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over deportations that just wrapped up. Ryan

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Riley was in the courtroom. He's hustling

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the judge had to say. But I wanted

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to start tonight with what I

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kind of think is one of

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the unifying principles of this administration.

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And that is basically their myopic view on

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owning the lips, as they call it. They

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love to own the lips. To the extent that

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they have one goal, owning the lips

2:17

seems to be that goal. And by

2:19

that, they mean doing anything they can

2:22

to offend, humiliate, or destroy things that

2:24

anyone left of Sean Hannity may possibly

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care about. I mean Donald Trump visited

2:28

the Kennedy Center for a board meeting

2:31

today after seizing control of it and

2:33

making himself the new chair. What a good use

2:35

of time for a president. The Kennedy Center

2:37

now, I think all of you probably know

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what it is, but it's been an arts

2:41

institution here in Washington DC for over 50

2:43

years. Lots of people perform there. All sorts.

2:46

They're not political. But to Trump

2:48

it was too woke and needed to be straightened

2:50

out. So yes to own the lips, Trump

2:52

is basically destroying the Kennedy Center. People

2:54

are refusing to perform there anymore. And

2:57

he basically said so himself

2:59

today. We'll make it great again, but

3:01

it is so much like what I'm

3:03

witnessing in other places. We have open

3:06

borders. We have men playing in women's

3:08

sports. It's all the same thing. It's

3:10

all the same mentality in thinking. I

3:13

mean, it's all the same mentality

3:15

in thinking. Kennedy Center, the culture

3:17

wars, actual policy of any sort.

3:19

It's all the same thinking to

3:22

Trump. And it's exactly the same thinking

3:24

when it comes to the way he

3:26

and Elon Musk are gutting the federal

3:28

government. I mean, take NOAA, which is the

3:30

agency responsible for things like forecasting our

3:33

weather and tracking climate trends and responding

3:35

to extreme weather events. Most people accurately

3:37

see it as an apolitical tool for

3:39

knowing what the weather is going to

3:42

be outside, which, hey, we all real

3:44

land. Place for a bunch of science nerds

3:46

prepare for natural disasters. That's what

3:48

happens in that building. But

3:51

Project 2025 labeled it as, quote,

3:53

one of the main drivers of

3:55

the climate change alarm industry. Think

3:57

about how absurd that statement. is.

4:00

This is an agency made up of scientists,

4:02

scientists, who are literally measuring and predicting

4:04

weather patterns, some of which are caused

4:06

by yes, the climate crisis, and they're

4:09

destroying that agency. That's the goal. That's

4:11

front and center for the Trump team.

4:13

That's what they're trying to do. Now

4:15

for the past few weeks, the Trump administration

4:18

has slashed hundreds of NOAA

4:20

staff, including people responsible for

4:22

producing critical weather forecasts and

4:25

maintaining radar systems, and they're

4:27

not done. The agency is tasked

4:29

with cutting an additional 1,000 jobs, which

4:31

means 10% of its workforce. See, to

4:33

Donald Trump and his buddy Elon

4:35

Musk, Noah is just another woke agency

4:38

that stirs up climate hysteria. And so

4:40

it's one of the agencies that

4:42

has found itself in their crosshairs.

4:44

But here's the thing. When devastating

4:47

tornadoes swept across the country

4:49

this week, it actually wasn't coastal

4:51

Democrats in their path at all.

4:53

It was states like Mississippi and

4:56

Arkansas and Alabama and Missouri. States

4:58

that would definitely not self-identify as

5:00

woke in any way. And states

5:02

that would definitely benefit from

5:05

a fully operational and fully

5:07

staffed and fully funded NOAA.

5:09

What about FEMA, which provides essential

5:11

tools for cleaning up and rebuilding

5:14

after devastating storms, like the ones

5:16

we also saw last week, and

5:18

this week. Trump and Elon must

5:21

claim the agency is a

5:23

political tool wielded by Democrats

5:25

during disasters. I don't even know what

5:27

they mean by that exactly. So guess what

5:29

they've done? They've cut jobs there

5:31

too. And Trump is even mused

5:33

about shutting it down altogether. That's

5:36

how they're owning the libs, I guess,

5:38

right? I mean, that's their approach. But guess

5:40

which states get the most recovery

5:42

funding from FEMA and the Department

5:45

of Housing and urban development?

5:47

Well, states like Louisiana and

5:49

Florida and Texas, not exactly

5:52

target democratic states, those ones,

5:54

typically. Notice the theme here? See the things

5:56

they've already done and things they're planning

5:59

to do actually for red states, more

6:01

than blue states. They're trying to own

6:03

the lips, but they're actually hurting Trump

6:05

voters. The people they are hurting the most

6:07

are in the very states that voted to put

6:09

Trump in the White House. And we're seeing this

6:12

everywhere, all the time. It's happening every

6:14

day. They're hurting red states by

6:16

working to repeal the Inflation Reduction

6:18

Act, even though 80% of the

6:20

investments are in Republican districts. They'll

6:22

continue to hurt people who voted

6:24

for them if they go after Social

6:27

Security. One in five Americans across every

6:29

single state rely on, and there are

6:31

lots of proud MAGA members if they

6:33

go after Medicaid. In one Appalachian

6:35

County in Kentucky, almost 90% of

6:37

the residents in Harlan County, that's

6:39

what I'm talking about, voted for

6:42

Trump, and almost half of them,

6:44

half of them, received Medicaid. One woman

6:46

relying on a Medicaid-funded treatment

6:48

program for addiction told the

6:50

Washington Post, if it were to

6:52

go away today, I would be homeless tomorrow.

