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Stephen? That's her brother. I

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This is a fun interview. I

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really loved having them here. Aaron

4:04

is so old. He was open,

4:06

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Inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum was

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not recorded in front of a live

4:33

studio audience. Yeah, so I was in

4:35

LA and we spoke at that point. We

4:37

were going to maybe do this then, right?

4:39

But I was not feeling well and all

4:41

this. But I was staying with my brother

4:43

and he's in Woodland Hills just at the

4:45

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4:47

obviously the fire's been close and we

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were watching everything, but we were fine and

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when I flew home. You know Sean dropped

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me off of the airport when I got

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home I texted him. Thank you so much

4:58

for you know having us great trip all

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this stuff and he said we've been evacuated

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we got evacuated about five hours after you

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it was all good it's all fine but

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scary how quickly that stuff can change and

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how just yeah powerful those fires are it's

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insane it's insane it was just like you know

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and you're getting You've seen friends

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messages and you know my friend Kimmy

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lost her house her in chat and

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you know a lot of people think

5:28

in the palisades it's all you know

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rich people and that's just not

5:32

entirely true and of course

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yeah hard-working family and lost

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everything you know all that was

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left standing was a chimney so pretty

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my brother's friends lost the business

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in the palisades you know they've

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been working on it for a decade I

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was hanging out with Sam Him and his

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wife on his business two days later gone,

5:52

you know, like we were just hanging out

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with him and that's your like dream having

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your own business and like Yeah, yeah, it's

5:58

just devastating you know and

6:00

and the thing that drove me crazy

6:03

is it being very politicized you know

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like I'm there and I'm watching all

6:07

this stuff and it's like all the

6:09

news everything's always politicized I know I

6:12

know it's like everything is always like

6:14

why can't you just be you know

6:16

a good human that's yeah well speaking

6:18

of good humans can't always just provided

6:21

us with some great humans you being

6:23

one of them we do we do

6:25

what we can Michael well Canada seems

6:27

I mean like You've been the best

6:30

of both worlds. You've been here, you've

6:32

been there, you live in Toronto. What

6:34

would you say the big difference in

6:36

terms of just overall feeling of living

6:39

in Canada as opposed to living in

6:41

the United States is? Yeah, that's a

6:43

really, that's really interesting. Yeah, I mean,

6:45

the difference to me is it's easier

6:48

to see when you're sort of backed

6:50

out of it and you're sort of

6:52

looking at like the, maybe political landscapes

6:54

and how things are different, but in

6:57

the. in how people are, I think

6:59

a lot of times, especially in California,

7:01

I spend a lot of time in

7:04

California, to me, I mean, I don't

7:06

see a big difference between the two,

7:08

you know, obviously the, yeah, the bigger

7:10

political elements and how the countries are

7:13

run or maybe a little bit different,

7:15

but you know, I'm not always engaging

7:17

in that, but people when you get

7:19

down to a human level, I feel

7:22

like a lot of the time. There's

7:24

not a big difference. Do people, I

7:26

feel like in Canada, they probably, I

7:28

don't remember people always coming up to

7:31

me and asking me for an autograph

7:33

or pictures during the show or anything.

7:35

Do people come up to you still

7:37

in Canada and say, oh, hey. Sure,

7:40

but it's always, it's always in Canada

7:42

and say, oh, hey. Sure, but it's

7:44

always, it's always, it's always, in Canada

7:46

and say, oh, hey. Sure, but it's,

7:49

it's always, it's always, it's always, it's

7:51

always, it's always, it's always, it's always,

7:53

it's always, it's always, it's always, respectful

7:55

I guess and that. Did you did

7:58

you have a pretty good childhood where

8:00

your parents like always supportive and very

8:02

generous and like you I just saw

8:04

your face it's a little bit like

8:07

yeah like well. Both my parents, wonderful,

8:09

wonderful, wonderful people, super, they were not

8:11

into the arts or anything like that

8:13

at all, but they were very respectful

8:16

and supportive of what we wanted to

8:18

do. I was actually thinking about this

8:20

because I, even though my dad was

8:23

not an actor, I feel like, like,

8:25

in a professional actor, I feel like

8:27

in a lot of ways, I learned

8:29

to act from my dad from my

8:32

dad. My dad was like, started out

8:34

like, say even in his job, he

8:36

started out in the warehouse and worked

8:38

his all the way, all the way

8:41

up to like upper management later on

8:43

in life and people were always like,

8:45

oh, your dad's the funnest, I don't

8:47

know. But true to the matter is

8:50

he was incredibly mentally ill, alcoholic, all

8:52

this stuff. So I saw this, these

8:54

different sides of like, oh, you can

8:56

present yourself in a way that it's

8:59

very different from reality and see what

9:01

what that looks like. So I think

9:03

on some level even as a kid

9:05

watching those things I sort of understood

9:08

human behavior and sort of acting you

9:10

know even not outside of a professional

9:12

element but just in how you can

9:14

present yourself in these different ways and

9:17

people respond to you in different ways.

9:19

So yeah my parents were lovely my

9:21

dad was a lovely man. Oh is

9:23

he not around he's not around anymore?

9:26

He passed away about two about three

9:28

years ago cancer. How hard was that

9:30

for you? Very very obviously difficult to

9:32

see somebody you care so much about

9:35

and you know it's your dad and

9:37

again like I said my dad had

9:39

his issues but he was a he

9:41

was a good guy and then so

9:44

that's just obviously difficult to watch through

9:46

but also like I got kids now

9:48

and knowing that they were never going

9:51

to get to have the relation any

9:53

sort of bigger relationship with him super

9:55

difficult and also. I think a lot

9:57

of people's experiences when their parents pass

10:00

away as any things that you may

10:02

have wanted to. to work out or

10:04

settle, you know, figure out, well, they're

10:06

gone now and there's no, there's no

10:09

going back, there's no fixing those things

10:11

that you may have wanted to or

10:13

saying the things that you wanted to

10:15

or did not a say at time.

10:18

So that stuff gets me a little

10:20

bit, things that I wish I'd said

10:22

to him, conversations I wish we could

10:24

have had, and of course, having him

10:27

watch my kids grow up, you know.

10:29

Yeah, no, it is, it's tragic and,

10:31

you know, you know, say what you

10:33

know, what you know, what you know,

10:36

what you know, what you know, You

10:38

always think you have time. For me,

10:40

I think about that a lot. I'm

10:42

getting older and, you know, my dad's

10:45

74, my mom's 79, she'll be 79.

10:47

And I think, you know, I've said

10:49

everything in so many ways. Yeah. Via

10:51

email, via, I, just conversations, I sort

10:54

of resigned to the fact that you

10:56

can't change people. Absolutely. different personalities than

10:58

I do. I just, sometimes you just

11:00

can't reach people. Sometimes you just can't,

11:03

what's, that's a song, Ryan. Sometimes you

11:05

should write one. Sometimes you just can't

11:07

reach people. But yeah, I felt like,

11:10

I asked myself that it's like, what

11:12

would you say? It's like, it does.

11:14

I can't say anything that's gonna change

11:16

anything. There's no point in it. For

11:19

me, there's no point in it. Maybe

11:21

for you, there was. But I have,

11:23

you know, I've told my parents I

11:25

love them. I've been a good son.

11:28

I'm sure, you know, I have flaws.

11:30

But I hope that when that time

11:32

comes, I don't have regrets of like,

11:34

I could have done this, I should

11:37

have done that. I really feel like

11:39

I'm in a good place with that.

