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Hello everyone, and welcome to another episode

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of Inside the Studio on I Heart Radio.

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My name is Jordan run Tug, But enough about

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me, let's talk about my guest. She's an

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immensely talented singer songwriter

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who's refused her passion for country music

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with her passion for grunge. You can get a taste

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with her new six track EP One of These

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Days, which features her empowering new single

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more Me, and recent favorites like

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the euphoric Sweetheart and the deeply

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personal title track, and if you still

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want more, I encourage you to check her out on TikTok,

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where she has plenty more songs that are as hilarious

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as they are catching. There's a cautionary

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tale about a man with a mullet, and my

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personal favorite, a track called Sherlock

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Holme Wrecker, which, for my money,

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would do the Dixie Tricks proud. I'm

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so happy to welcome Sophia Scott Well

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first and foremost. Your new song more Me came out

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a few days ago, and I love it so

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much for so many reasons, not least of all that

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introduced me to the phrase small truck energy,

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which we gotta get on a t shirt or something

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that's so good. Um right,

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yeah. Um, you

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said it's a song for anybody who needs to

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find themselves again, which is such a great message.

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Tell me about where that song came from for you. Yeah.

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Well, first I was going to say that maybe I'm

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not supposed to say this yet, but it is being

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on it. It's coming on a T shirt. Send

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you one. Yeah,

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Um, although it's gonna say

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big truck energy, so I

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guess you'd probably sell more. Yes, yes,

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yes, yes, anyway,

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Um, that song is cool

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because um

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it actually, although I do tell it from my own

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point of view, in my own perspective, it's

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actually from it transpired from

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a conversation that I had with a girlfriend one

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night. We were sitting and drinking

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wine on her couch and

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she she was in sort

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of a toxic relationship in

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which I feel like she was being

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controlled more or less, and I

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think, you know, we we were just talking

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a lot about it, and I think she was kind of at the end of her

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rope, and she was like, you know, I

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just need a lot less him and

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a lot more me. And I

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was like, that's a song.

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And I was actually going into the studio like

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a few days later, and so I wrote

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that, and I wanted it to be really fun

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and kind of not like a diss

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on him, but you know,

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yeah, it's a female empowerment song,

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and yeah, I think I don't know, I hope

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that it's relatable. I mean, I I although

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it's told from her perspective, I think that many

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people know that feeling of just losing yourself

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in a relationship with somebody

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else and needing to kind of maybe

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find who you are again and

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get that boundary of how much is, you know, time

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for the relationship versus how much just for myself.

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Yeah, that's a really it's a tough thing to learn,

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it is. Yeah. Sure, Um,

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you've debuted a number

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of just amazing songs on TikTok.

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Sherlock Holme record is a favorite

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of mine, But Mullet over it

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is just donny, I mean,

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an ode to either an ode

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or a cautionary tale. I can't really tell which about

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a man with an F one fifty

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and a mullet What are your plans for all

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these songs? I'm just so blown away by how

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I mean. I'm somebody who's never written a song in his life,

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so this is just like sorcery to me, you have all these

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songs, what are your plans for some of the ones that

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are living on TikTok? Now? Are they slated

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for a future EP, future

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album or so many of them?

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I know there's a lot. I'm actually so happy I

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answered or you asked me this question because I feel

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like everybody's for the

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TikTok audience, especially because they're like, where

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the hell are all these songs? Um?

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But yeah, I

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I have plans to release. I can't

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say all of them right now, but a large

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majority of them. There is an

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album coming, and my debut

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EP comes out next week, so

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some of them are on there, and then some are

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still to come. It's just hard, you know. I

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feel like people don't realize just how

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much goes into like actually putting a song out

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and all that, and so then I I've kind of tried

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to scale it back now with releasing all the demos

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because I feel like now I have angry fans that are

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like, how is it all?

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They are so great? But yeah, I'm

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glad you like Mullet, one

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of my favorites. I did get some

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angry um men with Mullets

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that did not like these songs so much. But

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you know, it's not a dis on mullets.

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It's just a it's a it's a guy.

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It's just on a guy. Yeah. I was like, I actually love mullets,

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so I wanted to be said that

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I love mullets. Speaking

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of just this incredible wealth of music

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you have, not too far back, you released another single

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One of these Days, which is absolutely

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gorgeous song. I know it's a very special long

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for you from a very personal place. Can

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you tell me a little bit about that track. It sounds like it

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was something that was kind of, uh in the

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works for for years. He wrote that years

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ago, right, yes, yes, well you've done your

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research. Um, I appreciate

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it. Yeah, I appreciate your music.

