This is one of the last podcasts recorded with Heather before we went on a very long break. We're working on providing a better experience with every episode talking about the things you want to hear about. This episode is very dated and comes to you pre-COVID.

Due to some personal issues that I am not ready to talk about, we are postponing this week's recording with Madi in favor of this older episode that never was released. Please enjoy the Chaos of the old ways.

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