11:41

I think even if you can have

11:43

that conversation and like you're thinking about

11:46

those things then you'll do those things

11:48

and I feel the same way like

11:50

as soon as I knew that my

11:52

dad was was

11:55

ill and wasn't gonna

11:57

make it. I

11:59

mean, you do make

12:01

time to have

12:04

those conversations. But

12:07

for some reason, it's just, I mean,

12:09

it just it's the it's life. It's

12:11

finite, right? There we just never have

12:13

enough time. You can never and I

12:15

also feel like you can never say

12:17

those things too many times like I

12:20

still like occasionally just be like, I

12:22

just want to hang out with my

12:24

dad today. I just want to like,

12:26

like say, you know, have a conversation,

12:28

call him on the phone, you know,

12:30

and it's like, everybody feels like that

12:32

when they miss somebody. But it's hard

12:34

to understand that until you've actually gone

12:36

through it and 100 % that you

12:38

told him you loved him. Of course,

12:40

yeah, we like we argued about a

12:43

million things. But at the end of

12:45

the day, we always were able to

12:47

say that and express that back and

12:49

forth. So, you know, that's that's probably

12:51

thing that matters most, right? Yeah, we

12:53

both know it. We both know it.

12:55

Yeah, that's what I say, you know,

12:57

my grandmother just passed in December, and

12:59

she was like a mom to me.

13:01

And she was she was awesome. And

13:03

but the one thing I know is

13:05

that she knew without a doubt how

13:08

much I loved her. And I knew

13:10

without a doubt how much she loved

13:12

me. And to me, that's the most

13:14

important thing. Yeah, even if you didn't

13:16

say certain things and you didn't, I

13:18

know and she knew. And to me,

13:20

that really makes me feel good. I

13:22

certainly, you know, I look my grandmother

13:24

who passed away 23 years ago, I

13:26

still sometimes want to pick up the

13:28

phone and call her. I still I

13:31

don't think it ever goes away, man.

13:33

I just don't I don't with those

13:35

connections and those people, you just like,

13:37

I can still hear my dad's voice.

13:39

The weirdest thing. And I sort of

13:41

said something to my mom at a

13:43

certain she's moving now. So this may

13:45

change. But my dad's voice is still

13:47

on the answering machine, if you call. And

13:50

that's the only like, so you know,

13:53

so every once in a while, it'll it'll

13:55

she won't pick up or something and

13:57

it'll go and hear my dad's voice. And

13:59

it's always like a very Do you get emotional? A

14:01

little bit, because I always forget.

14:03

So just to hear, you're not expecting

14:05

him to answer the phone. Like that's

14:08

not in my mind, and obviously he's

14:10

not, but it's like his voice is

14:12

there, and it's jarring when that happens,

14:14

but kind of nice too. Like I

14:16

was almost going to tell her, I'm

14:18

like, Mom, you gotta change that. Like

14:20

it's kind of bizarre that he's been

14:22

gone, but at the same time, I'm

14:25

like, who am I'm like, who am

14:27

I just kidding? See all these

14:29

messages right here? It says

14:31

Blanco Blanco Blanco Blanco those

14:34

are all messages from

14:36

my grandmother I have probably 30

14:38

or 40. I am amazing. Happy

14:41

birthday singing happy birthday to

14:43

me. Saying thanks for the

14:45

flowers. I just I don't even know

14:47

what this is You know My god,

14:49

I want to thank you for

14:51

the beautiful beautiful flowers. Nobody can

14:53

have a grandson like you know

14:55

what I mean So I see

14:57

that stuff, I just I feel

14:59

it now, but I'm like, it's

15:02

really a beautiful thing when

15:04

you know how much somebody loved

15:06

you unconditionally. She never wanted

15:08

me to buy her things. She

15:11

knew that I was doing well and

15:13

I was on a show and I

15:15

said, I'm gonna buy I don't need

15:17

anything. All I want is for you

15:19

to be happy for you to find

15:21

someone that loves you. and you love

15:23

them. I don't, I'd say, you need

15:25

a new TV, I'm getting, I don't

15:27

need a TV, you need a new

15:29

bed, it's like a blink and set

15:31

on this, slept in this bed. I

15:33

don't need a new bed, but I

15:35

would just get it for anyone, and

15:37

she'd deal with it, but like, were

15:39

you and Sean both equally as

15:41

close to him? No, we had

15:43

very different relationships. Because,

15:46

you know, even though my dad was a lovely

15:48

guy, there was a lot of tension in the

15:50

house and I think I'm always very similar to

15:52

him. So he and I would butt heads. And

15:54

Sean was what was a peacekeeper and

15:56

still is like our personalities like Sean

15:58

is very much like. like, let's make

16:00

it, you know, let's move it over, let's

16:02

make it, you know, is more that side

16:05

where I'm like happy to argue, happy to

16:07

get into it if I see something I

16:09

don't like or people aren't talking about it

16:11

in some dynamic. I'm like, guys, what the

16:13

hell's going on? Like, you can't just ignore

16:15

this, can't sweep it under the rug. So

16:18

we had very different ways of approaching my

16:20

dad and I think. Sean had the thing

16:22

of like dad is dad he's not going

16:24

to change so I'm just going to completely

16:26

just accept him so if he's if there's

16:28

weird behavior I'm not going to call him

16:30

out I'm just he's just gonna where I

16:33

when I was younger I didn't have that

16:35

ability I was like well hold on a

16:37

sec like if I was acting like this

16:39

or somebody else was acting like this we

16:41

would talk about it but because that you

16:43

know that type of thing so I'm similar

16:46

in many ways but we also our personalities

16:48

are I don't know if it's because we're

16:50

twins and we had to sort of differentiate

16:52

ourselves in certain ways, but we definitely have

16:54

very different personalities. You sort of were the

16:56

one, and that's me, where if someone says

16:58

something I don't like, I address it. Yeah,

17:01

I do not. I go, you know, my

17:03

dad says something, I go, that's not true.

17:05

And he does not like being called out,

17:07

nor does my mother. Well, I'm the like.

17:09

I feel like I have this complex in

17:11

my family that I'm the one who is

17:14

like always getting in shit and everybody's angry

17:16

at whatever because I kind of push the

17:18

envelope because if not people wouldn't talk about

17:20

these things I feel like sometimes these things

17:22

wouldn't get a dress and so I kind

17:24

of feel like I'm the bad guy sometimes

17:26

in the dynamic everybody's like oh here goes

17:29

errand again but I'm like guys like if

17:31

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17:33

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17:35

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19:48

up, was it, was

19:50

there a rival rivalry with

19:52

you and your brother?

19:54

Was there constant outdoing each

19:56

other? Yeah. I mean,

19:58

I think on the surface

20:01

We would say that we got along really well,

20:03

and we did in a lot of ways, love

20:05

each other, like very, very good friends,

20:07

but being twins, everybody wants

20:09

to put you in the same

20:11

box. You're not allowed to be

20:14

individuals. You're the twins, right? Like

20:16

that's what people, hey, hey, twins,

20:18

all the sort of stuff. Find

20:21

when you're really little, but

20:23

as you get a little bit

20:25

older, you wanna have your own

20:27

personality. I think that there was a lot

20:29

of conflict around that, not so much that

20:32

he and I disliked each other in any

20:34

way, but just that conflict of trying

20:36

to define who you are to the

20:38

rest of the world when the rest

20:40

of the world wants to put you

20:42

as a singular being. Two people as

20:45

a singular being. That's literally what people

20:47

want to do with twins. I think

20:49

there was a lot of fighting and

20:51

competition and whatever to just define ourselves

20:53

as individuals. And that's easy to say

20:55

now, you know, at the time I

20:57

wouldn't have known that that was happening.