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Thank you. Um

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So Yeah, I wrote that song almost

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like four years ago actually, and I've I've

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been holding it in my back pocket, I guess because

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it is so personal and I think, you

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know, since writing it really

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opened up a door

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to my songwriting as far as

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like being able to become vulnerable.

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I think I had written a lot of breakup

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songs that sort of scratched the surface

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of you know, going into that, but I

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had never it's very scary

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as a songwriter to actually

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go deep and talk about things that might

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make some relationships

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in your life uncomfortable. Um,

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if that makes sense. Um, you know, just this

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song talks about my parents divorce, and

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for a really long time, I was so

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scared to play it for them, even though it's not you

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know, it's not dashing really either of

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them. It's just talking about a personal

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experience that I had with that. And I

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think I

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have realized, especially

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through writing it. And and that's

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only really one aspect of the song. The song

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is about a lot more than that, but that's the first

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verse. And I think, you

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know, music to me growing up

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has always been a

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healing that's something that can

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help heal me, you know, or just at least make me feel

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less alone. And when other songwriters

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or just other artists that I love are

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willing to go there and willing to go to that

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vulnerial place and talk about, you know, some

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real stuff, I think, you

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know, I I, for whatever reason that

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day, I was like, I gotta go there. I gotta

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like, I gotta do it. It's like my therapy. And

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and I hadn't I had never written with either

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of these two other songwriters who I wrote

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co wrote it with and they

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were like, let's like talk about

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some real ship basically, and

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I was like yeah, and um,

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so we ended up writing that. And I

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think the song really has become

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this like because yes, the first

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verse is about my parents, but then it it's

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about my own realization

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with just love and life in my

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own breakups and you

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know, then into my career and

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just how you know. I think I

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hate saying everything happens for a reason because

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I don't know that that's necessarily the

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message, but but that there's

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through any difficult situation

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that you go through, there's growth and their

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strength on the other side, and you

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know you you can come out of it. And I think it's

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it's become my personal reminder of

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just knowing that I can. I can do anything, and

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I can I can find strength through

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any sort of bad situation

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I go through. I

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almost got the sense that it was like the flip side of your

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song Sweetheart in a way. I mean, the

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one of these days it's all about the hard times, and

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then Sweethearts kind of all about the good

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stuff that can come the other side of it. Yeah,

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Well it's funny because that so

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that actually leads me into why

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I called the record

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or the EPs is called One of these

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Days also, um, and I kind

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of decided after going back

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and forth through a million different titles

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and trying to figure out what I wanted to call the project,

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we landed on One of these Days because

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I think all the other songs fit

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into that same message. And Sweetheart,

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you know, is the second

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verse of One of these Days, essentially like shrilled

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into one, if that makes sense. You know, it's about

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my high school sweetheart,

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and you know, just wishing wishing

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him well and knowing that there's I

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don't know that your first love is

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a complicated thing, but also I think a wonderful

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thing, and you learned so many lessons from

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that situation. And I, you know, I

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wanted to we put it out around Valentine's

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Day, and I wanted to like just

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basically give an ode to all sweethearts

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and all first loves and wishing them

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well and knowing that although it didn't work out, you know,

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we can still appreciate it for what it

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was and still see the sweet in the sweethearts,

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you know. Oh, absolutely,

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I hope everybody looks back

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on their first you know, love fondly

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and it has that because that's such a special

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thing for me, and I think of how much I

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learned and how you know, special they

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still are to mean, wherever they are, I have no idea where they

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are right now, but I still, you know, think about them

9:37

from time to time and it's yeah, No,

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I think that's a that's a wonderful place to be at.

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And I hope that people have that. I'll

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call it a gift, you know, that to look back on

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that time in their life and that person in their life fondly.

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Totally. Yep, I agree. I

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but one of these days maybe what an incredible

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song I love. I love the two versions you have

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the uh I think you called it the sad

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piano version of a st down

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version of it too, But it's it's it's

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such an amazing song. And I was curious,

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and I love asking songwriters this because

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I always get a different answer. Do you ever

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learn something about yourself? When

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having finished the song and heard it back? I liken

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it to like a dream reading. Do you ever hear

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the song back? And I said like, oh my god, this

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is this is what I meant by this. I didn't

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know it at the time, But I honestly

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have chills because I just

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was talking about this the other day. Like with

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songs that I wrote three years

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ago, I'll be like,

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I'll listen to and I'll be like, oh my god, it's

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like I didn't even know what I was talking about

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when I wrote it, but it was like I got it out

