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1:16

You're listening to Inside of

1:18

you with Michael Rosenbaum, Ryan

1:20

Teos is here. Hello? Wow, I mean,

1:22

we've got to start out with the fires.

1:25

I mean, everybody's talking about it

1:27

because they should be talking about

1:29

it, but it's just, you know,

1:31

my heart goes out to so

1:34

many of my friends and families

1:36

and people that just lost everything.

1:38

It's just tragic and it was it

1:40

was a scary situation. It's still scary

1:42

as we speak I think people Think

1:44

that it's over and it's not there's

1:46

still fires going on and it's still

1:49

you know people are still evacuated and

1:51

some have been evacuated for over a

1:53

week. I Remember when they I was

1:55

evacuated I was out to eat and all of

1:57

a sudden my friend text me and

1:59

said Runyans on fire and then there's

2:01

a witset fire in the valley and we

2:04

were you and I were just talking about

2:06

this but there's there's a weird like

2:08

I'm sort of like the little things

2:10

get me anxious and I'm like you

2:12

know but when something like this happens

2:14

it's like you zone in on what's

2:16

important and nothing else matters and there's

2:19

a calmness that kind of came over

2:21

me I have to get home. I

2:23

have to get whatever I can, but

2:25

I have to just get my dogs.

2:27

I want to get my dogs into

2:29

safety. That's all I thought of. And I

2:31

was fortunate enough. I had friends spending the

2:33

night and we came to the house

2:35

and I got a few stupid things

2:38

and loaded up the van and I

2:40

evacuated and you know, my friends

2:42

were like, what are we going to do? I

2:44

go, what we're going to do is we're

2:46

going to load up the van with all

2:49

the essentials that I need. And we're going

2:51

to go to the Vons parking lot at

2:53

the grocery store. And then we're going to

2:55

figure out what we're going to do. Right

2:57

now is not the time. It's step by

3:00

step. Get out of the house, get the

3:02

dogs. And then we got there and I

3:04

called a friend. I thought, you know, my

3:06

friend Zander lives close by and

3:09

he's out of harm's way. And I said,

3:11

hey, can I bring my van over there?

3:13

And my friend was driving my

3:15

other truck. And he said, sure. So

3:17

I took the dogs and the van

3:19

over there and I parked it. I

3:21

went in their house. They were so sweet.

3:23

Zander and Kerry. And then we looked

3:26

at a Airbnb and, you know,

3:28

took care of it. But then the

3:30

next day I got calls from, you

3:32

know, my friend Kim Low and Jab,

3:34

they lost her house. And the whole

3:36

thing is just surreal. And, you know,

3:38

a lot of times you take things

3:41

for granted. You just like, you

3:43

know, you know, I... Is this really happening?

3:45

Is this continuing to happen?

3:47

And you think of, well, what could have

3:49

been done? What could have, you know, I

3:51

always say, I was saying to you before, I

3:53

think that, you know, why don't they

3:55

have just a sprinkler system throughout all

3:58

the mountains and all the hillside? and

4:00

in case anything happens these sprinklers

4:02

go on they spend a billion

4:05

dollars through all the big wherever

4:07

there's life I mean the sprinkler

4:09

system should be the rain in essence

4:11

but we didn't get but rains unpredictable

4:14

we're just not getting it right now

4:16

we're not getting it right now but

4:18

yeah it's tragic so you know if

4:20

you can I always say a safe

4:23

that I've already donated to the Red

4:25

Cross and some other you know

4:27

independent people who are struggling

4:30

and you know donated there but the

4:32

Red Cross is always a good bet

4:34

if you're worried about hey who's getting

4:36

the money in this and that the

4:38

Red Cross is always a solid solid

4:40

donation. Yeah I was just in just

4:43

like a feeling like I don't know what

4:45

to do like over the weekend I

4:47

looked up like the volunteer collective I

4:49

was like or what where can I

4:51

just sort of show up and volunteer

4:53

and I ended up at the YMCA

4:55

in Korea town. Good just just really

4:58

just like because there's so many

5:00

donations and it's all just sort

5:02

of like disorganized So like I

5:04

just went somewhere they're like all right

5:06

here. We're making food boxes here So

5:08

I would like label food boxes then I

5:10

sort of shifted over to we need more

5:12

boxes so like I made more boxes so

5:14

like I made boxes It was just sort

5:16

of like moving around to like just doing

5:18

anything you could help is just there's a

5:20

lot of organization that needs to

5:23

happen. So if if nothing else That's what

5:25

I did that's what I Yeah, so I

5:27

haven't heard from them in well over a

5:29

week. Yeah, but, um, yeah, it's hard

5:31

to, it's hard to know what to

5:33

do, but I mean, I evacuated the

5:36

same day you did, because the fire

5:38

was really close, and it was

5:40

just like, yeah, we're not waiting

5:42

around. And the calmness is real.

5:44

It's, it's, it's crazy too, because

5:46

I was driving by, and I saw

5:48

some firefighters, and I just stopped by, and

5:51

I said, I know people are probably asking

5:53

you, I think that goes overlooked a lot.

5:55

It's just like, again, you take it for

5:57

granted. You're like, okay, the firefighters are here

5:59

to have. And it's like these guys

6:01

should be making big money. They

6:03

should be making, they're risking their

6:06

lives. They should be making more

6:08

than the politicians to do

6:10

a job like that. And it's just, you

6:12

know, I feel just blessed, grateful that

6:14

I'm here. My house is here. My

6:17

dogs are safe. You're here. It's a

6:19

tragedy. And, you know, a lot of

6:21

people have been texting me and from

6:23

all over the country, my friends. And

6:26

are you okay. What's going on with

6:28

the fires. So I just made an

6:30

Instagram saying, hey, I'm fine, because it

6:32

was just overwhelming. But it was really

6:35

nice to see, but you know, people

6:37

across the world can easily donate five

6:39

bucks to the red cross and every

6:41

dollar counts, because there are a lot

6:43

of families that, you know, look at the

6:45

palisades and the, I think people think,

6:47

oh, these are the very well off,

6:50

very fortunate people, but there are so

6:52

many people in Altadena and all these

6:54

other places that have nothing, that

6:56

never had a lot. and they're stripped

6:59

from that. So I just

7:01

think if you could donate, it's

7:03

humanity. It's like, you know, help

7:05

your fellow man and do anything

7:08

you can to make it easier

7:10

for people, I guess. I don't know.

7:12

It's tough. Yeah, LA is a big

7:14

place. It takes a lot of people

7:16

to make it run and everyone

7:18

seems to be helping out

7:20

and it's terrible. What has

7:22

happened to so many of

7:24

us. and all that for the people out of

7:27

town, it's a rough way to learn LA geography.

7:29

And like, and the first thing I thought, because

7:31

I'm up in the hills, I was like, I got

7:33

a cell my house. Yeah. But the

7:35

reality is there's tragedy everywhere and you

7:37

never know, you can move to the

7:40

Midwest and there's a tornado that could

7:42

run through everything. There's the East Coast,

7:44

you know, you have hurricanes, you have.

7:46

you know the potential for an earthquake

7:48

out here you have potential for fires

7:51

you have no matter where you go

7:53

it's you can't live your life in

7:55

fear and so something like this happens

7:57

very seldom you know I mean there's

8:00

There's catastrophes, catastrophic

8:03

events throughout the world every day.

8:05

So, you know, this is another

8:07

one of them, but I guess the

8:09

big question is how do you make

8:11

it better? How do you prevent or

8:13

make the situation better than it

8:16

was? You know, you got to

8:18

change something. You know, people can

8:20

blame Karen Bass and, you know,

8:22

I'm not saying she's doing a

8:24

great job or anything, but I

8:26

will say that. The infrastructure

8:29

has been kind of broken for

8:31

60 years and they have got

8:33

to pay attention to what's

8:35

really important Yeah, there was one

8:37

The just because it's near

8:39

my parents lived the Northern

8:42

California Northern California fire from

8:44

a couple God like six

8:46

years ago that was like

8:48

a defunct like an old

8:51

old old power line. Yeah

8:53

from PG&E the electrical company

8:55

And that started it. Yeah.

8:57

Isn't it amazing with the

8:59

little things that can start?

9:01

And by the way, this could

9:03

have happened with any fire

9:06

in this situation. It's the

9:08

perfect storm. It's like

9:10

low humidity, right? Dry air,

9:13

gust of winds, these very,

9:15

you know, powerful winds, a

9:17

spark, a fire, the embers, the

9:19

catch, catch on trees, and they,

9:21

you know, so... anybody you

9:23

hear about these arsonists and you

9:26

hear about the stuff and it

9:28

gets you kind of like worried

9:30

like you know this could happen

9:33

you know people like keeping warm

9:35

and build a fire and goes out

9:37

of hand and you know anyway look

9:40

if you could donate donate if

9:42

you could help help and

9:44

you know God bless the

9:46

firefighters and the what do they come

9:48

first responders and all

9:50

that because What a job they

9:52

had and watching these planes and

9:54

helicopters scoop up water from the

9:57

reservoir and then go in the

9:59

mountains and and they were like

10:01

pinpoint accuracy and risking their lives

10:03

in these flames that are about,

10:06

you know, they're just right there.

