0:06

Diversion podcasts where

0:12

people who actually, you know nothing about the game

0:14

I had before. I didn't know it's

0:16

how to write paragraphs, and

0:20

uh, I can take criticism.

0:22

That just makes you work hard and it makes me

0:24

prove them wrong. Probably

0:26

didn't care and they're right on the one.

0:28

I'm saying, hey, all the hard working I can

0:30

do it, and I'm approve to you, but I can do it. And

0:33

that's how that was. I wasn't upset, UH

0:36

wasn't hurt or anything like that. Just came back

0:38

to say, man, I prove you wrong. That'sh

0:41

it comes to win, goes

0:43

to my memory bank, it goes to my motivation

0:45

bank, it comes out of the other head. Over

1:02

the previous eleven episodes of this series,

1:04

we've been exposed to the many different

1:06

sides of the adolescent Kobe Bryant,

1:09

the young Mamba. We saw

1:11

his confidence, and we saw his insecurities.

1:14

We saw the loyalty and love he

1:17

had for his friends and family, and

1:19

we saw his willingness to let people he

1:21

was close to drift out of his life.

1:24

We saw his raw honesty, and

1:26

we saw his ability to manipulate

1:28

situations and people to his advantage

1:31

to keep secrets to get what he

1:33

wanted. We've got a good long

1:36

look at a complex kid who

1:38

became a complex man. The

1:42

clip that opened this episode was, of course,

1:44

from one of Kobe's interviews with Jeremy Treaty.

1:47

It was from early in his senior year at Lower

1:49

Merit. Jeremy had asked

1:51

him what he thought of the sportswriters and talk

1:53

radio hosts who thought he shouldn't

1:55

skip college, shouldn't turn pro, and

1:58

probably wouldn't make it in the NBA. You

2:01

asked Kobe a question like that, you're

2:03

going to get another side of him. In return, you're

2:06

going to get defiance. And

2:08

that side of Kobe, his defiance side

2:11

is one that his teammates, his coaches,

2:13

the media, and plenty of other people

2:16

saw. Throughout his career with the Lakers.

2:19

Kobe was not an approachable guy for most of

2:21

those twenty years. He was a workaholic

2:23

and often very much a loner

2:26

and entity unto himself. He

2:29

wasn't accepting much advice from his elders and

2:31

his peers, and it took him a while to

2:33

start dishing any out. This

2:35

was kind of what the Mamba mentality was

2:37

all about. Imagine

2:39

you wake up at three, you train at four, you go four

2:42

to six, come home, breakfast,

2:44

relax. So so now you're back at it again,

2:46

nine to eleven. Relax, And now it's done.

2:48

Your back at it again to the four. And

2:51

how you're back at it again seven to nine.

2:54

Look how much more training I have done

2:56

by simply starting at four? All right? And so now

2:58

you do that. And as the years go on,

3:01

the separation that you have with

3:03

your competitors, in your peers just grows

3:06

larger and larger and larger and larger. But

3:08

once Kobe reached the last few seasons

3:10

of his career and moved into retirement,

3:13

something about him seemed to change. He

3:15

wrote a best selling book, he won

3:17

an oscar, He embraced his role

3:19

as a girl dad, and he morphed

3:22

into the wise old owl of the

3:24

NBA. Players sought him

3:26

out for counsel and insight, and

3:28

more importantly, he was open to giving

3:31

it. This was not the Kobe

3:33

we knew. We're

3:35

at the second anniversary of his death, and

3:37

one of the factors that made it more tragic

3:40

was that Kobe appeared to be moving in this new

3:42

direction in his life. There seemed

3:45

to be more ahead for him. So

3:47

in this bonus episode, we wanted

3:49

to explore how that change might have come

3:51

about and what this new Kobe

3:53

was like, and we wanted to do it

3:55

through the perspectives of three current

3:58

NBA players, Guys who could

4:00

explain what it was like to play against

4:03

or with Kobe, to talk to

4:05

Kobe, to interact with Kobe

4:07

in those years just before his death.