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and now listening back, I'm like, this,

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this is more real to me than it than it

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was when I wrote it, if that makes sense, Like three

10:47

years later somehow it's

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like, oh, now this actually

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makes more sense than it did when

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I wrote it. I don't know how that's possible, but

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yeah, it's interesting. It's yeah,

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it means something new. I guess,

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oh totally. I mean it's like in dreams, you kind of disguise

11:05

whatever it is you're going through in other

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people their pictures, other scenes, whatever

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it is, and then you need to get some perspective

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from it to read into the metaphors

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or whatever it is. I guess it's so interesting

11:17

completely well, and I think that even like you

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know, I think not that

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history repeats itself, but it's like you go

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through cycles of life, and so these

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songs that you know, maybe they don't

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necessarily correlate to

11:32

what you're going through in this specific time. They

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will at another time in your life when you're going through

11:37

it again or whatever. Yeah. Oh

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that's a great point. Yeah. We we definitely have patterns

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that we return to and behaviors

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relationships, some good, some bad. But for

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sure, is

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writing daily practice for you like some people

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jog or do yoga. Is it's something that that you do

12:04

every day. Yeah, I mean

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I do it every day, whether

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whether I'm in an actual writing session. I

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do writing sessions. At

12:14

least I was, like in the past six months, I was

12:16

writing like four or five times a week, which

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ended up being a

12:21

little bit too much, especially once

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I had like the music and I kind of had to take a step

12:26

back for a minute and live my life so that

12:28

I had things to write about. Um. But

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yeah, I mean, whether whether it's

12:33

an actual writing session where I'm going in with the

12:35

intention of writing a full song, or just like

12:38

I voiced memo stuff every day,

12:40

or like little titles will come to me

12:42

inspiring like quotes or just like

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phrases or whatever it is will come

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to me, or if it's just like a feeling that I don't want to

12:48

forget so that I you know, because

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I always find that when

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the inspiration hits

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or like when lightning strikes, I guess, as

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they say, it's be come really

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important for me to sit down and write it because

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sometimes, or like in the past, I

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would be like in the middle

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of doing something and have this creative moment

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or creative feeling of inspiration and

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be like, oh, I'll just come back to it. I won't

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forget it. But it's so different when

13:16

you come back to it, you don't

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you don't have the same emotion into

13:21

writing it. So I feel like it's very important. And I feel

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like any writer, songwriter, or

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just like author, whatever it is, would maybe

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say the same thing. It's like when it comes, write

13:29

it down and like get the feelings out, because

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I think that's when it's the most valuable

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and the most emotional and real. What

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is that that flash look like to you? Is

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it? Is it a melody in your

13:41

head? Is it a feeling? Is it a fragment

13:43

of lyric? Is it all the above?

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Is it all the above at different times? What does that

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look like? It's different at different

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times. I think, you know, it's crazy. Like recently

13:53

it's been happening to me in dreams, which

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has never happened before. But

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I'll have like lyrics or concepts

13:59

come to me or or melodies, and

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I've I've heard Taylor Swift talk about this before and I

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was always like, that's so crazy, and

14:05

I was I was like, I feel like I've manifested

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it into happening for me because it's

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it's I don't know, it's cool, but yeah,

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so so I've been I would

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call it like my it's not a dream journal

14:16

because I just put it in my phone, but my phone

14:19

journal of dreams entrees. I guess

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um that, Like just the other night, I

14:23

had this concept come to me and I woke up from a

14:25

dream and I just wrote it down right away, because otherwise,

14:28

if you don't do it, you forget it. And

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so sometimes, yeah, sometimes it's like

14:32

a melody. Sometimes it's a concept.

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It happens a lot when I'm driving, like

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things will just come to me. I feel

14:40

like, for when I'm flying in an airplane, I feel

14:42

like there's something very ominous.

14:45

I don't know there's I don't like there's a reason. I

14:47

feel like people cry when they're up in the air. It's

14:49

just like you're very vulnerable, yes,

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and you're untethered. And I mean, at least

14:55

if you're me, you're terrified because I hate flying, but you're

14:57

just yeah, you're you're not connected, totally,

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totally. Yeah, And and so I think

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it looks different. It happens

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in various ways, but um,

15:10

when it does happen, it's it's it's cool.

