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0:30

Drow in the house. I don't really

0:32

care for it that much. Social media.

0:35

Yeah, I don't want to talk to

0:37

people. Well, welcome to our podcast. Right

0:39

on. Yeah. Kendrick is going to perform

0:41

not like I said the Super Bowl.

0:43

Whether you enjoy the art or whether

0:45

you just enjoy some jam and ad

0:47

music. He brought all of it together.

0:50

Do you think Drake would admit that?

0:52

I love biggy man. I just didn't

0:54

see as much of myself and biggy

0:56

as I did. Ugly as ever. Yeah,

0:58

I was always a good-looking guy, man.

1:00

People told me that you were

1:03

not fucking around when you talked

1:05

about the shit that you were

1:07

doing back in the day. Well,

1:09

I don't want to get into...

1:11

You can if you say allegedly.

1:13

Nah, man. For some years now,

1:15

there's been a stalker. I opened

1:17

up my rest of her at

1:20

Trapp City Cafe. She ended up

1:22

working. Get in the kitchen. Oh

1:24

shit. And one time on this

1:26

podcast I think of the verbiage

1:28

I used was I can't

1:31

help but feel

1:33

this like feeling

1:35

of like impending

1:38

doom and then

1:41

you know nothing

1:43

happens. I don't

1:46

really know. Why

1:49

don't I feel

1:52

like droes the meat? of their

1:54

friendship. Because that's something that I

1:56

would do. A flip phone! A

1:59

flip phone! This is crazy! How

2:01

many flip phones do you have,

2:03

bro? What, right off the bat,

2:06

what's the rationale for the flip

2:08

phones? My addiction to... Social media.

2:10

Hell yeah, respect. Dude, so me

2:13

and me and my girl have

2:15

been talking about this. She wants

2:17

me to do the same thing.

2:20

Yeah, so you're not you're not

2:22

on any of the apps. You've

2:25

got you get calls. You get

2:27

text. That's it. That's amazing. You

2:29

know, I did the same thing.

2:32

I just raised the app. I

2:34

just erased the app on my

2:36

phone. I don't do like Twitter,

2:39

Instagram. Here's the problem with that.

2:41

And I draw. Let you will

2:43

talk on it. We'll talk on

2:46

it. I'm an addict, like

2:48

for real. I was a heroin, I'm

2:50

cleaning 15 years from heroin, right? And

2:52

so, so like, you can delete the

2:54

app. I'm a redownlow that shit. Like

2:57

I need to get away from the

2:59

dealers. I need to get away from

3:01

the dealers. Yeah, exactly. So you and

3:03

I, I need the fucking flip phone.

3:05

Yeah. I don't really care for it

3:07

that much. Social media. Yeah, I don't

3:09

want to talk to people. Oh, you

3:11

know, Camo. Well, welcome to our pocket.

3:13

Right on, yeah. I mean, Camo people,

3:16

they really got shit to say. They

3:18

don't know that and they feel this

3:20

rude of you to share with them

3:22

that you ain't really saying shit. You

3:24

know what I'm saying? I hear you,

3:26

your mouth moving and then word coming

3:28

out, but bro, you are adding no

3:30

value to this discussion. And so I'd

3:33

rather man just stay to myself and

3:35

speak to the people that I come

3:37

in proximity with, because then I can

3:39

vet. You remember the time where we

3:41

could actually choose who we wanted to

3:43

talk to. down the street, you know,

3:45

back in the 90s or before social

3:47

media, you could see a person walking

3:50

down the street and you know, they'd

3:52

be talking to their self, oh, fuck

3:54

this shit. And you'd be like, whoa,

3:56

I don't need to be speaking to

3:58

them. I would just choose to walk

4:00

past. I don't have to say anything.

4:02

Now, that person has access to you.

4:04

Whether you want to talk to them

4:07

or not, that's social media. So I

4:09

just don't like the fact that anybody

4:11

could just speak to me, whether I

4:13

choose to speak to them or not.

4:15

Because it's infectious. It's infectious. It's infectious.

4:17

A lot of the shit that's going

4:19

on. And you can block them. But

4:21

then three more are going to pop

4:24

up with the same message. Yeah. And

4:26

what walks hand-to-hand with my addiction? Like,

4:28

I want to talk to everybody when

4:30

I'm high. What are you doing? He's

4:32

like, who are you? So tell me

4:34

about your life. Yeah. I still do

4:36

that shit. I'll still talk to anybody.

4:38

Yeah. But, but. Maybe not

4:41

anybody maybe if they were out screaming

4:43

nasty shit or like trying to divide

4:45

and all that I wouldn't but like

4:47

I said if I see somebody smile

4:50

That's the thing like how can you

4:52

approach somebody with a smile on social

4:54

media? You can't really you know what

4:57

I'm saying? It's it's it's harder to

4:59

pick and choose like you said It's

5:01

also harder to decipher the validity of

5:04

whatever person we're having I'd like to

5:06

be able to really feel that they're

5:08

telling the truth about whatever it is.

5:10

And on social media you just can't

5:13

account for it. You actually must assume

5:15

that they're lying at first. You have

5:17

to. Until you see that there's honesty

5:20

within their claim. I don't think that's

5:22

a filter that most people have. I

5:24

actually think it's the opposite. I think

5:27

there's a headline or something. It's like,

5:29

yeah, yeah, I mean, I'll be honest,

5:31

but the only reason I drink is

5:34

so I could talk to people. Because

5:36

I'm so, I'm so, I feel like

5:38

your tea, I probably pretty jaded at

5:40

this point. Yeah. By like just. The

5:43

success you've had, just the amount of

5:45

people just in your ear, like trying

5:47

to talk to you, get at you,

5:50

you never know their intentions. I certainly

5:52

have had that kind of like inwards.

5:54

I'm shelved off at this point. You

5:57

said you had the kind of who?

5:59

Like an inward, I went inward when

6:01

I got like, I think more successful.

6:04

Like I, I don't know, just so,

6:06

just so many people out there that

6:08

I just don't know, I, you know,

6:10

I don't know if I give a

6:13

fuck about them. You can't. You know,

6:15

I mean, you can't, I mean, I

6:17

give a fuck about people as a

6:20

whole. For sure. Society, you know, I

6:22

give a fuck about humanity, but like

6:24

individually, I can't. I just can't. There's

6:27

too much bullshit out there. There's too

6:29

much bullshit out there. Now once I

6:31

have found a reason to care. Once

6:33

I have been made to acknowledge okay,

6:36

this is what this person is going

6:38

through This is this person's honest experience.

6:40

Okay. Now I can care. Yeah, but

6:43

you know people manipulate You know someone's

6:45

empathy they will manipulate empathy to their

6:47

advantage and it's and everything's Everything's so

6:50

hard to like you said to understand

6:52

like what what's real and fake and

6:54

it used to be back in the

6:57

day you had to Everybody has a

6:59

right to their opinion, right? But now

7:01

everybody feels like You're obligated to care

7:03

about their opinion. Does that make sense?

7:06

Yeah, just like they have a right

7:08

to their opinion, I have a right

7:10

to ignore their opinion. Yeah. You know

7:13

what I'm saying? I cannot give a

7:15

fuck about your opinion. That's my right.

7:17

That's offensive. You know, I mean, hey,

7:20

guess what? And that's your opinion. Yeah.

7:22

We didn't do an intro. Ladies and

7:24

gentlemen, TI and YoungDrow in the house.

7:26

Hot damn, hot Atlanta, kings of Atlanta.

7:29

Dude, what an honor, what an honor.

7:31

We were listening to some of your

7:33

songs today. And, uh. Damn, I'm sorry.

7:36

No, come on. It's so cool. Mike

7:38

played one of them and I was

7:40

like, dude, I think I, I think

7:43

I used that in a, in a

7:45

YouTube video, like a track. Me and

7:47

my brother made like, I. 11 years

7:50

ago man compound interest man you can

7:52

you know you can pay now no

7:54

for sure you didn't have it then

7:56

but now I think we got you

7:59

right send me the invoice all right

8:01

no problem it was live your life

8:03

it was showing right you know we're

8:06

talking about that today because because this

8:08

is like live your life and whatever

8:10

you're like what 2005 2006 no this

8:13

two thousand eight even later I was

8:15

I remember MTV the first time I

8:17

ever saw your face in my life,

8:19

Rubber Band Man music video, and I

8:22

was like, okay, so now I'm being

8:24

introduced to, that might have been my

8:26

introduction to Atlanta trap sound. And obviously,

8:29

like, I was around for, I was

8:31

around for Dupree era, but it wasn't,

8:33

it wasn't the same. Like, it wasn't

8:36

like really that type of feel, right?