10:08

It was pretty astonishing. We still

10:10

have a podcast today. And thanks

10:12

for joining us even though we're

10:14

two days later because of all the

10:17

fires and, you know, and I hope Jason,

10:19

my editor, you're feeling better, you

10:21

know, it's a lot, but Lucy Lawless

10:23

is freaking here. Yeah. You know, to

10:25

make you smile and forget about things

10:28

for a while. this woman, she is,

10:30

her new documentary, which we'll

10:32

talk about is, is honestly

10:34

fantastic. I, you know, I tell you,

10:36

when I, people say, oh, you have

10:39

to watch this movie because a guest

10:41

is coming on. I'm like, shit. And

10:43

most of the time, they're not that

10:45

great. I'm like, I gotta talk about

10:47

this. I watch the trailer and I

10:49

go, I have to watch this now.

10:51

And then I watched it and I

10:53

watched it and I go, this was

10:56

an amazing documentary. She's been a ton

10:58

of stuff and we're friends now. It

11:00

was a little bit, in the beginning,

11:02

I was a little, you were a

11:05

little worried, aren't you're like, I don't

11:07

know if they're. Yeah, because I don't

11:09

handle conflict well, and so I wasn't

11:11

sure like what's happening, but it was

11:13

like a little tense, but you guys

11:16

were like on the same page of

11:18

where you were headed. So that was

11:20

really nice. And now we text, and

11:22

she's like, I want to come your horror

11:25

movie horror movie nights. So look,

11:27

if you want to follow our

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and support the show. We need

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the Michael Rosenbaum. It's got all

11:46

that stuff on there just for

11:48

cons and all that. But more

11:51

importantly right now today, I'm, I just

11:53

want everybody to reach out and

11:55

see if you could. help those in

11:57

need with the LA fires and

11:59

But anyway, Ryan, I'm

12:02

glad you're safe. Thank you.

12:04

Yes, me too. And thank

12:06

you. Let's just do it.

12:08

Let's get inside of the

12:10

amazing Lucy Lawless. It's

12:12

my point of view.

12:14

You're listening to inside

12:17

of you with Michael

12:19

Rosenbaum. Inside

12:25

of you with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded

12:28

in front of a live studio audience.

12:30

Listen, I'm not gonna bullshit you. Because a lot

12:32

of times I have to watch. Make sure you don't.

12:34

Okay, let's just out just out of truth. Let's

12:36

not do any bullshit. I'm not gonna bullshit. I

12:39

want you to also critique. You know, let's try.

12:41

You really want to hear it straight. I think

12:43

you do want to hear it. Yeah, I'm interested

12:45

in. Look, this movie never look away. I got

12:47

the trailer look away. I got the trailer.

12:49

I got the trailer. I got the trailer

12:51

yesterday. I got the trailer yesterday. I got

12:53

the trailer yesterday. Shit, I got to watch

12:55

a fucking movie now. And, you know, I'll

12:57

just watch the trailer and I'll get an

12:59

idea. And, you know, I swear to God, I

13:01

got chills from the trailer. There's

13:03

a moment in the trailer, I swear

13:06

to God my hair stood up. It's

13:08

about two-thirds of the way through. Yes.

13:10

Yeah, me too. Because I was like, nah,

13:12

and then it's, oh, it happened. Oh, when

13:14

you find out what, what, what happened. And

13:16

then, what happened. And then, you know,

13:19

Joe, Joe, who's out, who's out, who's

13:21

out, who's out, who's out, who's out,

13:23

who's out, I'm intrigued enough that

13:25

I want to see this. Amazing,

13:27

cool. And I got to tell

13:29

you, I was emotional. I was,

13:31

it was, it was a roller coaster.

13:33

It was kind of like who

13:36

I think she was, Margaret, Margaret

13:38

moth, who you directed

13:40

this documentary, never

13:42

look away. And she was, it

13:44

was sort of like. There are

13:47

so many great things about this. I

13:49

mean that were there models or was

13:51

it animation at times? No, no, no.

13:53

It's all it's all it's like in

13:55

tracking. We don't want to use very

13:57

low-fi real in camera. Yeah practical stuff

13:59

So it's a large scale

14:02

diarama. Holy shit, like I've

14:04

never seen anything like it.

14:06

Like when you're... You're just not

14:09

old enough, bro. I'm 50s. I'm

14:11

52. Okay, well I'm 56 and

14:13

when I was a kid, that

14:15

was our CGI, it was

14:18

diarama. Yeah, I know. Okay.

14:20

It was all practicals and

14:22

I love that, but this moved

14:24

me, this woman, first of

14:26

all. I mean, everybody has to see

14:28

this. And when I say that,

14:31

I usually say, well, go see

14:33

this movie, you know, this actor,

14:35

this direct, go see it, it's

14:37

in, you know, and I'll have

14:39

enthusiasm. But with

14:42

this, I really want people

14:44

to see this, because I

14:47

think it's profound, it's beautiful,

14:49

it's about friendship, it's about

14:51

someone who just pushed it

14:53

to the edge. And like I've

14:56

never seen anyone, this is

14:58

like the strongest woman I've

15:00

ever seen. And what she went

15:02

through where most people, you know, would

15:04

have given up, or would have said,

15:07

especially with her beauty and

15:09

her, you know. Notariety and like

15:11

that, you know, sort of like

15:13

a gypsy sexual charisma. Sexual charisma.

15:16

So anyway, this it was so

15:18

emotional and so well directed. Oh,

15:20

thank you. That I was I

15:23

was enamored by like what you

15:25

did. So you I'm hoping you're

15:27

directing more. Yeah, well, that's sure

15:29

the plan. I'm gonna hustle like a

15:32

son of a gun, you know, to

15:34

make the next thing. Well, yeah, I've

15:36

got something and yeah. Can I be in

15:38

it? No, okay. I'm going to say the

15:40

synopsis. Would that help or would you want

15:42

to just, why don't you say what it

15:45

is? No, I'm going to hear your synopsis.

15:47

Well, this is the synopsis. CNN

15:49

camera woman Margaret moth fearlessly

15:51

captures footage of war zones. After

15:53

receiving catastrophic injuries in the crosshairs

15:56

of battle, she returns to work

15:58

with more courage. than ever. An

16:01

intimate portrait of a

16:03

trailblazing female photojournalist,

16:05

features interviews with Moth's

16:07

family and friends including

16:10

CNN's anchor and Sundance

16:12

Film Festival premiere. Just

16:14

like... Yeah, yeah, she worked with Christian

16:16

Armand Poor, worked with a lot of

16:19

the greats of that era and so

16:21

we were lucky enough to have access

16:23

to them through Joe, her best friend

16:26

who was also a cameraman there. all

16:28

down to her lovers and I thought

16:30

that they would be dead because everybody

16:32

said, ah, that he was a heroin

16:35

addict and I mean, they were all

16:37

here. The other guy was like a drunk,

16:39

he got drugs. I found them,

16:41

I couldn't believe it. Did you

16:44

find them through the family, through

16:46

her family? No, I, well, Jeff, I

16:48

was given his number. The other

16:50

one, Yashinga, I found... Jeff's the

16:52

long-haired guy. He was 17 when she

16:54

took up with him. She was 30, actually

16:56

31. And he was a junior in high

16:59

school and left his senior year just

17:01

to be with this woman he was

17:03

enamored by. Well, yeah, he was already

17:05

dealing drugs. He was like three or

17:07

four years into his alcoholism. His

17:09

father was all this stuff. So

17:11

she didn't get him started. She

17:13

might have actually toned down his

17:16

usage of substances actually, but still

17:18

you do go ahead. with today's

17:20

point of view, go, oh my, no,

17:22

come on, leave the kid alone. Yeah,

17:24

I was like, if that happened the

17:27

day, I mean, you know, it would

17:29

be frowned upon. Yeah, I mean,

17:31

maybe even then. I mean, it was

17:34

a different time though. Yes,

17:36

well, his mother was not

17:38

crazy about her, that's for

17:40

sure, but his mother was

17:42

part of his problem.

17:45

So, according to him. Right.

17:47

Anywho, yeah, so I found the

17:49

other lover, Yashinka, because I knew

17:51

that he had been part of

17:53

a film crew, one of whom

17:55

was kidnapped by, I won't say

17:57

which group in the Middle East.

18:00

because if I've got it wrong, then

18:02

it's no good. And I looked up

18:04

that event and I found him and

18:06

I sent the picture of him to

18:08

Joe and I said, is this the

18:10

guy? He went, yeah, oh my God,

18:13

that's him, he's still alive. And I

18:15

found him. And we pull up to

18:17

his house in Paris or outside of

18:19

Paris and it's got this massive,

18:21

like a prison gate, right? Or

18:24

corrugated sort of steel. And we

18:26

push the buzzer and the gate

18:28

rolls back. And then you see

18:30

in front of us, there's this

18:32

four-story kind of mansion, like 18th

18:35

century mansion, like little Lord Fort

18:37

Roy lives there. And there's Yashenka,

18:39

who's a, literally, he's a gypsy.

18:41

And kind of a gypsy king,

18:43

like he's wearing a brocade jacket

18:45

and immaculate white jeans and a

18:47

fluted collar and like the cuffs

18:49

all. designed just so, right?

18:51

And he's flanked by two

18:54

enormous goats. It's like Mr.

18:56

Frickantumnus, right? It's like something

18:58

Narnia about this guy. And

19:00

I just couldn't believe we

19:03

found him. Such an unusual

19:05

character. That's what I was

19:07

thinking. Who approached you about

19:09

this? Joe Duran was Margaret's best

19:12

friend. He's also in the film.