15:12

And I'm just I'm just trying to really get

15:14

into the pattern of

15:16

making sure that I write it down when

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it does happen, because I have found

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that when I don't, I forget it and then it doesn't

15:22

have the same value. Paul

15:25

Cartney talks a lot about that. He's he's one of my

15:27

my favorite, one of my favorite human beings. And

15:29

he talks a lot about how he wrote yesterday if

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he woke up with just that melody in his head

15:34

and he wrote let it Be from a dream from

15:36

his his late mother coming to him, and I love

15:38

that. I love those stories. Oh wow, I didn't

15:40

know that about let it Be. That's cool. Oh

15:42

yeah, So it's so interesting to see that the role

15:45

of subconscious plays

15:47

in songwriting is just so cool to me. I think

15:49

it's so interesting. Yeah, you know, Prince

15:51

always talks about and I've heard other

15:53

people like Jim Morrison used to always say,

15:56

um that like

15:59

it feels sometimes he feels like the

16:01

heavens are just or whether it's the heavens

16:03

or the universe or whatever coming through

16:05

him and he's like it's not. He would he would

16:07

say, you know, it wasn't even me writing it. It was

16:09

like someone coming through me and writing this song

16:12

and it just came out and it's like it was

16:14

like it was meant to be. Like

16:17

basically, you're like this vessel of creativity

16:19

from whatever other universe

16:22

or you know, things out there, which I

16:24

always thought was so cool. I'm waiting

16:26

for that moment too. It's

16:29

so it will happen, Oh my god. I mean, it's

16:31

just yeah, I really do think that. I

16:34

mean, music has been such a part

16:36

of human history seemingly since the beginning, and

16:38

people talk about it being some kind of linked to the divine,

16:41

and you know, as as music fans, you're

16:44

tempted to believe that, you know. I mean, there's something I

16:49

want to ask you, what kind of role does

16:51

storytelling play on your music? Because

16:53

I know that's not a necessity

16:56

for a hit, but I get the sense that for you

16:58

that a good story is just as important is a good

17:00

melody. Yeah. Well, I mean

17:03

in my day to day life, I'm a storyteller,

17:06

for better or for worse. My friends would

17:08

tell you, like, for the longest time, I

17:10

was going to call the EP long story

17:12

short because it's a joke with my friends that I'll

17:14

be like, long story short and then I'll tell the longest

17:16

story ever and yeah,

17:19

thank you. Well it might well, yeah,

17:22

we'll see it might be used in another way, but

17:25

um, thank you. I yeah,

17:27

I am very much a storyteller.

17:30

I think that that's what drew

17:32

me to country music more than anything else, is

17:34

the stories that you know are

17:36

told through country music, like

17:40

unlike any other genre. I

17:42

think country music has the best stories, and

17:45

you know, from as

17:47

long as it goes back, you know, they

17:50

were taught, you know, I

17:53

guess, and and like

17:57

when I was growing up listening

17:59

to those stories is the thing that

18:01

that's where like, that's the thing that invokes the most

18:04

feeling and the thing

18:06

that I think can really

18:08

help people, I

18:10

guess, is hearing a full story and

18:12

seeing how it can relate to their own

18:14

lives or or

18:17

in some way shape or form or just to hear

18:20

the story is is really cool. I mean, I

18:22

think that while

18:25

my while my production is maybe

18:27

a little more pop sole leaning,

18:29

the sticking to the storyteller aspect

18:32

is very important to me. And it's

18:34

just yes, the way I like to write. Have

18:37

there been some artists that you know that

18:39

made you see the

18:42

power of storytelling and songs? I know you

18:44

mentioned people like Shania Twain in the past and Atlanta's

18:47

more set completely and I actually

18:49

I never bring this one up, but Don Henley

18:51

is a very big inspo

18:54

for me, and I feel like his

18:56

his storytelling. I mean he's not I wouldn't

18:58

say country artist, but he is

19:01

a great storyteller and just a great lyricist.

19:03

And I think, um,

19:05

he's just someone that can tell a story in such

19:08

a way. I mean Joni Mitchell too, Like

19:10

I feel like there's just deep meaning

19:13

and metaphors in what

19:15

they write about and just a way that's like it's

19:20

just it makes

19:22

you feel less alone in the world

19:24

or something I don't know, and

19:26

and so I think that, yeah, that's just

19:29

a very important also aspect

19:32

of music for me and sharing my own music

19:34

is is that you know what I was talking

19:36

about one of these days earlier, and just

19:39

the fear of talking about my parents going through

19:42

a divorce and having them hear

19:44

it. Which when I did play it for them, they

19:46

were they loved it and they were completely fine with it

19:48

and it was all okay. But had

19:50

I had a song like that growing up

19:53

to listen to when I was going through it

19:55

would have been so helpful. And so I think that, you

19:57

know, that's what I meant by music being able to

19:59

heal, just help us in

20:01

any ways. Oh

20:03

absolutely, man, it's like that. Ever see Almost

20:05

Famous? Oh please, my favorite? You

20:09

know we never you get lonely, go down to the record store,

20:11

you see your friends. I mean, I think that we

20:13

all had that period

20:15

in our lives, and I think there's a little piece of us

20:17

that's still has that. You know us

20:19

too, it's we connect the music in that way completely.