8:38

And me and Dylan were talking about

8:40

shoulder lean as well, which is also

8:43

a fucking certified classic. So to have

8:45

both you guys here, it's just, it's

8:47

like a. a full circle, a real

8:49

full circle of moment, which is really.

8:52

It's a honor to be here, bro,

8:54

you know, I mean, I mean, I'm

8:56

honored that you guys, because you could

8:59

have invited anybody here, you know what

9:01

I'm saying? You kind of have, I

9:03

guess you could run the gambit of

9:06

rappers successful, significant, you know, and you

9:08

guys chose to have us here, so

9:10

we appreciate that. I was always told

9:12

by people. outside of the rap world,

9:15

people that I've talked to from Atlanta,

9:17

that you are the actual king of

9:19

Atlanta. like I like well I'm the

9:22

king of the south you know I

9:24

mean I would feel I would say

9:26

Gucci man at the king of Atlanta

9:29

you know okay okay I'm more like

9:31

the king of the overall southern eastern

9:33

region yeah yeah you know and parts

9:36

of the Midwest but mainly the southern

9:38

you think you think Gucci I mean

9:40

you know I think that outside of

9:42

our whole future you know I think

9:45

that Gucci is the is like the

9:47

the eldest statesman that introduce the new

9:49

era. Yeah, you know what I'm saying?

9:52

And I feel like even even Gucci

9:54

kind of you know ushered in some

9:56

of some of future's mixtape and shit.

9:59

Okay. You feel like I think that

10:01

you know Gucci had a hand in

10:03

kind of introducing a lot of acts

10:05

and artists that are still significant right

10:08

now here today. But I feel like

10:10

future is is definitely I think he's

10:12

the quintessential example of what the city's

10:15

sound is right now. It's just crazy

10:17

how many artists have come out of

10:19

Atlanta. Like having watched like the early

10:22

2000, late 90s, early 2000, New York

10:24

sound and then started to swap to

10:26

Atlanta if you had Gucci, you, Geezy,

10:29

which are like crazy, right? Thog. Now

10:31

all the way up to like cardi

10:33

and I want to talk about like

10:35

that stuff a little bit Oh, no,

10:38

I'm leaving. I'm leaving dozens out like

10:40

it's I mean, I mean killer like

10:42

bro it goes on forever. It's like

10:45

I don't even know how you really

10:47

like define You know one king, but

10:49

the thing I was bringing up about

10:52

you was like people told me that

10:54

You were surely not Fucking around when

10:56

you talked about the shit that you

10:58

were doing back in the day. Well,

11:01

I don't want to get into a

11:03

whole lot of it. You can't you

11:05

say allegedly in my opinion crazy, man

11:08

You know what I say? I'll say

11:10

man By the grace of God I've

11:12

survived and and and evolved from you

11:15

know a lot of belligerents that has,

11:17

you know, I've came in contact with

11:19

and I've had to endure and I

11:22

came out to the other side, a

11:24

better person, you know what I'm saying?

11:26

I've learned life lessons, you know, thanks

11:28

to people like Dro and, you know,

11:31

other people that I've had opportunity and

11:33

a blessing to spend time around and

11:35

learn. from and I made it through

11:38

you feel me and on the other

11:40

side of any any kind of tragedy

11:42

or on the other side of any

11:45

kind of turmoil there is like wisdom

11:47

and there is you know just a

11:49

level of intelligence you know I'm saying

11:52

if I if I had never gone

11:54

through that I don't think I could

11:56

sit in the spite that I sitting

11:58

in today. Unfortunately I do think I

12:01

do think I do think I could

12:03

sit in the spite that I sit

12:05

in today. Unfortunately I do think I

12:08

do think I do think I do

12:10

think I do think like trauma yields.

12:12

If you survive it, if you survive

12:15

trauma, it can yield such positive results

12:17

in your life. But obviously when you're

12:19

going through whatever you're going through, it's

12:21

hard to, it's hard to be at

12:24

rock bottom or even just a rut

12:26

and look around and be like, where

12:28

is that light at the end of

12:31

the tunnel? That's tough sometimes. Man, when

12:33

you go through it so much, you

12:35

know, when you've gone through it enough,

12:38

it kind of feels like, it feels

12:40

like home. It feels like home. You

12:42

know what I'm saying? Hey, I feel

12:45

you. It feels like home. That spot

12:47

doesn't scare me anymore. When I'm going

12:49

through the five men, I'm like, man,

12:51

okay, this is a comfortable place. Yeah.

12:54

You know, that's scary. No, but it's

12:56

true and it's and it's funny too

12:58

because then you get into the you

13:01

get into like the comfortable place after

13:03

it. And you're like, this does not

13:05

feel like. When I started, when I,

13:08

you know, got clean, got felonies expunged,

13:10

like became an act, a voter, you

13:12

know, all that shit, every day you're

13:14

just waiting for the other shoot, when

13:17

is this dream gonna end? You know

13:19

what I'm saying? And that's, that's a,

13:21

yeah, you almost do really get used

13:24

to the chaos, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

13:26

that's, I kind of found myself, like

13:28

still waiting for it. bad things to

13:31

happen. For sure. And not knowing that

13:33

I had endured a lot of bad

13:35

things. You know what I'm saying? So

13:38

check us out, I really believe in

13:40

manifesting. a prayer, whatever you want to

13:42

call it, just vocalizing desires and thoughts

13:44

and so. I'm really particular about like

13:47

what I say or try to be.

13:49

And one time on this podcast, I

13:51

like a couple, maybe like five years

13:54

ago, I had the audacity to say,

13:56

because I was really feeling this at

13:58

the time, what we're talking about. I

14:01

said, uh, man, I think of the

14:03

verbiage I used was I can't help

14:05

of feel this like feeling of like

14:07

impending doom. Because I really thought like

14:10

it was all going to come crashing

14:12

down. I even like vocalized it, which

14:14

was like against my intuition. And then,

14:17

y'all, nothing happened. Well, that's what praised

14:19

God. Nothing happened. So, so, so praise

14:21

God. And I'm still like thankful nothing

14:24

happened. And I don't know, but I

14:26

say that I say that because like,

14:28

you know, It's it didn't it did

14:31

happen. It didn't happen. My mind was

14:33

playing tricks on me. That's true. Hey

14:35

look so so I've heard I heard

14:37

something and you know I've taken it

14:40

as truth They say that the devil

14:42

can't hear your thoughts in your head

14:44

only the things that come out your

14:47

mouth Mmm Hmm. Yeah, I mean that's

14:49

power. That's crazy. I try to keep

14:51

all mine inside you know if I

14:54

if I think something negative I won't

14:56

say it you feel me You know,

14:58

I try to just speak positively because

15:00

it's so many, it's so many, it's

15:03

so many, it's enough people like they're

15:05

speaking negative. You know, they don't need

15:07

no help. They got enough people like

15:10

they're speaking negatively talking about impending doom,

15:12

you know what I'm saying? I don't

15:14

need to help them with that. Well,

15:17

I agree with that, that's a good

15:19

one. That's a really strong point for

15:21

a lot of people out there too

15:24

that struggle with their mind, because I'm

15:26

one of those people. the track of

15:28

like racing thoughts and shit like that.

15:30

And I had somebody, I did a

15:33

retreat in Nashville recently, I went there

15:35

for four days and turned my phone

15:37

off, got. locked in with somebody and

15:40

really talked about trauma, talked about shit

15:42

that I've been facing for a long

15:44

time. And we're in this session and

15:47

we're in this group and this lady

15:49

brings up this question for the group.

15:51

What are thoughts? Like when you really

15:53

think about it, like what are they?

15:56

Are they, like truthfully, like I asked

15:58

you because you like to think about

16:00

that more scientific stuff, but what are

16:03

they? Random synapses? Like what's the physical

16:05

manifest, like ration, yeah, just brain activity.

