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acre stackhouse

1:03

hi by sense

1:09

of

1:16

they'd hands me the

1:18

palm pilot the floppy disk and as sandisk

1:20

data card and says run

1:24

then i do three flights of steps go

1:26

through that first big vault door slam

1:28

up behind me run into his office

1:32

kneel down in front of the bag the realized

1:34

that i've got three devices in my hand there

1:37

are four pockets on the bag they're all completely

1:39

similar and i can't for the life of me

1:41

remember which device i pulled out

1:43

a which pocket i hear him

1:46

coming through that first big vault

1:48

door

1:52

from foreign policy welcome to

1:54

i spy on each

1:57

episode we get one former intelligence

1:59

operatives the story of one

2:01

operation i'm ,

2:03

martindale martindale

2:05

is part to a bar episode with erica

2:07

nails and sci agent who helped

2:09

catch robert hanssen one of the

2:11

most damaging spies in us in

2:15

if you haven't heard part one you

2:17

should listen to it first and come back and us the

2:20

year to two thousand and

2:22

o'neill was just thousand six years

2:24

old as part of his cover

2:27

he was assigned to work for hansen

2:29

was the f b i over time

2:32

o'neill begins to win the hansen's trust

2:35

but the stress of the case is putting case strain

2:38

on his marriage oh

2:40

no picks up the story from here

2:45

working

2:48

undercover and the hands and case

2:50

was so difficult in terms

2:52

of the amount of stress had piled on

2:54

me my marriage

2:57

became a trainwreck in

2:59

what i did in the f b i and the first place

3:01

working undercover as ghosts that had the highest rate of

3:03

divorce in the f b i that's how stressful that

3:05

us the problem

3:07

is that you the act out on that stress

3:09

when you're working undercover you have to play a role

3:12

he have to be a very good actor that

3:14

to not let your emotions

3:16

and particular said

3:20

we're a all animals that need to show

3:22

our emotions we need to dive

3:24

into the deep end of a pool and scream

3:26

at out at some point right and

3:29

unfortunately what happens is you

3:32

let it out close to people that

3:34

love you and that puts you into

3:36

fights with them that's

3:38

what i was doing without even really knowing it's

3:41

i was distant i was unavailable i

3:43

was preoccupied i wasn't easy

3:45

live with i was grumpy i

3:47

was honestly blind

3:49

to her i couldn't tell her what

3:52

i was doing that this was the most critical

3:54

case that the f b i had ever run out

3:57

with telling her that i was working was computer

4:00

job at fpr headquarters and the

4:02

server crashed again i didn't know what to tell or other

4:04

than that what

4:07

i wanted to say as honey

4:09

, a little bit of grace i'm hunting the

4:11

biggest spy in us history

4:13

may be world history history hard

4:17

but i couldn't say that so

4:21

when we received information from

4:23

the former kgb intelligence

4:26

officer source we

4:28

couldn't use it to immediately arrest hands there

4:31

were a few problems with one it was circumstantial

4:33

at best the we received

4:36

it from a spy and

4:38

a good defense attorney will

4:40

say that you can't believe

4:43

what this former russian spy

4:45

who worked against the united states is telling

4:47

you he's , spy he

4:50

is a liar by trade and this

4:52

could be a very

4:54

clever espionage technique by

4:57

the russians to discredit a

4:59

decorated agent who worked against them for

5:01

his entire career on the eve of his

5:03

retirement from the retirement b i they

5:06

could also say that this is just

5:08

a partial match on reprint he

5:11

, it's not conclusive conclusive

5:14

kgb can kgb the

5:16

voice on that tape over there are many ways

5:18

you could pick it apart so we

5:20

really needed we despite weird

5:23

to prove that he was the spy we've been after

5:26

for twenty years and the way

5:28

to do that was to build a case learn

5:30

information about him in the case and

5:32

cats him red handed making a dropped

5:35

the russians on

5:38

a very strange routine he loved

5:41

his palm pilot to die the

5:43

out for those are you who are

5:46

on the younger side you won't know

5:48

what a palm pilot is but

5:50

in the year two thousand it was the coolest

5:53

the advice that you could have on your person it

5:55

was the smartphone before a smartphone was

5:57

invented it was called

5:59

a

6:00

Personal data assistant and you would take

6:02

a plastic stick called a stylist

6:04

and you would tap the screen, you couldn't even use

6:06

your finger to tap information

6:08

into it. And basically what it was was

6:10

a digital calendar. It

6:12

was very time-consuming and Hanson.