19:14

He's also in the film. He's

19:16

also... is the executor of her

19:19

estate which amounted to a suitcase

19:21

full of memories and her house

19:23

in Istanbul. So that was great

19:26

because he gave me entree to

19:28

getting Christiana Ammonpur on

19:30

screen which was a real get

19:32

as you can imagine and the

19:34

other. players. But even the head

19:37

of like CNN at the time, that

19:39

guy... Yeah, Tom Johnson. You got him,

19:41

like him to speak about these things.

19:43

Well, yeah, they loved their people back

19:46

then, you know, it was a completely

19:48

different era, but I think to be

19:50

honest, they were a bit shocked about

19:53

the movie that I made, because even

19:55

though the war stuff was all

19:57

totally, you know, it was tickety boo.

19:59

I don't think they were thrilled

20:01

about the sex life and punk

20:03

music. But she was a rock star

20:06

in her own. Yeah. By anybody, anyone

20:08

who knew her. Yeah, but they didn't

20:10

know, you know, she kept everybody

20:12

siloed off. So she was different

20:14

things to different people. I mean, and

20:17

it was just, you know, like the

20:19

darkness that always, you know, what really

20:21

hit me is when, and you guys,

20:24

you just have to see this, she

20:26

gets her, Margaret gets her face pretty

20:28

much blown off. And her jaw is detached.

20:31

She goes through 25 surgeries over

20:33

the years, but she returns, hardly

20:35

being able to speak, and says,

20:37

I wanna get behind the camera

20:40

again, and I wanna go back to

20:42

these war zones, and I wanna do

20:44

that, and this is what I love.

20:46

And what I got from that was,

20:48

she was always playing with death.

20:50

She was always, I just

20:52

got chills again, because I'm thinking

20:54

about. her life and how hard it

20:56

must have been because she had an

20:59

abusive mother, incredibly abusive. The

21:01

father, they don't go in, you don't

21:03

go too much into that, but he

21:05

was abusive, but the mother seemed like

21:07

the real. That surprised me actually. I

21:09

thought for sure the father was a

21:12

problem because Margaret hated her dad. But

21:14

all the others were like, no, mom

21:16

was the monster. Like when dad wasn't

21:18

drunk, he was okay. Now I

21:21

think they soft peddled it and

21:23

I wish I had to push

21:25

them harder because he did beat

21:28

up the mother but they didn't

21:30

say that they were really dogging

21:32

on the mother. Right. So and

21:35

then the mother in turn dogged

21:37

on on Margaret's boyfriends for whatever

21:39

reason. So she would criticize the

21:42

French guy, or Shinker, the, yeah,

21:44

the Pepsi boyfriend. and accuse him

21:47

of all sorts of terrible stuff.

21:49

You're a heroin act, you don't want

21:51

to be here. Right, well, the fact

21:53

he was, heroin ag, was no surprise

21:55

to Margaret. I mean, she was well,

21:57

that was well part of their relationship.

22:00

But yeah, there was just lots

22:02

of amity being sort of

22:04

fire-hosed around that hospital. But

22:06

she says something, there's something

22:08

that was profound to me, where

22:10

one of the boyfriend said something like,

22:12

you know, how was your childhood? And

22:15

she goes, you know what? I don't

22:17

really remember it. And that was

22:19

it. Right. And he was so young

22:21

and dumb. He accepted that. And I

22:24

think that's why she was with younger

22:26

men, because they would not expect her

22:28

to meet them halfway. Frank with

22:31

me, these kids would just accept

22:33

her as, wow, you're so mysterious,

22:35

what a high priestess you are,

22:38

you know, let's do some acid.

22:40

And whereas a man might go,

22:42

tell me that, tell me what's

22:44

really going on, don't bullshit

22:47

me. These kids never did. And

22:49

I think that was a, like,

22:51

I don't think she would like

22:53

me, personally, because I

22:55

wouldn't accept that. from

22:57

many of my friends. It's

23:00

like, it's like, I... And

23:02

also she, she and her

23:04

whole family had no insight

23:06

into self. That's why the

23:08

family was quite difficult and

23:10

I struggled to understand what

23:13

I was seeing. The fact

23:15

that they were raised with

23:17

no nurturance, no completely emotionally

23:19

neglectful childhood meant that I

23:21

think they never developed the

23:23

capacity for self-insight. Definitely

23:26

not self-love. Yes, I

23:28

understand those things, yes.

23:31

Right, well perhaps you

23:33

understand better than me, but

23:35

they never, like zero

23:37

spirituality and zero inclination

23:40

to question the past,

23:42

they only go forward.

23:44

And I think that

23:46

became Margaret's superpower. Yeah, I

23:48

felt like you have this way

23:50

of when you're telling the story.

23:52

of like the darkness always creeping up

23:55

in like some images. You see her

23:57

drawings. Her drawings were like, it told

23:59

you. what her childhood was like

24:01

in a nutshell. I mean, I was like,

24:03

and what you do, it's so subtle, you

24:05

didn't hit it over the head with a

24:08

hammer, but like in some images, you

24:10

could see her drawing kind of creeping

24:12

up that blackness that she was,

24:14

you know, the blackness was always, the

24:16

darkness, it was always there. You should

24:19

see them in real life, man, you

24:21

can feel it. I've got energy, these

24:23

pictures, you know, they're really disturbing, and,

24:25

Actually, I quizzed her without telling the

24:28

siblings that I had found had these

24:30

pictures. I asked them, did you have

24:32

the house with a clock? No, didn't

24:34

have a clock. Jeff stares. No, never

24:36

stares because dad built the house out

24:39

of concrete. Like they didn't have stairs.

24:41

So these are from her sort of

24:43

subconscious or her memory. But you

24:46

want to jump to sexual abuse

24:48

and I could never find anybody

24:50

who could corroborate that nor did

24:52

Margaret say it. So I think

24:55

it's safe to assume it would.

24:57

It was physically abusive, but mostly

24:59

emotionally neglectful, and that's

25:01

evidently the hardest abuse

25:04

to heal from. Yeah, but you never

25:06

know. You never know. Some people,

25:08

you know, won't talk about certain

25:10

things. They just won't talk about

25:12

it. So it's more of an

25:14

enigma. You can think about what

25:17

you will of her and the things

25:19

she did, but you have to appreciate

25:21

the bravery. And... It was a woman

25:24

who, and it also, I remember there

25:26

was something in the, in the doc that,

25:28

they said, if you were boring, she was done

25:30

with you. If you were born, if you

25:32

don't want to go skydiving every day, if

25:34

you don't want to, you know, do whatever.

25:36

Go high speed roller skating at night.

25:39

Yes, if you, and I was like going,

25:41

yeah, she went to date at me. That's

25:43

the first thing I thought was like I'm

25:45

I'm really boring compared to that I mean

25:48

I'll go bowling or go shopping to home

25:50

home goods But I I'm not going I'm

25:52

not going skydiving or to a

25:54

punk club. I mean every night of the

25:56

way Not even but I love this. I

25:58

think you guys have to see is

26:00

called Never Look Away and it's

26:03

from the same company that

26:05

produced free solo. Right. Right. Which

26:07

was awesome. So where can people

26:09

watch this? You can see it

26:12

anywhere in any digital platform

26:14

so Apple, Amazon, YouTube. It's

26:16

in limited cinemas but it's

26:18

wherever you stream your movies

26:20

you can see it. Yeah, I

26:22

think it's just awesome. I'm so glad I

26:25

watched it. Because a lot of times I

26:27

wouldn't because it's just like, you know, I

26:29

just went through the surgery. You never had

26:31

surgery? No. Never had a surgery. Oh, no,

26:34

but I broke my pelvis. Then you break

26:36

it on Jay Leno and the... Yeah, yeah, back

26:38

on the day. Well, I was just on

26:40

percocet for a number of days, so yeah,

26:42

it's... Before the accident? What

26:45

do you mean? I wasn't on Percet before the accident.

26:47

You think I know this is coming up? No,

26:49

that's what I thought. The way you said it, you're like,

26:51

I was on Percocet. No, no, no. And I fell off

26:53

a horse. No, no, no. Other way around, other way around.

26:55

Yeah, okay. I mean, I was in the hospital on this

26:57

kind of horrible drug. God bless it, it was

26:59

fab. What's the one, maybe it was, wouldn't be

27:01

morphine, morphine that you feed yourself, that you feed

27:03

yourself. Damn, damn. Damn, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

27:05

yeah, I just, I just went off, I just

27:07

went off, I just went off, I just went

27:09

off, I went off, I went off, I went

27:12

off. I told you I went off the Norco,

27:14

because I have the next surgery and I didn't

27:16

tape her down, folks. If you're trying to

27:18

win yourself off drugs, if you had

27:20

surgery or if you're just a drug

27:22

addict, if you don't take it easy

27:24

and slow, you are going to feel

27:27

like you're going to die for a

27:29

good four days or longer. It was

27:31

horrible. Speaking of, Jeff, who played,

27:33

not played, who was Margaret's young

27:36

lover, who's kind of the emotional

27:38

backbone of the story, died at

27:40

Christmas, last Christmas. He died.

27:43

He was young. He was like

27:45

probably 60. He died at the same

27:47

age as Margaret. 59. 59. And

27:49

it was as if when I

27:51

first met him, he was so

27:53

raw and so like he'd never

27:55

examined his relationship and his umbrage

27:57

and his rage and his how.

