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So many podcasts have

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images of microphones and

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headphones, and the RSS feed per

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logo recently attacked, show

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them what you are really about.

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Don't use up that valuable real

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estate to remind people. Hey,

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you know this is a podcast

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right?

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Hey guys, Welcome to the

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How To Start A Podcast podcast.

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My name is Gilon.

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And I'm Alban and today

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we are talking about how to

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create your podcast artwork.

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Hopefully you haven't done this already. We told you not to if you've been following

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along, yeah,

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episode one, we said

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don't create your podcast

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artwork, because a lot changes

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between Episode One and Episode

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Seven where we are here. So we

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wanted to make sure that you

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wait until you locked in for

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sure. Your title, everything

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about your podcast, the style,

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the niche, the vibe, the

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aesthetic. And now that you've

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got it all, you're going to be

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able to knock it all out. Bring

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it all together with some

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beautiful podcast artwork.

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Why is podcast artwork

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important? So glad you asked. So

1:01

glad, basically your album

1:01

cover, right? This is your

1:04

moment you are putting yourself

1:04

out into the world. You're

1:07

putting your podcast out there

1:07

and you need really great

1:09

artwork, because it's kind of

1:09

like a book cover. Nobody ever

1:11

reads maybe someday we'll do. I

1:11

don't read books that have like

1:15

really drab looking book covers,

1:15

and I definitely don't really

1:17

listen albums.

1:18

So I gave a talk at

1:18

Podcast Movement. And somebody

1:21

at one point said like, Will

1:21

don't judge a book by its cover.

1:25

I was like, All right. So that

1:25

phrase came from like, the

1:29

1800s. And it was I think don't

1:29

judge a book by its binding. But

1:34

it was because all books were

1:34

bound the same way. And it was

1:39

first used when someone said

1:39

like, oh, I read this book

1:41

because that beautiful binding

1:41

even though it was like turned

1:44

out wildly inappropriate book.

1:44

I'm giving a little too much

1:46

info here. But knickers. Okay,

1:46

so the reason why you shouldn't

1:53

judge a book by its cover that

1:53

phrase, I agree with the

1:57

sentiment. But it came from a

1:57

time when book covers all look

2:01

the same. There are still things

2:01

you can learn from a book cover.

2:04

And you can also learn from

2:04

podcast artwork, you can tell

2:07

that something is professional,

2:07

you can tell that it's going to

2:11

sound good, just by seeing the

2:11

artwork, it indicates quality.

2:15

It's kind of like that

2:15

statement, you only get one shot

2:17

at a first impression. And your

2:17

podcast cover art is your first

2:20

impression. There's really no

2:20

way to like test out a podcast

2:24

without listening to it right.

2:24

And so a lot of times people

2:26

will just scroll through and

2:26

look at cover art. And that will

2:29

be a yes or no moment for them

2:29

like, Well, this looks like some

2:32

somebody just threw together.

2:32

Maybe they're not quite who I

2:34

want to be listening to, like

2:34

people are judging based off of

2:38

covers. Yeah,

2:39

I mean, it's the first

2:39

thing potential listeners are

2:42

going to see in Apple podcasts.

2:42

So they're going to be scrolling

2:46

through and they're trying to

2:46

find a new show in this

2:49

category, and they see your

2:49

podcast, you want to make sure

2:52

that it looks really good. And

2:52

it is going to signify how good

2:57

of quality is this podcast, I

2:57

put something out to the world

3:00

said hey, you know how many of

3:00

you actually pay attention to

3:03

the artwork. 62% of listeners

3:03

said, I actually judge podcast

3:08

based on the artwork, I'm much

3:08

more likely to click on stuff

3:11

that I like the artwork. That

3:11

makes total sense to me.

3:15

Yeah. And I think in the

3:15

time of, you know, shopping for

3:18

albums, you definitely kind of

3:18

would check out the vibe of the

3:21

cover of something to know if it

3:21

was an artist or even music that

3:25

you would be interested in. And

3:25

so podcast cover art is really

3:27

no different. So Apple, like in

3:27

most things leads the way in

3:32

what the requirements are for

3:32

the size, style and all of that

3:36

of podcast artwork. So what are

3:36

those specs

3:39

in podcasting, there is

3:39

the RSS spec. This is the open

3:42

standards. And then there's some

3:42

apple specific stuff. And Apple

3:47

16 years ago now started

3:47

allowing podcast to come into

3:51

iTunes. And they set a lot of

3:51

parameters and said, like, Hey,

3:54

here's how big artwork should

3:54

be. Here's what we want to be

3:57

like. And then everyone has

3:57

followed their lead. Apple,

4:00

still the largest Podcast

4:00

Directory with Apple podcasts.