16:07

I think it's past experiences though. Yeah,

16:10

but it's activated, but it's activated by

16:12

way of brain activity, the things that

16:14

trigger your neurons, right, all that neurotransmitter

16:17

transmitters. So, so we had so much

16:19

trouble explaining, explaining, explaining, explaining, explaining, explaining,

16:21

and finally came to that answer. And

16:23

she was like, what they are is

16:26

a good way to think about them

16:28

is just like clouds passing by. And

16:30

you'll look at a cloud, you'll see

16:33

a shape up there, you'll look at

16:35

it for a second, but at the

16:37

end of the day, it's just gonna

16:40

move on. That's right. It's what you

16:42

actually choose to bring forward out of

16:44

your mouth or in actions in your

16:46

world in your life that you need

16:49

to focus on. That's super important because

16:51

people. Man, you get stuck in your

16:53

head for, this is true forever. And

16:56

for some people, this is not a

16:58

pretty place to be. Yeah, I know

17:00

my thoughts, my thoughts wasn't pretty, especially

17:03

fresh out of rehab. I was thinking

17:05

about all the, like, the sex I

17:07

had with women, you know, what type

17:10

of woman and, you know, what it

17:12

was like. And then once I tried

17:14

to clean it out, I started digging

17:16

back up, like, what drugs I used

17:19

to, you know. Get around and talk,

17:21

you know, I mean, so it was

17:23

just different. Then it'll race and I'll

17:26

be like, well, what was drug? What

17:28

was I like on drugs and what

17:30

am I like now? And then, you

17:33

know, and then I just digs back

17:35

into it just flips. So you got

17:37

rid of that. You clean that I'm

17:40

still cleaning it up. I'm talking about

17:42

like about like the six out of

17:44

six you had with do so you

17:46

basically you basically you you renovated your

17:49

spank bank. You totally I swear to

17:51

God one day, one day you're going

17:53

to get a chance, one day you're

17:56

going to get a chance to talk

17:58

about this stuff, seriously, and no jokes

18:00

can come out. Because I see, because

18:03

I seen the Breakfast Club show, bro.

18:05

And I was like, bro, this dude

18:07

just wants to tell this story. To

18:09

be honest, like, to be honest, like,

18:12

I need the gauge, like, you know

18:14

what I mean? Because when I do

18:16

sit with them thoughts, it's hard to

18:19

get out of. my head and because

18:21

I think I have super anxiety you

18:23

know what I mean I just race

18:26

and race and race and then when

18:28

I try to think of better things

18:30

I think of better things and I

18:33

think of things that can make me

18:35

to help me grow whatever but then

18:37

when I have idle time I resort

18:39

back to what I've got to be

18:42

intentional about your thoughts I bet you

18:44

both of you guys are really good

18:46

at that my my mind can can

18:49

go where it wants another thing I

18:51

heard recently I think it was from

18:53

Hubermen or something like that is um

18:56

Too many of us listen to

18:59

our mind as opposed to Kind

19:01

of being the director of what

19:03

our mind is saying I'm good

19:05

at kind of training My mind

19:07

to head in a certain direction

19:09

or training I always say you

19:11

know I tell I tell my

19:13

mind what to do Yeah, you

19:15

got to be the boss here

19:17

now my heart is different you

19:19

feel like I feel like you

19:21

know sometimes my heart can kind

19:23

of move me you know before

19:25

I can I can allow my

19:27

mind to direct it but my

19:29

mind I feel like me and

19:32

my mind we kind of like

19:34

and we have a good a

19:36

good arrangement. And you and you

19:38

have a one of the craziest

19:40

because you're so most of the

19:42

time yeah I mean actually a

19:44

little bit here and there I

19:46

will I will like my mind

19:48

will slip the anxiety you're talking

19:50

about and even like patches of

19:52

depression, like a little bit, which

19:54

is crazy, because like, bro, I

19:56

look around in my life, I'm

19:58

like, I'm not fucking depressed. but

20:00

I in the moment certainly like

20:03

here and there not that many

20:05

times with the past couple years

20:07

I've felt it and I've actually

20:09

gotten a I think it's I

20:11

think it's a net positive because

20:13

I've gotten a different outlook on

20:15

just like mental health and mental

20:17

like illness in general right you

20:19

just you put way more respect

20:21

on it when you understand that

20:23

there's a chemical imbalance in your

20:25

brain and there's like there's nothing

20:27

you can do about it besides

20:29

cope as best as you can

20:31

and stick to a routine that

20:33

helps. For me, like especially if

20:36

there's ever an anxiety or like,

20:38

like I feel that, like, even

20:40

just, even just honestly, just saying

20:42

like depression, it makes me just

20:44

feel fucking weird because I don't

20:46

want to, you've talked about it,

20:48

not acknowledging that negative thought, I

20:50

don't want to acknowledge it, but

20:52

like. Feeling depressed, not not depression,

20:54

feeling depressed. Well, it's like it's

20:56

certainly like a patch sometimes here

20:58

and here and there. And you

21:00

know, you know what it's always

21:02

fucking related to, bro, when I'm

21:04

coming off of weed and alcohol.

21:07

Yes, that's exactly what I was

21:09

trying to say, like when I'm

21:11

coming off of weed and alcohol.

21:13

Yes, that's like, that's exactly what

21:15

I was trying to say. a

21:17

lot of my, a lot of

21:19

that stuff came from when I

21:21

got shot also. It can't, like,

21:23

I could be sitting in this

21:25

room and somebody can be in

21:27

the back of me, I'm like,

21:29

somebody about to hit me in

21:31

the head with a fucking man.

21:33

You know what I'm saying? Like,

21:35

yeah, I guess it's trauma from

21:38

me, from that and then drugs

21:40

and then, you know, and the

21:42

things that I was good at,

21:44

I was good at getting high.

21:46

So I was so familiar with

21:48

it for so familiar with it

21:50

for so long. to when I

21:52

get through racing, it goes back

21:54

to, oh, you know what you're

21:56

good at, right? Yeah, exactly. You

21:58

know what I'm saying? I can

22:00

relate to that because like what

22:02

always, historically has helped me like

22:04

get through these things is like,

22:06

I know what like baseline version

22:08

of me is. and I am

22:11

astutely aware that my mind is

22:13

playing tricks on me. That's it.

22:15

That's all it is. Like my

22:17

mind's playing tricks on me. Like

22:19

while I'm having these thoughts, passing

22:21

clouds. This, this. See, not everybody

22:23

has that baseline, which is the

22:25

thing, because I was gonna ask

22:27

you, Joe, is like, when I

22:29

think back, I started using when

22:31

I was really young. I was

22:33

like 15 years old, I started

22:35

using oxes and then switched to

22:37

dope and crack and everything. I

22:39

think, and now I deal a

22:42

lot with anxiety and have and

22:44

depression and all that stuff for

22:46

years now. And I think back

22:48

like, did I have that before?

22:50

Like was that part of the

22:52

reason? I think to the first

22:54

time I used opiates. and how

22:56

calmed everything down and it made

22:58

me feel safe almost in my

23:00

in my in my head in

23:02

my body. So I think I

23:04

had it beforehand too. So that

23:06

baseline that you talk about knowing

23:08

yourself and how powerful you are

23:10

and what and the ability to

23:12

return that a lot of people

23:15

in life unfortunately don't even have

23:17

a good baseline because they didn't

23:19

you know what I'm saying? I

23:21

think just operating within the this

23:23

two shall pass can kind of

23:25

eliminate. the elements of depression because

23:27

I feel like being, at least

23:29

for me, being depressed is really

23:31

sitting in a space where things

23:33

aren't going the way I want

23:35

them to go. You know what

23:37

I mean? Where things aren't happening

23:39

as I wish they would happen.

23:41

And in my life, in my

23:43

experiences, I can in these moments,

23:46

I can say. Man, things ain't

23:48

happening how you wanna happen right

23:50

now, but we've been here before

23:52

on the other side, you know,

23:54

it's gonna be back up again.

23:56

So as long as you can

23:58

sit through this, as long as

24:00

you can get through this patch,

24:02

on the other side of this

24:04

patch, is, you know, the everything

24:06

that you enjoy. So I used

24:08

to think that I used to

24:10

think like, oh, it's because things

24:12

aren't going the way that I

24:14

wanted, but like, sometimes like everything's

24:16

going the way. And for me

24:19

historically, like everything was going fantastic.