6:55

I would lose everything. all my counseling

6:57

all my treatment if Trump takes

6:59

the things that they're saying it's

7:01

going to be devastation for

7:03

eastern Kentucky for sure and you don't

7:06

have to just to take her word or

7:08

my word for that matter for it here's

7:10

Steve Bannon a lot of maggas on

7:12

Medicaid I'm telling you if you don't

7:14

think so you are dead wrong Medicaid

7:16

is gonna be a complicated one just

7:18

can't take a meatax to it although

7:21

I would love to I mean the music in

7:23

the background there is really quite something, but

7:25

the point is that guy is not exactly

7:27

known for his empathy. He's not really in

7:29

a super-empathetic guy, but he understands

7:31

the political reality of Medicaid and

7:34

other issues too. Trump is also hurting

7:36

red states with his beloved tariffs. He

7:38

loves those tariffs. According to New

7:40

York Times analysis nearly 8 million Americans

7:42

work in industries targeted by tariffs and

7:45

the majority are Trump voters. The jobs

7:47

that could be hit by retaliation are

7:49

especially concentrated in pockets of the upper

7:51

Midwest, south and southeast, including many rural

7:54

parts of the county that are responsible

7:56

for producing agricultural goods. And again,

7:58

don't take my word for it. or their word

8:00

for it. Here's Mike Pence. The truth

8:02

is, when it comes to tariffs, the

8:05

importer here in the United States pays

8:07

the tariff. The foreign country

8:09

doesn't pay the tariff. More

8:11

often than not, passes along

8:14

the increase costs on that

8:16

product to the consumer. Too

8:18

often, I hear the administration

8:20

talking about broad-based unilateral tariffs

8:23

that I think will ultimately

8:25

work against American jobs, American

8:27

families, and American business. There

8:30

you heard it from noted liberal crusader

8:32

as he's well known Mike Pence

8:34

See what's becoming increasingly

8:36

clear is that in this broad effort

8:38

to own the lips Donald Trump is

8:41

actually owning his own voters You

8:43

wonder why Republicans don't want to

8:45

hold town meetings out there? Joining me

8:47

now are two people who know a whole

8:49

lot about life in red states John Tester

8:51

is a former US Senator from Montana and

8:54

Mitch Lander is the former mayor of New

8:56

Orleans. I'm so delighted you both could make

8:58

it this evening and so excited to talk

9:00

to you. Senator, let me start with you.

9:02

I mean, you represented Montana for years. One

9:05

of the things I always admired about you

9:07

is you were so much more Montana than

9:09

you ever were Washington. You were so in

9:11

touch with your voters. But I kind of

9:13

went through there with some of the ways

9:16

that these policies are impacting people or could

9:18

impact people across the country. Let me start

9:20

by asking you, what did I miss there

9:22

in terms of how these policies could impact

9:24

people in your state? Well,

9:27

look, I think the tariffs are a

9:29

big one because we depend on export

9:31

markets to market our grains and pulse

9:33

crops for sure. I think what he

9:35

has proposed to do with the Postal

9:37

Service is an incredible nail in the

9:39

coffin for rural America. I think if

9:41

you take a look what he's done

9:43

with the VA, 10% of the people

9:45

who live in a rural state like

9:47

Montana or veterans, and you can say

9:49

you're not cutting benefits, but if you

9:51

don't have the people in the VA

9:53

to deliver those benefits, you have cut

9:55

those benefits. And then if you take a

9:57

look at what he's done to the forest service and the

9:59

park... service. You know, the recreation economy

10:02

and outdoor economy in Montana is

10:04

worth about six or seven billion

10:06

dollars a year. If that becomes

10:08

screwed up, which it appears it's

10:10

headed in that direction, it's going

10:12

to have a major impact on the economy in

10:14

the state. So I agree with you. I think

10:16

that if you take a look at what he

10:18

is doing, and he did this in the

10:20

last term, Pitton, Democrats versus

10:23

Republicans, and liberals against conservatives

10:25

against conservatives against conservatives. He's now

10:27

doing it on the world stage.

10:29

He's trying to pit America against

10:32

everybody else except for China and

10:34

Russia and North Korea and Iran.

10:36

And that's a bunch of crap.

10:39

And I can tell you that if

10:41

this continues on and Democrats don't get

10:43

a good message and don't push

10:45

back, it's going to get pretty ugly

10:48

for rural areas in this state and

10:50

this country. I want to ask you

10:52

about that. I want to just

10:54

ask Mitch Fersberg before I come

10:56

back to you on that. And

10:58

a bunch of crap, we need

11:00

t-shirts that say that. So I'll

11:02

just say that. Let me ask

11:04

you, because I just, I think

11:06

it's so important, we're really trying

11:08

on the show to help people

11:10

understand the impact of these policies.