20:59

It's sort of just in sort of

21:01

looking back to those years. But yeah,

21:03

we definitely we got in a couple

21:05

fist fights and there's like real fist

21:08

fights. Oh yeah, like punch in the face. Yeah,

21:10

I punch Sean real hard. in the

21:12

side of the head, he got all

21:14

bruised up on time. He insulted, was talking

21:16

not very nicely about a girl I

21:18

was dating, and I'd had enough, and

21:20

I punched him in the side of the

21:22

head, and then he tackled me. Was

21:24

it unexpected? I think we were pushing back and

21:27

forth and stuff, like I threw the

21:29

first punch for sure, like I don't

21:31

think it was a cheap shot, but

21:33

we were kind of pushing back and

21:35

forth, but we hadn't really punched

21:37

each other up until that point. How old

21:39

were you? Grade 9 grade

21:41

10 14 was at the beginning of kind

21:44

of the I wanted to use a word

21:46

that probably doesn't isn't real

21:48

Just use it guess I'm gonna

21:50

come up with a word right now Frictitious

21:53

relationship No idea what I mean. Yeah,

21:55

I'm just kidding. I wanted to make

21:57

it up. It's not a word. No

21:59

Was there a lot of friction? I'd

22:01

say when we were younger, there was a,

22:04

we'd fight a little bit and bicker and

22:06

stuff, but yeah, that was sort of, I

22:08

think in high school, that's when I really

22:11

wanted to differentiate myself and define myself. So

22:13

yeah, I think that that's when things sort

22:15

of got a little bit more volatile, I

22:17

don't know if the relationship was volatile, but

22:20

a little bit more. Yeah, we're fighting a

22:22

little bit more in high school for sure

22:24

and our our friends would egg us on

22:27

right? You know like they'd just be like

22:29

they'd say tough for twin Do you hear

22:31

what Sean said he's talking? You know what

22:33

I mean? Like even though that never happened

22:36

and then we'd fight and the guys would

22:38

love that and stuff So yeah, you always

22:40

get egged on so you've had the bigger

22:42

temper out of the both of you Which

22:45

is funny because knowing you and I haven't

22:47

known you that long but on but on

22:49

Smallville and we'll and we'll talk about that

22:52

I was like, this is the nicest guy

22:54

in the world. But you know, you just

22:56

don't, don't, don't fuck with you. Sometimes you

22:58

don't like to get fucked with. Yeah, that's

23:01

it. Like I'm totally cool most of the

23:03

time, but I also like if somebody's doing

23:05

something that I don't like, I have no

23:07

problem. I'll give you an example, something that

23:10

happened this year and I feel like I'm

23:12

like, why am I talking about this? But

23:14

it sort of plays into it. So there's

23:17

a, I work out at a gym close

23:19

to, close by to my house. been there

23:21

for about six years and there's this big

23:23

dude there this big trainer super loud it's

23:26

like a little boutique gym he's always cursing

23:28

and swearing there's a lot of older people

23:30

in the gym 60s 70s and a lot

23:32

of women and stuff this guy's just big

23:35

and loud and brash always swearing dot it

23:37

up but nobody messes with him because he's

23:39

big exactly And he's a trainer there. So

23:42

you're like, okay, whatever. So I've been here

23:44

in this swearing and just being obnoxious for

23:46

a year. And eventually one day I just

23:48

had enough and I said, hey, like, called

23:51

across the gym, it's not a big gym.

23:53

There's a bunch of people there. And I

23:55

was like, hey, man, do you mind like

23:58

just cutting the cursing out? Because it's like,

24:00

I'm here to work out. I'm not here

24:02

to listen to you guys. like talking shit

24:04

and cursing and all this sort of stuff

24:07

and instead of him being sorry brother yeah

24:09

absolutely we keep it down he said oh

24:11

when I'm done here we're gonna have a

24:13

conversation I'm gonna sit you down and have

24:16

a conversation and I so I stood up

24:18

and I walked over said well what are

24:20

we gonna talk about I asked you to

24:23

stop swearing like that's it like that's it

24:25

there's doesn't need to be a conversation and

24:27

he said to me well this is an

24:29

adults only gym so I can say whatever

24:32

I want and then my thing was like

24:34

well that's the stupidest fucking rule I've ever

24:36

heard and he said well you're swearing and

24:38

I'm like well dude you said we can

24:41

say whatever we want and then he proceeded

24:43

to kick me out of the gym like

24:45

canceled my membership all that sort of stuff

24:48

so It's just those things where I'm like,

24:50

and again as I'm being kicked out people

24:52

are like what's that all about like oh

24:54

it's a couple older people and I was

24:57

like oh this trainer's just you know I

24:59

asked him to stop swearing and I kind

25:01

of you know it was a bit of

25:04

a jerk about it but I had enough

25:06

of it and they're like oh that guy

25:08

yeah he's loud about that at all sorts

25:10

of so so it so it just is

25:13

what it sometimes when I see Is that

25:15

Alice Cooper? Is Alice Cooper? Yeah, so that's,

25:17

yeah, I think I heard that was that

25:19

was my soundtrack. So it just things like

25:22

that. Yeah, no, but that's, you're not gonna.

25:24

Of course, I've done, I had the same

25:26

thing with some guy who was way bigger

25:29

than me and he was just really laying

25:31

into me and like being a jerk. And

25:33

I finally said, listen, if you do it

25:35

again, I'm gonna punch you in. I'm gonna

25:38

punch you in the face. So that's and

25:40

I was so upset he got me because

25:42

I wasn't mad at first and he just

25:44

goes all right Take it easy buddy. Look

25:47

at this guy like that, but like he

25:49

he backed off But I was telling him

25:51

I go you do it again. I'm gonna

25:54

punch in the face that that's gonna happen

25:56

right now I was so upset Yeah, well

25:58

sometimes I think that's hell too, you know,

26:00

it's like sometimes people, well, and people

26:03

say that, you know, aggression is bad and

26:05

all this sort of stuff, and I do,

26:07

like, you know, you have to control it,

26:09

but I think there sometimes are legitimate responses

26:11

to other people acting in a

26:14

certain way, and, you know, we

26:16

all have different ways of figuring

26:18

out what that, but I'm like,

26:20

sometimes a little bit of an

26:22

aggression or anger or whatever, is

26:24

the correct response in situations, right?

26:26

Yeah. I know, it's tough. Look,

26:28

you've done so many things. I

26:31

mean, I loved warehouse 13. I

26:33

thought that was dope. Kill Joyce.

26:35

You done Veronica Mars? How is

26:37

Kristen Bell working with?

26:39

Amazing. She really is amazing to

26:41

work. I tested for... that show

26:43

for one of the regulars. And

26:46

so I read with Kristen and

26:48

I sort of met her and

26:50

auditioned with her. And from day

26:52

one, I was like, well, A,

26:54

I was like, this girl's super

26:56

cute. Like, she was just, let

26:58

her energy and stuff too, just

27:00

super cute. Just super cute. Very

27:02

cute. Very cool. And she was

27:04

just so good. She brought something

27:06

to it. I was like, this

27:08

girl's gonna be a star. You know,

27:10

like, I was just like, she's great.

