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the brothers. Look at you the brothers you

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even said it like New Jack City, dude

1:01

Well, he's got street cracks and coming through.

1:03

Do you have street cred or is it?

1:05

What is it in space? What do you

1:08

call that? Is it space cred? Multiverse

1:10

cred. Yeah, we look at that

1:12

Yeah, to be the, to be the,

1:14

you know, most, most street cred

1:16

legit professor is not the biggest

1:18

flex in the world. I don't

1:20

know, man. I think it might

1:22

be. I think it might be.

1:25

I think it might be. I

1:27

think it might be that dude

1:29

from Columbia that was like, yeah,

1:31

I just kind of casually do

1:33

heroin from time to time.

1:35

No, well, no needle drugs. You

1:37

know, I gotta keep it clean.

1:39

You know, my boss, good old

1:42

Gavin, is gonna check on me.

1:44

Yeah, no needles. I like that

1:46

policy. Gavin with that haircut, he's

1:48

definitely on the Boger Sugar, though.

1:50

Oh, yeah. Newsom? Never stopped him.

1:53

Yeah, hasn't ever. Is Newsom your

1:55

boss, really? Well, he's a public

1:57

employee. He's governor, yeah, he's the

1:59

ultimate. boss of the University of

2:01

California system where I work. Wow,

2:03

that's not good. Shit. What are

2:06

you working on these days? Well,

2:08

you know, we're working on understanding the

2:10

age of the universe, whether there

2:12

was a Big Bang, whether the

2:14

universe will last forever. And also

2:17

whether or not we're alone in

2:19

the universe. These are the really

2:21

biggest topics you could ever study.

2:23

And we're not that much closer,

2:25

but every day we make a

2:27

little bit of progress. So we

2:29

built the telescope in the last

2:31

four years in observatory, called the

2:33

Simon's Observatory in Chile, about 17,000

2:35

feet. got about $200 million invested

2:37

in that and that just turned

2:39

on you know in the last

2:41

last few weeks so we're hoping

2:43

to get some data in this

2:45

coming year in 2025 and that data

2:47

will Hopefully really change the way we

2:50

look at whether there was an origin

2:52

of our universe, whether the universe has

2:54

always been here, and whether the universe

2:56

is going to come to an end,

2:58

and when we can stop paying taxes.

3:00

Now when you say come to an

3:02

end, there's big crunch and big freeze,

3:04

are we still doing that, or is there

3:06

some other theory? Yeah, there's a couple

3:08

different scenarios for the end of the

3:11

universe, you know, there's a couple scenarios

3:13

for the beginning of the beginning of

3:15

the universe, too. permissible to be known

3:17

by the laws of physics, by the

3:19

laws of observation. You know, I can't

3:21

see you guys, even if I had

3:24

a super powerful telescope here, because the

3:26

horizon, you know, fades away, curves away,

3:28

despite what the flare-fers might believe. There

3:30

is a curve horizon, but I can

3:32

infer that you're here. There are many

3:35

ways I could, you know, gather information

3:37

about you. But there are certain

3:39

things called event horizons that may

3:41

preclude us from ever knowing what

3:43

the truth is about the actual

3:45

origin... point of the universe itself

3:47

and for that reason it's both

3:49

shrouded in mystery and shrouded sometimes

3:51

in a lot of bullshit because

3:53

it's very easy to make a

3:56

prediction about something that can't be

3:58

observed right because you can't be

4:00

proven wrong. And so I think that's

4:02

the challenge of being a scientist nowadays

4:04

is kind of avoiding. hype and really

4:06

looking at the legit things that we

4:08

can say and when we can't know

4:10

something say we don't know or we

4:13

can't know and don't be afraid to

4:15

do that and I think a lot

4:17

of my colleagues unfortunately are not you

4:19

know used to admitting that they don't

4:21

know something and so it puts us

4:23

in this position of a lot of

4:25

proliferation of hype so to speak we

4:27

admit you cock you on the show

4:30

big fan of him obviously yeah speaking

4:32

to hypes ends He's older. He's an

4:34

older gentleman and, you know, he's interested

4:36

in the same theories and answers and

4:38

questions that you have. Does it worry

4:40

you at all that you'll never ever

4:42

get the answers you're actually seeking and

4:45

that you'll die before you'll get the

4:47

answers that you've been working every single

4:49

minute of your life on? Well, shit,

4:51

it didn't until now. Yeah, it should.

4:53

It should. It freaks me the fuck,

4:55

man. That better be Gen 4 if

4:57

you're in California. Gen 5 is illegal

4:59

now. But no, in all seriousness, does

5:02

that ever keep you up at night?

5:04

Where you're like, man, I'm doing all

5:06

this work, and it's day after day

5:08

after day, but I might never know

5:10

this answer, and then I just will

5:12

die. It doesn't because it's not as

5:14

cut and dry as that and for

5:16

good reason. Science isn't really only about

5:19

like, oh you made this huge breakthrough

5:21

and you discovered the origin of the

5:23

universe. I mean, how many times can

5:25

that actually happen, right? But there's a

5:27

lot of incremental breakthroughs that occur on

5:29

a daily basis. And I'm speaking not

5:31

just, you know, to be glib, but

5:33

not just about like, well, we teach

5:36

you know, you know, and we educate

5:38

every day and we make, you know,

5:40

progress on an experiment on an experiment

5:42

or a line of... I don't know,

5:44

I mean, we're actually learning a tremendous

5:46

amount about how the universe is structured.

5:48

And we know a lot more than

5:51

we did say when I was, you

5:53

know, starting off my graduate career, you

5:55

know, 25, 30 years ago. So I

5:57

say that in the context of the

5:59

progress that we've made can be really

6:01

measured exquisitely accurately. For example, when I

6:03

started graduate school in 1993, you know,

6:05

fresh face, didn't know exactly what I

6:08

wanted to do, and I started thinking

6:10

about cosmology, I thought these guys were

6:12

total idiots, you know, because they couldn't

6:14

tell you if the universe was 10

6:16

billion years old or 20 billion years

6:18

old. So that would be like, you

6:20

have a father, and you don't know

6:22

if he's older than you or not.

6:25

Like, I mean, maybe that could be

6:27

the case for certain people, you know,

6:29

the brand new stepmom or something like

6:31

that. But really we had 100% uncertainty

6:33

on the age of the universe. Now,

6:35

we know the age of the universe

6:37

as precisely as I can look at

6:40

you guys and tell you what half,

6:42

you know, whether you were born in

6:44

the morning or the day or the

6:46

night time. In other words, within a

6:48

few hours of precision out of 40,

6:50

50 years, however old you guys are.

6:52

So no. 90s baby. 90s baby. 90s

6:54

baby. Yeah. Continue? Okay. All right. Totally.

6:57

Totally kidding. Totally. Totally kidding. in sync

6:59

and you got the in sync lunchbox

7:01

did you yeah all of it yeah

7:03

so no the progress is tangible we

7:05

didn't know uh... you know what the

7:07

masses we didn't know how many quarks

7:09

there were we didn't know anything about

7:11

the higgs boson this is like in

7:14

thirty years now thirty years is the

7:16

has a long time to a person

7:18

but over the span of human civilization

7:20

just look at you know how much

7:22

technology is advanced and a lot of

7:24

the byproducts of what we do in

7:26

you know cutting-edge physics don't immediately throw

7:29

off scientific you know technological benefits but

7:31

in my case it does i mean

7:33

the internet was in part invented by

7:35

physicists working in a large hadron collider

7:37

and went to share data and and

7:39

the you look for the extremes where

7:41

do you find the most extreme the

7:43

most amount of data the most amount

7:46

of energy the most amount of of

7:48

of matter well it's going to be

7:50

in fundamental sciences the kind of stuff

7:52

that I do so stuff that Kaku

7:54

does on the other hand is both

7:56

as both secluded from criticism, because what

7:58

he's predicting is stuff that, yeah, you

8:00

can't do in a lifetime, you can't

8:03

do in this century, maybe it doesn't

8:05

even exist, but maybe if it does

8:07

exist, you won't be able to know

8:09

about it until 2020, you know, until

8:11

the year, you know, 2,500, right? So

8:13

those guys have kind of ultimate job

8:15

security. And the job of people like

8:18

me who build experiments is kind of

8:20

be like doge and like get rid

8:22

of these, you know, people that are

8:24

basically just, you know, kind of trumpeting

8:26

the same predictions for the last 30,

8:28

40 years and bring to it observations.