11:12

We get so, we get so

11:14

mired in kind of government bureaucratic

11:16

speak in Washington. Let me ask you

11:18

about no one FEMA. think about that

11:20

especially given the storms we've seen over the

11:23

past few days? Well Jen thanks and Senator

11:25

Testa it's great to see you thank you

11:27

for your service to our country you you

11:29

were great. I thought the litany that you

11:32

outlined in your opening was really really good

11:34

and I agree with everything Senator Testa said

11:36

Donald Trump basically is using his power to

11:38

hurt people and to tear things down because

11:41

he wins by division. That's the common denominator

11:43

through all of this so let me focus

11:45

just on one thing Senator Testa talked about

11:47

and I agree with them but Noah for

11:50

folks that don't know who they are. They're

11:52

a bunch of really great smart people that

11:54

help people like me when we were mayor

11:56

of a golf coast town to be

11:58

able to see when hurricanes tornadoes and

12:00

floods were coming our way so that we could

12:03

get people out of the way and save people.

12:05

And when I was married, the city of New

12:07

Orleans, I worked with NOAA, if not on a

12:09

daily basis, on a weekly basis, because

12:11

when hurricane season hits, we are at

12:14

attention. I'm telling you, we're standing on

12:16

the parapet, looking out, you know, for

12:18

all the places and offices of Homeland Security

12:20

are there. So when we see a storm

12:22

out, and we've got to see it 140

12:24

at 140 hours out. in order to be

12:26

able to start moving people if it

12:28

comes to 130 and to 90 and

12:30

to 60 and to 30. Listen Katrina

12:32

for everybody that watched was

12:34

a catastrophic event. We lost 1,800 people.

12:36

Had no one not been there and

12:39

had we not moved more than we

12:41

would have, we could have lost 10,000

12:43

people. And so it is one of

12:46

the most unpolitical organizations that exist of

12:48

the just there to try to save

12:50

lives. And to cut them at a

12:52

time when it's necessary, it's going to

12:55

affect wildfires, it's going to affect tornadoes,

12:57

it's going to have an impact on

12:59

flooding, it's going to have an impact

13:02

on hurricanes. It just to me doesn't

13:04

make any sense in the world. And

13:06

all of these cuts don't seem to

13:08

have any rhyme or reason about being

13:11

Democrat, a Republican, a conservative, a liberal.

13:13

They're just really not smart. And

13:15

they're going to hurt people in a

13:17

very big way. So Senator, let me come

13:19

back to you and just pull a thread on something

13:21

you said a moment ago, which is just about Democrats

13:24

getting kind of the message in order. And Democrats are

13:26

in the minority here in the Senate and the House.

13:28

They're things you can share with us what you think

13:30

they should do legislatively. You always have perspective from being

13:32

at home sometimes. But what should the message sound like?

13:35

We talked to people in Montana all the time. You

13:37

know what people want to hear. What should it sound

13:39

like that maybe you're not hearing that maybe you're not

13:41

hearing from people in Washington from people in Washington right

13:43

now? So I get emails every

13:46

day, still get emails every day

13:48

from people who have been impacted

13:50

by what's going on in these

13:52

different agencies. Bring those working families

13:54

to the table and make sure

13:57

we Democrats are talking to them

13:59

and talk. about their stories. I think

14:01

it's really really important. You take a situation

14:03

where a veteran can't get their health care

14:05

and you say, well, you know, I heard

14:07

Secretary of College the other day, so would

14:10

you put them in a private sector? That

14:12

doesn't work in places if you

14:14

don't have a lot of hospitals

14:16

and access to those hospitals in

14:18

the private sector. So I mean,

14:20

there's a lot of things that

14:22

Democrats can start doing moving forward,

14:24

but all needs to be based

14:26

around working families, middle America, so

14:28

to speak, and, you know, talk

14:30

about the issues that people are

14:32

talking about on the ground. That's

14:34

why, by the way, those town

14:36

halls are so really, really important,

14:39

whether you're a Republican or a

14:41

Democrat, you ought to be doing

14:43

them, because you get good information if you

14:45

listen to your constituents. Really inspiring. I think

14:47

it feels like a good thing happening out

14:49

there. Democrats showing up in red districts or

14:51

their own districts. A lot of Republicans are

14:53

not doing these town halls. Mitch, you know

14:55

a lot about a lot of things, but

14:58

you have a very good feel for politics

15:00

and when things are sticking or not sticking.

15:02

We're seeing some outrage at town halls. When

15:04

do you think all of the things we've

15:06

been talking about are going to catch up

15:08

with them? Well Tesla can tell you this this

15:10

is organic look I was a legislator for 16

15:12

years I had to have town hall meetings all

15:15

the time when I was mayor I had town

15:17

hall meetings with sometimes between 500 and a thousand

15:19

people there I was the first one there I

15:21

was the last one to leave I got my

15:23

behind-handed to me a lot of times you got

15:25

to stand there and take it from your constituents

15:27

and by the way I'm happy to go to

15:29

town hall that the Republican too scared to show

15:31

up to talk to that constituents every Democrat in

15:34

the country ought to be going to do it

15:36

because John is right. The idea is to talk

15:38

to middle America to working class people and to

15:40

meet them where they live. What do they

15:42

care about? They care about a roof over

15:44

they head. They care about putting food on

15:47

the table for their kids. They care about

15:49

paying tuition, buying a piece of equipment to

15:51

do whatever they have to do on the

15:53

piece of property that they're on to have

15:55

a little extra room so that they can

15:57

have some sense of joy in their life.

16:00

just turns to dirt and he's going

16:02

to decimate that institution. But he spent

16:04

more time talking about the Kennedy Center

16:06

and plastic straws than he has about

16:08

lowering class to everyday Americans. And people

16:11

are feeling that. They're dealing with it.

