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4:34

seen him in everything. I mean,

4:36

honestly, he's one of those guys. It's like

4:38

me, if you saw me in the street,

4:40

you go, I think I recognize him. He's

4:43

one of those guys, he's so striking, but

4:45

he's been in a lot of big movies.

4:47

I remember him from Lost, but he's really

4:49

great, and he's such a beautiful,

4:51

beautiful human being human being.

4:53

I love talking to him.

4:56

He was a lot of

4:58

fun and very down-to-earth. I

5:00

think you're going to really

5:02

relate to him. Let's get

5:04

inside of Kevin Duran. It's

5:06

my point of view. You're

5:09

listening to Inside of You

5:11

with Michael Rosenbaum. Inside of

5:14

you with Michael Rosenbaum

5:16

was not recorded in front

5:19

of a live studio

5:21

audience. You love dogs. I love that

5:23

you love dogs so much that you

5:25

came in and you immediately sat on

5:27

the stairs and played with my dogs.

5:29

Oh, that tells me a lot about

5:31

a person. Dude, I would have, I'd still

5:33

be out there. You would. I would have,

5:36

I would have laid down and

5:38

eventually I would have laid down

5:40

and eventually I would have one

5:42

Blanche. Blanche over. It just, I

5:44

understand. It takes a minute. Yeah.

5:47

She's usually pretty good, but with

5:49

people that are really tall. Oh, oh,

5:51

oh, My energy is really

5:53

big too, so it takes

5:55

a while for sometimes to

5:57

open up to adapt. I

6:00

had a guy and he was

6:02

a professor in college, I took,

6:04

it was the introduction to sound

6:06

or whatever, I don't remember what

6:09

it was called, radio. And he

6:11

got, Dr. Wyslowski, and the first

6:13

thing he says is, he's quiet,

6:15

everybody staring at him, he goes,

6:17

what is sound? And we all

6:20

just look, and I go, this

6:22

is gonna be an F. I'm

6:24

gonna get an F in this

6:26

one. And he goes, sound. is

6:28

vibrating air. Yeah, and I'll never

6:31

forget it. Yeah, you have a

6:33

resident voice. It worked. Dr. Wozlowski.

6:35

Got me into doing like DJing

6:37

and stuff like that. I was

6:40

like a DJ like 91.7 new

6:42

rocks only alternative. Perfect. Hey, I'm

6:44

here from 10 to 2. Nobody's

6:46

listening. But listen, if you are.

6:48

I got a six inch subway

6:51

sandwich I just bought, and it's

6:53

yours. If you're the third caller.

6:55

Nobody called. My roommate Jerry would

6:57

call my cherry. But it was

7:00

fun, it was fun. Did you

7:02

always know you were going to

7:04

do this? Would it be an

7:06

actor? I really wanted to be

7:08

a hockey player. Well, you have

7:11

the song. Did you play? Yeah,

7:13

I played. I played until I

7:15

was 14. Some... It was pretty

7:17

bad. I was being sat. by

7:20

coaches on the bench. I'd ride

7:22

the pines if I wouldn't go

7:24

out and hurt a kid since

7:26

I was about seven years old.

7:28

It happened so many times. Because

7:31

you're always big for your age.

7:33

Yeah, yeah, but I had pretty

7:35

good hands. I was a goal

7:37

scorer. Yeah. But because I was

7:40

a fucking giant, they would be

7:42

like, okay, you have most goals

7:44

on the team, but you need

7:46

to go take that kid out.

7:48

I'd be seven years old and

7:51

I'd refuse. And so like when

7:53

I was 14 after like, you

7:55

know, years and years of this

7:57

because I started playing at three.

8:00

The coach was benching me,

8:03

bench me the first

8:05

two periods, like three

8:07

minutes left in the

8:09

second period, he goes,

8:11

okay, go on. And I

8:13

go on and I don't go after

8:15

the guy, but the guy puts

8:17

me headfirst on the

8:20

boards and I go black. And

8:22

I wake up 10 minutes later,

8:25

nothing's moving. I have

8:27

no control over my

8:29

extremities. fucking done. 14 years

8:31

old, I'm done. And then slowly, yeah,

8:34

just terrifying. Yeah, just terrifying. Yeah, it

8:36

was one of the biggest fears. Yeah,

8:38

one of the scariest things ever. And

8:41

then a bit by bit, slowly it

8:43

came back, extremities started to tingle, got

8:45

it back. And then this fucking thing

8:47

that they had been trying to turn

8:50

me into. Olson, I just kind of

8:52

got up. And I was like, you

8:54

got to put me in the third. And he's

8:57

like, no, you took a pretty bad spells.

9:00

Fuck and put me in and I

9:02

went after that kid and

9:04

I put that kid in

9:06

the hospital and At that age

9:08

I thought I'd killed him. I

9:10

didn't really understand and that

9:12

was the last time I

9:15

played because you felt so bad

9:17

It's just not in look we all

9:19

have as you know Everything lives within

9:21

us. Yeah, and if if you choose

9:24

to unearth things and open up the

9:26

filter and just kind of go, okay,

9:28

well, I'm going to go there. And

9:30

we do that for our job, right?

9:33

Right. I decided that I didn't want

9:35

to do that anymore in my life.

9:37

Yeah, at such a young age, you

9:39

kind of like, introspectively knew that

9:42

something wasn't quite right.

9:44

And I think that's, that tells a

9:46

lot about you because I remember being

9:48

a young kid. And you grew up

9:50

in Canada, much nicer country. No, I

9:52

love us. But I mean, Canada's like

9:54

the nicest people in the planet. We

9:56

can get into that. But- Not bad.

9:58

We're not bad. No. I used to

10:00

hang out with some folks, some kids,

10:03

and they were getting into bad news.

10:05

They were starting to sniff gas

10:07

in the, and this is like

10:09

we're 12 years old, sniff gas,

10:11

and doing some things stealing like

10:13

a neighbor's car when they're out

10:15

of town and driving it around.

10:17

And I remember one day,

10:20

I don't remember exactly, I

10:22

just remember something dawned on

10:24

me. And they were all messing around

10:26

and drinking and I just slowly

10:28

turned around. And we used to cut

10:31

through the yards, people's yards, you know,

10:33

because the neighborhood, you just go out

10:35

until 10 p.m. and do whatever you

10:37

want. It was safe. And I jumped

10:39

over one fence and went new yard,

10:41

jumped over the other fence to a

10:43

street, and then I walked home, and I

10:45

never looked back, and I said, I knew something

10:47

in me said, you can't hang out with

10:49

this crowd. Yeah. My parents didn't say, don't

10:52

do, I don't want you doing that, they,

10:54

they didn't know anything. I didn't know

10:56

anything. I knew that this was going to

10:58

be a bad idea. to continue hanging out

11:00

with these people. And funny enough,

11:03

my mom, the only person she ever

11:05

lets spend the night at my house

11:07

because she loved this kid's family, she

11:09

let this one kid spend the night

11:11

and I never got a chance to

11:14

have friends spend the night, but she

11:16

goes, he could spend the night. And

11:18

I was like, okay. Fast forward about

11:20

five years, he's in prison for

11:22

life for, for killing a man. Yeah.

11:25

That one friend I was allowed to

11:27

have spent the night. Yeah, yeah. But

11:29

I think my point is like, you

11:31

know, I don't know if serial killers,

11:33

I don't know if people who end

11:35

up murdering people have that ability

11:38

to say, hey, I'm not gonna, this is,

11:40

this is not right. You know what I

11:42

mean? Yeah. So I think that's part of

11:44

it. Yeah, I don't know. It was such

11:47

a part of the culture of

11:49

it, you know, and then all

11:51

these years later, you know, I

11:53

couldn't, I can talk about. I

11:56

couldn't watch it, I couldn't listen

11:58

to it. I just completely... disengaged.

12:01

And then when I was 23,

12:03

yeah, I was a theater actor

12:05

in Toronto and I had been

12:07

there for a while and there

12:09

was an audition for a hockey

12:11

movie. Miracle. Mystery Alaska. Mystery

12:14

Alaska. Yeah. And I went,

12:16

I did four auditions and

12:18

then they were like, okay,

12:21

well, the final edition is

12:23

on the ice. Can you play

12:25

hockey? And I was like, well,

12:27

I'm from Thunder Bay. And they

12:29

were like, yeah, but can you play hockey?