4:10

Guys who could express the meaning of Kobe's

4:12

legacy in a way most of us never

4:14

could. We'll start

4:16

out with someone familiar to basketball

4:18

fans every year. Fakes

4:20

put up that's God fine

4:23

text on the second relating he'll

4:25

still time fix

4:28

a two point Yeah, so

4:32

tact. Carmelo

4:34

Anthony, future Hall of Famer, the

4:37

ninth leading scorer in NBA history,

4:39

is in his nineteenth season in the league and

4:42

his first with the Lakers. I

4:44

didn't interview Mellow, but two guys who

4:46

have covered the NBA much longer and much

4:49

better than I have, Jack McCallum

4:51

and j A. Adonde did. They

4:54

talked to him for season two of another

4:56

diversion podcast, the Dream Team

4:59

Tapes. Mellow and Kobe were

5:01

teammates for the US at the two thousand

5:03

eight and two thousand twelve Summer Olympics.

5:06

The other two players are teammates on Kobe's

5:09

hometown team, the Philadelphia seventy

5:11

six Ers. I spoke with Seth

5:13

Curry and Tobias Harris about

5:16

their vantage points on Kobe, what

5:18

it was like to grow up watching him,

5:20

and what it was like to meet him and play against

5:23

him, and more important, as

5:25

Seth Curry says here, we

5:27

spoke about why Kobe's presence and

5:29

spirit are still felt throughout

5:32

the NBA, the guys who are in the league

5:34

and of guys who grew up watching I played. We

5:37

grew up on him, um from their little

5:39

kids to play twenty years

5:41

in the league or whatever. So that's twenty

5:43

years of our start learning the game,

5:45

first watching the game. And

5:48

we kind of saw his whole career as a youngster,

5:50

his time with the Lakers, his whole

5:53

career with the Lakers, ups and downs,

5:55

tragedy, triumphs the way, but became

5:58

a lout of adversity. So uh, I'm

6:00

saying he's just one of the greatest ever do it,

6:02

and he did it his own way, So I mean that

6:04

respect level was present across

6:06

the league. I'm

6:18

Mike Sealski and from Diversion Podcasts,

6:21

This is I am cool, I

6:24

love, Why

6:26

sweet? Why Steve create

6:29

myself? Exac

6:32

signs up and create yourself.

6:35

Say nice, now, go on create

6:38

yourself. You gotta line for the great

6:40

minds. But we ain't lyne tell them next

6:42

any time. Episode

6:45

twelve, Legacy

7:00

through Carmelo Anthony's first five years in the

7:02

NBA, he and Kobe Bryant weren't

7:04

really friends. They might text now

7:06

and again, but they weren't what anyone would

7:08

call close and mellow. Well,

7:11

his perception of Kobe was one that was pretty

7:14

common around the league. Here he is again

7:16

talking to Jack and j A like

7:19

he, I mean, he don't give a damn Like he don't got no

7:21

friends. He just all about basketball.

7:23

He just locked in seven

7:26

like that's who he was. It wasn't my

7:28

perception, was his reality like that was everybody

7:31

knew that. You know, Kobe ain't trying

7:33

to be cool with nobody, like you don't want no friends,

7:35

like he focused on being

7:37

great in basketball and training

7:40

and keeping like he was he always trying

7:42

to figure out a way how to get one up on somebody

7:45

and try to get the age. So we

7:47

knew that I knew that, but

7:49

then once we got in OH eight, that

7:51

was when our our relationship really

7:53

took off. When Mellow says OH

7:56

eight, he's talking about the run up to

7:58

the two thousand eight Summer Olympics in Beijing.

8:01

The US men's basketball team at those games

8:03

was known as the Redeemed Team because

8:05

the US had finished sixth at the two

8:08

thousand two World Championships and

8:10

had struggled to take bronze at the

8:12

OH four Games in Athens. The

8:15

Redeemed Team had Kobe and

8:17

Mellow and Lebron James

8:20

and Dwyane Wade, and the team's

8:22

leadership corps wanted to make a few things

8:24

clear to Kobe before they embarked

8:26

on their quest to win the gold medal. He

8:29

couldn't be selfish, He couldn't

8:31

be a gunner. He had the sacrifice

8:33

for the good of the team. Because of

8:36

the pree noting that everybody had

8:38

about Kobe him coming on the team, everybody

8:40

expected that him to bring what

8:43

he was doing with the Lakers, and you know, everybody

8:45

just thought that's what he was going to do coming on that team,

8:48

and as leaders on the team that was

8:50

approached before that, you

8:52

know, it was sit down with cold like listen,

8:55

bro, like, we don't need the Laker Kobe,

8:57

Like you know what I'm saying, like we we

8:59

need we need you to be who you are.