4:03

But everybody else follows us.

4:03

So if you follow these Apple

4:08

guidelines, you're going to be

4:08

good and Spotify and Google

4:11

podcasts and Amazon music etc.

4:13

Yeah, so one of the

4:13

things that Apple requires are

4:16

dimensions right, your

4:16

dimensions need to be 3000 by

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3000 pixels. You can do smaller

4:19

or larger or mismatch that's not

4:24

going to work we need 3000 by

4:24

3000 perfect square of pixels

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for your artwork.

4:30

To be clear 2999 by 3000

4:30

is not a perfect square that

4:36

will not work. This is very

4:36

particular if you use the

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Buzzsprout Canva integration.

4:40

You won't have to stress this

4:43

because we will enforce all

4:43

these guidelines. But if you're

4:46

going to do this on your own, or

4:46

you're going to work with

4:48

somebody in Fiverr or somewhere

4:48

else, make sure 3000 by 3000 a

4:53

few other things. Resolution of

4:53

72 dots per inch. You want to

4:58

save your file as a JPEG or a

4:58

ping as PNG or JPG. And the last

5:05

thing is you want to end the RGB

5:05

color space. So red, blue and

5:08

green pixels are making up these

5:08

colors. Those are all pretty

5:12

standard. But that 3000 by 3000

5:12

is the one that really hangs up

5:16

a lot of podcasters. Because

5:16

they're slightly off, or they

5:19

think they want a different

5:19

shaped image. That's not going

5:23

to work. Is there anything else

5:23

you run into Jalon, when you're

5:26

working with people in support,

5:27

yeah, so file size.

5:27

Another thing, sometimes

5:30

people's actual artwork, file

5:30

size is too big, it needs to be

5:34

less than 300 KB, some people

5:34

have a 1.5 megabytes, it's too

5:39

big. And it's going to actually

5:39

hang up your listing and Apple

5:43

podcasts. And people's podcasts

5:43

get taken down because their

5:45

file size of their artwork is

5:45

too large, which is kind of

5:48

wild. And people are like what's

5:48

happening, I was listed what's

5:50

going on, we check out your file

5:50

size to see if that needs to be

5:53

smaller. Yeah, and

5:55

we've looked at this

5:55

quite a bit. And I don't think

5:57

there's a hard and fast

5:57

requirement around it. But in

6:02

years and years of answering

6:02

these emails, that one comes up.

6:05

So compress your images be nicer

6:05

to the internet, we don't need

6:09

to send tons of information

6:09

around the web that doesn't need

6:12

to be around, there's a nice

6:12

website called Tiny ping, tiny

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PNG. And once you've finalized

6:16

your artwork, upload it there,

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it will compress it. So your

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image looks exactly the same.

6:25

But it's going to easily fit

6:25

under that 300 kilobyte ratio.

6:29

Yeah. And if you don't

6:29

know the size, or the pixel

6:31

dimension, you can definitely

6:31

click your image and there

6:34

should be an option, you can right click on it, and there should be an option to get info.

6:35

And that'll tell you how big

6:38

your file size is, what the

6:38

dimensions of the image are, and

6:41

all that good stuff. So now that

6:41

you know kind of what the

6:44

dimensions are. And those

6:44

requirements were some other

6:46

design tips that we have.