24:21

And then it hits and I'm

24:23

like, what the fuck is going

24:25

on? Like this ain't normal. That's

24:27

how I know my mind is

24:29

playing. Could just be like one,

24:31

yeah, one breakdown and thought, you

24:33

know, like the imagination that things

24:35

are so good and they might

24:37

go away or there's one part

24:39

aspect of your life that's, but

24:41

your point is, is the overarching

24:43

most important point of all things

24:45

in life, whether you're depressed, anxious,

24:47

anxious, whatever, this two shall pass.

24:50

It applies to every good thing,

24:52

every bad thing. It is the

24:54

most important thing ever. A pan

24:56

sound like some genius shit. To

24:58

compare it to a one track

25:00

mine person though. Like, oh, this

25:02

is gonna pass. Nothing ever passed.

25:04

I feel that. If you think

25:06

one way, like, you're not. trying

25:08

to, you know, you're not trying

25:10

to conquer the problem. It's almost

25:12

like you waddling it. You know

25:14

what I mean? When you think

25:16

it went up, when a one-track

25:18

person, my person, try to think

25:21

about something, he's waddling in it.

25:23

He's not saying, oh, this is

25:25

going to pass. You know what

25:27

I'm saying? Like, and then he'd

25:29

go back to the drugs, and

25:31

when you was talking about the

25:33

drugs, I was, I had a

25:35

thought about drugs, one, one, like,

25:37

like, like, like, I don't know

25:39

what the fuck I would have

25:41

probably done, but to myself or

25:43

with myself. You feel what I'm

25:45

saying? And it's almost crazy to

25:47

say, but like without drugs, I

25:49

probably would have jumped off a

25:51

fucking building. You know what I'm

25:54

saying? If I didn't have anything

25:56

to pad what I was going

25:58

through, you know what I mean?

26:00

for all the answers and like

26:02

you know you got to believe

26:04

in something greater than yourself you

26:06

know because we're imperfect you feel

26:08

what I'm saying we don't have

26:10

all the answers and and when

26:12

we when we hit certain patches

26:14

me being able to say I

26:16

know God got me you know

26:18

God go always pull me to

26:20

the other side. If I gotta

26:22

depend on myself to pull me

26:25

through the other side. I probably

26:27

don't see how that can happen.

26:29

But that's the problem with society

26:31

now. I think we just kicked

26:33

God out the house. We kicked

26:35

God out the school, we kicked

26:37

out the house. I think it's

26:39

making a resurgence. I think it's

26:41

coming back. Oh, every needs shall

26:43

buy. But I think that when

26:45

people got that. But when you,

26:47

when you kick him out. You

26:49

know, who are you going to

26:51

go to? You know what I

26:53

mean? So, once we get him

26:55

back in there and then get

26:58

people to knowing those famous lines,

27:00

this too shall pass, and you

27:02

know, going and searching for a

27:04

higher level of, you know, this

27:06

is bigger level of, you know,

27:08

this is bigger than me. You

27:10

know, you know, what I'm saying?

27:12

Then you can take your situation

27:14

and say, it's way bigger than

27:16

me just to heal myself. right

27:18

I can do yeah I feel

27:20

like I feel like a lot

27:22

of people maybe are afraid to

27:24

be vocal about what they're going

27:26

through though or or even just

27:29

reach out what is fear yeah

27:31

yeah you know judgment is fear

27:33

of judgment yeah I mean but

27:35

I feel like at the end

27:37

of the day you know fear

27:39

exists in a lack of faith

27:41

you feel me and like you

27:43

say if you keep God out

27:45

then ain't nothing there but you

27:47

know but evil You feel me?

27:49

And fear exists in the lack

27:51

of community too. You know, I

27:53

think like as we continue to

27:55

divide and silo and become more

27:57

this and less this, we feel

27:59

less likely to reach out to

28:02

somebody to be like, yo, I'm

28:04

having a heart. You know what

28:06

I'm saying? Like, dude, having that

28:08

group of friends or even always

28:10

on this show and ever since

28:12

I've been online and I know

28:14

so many other people have done

28:16

it too, I've tried to talk

28:18

about that. type of stuff openly

28:20

to make other people feel like

28:22

it's okay to do the same.

28:24

I'm very you know vocal about

28:26

my addictions about my mental issues

28:28

you know what I'm saying because

28:30

I want other for sure yeah

28:33

for sure for sure. You know

28:35

what most people are afraid to

28:37

do do these things because a

28:39

lot of people make fun of

28:41

people while you know when they

28:43

decide to be vulnerable. Yep. You

28:45

know probably not by even on

28:47

purpose it's just it's a funny

28:49

subject. You know what I'm saying?

28:51

That's a reflection of how people

28:53

feel about themselves. A thousand percent.

28:55

I agree. It's weak people are

28:57

making fun of other people's problems.

28:59

Like, dude, when you go, like

29:01

you brought up social media before

29:04

and like other people's opinions, like...

29:06

When I see somebody clowning somebody

29:08

or trolling somebody on social media,

29:10

I don't even think for a

29:12

second about the person that are

29:14

trolling or clowning or clowning on,

29:16

I'm just looking directly at the

29:18

person who made this thing. Right.

29:20

Yo, you're calling some girl a

29:22

whore, you're calling some girl fat,

29:24

whatever. I'm looking right at you're

29:26

looking right at you, I'm looking

29:28

right at you, I'm looking right

29:30

at you, I'm looking right at

29:32

you're calling some girl fat, I'm

29:34

looking right at you're, you're, you're,

29:37

too ugly, too ugly, too ugly,

29:39

too poor, too poor, too poor,

29:41

too poor, too poor, too poor,

29:43

that we see in the rooms,

29:45

that we see on the trips,

29:47

that we see on the jets,

29:49

on the planes, on the businesses

29:51

doing that. They're not talking like

29:53

that. They're not. The people we're

29:55

around aren't doing it. We don't

29:57

have time. Yeah, yeah. We don't

29:59

care, you know what I'm saying?

30:01

Like, our lives are so full

30:03

with actions and activities. We don't

30:05

have time to focus on what

30:08

the fuck is going on outside

30:10

of this room right now. There's

30:12

been like, I guess, I don't

30:14

really know how to describe it.

30:16

I guess a stalker. I guess

30:18

it would be considered a stalker.

30:20

They present themselves as a girl,

30:22

but I don't know if it's

30:24

a girl or a guy or

30:26

what, but they contact. different people

30:28

in my circle and just talk

30:30

to them about me. You know

30:32

what I'm saying? Like they're contacting

30:34

my wife, they're them, her they're

30:36

them, one of my wife friends,

30:38

they're them, my partners in the

30:41

Haha Mafia, some of my comedian

30:43

friends, and they'll just talk to

30:45

them about me as though they

30:47

shouldn't be around me for whatever

30:49

reason. And every time people come

30:51

and say, hey man, in the

30:53

person, you see the person, yeah,

30:55

I know who they, I don't

30:57

know. Like, I don't, like, I'm

30:59

not on social media, so I

31:01

don't know if they hit me

31:03

or not. But when they come

31:05

and they, they, they, like, talk

31:07

to them about me, I'm like,

31:09

man, can you imagine the life

31:12

this person must have? It's been

31:14

years, bro. It's been years. All

31:16

right, it was me. Yeah, that's

31:18

a good friend. Yeah, but I

31:20

mean, just imagine the life that

31:22

person has, bro, like, man, you

31:24

know, that shit must be sad,

31:26

empty, lonely, and I just can't

31:28

imagine. I don't even see the

31:30

words that they say in, because

31:32

this shit be fake, this shit

31:34

be false, that they be saying,

31:36

but... Just think about their life

31:38

all you got to do is

31:40

is first of all hide their

31:43

identity They create some fake identity

31:45

and they present themselves and then

31:47

they they tell lies and Only

31:49

probably to just take their mind

31:51

off off of whatever going on

31:53

in their life. Yeah, that's mental

31:55

health. Yeah, some of them are

31:57

some of them. It's not like

31:59

The same as the people online

32:01

that are trolls and stuff some

32:03

of them. It's like you got

32:05

schizophrenia You got poor bipolar disorder

32:07

and stuff like because we've we've

32:09

had I mean dude I I've

32:11

never talked about it before but

32:13

I've one that was like Popping

32:16

over the fence at like you

32:18

know Yeah, yeah, and like would

32:20

come and just sit a couple

32:22

fence Oh, that's crazy. The last

32:24

one on that. At first it

32:26

was cool. Yeah, no, shut up,

32:28

said it was my key. Hold

32:30

on, was it? No, no, no,

32:32

I never saw this person. And

32:34

now mind you, so I guess,

32:36

you know. I don't, like I

32:38

don't really call the police and

32:40

stuff like that on people like,

32:42

you know, I just, I just

32:44

leave and I ain't dealing with

32:47

it. You know, I think my

32:49

mom, like she started going to

32:51

my mama house, my mama called

32:53

the police on it. And so

32:55

I don't know if she got

32:57

me ended up having some time

32:59

to, so long story short, I

33:01

opened up my restaurant trap city

33:03

cafe. She showed up at trap

33:05

a trap city. Yeah. Oh shit,

33:07

she just walking past me. Hi.