6:14

one hit a palm three acts which was an older version

6:17

the pretty thick and he kept it in his

6:19

left back pocket anybody pull it out

6:22

multiple times every single

6:24

day it would give him alerts

6:26

for all of his calendar information he'd

6:29

even pull it out because he was very religious man

6:32

every day the pray the rosary

6:34

would give it would remind him that every

6:36

day he he would have to stop kneel down

6:38

and pray the rosary

6:40

and he loved it and i asked them about it any

6:43

said that every

6:45

great executive has one of these and

6:48

eric you're nothing but a do nothing no

6:50

good worthless clerk and so you

6:52

don't have one and if you ever

6:54

wanted to be something in the f b i

6:56

and our and and make it as a

6:58

special agent you would have a device

7:00

like this new an organizer life and you wouldn't be

7:03

so frantic and making mistakes all the time

7:06

so i watched them with this thing any as

7:08

i said he kept in his left back pocket and

7:11

so every time he sat down he

7:13

would have to remove it otherwise he'd be

7:15

seeing a chiropractor the thing was too big and

7:18

so when he said his his desk in particular

7:20

which was really the only places sat down

7:23

in our office he , it out of his pocket

7:25

and like clockwork reach down and put it in

7:27

his bag that he would keep right next to his desk

7:29

and the same spot every day it was it

7:32

shoulder bag it had to pockets

7:34

on either side that were the

7:37

precisely similar the ripper pockets

7:39

a zipper to talk i'd reached

7:41

down i'm super the pocket

7:44

put it in and zipper backup then

7:47

as soon as he stood up he'd reach down grab

7:49

the palm pilot put in his back pocket which

7:51

was interesting because you

7:53

know you could you can leave it in your bag you

7:55

leave it on your desk but what he was

7:57

doing is a routine to make sure it was always

8:00

this person and i thought oh

8:02

man he ,

8:04

has something in their the problem is

8:07

is always on his person though

8:11

i said i gotta get one of these i

8:13

went to the chief scientist the the f b i doctor

8:16

killed any requisitioned a palm

8:18

pilot from him i said actually ah

8:21

dark can i have to then

8:23

he said to and i said i'd like to give one to my boss

8:26

you know ingratiate myself and he said your boss

8:28

is robert hanssen right you're gonna need anything

8:30

you can get a give you too and

8:32

i got to palm pilots right

8:35

now palm five we're faster

8:38

better battery life more

8:40

slender he could put it in the jacket

8:42

of a suit right as

8:44

opposed to his back pocket and so

8:47

i pushed it across the does too there

8:49

are a boss ago i got to and check out mine

8:52

pulled my now top did a few times you know

8:54

now i'm now i'm gonna make it to executive service

8:56

and he laughed at me he said you never well but good

8:59

that you got one of those devices you're on

9:01

your way and he pushed the

9:03

palm pilot i had gotten for him back

9:05

across the desk a me said take this

9:08

back i'll keep mine i've

9:10

written the encryption on it myself these

9:13

idiots at the f b i those are his words not

9:15

mine right couldn't

9:17

crack it on their best day the

9:20

we had to find a way to get him away

9:22

from that palm pilot was sufficient time to

9:25

take it the detroit can pull him

9:27

and get it away from

9:31

hansen drove this old silver ford

9:33

tourists the up the i wanted

9:35

search because hey there's

9:38

in there could be evidence in the car and

9:40

the best place to do that is in the belly

9:43

of f b i headquarters down in the parking

9:45

garage and all a to do is get away

9:47

from his car for long

9:49

enough for them to conduct a search

9:51

do whatever they needed to do and get it back before

9:53

we return the we

9:55

found an opportunity when hansen told

9:57

me that we were going to go over to

10:00

the cyber security company that

10:02

was building a new technology

10:04

that would protect an ip address in

10:07

a we're going to go over and and talk to them

10:09

and learn about the technology and see whether

10:11