16:13

I want to encourage all of the elected

16:15

officials, Republicans and Democrats, go talk to your

16:17

folks. They will tell you what it is

16:19

that they need and what they want and

16:21

you have to respond to them. I love

16:24

that. First of all, I would go to

16:26

a Senator Tester, Mitch Landrieu Town Hall, if

16:28

you're going. I'd like to join you. Thank

16:30

you both so much. I really appreciate it.

16:32

I love talking to you both. See ya.

16:34

Thanks, John. Coming up, the Trump

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administration blatantly defies a court

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earlier tonight, a judge had some very

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18:44

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House then defied that order and

19:28

deported hundreds. More people suspected of

19:30

being gang members. No hearing, no

19:32

due process, just the Trump administration's

19:34

gut, it seems. And today,

19:37

some administration officials made clear that

19:39

what they thought of the judge who tried

19:41

to stop them from doing this. And we're

19:43

going to make this country safe again.

19:46

I'm proud to be a part of

19:48

this administration. We're not stopping. I don't

19:50

care what the judges think. I don't

19:52

care what the judges think. I don't

19:54

care what the left things. We're coming. I

19:56

don't care what the judges think. Well,

19:58

and hearing this evening that The judge

20:00

presiding over this case made clear he could see

20:02

what was happening as well. The judge summarized the

20:04

administration's position on his court order as, quote,

20:06

we don't care, we'll do what we want.

20:09

Join me now as NBC News Justice reporter

20:11

Ryan Riley, who is in the courtroom for

20:13

that hearing tonight. Thank you so much for

20:15

coming over from the courthouse. Let me just

20:17

start. I know a lot of people watching

20:20

were paying attention to this, but for people...

20:22

who weren't, who were watching, how did we

20:24

get to the point where there needed

20:26

to be a hearing tonight? Yeah,

20:29

I mean, so first of all

20:31

are the unusual Saturday hearing, you

20:33

know, over the phone sort of

20:36

thing, and because of that order

20:38

where he would, you know, be

20:40

told to bring these planes back

20:43

and then the defiance of that,

20:45

you know, the defiance back and

20:47

then the defiance of that, you

20:49

know, this information that this and

20:52

has national security implications and you

20:54

know judge Bozburg is someone who's

20:56

been around for a while and has a

20:58

high-level security clearance indeed he does as he

21:00

pointed out to the the Justice Department lawyer

21:03

there and so that you could sort of

21:05

see the frustration I think mounting

21:07

with them there are definitely a few like

21:09

you know side-eyes I think a few looks

21:11

from the judge here about what kind of

21:13

you really are trying to argue here because

21:15

you know this is a person who has

21:18

been in the loop in some of the

21:20

biggest national security cases of our of our

21:22

time right like this is not somebody off

21:24

the street this is a sitting federal judge

21:26

who is deciding who can you know take

21:29

in this information and make these types of

21:31

decisions and he was confused as to why

21:33

you know, apparently there's just this defiance of

21:35

coming from the Justice Department at this moment.

21:38

I mean, clearly there's defined. It seemed

21:40

like they also, but you were there,

21:42

so tell me, it seemed like they

21:44

also made this argument that they actually

21:46

did comply with the order, which seems,

21:48

if you're listening to all these details,

21:50

you're thinking how is that even possible

21:52

that they made that argument? I mean,

21:54

they didn't return the planes. They detained

21:57

more people after that. How did they make

21:59

the argument? And also the one of the

22:01

really things I think the judge was upset by

22:03

is this idea that they were arguing that just

22:05

an oral order and in written order are two

22:08

separate things that an oral order doesn't have as

22:10

much you know sort of merit as the written

22:12

order right and that's one of the things that

22:14

they're arguing there that he was just like very

22:17

confused you know confused by so he demanded by

22:19

tomorrow that they're going to have to answer these

22:21

very specific question about you know when those planes

22:23

landed, how many people were on them, just some

22:25

basic questions to sort of get the facts here.

22:28

This was supposed to be sort of a fact-finding

22:30

hearing today. What he wanted to

22:32

go in there is go in,

22:34

ask these questions, establish these facts,

22:36

and then determine whether or not

22:38

there had not been compliance with

22:40

the court order. And because the

22:42

administration really refused to answer these

22:44

basic questions and lay out what

22:46

the facts were, and we couldn't,

22:48

you know, that's sort of what

22:50

judges do, is look at the

22:52

information in this case. of his

22:58

earlier

23:02

order

23:06

on

23:14

Do they have in their toolbox

23:16

of things to compel them to

23:18

follow the law? I mean theoretically holds so

23:20

he can hold someone in contempt, right?

23:22

I mean there's going to be several

23:25

layers of this now because they don't

23:27

want Judge Bozburg on this case anymore.

23:29

Right, they're trying to get him kicked

23:31

off. They're trying to get him kicked

23:34

off. They're trying to get him kicked

23:36

off, right? So that's going up to

23:38

the appeals court and ultimately this probably

23:40

goes to the Supreme Court and ultimately

23:43

this probably goes to the Supreme Court.