12:31

I was like, oh, yeah, you guys are

12:33

from LA. Thunder Bay, if you come from

12:36

Thunder Bay, everybody plays hockey. You know what

12:38

I mean? But you haven't played for a

12:40

long time. I hadn't. So I went to

12:42

play it again sports, you know,

12:45

spent like 60 bucks, got

12:47

equipment. And I would go

12:49

out to Nathan Phillips Square.

12:51

Do you know Nathan Phillips

12:53

Square? They have a skating

12:55

rink during the winter. It's

12:57

right in front of the

12:59

city hall. And I would

13:01

go at night time because

13:03

no one was there. And

13:05

I would play from like

13:07

11 p.m. till about two

13:09

or three. For how long

13:11

before this final? I had

13:13

a couple weeks. And then

13:16

I went on the ice and

13:18

yeah, I was I was gonna go

13:20

play. I was. My dad was getting

13:22

calls from Kitchener Rangers and the Windsor

13:25

Spitfires and a bunch of junior A

13:27

teams, they had started to talk to

13:29

us like when I was really young.

13:31

I was, yeah, I was a big

13:33

boy, but I could skate. I mean,

13:36

I've been skating my whole life. But

13:38

were you pumped that you were, I

13:40

mean, ironically, I guess you're in your

13:42

first movie, I guess your big movie

13:45

is like mystery Alaska hockey movie.

13:47

Well, I mean, hockey was my

13:49

dream and then after that crumpled,

13:51

I really had this thing deep inside

13:53

me that was like, God, I swear.

13:55

I swear if I had a chance

13:57

at this acting thing. Like I think...

14:00

I think it's just I'll do

14:02

whatever. I'll do whatever. You

14:04

love that you were a passionate

14:06

beyond. Oh, whatever it takes. Are

14:09

you still like that? Every

14:11

single day. Every day. I'm, I,

14:13

I'm, you, if you go to any set

14:15

and you ask who's the happiest

14:18

guy on the set, like I

14:20

would, I would gauge that most

14:22

people would go. I don't know

14:24

what drugs that guys

14:26

that guys on, but he's.

14:29

Happy. And you probably don't

14:31

do any drugs. Not really.

14:34

No, I mean, I enjoy

14:36

cannabis to sell degrees. If

14:39

that's considered a drug. But

14:41

I don't drink. But you're

14:44

happy. You're high on

14:46

life. You've kind of always

14:48

been that guy. I am

14:50

pretty happy. Go lucky. But

14:52

a lot of that happiness

14:55

comes from a choice. So

14:57

I work. to achieve that

14:59

level of happiness? I

15:01

mean, do you get

15:04

depressed? Do you get

15:06

anxiety? Do you get

15:08

sad? I'm medicated. I

15:10

had severe anxiety, you

15:13

know, and which would

15:15

sometimes take me down the

15:17

OCD road and I would

15:19

get pretty low. It was

15:21

happening a lot. once I

15:23

had my first daughter and

15:25

I would have to spend

15:28

so much time away from

15:30

her and all of this stuff

15:32

just surfaced and I'd be like

15:34

in Puerto Rico living at a

15:36

hotel on the beach and I

15:39

couldn't leave my room and like

15:41

it got really bad so like

15:43

I I figured out how to

15:45

you it was crippling 100% I

15:47

mean between action and cut. No

15:50

one ever knew, the only person who

15:52

knew was my wife. And then I

15:54

realized that at some point, I was

15:56

like, I am putting way too much

15:59

on her shoulders. And, uh,

16:02

yeah, I got some help, um, but

16:04

along with that help, I, I,

16:06

uh, like I started my days, uh,

16:08

you know, get the girls ready

16:10

for school, take them to school. And

16:13

then I get right into my

16:15

cold plunge, have a 400 % dopamine,

16:17

uh, push, I do my breath work

16:19

and then I train my ass

16:21

off. Um, there's a lot of things

16:23

that I do to get myself

16:25

to that. Place where I can just

16:27

be present and, and, and my

16:29

true self is, you know, it's, but

16:31

I have to do the work.

16:33

But a lot, a lot of people

16:35

will see, know, and now it's

16:37

like, uh, they don't look down, you

16:40

know, on therapy as much. I

16:42

always talk about therapy and how important

16:44

it is. And, you know, uh,

16:46

some people need medication. I do. And

16:48

that's, listen, my whole life, I

16:50

was crippled with anxiety and riddled with

16:52

anxiety. And, um, you know, I

16:54

didn't realize all these things that I

16:56

have, but they, they were around

16:58

since I was young and I thought

17:00

it was normal. And it became

17:02

this thing. And I go, I can't

17:05

live like this. I can't, I

17:07

can't be anxious about everything. I can't

17:09

be stressed about everything. It was

17:11

a cyclical. It kept going. And it

17:13

wasn't until like probably two years

17:15

ago. Because

17:17

again, like you said, nobody knew

17:19

really a lot about my anxiety

17:21

except a few people. Because you're

17:24

a great actor. Before this, yeah,

17:26

before this pot, well, before this

17:28

podcast, I didn't talk about it.

17:30

And then I started opening up

17:32

and, you know, look, every drugs

17:34

work differently for everybody. So I'm

17:36

like, Lexapro works for me. And

17:39

I'm not telling you to get

17:41

on Lexapro because it could be

17:43

horrible for you because other drugs

17:45

don't did it. It didn't, it

17:47

didn't work as well for me.

17:49

Right. But you do something else.

17:51

Paxil. Paxil. So you're right. And

17:54

Paxil didn't work for me. That's

17:56

what I'm saying. We're just so,

17:58

everybody's just so, as much as

18:00

we are the same, you know,

18:02

the chemical process is in the.

18:04

brain are very so much from human to human. It's gotten me

18:06

to be quite obsessive.

18:09

I've become like a

18:11

bit of a neurology

18:14

hobbyist. Partially because I

18:16

started to, I wrote a

18:18

script about this aging

18:20

hockey player who's just

18:23

on this incredibly

18:25

slippery slope and

18:27

just cannot. get

18:30

it together and he has to figure

18:32

out how to get it together for his

18:34

daughter because he's only allowed to see

18:36

her through. Is that a film? Yeah,

18:38

I wrote it. I'm directing it next

18:41

year. That's amazing. I wrote it for

18:43

this actor named Kevin Durand.

18:45

Not the basketball player, but

18:47

he kind of looks like

18:49

you on Musk. So everyone's

18:52

really fucking confused. Everyone's so

18:54

confused. No. Lately,

18:57

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guarantees. Well, if you need a

20:53

buddy who plays hockey. Dude. Let

20:55

me know. We're about the same

20:57

age. No, I'm not like a

21:00

okay, I'm like a decent player.

21:02

Awesome. No, I could top corner

21:04

from the center eye snapshot.

21:07

I love it. I'm in.

21:09

Well, that's hardcore. Yeah, if

21:11

you need somebody. I honestly,

21:13

I'm I'm pretty, I just

21:15

get back on on my

21:17

skates again. I, I was, I

21:19

went up to 295 pounds. How

21:21

much you weigh now? I'm about 255,

21:23

260, but I want to six

21:25

six. Yeah. But I went to

21:28

295 because I was going to

21:30

play Holkogan in this fucking great.

21:32

Oh, you'd be perfect! It was

21:34

a great, it was a great

21:36

script. I was so excited, great

21:38

cast. What happened? The director

21:40

of Seth Gordon pulled out to

21:42

do something else, which was a

21:45

real bummer because I had spent

21:47

11 months putting the weight on

21:49

and figuring out all the idiosyncras.

21:51

It was, I had it down.

21:53

I spent every morning in my

21:55

gym in my gym. with

21:57

these whole.

22:00

documentaries on

22:02

one of them

22:04

I almost have

22:06

completely memorized and

22:08

idiosyncratically the timber of the

22:10

voice everything I had. Give

22:13

me a little hulk. Oh gosh

22:15

it's been a while. It was

22:17

it was less hulk Hogan.