27:12

love interest sort of for Kristen

27:15

the first few episodes and I

27:17

was like absolutely like I am

27:19

there so yeah it was great

27:22

getting a chance to work with

27:24

her and meet her and I

27:26

still remember the first so I

27:28

did the first season of Veronica

27:31

Mars and then the next

27:33

year was when I got

27:35

I booked Smallville so. And I

27:37

think it was also the first year that

27:39

it went from like a WB, the WB

27:41

to CW. I remember going to a big

27:43

party and seeing all the Vrono Camars cast

27:45

there being like, and they're like, what are

27:47

you doing here? And I was like, oh,

27:49

I'm on, I'm on Smallville now. So I

27:52

was just like, we'll be seeing you guys

27:54

around. And Erica was there too. That was

27:56

the first time I met Erica. And yeah.

27:58

So I had such a crush on her.

28:00

ended up marrying her but like

28:02

there was one moment where I

28:04

you know she says that I just

28:07

blew her off and I don't

28:09

remember that I never would have

28:11

blown off Kristen Bell of course

28:14

your friends with Dax yeah and

28:16

then we met she met him

28:18

through me I think they met

28:20

one time before but like at

28:23

the hockey game we were a hockey

28:25

game and she was there and

28:27

Dax she asked me for He

28:29

asked me, she asked me for his

28:31

number or something. Or no, he asked

28:34

me for her number and I gave it

28:36

to him. And that was it. So

28:38

I'm responsible. Did you audition for,

28:41

I think we talked about this, you

28:43

did an audition for Jimmy Elson,

28:45

did you? Yeah, it was like the

28:47

easiest audition process. There was one scene,

28:49

I believe it was one scene, put

28:51

it on tape, did like, you know,

28:54

one or two takes, it was a

28:56

pretty straightforward scene. I got a call.

28:58

Two weeks later being like, hey, hop on a plate of Vancouver, you're

29:00

going to play Jimmy Olson. So it was like the easiest auditioning process.

29:03

You didn't think you were going to get it. In fact, when you

29:05

were going into this audition, what were you thinking? Well, I was like,

29:07

what's the point in me auditioning one of my twin? One of my

29:09

twin brothers, one of my twin brothers, one of my twin

29:11

brothers, who was like, what's the point in me auditioning one

29:13

of my twin brothers, one of my twin brothers, one of

29:15

my twin brothers, one of my twin brothers, my twin brothers,

29:17

one of my twin brothers, my twin brothers, one of my

29:20

twin brothers, one of my twin brothers, one of my twin

29:22

brothers, twin brothers, twin brothers, one of my twin brothers, twin

29:24

brothers, one of my twin brothers, one of my twin brothers,

29:26

one, twin brothers, one, twin brothers, one, one, twin brothers, twin

29:28

brothers, one, one, one, twin brothers, one, one a waste of

29:30

time, but it surely was not. Were you shocked when you

29:32

got it? Yeah. Oh yeah. Because I

29:35

was like, how is this going to

29:37

work? I think when we spoke on

29:39

the other thing too, I was like,

29:41

there's got to be some sort of

29:44

reference. We have to make a little

29:46

reference about Clark or Chloe being like,

29:48

have we met before or something like

29:51

this? Because I was like, I

29:53

look so much like Sean, but

29:55

it's like, wait a minute. Well,

29:57

I've been prepped. I've been

29:59

prepped. There was a little comment

30:01

wasn't there? Was there a little comment?

30:03

No I wanted to say so I

30:05

wanted I sort of pitch something. Didn't

30:08

you improvise something? Well I wanted to

30:10

say like just something like if Clark

30:12

has been like have we met before

30:14

like even just something as small before

30:16

like even just something as small as

30:19

that and it's like no but they

30:21

didn't I said we got to say

30:23

something like this but I think it

30:25

was James Marshall was directing the episode

30:28

maybe and he was like he did

30:30

not respond to that at all. No

30:32

smile no nothing. No nothing. No nothing.

30:34

It's my first day here, so I

30:36

won't push. I always find that if

30:39

you're gonna say something and add something,

30:41

never ask. Never, ask. Just do it.

30:43

And it's either gonna be like, it's

30:45

the first time they've heard it. And

30:47

they're like, it's the first time they've

30:50

heard it. And they're like, they look

30:52

around and everybody else's smiling or laughing.

30:54

They're like, oh, okay. Because it's a

30:56

confidence thing. They don't really believe. They're

30:59

like, you get that. to do what

31:01

you want to do. Did you ask

31:03

Sean about how his time was on

31:05

Smallville before you worked on Smallville? Yeah,

31:07

well we talked about it. I mean

31:10

at the time when he did that

31:12

episode, the first episode where he stole

31:14

Clark's Power was like, I remember watching

31:16

it and just being like, this is

31:18

awesome. Like he's chucking cars around and

31:21

kicking everybody's butt and I was like,

31:23

dude, this is a great role for

31:25

you. I thought it was super cool

31:27

and we talked about it and he

31:29

said it was a great experience like

31:32

just he loved working with Allison and

31:34

I think Tom I mean I think

31:36

he really worked with Allison and Tom

31:38

so and he said it was great

31:41

really really how was your time like

31:43

work because you worked a lot with

31:45

Allison yeah was it was easy to

31:47

work with her absolutely she was lovely

31:49

she was very Like welcoming and inviting

31:52

and even like you know like her

31:54

boyfriend Chad like they would invite me

31:56

out to go for hikes and stuff

31:58

like that with their dog like we

32:00

like she was super cool and she

32:03

is a very very good actor she's

32:05

solid she absolutely you know. She brings

32:07

a lot to the character and that

32:09

was great to get a chance to

32:12

work with her because she would, yeah,

32:14

she made it really easy. Yeah, she

32:16

was always a joy to work with.

32:18

Did she ever mention any of that

32:20

stuff that she was doing? Did you

32:23

ever know about it? Did she ever

32:25

say, hey, you wanna come for a

32:27

meeting? Well in retrospect like I did

32:29

I remember like some of the girls

32:31

on set not even some of the

32:34

guest stars and came come in with

32:36

sort of talk they were all sort

32:38

of socially hung out and maybe some

32:40

of that stuff but I didn't really

32:42

hear about it I did I did

32:45

go to a bunch of script readings

32:47

that Allison and her friends had organized

32:49

and maybe that was some of that

32:51

was part of that I don't know

32:54

but I didn't feel any of that

32:56

you didn't know any of that was

32:58

going on. would never have been. Were

33:00

you how shocked were you when you

33:02

read the news? Dude, like my job

33:05

was on the floor like I it

33:07

seemed like it could be. I didn't

33:09

I knew Allison really well for those

33:11

three years we worked together like and

33:13

nothing in her personality would have led

33:16

me to believe that any of this

33:18

was possible. So it seemed like an

33:20

alternate reality. It seemed like a what

33:22

are you talking about type scenario? Yeah

33:25

because in the beginning it's you know

33:27

it seems like and I watched the

33:29

documentary and everything but. you know, like,

33:31

oh, this is a good thing. They're

33:33

helping people with their confidence and finding

33:36

purpose and all these things. And you're

33:38

thinking, hey, I could use some of

33:40

that. But then you see where it

33:42

goes and you see what the craziness

33:44

obviously got really intense and crazy. And

33:47

you're like, how does it become that?