8:30

Say, look, you predicted this, we didn't

8:32

see this. you can't keep saying the

8:35

same thing and expecting different results, right?

8:37

So no, in an experiment it's very

8:39

different. I don't know how my colleagues

8:41

in the theoretical, like Kaku does it.

8:43

For example, I mean, he's not a

8:45

practicing scientist anymore. I mean, you know,

8:47

for God love him, he's 80 years

8:49

old or whatever, but you know, he's

8:52

old enough, he should be relaxing and

8:54

being president or something like that. So

8:56

yeah, I don't know how the theoretical

8:58

physicistsists deal with it when they can't

9:00

even... prove themselves wrong? At least I

9:02

can do an experiment to prove something

9:04

wrong or prove something actually occurred. And

9:06

so that, no, I don't have that

9:09

existential on we about my profession, you

9:11

know, for that reason. And there's always

9:13

more stuff to learn. I mean, just

9:15

in the last few years, I mean,

9:17

this whole explosion of AI has really

9:19

transformed the way I do research and

9:21

the way I think about what it

9:24

is that a scientist should be doing.

9:26

Yeah, so speaking of proving things wrong.

9:28

Since Friedman in the early 1920s we

9:30

thought the Big Bang was kind of

9:32

the standard that but because we saw

9:34

and it led to a whole host

9:36

of other problems too but we saw

9:38

that the universe was expanded expanding because

9:41

of Hubble and then we're like well

9:43

if it's expanding it must have at

9:45

some point all been in one spot

9:47

that makes sense right intellectually and then

9:49

we'd go back and back and back

9:51

and we're like well it expanded too

9:53

much in the early period so we

9:55

have to deal with inflation as it's

9:58

called and now there's a lot of,

10:00

I wouldn't say, I don't know if

10:02

doubt is even the right word, but

10:04

a lot of criticism of the theory

10:06

as a whole. Can you go into

10:08

that? What do we discover that's new

10:10

that makes us think maybe the Big

10:13

Bang wasn't the origin, or if there

10:15

is an origin at all? Yeah, so

10:17

these are the oldest questions that humanity

10:19

has really asked since we, you know,

10:21

kind of crawled out of caves and,

10:23

you know, 250 thousand years ago. and

10:25

and and that still continues and the

10:27

challenge with science is like we don't

10:30

actually prove stuff like I can't prove

10:32

to you the earth is round and

10:34

in fact it's it's not perfectly round

10:36

you know it has these characteristics of

10:38

what's called an oblate spiroid it's a

10:40

little bit like a football not quite

10:42

you know shout out to the Super

10:44

Bowl but the point being that it

10:47

bulges a little bit because it's rotating

10:49

about the equator so like many of

10:51

us it bulges around the equator right

10:53

and so the the the the statement

10:55

that the earth is round is not

10:57

true but it's more true than the

10:59

statement the earth is flat so to

11:02

say that the earth the universe had

11:04

a big bang is a statement which

11:06

you would like to be able to

11:08

prove but in fact we can't actually

11:10

have direct evidence from that time period

11:12

because it obviously happened over 13 billion

11:14

years ago so what we do is

11:16

we look for indirect evidence we look

11:19

for the conditions of fossils kind of

11:21

like we want to learn about what

11:23

was the you know the paleolithicic time

11:25

period like We look for fossils. We

11:27

look for things that have traveled through

11:29

time that bear the imprint of the

11:31

physical conditions in which they were made.

11:33

So in the case of the Big

11:36

Bang, the stuff that's made... are the

11:38

elements in the periodic table, for example,

11:40

or in the case of what I

11:42

study, waves of gravity called gravitational radiation.

11:44

And so if you see those things,

11:46

they are harbingers of the early universe's

11:48

conditions. And so you use those as

11:51

thermometers or as scales to measure the

11:53

mass or the content of the universe.

11:55

So right now, what I always say

11:57

to my students is, when you discover

11:59

a flaw, it might lead to a

12:01

new... law. In other words, you might

12:03

learn something new. So when we had

12:05

the big bang that overthrew the previous

12:08

paradigm, which is that the universe was

12:10

static, eternal, steady, state, and existed forever.

12:12

Now that doesn't mean that every single

12:14

person on earth believes that. In fact,

12:16

there are colleagues today who don't believe

12:18

that, who believe the universe didn't have

12:20

a big bang. They're in the minority,

12:22

and, you know, science is not necessarily

12:25

done by majority opinion or authority opinion,

12:27

but it goes by preponderance of evidence.

12:29

And it's different than saying, oh, well,

12:31

like, you scientists all believed in the

12:33

COVID vaccine. So, you know, are you

12:35

believing global warming? So why should I

12:37

trust you? It's very different, right, guys.

12:39

I mean, if you think about, like,

12:42

the stakes for you to inject some,

12:44

you know, messenger RNA into your kid's

12:46

body is a lot different than the

12:48

stakes of believing whether or not neutrons

12:50

were created in the first, you know,

12:52

280 or 270 seconds, right? And in

12:54

a sense there's less to be, to

12:57

be, and that's why I think there

12:59

are so much, you know, misguided in

13:01

some cases passion around, say the whole

13:03

UAP, UFO question, right? Because people do

13:05

believe that they're, that the UFOs and

13:07

UAPs will have an effect on their

13:09

daily lives. I think that's personally nonsense,

13:11

but we can talk about that later.

13:14

But the point about cosmology is when

13:16

the stakes are lower, like believing in

13:18

the Big Bang, quote unquote, or not

13:20

believing in it, that doesn't impact your

13:22

daily life, right? It's not going to

13:24

change lower egg prices. It's not going

13:26

to change how many followers you have

13:28

on Instagram. But it will change religion,

13:31

not to interrupt you. It will change

13:33

people's religion and then the way they

13:35

view the world, though. And that's also

13:37

a big problem. Yeah, because there's going

13:39

to be people that wake up with

13:41

this idea that wake up. So what

13:43

do we all even after all? But

13:46

even the biggest, it's really funny, it's

13:48

always sunny, does a great bit on

13:50

this, even science is wrong sometimes, and

13:52

he says he makes everybody look like

13:54

a bitch, the whole scene is really

13:56

funny, but the biggest scientific breakthrough is

13:58

of all time, almost... all

14:01

of them have been not necessarily

14:03

disproven but been proven only somewhat

14:05

correct or only correct in under

14:07

these conditions or something like that

14:09

right so yeah provisionally correct or

14:11

only correct under these circumstances right

14:13

so general relativity for example the

14:15

miracle year of 1905 is probably

14:17

the biggest year in science and

14:19

at least so far as I

14:21

know in history and it turns

14:23

out it doesn't talk about the

14:25

small part of the world the

14:27

quantum world at all right and

14:29

it's and Einstein knew that later

14:32

in life and that's he died

14:34

that that that kind of morose

14:36

solilically you went on earlier about

14:38

him regretting his entire life yes

14:40

Einstein literally died in a hospital

14:42

bed trying to figure out the

14:44

theory of everything as they call

14:46

that's and that's why I asked

14:48

you because the other thing too

14:50

is like with the Big Bang

14:52

theory in particular This is a

14:54

huge one for religious zealots and

14:56

all that other stuff and everybody

14:58

will die on this hill about

15:00

what actually happens. And what if

15:02

you proved it? I think if

15:04

you are... What if you proved

15:06

it one way or the other?