23:45

This probably goes to the appeals. And

23:47

getting those planes in the air was

23:49

one of those actions that allowed them to

23:51

get this real jumpstart before any of this

23:53

really took place. So I think that that's

23:56

what they really kind of had in mind

23:58

is basically upending this entire legal battle. from

24:00

the get-go and just sort of

24:02

getting a jump before the judicial

24:04

branch had a moment to catch up.

24:06

Ryan Riley, I know you have a

24:08

very busy beat right now covering all

24:10

of this. Thank you so much for

24:12

taking the time. I hope you'll come

24:14

back and kind of give us updates

24:16

on this as we learn more. I

24:18

really appreciate it. And coming up, Republicans

24:20

stuck town halls, I was just talking

24:22

with this earlier in the show, and

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one of the clearest ways is their

26:07

attitude toward the people they represent.

26:10

The headlines from local papers in

26:12

Republican districts show their members ducking

26:14

town halls left and right, and

26:17

last night, Congresswoman Virginia Fox of

26:19

North Carolina gave us a sense

26:21

about how she feels about them and the

26:23

voters who show up. I don't do town

26:25

halls because I think it's just a... opportunity

26:28

for people to yell at their member of

26:30

Congress. Well Congresswoman let me

26:32

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26:34

The policies and the people you support

26:36

may actually be the reason they are

26:38

yelling. Maybe you can control that. You

26:40

can control what you do, what your

26:42

constituents think about what you do. But

26:44

Democrats seem to get why. And they're

26:46

actually trying to listen to voters, even

26:49

in Republican districts. Congress and Mark Pocan

26:51

of Wisconsin and Rokan of California are

26:53

hosting town halls in or close to

26:55

the nearby districts with Republican members. The

26:57

Florida Democratic Party has begun hosting their

26:59

own town halls and districts held by

27:01

Republicans. Minnesota Governor Tim Wals was in Iowa

27:04

and Nebraska over the weekend where he spoke

27:06

to big crowds. And Senator Bernie Sanders has

27:08

been hosting holding events around the country. After

27:10

a swing through the upper Midwest earlier

27:13

this month, Bernie will head to Nevada,

27:15

Arizona, and Colorado this week, and this

27:17

time he's going to have some company.

27:19

Congressman Alexandria Ocazio Cortez will be joining

27:21

him on the road. So yeah, increasingly,

27:24

Democrats seem more than happy to fill

27:26

this void Republicans are leaving pretty wide

27:28

open out there. Just today, Arizona's Democratic

27:30

senators Mark Kelly and Reuben Diego

27:32

were meeting voters at a town

27:34

hall in Phoenix, where they tore

27:36

into Donald Trump and Elon Musk

27:38

for cuts to Medicaid and other

27:40

health services for vulnerable Americans. All this

27:42

stuff you're here in every single day

27:45

is so they can give a big

27:47

giant tax cut to people who don't

27:49

need a tax cut. We could raise the

27:51

taxes of billionaires, and they will still be

27:53

billionaires. And that's what we should

27:55

be doing. We shouldn't be gutting these

27:58

services. We can't take care the people

28:00

that make this country work every day

28:02

and we certainly don't have to gut

28:04

them to feed these billionaires again. It

28:06

is not an either or. And joining

28:08

me now is Democratic Senator

28:11

Ruben Geigo of Arizona. It's great to

28:13

see you. Thank you so much for

28:15

joining me after the town hall today.

28:17

So you had that tunnel meeting. We

28:19

showed a little bit of it early. Great

28:21

to have you. We showed just a little

28:23

bit of your town hall. How did it

28:25

go today? How many people were there? What

28:27

did they want to talk about? Well,

28:31

I think it's somewhere between 150 people

28:33

showed up. It was people that

28:35

were providers in the Medicaid kind

28:37

of health care community, but some

28:39

people that are very, very scared

28:42

of being cut off. We heard

28:44

from one family who, you know,

28:46

adopted a child from foster care, someone that

28:48

they had been caring for for a couple

28:50

years. And when they adopted this child, they

28:53

knew that this child had certain, you know,

28:55

disabilities and certain ailments that were going to

28:57

cost some money. But there was an implicit

28:59

understanding that they were going to have some

29:02

help from Medicaid. And unfortunately that family is

29:04

not worried that they're going to end up

29:06

having to pay out of pocket because out

29:08

of nowhere you have these cuts coming. Because

29:11

out of nowhere you have these cuts coming.

29:13

We heard from seniors that are worried about

29:15

what this means potentially for Medicare. We

29:17

saw people from disability community being very

29:20

afraid that they're going to not get

29:22

the best standard of care. And they

29:24

may not actually have a fulfilling life.

29:27

that have different types of ailments, disabilities

29:29

that are receiving Medicaid, that are afraid

29:31

that they're going to get cut, and

29:34

on and on. This in general was

29:36

a really good conversation with people that

29:38

are not hearing from their members of

29:40

Congress. So we were in a Republican

29:43

area and they had not heard one

29:45

way or the other anything, so we

29:47

decided to fill that void. You

29:49

were making your first run for office

29:52

in Arizona. During the Tea Party wave

29:54

of 2010, you were in Congress during

29:56

the backlash after Trump's first election went.