33:49

Why can't something just be good? Why

33:51

does it always have to become something

33:53

horrible? Yeah. Well, unfortunately, human nature, you

33:55

know, I mean, uh... I think a

33:58

lot of people are looking for something,

34:00

they don't know what it is, you

34:02

know, and people will prey on that,

34:04

you know, like people have traumas, they

34:07

have, you know, whatever, families, all sorts

34:09

of shit that they're trying to look

34:11

for answers for and there's always going

34:13

to be somebody out there who's going

34:15

to take advantage of that, like unfortunately,

34:18

I... I think that that's a huge

34:20

part of, yeah, a lot of people's

34:22

MO is, yeah, sure will help you,

34:24

but we want, you know, we're gonna

34:26

get something out of it. Yeah, people

34:29

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34:31

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36:28

Have you ever thought in

36:30

your life like, I want

36:32

to do something else? I'm

36:34

not enjoying acting anymore. I'm not

36:36

enjoying the industry. I just

36:39

like to do something else.

36:41

Uh, dude, I've gone on

36:43

that roller coaster ride many

36:45

times. Um, and I've sort of,

36:47

um... It basically come to a place

36:50

where I just feel really grateful to

36:52

be doing this as a career, even

36:54

if it drives me crazy sometimes. Like

36:56

sometimes when I'm sitting around and there's

36:59

no opportunities or I'm waiting on something

37:01

or whatever, I mean, as a man who,

37:03

you know, I got a mortgage, I got

37:05

kids, I got all this, you know, stuff,

37:07

and to be sitting around waiting for, you

37:09

know, somebody to say, hey, we're going for

37:11

another season, drives me crazy. But it's really

37:14

the only thing that I know. If like

37:16

I didn't go to school, I don't have

37:18

like a formal education post-secondary in

37:20

any in any way in this

37:22

day and age Look at well

37:25

look at everybody on the

37:27

internet. Well, it's social media. I

37:29

don't think I don't think you

37:31

know your job. Look at this

37:33

you can make $5,000 a month

37:35

if you just yeah read excerpts

37:37

from books Fair enough. So there's always

37:39

ways to make money, but I'm like,

37:41

I don't know what that thing would

37:43

be. So, and I've, you know, to

37:45

me, I'm like, I'm gonna keep chasing

37:47

this and going after it until I

37:49

can't make a living at it anymore.

37:52

Like that's sort of been my thing.

37:54

And I'm 45 and so far so

37:56

good, but I know that, you know,

37:58

it's, there's no guarantees in this. life.

38:00

So I just feel really fortunate that

38:02

I can still be doing it making

38:04

a living and Across that bridge when

38:06

I get to it, but the rollercoaster

38:09

has been real man. There's been lots

38:11

of times where I was just like

38:13

what am I doing like this is

38:15

insane Is it because you like maybe

38:17

you weren't getting work or you weren't

38:20

enjoying work or what was the reason

38:22

for I think a little bit of

38:24

both I mean, obviously when you're not

38:26

working I think a little bit of

38:28

both I mean, obviously when you're not

38:31

working it's easy to be like this

38:33

is stupid but also like. independent movies

38:35

or little TV movies and like are

38:37

like guest star things where I'm like

38:39

I'm not enjoying this at all it's

38:41

not a great role it's just a

38:44

job but then I have to remember

38:46

it's like well but that's everybody everybody's

38:48

got to work and lots of people

38:50

work jobs where you don't have the

38:52

benefits that you do for this job

38:55

so even if it's something that's creatively

38:57

unfulfilling I still try and be very

38:59

very just happy to be doing something

39:01

that other people would kill to do.

39:03

Right, like that's what you sort of

39:06

forget, right? Like that I'm in a

39:08

position that 20 years ago I would

39:10

have killed to be in. So you

39:12

have to, yeah, no, 100% and hindsight

39:14

is 2020. Sometimes you have to learn

39:17

that and realize, realize that and you

39:19

know, because there were times where I

39:21

was not thinking about, I was just

39:23

thinking of my unhappiness or my whatever.

39:25

And then when you're able to take

39:28

a step back and look from the

39:30

outside in and go. I'm so lucky.

39:32

I'm so lucky. Yeah. Why am I

39:34

so lucky? Why do I deserve this?

39:36

Well, you know, yeah, I mean, some

39:39

hard work, some luck, some natural, I

39:41

mean, you know, it's, it is what

39:43

it is, but I do think it's

39:45

important to, yeah, be like, this is,

39:47

we're lucky to be able to do

39:49

what we do. And not to say

39:52

that doesn't have its ups and downs,

39:54

but I. What the hell else would

39:56

you rather be doing, right? This is

39:58

the business to be in. You know,

40:00

I, uh, I haven't seen the show,

40:03

so this is the first time I'm

40:05

seeing it. we watch it so I

40:07

haven't seen much of you other than

40:09

when you came on screen I was

40:11

like whoa he's got he just like

40:14

just the energy the the show just

40:16

was fun you create an element. Did

40:18

you never watch the show? No I

40:20

watched the show the first couple seasons

40:22

a little bit here and there and

40:25

then I just kind of zoned out.

40:27

Yeah I guess I guess by that

40:29

point you're like I get what the

40:31

show is. Some are big episodes but

40:33

like I didn't see you at all.

40:36

Yeah. Like you just have so much

40:38

charisma and you bring so much to

40:40

the screen that you just pop. Was

40:42

there a time? What's the whole Brian

40:44

Singer Superman returns kind of story? Is

40:46

that true? And explain it if it

40:49

is? Well, all I know about that

40:51

scenario is that Mike Dorty and Dan

40:53

Harris, who wrote X-Men 2 and became

40:55

very good friends with my brother. And

40:57

Brian, like they're all, they were kind

41:00

of a team that then moved over

41:02

to do the Superman stuff. And Dan

41:04

and Mike and Brian, I think we're

41:06

like, well, Sean would be a great

41:08

Jimmy Olson. But Fox, I believe, said,

41:11

or whoever had the rights with the

41:13

X-Men stuff, because he was still doing

41:15

the X-Men movies, was like, no, like

41:17

there's no, even though it doesn't conflict,

41:19

it's not. sort of anything. They just

41:22

basically were like, no, you're not going

41:24

to go do a big DC franchise.

41:26

And again, I think because Brian had

41:28

left the X-Men stuff to go do

41:30

that, it was a bit of like,

41:33

they were just like, no, we're not

41:35

going to help those guys out. They're

41:37

over at DC now. I mean, again,

41:39

I'm, I'm speculating. But then my good

41:41

buddy Sam Huntington ended up, but again,

41:44

if Sean had done that, probably. unlikely

41:46

that I would have done Smallville too

41:48

right like I don't know which one

41:50

yeah yeah that would have been too

41:52

weird I guess yeah I just would

41:54

have been like I hate how the

41:57

industry you know if somebody's great at

41:59

what they do And fans love their

42:01

performance. Why wouldn't you put them as

42:03

that role in a movie? But they

42:05

think that, oh no, there's some, because

42:08

all actors are doing TV and I

42:10

mean everybody, I mean, yeah, I mean,

42:12

now I think that's where the money

42:14

is, right? For most, like, it's where

42:16

it shouldn't be, it should be like,

42:19

they already have a built-in audience, people

42:21

already love them, people want to see

42:23

this, let's give this a shot, this,

42:25

let's give this a shot, a shot,

42:27

let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's,

42:30

let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's,

42:32

let's, let's, let's, Did they, I know

42:34

that they probably since you were Canadian,

42:36

they paid you a lot less than

42:38

they would have. It was a sad

42:41

contract. So I booked it out of

42:43

the States, so I was paid in

42:45

American dollars, got the residuals, got all

42:47

the good stuff. But again, my paycheck

42:49

was probably I was fairly like green

42:52

or new as far as so I

42:54

wasn't getting paid big bucks, but I

42:56

did get a sad contract. So I

42:58

did. I did pretty well. Did you,

43:00

were you able to negotiate that after

43:02

a season or two? No, after, oh,

43:05

like, I mean, it was like, I

43:07

think the first season I was only

43:09

on like as a reoccurring actor, so

43:11

just top of show for the first

43:13

season, and then the next two, they

43:16

signed me up as a season, as

43:18

a reoccurring actor, so just top of

43:20

show for the first season, and then

43:22

the next two, they signed me up.