27:59

his loss, his grief about his

28:02

relationship, Margaret getting shot, he really

28:04

blamed her for that and he

28:06

had never examined it in 30

28:08

years. So by the time we

28:10

interviewed him, the last time, three

28:12

times we interviewed him, he was

28:15

kind of come full circle and

28:17

it was all sort of whole

28:19

again and then he evaporated and

28:21

died. You know what? It's crazy

28:23

because at the end you see

28:26

that the emotions coming out of

28:28

him. Yeah, and he's soft. Yeah.

28:30

For the first time. Yeah. Because

28:32

you could see the pain, the

28:34

love, but obviously the pain that

28:36

she caused him, they caused each

28:39

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at lifesurge.com. I hope to see

30:29

you there. We see Margaret's family

30:32

and her upbringing. What was your

30:34

family like? Good, really stable. I

30:36

mean, I had a lot of

30:38

brothers though. They were a mixed

30:40

bag of brotherhood. and one sister

30:42

with lots of fighting lots of

30:45

laughs lots of but very good

30:47

solid parents really like they told

30:49

you they loved you oh totally

30:51

yeah lots of cuddles and and

30:53

and also respected our individuality because

30:56

we're all different and they respected

30:58

and loved all of us as

31:00

much as they could and gave

31:02

us what they could so and

31:04

people say do you relate to

31:06

Margaret and I'm like I really

31:09

can't. I really can't because that

31:11

alone marks us as polar opposites.

31:13

So I'd never met anybody with

31:15

her this constellation of attributes as

31:17

described by other people. I couldn't

31:19

put it together till I met

31:22

the family and they're all like

31:24

that. And her nephews and nieces

31:26

came to the movie in New

31:28

Zealand and wept. And they came

31:30

out. I didn't even know them.

31:32

They came on. They said, thank

31:35

you so much you've explained our

31:37

own father to us. dearth this

31:39

lovelessness that runs through the generations,

31:41

starting abandonment, emotional abandonment. I don't

31:43

think, I talk about it sometimes,

31:45

but I don't think people understand

31:48

that in a child's developmental years,

31:50

that if they're not giving and

31:52

the unconditional love and the I'm

31:54

proud of you and the patience

31:56

and the things, it affects them

31:59

physiologically, psychologically. And, you know, how

32:01

do you hear yourself? How do

32:03

you feel that well, right? Well,

32:05

that's, I mean, I mean, in

32:07

a lot of ways, I feel

32:09

like that's what I've, my journey's

32:12

been in a lot of ways

32:14

just to, you know, because they

32:16

were kind of old school and

32:18

it just, there's a lot to

32:20

that, but, you know. It was

32:22

getting into therapy. It was actually

32:25

going, stop thinking, I don't need

32:27

to talk to anybody. I don't

32:29

need anything. I don't need anybody.

32:31

Right. And yet you overcame that

32:33

somehow. Well, I'm still overcoming it.

32:35

I don't think, I don't think

32:38

you lose it. I think you

32:40

learn how to live with it.

32:42

You understand what is fiction and

32:44

what's not. Like, you know, for

32:46

many years, if you hear like,

32:49

like, let's say, you're not smart,

32:51

you're dumb. Oh, you had that?

32:53

You had that? I'm not saying

32:55

me. I don't want to talk

32:57

about that. I'm just saying. Okay,

32:59

I have friends who were told

33:02

that sort of thing. Yeah. But,

33:04

you know, no matter what anybody

33:06

says, there's still a little party

33:08

that inner child that kind of

33:10

feels that way, that feels unloved

33:12

or feels ugly or feels stupid.

33:15

Even when you work on yourself,

33:17

even when you know it's not

33:19

true, when you can see your

33:21

success, the way you treat people,

33:23

the way, there's all these things.

33:25

Can I ask you something? Yeah.

33:28

You can cut this out if

33:30

you don't want it, but do

33:32

you think if the negative voice

33:34

is your mother's, it sticks deeper

33:36

in you than if the negative

33:39

voice is your father's? No. No.

33:41

I don't. I don't. I think

33:43

it just, it, someone else might

33:45

be sitting here thinking, yes, you

33:47

know, agree with you. I think

33:49

it's just very, it just. depends

33:52

on the situation. You have to

33:54

at some point stop blaming, become

33:56

an adult. Yeah. and do good

33:58

things, be kind, do what makes

34:00

you happy. I think a lot

34:02

with me is I always was,

34:05

I'll be on the show, I'll

34:07

do this movie, this will get

34:09

attention, this people will like me,

34:11

my parents will be like, oh

34:13

look at this, it doesn't get

34:15

any of that. The adoration, it

34:18

just doesn't. It's feeding a racehorse

34:20

delicacies, yeah. If you don't see it, if you

34:22

don't believe it, if you aren't

34:24

doing it for you, you're fucked,

34:27

you're fucked. You're fucked. You're chasing,

34:29

you're chasing, you're chasing a high

34:31

that just will, it's not sustainable.

34:33

And never nourish you. And you had

34:36

that. So that's a very, that's an

34:38

amazing thing. Yeah. You know, and you

34:40

shouldn't, not that you feel bad for

34:42

that, but you shouldn't, you should embrace

34:45

that and go and that's why. Certainly

34:47

grateful for it. And the light that

34:49

Margaret had, it was hard for you to

34:51

imagine because of the upbringing

34:53

you had. Yeah, but you also yeah, but

34:55

I think very hard for

34:57

almost anybody to imagine except

35:00

maybe something like you and

35:02

when she went to war maybe

35:04

I mean How could you possibly?

35:06

Relate to that unless you had had

35:08

a dearth of love? Yeah, so I

35:10

think when she went to war in

35:13

a way that the vibration of

35:15

water if I can use that

35:17

expression mirrored her vibration inside

35:19

it felt almost like a

35:21

home. This is where I belong.

35:23

She would not leave Sarajevo and

35:25

Christiana Amanpur and all those producers

35:27

begged her to go. You're done,

35:29

you've been here two tours, you

35:31

must leave. Two weeks, they say

35:33

to stay two weeks, get out.

35:35

She'd already been there four weeks

35:37

and she's like, well maybe six

35:39

weeks, I'm remembering wrong now, but Christiana

35:41

left as she should and I've

35:43

got Margaret's own notes where

35:46

like something just... I just wrote back

35:48

to Steve the line producer and said,

35:50

you know, no, I'm going to stay.

35:52

I want to stay. And it was the

35:54

next day, blew her jaw off. And she

35:56

wasn't being reckless as she was sitting in

35:58

the back of the van. With the

36:00

crew when if her jaw was blown

36:02

off. Oh, and by the way did

36:05

I tell you you know how she

36:07

made the joke? I want to go

36:09

back to study over to find my

36:11

teeth Did you know I found her

36:13

teeth? In the truck In the back

36:15

of the driver's head Are

36:19

you fucking kidding me? In the back

36:22

of the freaking driver's head. Because he,

36:24

I interviewed him. They stuck in his

36:26

head? Yeah, they were, well they were

36:28

in shards. So he said for like

36:31

six or seven years afterwards, little spikes

36:33

of Margaret's teeth are coming out of

36:35

his head when he's shampooing. In the

36:37

shower and blink on the tiles. Not

36:40

big, tiny bits. You like horror movies?

36:42

Yeah. I know your husband does. Well,

36:44

yeah. No, I don't like them very

36:46

much actually if I'm honest. What? But

36:49

I liked Evil Dead Rise because that

36:51

was freaking hilarious. I really enjoyed it.

36:53

I get too scared. I don't want

36:55

to, you know, I used to love

36:57

them as a child. But Robert, right?

37:00

Rob. Yeah. Rob, sorry. Well, I'd say

37:02

Rob. Yeah. But Evil Dad, the original,

37:04

Evil Dead Two, and the list of

37:06

movies. I'm just like, and you met

37:09

on set? No, I met when Zeno

37:11

was going to series, series. So I'd

37:13

just been playing roles on Hercules the

37:15

legendary journeys at the time and Then

37:18

it was going to spin off and

37:20

I met him he came down to

37:22

meet who was going to be the

37:24

star And he thought I was crazy

37:27

because I was going through a really

37:29

difficult divorce at the time So you

37:31

were just I was well I was

37:33

just stressed to the max and he

37:35

was a try he there was a

37:38

connection right away Not immediately, but pretty

37:40

quick. Yeah, how long you been married?

37:42

28 years? 28 years. But doesn't, he

37:44

produces a lot of these horror movies

37:47

and doesn't he say, you wanna watch

37:49

us or he doesn't care whether you

37:51

watch him or not? No, he doesn't

37:53

care about it. I mean, we barely

37:56

ever look at each other's work. Is

37:58

that true? Yeah, well I'll go to

38:00

the premiere or he'll watch, we do

38:02

watch my TV show together because it's

38:05

fun and it's. light and it's charming.

38:07

But recently he asked to read a

38:09

script that I'd written and I guess

38:11

because he could feel that I was

38:14

really happy with it. He doesn't, you

38:16

don't want to see anything in its

38:18

infancy. It's like we don't, we don't

38:20

have time for that, you know, we're

38:22

not critiquing one and other stuff, but

38:25

he was, I was shocked. I was

38:27

like, you want to read my script.