29:59

You've been through. You've been through a

30:01

lot, I think it's safe to say. How

30:03

does kind of, you've seen it all. I

30:05

mean, you won, there were Trump, Gago voters,

30:07

you're seeing it all. How does the energy

30:10

you're seeing out there at town halls in

30:12

recent weeks compare for you? I mean, both

30:14

in Arizona and what you're seeing kind of

30:16

around the country. Well,

30:19

this is from my experience closer to

30:21

what I saw actually around the Tea

30:24

Party time a lot of people that

30:26

are, you know, mad and they're mad

30:28

I think because some of them are

30:30

Trump supporters and they expect the Trump

30:33

to go do certain things in the

30:35

White House and the Republicans, but not

30:37

to go against that. And there's just

30:40

a lot of Medicaid, you know, recipients

30:43

out there that are Republican. There

30:45

are trust supporters. I'll just give

30:47

you a couple. Quick facts that

30:49

people may not know. 15% of

30:51

Maricopa County is on Medicaid. 30%

30:54

of rural Arizona is

30:56

on Medicaid. If we shut down Medicaid

30:58

or we diminished Medicaid, you're going to

31:00

see a lot of rural hospitals in

31:02

Arizona. Absolutely. closed down the emergency room

31:05

and people are going to have to

31:07

get helicopter to, you know, one of

31:09

the three big cities in Arizona, in

31:12

order for them to get basic emergency

31:14

care. This is the seriousness of the

31:16

situation in addition to just a bunch

31:19

of bunch of medical doctors, facilities, offices,

31:21

therapists, all these types of people that

31:23

are going to be you know, going

31:26

under and leaving places like rural Arizona,

31:28

like Yuma Arizona, like, you know, Sacketone

31:30

and other parts and moving closer where

31:33

there is more customers. And that's why

31:35

it's going to be hard when Medicaid

31:37

shuts on a rural Arizona. I was

31:40

Senator former Senator Hester I was talking with

31:42

earlier on the show and he made a

31:44

similar point which I don't think people understand

31:46

about the impacts on rural community unless you're

31:48

living in a rural community of course about

31:50

the impacts of kind of the shutting down

31:52

of offices or the cutting of aid and

31:54

assistance and personnel because it means it's harder

31:56

for people to reach and get access to

31:58

it. So that's a really interesting. point and

32:00

those statistics are pretty startling. Let me ask

32:02

you about something here in Washington. I have

32:04

my own thoughts about this. I'm going to

32:06

talk about coming up, but you joined most

32:08

Senate Democrats in breaking with leader Chuck Schumer

32:10

on the vote to allow Trump's budget to

32:12

advance to an easy approval. I mean, you

32:14

were a hard no. I think it's safe

32:16

to say on that. What do you think looking

32:19

back on that episode? What does it tell

32:21

you about the strategy of democratic leadership right

32:23

now and what concerns do you have about

32:25

it? Well, I think

32:28

my concern and what I'm going to do

32:30

going into the future is I'm going to

32:32

make sure that I'm very loud with my

32:34

position early on. And the most disturbing thing

32:37

to me is that this wasn't your normal

32:39

business as usual budget. We didn't just continue

32:41

last year's budget. This stuff actually was harmful

32:43

to my... voters to my residence in Arizona

32:45

and if you want my vote, you don't

32:48

get to screw over Arizona. It's just that's

32:50

just the way it is. What does that

32:52

look like in Arizona? They're going to shut

32:54

down a water treatment plant in Yuma, Arizona.

32:57

They're going to cut wildland firefighters and

32:59

services and support. We're about to hit

33:01

the hardest wildfire season. Homeless services, we're

33:03

about to get cut. We have a

33:05

growing homeless population here. This. budget

33:07

was not something that I could vote

33:10

for against the people of Arizona. So

33:12

next time this goes around, we're going

33:14

to have to talk. Guess what? I'm

33:16

not also going to support further cuts

33:19

for homeless veterans. There's 800 million

33:21

beginnings. That's just the first

33:23

level of cuts for our

33:25

veteran services. And so next,

33:27

go around in six months.

33:29

I hope and I'm certainly

33:31

going to push my leadership

33:33

for them to understand that

33:35

when we talk and we

33:37

talk about keeping the government

33:39

open, we're doing it so

33:41

people are held harmless. So

33:43

veterans aren't going without, you

33:45

know, less services. So some

33:47

of these other really important

33:50

services that are being cut to

33:52

save money for taxpayers for the

33:54

rich is not at the back

33:56

of workers here in Arizona. I

33:58

mean, you just lived it. Do

34:00

you remain confident in

34:02

Senator Schumer remaining the

34:04

Democratic leader in the Senate?

34:07

Look, I think the most important

34:09

thing we need to do is

34:11

stay united, fight to Medicaid cuts, fight

34:13

further cuts, make sure that we are

34:16

focused as a caucus in making sure

34:18

that we know exactly who we are

34:20

fighting for. I think there was a

34:22

mistake that was done. I think there

34:24

was a bad decision done by... leader

34:26

Schumer, I think, and I've asked for

34:28

us to actually go have a look

34:31

back and actually understand how this happened,

34:33

why this happened, and want to make

34:35

sure it doesn't happen again. But right

34:37

now, the focus should be on fighting

34:39

the Republicans, making sure that we save

34:41

Medicaid, we save these important services. I forgot

34:43

to tell you, one of the biggest populations,

34:45

even though it wasn't on a topic there,

34:48

We're veterans at our event. Veterans that were

34:50

just worried about all the VA cuts. As

34:52

a matter of fact, tomorrow I'm going to

34:54

go down to an area that's considered very

34:56

Republican and have a veterans town hall with

34:58

veterans that are worried about all these services

35:00

that are cut. That is what we should

35:02

be focused on right now. Senator Ruben Gagel.