15:09

I think if your faith hangs

15:11

in the balance over what mechanisms

15:13

brought all this into existence, like

15:15

physical mechanisms brought into existence, and

15:17

you're not really a terribly faithful

15:19

person probably, right? Not to say

15:21

that you should believe one thing

15:23

as literal truth versus something else

15:25

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episode. Or just like sand. You know

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what I mean? It doesn't make any

17:28

fucking sense to even think about that

17:31

in my opinion. Well look I agree

17:33

with you but we always keep an

17:35

open mind because you know after all

17:37

these years of nine years of doing

17:39

this on the show and having guys

17:41

like you on. Science is always changing

17:43

and it should be because hopefully technology

17:45

improves like you said earlier AI improves

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and all that other stuff and we're

17:49

able to look back and change science

17:51

and understand what happened what could happen

17:54

in the future and everything else but

17:56

there's just people who aren't willing to

17:58

believe that. With the big bang in

18:00

particular with what you're working on, there's

18:02

a lot of people who freak out

18:04

about shit like that. And I wonder

18:06

if they ever hit you up and

18:08

say, hey, why are you looking into

18:10

this? Why do you even believe it's

18:12

something other than what we've been taught?

18:14

Oh yeah. And I mean, just historical

18:17

point of fact, the big bang model,

18:19

you know, yes, Friedman, Alexander, Freeman and

18:21

others contributed to the mathematical understanding of

18:23

it, but it was really this Catholic

18:25

priest, named Georgelaatra. who had this idea

18:27

and as soon as he came up

18:29

with this idea first of all Einstein

18:31

thought he was in that case but

18:33

this priest to give him his credit

18:35

he was like I don't want this

18:38

used by the Pope which immediately was

18:40

to justify you know the description of

18:42

Genesis you know one-one so it's very

18:44

dangerous to do that by the way

18:46

not not not necessarily for, you know,

18:48

the scientists who say, oh, well, you

18:50

know, I think scientists might have more

18:52

of, you know, a feeling of anathema

18:54

towards religion than the converse. In other

18:56

words, someone whose religious can always say,

18:58

as everyone from Galileo, you know, Dakar,

19:01

everyone has done throughout the ages, was

19:03

to say and Isaac Newton especially I

19:05

mean he was deeply religious you know

19:07

his biggest accomplishment he said he died

19:09

a virgin like his hero Jesus Christ

19:11

so he wrote way more about about

19:13

you know the religion than he did

19:15

about sciences and then he was probably

19:17

arguably the greatest scientist who ever lived

19:19

so the the statement that you know

19:22

people will have their opinions upheld I

19:24

actually don't or upended I actually think

19:26

that's true in a lot of cases

19:28

I think people will just reverse engineer

19:30

their narrative to then comport the scientific

19:32

data. And that happened during the Big

19:34

Bang and happened after the Big Bang.

19:36

I mean, don't forget for, you know,

19:38

2,000 years after Jesus. I mean, really,

19:40

the Big Bang model came about in

19:42

the late 1920s. So there was no

19:45

evidence for it. There was no even

19:47

theory for it. And people thought it

19:49

was all steady state. So what did

19:51

the religious people do with that, you

19:53

know, brutal fact? as according to science,

19:55

that the universe was eternal. Well, it

19:57

didn't affect their faith, right? I mean,

19:59

arguably faith was a lot stronger back

20:01

then. And I think the same thing

20:03

will happen with everything from aliens to,

20:05

you know, if we discover inflation took

20:08

place. I remember we did claim inflation

20:10

took place in 2020 and 2014. my

20:12

experiment South Pole that I invented and

20:14

co-led at, you know, at one time,

20:16

you know, we announced we detected inflation

20:18

and on the front page of the

20:20

New York Times where people saying this

20:22

proves there's no God and then religious

20:24

journals, it proves that God did it

20:26

all. So, well, let's go into it

20:29

though. Why, what, what could a, do,

20:31

do we have any idea what might

20:33

have caused what we're perceiving as inflation?

20:35

Because, like, like, just a quick description,

20:37

there is the speed of light. atoms

20:39

have mass and mass gets heavier as

20:41

it moves faster right we that it's

20:43

rudimentary reductive but that's basically what it

20:45

is but this stuff moved I think

20:47

it's like one thirty two thousandth of

20:49

a second it got as big as

20:52

a basketball or something like that and

20:54

it expanded rapidly after that again or

20:56

so I don't remember the exact numbers

20:58

but inflation moved the early universe faster

21:00

than we can calculate it essentially right

21:02

or faster than our law the audience

21:04

at home we're not talking about financial

21:06

inflation no no although that's coming down

21:08

well I bet everybody's talking about that

21:10

now just to clarify. Do you continue?

21:13

But do we have any idea of

21:15

what might have caused that? Because to

21:17

me it always sounded like, I don't

21:19

know, I feel like, I like simple

21:21

explanations of things. And all of our,

21:23

like the big crunch makes a lot

21:25

of sense to me where all of

21:27

our, all the matter in the universe

21:29

eventually gets sucked into one. giant black

21:31

hole and why wouldn't that pour out

21:33

into somewhere else or pour right out

21:36

of that black hole or something you

21:38

know what I mean. All right so

21:40

here's what I want you guys to

21:42

do we're gonna do an experiment first

21:44

time ever. Take some hard as F.

21:46

Hard F. Seltzer's done. I'll grab it

21:48

out of the fridge. Yeah how many

21:50

cans? How many cans I grab? One

21:52

for each of you guys. Okay hang

21:54

on I'm gonna do a randomized controlled

21:57

trial. So, inflation is a lot like...

21:59

I'll get an old one, actually. I

22:01

don't want to waste it. You forced

22:03

me to drink, Brian. Yeah, no, that

22:05

is Friday. I never do it. I

22:07

never do it. I never do it.

22:09

Especially on Fridays. Dear God. Sorry, you

22:11

know. Sorry, Dad. Break your streak. Keep

22:13

it open or close. So, one of

22:15

you guys, shake yours up. And the

22:17

other one, keep it, keep it still,

22:20

okay? Okay. He's going to shake his

22:22

up. I'm going to kick his up.

22:24

Bigger as, bigger as, get that going.

22:26

There you go. All right, now, one

22:28

of you got, both of you guys

22:30

to open on the count of three,

22:32

you ready? And hold it up to

22:34

the camera. I can't see yours, Dan.

22:36

There we go. You got one, two,

22:38

three. There we go. Okay. So Dan

22:40

sport out all over the floor. Mine

22:43

did not for the audio listeners for

22:45

the audio listeners. That's right. What inflation

22:47

really? And if you had taken, ever

22:49

when your kid put one of those

22:51

in the freezer? Oh yeah. Never froze

22:53

a beer or something, guys? Yes, we

22:55

do it all the time here because

22:57

people are gunning through them, so we'll

22:59

put them in the freezer, forget over

23:01

the weekend, they come in, they're all

23:04

exploded, yes. That's right. So if you

23:06

super cool alcohol, it won't actually get

23:08

like super hard, right? It can still

23:10

stay liquid form. But then as soon

23:12

as you open it, it'll be even

23:14

worse than what happened when Dan's, right?

23:16

It would just go, it goes everywhere,

23:18

freaking explodes, right? And actually the same

23:20

thing can happen if you heat up

23:22

water. If you ever take water in

23:24

a perfectly pristine cup and you put

23:27

it into the microwave, you can nuke

23:29

it for like six minutes. It won't

23:31

actually boil, but if you take it

23:33

out, it'll explode. And it's actually extremely

23:35

dangerous to do that. So I'm not

23:37

advocating to do that. That happened to

23:39

me. You're right. And I couldn't figure

23:41

out why that happened. Yep. So what

23:43

happens is that you have this, it's

23:45

what's called either super saturated or you're

23:48

basically causing what's called a phase transition.