9:02

But you're playing with you know, you're

9:04

playing with the best. Now you're playing the best

9:06

of the best. So I think

9:08

at first it took him a little while for

9:10

for him to adjust to that. Once

9:19

he did, though, Kobe was the best player

9:21

on that Olympic team, and he didn't have to

9:23

shoot all the time to do it. Ryan

9:26

gets its side, kicks it out the anthonies, but shooting

9:29

wild backs off the time. He

9:31

was a tone center with his work, ethic and defense,

9:34

and by opening himself up to his teammate's

9:36

advice and suggestions, Kobe expanded

9:38

his vision for the kind of player and

9:41

the kind of person he could be. Here's

9:43

mellow again, the way that he

9:45

bought himself to become so comfortable

9:48

with us, you know, and the

9:50

players on the team, and you

9:53

know, really understanding like okay, like this

9:55

is a band of brothers here, Like you know, in the Lakers,

9:57

he was, he was who he was,

10:00

he would you know, he come in early in the

10:02

morning, he come in late at night and he's

10:04

working and he's doing his thing, and he's out when people

10:06

coming there. There it was you know, he never let

10:08

nobody in there with us like he was. You know, he was

10:10

very you know, secretive and

10:13

stand office with us.

10:15

Like you saw him

10:18

like slowly letting his guard down,

10:20

even on the buses, you know,

10:23

even going to the Olympic village and

10:25

going to other sporting events, like you

10:27

saw the guard coming

10:30

coming down. You saw those bricks falling, and

10:34

he was fully immersed in and

10:36

what we was doing and being

10:38

there with us, and that was something that

10:40

was like Okay, he finally

10:43

like okay, we got the last

10:45

brick down, like the wall is down, Like

10:47

it's down, y'all. This damn we did a good job.

10:49

Like it was you almost felt like a sense

10:51

of victory seeing him laugh the

10:53

way that he was laughing and you

10:56

know, talking and communicating

10:58

and stories and just like you, we

11:01

felt that. I don't

11:03

think it's a coincidence that Kobe won his final

11:06

two NBA championships with the Lakers

11:08

in two thousand nine and two thousand

11:11

ten right after Beijing. And

11:13

I don't think it's a coincidence that the

11:15

changes we saw in Kobe began in

11:17

earnest around then too. I

11:19

really see the two thousand eight Olympics as a

11:21

turning point in his career and

11:24

in his life. The Kobe he became

11:26

during the O eight Games was the Kobe

11:28

he remained until the day he died.

11:31

I think we gave him another egge.

11:34

We gave him another level of sharpness

11:37

because he knew like how sharp

11:39

we were on that team, you know, from

11:42

us getting up early in the morning and training and working

11:45

out and talking and can you watch the film and

11:47

and you know, having fun too. But he

11:49

saw the sharpness that we had on that

11:51

team everybody and and what what

11:54

I used to say was iron sharpness

11:56

iron and he understood

11:58

that. He understands that language. And

12:00

he also understand something that we submit him.

12:02

We've always say, lions don't hang

12:04

with nobody other than lions. Right.

12:07

That's a gigantic shot, great played by

12:09

Kobe Bryant. I thought if you could controllers another

12:13

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12:23

just about supper Fritish. Hey,

12:48

this is Mike Sealsky, host and writer of

12:50

I Am Kobe, This podcast

12:53

project came out of my work on a related book

12:55

called The Rise Kobe Bryant

12:57

and the Pursuit of Immortality. If

13:00

you want to explore other parts of Kobe's story,

13:02

check out The Rise. It's not just a

13:05

book version of the podcast. I dive

13:07

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13:09

series, and even some that we don't cover

13:11

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13:13

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13:16

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13:18

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13:20

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13:59

So, how did the characteristics of this new

14:01

Kobe manifest themselves? What

14:03

was he like and how is he different? In

14:05

those latter years of his career and during

14:08

his retirement. We heard from Carmelo

14:10

about how and why Kobe changed, but

14:13

he had known Kobe for a long time. I

14:15

wanted to talk to a couple of players who

14:18

didn't meet Kobe until much later, who

14:20

grew up idolizing him. Seth

14:23

Curry and Tobias Harris of the Sixers

14:25

fit that description, and each

14:28

had an interesting or unique connection

14:30

to Kobe. Seth is

14:32

the son of longtime NBA sharpshooter

14:34

Del Curry and of course the

14:36

younger brother of superstar Steph

14:39

Curry. Dell played

14:41

against Kobe, Steph played

14:43

against Kobe, and Seth played

14:45

against Kobe. Here's Seth. Did

14:48

you see the amount of half

14:50

for Kobe? Long devity and what he means?