22:19

It was more like Terry

22:21

Bleeo. Oh yeah I figured

22:23

this thing out and I

22:26

had studied his spine. because

22:28

his spine was so

22:30

severely damaged he had

22:33

gone through 17 back

22:35

surgeries and when you

22:37

look at the base of

22:39

his spine how it interacts

22:42

with his hips I

22:44

don't know how he's walking

22:46

so if you really look

22:48

at him yeah Like

22:51

such an amazing character. I was so

22:53

shy and and yeah, they pulled out

22:55

and did you get paid it all

22:57

for anything You know how excited?

23:00

You know how excited we get

23:02

when something? Looks so good that

23:04

it's like okay. Yeah. Don't worry.

23:06

We'll deal with the money later.

23:08

Yeah. I'm just gonna get ready

23:10

for this part. There's nothing I

23:12

wanted more than to play Terry

23:14

and I know that Hemsworth was

23:17

going to do this big biopic.

23:19

This was about a specific moment

23:21

in time. It was called Killing Gocker.

23:24

It's great script. Still out there.

23:26

I don't know. I don't know what's

23:28

happening with it. Did Seth or anybody

23:30

call you up and say, hey? Yeah.

23:33

He had developed the project for

23:35

Netflix that he probably made a gazillion

23:37

dollars for. I don't blame them for

23:39

it. And you audition for it? I

23:42

met with them. And apparently a lot

23:44

of like A-listers really wanted to

23:46

play them. And then when I walked

23:48

in, I went in kind of going,

23:51

okay, let's talk about the psychological

23:53

ramifications of what he's fucking

23:55

going through right now, because

23:57

this is right when the

23:59

second. tape, it's a whole sex tape

24:01

about Gawker taking down Gawker.com with Peter Thiel

24:03

and Matt Bomer was going to play

24:05

Peter Thiel and it was like is phenomenal.

24:08

I'm so bummed like I'm listening to

24:10

this right now. And I'm like, I think

24:12

I'm more bummed than you. I'm heartbroken. Yeah.

24:16

Yeah. But maybe it'll come

24:18

back around. It'll come back. I

24:20

mean, it's it's like older Hogan.

24:22

So I'm still a tiny bit

24:24

younger than it was when this happened. Hold

24:27

again. Hold again. Hold

24:30

Hogan. But my whole point to telling

24:32

you that story was that I was at

24:34

290 and I was like, OK, I

24:36

better start thinking about the hockey player, which

24:38

is the name of my script. So

24:40

I went out onto the ice and my

24:42

my skates were

24:44

like a hot knife through

24:46

butter. It was like

24:48

so heavy that like I was catching

24:50

edges. And I was like, oh,

24:52

this might be dangerous. And then I

24:55

went down pretty hard on the on a

24:57

give and go. Guy gave it back to me. You

24:59

know, I was lined it up, put it top corner. But

25:02

I was like, what was that pop? And

25:04

yeah, it was my it

25:07

was my meniscus. And

25:09

now is it. I had

25:11

to rehab for now

25:13

it's stronger than it's

25:16

ever been. But it's like

25:18

I'm OK for the hockey player, but Terry

25:20

Balea is gone right now. Well, you gained

25:22

45 pounds for a role. It doesn't happen. You

25:24

get back on the ice to work in

25:26

this other project and you hurt yourself because you

25:28

had gained so much weight for this other

25:30

part that didn't happen. What the fuck? It's just

25:33

not cool, right? No, let's get into other

25:35

stuff. I mean, first of all, you say

25:37

how much you love acting like

25:39

you just like you live. I could

25:41

see it and you never

25:43

lost that. You still love being on

25:45

set. You don't mind the 1214 hours.

25:47

You're in it to win it. I

25:50

love it with every cell in my

25:52

body. But I think a lot

25:54

of the prep for that is understanding

25:56

that if I wasn't doing this for a

25:58

living, I wasn't. I

26:00

wasn't a great student.

26:03

You're looking at

26:05

the mirror here. Right? Like,

26:07

I mean, I did not

26:09

like school. And my father

26:12

is like 11th generation

26:15

lumberjack. Like I

26:17

would have ended up

26:19

working with my hands,

26:22

which would have been

26:24

really detrimental to anyone

26:27

who worked with me.

26:29

Like I'm very untalented when it comes to

26:31

like building things my father has this innate

26:33

He's part of that generation where it's like

26:36

looks at something is like okay I could

26:38

build that he could look at my truck

26:40

and go I could build that like he's

26:42

just I have none of that I could

26:44

change my oil in the car dude I

26:47

can't I can't change a tire I

26:49

could put chains on I could do

26:51

stuff like that but I can't build

26:53

you know I have to brag Michael

26:55

Well, but no, nobody needs you to

26:57

do these things anymore. All these electric

26:59

cars are around. I know, but that's

27:02

that's how I found. So I was like,

27:04

I know that in a very thin slice

27:06

of life that I would be

27:08

welding pickets in like 50 below

27:10

and Thunder Bay and, and, you

27:12

know, I think I would still be

27:15

happy to some degree because I

27:17

would find joy and other things,

27:19

but I could live. I get

27:21

to live my dream, you

27:23

know? Yeah, yeah. And even

27:25

when I look at hockey

27:28

now in retrospect, I'm like, had

27:30

I made it? How long would

27:32

I have made it for? And

27:34

how much life after that would

27:36

I have had trying to figure

27:39

out what the hell do I

27:41

do now? Whereas with this job,

27:43

I'm trying to figure out how

27:46

to live as long as I

27:48

possibly can so I could be

27:50

there. aging to these characters. I love

27:52

I love I love it. I love it.

27:54

I you know, it's funny because you say

27:56

you've always dreamt of this. This

27:58

is like something here. It's

28:00

weird for me when I hear

28:02

that, I always think of myself

28:04

and I think, did I always

28:06

dream this or did I fall

28:08

into it? Cause it was the

28:11

only thing that kind of people

28:13

accepted me for and I was

28:15

able to be good at and

28:17

made money. And now do I still

28:19

look at it as a dream? I

28:21

look at it as maybe it

28:23

was a great dream that I've

28:25

lived and I

28:27

still want to dabble

28:29

in it, but I'm not, I don't have the

28:31

passion I did. You look, I love being

28:33

on set. I love talking with the crew and

28:35

becoming, you know, I'm always best friends with

28:38

the crew. I always love trying stuff. I'm always

28:40

going to give you different stuff. But

28:42

I think unless it's something

28:45

I'm absolutely passionate about, if

28:47

it's just, it just doesn't, I

28:50

don't want to be on set for 12

28:52

or 14 hours for something I A, don't

28:54

believe in. I don't think, I don't think

28:56

this is going to be a success. I

28:58

don't think this will be a success, but

29:00

I don't believe in the material and I

29:02

would never watch this. I'm trying to like,

29:04

and I'm lucky, but I, but dream I'm still

29:06

trying to think, is this what I'm

29:08

destined to do? Because I'm, I have

29:10

ADD massively and I do so many

29:12

different things, whether I'm good at them

29:15

or bad, then I want to try

29:17

things. And if I can make money

29:19

at them, great. And if I can't

29:21

find, but I'm in that stage where,

29:23

look, if Spielberg fucking sent me a

29:25

letter and said, I don't want you,

29:27

I wouldn't hesitate, but like it most

29:29

things don't appeal to me now as

29:31

much as they used to. There's great

29:33

power in that. Maybe, maybe. I think

29:36

great. My agent thinks there's, agent thinks

29:38

there's not. He's like, you're going to

29:40

become irrelevant. Well, that's. to become irrelevant.

29:42

I go, I'm not. I always have

29:44

the chops. I'll be there. Your agent

29:46

wants to make money. So it's like, you

29:48

know, like that's, that's how I, you

29:50

know. It's true. Agents are great. I

29:52

mean, I've had 1 ,700 of

29:54

them since I've moved to

29:56

LA. It's like, it's

29:59

like no disrespect. back to agents,

30:01

you know, grateful, but you

30:03

have to follow your heart.