33:09

Oh, yo, this is not cool.

33:11

Oh damn, she's hoping number two

33:13

could be with you. Yeah, I'm

33:15

telling you, but I mean, but

33:17

you know, so I have things

33:20

like that and other stuff like

33:22

that that I've endured and experience

33:24

and that's in absence of, that's

33:26

absent the presence of God because

33:28

to God should be the glory.

33:30

I'm not an idol, that makes

33:32

me uncomfortable uncomfortable. you know what

33:34

I'm saying for somebody to look

33:36

at me and hold me in

33:38

that much of a high regard

33:40

that makes me uncomfortable because she

33:42

wants to have a baby by

33:44

the king no I can't do

33:46

it but the thing is like

33:48

you know when you have these

33:51

so have these type of people

33:53

it was also a guy to

33:55

jump my jump my gate a

33:57

while ago. Yeah, dude, we got

33:59

a lot of gatehoppers. Shouldn't do

34:01

it. I mean, I mean, man,

34:03

throwing stones at her daughters wouldn't,

34:05

come on. Yeah, I don't know,

34:07

like, I stone at my daughter's

34:09

window at my house. Don't even,

34:11

don't even, don't even, don't even,

34:13

don't even, don't even, don't even,

34:15

don't you even need to say

34:17

it? And she's. She's the only

34:19

person in the world who can

34:21

ground me in this present moment

34:24

in a way that no one

34:26

else can act like nothing else

34:28

matters except my connection with my

34:30

daughter because she she knows she.

34:32

The good thing is man now

34:34

I got I got sons that

34:36

can do it I don't have

34:38

to do it. My son's man

34:40

the oldest is 24. No 20

34:42

he'll be he turned 25 February

34:44

2nd the second oldest is 23.

34:46

My next is 20, then my

34:48

youngest son is 16. Yeah, protective

34:50

sisters. Yeah, my youngest daughter, she's

34:52

eight. Yeah, I don't even, I

34:55

don't even know how much protection

34:57

I'll need to be doing because,

34:59

you know, my daughter's uncle is

35:01

Jake Paul. And I think he's,

35:03

I think he's probably what people.

35:05

really should be worried about in

35:07

the future. Wait, which one of,

35:09

which one's king? He's, king is

35:11

my 20 year old. He just

35:13

turned 20. All right, so I

35:15

see him on social media and

35:17

I hear him, I had heard

35:19

about it a lot and then

35:21

it seems like now I haven't.

35:23

which I think is a good

35:26

thing. Is that what what? Yeah,

35:28

I mean, to be honest with

35:30

you, you know, King is, um,

35:32

just like he was. I have

35:34

to say this because I see,

35:36

like, what I can, what I

35:38

see, what I see, and what

35:40

you guys see are two different

35:42

things, because I was around when

35:44

he was that age and younger.

35:46

So I could see things that

35:48

he probably don't even see, because

35:50

I'm around him without his dad

35:52

around, and I'm like. or you

35:54

just move just like it pops.

35:56

But at the same time, he

35:59

got his brain. Like everybody, everybody

36:01

at certain points in their life,

36:03

you know, went through moments of

36:05

indiscretion. Specialists, teenagers, early 20s, all

36:07

of us did. The only. difference

36:09

in us and King is we

36:11

weren't on camera every moment and

36:13

it wasn't it wasn't documented and

36:15

you know and posted to be

36:17

you know brought up and put

36:19

in our faces every step of

36:21

the way. I feel like you

36:23

know he's he's beginning to learn

36:25

and now he's beginning to see

36:27

for himself that a lot of

36:30

the things that you know Older

36:32

people or had been advising him

36:34

of he's seeing kind of for

36:36

his for his self. Oh, okay.

36:38

I see how that happened and

36:40

And he's you know, he's he's

36:42

becoming More mature. He just had

36:44

a son himself. Yep. So he's

36:46

becoming more mature and wiser and

36:48

more selective about how he how

36:50

he shares himself with the world

36:52

and in and in a weird

36:54

way to like He

36:56

almost went through the attention era,

36:58

right? Grew a social media following,

37:01

which in a similar vein is

37:03

kind of what him and his

37:05

brother did. They pissed a lot

37:07

of people off. They created a

37:09

ton of controversy, walked out of

37:11

it on the other side with

37:13

a million, you know, millions of

37:15

hours. He's got, I don't know,

37:17

probably close to a million on

37:20

Instagram now, right? I think he

37:22

lost the page. He had to

37:24

start over it. But regardless, like,

37:26

like, now... you know if you

37:28

survive that time like in the

37:30

public eye like survive the sentiment

37:32

you can come out on the

37:34

other side start making better decisions

37:36

and then corral that audience in

37:39

a positive way which is growing

37:41

up together yeah yeah because at

37:43

first you have the audience that's

37:45

following you because they support the

37:47

the the mayhem You know what

37:49

I'm saying? Because they're in a

37:51

period of mayhem themselves. And then

37:53

you have the people who look

37:55

down and shun the mayhem, because

37:58

they either have never been courageous

38:00

enough to exist within the mayhem,

38:02

they've been afraid of it, or

38:04

they've... evolved out of it and

38:06

they know what's on the other

38:08

side and don't like it for

38:10

you. So as you grow up

38:12

the the younger crowd that is

38:14

supporting you for mayhem eventually they're

38:17

going to grow out of it

38:19

as well and they'll grow either

38:21

by your example or you will

38:23

just both grow out of it

38:25

you know just subsequently together and

38:27

the older people will begin to

38:29

be proud of you you know

38:31

what I'm saying so it's gonna

38:33

grow it's good the it will

38:36

expand and people will follow you

38:38

and support you for different reasons.

38:40

Like as he's young people like,

38:42

yo, I'm supporting him because I

38:44

want to see him get it

38:46

right. I want to offer him

38:48

some advice to get it right.

38:50

And as he, you know, evolves

38:52

beyond it, it's like, man, I

38:55

knew he could do it. And

38:57

now I'm going to support him

38:59

because, you know, he's gotten it

39:01

right. But as a father, it's

39:03

just, to me, it's a blessing

39:05

and an an honor. to be

39:07

a part of a journey that

39:09

I can see from beginning and

39:12

transition and even on the other

39:14

side. I haven't made it to

39:16

the other side, yeah. But I

39:18

can see it. I can see

39:20

the light at the end of

39:22

the tone. I think like the

39:24

whole time, like everybody was watching

39:26

it through the lens of, because

39:28

I remember when a lot of

39:31

it was going down and it

39:33

was, you know, there were so

39:35

many different storylines and like, was

39:37

he trying to be like pops,

39:39

was he... Was he, you know,

39:41

trying to do, like, what was

39:43

he trying to do exactly, but

39:45

everybody was always focused on, like,

39:47

what is TI think of this?

39:50

You know what I'm saying? Like,

39:52

what is his response to this

39:54

shit? And, like, was there ever

39:56

any moments where, like, you just...