14:52

What he means to the game. Remember

14:55

growing up as a kid, um my

14:58

dad playing against him back is

15:00

one of my favorite players back then, the number

15:02

eight. I just remember one

15:05

cool let my dad played at one time. He came

15:07

back in the d of the night from l

15:09

a Um and he brought

15:11

me signs during the end his games

15:14

shot from that game, so I still have him to this day,

15:16

which is pretty cool. Just

15:18

before the two thousand fifteen sixteen season,

15:21

Kobe's last in the NBA, Seth

15:24

was playing for the Sacramento Kings, who

15:26

held a couple of preseason games in Las

15:28

Vegas. One night, while he was

15:30

there, Seth and a few of his teammates

15:33

went out to eat. A familiar face

15:35

was already in the restaurant and

15:40

Kobe in the bag, and then it was him in security

15:42

guard um in the back when

15:44

he walked out and came

15:47

to came to State with Uther, and he ended up

15:50

sitting sitting with us like hours and shopping

15:52

up with us, talking and telling us

15:54

about me. We're asking a question,

15:56

tell us about what he was

15:58

doing that summer that season, just prepared for his

16:01

last season, everything he had to go through to get ready for a

16:03

game. Uh, he was just telling some crazy stories.

16:05

So I'm really the only

16:07

chance to having to having extended interactional with Kobe,

16:10

talking to gain with him, just learning, picking his brain,

16:12

seeing how he how he taked. And it

16:14

was kind of cool because it was going into his last year.

16:17

You know, he kind of turned the corner as far as his his

16:19

competitivenessues only to a

16:21

point where he will to get away some secrets

16:24

and some tips to the other guys that you

16:26

know, if that was five

16:28

and earlier than that, he wouldn't

16:30

have told us nearly any anything about

16:32

what he's doing to get ready to play. So still a pretty

16:35

cool experience there. It is if

16:37

Seth had been playing in the NBA before two,

16:40

before Kobe went through his Olympic experience,

16:43

would Kobe have approached that table and taken

16:46

the time to talk with Seth and his teammates.

16:49

I'm not sure that said, I

16:51

don't think Kobe ever lost the essence of who

16:53

he was, and Seth didn't think that

16:55

either. I asked him what he thought

16:57

Kobe's legacy was. First

16:59

of what was this his competitiveness? I

17:02

mean drive,

17:04

his competitiveness to be great. Um, he sacrifice

17:07

a lot in his personal life friends,

17:10

uh, friendship, even he says, I his his

17:13

as with his family just to be to

17:15

be the best of his craft and to be the um

17:18

best player could possibly be. So you gotta respect

17:20

that. Doing with one franchise for twenty

17:22

years. Um, just

17:25

when his name is just tie

17:27

right in with the Laker, with the Laker organization

17:30

like a culture, the whole city of l A.

17:32

I think that's that competitiveness and instead

17:35

the Laker tradition is is his legacy.

17:45

For Tobias Harris, Kobe's legacy

17:47

was tangible well after he had retired.

17:50

Harris was in his seventh NBA season

17:53

and with his third NBA team, the Detroit

17:55

Pistons when they traded him to the Los

17:57

Angeles Clippers in January. The

18:01

Clippers and the Lakers share the same home

18:03

arena. It was called Staples

18:05

Center, then it's called Crypto

18:08

dot Com Arena now whatever

18:10

its name. To Tobias, it

18:12

was Kobe's house. Yeah, just because,

18:15

like you know, it was always a feeling of

18:17

about woman arenas

18:20

was with the Clippments, but just just

18:22

knowing that it's there's a

18:26

port of Mark on all until his career

18:29

achievements. You know, just even

18:31

when we were playing the Lakers, excitement

18:34

seeing out your games on TV. It was

18:36

a real excitement for the buzz of l

18:38

A. But it's because of Kobe

18:40

and when he implemented you know,

18:43

obviously Kobe and shocked there doing that they

18:45

had and then after that, but

18:48

yeah, being out there is it

18:50

were like, you know, maybe

18:52

and playing in l A and playing

18:55

in l A. Yeah, obviously

18:58

on the two hundred team, but

19:00

just that that buzz and basketball I think

19:02

is was created and

19:05

kind of just heightened through Colby's

19:07

achievements out there. Tobias

19:09

is in his fourth season with the six person and

19:12

I talked with him not long after he was involved

19:14

in an incident that made me think of Kobe.