30:05

And if you're, if

30:08

you're, if you're being

30:10

drawn all these different

30:12

things, how awesome is that? You

30:14

know, I mean, for me, it's

30:16

like the only addition to

30:18

the acting that has occurred

30:20

is because I'm trying to

30:23

create. roles for myself

30:25

that no one's giving me

30:27

a shot at because they

30:29

see they see a size

30:32

they see a power they

30:34

see it and you have

30:36

so much more to offer

30:38

I certainly think so and

30:40

as I age I'm as

30:43

I've been stepping into that

30:45

realm of like writing

30:47

stories better roles

30:49

have been coming but

30:52

at the same time I only

30:54

want to do those things so

30:56

that I could act more. Right.

30:58

Yeah. That's all I want to

31:00

do. What is, I know we're

31:02

changing gears here, but what, how

31:05

do you audition for Proximus

31:07

Caesar? How do you audition

31:09

for Kingdom of the Planet

31:12

of the Apes? A huge franchise,

31:14

one of the biggest. How does

31:16

that happen? My manager. At

31:19

the time I was, I was part

31:21

of that. I see him. I see him.

31:23

Take over by CAA. Yeah, I

31:25

was there too. Okay. They're like

31:27

who we want to keep you

31:29

and then they never they never

31:31

call never I'm I'm I'm calling

31:33

them out right now never anything

31:35

happened to me. They didn't care.

31:38

They didn't believe in me. My

31:40

manager who does believe in me.

31:42

Thank God both of them got

31:44

me the audition for eight and she

31:46

she she sent it to me and I

31:48

was like was a lot of lines.

31:50

Yeah Yeah, it was. Approximus is incredibly

31:53

verbose. Species. Yeah. The most

31:55

verbose in this world to

31:57

this point. And you memorize?

31:59

all of it? Yep, yep,

32:02

I did. I just wanted

32:04

to, I didn't even want

32:06

to get into the

32:08

simian aspect of it

32:11

because I understood that that

32:13

was going to be a

32:15

whole other tan of worms.

32:17

So I just played

32:19

the scene. With a voice, the

32:22

voice that you used? I was

32:24

doing more of like

32:27

a mid-Atlantic accent. and

32:29

just gave it power and

32:31

humor of... Physicality?

32:34

I was sitting the whole

32:36

time. But once I got the

32:38

scene to a point where I watched

32:40

it, I was like, that's

32:42

compelling. That's good. Then I

32:45

knew that I had this ace

32:47

up my sleeve, which was, I've

32:49

been obsessed with ape since

32:51

I was a child. And so...

32:53

You know, at six. That's how you

32:56

started acting. You wanted, you watched

32:58

Planet of the Apes. Yeah, I

33:00

saw that story. Yeah, about your

33:03

mom. Like, how is that? There's

33:05

people inside there. Exactly. And you're

33:07

like, what? And you're like, you know, this

33:09

is what I want to do. Yeah. Yeah.

33:11

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So go ahead. So my

33:14

ace up my sleeve was that I set

33:16

up a camera at the end of this

33:18

long hallway in my house and there were

33:20

no. And then I just told her to

33:23

leave it for a bit. So about

33:25

five, six seconds go by.

33:27

And then out of nowhere, I

33:29

fucking do this crazy apron up

33:31

to the camera, right? And I

33:33

pop up and kind of like a,

33:35

what I envisioned a, them was like.

33:37

I can see it. Did the thing?

33:39

And I was flexing, I was like,

33:41

I still had a shirt on. I

33:43

had a shirt on, but I had

33:45

the hulkegan weight on. So like I

33:47

was like about 285. Like then,

33:50

I was just dropping

33:52

and I just slated

33:54

and then they called

33:56

pretty quick after and

33:58

I'm so lucky. You got

34:00

the part you didn't have to

34:02

go in again? No, I met.

34:05

I took a meeting and yeah,

34:07

the meeting was, it was more

34:09

like, it felt, as the

34:11

meeting was going, because you

34:13

never know what you're gonna

34:16

get from a meeting, like

34:18

you're kind of like trying

34:20

to sell yourself, but it

34:22

almost felt like they were

34:25

trying to sell me on the

34:27

world. I was like, holy shit,

34:29

like you guys don't realize,

34:31

like, I'll, like, I want to

34:34

fucking, I really want to do

34:36

this, like, but, like, if you

34:39

want me, let's go. Yeah, yeah.

34:41

So that's kind of how it

34:43

came down, and then, yeah, and

34:46

then I just started working more

34:48

on my flexibility and stuff, and

34:50

then when I got there, we

34:53

did like, five weeks, eight,

34:55

eight school, and everything's. It

34:57

was very, it was very natural

34:59

for me. Really? I wasn't

35:02

sore. Being a hockey player,

35:04

you're always in that crouch,

35:06

right? Yeah. You're always in that

35:08

crouch your whole life. So you're

35:10

used to being in that crouch.

35:13

And then I spent, I've been

35:15

spending tons of time stretching for

35:17

years and years. So like my

35:20

body liked it, like, almost liked

35:22

it better. Yeah. Did they ask

35:24

you to, like, like, Find your voice,

35:26

find the gruff, find the, how

35:29

did you find that, that like,

35:31

you know, that whole thing? I

35:33

didn't know that was going to

35:35

be it. We had gotten about

35:37

four weeks in Aip School and

35:39

it was just me and this

35:41

fellow by the name of Alencottier

35:43

who was like one of the

35:46

founders of Sir Salé and he

35:48

left Sirk to come and work

35:50

with us. And he started asking

35:52

me questions. because I started feeling

35:54

like I was finding the body

35:57

and through all it's neat because

35:59

they do did the same anatomical

36:02

work as I had been doing for

36:04

Hulk Oaken. So I was like,

36:06

oh, this is really neat that

36:08

you guys are doing this because

36:11

I was just doing this for

36:13

this. And I had never done

36:15

that to that level before.

36:17

And he just asked me

36:20

a question. And I just went,

36:22

I feel very good. And he

36:24

was like, what a wonderful day.

36:27

And he was just like, Do

36:29

that again. Can you stay in

36:31

that? I was like, I could

36:33

talk like this all day. It

36:35

just became this thing and

36:38

showed it to Wes, who's

36:40

an amazing world builder,

36:42

and he sat with me and

36:44

he was like, I love this.

36:47

He's like, now I want you

36:49

to think more about the

36:51

anatomy. And so I went

36:53

and studied the anatomy

36:55

of like the. the throat, the

36:57

trachea, the sound box and everything

37:00

and tried to figure out. And

37:02

I was like, man, getting human sounds

37:04

out of that seems like that would

37:06

be really hard. So I wanted to work

37:08

for it. So I had to be off

37:10

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37:13

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37:15

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37:17

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expecting that man. What a wonderful

40:34

day. You know, it's like, when

40:36

you first saw yourself on screen,

40:38

as this ape, as, as, uh,

40:41

proximus, did you get

40:43

goosebumps? Wes brought me in to

40:45

do some, oh, I didn't know

40:47

anything about the trailer or

40:49

anything. So when he brought

40:51

me into the ADR, He goes

40:54

I gotta go make a phone

40:56

call but I'm gonna play you

40:58

a little bit and and I

41:00

stood there and It wasn't

41:03

until the end of

41:05

it like my body

41:07

was shaking my tears

41:09

coming down because finally

41:11

My biggest thing that I

41:13

always loved was Getting

41:15

away from me and being

41:18

something new and this was

41:20

the greatest immersive

41:22

experience I had

41:24

ever had. So

41:26

your kid's seen it?

41:28

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't

41:31

think I would have taken

41:33

them, but my wife took

41:35

them while I was away

41:37

to impress. And because

41:40

my eight-year-old

41:42

is, she's the real little

41:45

artist, storyteller.

41:48

And she flipped out

41:50

at the end. was so like

41:52

she was beyond unhappy she

41:54

was so distressed. Oh, what

41:56

happened to you? Because she

41:59

wasn't seeing. approximately she was seeing

42:01

me because she had been, she sees

42:03

me walking around the house like that

42:05

all the time and speaking in that

42:07

voice and I play with them like

42:09

that. And so, even though there was

42:11

that great work that Wetta added on,

42:14

she didn't do so well with that. Oh,

42:16

man. So I don't know, maybe when she's

42:18

older. To do a part like that is

42:20

just, I mean, because you've done so much.