20:22

Oh that's the best movie. Oh my

20:24

god. Yeah, I mean that's I mean, you know, I'm a music

20:26

journalist and that that movie is probably

20:29

se Yeah,

20:32

yeah, I mean probably. I'm sure I'm not alone

20:34

in that, but uh yeah, totally.

20:37

But have you had the chance to meet or perform

20:39

with with any of these these formative figures

20:42

in your musical development. I know you were just on the

20:44

Kelly Clarkson Show recently, so

20:46

that that's that story is cool actually because

20:49

um, one of these days when I wrote

20:51

it, Um, we for

20:54

whatever reason, they wanted that they really liked

20:56

the song, and they were like, do you mind if we pitch this Kelly

20:58

Clarkson is looking for us song and

21:01

Kelly Clarkson's looking and I was like, I mean, it

21:04

was such a personal song to me. But also I was like,

21:06

but if Kelly Clarkson wants it, let's go. Um

21:09

and so or like we'll see. I don't know, you

21:11

know, I was, I feel bad saying that now

21:13

because it is like my song, and

21:16

but but I you know, Kelly Clarkson

21:18

is one of my biggest heroes

21:21

and long time, like I don't know, she's

21:24

the American idol, so uh,

21:26

you know, for more than one way. But

21:29

but anyway, she ended up turning

21:31

it down because and I guess she said,

21:33

like this song is it's

21:35

it's too personal, like I can't sing it, like

21:37

I can tell that it's a person, this girl should

21:40

sing it. And so when

21:42

she came when I came on the show and she

21:44

saw that I was like on the guest list. She I guess

21:46

remembered the song and was like, oh, this is

21:48

so cool this this girl pitched me the song

21:50

like however long ago. So it was a really

21:53

cool full circle moment. Oh

21:56

my god, that's so cool. Yeah

21:58

yeah, um yeah, it was cool

22:01

for sure, especially just because she is

22:04

such a such an inspiration to

22:06

me. UM. But yes, to answer your question,

22:09

I UM, I got to perform uh

22:11

last summer with Kelsey Ballerini and the

22:13

Jonas Brothers, which was really freaking

22:16

cool. And then I also got to write

22:18

with egg Usalia and um

22:21

was on her most recent album

22:24

and she ended up featuring me on one of the songs.

22:26

And then she was featured on one of my songs,

22:28

which was really cool and something I never

22:32

anticipated happening at all because

22:34

you know, country and wrap, but now

22:36

once I guess, it's happening, and it's

22:38

happening more often than not. Now,

22:42

this is such a

22:44

a question

22:46

that I'm it's such a boring question, so curious

22:48

how you answered. Given all your different

22:50

influence, did you have any dream collaborators, like

22:52

people that you're just dying to sing

22:55

with, work with, write a song with, anything, so

22:57

many, so many. I mean I could the list could

22:59

go on. But I mean, justin Timberlake

23:02

is a big one, just

23:04

because I feel like he has such the country pop

23:06

thing and I just think he's such a legend and I love

23:08

all his music. Um.

23:11

Rihanna is one just because I adore

23:13

her and wish I was her. UM.

23:17

And then you know, I

23:19

think Shania Twain would be a huge

23:22

one. UM. She's like

23:24

I feel like, if I the

23:27

new music that I've been writing, I feel like it's very

23:30

nineties country Shanai a reminiscent.

23:32

So I don't know. That's that's

23:34

definitely a big dream.

23:49

You mentioned Rihanna. I have to say your version of Love

23:51

on the Brain so good, so

23:54

good. I feel like it's like a totally

23:56

underappreciated song of hers too. I love

23:59

that song. I couldn't agree more. I think it's one

24:01

of her very best. It's just so good.

24:03

I love that whole album. Yeah, Anti,

24:05

Yeah, Oh my god's good covered like Tame and

24:07

Paul and stuff. That's the best. I love that album.