19:17

It happened during a game against the Houston

19:19

Rockets in Philadelphia. Tobias

19:22

has been having a bit of a down season,

19:24

and after he missed an easy shot and Philly

19:27

fans started booing it, he raised

19:29

his arms in defiance as if to say,

19:32

bring it on. Then he

19:34

hit a shot later in the game, and

19:36

as he ran back down court, he said,

19:39

don't fucking boom. He

19:42

got a fair amount of criticism and pushed back for

19:44

that, which shouldn't be surprising. Philly

19:46

fans can be tough, but they're also pretty

19:48

sensitive. Anyway, since the

19:50

incident had just happened, I asked

19:53

him if he'd given any thought to how Kobe

19:55

would have reacted in that situation. He

20:00

wasn't at eve that. He was a just

20:04

on his his work, ethic and and

20:06

and pushing through. So you know, I'll take

20:08

all those things into consideration, of

20:10

course, and mean,

20:13

how about it just continue to work.

20:15

And you know, I think he was

20:17

one of the best playing to his career

20:20

ups and downs, and you

20:22

know, nothing when he faced him on the

20:25

floor, So I think he definitely did a great

20:27

job of that. In late August two

20:29

thousand nineteen, Kobe held

20:31

a minicamp for current NBA players.

20:34

It was invite only and it focused

20:36

almost entirely on offense. Kobe

20:40

wanted to impart his knowledge to the next generation

20:42

of scores. He held the camp

20:45

at his Mamba Academy in Thousand

20:47

Oaks, California. It's become

20:49

a legendary event in recent NBA history.

20:52

Tobias Harris was one of the players

20:55

Kobe invited. Again,

20:57

I'm not sure this is something Kobe would have even

20:59

can sit here doing earlier in his life.

21:02

Yet it stands out now as one

21:04

of the reasons that he became such a respected

21:07

figure during his retirement. It's

21:09

not just that Kobe decided to try to be a

21:11

mentor, it's that players wanted

21:14

him to be a mentor. Why What

21:17

was it about him that drew these younger

21:19

guys to him. Here's what Tobias

21:22

told me. You know, I think,

21:24

honestly, this is the game

21:26

of basketball. I think, you know, when I was

21:28

out there in l A and there's

21:30

a group of myself and I think

21:33

it was like twenty some guys. But

21:36

you can see how much

21:38

he loves basketball and how much um

21:42

basketball was was a part

21:44

of him. And really you can see he

21:47

was a very good teacher, and

21:49

I think that was the thing that he

21:51

probably knew his whole career. But he

21:54

retired. I think he had

21:56

like a realization, I've got such a good

21:58

teacher at teaching people

22:01

things that I should do it more.

22:03

And I remember where we were at to camp that

22:05

was all like an offense camp, and

22:08

he was shown some guys some defense because

22:10

I joke a like, man, that's what That's

22:13

what I want to build this student. Next year

22:15

of defense, next

22:26

year, God, think

22:29

about it. That was

22:31

the summer of two thousand nineteen. There

22:34

was no next year. Five

22:37

months later, Kobe was gone.

22:40

We are two years removed now from

22:42

his death, and in so many ways,

22:45

it is still surreal. In

22:47

so many ways, the shock still

22:50

lingers. In so many

22:52

ways, it feels like that tragedy

22:55

didn't really happen. We've

23:02

done our best in this series to

23:04

give you a fresh look at Kobe, a

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chance to see him and examine

23:09

him and judge him and

23:11

remember him from a different perspective,

23:14

from several different perspectives. Always,

23:18

though, there was one theme at

23:20

the core of this podcast, the

23:23

drive that made Kobe great.