6:47

Well, one thing to remember is you want to be designing for a variety of

6:49

sizes, it's easy when you're

6:52

designing a 3000 by 3000 pixels

6:52

to imagine it's going to be a

6:56

really large image. But the way

6:56

that Apple podcast displays it,

7:01

it might be on an Apple Watch,

7:01

it might be as a small icon in

7:06

Apple podcasts. So you want to

7:06

look at something that looks

7:09

good when it's really big. And

7:09

also when it's really small. I

7:13

think the smallest is like 27 by

7:13

27 pixels. So we're talking

7:17

really tiny. And so pick like a

7:17

really strong color and maybe

7:23

like not a ton, it can't be a

7:23

super busy image. Because you

7:27

want to make sure that it looks

7:27

good. Even when it's smaller,

7:30

you want your artwork to clearly

7:30

communicate the subject of your

7:33

podcast. So if your podcast is

7:33

about mental health, think about

7:37

what images represent mental

7:37

health, maybe type mental health

7:42

into Google Images, and just

7:42

look to get ideas. Oh, I'm

7:46

seeing images of a brain I'm

7:46

seeing images of calm, relaxing

7:51

environment. Those are the

7:51

things that you're going to want

7:54

to incorporate into your

7:55

artwork. And that makes

7:55

sense. Because again, you don't

7:58

get a second chance at a first

7:58

impression. And so just being

8:01

mindful to communicate, not over

8:01

communicate, but to communicate

8:04

enough what your podcast is

8:04

about using your artwork, it's

8:08

really important.

8:08

Next tip is limit the

8:08

number of words in your artwork.

8:12

You don't

8:12

want 12,000 words. Why?

8:15

But one is that this is

8:15

going to be a small image at

8:19

times people will do this.

8:19

They'll say, Hey, this is the

8:23

How To Start A Podcast. And then

8:23

they'll go well, it's a podcast,

8:26

they put the word podcast under

8:26

it. And then they say with Jalon

8:29

and Alban hosts, and co host.

8:29

And then they write by

8:34

Buzzsprout, a podcast

8:34

host@buzzsprout.com. And it's

8:37

like, Oh, my goodness. Now you

8:37

look at this, and this is the

8:39

most cluttered. Crazy, is just a

8:39

bunch of words. Limit yourself.

8:45

If you're finding you've got

8:45

more than six words, eight

8:48

words, maybe max, you need to be

8:48

thinking about what is the most

8:52

critical thing to come across.

8:52

In this artwork. Yeah,

8:56

that's really important.

8:56

I think you want something that

8:59

communicates clearly what the

8:59

podcast is about. But again,

9:01

you're not trying to over

9:01

communicate or stuff too much

9:04

information, like they're gonna

9:04

know who the hosts are, once

9:07

they click into it, you know, or

9:07

right underneath the artwork. So

9:10

you don't necessarily need to

9:10

use the real estate on your

9:12

cover art for all of that

9:12

information. There are other

9:14

places where they'll find some of those things out.

9:16

One of the things we've

9:16

run into on YouTube as well.

9:19

It's like your artwork or your

9:19

thumbnail, that's what catches

9:23

someone's eye. They aren't going

9:23

to be paying attention to that

9:27

once they are listening or

9:27

watching the video or listening

9:29

to the podcast. So do something

9:29

this eyecatching is giving the

9:33

very basics. And then you get to

9:33

tell them everything else. You

9:38

could tell them who you are and

9:38

your background and everything

9:40

that's interesting about the

9:40

podcast. That will come a little

9:43

bit later.

9:44

So what is maybe a cover

9:44

art? No, no, or don't do.

9:48

Alright, so let's talk a

9:48

lot about typography. There's

9:51

lots of nose here. So using the

9:51

actual, you know, font types,

9:54

and what are we going to put

9:54

here to fonts Max, like we're

9:59

not putting any Three, four

9:59

fonts, let's try to not crowd

10:03

the images with text like

10:03

actually give them some space to

10:06

breathe, let there be a little

10:06

bit of negative space between

10:11

elements. Make sure that this

10:11

text when we put on there is

10:15

actually readable at smaller

10:15

sizes. So put it in there, limit

10:18

the amount of words, but then

10:18

shrink this down and ask

10:21

somebody else to read it. So is

10:21

this pretty clear what it says?

10:25

And then avoid distracting

10:25

fonts. So there's a lot of fonts

10:29

that I think are just kind of

10:29

like playful and funny. If that

10:34

is matching the vibe of your

10:34

podcast, that's cool. But often

10:38

something like Papyrus, or Comic

10:38

Sans, I don't know this one

10:42

called like cowboy or something, I

10:44

think that you know, these off the top of your head is mind boggling. But go on.

10:48

This is what you do. And

10:48

you read like typography books,

10:51

like this is the stuff that

10:51

jumps out and just kind of

10:54

yells, hey, I designed this in

10:54

Microsoft Paint,

10:59

and Microsoft Paint.

11:01

So this is what I would

11:01

recommend avoiding, like, try to

11:05

find professional looking font

11:05

choices. And so limit yourself

11:11

to some that just look normal,

11:11

maybe or not distracting. And if

11:16

they have a personality, make

11:16

sure that personality matches

11:19

the personality of the brand.