24:09

I I think I speak

24:12

for the whole world when I'm when I say

24:14

that we want more Rihanna music. Yes, Yeah,

24:20

I mean, I you're I

24:22

mean that the songs that you used to cover, they're just so

24:24

interesting because there they are so very I mean,

24:26

you've got John Mary had Arianna Grande,

24:29

TLC, the Chain Smokers. I mean, how do you have

24:31

any ones on the hori Ezes and that you're just you know, in

24:34

the pipeline that really want to cover. I

24:36

want to do some more. Casey Musgraves, she's

24:40

you know, that's another person I'd love to collaborate

24:42

with along with Oh. I can't believe I didn't

24:44

mention Chris Stapleton because I've covered

24:46

so many of Yeah, but

24:50

yeah, I I think, um,

24:54

yeah, I need to get back in my cover game. I

24:56

was. I was doing so many

24:58

so like a while ago, and now I've just been so focused

25:01

on the original music. But it is so

25:03

fun to do those covers and to just

25:05

make them your own. I've been I've

25:07

been trying to learn on guitar. It's it's pretty

25:09

hard to play

25:11

for me, which I'm not a great shop

25:14

player, but I can get by.

25:16

Um, but James Taylor, Um,

25:18

you've got a friend. Yeah,

25:23

his stuff is hard because it like sounds

25:26

simple, but like when you try

25:28

to do it, it makes no sense. Yeah, and

25:30

it's all like weird tuning. Yeah, I mean

25:32

I I can. I can play the very uh

25:36

dumbed down simplified version,

25:38

but I'm trying to like, actually, sure

25:40

it's amazing. It's I promise

25:43

it's not. But yeah,

25:45

but yeah, that one soon to come. So yeah, keep an eye out

25:48

for you. Got a friend azing.

25:52

Um, I have a really weird question.

25:54

You're gonna hang up on me for this question? I

25:56

have read. I saw an interview recently where

25:59

you said that you were a cessed with ghost

26:01

stories and having seances. I

26:04

got to hear about this. I need my My

26:06

step mom is a raicky master and

26:09

and does drum

26:11

journeys and things of that nature. So I got

26:14

to hear some sance stories. I am so into

26:16

this. God, I mean, I will not hang

26:18

up on you. You'll I'll be calling you in the middle

26:20

of the night. No,

26:23

I this is my when my when I said I was a

26:25

storyteller, these are the types of stories that I

26:27

love to tell because I well,

26:31

I don't know. I might get in trouble

26:33

for this, but I I swear and I've

26:35

always known, at least believed

26:37

that I have a sixth sense because I've had

26:39

just so many weird things happened

26:42

to me, um, like

26:44

ever since I was little, and I've just like been

26:47

oddly obsessed with ghosts

26:51

and scary I mean ghost and scary movies. But then

26:53

I went through a phase of like every

26:56

single weekend having a seance

26:58

and like trying to do like light is a feather, stiff

27:00

as a board, like levitating

27:02

and like all that stuff and like just

27:05

weird. My point where my parents

27:07

were like maybe

27:09

concerned, but

27:13

no, like I've just had

27:15

I feel like there's there's just been

27:18

plenty of instances where I can walk into a

27:20

room and be like this place is haunted, and I'm

27:22

just I mean, I'm not going to tell the story now because

27:24

I feel like it's maybe not the time, but offline,

27:27

sorry, I'll tell you a

27:29

really weird story that happened to

27:31

me um in my grandma's

27:34

house when I was growing up. Okay,

27:36

well we'll say that we'll revisit.

27:40

But to bring it to bring it back to

27:42

to the music, is there

27:44

a I guess you kind of touched

27:46

on this earlier talking about Prince's view

27:48

of music, but do you is

27:51

there a superstitious element to your writing

27:53

do you is there, Like it's got

27:55

to be this time of day, it's going to be in this room,

27:57

it's gonna be this instrument. I gotta have a cup of tea.

27:59

You know what, whatever it is, there's superstitions

28:01

for you. Like when it comes to um

28:05

for sure. I mean I wouldn't

28:07

say as much as UM

28:10

when I were so like I have weird things

28:13

with time, like

28:15

like I mean, I think a lot of people

28:17

are like do the eleven eleven thing. But then

28:19

I started doing this weird thing with eleven twelve

28:22

where I felt like, like when I used to record

28:24

my covers, this is so bizarre, but

28:26

it's a good question. Um,

28:28

Like when I used to when I know I'm

28:30

saying, when I used to record covers,

28:34

I would like be obsessive

28:37

because I'm a perfectionist, and I would just obsessively

28:39

like do them over and over and over until

28:42

like they were clearly getting worse because

28:44

like my voice was getting more tired. But

28:46

then like if for some reason

28:49

the song would end, like

28:51

if the cover would last like to one

28:53

minute in eleven minutes or like to twenty

28:55

two or three thirty three, and it was like all lined

28:58

up, I just have a weird thing with like angel numbers,

29:00

So I'd be like, I would be like, oh, that's

29:02

the one because it's

29:05

the timing was three thirty three, so that has to

29:07

be it. And I feel like that's a sign from like the

29:09

universe telling me that that's that's the cover

29:11

I'm supposed to choose. It's so weird.