23:50

So when you shook up the beer,

23:52

or you shook up the Celtsor rather,

23:54

you're actually taking the carbon dioxide. the

23:56

phase changes from liquid to gas and

23:58

it does so really really quickly if

24:00

you've shaken it up because there's more

24:02

gas trying to dissolve in a finite

24:04

still the same amount size can right

24:06

so 12 ounce can so when you

24:08

do that in the universe what the

24:11

theory behind inflation is that inflation was

24:13

a feel like the Seltzer, except this

24:15

filling all of space and time. It

24:17

was impregnated, filled with carbon dioxide, but

24:19

instead of carbon dioxide, they're called them

24:21

quantum fluctuations. And when you open it,

24:23

when you release it, when the phase

24:25

transition takes place, expansion is unavoidable. And

24:27

actually the expansion can take place faster

24:29

than the speed of light. And when

24:32

that happens faster than the speed of

24:34

light, things that are farther away than

24:36

the age of the universe times the

24:38

speed of light are now in a

24:40

sense closer to you, and they can

24:42

actually... impact you. And what would happen

24:44

in the universe is that there'd be

24:46

a local region of space that had

24:48

a certain value of this quantum field

24:50

called the inflation field or inflatant. And

24:52

then it would merge with another bubble

24:55

and then those bubbles would grow and

24:57

regions that had the kind of right

24:59

properties to eventually create matter energy. and

25:01

so forth, later on down the line,

25:03

those merge together. And then there are

25:05

very many tiny bubbles that you guys

25:07

never saw in the Seltzer can. Same

25:09

exact thing happens. Those are too small

25:11

to merge. So some of those basically

25:13

get blown away by the expanding liquid.

25:15

And yes, you can't make a perfect

25:18

analogy, but that is sort of the,

25:20

now, what, how to exist, right? You

25:22

guys had to already have the Seltzer

25:24

on hand. So where was the inflation

25:26

before the Big Bang, before the spark

25:28

that ignited it? Well, that has to

25:30

be postulated that it always existed. So

25:32

in that sense, the steady state does

25:34

kind of play our role, except it's

25:36

not called the steady state. It's called

25:39

the multiverse. The multiverse is the giant

25:41

can of Seltzer that exists everywhere. in

25:43

all of space and all of time

25:45

for all time. And that's the precondition

25:47

that has to exist. And then once

25:49

you stipulate that occurs, then everything else

25:51

that you described in... can happen. Yeah

25:53

by the way the same thing will

25:55

happen if you put hot like fill

25:57

up your thermost with hot water a

25:59

super hot water cover it and then

26:02

shake it up it activates and it'll

26:04

start producing steam and when you take

26:06

it off you'll hear that pop or

26:08

whatever yeah same thing do we know

26:10

what quantum fluctuations are what is actually

26:12

causing that yet like I like it's

26:14

part of my the only time I've

26:16

ever heard that phrase is from Heisenberg's

26:18

uncertainty principle is that right? Yeah, I

26:20

mean those are very allied concepts. So

26:23

what we think about as fundamental, we're

26:25

used to thinking of like particles as,

26:27

you know, atoms and stuff like that,

26:29

that's not really true, right? So at

26:31

the base level of the way that

26:33

physics and quantum mechanics explains things. What

26:35

we perceive as particles are what are

26:37

called excitations, and they're excitations in what's

26:39

called the quantum field. And so light

26:41

particles, photons that we see each other

26:43

with, those are excitations in the photon

26:46

field. Those are instantiations, particles of photons,

26:48

packets of energy, if you will. And

26:50

then there's packets of electrons. Electrons can

26:52

have, electrons have a field as well,

26:54

a quantum field. They can be created,

26:56

they can be destroyed. There's certain conditions

26:58

that need to occur. You can't arbitrarily

27:00

create a very extreme large amounts of

27:02

energy in an arbitrarily small amount of

27:04

time, for example. That's a Heisenberg uncertainty

27:06

relation. You can't create them with arbitrary

27:09

velocity and know exactly where they are.

27:11

That's an uncertainty. So yes, they're coming

27:13

into an out of existence and the

27:15

Higgs boson is also a field. called

27:17

the Higgs field. And so the fundamental

27:19

things according to physicists are fields. And

27:21

so the inflation field has existed for

27:23

all time, just like the photon field

27:25

exists right now in your room. There's

27:27

some probability in right in front of

27:30

you for two photons to come together.

27:32

annihilate each other and create a pair

27:34

of electron and a positron, which is

27:36

its antimatter cousin. And so as long

27:38

as you conserve certain quantities, like energy

27:40

is conserved, matter is not conserved, right?

27:42

I just gave you an example where

27:44

something with no mass, photons, creates something

27:46

with actual mass, like an electron. But

27:48

energy is always conserved and momentum is

27:50

always conserved. Other things called spin and

27:53

things like that are conserved. And so

27:55

as long as you don't violate those

27:57

conditions, yes, you can create essentially anything.

27:59

And then if the universe had these

28:01

conditions that it was filled with this

28:03

field at early times, you could create

28:05

a universe and basically a spontaneous, according

28:07

to some colleagues, you basically create an

28:09

anti- universe that travels back in time.

28:11

And those are really mind-boggling possibilities. But

28:14

everyone agrees on this fact. that the

28:16

universe was much hotter and much denser

28:18

when it was much much younger. There's

28:20

no evidence that that refutes that. Now

28:22

we can argue about how much denser

28:24

how much hotter and when does that

28:26

law of physics break down but the

28:28

laws of physics hold as Dan it's

28:30

not one one over a 30 second

28:32

hundredth of a second it's ten to

28:34

the minus 32 seconds in other words

28:37

a decimal point thirty two zeros thirty

28:39

one zeros and then a one so

28:41

this is an incredible accomplishment and so

28:43

that's another reason I don't feel depressed

28:45

I mean, that's an amazing thing to

28:47

say that physicists can predict what were

28:49

the physical conditions like. as early as

28:51

a trillionth of a trillionth of a

28:53

trillionth of a second after the origin

28:55

of the universe. Yes, I can't tell

28:58

you exactly what happened at the origin

29:00

of the universe any more than I

29:02

can say, well what did you look

29:04

like before your parents met each other?

29:06

But maybe with, I'm not ruling that,

29:08

I'm not ruling that, right? I mean,

29:10

can you imagine a day when you

29:12

could actually predict what did somebody look

29:14

like before their parents even met each

29:16

other? I mean, like, certainly... gene editing

29:18

is a thing now. I think there's

29:21

better ways to do with it, CRISPR

29:23

now, actually, but what you're describing, I

29:25

think, is quantum field theory, right, which

29:27

is kind of the new hotness. It

29:29

used to be kind of the big

29:31

bang theory, general relativity, and then it,

29:33

string theory, M theory, was, the hot

29:35

thing, for a while, and now quantum

29:37

field theory seems to be some attempt

29:39

at unification, right? I mean, quantum field

29:41

theory is always been around. that you

29:44

mentioned before, like Einstein died. You know,

29:46

it's too bad because he could have

29:48

been famous, right? You know, if he

29:50

had just done that, he could have

29:52

been a famous guy. Yeah, loser. God

29:54

damn it. That's the way I look

29:56

at Tim Cook and those guys. What

29:58

a fucking loser, man. Cousin marrying losers.

30:00

Yeah, Steve Jobs loser. Well, no, he's

30:02

an Einstein gave his wife, his Nobel

30:05

Prize money. So she would take the

30:07

kids and leave so he could marry

30:09

his first cousin. Really? Yeah, I mean,

30:11

is she hotter? No. She looked like

30:13

my grandma when she was like 40

30:15

actually. The one that I'll never be

30:17

able to get over is hawking, dude,

30:19

leaving his wife in that wheelchair all

30:21

fucked up. And he was just like,

30:23

nope, I've got to have the nurse.

30:25

And you're just like, Jesus Christ, man.