39:58

Yes, there were several moments. I

40:00

think, but, okay. All right, so

40:02

what I had to acknowledge and

40:04

hold myself accountable for was the

40:06

person that I am now. Giving

40:09

him the advice that I'm giving

40:11

him today is not the person

40:13

that I've always been You know,

40:15

like, there were moments in time

40:17

where he has seen me respond

40:19

instinctively in certain environments that may,

40:21

you know, may have stuck with

40:23

him even more than my advice

40:25

would. You see what I'm saying?

40:28

So he saw how I handled

40:30

certain situations and... the thought or

40:32

memory of that is stronger than

40:34

the words that come through my

40:36

advice. Do as I say, not

40:38

as I do. Yeah, but that's

40:40

what we would like to, that

40:42

we would like to think that

40:44

they would do as we say

40:47

and not to do. Yeah, but

40:49

my, my, a mentor of my

40:51

OJ Prince man. Yeah. He told

40:53

me, he said, there'll be more

40:55

cult than there will be talk.

40:57

You know what I'm saying? So

40:59

the things he catch, so now

41:01

as he spend time around me,

41:03

I'm more conscious about, you know,

41:06

my actions and decisions. And hopefully

41:08

as we get into the next

41:10

five years, the memories of how

41:12

I've conducted myself and how I've

41:14

handled myself in this part of

41:16

my life will begin to reflect

41:18

in his actions. Such, this is,

41:20

I was gonna say, this is

41:22

a really interesting conversation, because like,

41:25

again, new dad, I'm looking at

41:27

parenting now and trying to, trying

41:29

to figure out how I can

41:31

raise, like grounded, well mannered children,

41:33

given, like, I live a very

41:35

blessed life, and I worked really

41:37

hard to get here, but I

41:39

also did a lot of crazy

41:41

fucking shit to get here, and

41:44

by the way, it's all on

41:46

camera. So, like, you know, if

41:48

I'm, my daughter and my son

41:50

and I'm like like this is

41:52

what I've learned this is my

41:54

experience like I trust me I

41:56

touched the stove not only will

41:58

they hear stories about me they

42:00

can see all of them. Right.

42:03

See all of them. And yours

42:05

as well? Like man, you fucking,

42:07

yeah, it's all online. So how

42:09

could King not see what his

42:11

dad is doing and want to

42:13

emulate that a little bit? Well,

42:15

you know, luckily for me, a

42:17

lot of the shit that I

42:19

did, that was the craziest. Some

42:22

of my best shit will go

42:24

unnoticed because, you know, you know,

42:26

I'm saying, but I think that...

42:28

One thing I know that my

42:30

children have seen in me is

42:32

how I treat others. You feel

42:34

me? Like how I treat others,

42:36

I try my best, you know,

42:38

to lead with treating people how

42:41

I want to be treated. You

42:43

know, I mean, I think it's

42:45

a good thing that you have

42:47

who you used to be and

42:49

who you are now, who you

42:51

inspired to be. Like, that's, I

42:53

have a nine-year-old son. He's a

42:55

big fan of you. by the

42:57

way, his name is DJ. DJ,

43:00

what's up buddy? I, um, you

43:02

just have a Joe Junior, so,

43:04

uh, so the drugs and the

43:06

women, all the stuff that everybody

43:08

knows that caught wind of, you

43:10

know, social media, you know what

43:12

I mean? If he's gonna see

43:14

that, but once he see what

43:16

I transformed into and what I,

43:19

what I, what I did for

43:21

him, you feel what I'm saying,

43:23

he's gonna be able to say,

43:25

oh. He changed you know what

43:27

I mean, so if you ever

43:29

so if you ever But if

43:31

you ever get to that point

43:33

that here's your inspiration Right, you

43:35

feel what I'm saying? You're not

43:38

just lost I don't know what

43:40

to do. I see I have

43:42

it in me to turn this

43:44

around Yeah, life is a series

43:46

of adjustment Yeah, I'll always pray

43:48

for that though. I always pray

43:50

that if you God just don't

43:52

I know my truly gonna gonna

43:54

get into things. Just don't let

43:57

them get into something that they

43:59

can't Change yeah, yeah, yeah, which

44:01

which can happen which can happen?

44:03

Well, yeah, and it's like it's

44:05

like you talked about like earlier

44:07

that that return to your instinctual

44:09

nature. And I remember that video

44:11

of you going to the club

44:13

because they use, because not one

44:16

of them, because there's been a

44:18

couple, but when you went to

44:20

the club because they used your

44:22

face and King's face, and that's

44:24

when I really knew too, I

44:26

was like, damn, this dude really

44:28

still is. who they say is

44:30

in Atlanta, because they used, I

44:32

don't know if you saw this,

44:35

but they used him and King's

44:37

face on a flyer to try

44:39

to promote the party and he

44:41

went there and just basically said,

44:43

yo, like, this party's not happening

44:45

and like, they had to listen

44:47

to him type shit, you know

44:49

what I'm saying? I mean, bro,

44:51

I just, a man, again, I

44:54

treat people how I want to

44:56

be treated, and I wouldn't try

44:58

to benefit off of nobody else's,

45:00

especially a family moment, you know,

45:02

you know, because... that what they're

45:04

doing was something went viral. Let's

45:06

just say me and King had

45:08

a Harris family counseling session. You

45:10

know what I'm saying? That just

45:13

happened to be public, happened to

45:15

be made public, and it was

45:17

a big deal at the time.

45:19

And that week, while it was

45:21

a big deal, somebody was trying

45:23

to, you know, they were trying

45:25

to profit off of that, you

45:27

know, that virality. I wouldn't do

45:29

that then about it. So I

45:32

don't know nobody doing it to

45:34

me. And so I'm gonna, I'm

45:36

gonna, I'm gonna push my line.

45:38

You know what I mean? You

45:40

just, but you don't, you don't

45:42

have like, you know, Markowitz and

45:44

Johnson law firm make a phone

45:46

call. Like you're just, you get

45:48

a call, someone says, yo, this

45:51

is happening in, in, in, in,

45:53

in bucket, whatever, right? And you're

45:55

just the attention it deserves. Yeah,

45:57

you violate a man's family. I

45:59

feel like that's the attention it

46:01

deserves. I don't, but at the

46:03

same time, even when I went,

46:05

you know what I'm saying, I

46:08

spoke to people, I used my

46:10

words, I didn't necessarily do as

46:12

much as, you know, my instinct.

46:14

would have traditionally led me to

46:16

do. I think that was kind.

46:18

You know, me and Connie is

46:20

like, I'm not going to let

46:22

you run over me, but I

46:24

get what you did, but I

46:27

get what you did, but... Yeah,

46:29

I bound. Yeah, that's about it.

46:31

Try that again and bow. You

46:33

know, it could go. There's another

46:35

way it could go. And another

46:37

thing, I also, the reason that

46:39

the first part of both of

46:41

our lives, or should I say

46:43

all of our lives, the first

46:46

part, the reason why that's so

46:48

valuable because... People will never appreciate

46:50

your peace until they see how

46:52

much hair you can raise. Yeah,

46:54

I mean. If you had been

46:56

peaceful all your life, you know,

46:58

it's like, and? You know what

47:00

I'm saying? And the mother can

47:02

see that you could raise hell.

47:05

You're like, hey, leave him alone.

47:07

Let him stay cool. You know

47:09

what I'm saying? So it's, you

47:11

know, there's value in, you know,

47:13

the misspent years of our youth.

47:15

That's funny. I can relate to

47:17

that, even with like my girlfriend

47:19

right now too, like, she knows.

47:21

the hellish person I was with

47:24

girls prior to her like when

47:26

I'm when I'm not in a

47:28

relationship like I am who I

47:30

am but when I'm so now

47:32

she gives me a shit ton

47:34

of credit because she sees how

47:36

I act now that I'm with

47:38

her you know what I'm saying

47:40

that's a really that's a really

47:43

good point yeah she's she knows

47:45

how how big of a pivot

47:47

that was for me to be

47:49

in a committed relationship we have

47:51

not talked about hip hop hop

47:53

barely Did you always want to

47:55

be a rapper? Talk to me

47:57

about the early inspirations. Who? Oh

47:59

wait. Early inspirations. Tupac. OK. It's

48:02

a both. L-A-O. Dr. I-D-I-Q-N-W-A-Shnoop. Oh

48:04

shit. You know what I just

48:06

realized? What's up? Not one New

48:08

York rapper on that whole place.