29:14

But yeah, so like I have weird things with time,

29:17

and like my song, my most recent single,

29:20

more Me Is is

29:22

two is two minutes and twenty two

29:24

seconds long, and so I was like obsessed

29:26

with that, and so I'm convinced that for whatever

29:29

reason, like that's the song because it's two

29:31

and it's We're in two and so

29:33

you know, so all these things. Yeah,

29:35

and and two two two is like an angel number.

29:38

So yeah, I'm just have a weird things numbers.

29:41

Are you a rabbit rabbit person or rabbit rabbit

29:43

rabbit depending on your school per sex? And

29:46

also that I won't if I if

29:48

I talk before is that

29:50

that's that's what it is. Yeah, you

29:52

can't. That's the first words out of your mouth to the point

29:54

where I will. I would like stay up until

29:57

midnight if I knew it was coming, so that I would

29:59

make sure to say it so that it was good luck for the rest of the

30:01

month. Well, I guess my, my my last

30:03

questions was such a joy talking. I want to take up too much

30:05

more your time. But I might might have mentioned

30:07

this earlier. I am somebody who I love

30:10

music with all my heart, and I have never

30:12

in my life been able to actually write a song.

30:14

I can play a number of different instruments, it just

30:16

isn't It's just something I've never

30:18

been able to tap into it myself. And I was just wondering.

30:21

I'm sure there's a lot of people out there

30:23

that I feel that same way, and also

30:25

probably think, you know what, I'm never gonna I'm

30:27

never gonna make a living out of it. So why should I bother?

30:29

Why should I try to write a song and kind

30:32

of talk themselves out of it? Which I think is very

30:34

sad. I always wanted to ask you for somebody

30:36

like me who's having a hard time at

30:38

age thirty four getting

30:40

started writing, Um,

30:42

what would you say? How would you you help people

30:45

like me sort of break on through and and express

30:48

themselves musically? Well, I I

30:50

bought a really good book called I

30:52

think it's called The Art of the art

30:54

of music or the art of writing. I forget what it is,

30:56

but it's like a beginner songwriting book. And I

30:58

know there's a bunch of them now out um,

31:01

but there there are a bunch of like and I'm

31:03

sure you can even just google it, but there

31:05

are like good ways that you

31:07

can basically just like start

31:10

like as a beginners if you if you don't know where

31:13

to begin or how to like figure out a concept

31:15

or what you can do. There's a lot of there's

31:17

a lot of great tools online

31:19

or in bookstores wherever, um

31:22

that will help you sort of like step

31:24

by step go through the formula

31:27

I guess of starting to write a song. And

31:29

I think I find those to be very helpful. I mean I've used

31:31

them a lot, I think even if I'm even

31:33

if I'm stuck, because you know, I get writer's

31:35

blocked all the time. And that's why I said, like I had

31:37

to stop writing for a minute. Oh all, I mean,

31:39

yeah, it doesn't. That's why I was saying,

31:41

like, when the creative moments happen, that's

31:44

when I'm like, oh, I gotta do it, because

31:47

especially in country where it's so concept

31:49

driven and there's all these like

31:52

twists, especially like at the end of the choruses,

31:54

there's like these brilliant twists,

31:57

and so then I get very obsessed with finding

31:59

those, Oh, let me find this play

32:01

on words like, for instance, Casey Musgraves

32:03

space cowboy. You can have your space

32:06

cowboy, you know, like genius things like

32:08

that that I get so mad that I didn't

32:10

write that song. But you know, I

32:12

get obsessed with that, and then I can't even

32:16

write and I write anything because I'm like obsessed

32:18

with the concept of it. Um So

32:22

I think, like, you know, I take a lot of notes

32:24

in my phone, so I feel like anytime

32:26

you feel like, oh, maybe that could be like

32:28

a cool title, you know, like my

32:30

friend Adam and I all the time

32:32

will be in conversation and he'll he'll

32:34

say something and then we're both like, is that a song?