30:28

Well, and you know, it's crazy about

30:30

that story, just a sign. So he

30:32

couldn't talk, right? And you're making the

30:34

voice. So the voice was from his

30:36

computer programmer. husband of the nurse that

30:38

he married. No fucking way. This guy

30:40

is the ultimate cock. Yeah, yeah. So

30:42

he got his wife to the ultimate

30:44

cock, dude. So yeah, but yeah, no

30:46

quantum field theory is a well understood

30:49

It's been you know the basis for

30:51

the last you know 50-60 years of

30:53

quantum field theory Richard Feynman played a

30:55

huge role to rack It's it's basically

30:57

just a different description of looking at

30:59

The interactions between light and matter so

31:01

when quantum mechanics came about it was

31:03

really at first It was just a

31:05

description of how a an atom say

31:07

behaves in a classical universe. Like if

31:09

you have an atom and originally people

31:12

like Neil's born, they actually model the

31:14

atom as a little like planetary system,

31:16

right, with a nucleus instead of the

31:18

sun and then an electron going around.

31:20

Now we know that's totally wrong, but

31:22

at least it gave very accurate answers

31:24

for things like, you know, the wavelength

31:26

of light emitted by a hydron atom,

31:28

the spectrum of light. But then later

31:30

it was realized, well, if you're going

31:33

to talk about, say, how light behaves,

31:35

you also have to treat the quantum

31:37

mechanics of light, and not just the

31:39

quantum mechanics of hydrogen. And so that

31:41

was the merger of that. That's what

31:43

quantum field theory really became. Isn't there

31:45

something about electromagnetism that Faraday used to

31:47

talk about? Like, I think it was

31:49

kind of a breakthrough in the middle

31:51

part of the 19th century where he

31:53

described, like, instead of what we call

31:56

action at a... with quantum entanglement, but

31:58

it was like instead of one thing

32:00

bumping into another thing there is some

32:02

direct line between these two things and

32:04

they're being affected at the same time

32:06

but not in the way that we

32:08

perceive it, right? That's what the original

32:10

idea of a field came from that

32:12

if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, it was

32:14

the one that's right. If already came

32:16

up with the with the idea of

32:19

the concept of a field and he

32:21

was very interesting because he wasn't he

32:23

really wasn't mathematically trained at all, but

32:25

he had a physical intuition. I actually

32:27

spoke at his institution, the Royal Institution

32:29

in the summer of 2023, and I

32:31

got to like play with his actual

32:33

experiments where he takes these magnets and

32:35

he has these iron filings, these little

32:37

like little grains of iron and he

32:40

would sprinkle him down and then glue

32:42

down a piece of wax paper and

32:44

you could see these. magnetic lines of

32:46

force that he called them. So yeah,

32:48

you're right, he did come up with

32:50

that. And a little bit different than

32:52

the spooky accident at distance has to

32:54

do quantum entanglement. But this is actually

32:56

classical. It's a classical field theory. But

32:58

Faraday and then Maxwell later was responsible

33:00

for the first attempts at unification. So

33:03

unification is a very strong principle in

33:05

science, which says that we perceive these

33:07

laws of nature being very different. Like

33:09

at first glance, you don't really think

33:11

of a magnet. as having anything to

33:13

do with say a battery, right? I

33:15

mean, they're not, they don't seem to

33:17

be really related, but Maxwell and Faraday

33:19

also showed experimentally, Maxwell theoretically in Faraday

33:21

experimentally, that actually you can perceive them

33:24

as different manifestations depending on, of all

33:26

things, the motion. of an observer, right?

33:28

So imagine you have a wire and

33:30

it's carrying a current through it. It's

33:32

just a straight piece of wire, you

33:34

attach it to a battery on one

33:36

side, ground on the other side, and

33:38

you have a current flowing through it.

33:40

Those are charges going through it, electrons

33:42

in the case of what we normally

33:44

think about as electricity. And that current

33:47

is, is, now imagine you're moving alongside

33:49

that wire exactly the same speed as

33:51

the electrons are flowing. Well, they don't

33:53

produce a current, right? They're stationary. So

33:55

you see a bunch of static charges,

33:57

right? But to someone is sitting at

33:59

rest with respect to the wire, they

34:01

see a current and every current produces

34:03

a magnetic field, via what's called Faraday's

34:05

right hand rule. So that means that

34:08

there's a transformation between electric field and

34:10

electric field and electric, magnetic field and

34:12

electric field, that is dependent dependent on

34:14

the vol... of the observer and that

34:16

made Maxwell uncomfortable and so he came

34:18

up with this idea of the ether.

34:20

He said well actually the only way

34:22

to get waves and stuff to travel

34:24

through it is to have some medium

34:26

like water. We don't see just waves

34:28

without water or waves without sound, air,

34:31

sound without air. So how do you

34:33

instantiate that? Well, he said, you have

34:35

to have this medium called the ether.

34:37

And later on, we got rid of

34:39

that. Thanks to experiments done at my

34:41

alma mater in Cleveland, called Case Western,

34:43

and other places that really were the

34:45

foundation for why Einstein said, no, actually,

34:47

the one speed of light that everyone,

34:49

that everyone agrees upon is the speed

34:51

of light. of electricity and magnetism is

34:54

one force. And then physicists are greedy

34:56

and they said, well, if we can

34:58

do that for this, these two seemingly

35:00

disparate forces like electricity and magnetism, let's

35:02

do it for all the freaking forces.

35:04

Let's do it for the nuclear force.

35:06

Let's do it for gravity. And it

35:08

actually worked for the nuclear forces, but

35:10

it doesn't work for gravity. And that's

35:12

kind of the theory of everything, that

35:15

people really want to see a unification

35:17

to say that actually, guys, there's only

35:19

one law of nature. It's not gravity,

35:21

electricity, magnetism, nuclear force, and the two

35:23

types of nuclear force. No, it's just

35:25

one mass. force called the theory of

35:27

everything. And so far, no one's been

35:29

able to. demonstrate a consistent way of

35:31

how that can occur. Is there any

35:33

reason to believe that should be a

35:35

thing to be honest? I mean, why,

35:38

I mean, certainly, who knows, but like,

35:40

is gravity, like the four forces are

35:42

strong weak nuclear electromagicism and gravity, is

35:44

there any reason to, is there any

35:46

reason to, like the four forces are

35:48

strong weak nuclear electromagicism and gravity? Is

35:50

there any reason to believe that gravity

35:52

is a strong weak nuclear electromagicism and

35:54

gravity? it has to be unified right

35:56

now but John Mayer did write the

35:59

song about it so that's true like

36:01

and that's I think had a lot

36:03

to do with how did it go

36:05

against gravity yeah it's better the second

36:07

time yeah and you got to really

36:09

do the face there and then he's

36:11

John Mayer was able to help with

36:13

that so oh yeah he's got a

36:15

piece of Well, I didn't dispute, you

36:17

know, a Nobel Laureate, like, yeah. Well,

36:19

what's new in the science world right

36:22

now? I know James Webb's up there

36:24

snapping pictures, we're getting, yeah, they're snapping

36:26

Dick Picks, of the Dick Picks, of

36:28

the Dick Picks of the Universe, right?

36:30

What I like to see are the

36:32

old Hubble photographs of the Deepfield versus

36:34

the new James Web. It's just like

36:36

getting a new iPhone or some shit.

36:38

Well, it's like going from iPhone 4

36:40

to the current one, I guess. It's

36:42

all the same, dude. Fuck Steve Jobs.

36:45

We're all like this, it's bullshit. No,

36:47

it's an 8K camera. No, you want

36:49

to do some real study, dude? I'll

36:51

pay you, I'll pay you to do

36:53

an experiment. Tell me why every time

36:55

a new goddamn iPhone comes out, the

36:57

last model completely shits the bed, dude,

36:59

and then I've got to buy the

37:01

new one. That's what I want to

37:03

know dude, but you know, it's it's

37:06

for your kids. Well, my kids at

37:08

least they just love it You know,

37:10

it's like oh, you don't want the

37:12

iPhone 13 14 dad, you know, it's

37:14

the same it's the same god damn

37:16

thing from 10 years ago But it's

37:18

not for him. He doesn't even have

37:20

one. No, and I get it but

37:22

to Dan's point the pictures we're getting

37:24

right now out of James webs are

37:26

just mind altering and like you can

37:29

take mushrooms and just stare at these

37:31

all night. I know some people have

37:33

argued back and forth on the internet

37:35

of, well hey they're coloring these to

37:37

make them show up more and everything

37:39

else. I mean everything is that's that's

37:41

fine. I mean in every image that

37:43

you see and I'm sure your producers

37:45

you know know that's better than you

37:47

know even I can explain it but

37:50

but the point is you've got transistors

37:52

they can only be on or off

37:54

right so what we have in our

37:56

screens is we have we have put...