be something that we could implement over at

10:13

the f b i though the

10:16

requisitioned one of those big black and

10:18

be isu beasts that you see and

10:20

all the movies and tv shows they do exist

10:22

with all the lights and sirens and gizmos and i

10:24

think it's bulletproof and is really cool in

10:27

a car was left behind until

10:29

we headed over to meet

10:31

with this company and me with their owner and talk

10:33

about the technology and it was fascinating but

10:37

it ended too early and

10:39

we were going to get back to the f

10:41

b i way before we should

10:43

out and i'm

10:46

driving and at the same time waiting

10:48

and when he's not looking i'm checking my

10:51

pager and new that we're getting back to soon

10:54

and new that we're going

10:56

to be in trouble so i

10:58

drove a different way than we

11:00

probably should have gone and he looked at mean he said what

11:03

are you doing why are you

11:05

getting off here on the parkway you

11:08

know it would be a lot faster to go this

11:10

way if you stayed on we

11:12

could get downtown and

11:15

i said look you know i was investigate

11:17

specialist i know what i'm doing now

11:19

you're in my world trust me

11:23

my porn of course was to drive right

11:25

into am street traffic down there

11:28

the waterfront in georgetown and

11:30

it was miserable it's always bumper to bumper

11:32

on a good day now are crawling along

11:34

and to make matters worse in a

11:37

god looked out for me there was an accent up

11:39

ahead so we were just in a parking lot

11:42

then he said get to a side street

11:44

and get around this around this i can't you know i'm kind

11:46

of stock i can't make these cars move would scuff

11:48

sip from will a while be patient and

11:50

he said you know what i

11:52

can get out of his car walk

11:55

up a few blocks past all of this get in

11:57

a cab and get there way

11:59

be for you're ever going to crawl through

12:01

this mess you created and get us back

12:03

my time is valuable and

12:06

you're wasting my time and he opens

12:08

his or to get out a subway bus

12:10

don't get out he gets out a car and i gotta the car

12:12

now the off the cars and park the big like sep

12:15

to save their parts and he's

12:17

like i've seen a chase after him and i'd stop him

12:20

look there's something i had a talk to have it's

12:23

juliana that's what you've

12:25

been talking about it's about having kids i

12:27

had that conversation with her she's

12:29

not ready i am and i don't know what to do and

12:31

i thought we could talk about this that this is

12:33

getting back to that conversation that he would bring

12:35

up again and again and again he was real

12:38

interested in this and he got back in the car and

12:41

it took us forever to get back to the office

12:43

but we had this very long conversation

12:45

that i didn't want to have that i had to sit through

12:47

not an appropriate places about

12:50

how my faith is demanding that

12:52

demanding get my wife pregnant and

12:54

have many children and that is the time

12:56

to do it in here all the ways you can convince

12:58

her the

13:01

same time the up the i

13:03

finish the search of his car got

13:05

it back in place before we return to the

13:07

office and we learned that when they

13:09

searched the car they

13:11

found trash bags packing

13:14

tape talk everything

13:16

he would need to load a drop and we knew

13:19

that to drop was coming you're

13:23

listening to i spy will be right there

13:32

welcome back to i spy i'm

13:34

margo martindale we

13:37

return to the story of f b i agent

13:39

eric oh neil who's been

13:42

assigned to trap a suspected spy

13:44

robert hanssen back to

13:46

o'neill we knew that are drop

13:49

was coming

13:50

the new it not only because we searched his car we

13:52

found the sort of tools that he would you you

13:54

would use for a drop including the trash

13:56

bags that we knew from a we had gotten from

13:58

the source that put us on hinson of first place

14:00

he would wrap his drop in trash bags we

14:03

had to trash bags he had to packing tape he

14:05

had to talk to set his signal sites

14:07

all the things that he needed we