38:29

He likes the script. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

38:31

I've got new respect for me. Well,

38:34

he's a producer. He could probably make

38:36

it happen, right? No, he only does

38:38

his thing. He won't, I won't talk,

38:40

he won't talk, you won't, he'll, no,

38:43

would he make it happen? No, would

38:45

he make it happen? No, he doesn't

38:47

make it happen. Oh, he might make

38:49

a connection, but no, not really. It

38:52

wouldn't occur to me to even ask

38:54

him. What? Twenty years of marriage, I

38:56

would say, hey, make this fucking happen.

38:58

No, I got used to living without

39:01

him long ago. No, we're great. We're

39:03

great friends. And we're... Here's the thing

39:05

we worked together. I just did whatever

39:07

I was told as an actor. Now...

39:09

I want to do what I want

39:12

to do and there can be only

39:14

one. This is Highlander. You know, our

39:16

jobs are like Highlander. You can't have

39:18

two of us in the same production

39:21

anyway. I mean, look at all the

39:23

stuff you've done. I mean, especially, you

39:25

know, coming from Zena, Warrior Princess, and

39:27

like, did you think that that was

39:30

going to be it? Like, this is

39:32

probably what I'm going to be known

39:34

as and do, and did you ever

39:36

have those fears? Did you ever feel

39:39

like I don't want to do this

39:41

fucking anymore? Yeah, a couple of times.

39:43

But what can you do? You've got

39:45

a contract. You have to get a

39:47

new attitude. You're stuck. You can't be

39:50

a bitch to everybody and in New

39:52

Zealand, they won't let you. So... Can't

39:54

you just like say I'm gonna just

39:56

eat a lot and I'm not going

39:59

to look good in my outfit? I

40:01

did that like in the first... because

40:03

I was going to a divorce. So

40:05

you know what, when I first met

40:08

Rob? Okay, we come over here to

40:10

you. We're at Universal Studios doing some

40:12

big sort of welcome to Hollywood kind

40:14

of thing. He sends me like eight

40:17

kilos of cheese to my freaking hotel

40:19

room, like welcome to Hollywood. And then

40:21

he tells me I need to lose

40:23

ten pounds. Oh my God. What's with

40:26

all cheese, dude? Yeah. But I can

40:28

see that was a very personal gift

40:30

because he sure loves cheese. But look

40:32

at the Sparticus, Blood and Sand, Battle

40:34

Star, Galactic, Parks and Rec, my life

40:37

is murder. I can keep going Ash

40:39

versus Evil dead, Salem, Sandler, Adam Sandler's

40:41

bedtime store is the L word, curb

40:43

your enthusiasm. Want me to stop? Yeah,

40:46

you just don't, well, yeah. I mean,

40:48

that's a lot of stuff and it's

40:50

so different. It's like, do you look

40:52

back and go, wow, I'm really proud

40:55

of what I've accomplished and what I've

40:57

done? Were you and were you always

40:59

pushing yourself to go further and further?

41:01

No, I'm, I wasn't pushing myself. I've

41:04

just sort of go, oh, that looks

41:06

like the next most interesting thing. I'll

41:08

do that. I'm not, haven't been very

41:10

concerted about my career and I was

41:13

raising kids and that probably had first

41:15

call on my brain. But now, now

41:17

when I do things, I'm in there

41:19

before the money and I am chasing

41:21

them. When you are there before the

41:24

money and you chase it and get

41:26

it made. That belongs to you. You

41:28

know, I was just the public face

41:30

of other people's hard work on all

41:33

my acting things. It wasn't mine. So

41:35

I don't have the same level of

41:37

pride. I'm really, really grateful. And I

41:39

am proud of them, but it's not

41:42

the same kind as when you've generated

41:44

something yourself. What are you most proud

41:46

of? This documentary? I am really proud

41:48

it was really hard. How many years?

41:51

Only two and a half it was

41:53

pretty short plus I did a TV

41:55

show and there was COVID in the

41:57

middle of it so But and that's

41:59

what I was talking about earlier. It's

42:02

like you got to do what you

42:04

love. It's two and a half years

42:06

from the first email. That's amazing. That's

42:08

amazing. That's amazing. I couldn't get anything

42:11

in the Sundance. Yet. It's fine. Yeah.

42:13

And that's what I was talking about

42:15

earlier. It's like you got to do

42:17

what you love. And it used to

42:20

be where it's like. That used to

42:22

be it's now. It's my agents will

42:24

go this is what they're looking for

42:26

They want this they want this and

42:29

I go I don't want to just

42:31

do make that to yeah, you can't

42:33

you're right But you're right unless you

42:35

have to so I'm grateful that I

42:38

don't have to do that and I

42:40

could you know try to create my

42:42

own things and I pitch them and

42:44

sometimes most the time they reject them

42:46

and Yeah, but I love it like

42:49

for the first time of my life.

42:51

I'm not kidding in the last three

42:53

years I write because I

42:55

love it. And I don't look

42:57

at the end result as whether

43:00

it's a success or not. I

43:02

look at the process and the

43:04

enjoyment and how much better I

43:06

can make something and hopefully sell

43:08

it and get other people excited

43:10

about it. And that's the great

43:12

stuff. You know, and I never

43:14

knew that. I would just... It's

43:16

the God gene. You know, I...

43:18

I know somebody's written a book

43:20

called The God Genes, I don't

43:22

know what that is, but what

43:24

I call the God Genes, this,

43:26

this, that spark of creativity, that

43:28

when you make something, an idea,

43:30

something out of nothing, that's come

43:32

through you, you know, and sometimes

43:34

you don't even know how you're

43:36

channeled, this great idea, right? You

43:38

don't feel like you own it,

43:40

it's happening through you kind of

43:42

thing. That's the magic, and that's

43:44

what you have to follow. I'm

43:46

losing more of my ego as

43:48

the years go on. Meaning, let

43:50

people that are brighter than you

43:52

and even more talented take over

43:54

certain. bring this bring it yeah

43:56

I pitched it great let's make

43:58

it can help me get made

44:00

yeah you're the creator but you're

44:02

gonna have to step us like

44:05

great I want to see this

44:07

fucking thing made it was my

44:09

idea right I don't care anymore

44:11

I just want to make cool

44:13

things yeah and and it takes

44:15

a village It takes a village.

44:17

And that's, it used to be

44:19

where I was like, no, no,

44:21

I'm doing this and I want

44:23

to, I want to direct this

44:25

or I want to be the,

44:27

it's like, no, just, that's not

44:29

important. What's important is the work

44:31

and enjoying it and working with

44:33

people you love, hopefully, because I'm

44:35

sure. Have you worked with people

44:37

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47:37

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47:39

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47:43

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47:45

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47:47

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47:50

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47:54

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47:56

by my friend Heath and Simon

47:58

Shuster's putting it out. It's going

48:00

to be in tons of bookstores

48:02

and available on Amazon. I'm so

48:04

proud of it. I worked with

48:07

somebody that was stuffed down my

48:09

craw. I had to work with

48:11

food. What does that mean? Stuff

48:13

down your craw? I said, I

48:15

can't work with this person. I'm

48:17

telling you. Something's wrong with this

48:19

person. I got told I didn't

48:22

know what I was talking about.

48:24

And it turned out that they

48:26

were watching porn the whole time.

48:28

And no wonder, no wonder, it

48:30

all made sense. And I was

48:32

like, yes, they're a porn addict.

48:34

That's getting any value. The worst

48:37

colleague ever, right? So, like, buy

48:39

all the... means be a pawnee,

48:41

but not on my time, not

48:43

on my time. So dirty, like

48:45

inappropriate. I don't know, I didn't

48:47

see it. But we're inappropriate with

48:49

you on set, perhaps. No, this

48:51

is not, this is a different

48:54

situation, but I also make other

48:56

things, but yeah, when people aren't

48:58

good collaborators and aren't open and

49:00

don't take the best idea in

49:02

the room, which is part of

49:04

that egolessness. Or condescending. Yeah. Boo!

49:06

Anyway, those experience have tempered me

49:09

and made me like, I, no

49:11

one will ever fuck with me

49:13

that way again because I back

49:15

myself and, and I want to

49:17

tolerate people who tell me that

49:19

I'm just, I'm just a little

49:21

girl. You know, maybe I didn't

49:24

take myself seriously enough before, you

49:26

know? Yeah, or probably, yeah, but

49:28

now I do. That's great. A

49:30

lot of people don't have the

49:32

courage to stand up and I

49:34

think now more and more it's

49:36

changing, which is great. But were

49:39

there times where you just said,

49:41

stop it, don't talk to me

49:43

like that. This is how, have

49:45

you ever had one of those

49:47

moments? I've had some. One time

49:49

back on Xena where we had

49:51

some actor from another country came

49:53

to New Zealand was just holding

49:56

the whole crew up and you

49:58

don't have time for that especially

50:00

on a show like that where

50:02

we're all we're all hustling together

50:04

and I was only the head

50:06

of the acting department and we're

50:08

a family and we all moved

50:11

together you know and this guy

50:13

didn't understand the thought that I

50:15

would indulge his caprice and I

50:17

went down and I ripped open

50:19

the door and I said, get

50:21

on that set and say your

50:23

lines. Wow. And he, I don't

50:26

think he understood that I'm not

50:28

that kind of a star and

50:30

I was married to producer for

50:32

God's sake. So I was raised

50:34

in the business as kind of

50:36

on the producer side for better

50:38

or for worse, whether that helped

50:41

me or not. But anyway, that's

50:43

a fact. Tell me about. your

50:45

time on Saturday Live, I just

50:47

have to ask you. Because... Oh,

50:49

that was amazing. It's amazing. I

50:51

mean, when you're Stevie Nix and

50:53

Fajita Roundup, there you go again

50:55

saying you want burrito. Yeah, you

50:58

know, I had... Yeah, I'd seen

51:00

Stevie Nix on something, she had

51:02

really black eyes for whatever reason,

51:04

and I asked them for these...