11:20

Now, um, as we're talking

11:20

about distracting, what about

11:24

like explicit language? Imagery?

11:24

How do we feel about that?

11:29

I personally am not a

11:29

fan, I can tell you, Apple

11:32

appears to be on the same page

11:32

as me. So Apple has always been

11:35

like pretty family friendly. And

11:35

so explicit content in the title

11:40

or on the artwork isn't going to

11:40

fly. Now the exact borders of

11:46

where that is. I'm not 100% sure

11:46

exactly where it is, like you

11:50

can't have nudity. But I can't

11:50

give exact on like how close you

11:55

can get, you know, I'm not sure

11:55

exactly which, you know, dirty

11:58

words are allowed and which need

11:58

to be somewhat censored. But one

12:02

thing you can do is go and

12:02

search for things. If you're on

12:06

the cusp, and you're like, does

12:06

this word have to be edited? If

12:10

it's in the title, go search it

12:10

in Apple podcasts. And you can

12:13

actually see, I did have after a

12:13

talk at Podcast Movement about

12:17

artwork, had a woman come up and

12:17

say, Hey, I'm trying to

12:21

understand if you think this

12:21

artwork is good to work for a

12:24

plastic surgery company, and the

12:24

artwork that they had was I

12:29

think like a woman stomach. And

12:29

she's like, do you think this is

12:31

appropriate? And I said, I'm

12:31

confident that's going to be

12:34

okay. But you're coming and

12:34

asking me because you're afraid

12:38

it's a little too, like sexual

12:38

in nature. If you're concerned

12:42

about that, then probably the

12:42

people who are looking at it are

12:45

also going to think that's what

12:45

your podcast is about. And now

12:49

you're attracting the people you

12:49

don't want to listen. And you're

12:52

actually pushing away your

12:52

target market. So only

12:56

incorporate that kind of

12:56

explicit stuff. If that is the

13:01

subject matter of your show.

13:03

Does that make sense? Yeah, that totally makes sense. So in the in the vein of images,

13:04

is there anything that people

13:08

should be mindful of avoiding

13:08

beyond you know, explicit

13:12

things?

13:12

Yeah, this is like one of

13:12

our pet peeves, right. So many

13:16

podcasts have images of

13:16

microphones, and headphones, and

13:21

the RSS feed per logo, recently

13:21

attacked. And the reason is to

13:26

be like, well, it's a podcast, I want people to know it's a podcast. But this logic doesn't

13:28

work anywhere else doesn't make

13:33

sense. I was like, made a meme

13:33

of like, the cover of badboys to

13:38

end with like, a DVDs, and

13:38

cameras across Will Smith's

13:44

face. And I was like, so petty.

13:44

This would look ridiculous on a

13:49

DVD. We don't have DVDs with

13:49

cameras and the stuff on the

13:52

covers. We want to know what's

13:52

the movie about not how was it

13:56

filmed? Books do not have

13:56

pictures of typewriters on the

13:59

front sight writers, you know,

13:59

that it's actually being written

14:04

out. So your podcast, unless it

14:04

is about the music industry, or

14:09

the podcasting industry, or some

14:09

type of recording, maybe DJ,

14:14

like, unless it's one of those

14:14

areas, you probably should avoid

14:18

the headphones and microphones,

14:18

people know they're looking for

14:21

a podcast, show them what you

14:21

are really about. Don't use up

14:25

that valuable real estate to

14:25

remind people hey, you know,

14:28

this is podcast, right?

14:29

Yeah, that makes total

14:29

sense. Even though it feels kind

14:31

of counterintuitive. It can be a

14:31

newbie move. So even though we

14:35

feel personally attacked, we

14:35

will take your advice we've

14:38

talked about over use images. So

14:38

some more things to do

14:41

consistent branding, and I think

14:41

this is all a part of your

14:45

overall podcast brand, right?

14:45

Your cover art is part of your

14:47

brand, just like your theme music would be part of your brand, just like your intro

14:49

would be part of your brand. And

14:51

so you want to I think I want to

14:51

mention this, you know, if

14:54

you've got different fonts, just

14:54

they need to be consistent with

14:57

your brand. They should probably

14:57

be used somewhere else as well.