32:37

Is that a song? And so we just have like this this

32:39

list. We have now an

32:41

absurd list of just like

32:43

I think it's like I don't even know how long,

32:46

but of just potential concepts or titles

32:48

or whatever. And and then when we

32:50

actually do end up sitting down and writing, we'll go through

32:52

it and be like, Okay, what one would make the most

32:55

sense and how could we make this like

32:57

what would the story be here? Basically? So

32:59

like Sweetheart, for example, that

33:02

came from I Still see the sweet in your

33:04

Sweetheart, and we

33:07

he and I wrote that together. And I think

33:11

just sitting down and talking to so I would encourage

33:13

you to also maybe find someone else to write

33:15

with. It's really helpful to co write. Um.

33:17

I always think two heads are better than one. And

33:20

UM, so yeah, if you have, you know,

33:22

somewhere to start, I think that's going through those tools

33:24

and like it'll help you be like here's an idea,

33:27

let's now web it into what this could be

33:29

and how we could bring a story out of this, and now

33:31

write down three you know, senses

33:34

that come from this word, and then you know

33:36

you can kind of like directed into

33:38

that and then I don't do play an instrument for

33:43

me badly, Yeah, but

33:45

but that's

33:47

that's the start. And I mean you don't even

33:49

need I mean I started out without

33:51

any you know, I don't think you need accompaniment.

33:54

You can just you know, make up melodies and I always voice

33:56

note things into my phone, just little melodies, and then you can

33:58

kind of like you know, a lot of times

34:01

the creative process is always

34:04

different. But you know, a lot of times you'll just start with

34:06

like a melody like lotty dotty

34:08

dotty dotty do, and then you try to

34:10

fit words into what could work for that melody.

34:13

And there's so many different ways you can go, and

34:15

so many people have different methods

34:18

of how they start or start a song or

34:20

whatever. But I think there's, yeah, there's plenty

34:22

of If you google, like how to write a song, I

34:25

bet you could find a million a

34:27

million different ways and different tools

34:29

and like what works for various people that

34:31

could be helpful. I

34:34

love the conversational element you

34:36

mentioned because one of my one of my all time

34:38

favorite records is pet Sounds by the

34:40

Beach Boys, and so many of those songs

34:42

were written just based on Brian Wilson

34:45

and his lyricists would sit down and have these

34:47

six hour conversations about life

34:49

and love and everything, and that was where

34:52

God only knows, or Caroline know, or wouldn't

34:54

it be nice? Would all come from oh completely?

34:56

I mean, that's that is what I always

34:58

say, is where so I have this song which

35:01

is coming, I can mention it because it's going to be

35:03

out this summer. It's called if I hadn't been drunk.

35:06

And basically I was

35:08

on a songwriting trip this

35:10

this past winter with

35:13

like five friends and we were up in Colorado

35:15

and we had

35:18

finished writing for the day and started

35:20

drinking and eating. We were making dinner

35:23

and we were all having wine and I think

35:25

I can't remember who it was that said it, but I

35:27

think maybe my friends Cecy and

35:29

we were like someone said like, well, if I hadn't

35:31

been drunk, I wouldn't have done this, and

35:33

I was like, well, if I hadn't been drunk, I probably

35:35

wouldn't have even like ended up hooking

35:38

up with Barren, who's now my

35:40

fiancee, and um,

35:42

and then we were like, wait, is that a song?

35:45

And we were all like, if I hadn't been drunk,

35:47

I hadn't I wouldn't have done this, and I would have done this,

35:49

And my friend Adam was like, oh my god and runs

35:52

over and grabs the guitar and we're all like sitting

35:54

at the dinner table and we were just like, Okay, what would

35:56

the song be? And then like we all started writing it and it was

35:58

That's the beauty to me of those writing trips

36:01

too, is because that's that's how like,

36:04

that's how the oldies people used to do it.

36:06

You know, they would go to cabins. That's

36:08

like you look at Queen, they go and

36:10

you know all it all comes out of those real

36:13

conversations. And that's

36:15

what makes those songs so great because they're so relatable

36:17

because they actually came out of thin air

36:20

and they weren't people sitting around trying to figure

36:22

out what the best thing was. You know, a

36:25

lot of life in those songs. You're right, Yeah, led

36:27

Zeppelin, Queen the Band, and Dylan

36:29

moving up state to Woodstock and yeah, it's

36:32

a totally Oh well,

36:34

I'm going to take all of this advice

36:36

to heart. Sofia, thank you so

36:39

much for for your time today, and most importantly,

36:41

thank you for your music. It's such a joy talking. Oh

36:43

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36:46

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