14:10

knew drop coming but we also knew from overseas

14:12

that the russian intelligence was ready

14:14

for a drop they were expecting on

14:17

we were sure it was hanson was gonna make the drop of the

14:19

problem was we couldn't rely

14:21

on surveillance catching him doing

14:24

i mean surveillance is a tricky thing particularly

14:27

with a target who is hyper aware and

14:29

trained to spot surveillance so

14:32

we needed a know not only where he would be

14:34

when he made that drop a when he was gonna make it so

14:36

we could be there in front of him not

14:38

falling behind and

14:40

one of my jobs was figure out the

14:42

where that's going to be go

14:44

find that information hello

14:47

how much was a figure that out you not going to just tell me

14:49

i've gotten really good at have conversations

14:52

the solicitor in conversations and tricking

14:54

on but you know

14:56

he's never gonna tell me that that

14:59

he had a palm pilot and he had that routine

15:01

and i knew that if you encrypt something

15:04

you're protecting if you have a routine

15:06

that means you're always aware where it is you're

15:08

protecting let's give it away from

15:13

that get it away from i'm we had to trick him

15:16

to being away from it was sufficient

15:18

time that we could get it out of his bag copy

15:21

it and get back before he knew was gone though

15:24

we had to break his routine and you break someone's

15:26

routine i throwing them

15:28

off balance has really use

15:31

in this case to being a palace a new have felt

15:33

and i really wanted him off balance so

15:37

kate and i and rich garcia

15:39

who is the section chief the only other person i knew

15:41

and headquarters other than the director the

15:44

worked in , office

15:46

down the hall from me so of things got really

15:48

dicey my orders for to run

15:50

to his office and he was always armed and ready

15:54

the three of us came over the plane and

15:56

if the steal the palm pilot plant rich

16:00

that assistant director that

16:02

hansen didn't like the same guy we

16:04

stolen the art from we're

16:06

going to come and unannounced when

16:09

hansen i were sitting at his desk and

16:12

completely startle

16:18

though his know sitting at his desk

16:21

we're talking about something or other i made sure we

16:23

were said the down i had my pager where he couldn't

16:26

see and my that and i sent a

16:28

, star is the asterisk character

16:30

to dictate to say operations got got

16:34

and the assistant director we're director say

16:36

saunter in sir richard the code to the door

16:38

is only other person that hence the new have

16:40

the code to the door so he had to be involved he

16:43

opens door discuss it opens on announce hansen

16:45

announce startled which comes in with the and

16:48

assistant director he doesn't like

16:50

who we stole the art form and there's

16:52

the art over dust and

16:55

he's looking a little sickly and then

16:57

and then angry and if this and director

16:59

walks up subs twenty dollars on his desk

17:02

and says you and me the

17:04

shooting range i bet that twenty five targets

17:06

that of five i will beat you finance

17:11

and tries to back off he says i you know i'm

17:13

i'm much too busy or eat you know my

17:16

staff and i are working on something

17:18

we've got a deadline was gotta get this done we

17:20

didn't he was lying everybody

17:22

knew that the a dick says i

17:25

don't think you understand this

17:27

is not the request now

17:30

we used everything we learned about and

17:33

like authority like birthday

17:37

like to be silenced don't like

17:39

to be interrupted the really

17:41

really really likes the ship god as a gun

17:43

finale so grumbles

17:46

to his feet he grabs his ear

17:49

protection as i protects any holsters

17:51

his firearm you know nobody walks around

17:53

wearing a firearm and happier headquarters the everybody

17:55

does locks and and her desk and

17:58

the first time forget the

18:00

reach down beside his bag and grab a

18:02

palm pilot we totally broke his routine

18:05

and he stumbles off after these two he

18:08

goes down all the way to the basement

18:10