43:24

Do you get residual still? Dude, like

43:27

it's crazy actually, because I think I

43:29

was done on the show if 2008

43:31

was the last time I was on

43:33

the show. That's like 17 years ago.

43:35

I still get really decent. You know,

43:38

it is what it is. It's years

43:40

and years, but it's crazy to just

43:42

get a check every once in a

43:44

while for a job you did 17

43:46

years ago. Like it's all right. It's

43:49

it's it's unbelievable. What would you say

43:51

is the toughest time in your life?

43:53

Obviously you lost your father, but what

43:55

do you think is the hardest thing

43:57

to get through that you've been working?

44:00

through? Well, I would say, yeah, in

44:02

the past, a part of it with

44:04

my dad, you know, COVID was a

44:06

really tough time. We had a brand

44:08

new baby. My dad got, you know,

44:10

stuck home with a three-year-old and a

44:13

newborn and my dad got ill over

44:15

that time period and passed away. And

44:17

then eight months after that, my wife

44:19

and I decided to split up. So

44:21

there was like two and a half

44:24

years there that it was like I...

44:26

was grieving my dad and then, you

44:28

know, then my marriage dissolved and stuff.

44:30

So that was about two and a

44:32

half years ago and things are great

44:35

now, but that the past two years

44:37

are like, you know, sort of, there's

44:39

about a two and a half year

44:41

period that was just like, the hits

44:43

just kept coming in. Did you go

44:46

to therapy? Yeah, well, we were actually

44:48

in therapy. For our merit like my

44:50

my ex is a therapist so they're

44:52

like So there was always a lot

44:54

of encouragement to to do therapy and

44:57

and so we did we did our

44:59

due diligence with our relationship and our

45:01

marriage to we were probably in therapy

45:03

for an hour I was gonna say

45:05

an hour sort of a year before

45:08

We ended up deciding that it was

45:10

just yeah, it wasn't gonna work and

45:12

yes, I did do some therapy afterwards.

45:14

There was some difficult times like I

45:16

was pretty fine afterwards but about a

45:18

year and a half ago we had

45:21

to sell the house. The house that

45:23

I like I loved our family had

45:25

like our you know where that where

45:27

one of my kids was born like

45:29

all this sort of stuff and just

45:32

couldn't afford to keep it. And that

45:34

sent me into like a. Tail spin

45:36

for like a good three or four

45:38

months like I was depressed and it's

45:40

like a weird thing because it's like

45:43

well It's the house and I'm gonna

45:45

be able to go buy another house

45:47

and stuff But it it just represented

45:49

something was like the the last thing

45:51

that our marriage The true end of

45:54

you know was like we'd done all

45:56

this work on this house whatever and

45:58

then finite like this is yeah this

46:00

is it man like there's nothing left

46:02

of this I mean the kids of

46:05

course but sort of in in yeah

46:07

in our life together in a lot

46:09

of ways and that really spun me

46:11

out for a good two or three

46:13

months I was like just really struggling

46:16

but luckily my my brother came and

46:18

you know help me out like he was

46:20

like you need you're having you're in a

46:22

rough patch and some of my friends and

46:25

stuff and I got through it but yeah

46:27

sometimes those things hit you not when you're expecting

46:29

it, you know, like down your, the, it finally

46:31

catches up with you. Yeah, and you don't know

46:33

what to do about it. You're like so overwhelmed.

46:35

You're like, why do I feel like this? I

46:37

can't get out of this. And also I'm like,

46:39

about what like this happened a year and a half

46:41

ago, or two years ago, like the big difficult thing.

46:43

Why am I, why am I feeling like this now?

46:45

Like it's hard to understand how, how the mind works

46:47

and how the mind works and why things happen, and

46:49

why things happen the way at the way at the

46:52

way at the way at the way at the timing

46:54

that they do, at the timing that they do that

46:56

they do. you know crying in the grocery store for

46:58

no reason a song comes on and just like you

47:00

know weird stuff like I've been through that where it's

47:02

all of a sudden sailing takes me away

47:04

and I'm like oh my god and you're just

47:06

like yeah and you're just like why am I

47:09

in the grocery store fighting tears like it's just

47:11

like it's so you know but that's you have

47:13

a tattoo that your brother you've had and your

47:15

grandfather had whereas in here what is

47:17

it the initials of what is it the initials

47:19

of what Well, his, he had a

47:22

nickname, Good Man, well, he's, he

47:24

was actually a step, my step-grandfather,

47:26

so his name, my, my grandmother

47:29

remarried, you know, whatever, but he

47:31

was, like, they were married before

47:33

I was born, so he was

47:35

always my grandfather, but his name

47:37

was Gangu, Jag Tiani, he was

47:39

from India, and he had a

47:41

tattoo, it was, it was, it

47:44

was actually his initials, it was

47:46

J, M, but he said that it was,

47:48

Jay, yeah, JamG, good man, Jagtiani. So

47:50

that's what he was always, like, he

47:52

was always the good man. So my

47:55

brother and I got good man, GMA,

47:57

good man, Ashmore, tattoos, is sort of

47:59

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painful. you

52:02

have to do that, but it's also like their

52:04

experience of what you're doing and your

52:06

love comes through to your actions,

52:08

I think even more so than saying it.

52:10

So you could say all the right words,

52:13

but if you're doing things that are in

52:15

opposition to that in some ways, if you're

52:17

not patient, if you're annoyed with them or

52:19

whatever, that's gonna go against it. So it's,

52:21

I almost think it's more important in your

52:24

actions to be saying that you love them

52:26

than in the worst. Show them you love

52:28

them without having to tell them you

52:30

love them. Yeah, yeah, because then there's

52:32

no, there's, I mean, again, you still

52:34

say it, but I think that then

52:37

there's no confusion, there's no misunderstanding, they

52:39

can feel it, you know, and saying

52:41

it is not feeling it. So I

52:43

think it's a big difference. Yeah, you

52:46

know, making them feel smart, making

52:48

them feel confident, making them feel

52:50

worthy. Those are such vital things.

52:52

And you know especially I think that dynamic

52:54

between you know father and daughter is is

52:56

amazing you are there first. Well I mean

52:58

I say this because I'm assuming that

53:01

my kids are straight but maybe they're

53:03

not maybe that what their romantic relationships

53:05

or their major relationships will be with

53:07

a woman whatever but in my mind

53:10

I'm like I don't. I don't want

53:12

you to fall for some dusty idiot

53:14

who can fly you to Cabo or

53:17

a cabo or something for the weekend.

53:19

Just because you can do these things,

53:21

whatever. It's like, I'm gonna make sure

53:23

that you are loved. I'm gonna make

53:26

sure that that you know what your

53:28

work or throughout. Like, absolutely. Absolutely. Let

53:30

me ask you this. That's the plan. I

53:32

didn't know this. But my friend Troy

53:35

told me that Troy Troy from Smallville?