42:22

I remember the first time I saw you

42:24

was in Lost. And I just remember,

42:27

who's this guy. Actually, smoke

42:29

and aces, I think, because you

42:31

played a neo-Nazi in that, right?

42:34

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember

42:36

seeing that, I go, God, this

42:38

guy's got so much presence. Then

42:41

I saw you in loss, I was like,

42:43

oh, that guy, yeah. And then

42:45

it's like, and you wonder sometimes

42:47

it's like, I thought you were

42:49

a lot like me in a

42:51

sense that people will go,

42:53

I think I've seen more now.

42:55

What did they notice you from?

42:58

The strain it's kind of all

43:00

over the map now, which is really

43:02

cool. Yeah, it's nice like I'm Dark

43:04

Angel everything I mean yeah Abigail. Yeah,

43:07

yeah, yeah, you know what I first

43:09

saw you in what pool hall junkies

43:11

I'm surprised you weren't in that role

43:13

dude. I saw that movie and I was

43:15

like because you could it kind

43:18

of resemble Mars a little bit

43:20

back then I was like look at these

43:22

guys like I was just so

43:24

impressed so impressed with you guys

43:26

like because walk in is like like

43:29

a god right by the way your story

43:31

the flash story oh people use that story

43:33

now I use that story I I seriously

43:35

like I and I and I and I

43:38

say that it's from you and I think

43:40

he's done that with someone else because someone

43:42

else they said that was their story and

43:44

I'm like what are you talking about I

43:47

didn't say it was my story no no

43:49

you could do that though I said it's

43:51

set like it happened to them such a

43:53

good The way you tell it to, it's

43:56

so good. So like I, I, I, you

43:58

know, I've used that a bunch. at times

44:00

because I have a bunch of walk-in stories

44:02

that I've heard through the great fine and

44:04

it's just like it's like call me flash

44:07

oh yeah yeah anyway but um you know

44:09

that movie Puyah junkies which I like

44:11

and a lot of people like that

44:13

movie I like and a lot of

44:15

people like that movie I like that

44:17

my co-star from Smallwell Welling loves that

44:19

movie yeah but I got a call the

44:22

night before at about five o'clock in the

44:24

evening and it was my agent saying

44:26

hey the director for this movie wants to

44:28

call you And I go, what movie?

44:30

Like they're shooting a movie

44:32

in Utah, it's called Pool All Junkies,

44:34

you know, blah, blah, blah. And I

44:37

go, okay. And so the director calls

44:39

me, Mars calls me, he goes,

44:41

hey man, I like your work.

44:43

And I'm just wondering if, you

44:45

know, you'd be interested in doing

44:47

this movie, playing my brother in

44:49

this pool movie. And I go,

44:51

yeah, I would totally be interested, man.

44:53

He goes, well, here's the deal.

44:56

You're seeing shoots first up first

44:58

up tomorrow. in

45:00

Utah. And I go, my heart starts

45:03

pounding. I go, I, I, I, I

45:05

can't, you know, I haven't read the

45:07

script. He's like, listen, man, it's chas,

45:09

palmentary, Christopher Walkin, Rod Stiger,

45:11

I go, I'm in, and

45:14

they just messaged, messingered

45:16

me a script, and I tried to

45:19

learn the lines that night. Like

45:21

when you had paper scripts, paper

45:23

scripts, and I flew first thing

45:25

in the morning, and I went

45:27

right to set to set. on the

45:30

first flight, and they pushed everything,

45:32

and I shot, they shot some exterior

45:34

and stuff before I showed up,

45:36

and I walked in going, oh,

45:38

you're my brother, okay, here we

45:41

go, we're going to shoot a

45:43

scene together. And I remember, even

45:45

when I watched that scene, I go, oh my God,

45:47

you're so nervous in that scene. That's okay. And I notice,

45:49

even when I watched that scene, I go, oh my God,

45:51

you're so nervous in that scene. I mean, can you wait

45:53

a day or two? I was like,

45:56

no, dude, we're, you know, shoestring

45:58

budget. We have no money.

46:00

We all the money went to

46:02

walk in for his three

46:04

days of work, you know, where

46:06

he does the lion speech

46:08

and, you know, uh, they at

46:11

least this thing on lions,

46:13

the discovery channel, the

46:15

lion, he sits there,

46:17

you know, the

46:19

hyenas start on Adam, the

46:22

lioness. He's, she's all

46:24

over the cubs

46:26

and he just lets it go. But

46:29

one day he gets

46:31

up and he

46:33

tears through everything. Runs like

46:36

the wind. Sometimes

46:39

you have to show the world that you're

46:42

a lion. Something

46:44

like that. It's some speech like that.

46:46

So good. But, um, well, look,

46:48

I mean, you've done so many things.

46:50

Do you go to cons and

46:53

get, uh, do you autograph signings? I

46:55

just, you'd be huge.

46:57

I just did my first

46:59

two. Um, where, uh,

47:01

I did fan expo. No,

47:05

I did

47:07

Texas horror hound. Yeah,

47:10

I heard of that. And then

47:12

I did. Mountain

47:17

view, mountain valley, mountain valley terror. I

47:19

don't know. My God, I'm so sorry.

47:21

It doesn't matter. It's like, you forget,

47:23

but, but you, how were you? How

47:25

was the response and how did you

47:27

like it? I

47:31

actually really loved it. Like

47:33

I, I didn't expect to love

47:35

it the way that I did. And I, they

47:37

had been asking me for a while. Right. And

47:39

I just, um, I just thought, oh, I don't

47:41

know. I'm just, I don't know. You know, back

47:43

when I was younger, was like, I'm just a

47:45

craftsman and I just, like,

47:49

fuck off. Like, it was, it was the best thing ever.

47:51

It was, it was the best. I'm going to go do

47:53

some more. Um, um,

47:55

yeah. I mean, you have pictures on

47:57

your table. You must have 10 different

47:59

moves. used for projects you've been in, you

48:02

know what? He's got

48:05

my agent has about, uh,

48:09

I think 15 or 20

48:11

different ones. But then he, every time,

48:13

every, the first two times we

48:15

did it, he has a list of

48:17

people going, well, why don't you

48:20

have this guy? Why don't you have

48:22

this guy? And then he adds

48:24

them. And then, you know, but it's

48:26

people ask, what about that picture

48:28

for that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, because

48:30

people have generally for years and years,

48:33

they would connect

48:35

me to one character from one movie

48:37

that meant something to them. And

48:39

then they're always like, have

48:42

you ever, have you worked since? And

48:44

I'm like, well, yeah, no, I have.

48:46

I have been really, I've been really

48:48

lucky. But they, you know, they think,

48:50

and that's fine. Yeah, yeah. They, they

48:52

connected to that guy. Yeah. And that's

48:54

awesome. So it's, it's, it's kind of

48:57

fun for me to hear all this.

48:59

You know, I had a couple of

49:01

experiences with people like this one woman.

49:03

She, she came out with a family.

49:05

They drove five hours to come and

49:07

meet me. And she never leaves the

49:09

house because of her anxiety. You

49:12

can really, we had this chat

49:14

and tears were shed and hugs.

49:16

And isn't that something that's, those

49:18

moments are just beautiful moments. Those

49:20

were it's connection. Yeah. Yeah. With

49:23

real people who, for some

49:25

reason, are drawn to you

49:27

or admire your work or connected with them.

49:30

Yeah. And the fact that you connect with them.

49:32

Oh, it's like you get something from each

49:34

other. I

49:37

am so grateful for that, that

49:39

new aspect to, to my life

49:41

and being able to just go and

49:43

talk to people and hear what

49:45

they have to say, you know. And

49:47

if I could take a picture

49:49

with someone and it makes their day,

49:51

it makes their week, then wow,

49:53

that's, that's amazing. That's rare. It's like

49:55

who, you know, how many people

49:57

get to do that? How many people

49:59

get. to make an impact on someone's life.