with a parking garages well that's also where the shooting

18:12

ranges soon as

18:15

he gets in there i had an asset

18:17

down and down and range you texted me in

18:20

pockets shooting so

18:23

, get up by the seat go over to

18:25

his bag kneel down in front of it go through the pockets

18:28

and low the hold there's the palm pilot pilot

18:32

also a data card and a floppy disks all

18:34

that has data sounds good i good i

18:37

devices ran down three

18:40

flights of steps for a tech

18:42

team had been set up and had been waiting for

18:44

me to get this right ended

18:47

up the devices they , it up to

18:49

their computer systems spend their software

18:52

software said yes the data card and

18:54

the palm pilot are pilot message

18:57

me crack it is said eventually but we're not

18:59

going to try to crack it's our on a time crunch

19:01

we're going to copy it all encrypted wonder

19:03

one to clone one thing clone creggan

19:05

layer and i said creggan would

19:07

get going and as good

19:09

doing that as i'm now out

19:11

in the hall because i got too much nervous

19:14

energy and i'm got them they threw me out

19:16

i get another page and it's

19:18

as out of pocket

19:21

they knocked on the door gently

19:24

and i said a thursday i must and

19:26

need those devices this is now

19:28

we're almost done reno couple more minutes

19:30

i said

19:35

even his way back he's

19:38

armed armed know i

19:40

don't get that's a fact before he gets

19:42

there you know shoot me

19:46

and they said it's not that bad hold on

19:48

we've got a couple more minutes i'm very

19:51

stressed out this point they've finished tate

19:53

hands me the palm

19:55

pilot the floppy disk and that sanders

19:57

data card and says run

20:04

the reply to fly

20:06

, the steps get to ninety get

20:08

to go through that first big vault

20:10

door slam up behind me run

20:12

into his office the

20:15

down in front of the bag and realized

20:17

that i've got three devices in my hands therefore

20:20

pockets on the bag they're all completely

20:22

similar and i careful life of me

20:24

remember which device which pulled out

20:26

a which pocket the odds

20:29

are pretty terrible of getting this right on

20:31

a guess and

20:36

as i'm trying to do some stupid thing

20:38

that i probably studied once upon a time and a psychology

20:41

class years of the fourth and

20:43

self hypnotized remember i

20:46

, him coming through that first big

20:48

pot sort which makes illinois

20:51

when you go through the

20:54

i just dropped the three best guess

20:57

see no sign of the cross father's on

20:59

holy spirit zipped up all for pockets random

21:01

i just sat there tries

21:03

, hardest i've ever try to my life

21:06

not to sweat and for the best poker face

21:08

i have ever had and ever will have

21:11

right there on my months

21:15

finally gets through that big door lear

21:18

that me sweeps through

21:20

the main pit area into his office

21:23

slams as door and i hear there

21:27

and i'm thinking to myself damn

21:31

i'm gonna get killed there's

21:33

no way i got this right he's gonna

21:35

come out with his firearm

21:38

he just been shooting and just

21:40

use that last round on me they

21:42

gonna take be open passport that we knew

21:45

he had and

21:47

that the russians had given him and a prior drop an

21:49

open ticket the moscow get

21:51

on a plane and be gone and

21:54

i'd just blown this entire case though

21:56

maybe it's better suits me cause there's no way i'm going

21:58

to be able to face any by the i up to that and

22:02

then i thought for a heartbeat maybe

22:04

i should run go down the hall

22:06

to reach garcia's officers were exposed to go when things

22:09

get bad that would save

22:11

me he was better to be alive in

22:14

in trouble with with the f

22:16

b i than yell slumped over my desk

22:18

with a bullet hole bullet me what

22:21

i thought really hard about suspicion

22:23

and paranoia and i realized that if i'm not here when

22:25

he comes out no matter what in on the

22:27

slim chance i got it right if

22:29

i'm not here he is so wrapped

22:32

up right now he is so concerned he is

22:34

so paranoid if i don't