51:06

Could I have contacts like that,

51:08

and they got me fitted real

51:10

quick, and then bung these things,

51:13

and to do the skid. And

51:15

I couldn't see anybody and I

51:17

was really alone in my head.

51:19

It's black as anything because I've

51:21

got these stupid contacts and right.

51:23

And I did not think the

51:25

skin was funny. I didn't understand

51:28

the cultural references. So maybe that

51:30

was the magic ingredient is that

51:32

I didn't think it was funny.

51:34

You know? I. Love that scene.

51:36

Yeah, it's so funny. It's like

51:38

because you can imagine okay This

51:40

is what she's doing now. She's

51:43

a huge rock star and she's

51:45

like this gypsy and like cool

51:47

and mysterious and and now she's

51:49

got this fajita joint and this

51:51

is what she's doing to attract

51:53

people to come to it and

51:55

this is she's lost her mind

51:57

man she's okay see that's a

52:00

real Hollywood thing right yeah and

52:02

it's like this is so sad

52:04

but so terrific oh my god

52:06

you see Iran you have to

52:08

watch it it is so and

52:10

you commit it's not you're so

52:12

fearless you're so fearless and that's

52:15

what I love about you because

52:17

I think you are fearless and

52:19

you just embodied her Like I

52:21

believe that was Stevie fucking next.

52:23

Yes. As a little kid I

52:25

used to like figure out her

52:27

harmonies and things you know. Oh

52:30

yeah the singing you're singing it

52:32

was like oh my god I

52:34

was singing it out loud I

52:36

was like wow you can fucking

52:38

sing I mean you did a

52:40

musical thing no but they ask

52:42

you when you go to S&L

52:44

can you do any voices can

52:47

you know do you do any

52:49

impressions so they'll mind whatever you've

52:51

got to bring and then they'll

52:53

write around that that's how that's

52:55

how that happens. Well, yeah,

52:57

because I didn't think it was funny

53:00

and I said to lawn lawn dude,

53:02

you know, it's not funny. Please cut

53:04

it. Don't you know, no, no, it's

53:06

really funny. Well, he said no, no,

53:09

I think it's a sleeper hit. I

53:11

don't know. It's a sleeper hit. I

53:13

sound like going to Wilson instead of,

53:15

yeah, it's not like, it's like, it's

53:17

really great what you're doing. I don't

53:20

know anybody. I don't know. I don't

53:22

know. You have a choice. I like

53:24

Owen as an actor. I don't really

53:26

know. Luke's worked too well. Spartacus was

53:28

the first time you did nude scenes?

53:31

Yes, I think so. I've lacked it

53:33

all out. Did they ask you beforehand

53:35

like, hey, there's going to be some

53:37

nude scenes? Oh, we knew. Yeah, I

53:40

knew. You knew. Were you not looking

53:42

forward to it? Certainly not. No. I

53:44

don't look forward to it. I mean,

53:46

I haven't done it. I haven't, I've

53:48

been, well, now that your next fix,

53:51

you don't have all kinds of fun.

53:53

Oh, yeah. Oh, baby. Are you ready?

53:55

But I haven't been exposed like that,

53:57

but, you know, it's different. It's like.

54:00

And it is, like people try to say, is it fun? Is it cool?

54:02

Is it like make out scenes and all that? It's like, it really

54:04

is work. It's like work. It becomes like, it's, there's 50 people around you.

54:06

It's really stressful. Yeah. I mean, there's been some people I enjoyed kissing,

54:08

like it wasn't a bad day at work. I'm not gonna lie, it's not

54:10

all shit. Have you done nudes? Not nude. It's horrible. Yeah, I can't relate

54:12

because I can't relate because I haven't because I haven't because I haven't

54:14

because I haven't because I haven't really because I haven't really,

54:16

because I haven't really, because I haven't really, because I haven't

54:18

really, because I haven't really, because I haven't really, because I

54:21

haven't really, because I haven't really, like, like, like, like, like, like,

54:23

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, But we

54:25

would have all these extras, right?

54:27

And they would get people from

54:29

what turns out to be the porn

54:32

capital of New Zealand, so we'd

54:34

hire all these people who habitually

54:36

do such things and get them

54:39

to choreograph their own scenes. So

54:41

that's an orgy scene, right? we

54:43

would have these young women come

54:45

in and we would dress them

54:47

up as you know in fabulous

54:49

costumes like you've got a long

54:52

peacock tail and it's made with

54:54

real peacock feathers etc or or

54:56

tiger or something or other. They

54:58

looked amazing but when you have

55:00

long dresses and things you're always

55:02

stepping on one of somebody

55:04

else's tail right? So I remember

55:07

somebody stepped on the tiger's tail and

55:09

she turned around like and we're like

55:11

who, who, who, hey! No problem.

55:13

We just stitch it back up. We're going

55:16

to film set. These things happen.

55:18

There's no... But she was gonna

55:20

kill. And I thought, that's an

55:22

interesting phenomenon. Why did she react

55:24

like that? Wow. And I realized

55:26

that if you're in the sex

55:28

trade and somebody rips off your...

55:30

You know your real hair ponytail

55:32

about drag if you punch out yeah you

55:34

miss all that that cost them a lot

55:36

of money Yeah, she was gonna kill for

55:38

that. Yeah, and I thought yeah, well, what

55:40

do they have to do to earn the

55:42

money for you know, their long hair

55:45

extensions or something? It was just

55:47

interesting. It's like this is my

55:49

world baby. Don't fuck it We had

55:51

to teach them. It's okay. There are

55:54

no there's no enemies here. No one's

55:56

gonna hurt you know it's gonna blame you.

55:58

We just fix things loves you

56:00

and you love them. I do. Where

56:02

did that all start really?

56:05

Started with Zena and

56:07

the Village Voice which first

56:09

grabbed on to the Lesbionic

56:11

themes which Renee and I

56:14

did not see in the

56:16

characters but the writers totally

56:18

knew what they were doing because

56:20

Liz Friedman's a gay woman she

56:23

writes a lot of great TV

56:25

shows and Roble they knew they

56:27

knew what they were doing because

56:30

they're trying to make a show

56:32

that Sits on with the brink

56:34

of society right now. What what's

56:36

the the boundary of society

56:38

we're gonna bounce on that

56:41

so in Spartacus it was

56:43

sort of nudity and and

56:45

male-on-male relationships and You know

56:47

all those power dynamics

56:49

for Xena was yeah the gay

56:51

thing was still extremely new and

56:54

also like interracial

56:56

relationships, even interspecies, because

56:58

there was a little

57:01

bit of, you know,

57:03

centaur human hookups. That's

57:05

amazing. You love going to

57:07

cons, conventions? I

57:09

go to very few, because you

57:11

just get sick at them. Is it

57:14

like a shit show for you?

57:16

Are there tons of people in

57:18

line waiting for you? Yes, they're

57:20

very good to me. They are, so you

57:22

go there and you don't have like, oh, I

57:24

wish somebody would come. No, no, no, no. No,

57:27

no, no. No, I, and you stay in. I can tell

57:29

you about that. That's happened before. Where

57:31

it's like, wow, thought this would be

57:33

busier. Should we get another coffee? Yeah.

57:36

And you always get these spies from

57:38

the other, you know, coming and like,

57:40

Loufrijnoa always pads over and goes, is

57:42

counting how many people you've got, how

57:44

many people you've got, how many people

57:47

you've got, But you like the cons,

57:49

but it's a lot for you. Yes,

57:51

I don't really do them very

57:53

much anymore. No. And you probably

57:56

won't continue doing a lot

57:58

of them. So if you go... then

58:00

it's like go, fans should go because

58:02

they might not see you again. That,

58:04

I guess so, I guess. When's your

58:06

next one? You don't even have

58:08

one scheduled. No, there is only

58:10

one that I do every year and

58:13

that is in Los Angeles in January.

58:15

So I do actually know. So I

58:17

do, in Los Angeles in January.

58:19

So I do actually know that.

58:21

Don't they have a big New

58:23

Zealand one? It's called Armageddon Con

58:26

or something? Yes, I've never been

58:28

Australia four times. Is New Zealand

58:31

better? Of course. Well, what's

58:33

the difference? What's the difference

58:36

between a gnar and a

58:38

gnar? No. No. What is

58:40

the New Zealand no? No.

58:42

No. And an Australian no.

58:45

It just depends where

58:47

you're, like if you're in

58:49

Queensland, I suppose you might

58:51

say no. That's how it

58:53

would be. Like, Marga's sister

58:55

would say no. It's much

58:57

more, so it's softer and

58:59

sits back in the mouth

59:01

a little bit more like

59:03

a southern accent. So New

59:05

Zealanders will always do a

59:07

southern accent better than North

59:09

American and as the standard

59:12

American accent. Can you do that

59:14

again? The softer one? No. No. It's

59:16

very good. It's perfect. Does it? Yeah.

59:18

I think it's a... I don't know if it's

59:21

a quadrathong. I keep going in the

59:23

world in a different world. Yeah, yeah,

59:25

there you go. Kind of like that.