48:10

I was always a good-looking guy

48:12

man. Yeah, but now I've had

48:14

a I've had tons of inspiration

48:16

man And yes, I've always since

48:18

I was man three not three

48:21

years old in the third grade

48:23

though I would start writing reps

48:25

and just that's what I always

48:27

wanted to be when somebody said

48:29

what I want to be when

48:31

I grew up That was the

48:33

first answer that I had My

48:35

action sometimes suggested otherwise His objection

48:37

is valid because when I met

48:40

Dro, I did not see, I

48:42

had a note, and you know

48:44

how people look at Atlanta is

48:46

this, it's like this, this upper

48:48

center for success and music and

48:50

entertainment. I've born and raised here,

48:52

I never met nobody. I never

48:54

met nobody as a kid, man.

48:56

I never met JD. Well, you

48:59

know what? I ran into too

49:01

short, because I used to see

49:03

a dope next to that barber

49:05

shop where he got a hair

49:07

cut. Same thing for big guilt

49:09

and good enough. But other than

49:11

that, I never really met anybody

49:13

that I felt like I could

49:15

be introduced to an opportunity through.

49:18

But also on the flip side

49:20

of that point, as soon as

49:22

I met. someone who offered me

49:24

an opportunity to do what I

49:26

love for a living. I let

49:28

the bullshit go and never really

49:30

went back. But at that time

49:32

Atlanta and the South were just

49:34

kind of coming into the... into

49:37

the throne, right? Like, we're talking

49:39

2001, 2002? Nah, that'll have been

49:41

cracking since 92, 93. Sorry, okay.

49:43

That's not what I'm, Chris Cross.

49:45

Yeah, facts, Chris Cross. Chris Cross,

49:47

Chris Cross. Chris Cross, Chris Cross.

49:49

Chris Cross, Jack and C. That's

49:51

what, Chris Smith, my best friend

49:53

in school, so I was really

49:56

connected to. I don't mean, I

49:58

don't mean, I shouldn't have said

50:00

coming into their own, I mean,

50:02

taking over the hip pop. Like,

50:04

because if you think about it,

50:06

New York still had it till

50:08

the end of the 90s, right?

50:10

Yeah. And West Coast had it,

50:12

but Atlanta really become what it

50:15

is and what it means to

50:17

hip-hop. Outcasts. Yeah, I'm still saying

50:19

outcasts. For us, I was saying

50:21

outcasts. Outcasts really open that. Open

50:23

that. Open that. I can't speak

50:25

for what Atlanta meant to everybody

50:27

else. Oh, got it. Got it.

50:29

Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. You

50:31

know. You know, we felt like

50:34

we felt like we felt like

50:36

we made it like we made

50:38

it like we made it like

50:40

we made it like we made

50:42

it like we made it like

50:44

we made it. We made it.

50:46

We made it like we made

50:48

it. We made it. We made

50:50

it. We made it. We made

50:53

it. When Outcast and Goody Mob

50:55

and, you know, TLC, like when

50:57

the face was here, you feel

50:59

me? What's so, so deaf was,

51:01

you know what I mean? You,

51:03

they throw in events and, you

51:05

know, you can go, you might

51:07

see. You might see low on

51:09

Greenbrough, or Linnie Kelly, you know

51:12

what I'm saying? You see low

51:14

on Greenbrough, Green Gemma, you might

51:16

see Gip Them at J.J. Real

51:18

Shack. Yeah, that one, it felt

51:20

like. It felt like, I feel,

51:22

I feel connected. Yeah, me too.

51:24

So wait, it sounds like you

51:26

guys have more of a connection

51:28

to that like A.T. All right.

51:31

You have the, you have the.

51:33

We are so we so we

51:35

so we to wrappers. Yeah, you

51:37

feel like now for real? Yeah,

51:39

yeah. We've so we the rapport

51:41

just in passing you know, like

51:43

I guess we yeah, right here

51:45

Like for real and didn't have

51:47

no real conversation It wasn't no

51:50

hey, can you get me a

51:52

record did type shit? It was

51:54

just a conversation in passing and

51:56

he was like, yeah, man. Yeah,

51:58

man. So I said, man, so

52:00

I'm gonna get that half else

52:02

there. And that made us feel

52:04

connected to the culture. But could

52:06

we listen into this sheet? Can

52:09

I ask you a question about

52:11

current hip-hop? Sure. Do you think

52:13

Kendrick is gonna perform not like

52:15

us at the Super Bowl? Indubitably.

52:17

Indubitably. Indubitably. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I mean,

52:19

he's a good song right now.

52:21

Yeah, of course. It's his biggest

52:23

song. I'm not, you know, you

52:25

know, I'm not going. I'm not

52:28

going off of, you know, the

52:30

impact that it had, you know,

52:32

on Drake and his position in

52:34

all of it. I'm totally away

52:36

from that. Just separating, disregarding that

52:38

completely. It's Kendrick's biggest song. Scoreboard,

52:40

like from a number of samples.

52:42

Yeah. One of them. Okay. So

52:44

what I'm saying is it brought

52:47

people who, because you know. I

52:49

love Kendrick and I've always respected

52:51

his work as an artist. I've

52:53

always, you know, but they have

52:55

been tired. He got a little

52:57

deep, got a little too deep.

52:59

You know what I'm saying? I'm

53:01

like, man, I'm gonna have to

53:03

catch the next one. You feel

53:06

me? Yeah. This is one where

53:08

whether you enjoy the art part

53:10

or whether you just enjoy some

53:12

jam and a music. And he

53:14

brought all of it together. Do

53:16

you think Drake would admit that?

53:18

I mean, to be honest with

53:20

you, I ain't really in a

53:23

position to really speak on. I

53:25

feel like Drake has a lot

53:27

of reason to dislike that. I

53:29

think Drake a player, man. It's

53:31

just a lot of people, but

53:33

everybody gets talking, you know, you

53:35

hold back. Here's what Drake shows,

53:37

you know, honestly. Emotions, emotions run

53:39

while. It just depends on how

53:42

in tune or how much control

53:44

he has over those emotions. Yeah,

53:46

I think the situation is uh,

53:48

I mean that that their beef

53:50

is crazy and and then really

53:52

really beef though What do you

53:54

what are you saying? I tend

53:56

to reserve my my right to

53:58

not comment because I don't know

54:01

how it started I don't know

54:03

every all the details that existed

54:05

so I don't think you know

54:07

I speak on the success of

54:09

a song or whether or not

54:11

I think a song would be

54:13

performed but the you know the

54:15

nuances of the entire disagreement I

54:17

don't think I can really speak

54:20

of. I said that, there's a

54:22

lot there. I'm from the street,

54:24

like beef is different. Is it

54:26

really beef? Yeah, well, didn't Drake's

54:28

house, like it, proper Shomette? You

54:30

know, that's like, yeah, to see

54:32

the world, right? Yeah, to T.

54:34

I's point, like, there's other people,

54:36

but I think like, like, you

54:39

know, to the point, like, you

54:41

know. He'd want to battle or

54:43

something, something. If you're Mike, if

54:45

you're Mike Tyson, and you're one

54:47

of the greatest boxes all the

54:49

time, or whoever, whoever you want

54:51

to use, if somebody hits you

54:53

hard, you respect the shot. You'd

54:55

be like, you know, you turn,

54:58

you might look at him and

55:00

say, You know what you got

55:02

me you got that's what I

55:04

would think that depends on where

55:06

they are with the emotions that

55:08

you would like that's you would

55:10

assume but that's logical it depends

55:12

on what Mike is with his

55:14

emotions how much you got his

55:17

emotions and do you want to

55:19

convey that he does nowadays trust

55:21

me yeah Mike's real in tune

55:23

with his emotions nowadays by the

55:25

way of day might get you

55:27

in bit off that's very true

55:29

yeah I mean now I think

55:31

now like for the past couple

55:33

of months straight has had to

55:36

go back and look at what

55:38

the support looked like for the

55:40

record, who's he still friends with,

55:42

you know, and we'll see how

55:44

it will see how it all

55:46

spins out. Yeah, I mean, you

55:48

know, I guess that's the best

55:50

part about being in the audience.