22:36

talk them into this if i don't make him feel

22:39

safe the my run in the

22:41

case is blown anyway some damned if

22:43

i do enough i'm damned if i don't so i might as

22:45

well do so i stayed the

22:47

comes out of the office he walks right

22:49

to my desk he leans over it to her

22:51

face to face clear

22:54

that mean he says were

22:56

you in my office

23:00

i'm not right back and i'm vanessa yeah

23:04

i was in there i put a memo in your

23:06

inbox didn't you see it and i had

23:09

i had made had memo just for that

23:11

day and put it in his inbox just

23:13

inbox case he asked whether i was in his office he

23:17

looks at me hard the uses

23:19

his jedi mind trick that people in the cia

23:21

love to use that you know and the f b i started losing

23:23

that you use in this kind of spiders by

23:25

business is a hard look that

23:28

is tricky it's it seems to say i

23:30

know everything and just waiting

23:32

for you to tell me and i guess maybe

23:35

then times people bait and

23:37

they just blurt out there secrets i

23:40

wasn't gonna bread i just looked back and i'm

23:42

and then i i gave him kind of a quizzical look

23:44

and then i gave him kind of an annoyed look i

23:46

think that might have sold it because the

23:49

steps back point that mean he says

23:52

i never want you in my office again the

23:55

leaves for the day

24:04

less than a week later he's

24:06

on a bridge and fox don't park in vienna

24:09

virginia he's just

24:11

loaded has dropped to the russians wrapped

24:14

in trash bags and packing tape packing

24:16

retrace his steps through this pretty

24:18

little park fox don't park back

24:21

to whereas silver for tourists is parked

24:23

right on the sidewalk this park

24:25

is park stone's throw from his house so it's in

24:28

his neighborhood he knows it well any

24:32

sets , signal on the fox don't park

24:34

sign that will tell the russian intelligence officer

24:36

the will drive by serendipitously

24:39

later later he's loaded

24:41

the loaded and it's ready for them

24:43

to pick it up goes to his car pulls

24:45

out his keys and to swat fans

24:49

screech to a halt if , agents

24:51

jump out with their firearms pointed at him

24:54

him him to drop his keys raises hands

24:57

he does so he

24:59

looks at them and he says the ,

25:01

are not necessary and

25:04

then and what

25:06

took you so long he's

25:12

arrested for espionage the

25:14

entire time that he walked into that

25:16

part thinking he was completely safe and secure to

25:18

load his final draft i

25:20

b i agents and ghosts for

25:23

, him in camouflage hidden

25:25

or even see recording his every move recording

25:28

him loading and don't drop site which

25:31

caught him red handed him red espionage

25:36

and they knew not only where he would be but the exact

25:38

time and night he would be there because

25:41

, palm pilot is a calendar and when

25:43

we decrypted it we learned the exact

25:45

date of his next drops and exact

25:47

time and location where , make

25:49

that trump

25:53

i was not part of the arrest team in

25:56

fact on the day of hansen's arrest he had no

25:58

idea that i

26:00

had worked undercover to catch him and

26:04

, wasn't told that for very long time

26:06

time fact the be i never told him he probably

26:09

didn't learn that until god

26:12

i did a tv interview a year later

26:16

so i wasn't there when handsome was arrested

26:18

i had gone away for the weekend or really

26:20

needed go away with something that i had planned to do

26:23

that in bethany beach delaware the

26:26

beach house there even though is freezing cold

26:28

it was still fun to be away i wasn't

26:30

sure if handsome was going to be arrested

26:32

on the sunday

26:34

he was arrested which is february eighteen or

26:37

he would be arrested on tuesday because

26:41

there were to arrest plants the

26:43

first was arrest him when he walks out that park

26:46

the second which was the one i advocated

26:49

well let him get away with it led

26:52

him feel that he's

26:54

one and on tuesday

26:56

i set up a meeting

26:59

at quantico with their

27:01

are technology department that

27:03