50:01

And you don't have to do much. You

50:03

don't have to do much? It's not like

50:05

you're asked, all you have to do is talk,

50:07

talk to them. Yeah. Have a moment with them.

50:10

Yeah. Where are you from? What are you doing?

50:12

Why did you connect with this? Thanks for being

50:14

here. It's not like, and you know, it's

50:16

funny because these cons, before I started doing

50:18

cons, I was like, what is this? I

50:21

don't, but I was going to cons, like

50:23

I go to a horror movie cons, and

50:25

with my friends before I was anybody. Monster

50:27

Paluza is here in Burbank or Glendale. I

50:29

go every year, I'm not invited. I just go. Yeah,

50:32

I go as a guest. Oh, that's so awesome.

50:34

And I bring my friends. And I'm

50:36

just like, yeah, that's, that's, that's, that's,

50:38

that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's

50:40

awesome. You know. You know. You know. You know. I love

50:43

that. I love that thing. Where

50:45

do you see yourself? Everybody has

50:47

a vision of where they want

50:49

to see them. See themselves go

50:51

and be. What's your vision of

50:54

like, if your dreams came

50:56

true and you're like, they

50:58

already came true because you're already

51:00

doing it. What do you see

51:03

yourself? What movie? What actors do

51:05

you want to work with? What

51:07

kind of character would you like

51:09

to play? Besides the one that

51:12

you're writing, obviously. Maybe that's the

51:14

one. I try to be as patient with

51:16

myself as I can be and just

51:18

kind of go increment for increment

51:21

because before I used to set, the

51:23

bar was just so high with like

51:25

some of my friends, like my

51:27

mentors that... You know, I was

51:29

like, okay, when he did this

51:32

by this time, what am I

51:34

doing? And then you, when you

51:36

put yourself on other

51:38

people's schedules, there's

51:40

nothing more detrimental

51:42

that you could do to

51:45

yourself because we're all on our

51:47

own time. Yeah. My dream

51:49

has always been to to take

51:51

it as far as I possibly

51:53

can. I want to be

51:55

able to. Carry.

52:00

much more weight within narratives.

52:02

I'm cool with not being the lead

52:04

all the time. That's not what I

52:06

mean. I just want the opportunity

52:09

to continue to flesh out

52:11

great characters and great stories,

52:13

the greatest stories that I

52:15

could possibly tell the greatest

52:17

characters that I could possibly

52:19

play, and hopefully with the

52:21

greatest people possible. You know,

52:23

the goal is, you know,

52:25

I was telling people when

52:27

I was... you know, 17 waiting tables

52:29

and bouncing at Perkins and Thunder Bay.

52:32

I was the night shift guy and,

52:34

you know, I would wait tables and

52:36

then if someone ran out without paying,

52:38

I'd hear Jimmy Krenopoulos, God rest his

52:41

soul, the manager, owner. He'd be like,

52:43

Kevin! And then I would run to

52:45

the front and he'd be like, like,

52:47

this table just ran out blah blah

52:50

blah and I would go and like,

52:52

I did whatever I could to get

52:54

enough money. so that I could go

52:56

to theater school. And then I realized

52:59

theater school was a big whack of

53:01

crap for me. It didn't do anything

53:03

for me. So I just hit the

53:05

ground running. My goal was always

53:07

to go after the Golden Conch. Go,

53:10

go. I used to tell people, I

53:12

won't tell you what I was telling

53:14

people, but people thought I was nuts.

53:17

And now when people see me, they're

53:19

like, man, you're actually going

53:21

to get there. I'm going, that's

53:23

where I'm going. That's where I'm going.

53:25

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53:27

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Thanks. It's so funny you say

55:17

that. Yeah, I remember this girl,

55:19

Alexis Combs. She was, I was good

55:21

friends of there and her dad

55:23

was like one of the heads

55:25

of the theater department in college

55:27

and... He was a mentor to

55:29

me, he was awesome, wit. But we

55:32

were sitting on the stairs right outside

55:34

this building where she lived

55:36

this apartment. And we're just sitting

55:39

there and having a drink or

55:41

whatever. And I was going to New

55:43

York, you know, to be an actor to pursue

55:45

it. And she goes, aren't you nervous?

55:48

Aren't you like, and I remember

55:50

I go, I remember saying this

55:52

to her, I remember going, Alexis,

55:54

please, please remember this. I

55:58

am going to make it. There's

56:00

no doubt about it. There's do

56:02

not ever worry about me. Like I

56:04

already know I'm gonna make it

56:06

I'm aware I'm so I was

56:08

so hyper aware and confident and

56:10

I saw it and it was

56:12

tangible that I didn't look at

56:15

odds and I wish I had

56:17

that same guy's mentality now because

56:19

that was just Like what do

56:21

you call it? False bravado, but it

56:23

but it wasn't it was like I

56:25

knew it was energy and I and

56:27

I told I go don't Forget

56:29

this moment because I'm telling you.

56:31

Yeah, it's gonna happen. Yeah, and

56:33

I wasn't bullshitting her at all. Yeah,

56:35

and I believe If you don't have

56:38

that feeling inside you yeah,

56:40

don't in something don't don't don't

56:42

do it. If you're thinking I don't

56:44

know I'll give it a year. I

56:46

was there was no doubt in my

56:48

mind. I think that's a lot of

56:50

profession if you're gonna do something You

56:52

got to believe you're going to do

56:55

it. Oh, hell yeah. And believe and

56:57

want and dream and all those things.

56:59

And I, you know, I was lucky

57:01

enough to have that as a kid. And

57:04

I think my, um, what, what got me

57:06

there was, you know, a lot of stuff

57:08

as a child, like not getting

57:10

certain things not, wasn't no one

57:12

believed in me, no one thought

57:15

I'd amount to much. And it

57:17

was about proving yourself. Yeah. And

57:19

showing the world. And I think

57:21

I needed that. you know, sob

57:24

story, like all that stuff just

57:26

builds you. If you feel

57:28

like you've lost that

57:30

a bit, it's probably

57:32

because you're too smart,

57:34

because your brain over the

57:37

years. No, I can tell

57:39

you're a very intelligent

57:42

person. I have a certain

57:44

level of ignorance,

57:46

like it's really my bliss.

57:48

And if I have a dream,

57:51

nothing. can stop it. And

57:53

it might take me a

57:55

lifetime. But I'm going to

57:57

get that. There's not...

58:00

There's no question. There's

58:02

also no rush. So

58:04

everything. I don't know. Some people

58:06

are like, come on. I know,

58:09

but at the same time, you

58:11

got to understand like, you know,

58:13

you can't let it, I've been

58:15

in that place where it's

58:17

driving, it drives me so insane

58:20

that I can't see anything

58:22

else. Yeah. And when I was

58:24

in that place. My

58:26

joy for life suffered

58:28

so profoundly that I

58:30

needed to learn how to

58:33

trust in the long game. And

58:35

you know, like every day,

58:37

and when I do my

58:40

breathwork and my meditations, I

58:42

have my, I start with like,

58:44

like in my breath holds,

58:46

I go into this space

58:49

where I first think of

58:51

all the things that I'm

58:53

grateful for. It just feeds me

58:55

so much. And then I go

58:57

into all the things that I'm

59:00

grateful for that are going to

59:02

happen. And it's not a

59:04

question as to how am I

59:06

going to make it happen? It

59:08

doesn't matter. It's going to

59:11

happen. And so my whole, like

59:13

I've been doing that for quite

59:15

a while. And like, everything

59:17

ends up coming to

59:19

fruition. It's just not being

59:22

too definitive about how.

59:24

It's going to happen. I'm

59:26

going to get there and when?