15:00

Well, it shouldn't just be like

15:00

five different fonts that you

15:02

picked out randomly. That's a weird vibe, what is your aesthetic? What are we aiming

15:04

for here,

15:06

every piece of this, we

15:06

want it pulling the same

15:08

direction. So once we have this

15:08

brand, the colors picked should

15:13

pull in that direction, the

15:13

images use should all indicate

15:18

the same thing, the words that

15:18

we picked the music in the

15:23

podcast, the tone of voice we're

15:23

using, everything should

15:27

indicate the same brand. And the

15:27

same tone through all those

15:31

things. Because it's too

15:31

confusing. If you're kind of

15:35

communicating like, Hey, this is

15:35

true crime. But on the cover

15:39

art, it doesn't look like it's

15:39

very serious. But in the

15:42

podcast, it's very serious. But

15:42

the music is like nearing Yeah,

15:46

we've got so many different

15:46

feelings. And so it kind of

15:49

feels like nothing could just be

15:49

total confusion. So try to line

15:53

all these things up and say, Are

15:53

these consistent with each

15:56

other. And then if I have a

15:56

larger brand, like this is a

15:59

podcast for a business, or a

15:59

church, or for my own thing that

16:03

I've starting, make sure it's

16:03

consistent. So go look at the

16:07

biggest brands in the world,

16:07

Coca Cola, Apple, Nike, the best

16:11

branded products in the world,

16:11

they always include the same

16:16

elements. So it's obvious, you

16:16

can't miss a pair of Nike shoes,

16:20

because you know, it's gonna

16:20

have the swoosh, you can't miss

16:23

an Apple product, because

16:23

they've got the Big Apple logo

16:26

is because they're doing it

16:26

consistent brand. And there's

16:29

certain things they would do and

16:29

certain things they don't do.

16:32

And that makes it very easy for

16:32

you to identify that it's part

16:36

of a brand.

16:36

So getting kind of more

16:36

on a techie side. What about

16:39

resolution? What should we be

16:39

paying attention to when it

16:42

comes to the resolution of our image?

16:43

So we have those

16:43

requirements from really, your

16:46

3000 by 3000. So part of that is

16:46

using high resolution images

16:50

throughout, can't just search on

16:50

Google images and like right

16:53

click and grab some grainy

16:53

thing. What do you mean, make

16:57

sure you're using things that

16:57

are one you're allowed to use,

17:01

and two that are high enough

17:01

quality. So maybe go to

17:04

something like pexels.com P E X

17:04

E els.com, not pixels pixels.

17:11

And that's a bunch of free

17:11

images for you to look at. And

17:15

you can use any of those.

17:15

They're all super high quality.

17:17

So we'll leave that in the

17:17

description. And then like we

17:21

said earlier, when you were

17:21

done, compress that final image

17:25

so that it fits under the 300

17:25

kilobytes for your podcast size.

17:31

Yeah, yes, artwork size,

17:32

there it is. So okay, the

17:32

How to we've talked about what

17:36

you need to do. Now we're

17:36

talking about how to do what you

17:38

need to do. So how to design it,

17:38

we love Canva, we've integrated

17:42

with them. So if you host with

17:42

Buzzsprout, we have a Buzzsprout

17:45

Canva integration that allows

17:45

you to design your own cover

17:48

art, and it already falls within

17:48

those specs that we talked

17:51

about. So there's that part of

17:51

it that's handled for you. One

17:54

of

17:54

the great things about

17:54

Canva is they've got hundreds of

17:58

1000s of templates. And so you

17:58

don't have to be a pro designer

18:02

to make something that looks

18:02

professional in Canva. Instead,

18:05

you go on there and you say,

18:05

Hey, where's all the podcast

18:07

artwork, and you scroll through until you see something like that's pretty close to what I

18:09

want. Now let me change the

18:12

title, change some of the

18:12

colors, edit that background

18:14

image, it's easy to tell that

18:14

something already looks good and

18:17

make adjustments. It's very

18:17

difficult to start with a blank

18:20

canvas, and then turn it into

18:20

something gorgeous later on. If

18:24

you're not a designer,

18:26

definitely. And I totally

18:26

started on Canva. And I don't

18:29

even think when I started, they

18:29

had podcast templates, just

18:31

really, yeah. So your girl was

18:31

out here on her own, designing

18:35

her cover art through Canva. But

18:35

it helped me for like one to two

18:39

years. So it was really helpful.