23:26

Everything was done to try to learn how to

23:28

become a better basketball player. Everything,

23:31

everything, And so when you have that point of

23:33

view, then literally the world

23:35

becomes your library to help

23:37

you to become better at your craft. The

23:40

players that had

23:42

that passion but weren't

23:46

willing to commit their entire lives

23:48

to doing that, right, it's a choice. Right,

23:51

you have other things, You have a family, you have all these

23:53

other things that you have to do. The game can't

23:56

really be your number

23:58

one priority. And so I

24:00

was just looking at that like, man, I'm this

24:02

is gonna be fun. You

24:05

saw a lot of the young Mamba. You

24:08

saw some of Kobe and his crime. In

24:11

this episode. You saw how Kobe

24:13

mature, how even he saw

24:15

himself in a different way. You

24:18

might admire him, you might despise

24:20

him, but it will be impossible

24:23

to forget it. And we appreciate

24:26

you joining us as we told this

24:28

story. I

24:40

Am Kobe is a production of the Version Podcasts

24:42

in association with I Heart Radio. This

24:45

season is written and hosted by me Mike

24:47

Sealskin. It's produced by Jacob

24:49

Bronstein and directed by Mark Francis.

24:52

Story editing by Jacob Bronstein, with editorial

24:55

direction from Scott Waxen. Editing,

24:58

mixing and sound design by Mark Francis.

25:01

Stephen Thompkins is our production assistant.

25:03

Our theme music is Create Yourself

25:06

by Grover Brown featuring Justin Starling.

25:09

Find Create Yourself wherever you stream music.

25:13

Music supervisor is Scott Velasquez

25:15

for fre Soans Sinking. Executive

25:18

producers are Mark Francis and Scott Waxman.

25:21

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25:23

on social media on Twitter and Instagram.

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It's at diversion Pods thanks

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to Orin Rosenbaum, Susan Cannavan and

25:31

Jeremy Treatment the eyebries

25:34

before the son. They don't understand when

25:37

I say the blind is fun. Never clack you out

25:39

even where my work is done. If they're trying to black

25:41

me, I might heart someone throw the blood

25:43

sweat and says we part Sufi, stay tending

25:46

in. Let it keep the harus in. If they don't

25:48

believe in themselves, gab vert defend that

25:50

at Sampa says, so on't selling, don't ask

25:52

my am. This the reason why I'm I'm

25:54

wearing so damn different the negatives.

25:57

I can listen see me at the tap

25:59

you and listen where

26:01

I'm a vote to play like cash is

26:04

see, I pay my dudes because taxes

26:06

gotta work. I think and grind ahead of his time.

26:08

So I'm saying that they made you. Don't tell them you create

26:11

yourself the best you finn

26:13

watch us by that

26:17

time. You gotta snake clock, then break

26:19

clock. Break we create ourselves. Watch

26:23

me, watch me to create

26:25

myself. Exact

26:27

client signs up and create

26:30

yourself. They

26:32

nice and ain't no hard create

26:34

yourself. You gotta learn from the

26:36

great minds that we ain't lying. Tell them

26:39

next game time. This talent

26:41

wasn't given, it was made the future.

26:43

Any time I could change better, tell

26:45

them that I made it back home. As

26:47

I walked through the hearts of the fame, I came

26:50

from the valley of the Shadow with death waiting

26:52

for us. Some spoons don't hold your breath, sat

26:54

Town, sat train. But I did it with less. I

26:56

know one that to be. So there's nothing in the guests,

26:59

Yeah, there's nothing to guess. It's

27:01

our times. Tell them we up next. We

27:04

don't got any regrests. I did it with my soon

27:06

hands, and we never forgets my an.

27:08

This the reason why my work so damn

27:11

different to the negatives. I can't

27:13

listen see me at the time. You can't

27:15

listen for where, rebuild,

27:18

reach shape, give me your eye. You got

27:21

to risk take do it now. When

27:23

I'm saying why braves, I'm saying that they man.

27:25

You don't tell them you create yourself on the

27:28

bench, you finn or watch us

27:30

by it's by that

27:32

time. You gotta snake clock, then break clock,

27:35

break we create ourselves. Watch

27:38

me clach watch then create

27:40

myself. Shack

27:43

Clin signs up and create

27:45

yourself. They're

27:47

nice and ain't go on create

27:50

yourself. Gotta learn from the great

27:52

minds. No, we ain't lying. Tell them next

27:54

anytime. Diversion

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