was going to drive to the middle of a parking lot

27:06

get out at a car with the keys walk

27:08

away and then my idea

27:10

was agents that hansen trusted

27:13

and lights was gonna get into the

27:15

car next to him shake his hand

27:17

and say we know it was you bob

27:20

we know you wanna tell us how you did it and

27:23

i thought maybe we would talk but

27:26

at the appear was and was very upset

27:28

and angry than one of their own had betrayed and

27:31

and for other reasons they arrested him the

27:33

second he walked out apart

27:37

though monday night my

27:39

wife and i were driving back from

27:42

delaware to where we lived in dc the

27:44

had pulled a across the dc line and

27:46

were driving to the apartment on a on a really

27:49

busy road highway

27:52

and i got the call finally my phone rang and

27:54

it was take he said

27:56

i had to talk to it's done and

27:59

i was though katie

28:01

at that point the

28:03

adrenalin that had been just flowing through my veins

28:06

nonstop for all these months finally

28:09

seem to drain away and

28:11

, couldn't drive i had to pullovers i pull over

28:13

and the sizes extremely busy road

28:16

that trucks are passing and that they're and that

28:18

so fast the car shaking enjoy

28:21

on is just what what's happening with

28:23

her going on and i and i stayed i said can

28:26

i tell julian and

28:29

she said just her no one else

28:31

we're still trying to catch the intelligence

28:33

officer we need to keep this very secret and

28:37

i hung up on kate and i turned i looked at juliana

28:39

and i said the something at the tell you and i told her everything

28:43

and i thought this is at this is where the divorce comes

28:45

in i've just told her i'd

28:47

entire story house for months i

28:50

have been lying to her and every way

28:52

possible then i

28:54

was terrified and

28:57

she looked at me and held that luck and he just said

28:59

now i understand and gave

29:01

me a hug you

29:04

know i'll never forget that moment of in that is the person

29:06

that you keep forever

29:10

it is a difficult thing to to

29:13

achieve something so important

29:18

twenty six years old twenty six

29:20

when we arrest and hansen i turned twenty

29:22

seven in march then

29:24

i like to say that i've

29:26

spent the rest of my life and away chasing hansen

29:28

trying to better that find find

29:31

that saying that ah i didn't

29:33

accomplish next that gives

29:36

you that same sort of connection

29:38

to history the future

29:40

to important that

29:43

went back on the street but

29:47

i didn't feel the same sort of rush i did

29:49

when i worked undercover as a ghost anymore

29:52

he couldn't compete with working undercover

29:55

directly with the target and

29:57

, found that man

30:00

im really good at this i

30:02

, have a gift for working undercover undercover

30:05

that's what i want to do if i stand the f b

30:07

f but i also knew that

30:09

if i did that if i went to special agent

30:11

class which it could have done and

30:14

i started working the dangerous

30:17

undercover direct investigations

30:21

marlboro crime or terrorism i

30:24

probably would not be a lucky my wife i

30:26

, stay married married wouldn't be

30:28

fair to her and it wouldn't be fair

30:30

to the marriage and family that we did

30:33

eventually won eventually race

30:37

so i decided to leave the f b i mean everybody

30:39

through me this great big party it was a the of it

30:41

was wonderful and and

30:43

part of that is because when you walk away you walk away

30:46

and that's very hard leaving the up the eyes very difficult

30:48

all those people who work on the

30:50

most sensitive national

30:53

security matters who are your friends suddenly

30:55

aren't you lose contact

30:58

with them because now you're in this position

31:00

of not being able to talk about

31:02

things and it makes it harder and harder and

31:05

you know that going out i

31:08

kept in contact with my partner but

31:10

beyond that there was a whole family that i

31:12

left that was my

31:14

divorce that i got my

31:16

wife so i have

31:18

no regrets

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