53:37

Yeah. How did you feel? When

53:39

you found out you weren't

53:41

playing actually Jimmy

53:44

Olson? Because you were playing

53:46

his brother, his older

53:48

brother, his older brother. Why

53:51

did they throw that in

53:53

the mix? I mean, I

53:55

literally, what they told me

53:57

was that because this was

53:59

the actual like Superman timeline that this canon

54:02

that we all know it's sort of like

54:04

slightly different it's like well you cannot be

54:06

Jimmy also and because you're it's it's too

54:08

young it needs to be like Clark needs

54:10

to be older and then he has to

54:12

be like like all this sort of change my

54:14

name yeah yeah yeah so at first I was

54:16

like I was bummed because I was like

54:19

well I've been doing all these interviews for

54:21

three years people hey you're you're part of

54:23

the the the canon you're part of the

54:25

you know iconic You know lucky people to play

54:27

the you know this Jimmy also rolling I

54:29

was like yeah this is great and then

54:31

all of a sudden I was like I

54:34

don't even get to freaking be Jimmy Olson

54:36

I've been telling him this so

54:38

you're pissed. I was disappointed I was

54:40

like I didn't like how they did it

54:42

because it just it felt like a bit of

54:45

a cop out yeah it was. You know,

54:47

and they didn't tell me till

54:49

like the very end of the

54:51

season too. They could have told

54:53

me the beginning of the season.

54:55

Hey, this is what's happening. Like,

54:57

I don't think it was a

54:59

surprise. I don't think they came

55:01

up with this. I don't know

55:03

where I think they knew that

55:05

this was going to be the

55:07

thing, but they told me like

55:09

the episode before. So I was

55:11

just like, just feels like a

55:13

shitty way to basically get fired.

55:15

Yeah, so yeah, did you know

55:17

that? No, I didn't know that

55:19

either and Troy spoiled it

55:22

Troy How upset were you when

55:24

you they killed you? Well, I

55:26

actually liked the scene the

55:28

scene was great You did all

55:31

right? Yeah, and I was like

55:33

and I was like if I'm

55:35

gonna go out. I'm gonna I'm

55:37

gonna do some there's we're gonna pull on the

55:39

heartstrings we're gonna get the tear jerker going here

55:41

like it because i was like if i'm gonna

55:44

go out i'm gonna i'm gonna make it i'm

55:46

gonna make it count so i actually really enjoyed

55:48

the scene itself and like filming it i was

55:50

fine but once you get over i do i'll

55:52

tell you a story about that day though again

55:54

this is another one of those things where it's like

55:57

you know you get you get pushed and i'm like

55:59

no no so Say we were shooting

56:01

this, that's the death scene on a

56:03

Monday. I show up to set and

56:05

you know, usually you get your sides,

56:07

which is the little piece of paper

56:09

that says what's happening for the day,

56:11

the scene of the order, it's got

56:13

all your lines in it, you can

56:15

go through it, what time's lunch, yada

56:17

yada, or whatever. You get it every

56:19

day when you show up. So I

56:21

show up and it's my big death

56:23

scene, it's a big scene. And the

56:25

ad says, I'm like. Well, what do

56:27

you mean? Like, why not? Well, on

56:29

Friday, they'd been filming a scene, and

56:31

I guess none of the actors knew

56:33

their lines. Like, it was just one

56:35

of those things where it was a

56:38

late night and it got dragged out

56:40

and nobody, everybody was fucking up their

56:42

lines and stuff. So James Marshall was

56:44

directing at the time, he's like, no

56:46

sides. Nobody's getting sides. If the actors

56:48

got to know their stuff before they

56:50

show up and not at all sort

56:52

of stuff. So I was like, okay.

56:54

I set aside, because this is how

56:56

I work. I look at it, you

56:58

know, there's beats and stuff that I

57:00

like to reference, like some of this,

57:02

sometimes a screen direction, I don't have

57:04

memorized, but it's like, I like that.

57:06

It's just what I do. So I

57:08

went in and they said, well, we

57:10

can't do that. Like, we can't do

57:12

that. James said, and I don't know.

57:14

So I went into set and I

57:16

said, hey, James, how come I can't

57:19

have sidesides? No? So I was like,

57:21

why are you punishing me, man? Like,

57:23

give me my sides. This is how

57:25

we work. This is how every set

57:27

works. I want my sides. And guess

57:29

what? I got my sides. And I

57:31

was like, this is my death scene,

57:33

bro. Don't, like, don't fuck it up

57:35

for me. Like, I really want to

57:37

do this the best that I can,

57:39

and this is what I need. And

57:41

he was like, yeah. That's, that's crazy.

57:43

I've had some definitely some moments on

57:45

sets on that. It's just it's it's

57:47

a lot of it's a lot of

57:49

egos and it's a lot of people

57:51

you know everybody's working towards the same.

57:53

goal but sometimes you know sometimes we

57:55

all get rubbed the wrong way sometimes

57:57

you just have to say no that

58:00

doesn't relate to me that's well that's

58:02

just it I was like you shouldn't

58:04

can't punish somebody when they didn't do

58:06

something it doesn't make any sense and

58:08

and he agreed with me in the

58:10

long run he was like yeah no

58:12

you're absolutely right I remember one time

58:14

it was like well you guys didn't

58:16

know your lawns yesterday you were laughing

58:18

I got no no I knew my

58:20

lines so and so didn't know right

58:22

in right in front in front of

58:24

them They didn't know their lines, but

58:26

yes, I was laughing a lot and

58:28

making them laugh, but I knew my

58:30

lines. Let's not. Yeah, let's not get

58:32

crazy here. I do not. All right,

58:34

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58:36

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58:39

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58:41

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58:43

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58:45

Melissa M. What did you love most

58:47

about your character on Killjoys, and do

58:49

you still stay in touch with those

58:51

from the series from the series? What

58:53

I loved most about Killjoys was that

58:55

I actually got the kick, but I

58:57

got a gun, I got the fly

58:59

spaceship, and I got to be a

59:01

bit of an action hero. And, you

59:03

know, like from Smallville, I was a

59:06

sidekick. Well, I get to be a

59:08

bit of an action star on that

59:10

one. So that was a bonus. And

59:12

yes, I do still keep in contact

59:14

with my Killjoys co-stars. Everybody's busy, but

59:16

I still, like, I don't know. Not

59:18

this last time, but a little while

59:20

ago when I was in LA, I

59:22

went out to dinner with them. We

59:24

had a great catch-up. It was great.

59:26

So yes, I do. Yeah. Donji, have

59:28

you and your brother ever swapped place

59:30

to see if anyone noticed, taking a

59:32

test for the other or anything like

59:34

that? We literally... Try to avoid that

59:36

because everybody mixed us up constantly. So

59:38

the idea of people mixing us up

59:40

or doing that was not appealing. It

59:42

was actually can people just actually get

59:44

us right? So no, we didn't do

59:46

a lot of that. Although I Sean

59:48

would have it was much smarter or

59:50

more dedicated in school. So I probably

59:52

should have I would have gotten better

59:54

grades than I actually did. So nice

59:56

Taylor are favorite part of being an

59:58

identical twin. where you always have, like

1:00:00

when you're starting somewhere new or doing

1:00:02

something, you always got your best friend,

1:00:04

it's always like an ice breaker talking

1:00:06

point. So I think that that was

1:00:08

a really easy way to be socially

1:00:10

accepted was being a twin. And I'm

1:00:12

a bit of a shy guy at

1:00:14

time, so that I think kind of

1:00:16

got me out of my shell and

1:00:18

got me socializing as a young land.