59:28

But every day I'm getting

59:30

there. And every day that I

59:32

get to live and breathe as

59:35

a human being and now as

59:37

a father and as a husband

59:39

and neighbor and you know, just

59:42

a fellow citizen of the planet

59:44

Earth. Yeah. I'm getting better. We're

59:46

all getting better if you

59:48

just allow. Yeah. And if you want

59:50

to get better, if you want to get

59:53

better, yes, you want to be a better

59:55

person. Yes, a lot of its choice, you

59:57

know, and I believe that with that

59:59

addict. it's allowed me

1:00:01

to navigate through all

1:00:04

of the, like you said, the odds, the

1:00:06

numbers and all that stuff. It's like, I

1:00:09

don't allow

1:00:11

myself to think of all

1:00:13

the things that make my

1:00:16

vision impossible because there's just too many of

1:00:18

them. I rather focus on the things that

1:00:20

make it possible. I agree. And there's some

1:00:22

things that are in my mind that I

1:00:24

don't talk about that I'm like, when

1:00:28

you say no rush, it's

1:00:30

like when I'm ready in

1:00:32

my head, I'm like, there's

1:00:34

certain things I'm like, you don't need

1:00:37

to rush. You need to fix or

1:00:39

work on certain

1:00:41

things for that

1:00:43

to be an option. Does

1:00:46

that make sense? Without telling you

1:00:48

what I'm talking about? Yeah. Like I

1:00:50

have to like, hey, it's okay

1:00:52

to take care of whatever it is

1:00:54

and do whatever it takes and then

1:00:56

to get there. I always see

1:00:58

it, I always see, okay, I'd

1:01:00

like to be there. I'd like

1:01:02

to not have this back problem

1:01:04

or not this, but let's work

1:01:06

on that and let's get

1:01:08

as healthy as we can. And

1:01:10

let's really, and then all

1:01:12

those things will happen the

1:01:14

way you want them to. But

1:01:17

patience is important too, patience is. It is,

1:01:19

because you want it now, you want it here.

1:01:21

You wanna, it's like, I

1:01:24

don't know, it's just, it's important to sort

1:01:26

of be present, like you said, be

1:01:28

present and sort of like, hey, I'm talking

1:01:30

to you right now. Ryan's right there. He's

1:01:33

there, he's always there. Oh, he is there, what the

1:01:35

hell? Ryan, where did you come from? This

1:01:39

is great. If you

1:01:41

have to think

1:01:43

of your time on The Strain,

1:01:45

you had 43 episodes. That looks

1:01:47

like it was a lot of work,

1:01:49

long nights, tons of nights, exhaustion. Was

1:01:52

it hard?

1:01:54

We couldn't keep

1:01:56

crews in Toronto,

1:01:58

The Strain. was known as

1:02:01

the strain like it was a

1:02:03

strain like no like a lot

1:02:05

of crew members didn't want to

1:02:07

work on the strain because the

1:02:09

nights yeah we had just we

1:02:11

had a lot of fratter days

1:02:13

right and for me personally this

1:02:15

fucking ball but I but basically

1:02:17

I don't show for producers it

1:02:19

wasn't easy they did an amazing

1:02:21

job I don't know how they

1:02:23

did it did an amazing job I

1:02:26

don't know how they did it I

1:02:28

did it I mean Miles Dale who

1:02:30

was our producer on there. Like he

1:02:32

would he would be able to tell

1:02:34

me at the start of the season.

1:02:36

He was like, you're going to be

1:02:39

going home on this date in five

1:02:41

months. And I'd be like, yeah, right.

1:02:43

And every year he was he made

1:02:45

it happen. Wow, that's rare. He was

1:02:48

amazing. Yeah. Now he's. Now he has

1:02:50

an Oscar on his shelf for the

1:02:52

stuff, you know, that he's done with

1:02:55

Garmo since then. And like, he's just,

1:02:57

he's one of those guys. Like, this

1:02:59

is what's going to happen. And he

1:03:02

makes it. I love that. And it's

1:03:04

so cool to get to work with

1:03:06

people like that him and Carlton

1:03:08

and Garmo and like, you know,

1:03:10

they were just such dreamers

1:03:13

that made their dreams come

1:03:15

true. Absolutely. Absolutely. Vasili. Vasili,

1:03:18

how do you, how do

1:03:20

you, yeah, Vasili, Vasili, how

1:03:22

is it like playing, fair, like

1:03:24

that? Well, you know, playing fat

1:03:26

was like, was very, it

1:03:29

was very interesting for me

1:03:31

to get to play this

1:03:33

guy, you know, because it's

1:03:35

the first time that, Germo

1:03:38

said, we did like chemistry

1:03:40

reads, me, Corey Stolin, I

1:03:42

did chemistry reads with six.

1:03:45

actresses for who is going

1:03:47

to be the love interest

1:03:49

because the love interest

1:03:52

would fluctuate between

1:03:54

both of us and and Germo

1:03:57

kept saying hey the silly

1:04:00

He doesn't show his emotions. He doesn't smile.

1:04:02

And I was like, I

1:04:04

think you're wrong. He's like, I wrote the

1:04:06

book. And I was like, I understand. I

1:04:09

understand that. Just

1:04:11

give me a little bit. Just watch.

1:04:13

Just tell me how you feel at

1:04:15

the end of the day. Cause we're just doing

1:04:17

chemistry reads. just let's just see it. And

1:04:19

I argued with him that, he's got

1:04:22

all these journals throughout all the books

1:04:24

where he's talking about how like

1:04:26

he's coming into fruition. And he's like,

1:04:28

the world's falling apart

1:04:30

all around him. But his

1:04:32

purpose has risen

1:04:35

to a place where he's

1:04:37

become one of the most important people

1:04:39

that he's the guy you want to

1:04:41

be with during a vamp apocalypse. So

1:04:45

I played that because there's, you're

1:04:47

not going to show on a show

1:04:49

with this guy going through his

1:04:51

journal. Dear no, but right. So that's

1:04:53

subtext or whatever. Yeah. So I

1:04:55

got the play, you know. So what

1:04:57

did he say after the day

1:04:59

went? He said, you're right. He was

1:05:01

like, that's, that's, that's really, he

1:05:03

said, that's what it needs to be.

1:05:05

And that's what he ended up

1:05:07

becoming. You fought for what you believed.

1:05:10

Well, I just, that's just

1:05:12

how I perceived it.

1:05:14

And I took a

1:05:16

meeting with him in

1:05:18

Carlton about eight months

1:05:21

before. And he was offering

1:05:23

it to me. And at the time I

1:05:25

was doing the captive for Adam McGowan. And I

1:05:27

was down to like about 195 pounds, which

1:05:29

for me is like, I was like skin and

1:05:31

bones and I had this weird stash and

1:05:33

it was going into a really bad place. And

1:05:35

he was like, you're going to be able

1:05:37

to put on weight. Right. I was like, give

1:05:39

me a couple of weeks. It doesn't take me long.

1:05:41

It was like, he goes, he

1:05:43

goes, so you want to do it? And I

1:05:45

go, well, I'd love to read the other

1:05:47

books. He was like, Kevin, how

1:05:51

often do you get to

1:05:53

save the world and get the

1:05:55

ass and get the ass? That's

1:05:57

what he said. And get the

1:05:59

ass. In an accent? In

1:06:01

his accent, but I'm not gonna

1:06:03

even try. And yeah, it was

1:06:06

just, it was really magic. I

1:06:08

love that. Because I've never gotten

1:06:11

to play, like to play the

1:06:13

hero, the heroic. No, the, no,

1:06:15

people don't see me as that.

1:06:18

Well, they should, they will. All

1:06:20

right, this is called shit talking

1:06:23

with Kevin Duran. Or how do

1:06:25

you say it in French? Do

1:06:27

you? Oh, I thought you meant,

1:06:30

a en- en-en-en-en-en-en-en-en-en-en-en-en-en-en-en-en-en-en-en-en-en-en-en-en-en-en-en-en-en-en-en-en-en-en-en-en-en-en-en-en-en-en-en-en-en-en-en-en-en-en-en-en-en-en-en-en-en-en-en- On Charles. Oh,

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Sarah G. I saw Abigail twice

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in theaters. loved it. What was

1:06:47

it about production that drew you

1:06:49

to it and how much fun

1:06:51

did you have on set? What

1:06:54

was the most challenging role to

1:06:56

date? Radio Silence. I was a

1:06:59

fan of theirs. So already or

1:07:01

not. I... Their storytelling was just

1:07:03

so great within that genre. And

1:07:06

then the script was fantastic. Most

1:07:08

challenging role to date, and my

1:07:11

favorite role to date, Proxima Caesar,

1:07:13

hands down. I challenge any filmmaker

1:07:15

to give me something better. There

1:07:18

you go. Bring it on. By

1:07:20

the way, in Abigail, the audition

1:07:23

for that too. I did. Was

1:07:25

it tough? A lot, it's not

1:07:27

like he had speeches or anything,

1:07:30

so you know, those auditions where

1:07:32

it's like, oh, I'm just kind

1:07:34

of coming in and. Yeah. So

1:07:37

then figuring him out was the

1:07:39

different process. Right. But then once

1:07:42

we got together in Ireland and

1:07:44

we were in this, we shot

1:07:46

in the Guinness Mansion where the

1:07:49

Guinness family had, it was their

1:07:51

vacation mansion. And Mr. Guinness, Sir

1:07:54

Guinness had a secret hallway that

1:07:56

connected. another mansion and that's where

1:07:58

he kept his mistress. Jesus! It

1:08:01

was the craziest, coolest house.