37:58

you know, three transistors in each pixel,

38:00

and then we put a color filter

38:02

over each one, red, green, and blue,

38:04

and then they can just amp up

38:06

the amount of each one that goes

38:08

into a 10-bit color, you can have

38:10

10 different color, 2 to the 10th,

38:13

1,024 different levels of color. No, so

38:15

that's all, that's totally kosher. There's nothing,

38:17

you know, they're not like playing games

38:19

or like, oh, actually they're hiding, no,

38:21

every image, your cameras, your cameras right

38:23

now, you're monitor, you're monitor, they all

38:25

do that, they all do that, because

38:27

they all do that, because, because as

38:29

they all do that, because as they

38:31

all do that, because as they all

38:34

do that, because as they all do

38:36

that, because as they all do that,

38:38

because as they all do that, because

38:40

as they all do that, because as

38:42

they all do that, because as they

38:44

all do that, because as I say,

38:46

because as I say, because as I

38:48

say, because as the transistors can only

38:50

be on or off. That's how a

38:52

camera works. No, totally. And look, the

38:54

images are beautiful. And I think what

38:57

I love about what we're seeing and

38:59

the colorization and everything else is very

39:01

similar to what you're doing in your

39:03

space right now, where you're making it

39:05

easy for everybody else to understand. Therefore,

39:07

we're not just looking at these images

39:09

that look like fucking braille in the

39:11

distance that we've got to run our

39:13

hands over and trying to figure out.

39:15

what planets those are. You're coloring them,

39:17

you're making them easier for everybody else.

39:20

Same with you and your podcast, like

39:22

you're able to at least dumb it

39:24

down for the idiots like me and

39:26

not the smarties, like this fag next

39:28

to me. But that's the thing is

39:30

like you make it accessible for everybody

39:32

else and that's what I love about

39:34

the images we're seeing that are coming

39:36

in. I think like you know when

39:38

people don't do that I say you're

39:41

basically immoral like a scientist, every scientist

39:43

is paid by the public. And you

39:45

know I'm not going to go off

39:47

on you know some Obama tangent or

39:49

you didn't build that but but the

39:51

point is like I teach at a

39:53

public university I went to public high

39:55

schools and elementary school you know I

39:57

could not be a sign nobody could

39:59

be a scientist without actually having public

40:01

support and then when it's like you

40:04

If you were to ask me something

40:06

and I said to you, oh, you

40:08

can't understand that without the training that

40:10

I have, and blah, blah, blah, blah.

40:12

It would be like you go to

40:14

your boss if you work at a,

40:16

you know, you work in an office

40:18

and you're just like, your boss says,

40:20

well, what are you up to this

40:22

week? What did you do this week?

40:25

And you're like, oh, you can't understand

40:27

it. Like, you can't actually put our

40:29

name, you know, our finger on it.

40:31

I can't, you know, to say that

40:33

like every day I have to justify

40:35

my existence or have an existential crisis,

40:37

I don't have that problem, but a

40:39

lot of what scientists do is very

40:41

incremental, therefore it's not that significant. It's

40:43

important, but it's not that significant. It's

40:45

important, but it's not that significant, right?

40:48

But it's not that significant, right? Like,

40:50

it's not that significant, right? Like, no

40:52

scientist is curing, right? explain it to

40:54

you. And I actually, you know, get

40:56

mad at my colleagues who do that.

40:58

And that's part of the reason I

41:00

started my YouTube channel to explain things

41:02

in a fun way that I enjoy

41:04

it. I kind of really have, you

41:06

know, a challenge to explain it to

41:09

people. The other day I did a

41:11

video. I didn't get like I went

41:13

on Andrew Huberman's podcast. You may have

41:15

heard of him. He's another podcast or

41:17

he's like an anti drink. that guy

41:19

will not break alcohol man I'm sorry

41:21

I tried to get him to our

41:23

take when I was up with him

41:25

but you know we did this whole

41:27

thing and it was about it was

41:29

about the human eye and perception you

41:32

know he's a he's a PhD researcher

41:34

he's an expert in the human eye

41:36

and physiology and getting sunlight exposure And

41:38

so afterwards he made like a little

41:40

mistake in some of the reasoning that

41:42

he had for something called the green

41:44

flash. I don't know if you guys

41:46

ever been out on a boat or

41:48

out in the ocean. You see the

41:50

sunset and you see there's something called

41:52

the green flash. The sun turns briefly

41:55

green and he suspected while it's it

41:57

must be like a physical. logical effect

41:59

and I said no it's actually an

42:01

atmospheric optical effect and you know so

42:03

I made this video and I was

42:05

pretty happy about it I had a

42:07

lot of you know green screen and

42:09

I had all these animations and graphics

42:11

and like it got like two or

42:13

three thousand views. It wasn't like that

42:16

great. I put a lot of energy

42:18

into it and I was like, shit,

42:20

this sucks, you know, like, I put

42:22

all this time into it, I even

42:24

have a guest appearance from Andrew Huberman,

42:26

you know, what the hell. And then

42:28

like a couple days later I come

42:30

downstairs and one of my kids is

42:32

watching YouTube and I'm like, oh, what's

42:34

he watching? And he's watching like, wow,

42:36

that was a really good video dad

42:39

and he has like 10, 11 year

42:41

old kid. And I just thought, wow,

42:43

like, you know, it's fun to explain

42:45

stuff to a way that like an

42:47

11-year-old can understand. I'd never talk to

42:49

him about it. And I'm like, well,

42:51

the scientists that don't do that, that

42:53

feel like they're above it, to me,

42:55

they're missing out on, you know, one

42:57

of the responsibilities of the moral obligations

43:00

of what it means to be a

43:02

scientist. I mean, I don't pay you

43:04

guys, right? Yeah, we try hard. Yeah,

43:06

we try not to in Texas. Sorry.

43:08

Probably taxes are brutal here. If all

43:10

of my tax dollars went to Scientific

43:12

Discovery, then I would pay them. Yeah,

43:14

and mine's, my, I'm not saying I

43:16

don't. My science, exactly. I'm saying I,

43:18

I'm saying our CPA is figuring out

43:20

a way not to, but it's doing

43:23

a lot of work, Dan. But if

43:25

I was funding things, I would fund,

43:27

you know, why Florida men are addicted

43:29

to meth. Like, things like, things like,

43:31

you know, why Florida men are addicted

43:33

to meth. Like, things like that, what's

43:35

like that magnet, you don't explain something

43:37

simply you don't understand? right? Like certain

43:39

part of it is the efficiency of

43:41

sending one senior level or mid-level person

43:44

to go learn a skill and then

43:46

come back and teach it to everybody

43:48

else but I think the bigger use

43:50

of that is that the trainer person

43:52

becomes an absolute expert in it by

43:54

hearing from people that know more about

43:56

it than them and then telling people

43:58

who know less about it right that

44:00

there's something about that process that makes

44:02

you quite a bit better at understanding

44:04

what you're doing and I think that's

44:07

why I was talking to One of

44:09

my Navy SEAL friends about this yesterday

44:11

actually, it's really important that you have

44:13

a mentor and it's really important that

44:15

you, it's at the point that you

44:17

feel confident, find somebody to mentor as

44:19

well in your life. Regardless of what,

44:21

if you're in production in Hollywood or

44:23

you're a fucking baseball player or whatever

44:25

it is, it doesn't matter. Like whatever

44:27

you're in, you need to have that

44:30

process, I think it's super important. And

44:32

to that point, I want you to

44:34

explain. Because I know you're busy and

44:36

you've got to teach and do all

44:38

the scientists bullshit. You know, Mr. Vanji,

44:40

Dean. Yeah, are you funded by USAID,

44:42

Brian? Yeah, because if it is, that

44:44

funding is going to be cut, bro,

44:46

probably by the end of the show.