59:27

Australian Owen Wilson or New

59:29

Zealand, Owen Wilson. Yeah, Australia's got

59:32

much more attack. It's much more

59:34

staccato than it's. Yeah, you don't

59:36

get upset. I asked, who did

59:38

I ask? Restarby? Restarby. That's

59:40

what the first thing I said. I said to

59:42

do, is there a big rival or

59:45

boots and Australians in Australia in

59:47

New Zealand. New Zealand. What did you

59:49

say to that? He said, yeah, I

59:51

think he said yes. Yes, but mostly

59:53

coming from the little guy and it's

59:56

a little brother who's more, you know,

59:58

upset about big little. So New

1:00:00

Zealanders feel it more than Australians who

1:00:02

are like, why do you hate me?

1:00:04

Like, what I do to you. Yeah.

1:00:06

Have you ever in your life, because

1:00:09

you've done this for a while,

1:00:11

you've been in this industry, and it

1:00:13

can get to you. I mean, I

1:00:15

know you had a good upbringing, but

1:00:17

have you ever gone through depression? Have

1:00:19

you ever gone through anxiety? Have

1:00:21

you ever had to go to therapy?

1:00:24

Oh, yes. Really? What's the worst

1:00:26

or one of the worst moments

1:00:28

in your life that you can

1:00:30

remember where you're just like

1:00:32

I have to see someone I'm not

1:00:34

right? Well I witnessed another family's

1:00:37

tragedy once and because it wasn't

1:00:39

my family I thought I was

1:00:41

okay but actually it was

1:00:44

something I couldn't cope with and

1:00:46

three months later I'm barely

1:00:48

sleeping it's all like white noise.

1:00:50

I was living in Los Angeles

1:00:52

Rob was doing a TV show in, I

1:00:54

guess, New Zealand or film somewhere. And I

1:00:57

had two little boys at school that I

1:00:59

supposed to drive to Tarzana and back, you

1:01:01

know, I was living in Studio City, and

1:01:03

I could barely drive like I was falling

1:01:05

asleep at the wheel and I went, oh

1:01:07

my God, I've got to go see somebody.

1:01:10

So I went to this internist, those kind

1:01:12

of, they're not sick, but they, you know,

1:01:14

wear the turbins and that stuff and I

1:01:16

think Beth Hills. Is this, are you talking

1:01:18

about psychics? No, they're not seeks.

1:01:21

They're whatever, you know, somebody,

1:01:23

anyway, in turn, it's proper

1:01:26

doctors, but they also have

1:01:28

other disciplines going. Anyway, this

1:01:30

guy was sticking pins in

1:01:32

my toes, really deep, and I

1:01:35

was so, I was just sort of

1:01:37

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1:01:39

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couldn't feel the toes. I

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was completely cut off from my

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body. And he's... And he was

1:01:48

getting people to come and say,

1:01:50

look, you know, we've got all

1:01:52

these things, you know, fins deep

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in her toes, and she doesn't

1:01:56

feel anything. And he said to

1:01:58

me, look, you've got PTSD. And,

1:02:00

you know, perhaps you want to

1:02:02

try some antidepressants. And you had

1:02:05

no idea that... Well, I knew,

1:02:07

I knew what the event was

1:02:09

that was affecting me. I did

1:02:11

know that, but I didn't know

1:02:13

how to get out of it

1:02:15

because I was in this terrible

1:02:17

maelstrom of an experience. Right. And

1:02:19

couldn't, could barely feed my kids.

1:02:21

Like boiled eggs three days of

1:02:23

work, right? And, not three days

1:02:25

a week, three times a day.

1:02:27

Anyway, so I knew that drugs

1:02:29

weren't for me. I thought that's

1:02:31

not the answer. So I went

1:02:33

to see the shrank friend of

1:02:35

a friend. And he did sort

1:02:37

of a regression, some sort of

1:02:39

breathing thing, like a pillow in

1:02:41

your face, a hyperventilate, and then

1:02:44

takes you back to that moment

1:02:46

of the traumatic moment. And in

1:02:48

that moment, I sort of found

1:02:50

grace in the situation and a

1:02:52

purpose. It's like, the angel came

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to me that the other people,

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the other family. It wasn't even

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a tragedy for them, hardly. They

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kind of didn't care. But I

1:03:02

cared. And I... It broke all

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my rules, which is kind of

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what PTSD does. Whatever you're experiencing

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1:03:10

everything you ever understood about, compassion,

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the world, safety, blah, blah, blah,

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blah, blah. Got obliterated in that

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angel. I mean, I don't really,

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having a child change someone? If you

1:08:40

look at you before children, having kids,

1:08:42

what changed? What was the biggest thing?

1:08:44

Well it probably stopped me getting into

1:08:47

trouble. I wouldn't say that it changed

1:08:49

me. Maybe I was always going to

1:08:51

be the person as already cast. Are

1:08:53

you a troublemaker? A little bit maybe.

1:08:56

Am I seeing a little Margaret moth

1:08:58

that you're not telling you about? Were

1:09:00

you a partier? By no means, no.

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So you weren't a partier. I had

1:09:05

a baby. I was 19. I was

1:09:07

pregnant and married. Oh wow. That's how

1:09:09

I became lawless. That's how I became

1:09:11

lawless. That's my name. Yeah. I still

1:09:14

can't believe his name. That kept me

1:09:16

out of trouble. Yeah, because I always

1:09:18

had a little kid and then 10

1:09:20

years later had a couple more. I

1:09:23

mean, yeah, I can't imagine like two

1:09:25

dogs are enough for me, I think.

1:09:27

Remember, it's like you'd be a great

1:09:29

father. I'm like, but also there's the

1:09:32

fear, the fear of not being a

1:09:34

great father. Probably, did you, did you

1:09:36

never, I mean, I guess you were

1:09:38

so young, you didn't have time to

1:09:41

think of fear. It was like I'm

1:09:43

pregnant at 19. I'm pregnant at 19.

1:09:45

You know what, I will admit to

1:09:47

you that in times when I felt

1:09:50

freaked out, I defaulted to my mother's

1:09:52

behavior, which was good and solid. There

1:09:54

was time like when the baby's screaming

1:09:56

and you just want to go, shut

1:09:58

up, shake the baby. I know that

1:10:01

my mother didn't... I just acted like

1:10:03

my mother, so I can understand the

1:10:05

fear. And probably now, because you

1:10:07

have been able to individuate

1:10:10

from your parents, you would

1:10:13

be able to. Right, I mean,

1:10:15

usually that happens at

1:10:18

four, right? Yeah. Starts

1:10:20

to happen. You've retroactively

1:10:22

done that, but. Yeah,

1:10:25

you probably would and it would

1:10:28

probably be really healing

1:10:30

because you could do the, do right

1:10:32

by your kid. And in so

1:10:34

doing, parent yourself. You've got

1:10:37

to reparent yourself, hey, that's

1:10:39

what it is. The child

1:10:41

who's abandoned has to reparent

1:10:44

themselves. And you do this in

1:10:46

acting school. You learn that you're

1:10:48

in a child. Sometimes you have

1:10:50

an in it. teenager as well.

1:10:53

And if you're not listening to

1:10:55

them, you can't reintegrate into a

1:10:57

whole human being. So your inner

1:10:59

child is trying to always tells

1:11:02

the truth. The teenager always doesn't

1:11:04

always tell the truth. They don't always

1:11:06

get it right. But they should be listened

1:11:08

to too. So you can go, OK, guys,

1:11:10

I hear you. Now I'm the grown up.

1:11:12

This is what we're going to do. So

1:11:15

you don't have these complaints. And

1:11:17

then eventually, they just become

1:11:19

part of you. And they don't. I mean,

1:11:21

but seriously, but how dare you

1:11:23

like, you just said, I go,

1:11:26

what changed you? And what you just

1:11:28

said was so profound. It's like you

1:11:30

could, I can't even know I

1:11:32

already count. Well, I think it's profound

1:11:34

to a lot of people who are

1:11:37

listening. Maybe not all of them, but

1:11:39

to me, it just hit me in

1:11:41

a way where it's like, hey, you

1:11:43

can change the course. Totally, and

1:11:45

this is part of, yeah, as you

1:11:48

said, it's our journey. Well, as actors,

1:11:50

you do this because you can't access

1:11:52

those parts of your human experience reliably

1:11:54

for different roles if you

1:11:56

haven't examined them. The unexamined life

1:11:59

is not. A, worth living. And B, is

1:12:01

not useful, because it controls you rather than you

1:12:03

utilizing it for your role as an actor. So, I've got

1:12:05

a book for you in my book, in my suitcase. I'm going

1:12:07

to give you the book, the text that I learned, it's really

1:12:09

easy to write. I've got a book for you too. Okay. It's

1:12:12

a fart book. It's right up there. I just published it. Is

1:12:14

it there? Deal. I saw books with you. Right here. Yeah, right

1:12:16

here. Right here. Right here. Right here. Right here. Right here.

1:12:18

Right here. Right here. Right here. Right here. Right here. Right

1:12:20

here. Right here. Right here. Right here. Right here. Right. Right

1:12:22

here. Right here. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right.

1:12:24

Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right.

1:12:27

Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. I'll

1:12:29

give it to you. How old are

1:12:31

your kids? They're 36, 25, and...

1:12:34

No, perfect. It's for adults

1:12:36

too. I want it. I love

1:12:38

it. I love it. It's so fun. I

1:12:40

want it. It's a talented farter.

