:47
is there is holistic which I almost
12:49
read as there is an alcoholic which
12:51
is entirely different but it's there's holistic
12:54
and and says depends on the bazookas
12:56
what whether they're really big or really
12:58
small or whether you've got good ones
13:01
You could have a dumbestick to me
13:03
or whatever. No, I don't think it
13:05
does matter. Did you think you had
13:07
good ones back in the day? I
13:10
probably thought they were okay until I
13:12
had the children and then they just
13:14
went down the way. They were just
13:17
that awful way. You know when you
13:19
stopped breastfeeding me? You think, oh my
13:21
God, they were dreadful. So I probably
13:23
wouldn't have thought... anything then. So yeah,
13:26
I would have been a, I would
13:28
have been very aware of my own
13:30
body. I probably wouldn't have noticed it
13:33
in anyone else, but just on my
13:35
own. Yeah, so, yeah, and then they
13:37
kind of grew back. Did they? Yeah,
13:39
they did actually. Even before each our
13:42
team, they sort of grew back. I
13:44
never really had any boobs to speak
13:46
off really. I always wanted a boob
13:49
job back in the day. You did,
13:51
God, you never, imagine. No, I seriously
13:53
thought about about it. Why. Why I
13:56
thought about it. because I had tiny
13:58
boobes and you know that was the
14:00
whole time of page three and all
14:02
these people and and I had tiny
14:05
wee boobes and I was embarrassed by
14:07
it really you're yeah definitely I was
14:09
going to say a shame but that's
14:12
not the right word, embarrassed. No I
14:14
absolutely will. Except I once went on
14:16
a beach and I saw this woman
14:18
and she would be in her 40s
14:21
which was a lot older than me
14:23
and she had clearly had a boob
14:25
job and it was the first time
14:28
I had ever seen a boob job
14:30
in the wild. And I sat and
14:32
looked at her on this beach for
14:34
ages and everything else was 42. and
14:37
the boobes were 22. And you know
14:39
that thing where they kind of flop
14:41
under your armpits a little bit. But
14:44
when it happened, they didn't with you.
14:46
No, they were just there. You know,
14:48
they were sitting up there like two
14:51
soup terines, you know what I mean?
14:53
Yes. And it's so that kind of
14:55
put me off. Well, I mean, most
14:57
people laugh about it. I mean, like
15:00
Carol says, mine would be under my
15:02
armpits. I know what she is saying.
15:04
double L L 69 said would be
15:07
my side ribs that wouldn't see the
15:09
sun flopping to the side, flopping to
15:11
the side. You don't have a lot
15:13
bigger than we are. Yeah, I know,
15:16
I know. You were called Titless when
15:18
they were in school? You were called
15:20
Titless, wouldn't you? It was hurtful. Yeah,
15:23
that would be. Did they develop later?
15:25
God, I think my prayer was probably
15:27
a 30A. I was probably the same.
15:29
Yeah, I don't know, well they obviously
15:32
grew. Maybe to put like your ears.
15:34
Yeah, they did grow. Maybe six, maybe
15:36
it was a late developer. I mean,
15:39
they were never big, but at least
15:41
they kind of went into a B
15:43
cup, even a C cup. But you
15:46
know, I don't know what it's like
15:48
for young girls today, but I'm thinking
15:50
about that you couldn't win as a
15:52
girl then, could you, because if you
15:55
had big boobs, I remember there was
15:57
one girl that I remember. who developed
15:59
really quite a lot very young and
16:02
that's even more cool then if you
16:04
get and oh my god that poor
16:06
girl just constant comments constant comments and
16:08
sport and running for buses. Yeah. And
16:11
then like someone like me who was
16:13
pretty flat, then you felt embarrassed. You
16:15
think, God, you really just can't win
16:18
that. You know, they're either an odd
16:20
shape or they're wrong shape or they're
16:22
too big or they're too small. But
16:24
that's just boys, isn't it? It's not
16:27
as if, I don't think girls, your
16:29
mates, said anything about it. It was
16:31
just stupid in my true little voice.
16:34
I know. Maybe you're right, actually. Maybe
16:36
we should be getting them out. I
16:38
mean, it's a bit like... I don't
16:41
have Japan's a right place to get
16:43
them out. Did you not think? I
16:45
don't think so. Why not? I'm not
16:47
sure. I always think that maybe their
16:50
culture is a bit more reserved than...
16:52
But they naked bays. They like it.
16:54
But in every beach? No, I'm not
16:57
going to go on the beach, am
16:59
I? I hardly going to walk around
17:01
bloody Tokyo to Tokyo topless, am I.
17:03
Well, I. Oh God, it's a terrible,
17:06
we'll become such old people. What, you
17:08
can't remember? No, because it's like the
17:10
things I used to do when I
17:13
was young and exciting. What did you
17:15
do, Kay, what can you remember? When
17:17
we actually used to go places and
17:19
do things. No, I was first to
17:22
use a student, I went selling donuts
17:24
on the beach in the south of
17:26
France. Oh God, really? Funny that Liz
17:29
Hilliard has changed is off to Santropay,
17:31
so me and me and a friend
17:33
went off and we thought this was
17:36
going to be a going to be
17:38
a great So we got there and
17:40
we got, we had like a, it
17:42
was like a wooden medicine box. It
17:45
was like one of those, it was
17:47
terrible, it was, I'll tell you, another
17:49
day, drinks and cool things and as
17:52
well, it's not bloody donuts. So we
17:54
thought we were, it was Benio bum,
17:56
Benio bum, that's what we went about
17:58
saying. So we got there and we
18:01
had like a, you know, like a
18:03
wooden medicine box. Yes. It was like
18:05
one of those strapped to our back.
18:08
Oh your back. No, like a backpack.
18:10
Oh, right, right, right. And then we
18:12
had a cool box as well. Right.
18:14
You probably had something else in there,
18:17
glassy, that was it. It was glassy,
18:19
veneuilum, glassy, venue, bum. And then they
18:21
gave us a bucket hat to put
18:24
on. And I mean, so you're sweating,
18:26
like goodness knows what, you've got this
18:28
big wooden box on your back, you've
18:31
got the cool box, you've got the
18:33
silly hat. And all these women on
18:35
the beaches of San Diego, you know,
18:37
they're wearing almost nothing but a G-string
18:40
and an ankle bracelet. And then you've
18:42
got me coming up and going, Spillubo,
18:44
glassy. And the look of disdain that
18:47
they came with was just incredible. Oh,
18:49
six weeks, it was terrible. Oh, six
18:51
weeks, it was terrible. It was terrible.
18:53
Oh, six weeks, it was terrible. Pound
18:56
a day. That was it. That wasn't
18:58
the tips, that was your money. That
19:00
was the money, that was the money
19:03
card. Yeah, donuts weren't popular in Santa
19:05
Fe. Funny that, eh? How did you
19:07
say to you? That was good. Anyways,
19:09
anyways, anyways, what time is it? We'd
19:12
better go. Yeah, oh well, I'll ask
19:14
you. Oh, not until... Is it me,
19:16
them to me? Right, okay, okay. Yes.
19:19
And you to Japan? Beginning? Beginning of
19:21
April. Very soon. Yes, yes, yes, yes.
19:23
And it will full. Mm-hmm. So you're
19:26
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