44:48

But can you, for the dummies out

44:51

there, like myself, can you explain what

44:53

we're seeing, UAP, as far as UFOs

44:55

and drones and all that other stuff?

44:57

We got a DM from a DM

44:59

from a... that nobody's reporting on. He

45:01

sent us images and videos and then

45:03

the drones in New Jersey and all

45:05

this other stuff. What are we actually

45:07

seeing and what's going on out there

45:09

and why isn't the government saying anything?

45:11

Trump said he would before he got

45:14

into office. Now he's in office. He

45:16

already did. He did. What did he

45:18

say? Pam Bondi said that they were

45:20

government drones. They were. Yeah. So like

45:22

I told you the whole time. Yeah,

45:24

that's what they were doing. But can

45:26

you confirm that because you're the scientist,

45:28

Pam Bondi's not? She's just kind of

45:30

hot. I mean, I'm not only a,

45:32

yeah, right. I'm not only a scientist,

45:35

but I'm also a pilot. But I'm

45:37

also a pilot. And so some of

45:39

them are just obvious. And so some

45:41

of them are just obvious. I mean,

45:43

so. But an airplane, if you look

45:45

at the front face of an airplane,

45:47

it's coming right for you, but it's

45:49

nighttime. And all you can see are

45:51

four or five red lights on the

45:53

bottom. It's going to look like four

45:55

different headlights. Yeah. Oh, I get it.

45:58

But I mean, why not tell everybody

46:00

this? Because Biden was asleep. I understand

46:02

that, but then you have these Senate

46:04

hearings where, you know, they're talking about

46:06

liquid, fucking animals or aliens that they've

46:08

scooped up in other countries. And what

46:10

do you know? I mean, you notice,

46:12

like, one thing. Again, I don't have

46:14

any special knowledge about the drone situation,

46:16

but I do remember one thing, which

46:18

is that it wasn't one single flight

46:21

into, say, Newark, New Jersey, where most

46:23

of the activity was. There wasn't one

46:25

single fight that was canceled. Or delayed.

46:27

Or delayed, yeah. Not because of that,

46:29

anyways. Right, exactly. So there's the only

46:31

way that can happen is if the

46:33

FAA knows about it. There are things

46:35

called temporary flight restrictions and they can

46:37

put, you know, basically they can lock

46:39

down any airspace that they want and

46:42

they can actually push these things off

46:44

the coast and move them away. And

46:46

most of the... you know, the confirmed

46:48

or the claim to be confirmed, you

46:50

know, sightings of you APs, tick tax

46:52

or whatever, I talked to this guy

46:54

Ryan Graves a year or so ago,

46:56

with one of his... Yeah, I know

46:58

Ryan Graves, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so I

47:00

actually had on his, you know, one

47:02

of the, one of his buddies from

47:05

the same squadron who's a friend of

47:07

mine who lives here in San Diego,

47:09

Ariel Kleinerman. who is also a you

47:11

know has a you know undergraduate degree

47:13

in physics from Princeton and they were

47:15

talking about you know how these things

47:17

they only they only seem to occur

47:19

in what are called military restricted zones

47:21

warning zones so you see those on

47:23

aeronautical charts you can buy these charts

47:26

from the you know from a pilot

47:28

store for you know five bucks it'll

47:30

show you exactly where these things are

47:32

all spotted now that doesn't prove or

47:34

disprove anything but but the fact that

47:36

you know these things didn't seem to

47:38

impact a commercial aviation they're spotted primarily

47:40

around military installation I believe that there's

47:42

probably tons of shit like Dan they

47:44

probably like I mean I'm my brother-in-law

47:46

is a is a recall you know

47:49

He told me he was waterboarded something

47:51

like 17 times. And he said like,

47:53

and he's a big freaking tough guy,

47:55

you guys would get along great, shout

47:57

out to Jim. But the point is,

47:59

like, he didn't, like, he would say

48:01

things like, they do stuff, like, he

48:03

would say things like, they do stuff

48:05

to us all the time. And the

48:07

stuff that they do to us, we

48:10

don't tell you civilians about, because you're

48:12

gonna start complaining, because you acted the

48:14

way that you would, but like. He

48:16

freaking, you know, he was like, I

48:18

don't get off on it, but he

48:20

was like, this is part of like,

48:22

what defines my identity. And like, no,

48:24

I wouldn't, I didn't consider a torture.

48:26

I don't know how you feel Dan,

48:28

but, but the point is they did,

48:30

they do shit to you guys. They

48:33

test stuff all the time. They do

48:35

stuff to, to test how loyal you

48:37

are Dan all the time, and I

48:39

wouldn't put any of the shit past

48:41

the greatest. in the human imagination, bringing

48:43

new laws of physics, and then magically

48:45

get cited by Uncle Tony with his,

48:47

you know, DGI drone, and we're supposed

48:49

to all of a sudden say we

48:51

demand, you know, that Trump released the

48:53

alien files. This is what I've said

48:56

for years, that any civilization capable of

48:58

making it here in the first place

49:00

would, without any doubt, be capable of

49:02

being here without us knowing it. Or

49:04

they wouldn't have bodies. Or they wouldn't

49:06

have bodies. Even to get a drone

49:08

here, even to get a drone here,

49:10

the technology would have to be so

49:12

advanced that something like stealth wouldn't even

49:14

be a problem. Right, and it isn't.

49:17

And according to the testimony on the

49:19

Hill a couple months ago, which I'm

49:21

sure you saw, we all saw. They're

49:23

saying they're going past what mock 10

49:25

mock 14 yeah well well beyond I

49:27

think I think they were up in

49:29

the 2200 g range for some of

49:31

these now some of this stuff liquid

49:33

that's able to shape shift yeah some

49:35

of some of the some of the

49:37

some of the speeds they where we're

49:40

due to parallaxics and stuff like that,

49:42

it wasn't real, right? So they think,

49:44

like, parallaxes is, if my camera's moving

49:46

this way and the object is moving

49:48

this way, there's an exponential effect on

49:50

my ability to measure its speed. It's

49:52

not real, right? That's you, most of

49:54

those UFO videos, it's parallaxes, all of

49:56

them, actually. The ones that are moving

49:58

super fast, it's always parallax. Well, why

50:01

were they're saying on the hill, Brian.

50:03

Well, what is who is who is

50:05

we by the way? I mean, you

50:07

got talking about like Lou Elizondo or

50:09

guys like David Rush. I mean, these

50:11

guys, I mean, in terms of like

50:13

credibility, you know, they're not like necessarily

50:15

free. I mean, I love this fact

50:17

in that people always say things like

50:19

the government lies to us all the

50:21

time. So let's let's listen to the

50:24

guys that are paid for by the

50:26

government. Like, I mean, you were a

50:28

government employee just as much as I

50:30

was. about it. I'm like, she doesn't

50:32

know anything about this stuff. She's like,

50:34

oh, he was on Smartless podcast. I'm

50:36

like, these guys, there's a huge incentive,

50:38

right? And, or another one is, you

50:40

know, these guys have been, like, probed,

50:42

and these guys saw alien biological, you

50:45

know, samples, and they never say exactly

50:47

what it is. But my favorite is

50:49

when they actually say that this thing

50:51

is defying the laws of physics. and

50:53

they have you know probably not as

50:55

good a comprehension of physics as Dan

50:57

does you know let alone as I

50:59

do and and so why are we

51:01

listening to them about physics like I

51:03

don't listen to me about being a

51:05

military F-18 pilot because I'm not right

51:08

I believe you should listen to people

51:10

like that but but that doesn't mean

51:12

that they're never wrong and it doesn't

51:14

mean that we should listen to them

51:16

about the effects of physics that's called

51:18

authority bias and that's called like the

51:20

the halo effect just because Dan was

51:22

you know in the military doesn't mean

51:24

he knows everything about what every branch

51:26

of the military is ever done in

51:28

its entire history and so I would

51:31

say there's a huge incentive for people

51:33

to have their own narratives and none

51:35

of the people I've talked to a

51:37

seem to be as credible I've read

51:39

Lou's book they sent it to me

51:41

supposed to come on my podcast never

51:43

did I don't know why so as

51:45

he is as loo full of shit

51:47

some of there's some there's some glaring

51:49

errors in his book there's a lot

51:52

of inaccuracies there's testimonial things that he

51:54

said that he was ahead of this

51:56

thing and that thing there's a guy

51:58

Stephen Green Street on on Twitter is

52:00

really good at kind of debunking a

52:02

lot of the claims that Lewis made

52:04

and there's as I said there's errors

52:06

in his book just basic physics errors

52:08

That would love to talk to him.