35:04

Thank you so much for joining me. I appreciate

35:06

it. Coming up as I mentioned, I have a

35:09

few thoughts of my own about Senator Chuck Schumer

35:11

and Democratic leadership in Washington. I'm not going to

35:13

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36:48

on a what may not

36:50

sound like a very pressing

36:53

issue, research into honey bees.

36:56

No one quite knows why so many

36:58

bee colonies are dying off. Scientists

37:00

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37:02

research, according to New York Senator

37:04

Chuck Schumer, may be jeopardized by

37:07

a cut-in funding for scientific data

37:09

that the US Department of Agriculture

37:11

collects on bee colonies. It could

37:13

be that the pesticide industry of

37:15

the company that makes these pesticides

37:17

has gotten to the US Department

37:20

of Agriculture. We don't know which

37:22

of them it is. We do

37:24

know one thing. We need this

37:26

money restored. I love the Save the B

37:28

t-shirt, I would like one of those. But

37:30

here's my point. It may seem like a

37:33

little thing, the B issue, but as a

37:35

senator for the past quarter century,

37:37

Schumer's been all about effectively

37:40

magnifying the little things. Holding

37:42

press conferences to stop

37:44

robocalls to seniors or to deregulate

37:47

canned wine. There was also the

37:49

time he warned of the dangers of

37:51

tasty looking tied to turken pods. A

37:53

full six years, by the way, before

37:56

teens launched a viral challenge to eat

37:58

the tasty little tidepods. My point

38:00

is that Schumer was an absolute master

38:02

at drawing attention to issues big and

38:04

small. All the time. He was known

38:07

as the man who invented the

38:09

Sunday presser showing how to dominate

38:11

the Monday headlines. The joke in

38:13

Washington was the most dangerous place

38:15

here was between him and a

38:17

camera. He always knew how to get

38:19

things done in Washington too. I mean

38:21

in 26 years as a senator, including

38:23

nine years as the Democratic leader, he

38:26

helped pass and protect Obama care as

38:28

well as background checks on gun sales.

38:30

He shepherded all of Joe Biden's major

38:32

bills through the Senate and he raised

38:34

tens of millions of dollars for Democratic

38:36

candidates, many of whom he recruited as

38:38

majority leader. But when the once notoriously

38:41

aggressive senator who invented the

38:43

Sunday pressor was asked by

38:45

the New York Times this

38:47

weekend about whether Democrats media

38:49

strategy was inauthentic and outdated. Part

38:51

of his answer kind of told

38:54

you everything you needed to know. Here's

38:56

what he said, quote, this is part

38:58

of it. We had like 60 influencers

39:00

at the state of the union and

39:02

they went on all the social media,

39:04

all the social media. According to the

39:07

people who tell me because I get

39:09

all of these reports, it had millions

39:11

and millions of views. Now.

39:13

Repeatedly saying, these social media, of

39:15

course, is its own dead giveaway? I

39:18

get all these reports about information

39:20

that is readily available to

39:22

literally anyone who has ever

39:25

posted on any of these

39:27

platforms. That's the other one.

39:29

Not exactly authentic or modern.

39:31

And when Schummer was asked

39:33

why he was the right person to

39:35

lead the Democrats right now, his answer

39:38

was basically that he'd done it

39:40

before. Here's the thing. Michael Jordan

39:42

was also the best basketball

39:44

player of all time. But would he be

39:46

starting for the Bulls this week? I think

39:48

we know the answer to that one. Look,

39:51

experience is a good thing. It's

39:53

important. But seniority and keeping people

39:55

in charge simply because they have

39:57

done it before should not be.

39:59

the only thing. In fact, doing

40:01

things the way they have always been

40:04

done is not working. Case in point,

40:06

shumering back down from a

40:08

government shutdown threat it helped

40:10

Republicans pass their funding bill

40:13

last week. His argument was that

40:15

a shutdown would make it harder

40:17

to resist Trump's takeover of

40:19

the government. They're taking over

40:22

the government. They're dismantling

40:24

the government, despite this. And

40:27

in the process... He also gave up

40:29

all their leverage. And Republican

40:31

leaders, including Trump, didn't have to

40:33

pay any price. I mean, Trump even

40:35

thanked Schumer for doing the right thing.

40:38

He thanked him. Literally, that was his

40:40

quote, for doing the right thing. Chuck

40:43

Shower was a hell of a majority

40:45

leader in his prime. I grew up

40:47

in politics when he was majority leader,

40:50

when he was the aggressive senator, when

40:52

he was the aggressive member of Congress

40:54

who was dominating media coverage, arm-twisting Republicans,

40:57

and members of his own party, and

40:59

raising an absolute boatload of money for

41:01

Democrats. But he is not in his

41:03

prime. The Republican Party is not the

41:06

party of McCain or Romney or even

41:08

George W. Bush. Schumer's own party. is

41:10

so mad at him that he had

41:12

to cancel his own book tour over

41:14

the book backlash. And the social media,

41:16

not the Sunday press conference,

41:19

is actually how the majority

41:21

of people communicate and consume

41:23

news these days. So where does that

41:25

leave the Democrats these days? Well,

41:27

feels to me, like instead of just

41:30

making tweaks to the margins of

41:32

the message, which by the way

41:34

is important too, maybe it's time to

41:36

spend more time to throwing out the

41:38

hard copy of the old playbook,

41:40

and start thinking about new messengers.