55:52

Yeah, you can just get to

55:55

watch. Yeah, and you've you've collapsed

55:57

with one of the two, right?

55:59

Both of them. Oh, both of

56:01

them. in the honor of being

56:03

introduced to them when they were

56:05

just stepping into the game. You

56:07

feel me? And I've had

56:10

the opportunity to work with

56:12

them at that moment in

56:14

their careers. You feel me?

56:17

I worked with, I met Drake,

56:19

you know, when he was probably

56:22

right, was it probably

56:24

right before he dropped,

56:26

best I ever had You

56:29

know what I'm saying? Yeah,

56:31

so, and I've had the

56:33

pleasure and the honor of,

56:36

you know, watching him evolve

56:38

into the legend, the legendary

56:40

artist that he is today.

56:43

And same for Kendrick. I

56:45

met Kendrick when I was

56:47

jay getting out of prison.

56:50

I think this is like,

56:52

this is before. good kid, man

56:54

city. This is like mixed section.

56:57

What was it called? Maybe section?

56:59

Yeah, yeah. You know, right in

57:01

there. And him, top, a few

57:04

of the cats from a top

57:06

dog. They came through, I think

57:08

they had like a tour that

57:11

they was on. They was out

57:13

here promoting and working their, working

57:15

their shit. And they came, they

57:18

came to Tree Sound, which is

57:20

where I was recording. He sat

57:22

me down and let me hear,

57:24

you know, a few songs from

57:26

Good Kid, Man City. And I

57:28

knew then, I was like, oh,

57:31

this, oh, youngster, he, he valid.

57:33

He's very valid. I think, I

57:35

think, I think, I think, both

57:37

for, I think, both for, I

57:39

think that's still is, I think,

57:41

that's still is, you know, I

57:43

think that's still is, I've never

57:45

had the pleasure of working, of working

57:48

with, now one of those guys, but I

57:50

have heard, Kendrick give me a nod in

57:52

one of his songs. You know what I

57:54

mean? So I just want to say this.

57:56

You don't have to shout me out. We

57:58

can actually do new. I'm getting a

58:00

few of these. I got a, I

58:03

got a, I got a, well we

58:05

got, we have eight minutes, right? What's

58:07

all? You could, because we still got

58:09

to get the thumbnail, it's not

58:12

that work, but you could, yeah, we

58:14

saw that now. Yeah, what is it

58:16

guys? Okay, yeah, it's called Thank

58:18

God, man, it's me, me, me,

58:21

Dro, Sandy Service, and Kurt Franklin.

58:23

Amazing. Yeah, you know, it's that,

58:25

is that the way of your

58:27

honor, you're on right now? I

58:29

mean, yeah, for this, yeah, this

58:32

part of my, this part of

58:34

my, for this song. I don't,

58:36

I'm not, you know, I'm not

58:38

like, you know, transitioning over

58:40

into gospel music. But this

58:42

song was, it spoke to

58:44

me and it came together

58:46

by the grace of God

58:48

and I felt that it

58:50

was, it was powerful enough

58:53

for me to give the attention

58:55

to time and the talent.

58:57

to it that would get it to where

58:59

it is and give it a fair shot.

59:02

And Dro is his testimony alone now. I

59:04

feel like it's something that the rest of

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the world you need to hear. It was

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a chance for me to actually get out

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like my overdose, you know what I mean?

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And to be able to talk about it

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and bring light to it and you know

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be a... Beacon of light or hope for

59:19

other people that's going through the same

59:21

thing. Man, that's so cool. When art

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can be like that medium for people.

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Right. Yeah, that's so cool. That's when

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you use, you know, I think for

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the purpose that it was met. to

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be yeah for sure we could we

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could do this all day guys i

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want to say like i i i

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really appreciate the conversation yeah this is

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this is cool this so like a

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bit of a different different podcast yeah

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thank you for sharing guys thank you

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thank you for sharing guys thank

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you for turning you know for

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turning your life around i mean

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the success is great we're just

59:57

finding spirit animal over there. in

1:00:00

peace, finding peace in the midst

1:00:02

of the chaos and being able

1:00:04

to overcome addiction and you know

1:00:06

all of the bullshit that life

1:00:08

through at you. I mean that's

1:00:10

solid. He should be dead by

1:00:12

now, dude. He just turned 40

1:00:14

and like, you look good, brother.

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Yeah, he looks good too. A

1:00:19

lot of moisturizer. Yeah. And congratulations

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man to you, man, for you

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know what I'm saying? I guess

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getting people to take you seriously

1:00:27

as a fighter. Well. Well. Well.

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The people who pay, you

1:00:32

know, I think, uh, when

1:00:34

you fight Javante, I feel

1:00:36

like that when you know

1:00:38

people are really nice. When

1:00:40

I'm, you know, I think,

1:00:42

uh, when you fight Javante,

1:00:44

I feel like that one,

1:00:46

you know, people are really

1:00:49

nice when I'm, no, no,

1:00:51

no, no, no, it's not.

1:00:53

Javante is, bro, bro, size,

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size, matters, like, he, I

1:00:57

would fucking kill Jervante, he's... Oh, damn.

1:01:00

There we go. Oh, damn. Sorry,

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Jervante, you're a great fighter, right?

1:01:04

Stay in your lane, and wait

1:01:06

class. TI and Young Joe, let

1:01:08

his... Who do you want to

1:01:10

fight next? Who do you want

1:01:12

to fight next? Who do you

1:01:14

want to fight next? Who do

1:01:16

you want to? I'd love to

1:01:18

fight McGregor, but he's owned. What's

1:01:20

the weight class, as far as

1:01:22

like... by numbers. I think it

1:01:24

goes, I think in boxing 205

1:01:26

is cruiser weight and then I think

1:01:28

I think it's 185. Okay. There's a

1:01:31

big, there's a pretty significant difference. So

1:01:33

you need somebody to be from

1:01:35

185. You can make it up,

1:01:37

you can make up weight classes

1:01:39

in these like exhibition type bouts.

1:01:41

Like it can be anything. So

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who's your favorite fighter like who

1:01:45

you respect right now? I

1:01:48

mean shit, so I'm a big MMA

1:01:50

fan. Oh good. It's gotta be, it's

1:01:52

gotta be Pereira, Alex Pereira. Man, he's

1:01:54

like, there's a point in like, I've

1:01:57

been following USC forever, there's some, there's

1:01:59

a point. in fighters careers where

1:02:01

sometimes they're looking genuinely unbeatable and

1:02:03

he's like he's like at that

1:02:05

level where it's I think he

1:02:08

could become the first three division

1:02:10

champion in history which is fucking

1:02:12

crazy like there's been a couple

1:02:14

like small amount of two division

1:02:17

champions two-way classes That's like a

1:02:19

40 pound different, you're that good

1:02:21

and I think he could do

1:02:23

it. Now I don't know much

1:02:25

about UFC, how does he compare

1:02:28

Jones? That's the, that's that fight,

1:02:30

Pereira v. Jones as a heavyweight

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fight would be insane. Jones is

1:02:34

the go. He's the go. He's

1:02:37

the go. He's the go. He's

1:02:39

the go. He's the go. He's

1:02:41

the go. He's the go. Undeniably

1:02:43

the go. But that fight. I

1:02:46

have no idea. And in boxing,

1:02:48

my favorite in boxing right now

1:02:50

is Bud Crawford. Oh, come on.

1:02:52

Terrence is, yeah, he's so good,

1:02:55

man. Skill-wise, he's unmatched. And intellect,

1:02:57

like he just got a, he

1:02:59

got a boxing intellect, you know,

1:03:01

and he worked, the way he

1:03:04

worked, you could just tell he

1:03:06

grew up. He said his mama

1:03:08

used to send him to go

1:03:10

fight kids You know what I'm

1:03:12

saying? You grew up your mama

1:03:15

sending you to kick ass That's

1:03:17

crazy. That's just a good dude

1:03:19

Yeah, you don't know don't worry

1:03:21

about it We're gonna get your

1:03:24

call off camera. Before we go

1:03:26

guys, can I can have you

1:03:28

just looked down the barrel of

1:03:30

that camera right there? Yeah, the

1:03:33

barrel is crazy. Yeah Wait, did

1:03:35

you say goodbye to everyone in

1:03:37

the show?