This week, John and Joseph talk about their relationships to work, art, and family, our attraction to dark imagery, and what An Antidote for Strychnine is really about. Featuring an exclusive demo of the song.

The Mountain Goats’ new album, In League With Dragons, is out now on Merge Records. Get it at to mergerecords.com/in-league-with-dragons. For more information, go to ionlylistentothemountaingoats.com.

From Night Vale Presents. Produced by Christy Gressman.