1:00:20

I love that. Brini, how do you

1:00:22

manage the pressure public scrutiny on your

1:00:24

mental well being? Oh, that's interesting.

1:00:27

I mean, sometimes I read stuff

1:00:29

online where people have not

1:00:32

the nicest things to say,

1:00:34

but then other people have

1:00:36

really nice things to say.

1:00:38

So you have to take it

1:00:40

off with a grain of

1:00:42

salt. There's no, that person's

1:00:44

wrong if they don't have

1:00:46

something nice to say. They're

1:00:49

just wrong. Little Lisa, who

1:00:51

do you admire? What do

1:00:53

you admire most in a person?

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Loyalty. Yeah, so just being able

1:00:57

to trust somebody and like just

1:00:59

not even in any aspect of

1:01:01

your mind, or is this person,

1:01:04

you know, not got my back

1:01:06

or not got my best interests.

1:01:08

I have some people that are

1:01:10

absolutely loyal and that means a

1:01:12

world to me. Few and far between.

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I'm here are they. I said, Ryan,

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are you loyal? I'm here, aren't I?

1:01:19

Yes, you are. Beard and I. Leanne,

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if you had to describe yourself in

1:01:23

one word, what would it be and

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why? That's tough. Oh, that's a

1:01:27

good one. What's the word where

1:01:29

it's like you're like two things

1:01:31

at once? You're... You can't think

1:01:34

of the words. Schizophrenic?

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No. Bratured. No, I

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don't know. Multifaceted? Sorry?

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Multifaceted or... Sure. Yeah, something like

1:01:43

that. Well, I just like, like,

1:01:45

again, I come across is very

1:01:47

nice, but I can also be

1:01:49

a real asshole. So it's like,

1:01:51

you know, it's that sort of... That

1:01:54

dance of like those two things I think that's what describes.

1:01:56

I would say if I had to describe you if someone

1:01:58

that said one word I would say genuine. Just

1:02:00

gentleman. I think that's a good word

1:02:02

for you. Okay. I mean, who am

1:02:04

I to say? No, no, that's I

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don't that's it's actually more interesting to

1:02:08

hear what somebody else thinks about you

1:02:11

than what you think about yourself. I

1:02:13

mean, I think that's people see the

1:02:15

truth in you more than you can

1:02:17

see the truth in yourself. That's true.

1:02:19

Are you going you were at the

1:02:21

Khan in New Jersey with us, which

1:02:23

was a blast? Yeah, brother. And I

1:02:25

want you to come to more, more.

1:02:28

Are you coming to more, are you

1:02:30

coming to Chicago? Yes I am and

1:02:32

thanks to you because I didn't get

1:02:34

the invite until you reached out and

1:02:36

said listen I think I think people

1:02:38

would like to see Aaron I think

1:02:40

honestly when I sent it they're like

1:02:42

yeah yeah we're totally talking about him

1:02:45

and like they were already into what

1:02:47

they said but I just wanted to

1:02:49

make sure there wasn't any discrepancy well

1:02:51

and I appreciate that because sometimes it

1:02:53

just it takes a little nudge and

1:02:55

yeah dude I'm so excited to like

1:02:57

I had a blast New Jersey and

1:02:59

like Chicago and like Chicago even better.

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Oh yeah, dude, yeah. I mean, over

1:03:04

the years, I've done tons. The past

1:03:06

couple years, things have slowed down, I

1:03:08

haven't done as many, but I love,

1:03:10

I love doing conventions. Like, get to

1:03:12

go hang out with some people that

1:03:14

you know, visit a city who have

1:03:16

a nice meal. People literally are excited

1:03:19

to see you. People are excited to

1:03:21

see you. People are excited to have

1:03:23

a nice meal. People literally are excited.

1:03:25

And what's great is I didn't notice,

1:03:27

know this at first, but it occurred

1:03:29

to me that when we go on

1:03:31

a vacation, we might go to Mexico

1:03:33

for a weekend, we might go somewhere

1:03:36

where we live. But for these fans,

1:03:38

this weekend is like. their Mexico or

1:03:40

their Italy or their they love it,

1:03:42

whether it's cosplay or just they love

1:03:44

to walk the convention. I'm one of

1:03:46

those people. I love walking convention. I

1:03:48

go to conventions even when I'm not.

1:03:50

I just went to the horror convention.

1:03:53

Monster Palooza in Burbank. I go every

1:03:55

year with my friends just as walking

1:03:57

around and as a fan. And people

1:03:59

recognize me and stuff. But I'm like,

1:04:01

hey, I'm just here as a fan

1:04:03

buying. I'm just here as a fan

1:04:05

buying. I buy things. I buy things.

1:04:07

I buy things. I buy things. I

1:04:10

buy things. I buy things. I buy

1:04:12

things. But this has been awesome. It's

1:04:14

a long time coming and I really

1:04:16

appreciate you being so open and honest

1:04:18

and just like I said genuine. Thanks

1:04:20

brother. I wish we could have done

1:04:22

it in person when I was there

1:04:24

but this is. We'll do it again.

1:04:27

We'll do it again down the road

1:04:29

or something in person and I wish

1:04:31

you all the best, nothing but the

1:04:33

best. Anything you're working on now? There's

1:04:35

a show, got a couple seasons, there's

1:04:37

a show called Sky Med that I

1:04:39

work on that should be released sometime

1:04:41

soon on Paramount Plus in the States

1:04:44

and internationally. And also I work on

1:04:46

a show called Ginny and Georgia, I

1:04:48

was in the second season and I

1:04:50

did a bunch of episodes in the

1:04:52

third season as well. I don't know

1:04:54

when that's gonna air, but sometimes soon.

1:04:56

And before I go, because I just

1:04:58

didn't interview on a podcast, a British

1:05:01

guy, his name's Brian, his last name

1:05:03

is Garter or Gardner. It's called Be

1:05:05

More Super, his podcast, Super Fun Guy,

1:05:07

and we were talking, and he's a

1:05:09

huge small little fan, but his podcast

1:05:11

is about all sorts of different stuff,

1:05:13

but he's a huge small little fan.

1:05:15

And I said I was doing your

1:05:18

podcast, and he said, well, you know,

1:05:20

I started mine after I'd sort of

1:05:22

seen what Michael was doing during the

1:05:24

pandemic and getting into podcasting and stuff,

1:05:26

and he's like, I was so inspired

1:05:28

that I started my own. pitch you

1:05:30

and I'll send you separately his contact

1:05:32

information. He'd love to have you on,

1:05:35

you know, you do with that what

1:05:37

you will, but I did tell him

1:05:39

that I would at least mention it

1:05:41

to you. So I'll send you his

1:05:43

information. And I love hearing that, that's

1:05:45

great, that someone was inspired. Yeah, he's

1:05:47

super inspired. He was like, I look

1:05:49

at what he was doing. I inspire

1:05:52

anybody, that's to me, that's a miracle.

1:05:54

So, well, you got one gentleman in

1:05:56

Britain, in Britain, you, you, you, you,

1:05:58

you, you inspired. I like, you inspired.

1:06:00

I like, you inspired. I like. I

1:06:02

like, you inspired. I like, you, you,

1:06:04

you, you, you, you, you inspired. I

1:06:06

like, you, you, you, you, you, you,

1:06:09

you, you, you, you, you, you, you,

1:06:11

you, you, you, you, you, you, you,

1:06:13

you, you, you, you, you, you, you

1:06:15

I hope so too brother. Yeah. All

1:06:17

right man. Keep in touch. You're awesome.

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