41:43

And to that point, you'll want

41:45

to stick around here from our

41:47

next guest. We'll be right back.

41:49

Today, Harris County Attorney Christian

41:52

Menifie announced he's running for

41:54

the 18th congressional seat in

41:57

Houston held by the late

41:59

Sylvester. Turner. Watch this. In 2020, I

42:01

became the first African-American

42:03

elected Harris County attorney. And I've spent

42:05

my time in office standing up to

42:08

bullies. I stood up to scammers, stealing

42:10

people's homes and polluters, poisoning our air

42:12

and water. I stood up to Greg

42:14

Abbott when he came for our voting

42:16

rights. And I stood up to Donald

42:19

Trump, because we can't let him take

42:21

us backward. We love people who

42:23

stand up to bullies. Joining me now

42:25

for his first national interview since announcing

42:27

his candidacy for Congress is Christian Menifie.

42:29

Well, you've had quite a day. Thank

42:31

you for joining me. So let me

42:33

start by asking you this. I mean,

42:35

you've gone, you said it in your

42:37

ad and I know your history well.

42:39

You've gone head to head with the

42:41

governor of Texas and Trump in court many

42:44

times, and you've won some of

42:46

those times. There's obviously a frustration

42:48

with Democrats in Washington right now. Well,

42:53

Jen, thank you very much for having me

42:55

on tonight. What I've seen throughout the

42:57

base in the state of Texas is

42:59

that people want fighters. They want fighters

43:01

at every level of government who are

43:03

going to stand up to magga extremists

43:05

as they work to roll back our

43:07

rights. As Harris County attorney, I've gone

43:09

toe to toe with Greg Abbott, with

43:11

Ken Paxson, with all the magga names

43:13

that you think of when you think

43:15

of Donald Trump, and time after time

43:17

we've won. We've delivered real results for

43:19

people, real results for people in the

43:21

area of people, and going after scammers.

43:23

That's exactly what I want to

43:26

bring to DC is that fighting

43:28

spirit. We've seen Trump time after

43:30

time, cut off funding, critical programs,

43:32

roll back rights, and I think

43:34

that it's time that we stood

43:36

up and fought in a meaningful

43:38

way to deliver real results for the

43:40

people we serve. A lot of Democrats,

43:43

you know, I think they're trying to

43:45

figure out how to fight in the

43:47

right way. Your fellow Houston Democrat, Congressman

43:50

Al Green, was censored. How did you

43:52

feel about Congressman Green's approach to the

43:54

joint session? And what would be your

43:57

strategy be in a moment like that?

44:01

I thought what Congressman Al Green did

44:03

was incredibly Texas, because Texas Democrats

44:05

know how to fight. We've been dealing

44:07

with magistrates for a very very long time.

44:09

We have been in the backyard a place

44:12

where people thought we would never be able

44:14

to be competitive and we saw in 2018

44:16

better or work came very very close to

44:18

flipping the entire state. What Congressman Green did

44:20

was stand up and call out what is

44:22

not right and that's exactly what we need

44:24

in DC and not just fighting for the

44:26

purpose of fighting some sort of cosmetic battle

44:28

but on the issues that are important to

44:30

people. When you have a president who is

44:32

telling immigrants that even though their kids are

44:35

born right here in the United... States that

44:37

they're not citizens. When you have a president

44:39

who is stepping in and cutting off trillions

44:41

of dollars in federal programming, people want more

44:43

than words, people want more than Tiktaks, people

44:46

want more than tweets. They want someone who's

44:48

going to stand up, who's going to fight,

44:50

and who's going to deliver real results. And

44:52

that's exactly what I hope to bring

44:54

to Congress. Governor Abbott has yet to schedule the

44:57

election date in your race, I believe. Are you

44:59

worried at all that he might delay the election

45:01

to help Republicans keep their slim House majority? I

45:06

hope that Governor Abbott does not play politics

45:08

with the people of the 18th Congressional

45:10

District. Now, in two years, we've had

45:12

two different periods where the people of

45:14

the 18th Congressional District have not had

45:16

representation. When we lost the late great

45:18

Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee and now when

45:20

we've lost former mayor and congressman Sylvester

45:23

Turner, these were incredible public servants, and

45:25

this is a district that deserves to

45:27

be able to have service and representation

45:29

the same way that anybody else does.

45:31

I've seen Greg Abbott play politics with

45:33

a lot of things, but to So

45:35

with people's congressional representation would be beyond the

45:37

pale. So it's my hope that he schedules the

45:39

election for as soon as possible. But even if

45:41

he doesn't, I am in this race, I am

45:44

in this race, I am in it to win

45:46

it, regardless of how long it takes, I will

45:48

make sure that the people in this district

45:50

have good representation in DC. I think you're

45:52

definitely right that people are looking for

45:54

fighters and people who stand up to

45:57

bullies and you certainly have had that

45:59

experience in Texas. Thank you so much

46:01

for taking the time. I know it's

46:03

been again a huge day for you.

46:05

Running for Congress isn't easy either. I

46:07

think people should know. So thanks for

46:09

taking the time to join me tonight and

46:12

we'll be right back. Okay, I've got a

46:14

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46:18

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