52:10

I would give him a fair hearing.

52:12

I'm not going to like throw him

52:15

under the bus, but for some reason

52:17

his people or him decided not to

52:19

come on after agreeing to send me

52:21

the material and come on. And then

52:23

last thing I'll say is I've had

52:25

on people from the government, Stephen Kirkpatrick,

52:27

and people from NASA, that led these

52:29

programs to actually come to an example,

52:31

to come to a conclusion. Because guys.

52:33

Don't you think that me or Michio

52:36

Kaku or you know, we'd be the

52:38

most interested to know about this physics

52:40

and technology that must have existed, you

52:42

know, in a couple centuries ago in

52:44

these alien civilizations for them to get

52:46

here now. That means we could shortcut

52:48

500 years of progress on the human

52:50

of the human species. We want this

52:52

to be true more than anybody, but

52:54

that's why you have to be very

52:56

skeptical as well. Okay, because Michael Schellenberger

52:59

also posted 214 pages of testimony as

53:01

well in that that subcommittee hearing Shellenberger

53:03

is a pretty sensible dude. I think

53:05

he was just reporting on what he

53:07

saw. He was. Yeah, he's a sensible

53:09

dude and there's um we have That

53:11

we have a UAP recovery team that

53:13

is part of our government, right? I

53:15

know that for a fact That's a

53:17

thing the way we found it out

53:19

was through Injury reports people filing workers

53:22

compensation claims and disability claims listing their

53:24

position as UAP recovery. So that's a

53:26

thing. It doesn't mean it's alien though,

53:28

right? So like if we're testing out

53:30

some new propulsion tech that's maybe radiological

53:32

or something and then you go fucking

53:34

you're part of that recovery team and

53:36

you touch exposed radiology. material will guess

53:38

what bud you're gonna fucking die yeah

53:40

that's how it works you know what

53:43

I mean it's a dangerous job it

53:45

doesn't mean that it's alien necessarily now

53:47

maybe we find some alien shit at

53:49

some point but the burden of proof

53:51

is going to be on the people

53:53

making that claim not everybody else which

53:55

is how they like to frame the

53:57

argument it's like well what do you

53:59

mean How do you explain? It's like,

54:01

I don't know, but you're making, you're

54:03

coming to an explanation that solved, does

54:06

not solve the problem at all. There's

54:08

no data for your, and for your

54:10

conclusion. Right, I mean, I had a

54:12

podcast, this woman, Amber Rose, black lady,

54:14

was like, I think she gated Kanye,

54:16

and sure did, I know who Amber

54:18

Rose is, okay? Yeah, so she, she

54:20

had me on, and she was saying,

54:22

I had on this Air Force guy,

54:24

and he claims, you know, he claims,

54:27

you know, you know, you know, he

54:29

was, he was, he was, he was,

54:31

he was, he was, he was, he

54:33

was, he was, he was, he was,

54:35

he was, he was, he was, he

54:37

was, he was, he was, he was,

54:39

he was, he was, he was, he

54:41

was, he was, he was, he was,

54:43

he was, he was, he was, he

54:45

was, he was, he was There are

54:47

other possibilities, like, this guy was an

54:50

ex-alcoholic or whatever, and maybe his buddies

54:52

were pranking him, and maybe his buddies

54:54

are into some strange crap, and they

54:56

did it, right? And I was like,

54:58

which is more likely, interdimensional beings, you

55:00

know, need some sample from some guy

55:02

in the 1970s, and then did this

55:04

to him, and he just remembered it

55:06

now in 2024 or 2005, or his

55:08

buddies got him... totally plastered and did

55:11

some stuff to, I'm not even saying

55:13

that. To his butt hole, yeah, to

55:15

his butt hole. Rectily, when Amber Rose

55:17

is on, did she list her position

55:19

as reverse cow girl? Like what was

55:21

her position? Because let's face it, she's

55:23

a fucking only fans model, so what

55:25

are we doing here as far as

55:27

like, oh, I'm gonna listen to her

55:29

on her thoughts on fucking space and

55:31

aliens. I just, yeah, I was on

55:34

her show. She wrote me and then

55:36

she was like, oh, I just had

55:38

a Neil Grass Tyson. So I let

55:40

Neil do the vetting for me. I

55:42

get it, Brian. Are you single? You're

55:44

married. I'm married. Oh boy. I know,

55:46

I know. But when you're on a

55:48

show like that and you look at

55:50

those naturals, you're like, ah, those are,

55:52

those are natural in the same way

55:54

that I'm black. Have you seen her

55:57

nude? should be invested. I know, because

55:59

by the way, if the aliens did

56:01

land and they all look like Amber

56:03

Rose, my God, we'd be in trouble.

56:05

Bravo. Bravo. Yes, come on in the

56:07

house. Come on in the house. Come

56:09

on in the house. Come on in

56:11

the house. I wouldn't let the dirty

56:13

Guatemalan's in, but I let the Amber

56:15

Rose is from outer space and what?

56:18

Brian, it's immigration. Okay, we're doing stuff

56:20

about it, we're gonna fix it. I

56:22

know you've got to go do important

56:24

stuff around the world. Tell everybody your

56:26

podcast and where they can find you.

56:28

We always love having you on the

56:30

show. And your show is awesome. Like

56:32

I mentioned earlier, I love the way

56:34

you explain everything at a normal level

56:36

for everybody. So you don't have to

56:38

be in a physics or be, you

56:41

know, some guy whose IQ is off

56:43

the charts. You can watch your show

56:45

and enjoy it and kind of get

56:47

the gist of everything that's going on

56:49

in the world. Yeah, I love talking

56:51

about science and sharing the love of

56:53

it. As I said, I think it's

56:55

my moral obligation as a citizen and

56:57

whatever. To do that for people out

56:59

there. So yeah, briankeeting.com is my website.

57:02

I send out meteorites. Lucky people once

57:04

about that. Dan, did you get my

57:06

meteorite? I did, yes, thank you. I

57:08

got two, actually. Oh, where's mine, Brian?

57:10

I didn't get a meteorite? It's

57:12

coming. Just look up tonight. Look up

57:15

tonight. You'll see it. It's coming right

57:17

for you. Okay, cool. You're gonna drop

57:19

that down out of the sky for

57:21

you? You sent him to and I

57:23

got nothing? Mark 12 coming towards you.

57:25

God damn it Brian. You're lucky today

57:27

that I didn't go harder on that

57:29

immigration joke. Look, in all sincerity, I

57:31

love you. We had John quite a

57:34

number of years ago. Yeah. To see

57:36

your success and everything that's happened and

57:38

everything that's happened. So thank you for

57:40

being here. We greatly appreciate it. Hopefully

57:42

we didn't fuck up your day Okay,

57:44

I was looking forward to it all

57:46

day. Have a great weekend. I hope

57:48

you enjoy the Super Bowl and yeah,

57:50

just have a blast guys I love

57:53

following your stuff too. It's really fun

57:55

to watch you on all the all

57:57

the Instagrams and all the internet tubes.

57:59

Yeah, thanks buddy. We We

58:01

appreciate it. Take care,

58:03

you.