1:12:43

Pull my finger. I will.

1:12:45

You want me to do it

1:12:47

right now? You're very... I'm... I

1:12:49

really like this interview. Me

1:12:52

too. It's just I don't know

1:12:54

it's just listening to you it's

1:12:56

like you've lived in it's like

1:12:58

you can tell that because the

1:13:00

questions you asked in your documentary

1:13:02

the the I almost said performances

1:13:05

from the real people that are

1:13:07

like being interviewed but it's

1:13:09

like you know how to tell a story

1:13:11

you know how to tell a story

1:13:13

and it shows never look away.

1:13:15

Also, would you think you'd ever return

1:13:17

to any of these shows that

1:13:19

you've been on? Like if they had,

1:13:22

you know, they always have these fucking

1:13:24

revivals of everything. It's like, we're doing

1:13:26

a revival of Save by the

1:13:28

Bell. Wait, they did do that. But

1:13:31

would you do like a parks and

1:13:33

rec thing if they asked you to

1:13:35

come back? Sure. Of course. Probably

1:13:38

not Ash versus Evil Dead. That

1:13:40

looked like it was probably

1:13:42

difficult to shoot. I'm not

1:13:44

even sure what she was

1:13:46

doing. Bruce and I were

1:13:48

always laughing about Ruby like,

1:13:50

what the fuck is this

1:13:52

character for? That, oh, I feel like, you

1:13:54

know, I think Rob wrote that to

1:13:57

keep me in the country. Probably,

1:13:59

right? There's no role in

1:14:01

this film whatsoever. But I love

1:14:03

hanging out with Bruce and Dana.

1:14:05

Tell me about Bruce Campbell, because

1:14:08

he's a friend of mine. I

1:14:10

know you're very close with him.

1:14:12

I love him. He's been on

1:14:14

the podcast. But what do you

1:14:16

think of when you think of

1:14:18

Bruce Campbell? He's just so damn

1:14:21

funny. He's just so genuinely funny.

1:14:23

Genuinely. And kind and decent. And

1:14:25

he's married to a great woman.

1:14:27

And he's interested in nutty things

1:14:29

like, you know, he's going 11

1:14:32

to farm. I don't know, he's

1:14:34

just a special, he's a special

1:14:36

guy. You know how special he

1:14:38

is? I was doing a pilot

1:14:40

and he was in the pilot

1:14:42

and the producers were like, we

1:14:45

love you and this is, we

1:14:47

saw a dailies and you're so

1:14:49

funny and you know, that's deaf.

1:14:51

And then they called the producers

1:14:53

afterwards and they saw a cut

1:14:56

and they were like, yeah, we

1:14:58

think his character is just too

1:15:00

chauvinistic to this. So we, we,

1:15:02

we, We'll pick it up for

1:15:04

five episodes if you let him

1:15:06

go. I mean, they didn't say

1:15:09

it's so probably assholeish, but maybe

1:15:11

they did. But so the producers

1:15:13

called me crying. It was Will

1:15:15

Farrell's company and the producer was

1:15:17

crying Owen. And he was like,

1:15:20

I don't even know where this

1:15:22

came from. We all love you.

1:15:24

I don't know. And he says,

1:15:26

but we have to let you

1:15:28

go. And I just go. Oh,

1:15:30

okay. Well, let's not make this

1:15:33

weird. I love you guys. You're

1:15:35

awesome. I'd work with you again

1:15:37

in a second. Thanks. And I

1:15:39

remember, I told Bruce, you know,

1:15:41

probably the next day or something,

1:15:44

I said, hey, you know, he's

1:15:46

like, good, now come over here

1:15:48

and let's get high and ride

1:15:50

bikes. And we had lunch and...

1:15:52

It was cathartic. It was cathartic.

1:15:54

It was like him saying, yep,

1:15:57

move on, Champ. Here we go.

1:15:59

Yeah, and get into the real

1:16:01

world. Yeah, instead of being in

1:16:03

your head about it. Yeah. Yeah,

1:16:05

it was just a beautiful thing.

1:16:08

Yeah. All right, this is called

1:16:10

shit talking with Lucy Lawless. These

1:16:12

are questions from my patrons who

1:16:14

support the podcast. All right, we're

1:16:16

gonna do this and then we're

1:16:18

done. Are you excited about that?

1:16:21

Because I know you have a

1:16:23

cold. But you haven't sniffled much.

1:16:25

I'm on drugs. Oh, good for

1:16:27

you. running in action scenes you

1:16:29

have in zena? Did you sustain

1:16:32

injuries any long lasting and are

1:16:34

you okay now? Well obviously, okay.

1:16:36

Oh yes, tons of injuries, but

1:16:38

really, why would I go into

1:16:40

that stuff? It just happens. Everybody,

1:16:42

in fact, everybody in the world,

1:16:45

your body is going to sustain

1:16:47

injuries, right? You've got a neck,

1:16:49

what happened to your neck? Ice

1:16:51

hockey and shit my whole life.

1:16:53

It's my tenth spine surgery. I'm

1:16:56

just I'm grateful that I could

1:16:58

right that's why Margaret's um inspiring

1:17:00

to you because just push against

1:17:02

that's why I get emotional when

1:17:04

I see that when I see

1:17:06

the how she keeps going it

1:17:09

does something to you survive and

1:17:11

love love life every minute of

1:17:13

it so yes I was injured

1:17:15

my friend many times knees and

1:17:17

backs and pelvis and things but

1:17:20

It just seems to be part

1:17:22

of being alive and having an

1:17:24

interesting one. Or being one tough

1:17:26

bee. Oh, bitch. I'll let you

1:17:28

say it. That's why I said

1:17:30

B. People will get upset. Oh,

1:17:33

by the way, it's rapid fire.

1:17:35

Dana asked, you made your fight

1:17:37

scenes and Zena, Warrior Princess, look

1:17:39

easy and like you were not

1:17:41

to be played with. What was

1:17:44

the most difficult part of doing

1:17:46

those scenes? I always hated them,

1:17:48

like I was very uncoordinated at

1:17:50

school and it. find myself in

1:17:52

this role. Fortunately I had brilliant

1:17:54

stunt women like Zoe Bell who's

1:17:57

a dear friend and my girlfriend

1:17:59

Dana who's Lincoln on

1:18:01

her last name. But anyway, just awesome

1:18:03

women, so they made it all a

1:18:05

lot easier. Murf C. says, how many

1:18:08

young women have you met who were

1:18:10

named after Zena? No, I meet dogs

1:18:12

and snakes named after Zena. So does

1:18:14

my dog's name Zena? Yeah. Fun enough,

1:18:17

I had an auntie Zena. She lived

1:18:19

to 104. Auntie Zena. Good for her.

1:18:21

Great aunt Zena. Little Lisa, if you

1:18:23

could only have one superpower, what would

1:18:26

it being? I want to be a

1:18:28

talented farter. You hear that? Just promoting

1:18:30

my book. I'm going to read the

1:18:32

book. I'm going to read the book

1:18:35

and find out how it's done. Oh,

1:18:37

it's a quick, smelly read. Last one,

1:18:39

Nikopi. You're amazing and Spartacus. What was

1:18:41

your favorite part about exploring a complex

1:18:44

character such as Lucretia? I really loved

1:18:46

working with Viva behind, because she was...

1:18:48

She was such a great friend through

1:18:50

that and we got up to all

1:18:53

kinds of shenanigans outside of work like

1:18:55

we just amused the hell out of

1:18:57

one another. So the women's, the scenes

1:19:00

in the parlour were so deathly because

1:19:02

my character was always been told that

1:19:04

she was old and ugly and not

1:19:06

good enough and she's always scrambling for

1:19:09

like power and stability and of course

1:19:11

there was none in ancient Rome for

1:19:13

a woman alone right or a woman

1:19:15

whose husband wasn't climbing the ladder you're

1:19:18

dead. So, yeah, the parlour scenes were

1:19:20

really fun to shoot. This is, Ryan,

1:19:22

is this amazing? Yeah, this is, this

1:19:24

is awesome. Okay, good. I interview a

1:19:27

lot of people. You're like the 350th

1:19:29

person, and you're freaking up there. Well,

1:19:31

thank you very much. You're fantastic. The

1:19:33

film, the highly anticipated film, never look

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away. You can get it on digital

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and demand and all that. I urge

1:19:40

you. How about this. Watch it and

1:19:42

if you don't like it, don't listen

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to my podcast anymore. That's how sure

1:19:47

of it I am. I really love

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it. I think you're gonna do anything

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else. Just watch the first three minutes.

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If it doesn't grab you, you can

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stop. Yeah, I think you see boobies

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in the first three minutes too, right?

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A picture of her, right? So if

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you're looking for boobies, then at least

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maybe now, that's what you're looking for.

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there are gonna, I'm trying to get

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them though, at least tune in. Yeah,

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I purvits. Yeah, you don't see any

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be around and I feel comfortable

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around her. It's weird. So I

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wish, I hope everybody goes and

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sees that documentary and supports her

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shout out to anybody else I

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do want to give a shout

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out to because a lot of

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these episodes well I just want

1:22:25

to say thanks again to everybody

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for you know you know my

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grandma passed so I got a

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lot of love from everyone out

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there And it means a lot.

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And there's some other stuff, you

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know, family stuff going on. So

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it's, you know, it's tough. But

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hearing from you guys and the

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support that you give me in

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thank you and thank you, Ryan.

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