18:39

And I'm not a designer. So where

18:42

there can be so many pieces of

18:42

this that are intimidating.

18:45

Canva totally made it not

18:45

intimidating at all and very

18:48

helpful.

18:49

If you want to have

18:49

somebody who can help you and

18:52

really make something professional, one of our recommendations that I love is

18:54

99 designs. 99 designs is really

18:58

cool, because you pay a flat

18:58

fee, and it's not going to be

19:01

cheap, you know, you might be

19:01

spending four or $500. But

19:05

you're saying, Here's my budget.

19:05

And I want a bunch of designers

19:09

to compete to make the best

19:09

piece of artwork. And so you

19:14

write up like, here's my ideas.

19:14

Here's the theme. Here's the

19:18

brand, here's the colors, here's

19:18

the fonts, here's my like, go

19:22

for it. And then you've got like

19:22

an army of designers competing

19:28

and saying, Here's what we think

19:28

looks good. And then you start

19:31

picking out the ones that look

19:31

good, and you send back some

19:33

adjustments. And you refine with

19:33

a group of people until you pick

19:38

the best option out of all of

19:38

them. And what's so wonderful

19:42

about this is you may know what

19:42

you like but only once you see

19:46

it. And if you're that kind of

19:46

person. 99 designs is a great

19:50

way to find your cover art and

19:50

if you use Buzzsprout in our

19:54

partner discount section, we

19:54

actually have a promo code so

19:58

you get I think a pretty

19:58

substantial discount if you end

20:01

up doing 99 designs. Those are

20:03

some really great

20:03

resources. And hopefully we've

20:06

given you things to think about

20:06

and Travis, what other things

20:09

what other resources can people

20:09

get into to help them really

20:11

think about what direction they

20:11

want to take their cover art in.

20:14

So you got to share it a

20:14

lot of fantastic tips on how to

20:18

design podcast cover art for

20:18

your new podcast. And so the

20:21

resources I want to point you to

20:21

are going to help you go deeper

20:25

on some of the topics that we

20:25

covered. And also give you some

20:27

really tangible examples that

20:27

you can look at to see what we

20:31

consider good podcast artwork,

20:31

and some things stay away from.

20:35

So the first resource is

20:35

actually a blog that we wrote on

20:38

how to design, podcast cover

20:38

art, it covers all the apple

20:42

podcast requirements that we

20:42

talked about as far as the

20:44

pixels and resolutions and color

20:44

space and those kinds of things

20:47

in in that blog post. We also

20:47

have examples of really nicely

20:51

designed cover art for a variety

20:51

of different topics, and

20:55

categories. So if you want to go

20:55

and get some ideas, then that's

20:59

a great place to go that blog

20:59

post, we also have a couple of

21:02

videos on our YouTube channel

21:02

that I think you really liked.

21:04

The first one is an overview of

21:04

all the design elements you want

21:08

to have in mind as you're

21:08

designing your cover art. From

21:12

the contrasting colors to the

21:12

simplicity to the word count.

21:15

Some of the things we talked about in the episode just reiterated, and then a fun

21:16

video, if you have some time, we

21:20

actually had a professional

21:20

designer from Canva, react to 10

21:25

different pieces of Buzzsprout

21:25

cover art, these are podcasts

21:28

that use Buzzsprout to post and

21:28

promote their show. And this

21:31

designer comes in and critiques

21:31

all 10 of them outlining the

21:35

things that she loves the things

21:35

that should be improved. So you

21:38

can see some really tangible

21:38

examples and why these different

21:42

design principles are so

21:42

important. So if you want to

21:44

read that blog post, and you

21:44

want to watch those videos, just

21:47

scroll down on your phone a little bit to the shownotes. And you'll see links to all of those

21:49

resources. And the other things

21:52

we talked about, like tiny PNG

21:52

and 99 designs and all that

21:55

stuff.

21:55

Thank you, Travis. So go

21:55

ahead and check those out. Get

21:58

your artwork made. And in the

21:58

next episode, we are actually

22:01

going to get you set up in

22:01

Buzzsprout. So we've got your

22:05

edited episodes, we've got your

22:05

artwork, we've got some of the

22:09

information about your podcast.

22:09

Now we're gonna bring it all

22:11

together and get set up in your

22:11

Buzzsprout account. Till next

22:15

time he podcasting Theo