1:08:03

So yeah, anyways. Raj, tell

1:08:05

me about the most recent

1:08:07

time you felt scared. It

1:08:10

would have been anxiety based.

1:08:12

It was the last time

1:08:14

I really felt scared. Yeah,

1:08:16

it always is. It was like,

1:08:18

I would go into these points

1:08:20

of time where I, it would

1:08:22

be months where I was like,

1:08:24

I'm gonna die. Like, it would be

1:08:26

so. There would be points where it's

1:08:29

like, I have like a minute, and

1:08:31

it was like that for three

1:08:33

months. I know that feeling. Just

1:08:36

desperation. Anybody's feeling that, please

1:08:38

go and get help. Don't

1:08:40

feel embarrassed about it. It's,

1:08:42

it's, it's, it's totally normal.

1:08:44

You'd be surprised at how

1:08:46

many of us have it.

1:08:48

So it's like, go get help. Uh,

1:08:51

Deb Nixon. What is the most,

1:08:53

what is the moment in your

1:08:55

child's life? You are, Glad you

1:08:57

did not miss for which you

1:08:59

remember the most Oh my gosh

1:09:01

the birth the birth of my

1:09:03

first child the doctor let me

1:09:05

Pull her out and I pulled her

1:09:07

out and I brought her up and

1:09:09

I brought her up and She kind

1:09:11

of shook her head and then she

1:09:14

looked at me and when she first

1:09:16

opened her eyes. She was looking at

1:09:18

me and is the greatest

1:09:20

love most profound thing

1:09:22

I've ever felt and in the

1:09:25

meantime. I'm here And I'm like, what

1:09:27

the fuck is that? And I was like,

1:09:29

put her down, she's cold. And I was

1:09:31

like, oh, shit. Because I was so

1:09:33

caught in this moment. No one could

1:09:35

get her because I'm up here, because

1:09:37

I'm up here, you know, looking at

1:09:39

her and put her down. You know,

1:09:41

I never do this, but like, there's

1:09:43

so many things I could talk to

1:09:45

you forever. You're so easy to talk

1:09:47

to. I love this. It's really. Open

1:09:50

and just really fun to know how

1:09:52

you work with your joy is what

1:09:54

your dreams are Okay, so I'm gonna

1:09:57

just ask you quick questions. What's it

1:09:59

like work? like working with

1:10:01

David Cronenberg. David was

1:10:04

intense. Intense, there's a

1:10:06

beautiful intensity, he knows

1:10:09

exactly what he wants, but

1:10:11

he casts exactly who he

1:10:14

wants. So going to set

1:10:16

the most direction I got

1:10:18

from him was this or

1:10:20

this. Turn it down, turn it up,

1:10:23

turn it in it, and he did

1:10:25

that once. And then he

1:10:27

never had to give me

1:10:29

direction again. We just understood

1:10:32

each other. He was he was amazing.

1:10:35

Dark Angel. Overall the

1:10:37

experience was it was

1:10:39

a great experience. It was

1:10:41

the first time I had ever

1:10:44

made money ever. He just happened

1:10:46

to be there like real money.

1:10:48

Like I couldn't believe it. I

1:10:51

love disappearing into Joshua and there

1:10:53

was this real I always felt

1:10:55

kind of like a beast of

1:10:58

sorts. So I just got him,

1:11:00

I missed him so much. I'm

1:11:02

more, I still mourn him. Would

1:11:05

you do a Dark Angel if

1:11:07

they did like one show, one out

1:11:09

or? Hell yeah. You would? Even

1:11:11

if they did a limited series,

1:11:14

Dark Angel? I'd jump in

1:11:16

as Joshua, sure. You would?

1:11:18

Absolutely. Lost. I mean, phenomenon.

1:11:20

I watched every episode. I loved

1:11:22

it. It's when I saw you

1:11:25

and I was like, oh my

1:11:27

God. What was your experience like

1:11:29

that on that? You know how

1:11:31

you're talking about how you got

1:11:34

the, um, the script the night

1:11:36

before? Yep. Every day on

1:11:38

loss was like that. That's

1:11:40

terrible. And it was like that.

1:11:42

They, uh, Like, you know,

1:11:44

the show, so the

1:11:47

scene with Alex, when

1:11:49

I point blank, you

1:11:52

know, Ben Linus' daughter,

1:11:54

I was in Sydney

1:11:57

shooting Wolverine

1:11:59

and... They gave me the

1:12:01

script, like I got the script

1:12:03

like basically right before I got

1:12:05

on the plane to Hawaii. Oh

1:12:07

my God, but at the same

1:12:10

time, so exhilarated because I was

1:12:12

like, oh shit, this is gonna

1:12:14

hit hard. You know, and so

1:12:16

there was this, it taught me how

1:12:18

to just trust that it's all

1:12:21

there. You know, it's all gonna

1:12:23

be there. So just trust, don't

1:12:25

worry about. Little minute

1:12:27

specific right right? You don't need to always

1:12:29

get those as long as the director gets

1:12:31

what he wants It's okay. And that's what

1:12:33

it taught me do you ever get starstruck

1:12:36

and who do you get starstruck over? More

1:12:38

hockey players than who's your favorite hockey player

1:12:40

of all time Mario new me too hands

1:12:42

down me a hundred but if you want

1:12:44

to get Hodgkins and if you wouldn't have

1:12:46

had the back surgery I think he would

1:12:48

have uh dude. Yeah, I think he's the

1:12:50

best of all time dude when he came

1:12:53

back from from the label on the scoring

1:12:55

race Nobody had I mean Gretske people Gretske

1:12:57

was phenomenal, but to me Overall

1:12:59

player hard hitting checking tough scoring

1:13:01

You had to handle his own business. He

1:13:03

didn't have he didn't have him exorily.

1:13:06

Yeah, he's so nice if we could

1:13:08

all have him exorily following us around.

1:13:10

Yeah, but Gretske's Don't get me. Oh,

1:13:12

yeah Gretske's like he's right there absolutely.

1:13:14

Yeah, and he's a great guy too, but

1:13:16

Mario's just this is when we lose people

1:13:18

when we get into hockey when you get

1:13:20

into hockey. I get into hockey. I know

1:13:22

I know This is when we lose people.

1:13:24

Okay. No, this is good. No, this is

1:13:26

great. No, it is the end of the

1:13:28

interview. So I just, no, no, no. This

1:13:30

has been fantastic. You're such an amazing guy

1:13:32

and great actor. I mean, you, you're, you

1:13:35

always bring it. Every time I see you on

1:13:37

screen, pop. You just pop and I wish

1:13:39

you the most success and thanks for

1:13:41

opening up about your anxiety and your

1:13:43

life and I hope you'll come back.

1:13:45

I would love it. It's so easy

1:13:47

to talk to you. Usually I'm like

1:13:50

this is you know it feels like

1:13:52

it's longer and this felt like it

1:13:54

was very interesting and it

1:13:56

had my attention the whole time. I love

1:13:58

I would love to come back. And we

1:14:00

should work together too. I would love that. That

1:14:02

your hockey movie. Just get to it. I would

1:14:04

love it. Thanks for being here, Kevin.

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