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2:31

Hello. Garrison has just said some

2:33

words about something that's happening on

2:35

social media that I don't understand.

2:37

And it's made me feel very

2:40

old. This was happening today in

2:42

my world. It's very sad. We're

2:44

gathered here today to talk about

2:46

the earthquake in Myanmar, right? I

2:48

think most of you will probably

2:50

have been made aware of the

2:52

earthquake of the earthquake. It's somewhat

2:54

odd that corporate media has really

2:57

not reported on the revolution in

2:59

any substantial way since 2021, but

3:01

the earthquake apparently justified a lot

3:03

of networks sending people to Myanmar

3:05

for the first time. Very musingly,

3:07

people DMing me on Blue Sky

3:09

and Twitter asking how to get

3:11

a visa from the Burmese hunter,

3:13

which is not a thing I

3:16

have ever done. The last communication

3:18

I had with them came in

3:20

the form of a car bomb

3:22

that they set off near to

3:24

a place where we were. If

3:26

you're not aware, the earthquake happened

3:28

on the 28th of March this

3:30

year, just before one in the

3:33

afternoon. It was the biggest earthquake

3:35

in Myanmar since 1912, and it

3:37

registered 7.7 on the Richter scale,

3:39

which is huge. Because it's very

3:41

hard for foreign journalists to get

3:43

a visa to enter Myanmar, and

3:45

the initial reporting focused on Bangkok

3:47

and the damage done in Thailand.

3:49

But the epicetto was in Sogang,

3:52

which is near Mandelay, Mandelay's second

3:54

biggest city in Myanmar. And that

3:56

was where like the worst of

3:58

the destruction happened. Almost every street.

4:00

in Mandelay has collapsed buildings. It's

4:02

a little difficult for us to get

4:04

a sense of the exact scale

4:07

of the damage because the hunter

4:09

refuses to allow. Some media has

4:11

been allowed in, the BBC, I

4:13

saw, like, sneaked somebody in. It's

4:15

very difficult for media to move

4:18

and report freely. In addition to

4:20

this, the hunter has continued its

4:22

practice of cutting off internet. for

4:24

people in Myanmar, right? Even during

4:26

like emergency situations? Yes, yeah, especially

4:28

during emergency. They've kind of like,

4:31

as a response to this, because

4:33

I guess they perceive it to be

4:35

something that makes them look weak. This

4:37

is a tendency that the

4:39

hunter has displayed before. So

4:42

in 2008, Cyclone Nagas affected

4:44

Myanmar and killed over 130,000

4:46

people, and they blocked international

4:48

aid. they said that people didn't

4:50

need the quote chocolate bars that

4:53

the US and other countries

4:55

were trying to deliver and

4:57

that they could exist by

4:59

like hunting frogs in ditches

5:02

was their suggestion. I don't think

5:04

people realize like how far

5:06

down the North Korea scale

5:08

that the Burmese hunter is

5:10

but like they're very worried

5:13

that any interaction with the

5:15

outside world specifically with

5:17

like I guess Western neoliberal

5:20

powers will be damaging for

5:22

their like ability to control

5:24

the population. So for that reason,

5:26

we don't know how many people have

5:28

died, right? From what I've heard on

5:30

the ground, the death toll is substantially

5:32

higher than the 3,600 number

5:35

being reported. The US Geological

5:37

Survey estimated that an earthquake

5:39

of that magnitude in that

5:41

region would kill between 10,000

5:43

and 100,000 people. Obviously that's

5:45

quite a big kind of delta there.

5:48

What I can tell you is that

5:50

I've heard firsthand that there are

5:52

some parts of mandolin sagang where

5:54

the stench of rotting bodies is

5:56

so powerful that people have stopped

5:58

returning to there. homes. There have

6:01

been so many aftershocks that people

6:03

are still sleeping in the street

6:05

because they're worried about the damage

6:07

structures falling down. The UN has

6:09

an estimate that 17 million people

6:11

across 57 townships. Townships are like

6:13

the administrative districts that are used

6:16

in Myanmar, a bit affected with

6:18

over 9 million people facing severe

6:20

hardship. And of course this is

6:22

all compounded by the fact that

6:24

there were already 20 million people

6:26

in Myanmar who needed humanitarian assistance

6:28

and there are about 3.5 million

6:31

internally displaced people as a result

6:33

of the fighting that's happened after

6:35

the revolution. So like it really

6:37

came at a pretty difficult time

6:39

in a place where the government

6:41

is not willing. They said after

6:44

the earthquake they wanted international aid

6:46

but they've as we'll see later

6:48

in this script they've only accepted

6:50

it from certain countries. I spoke

6:52

to a friend who has family

6:54

in Mandalay yesterday. He told me

6:56

that the way they're assessing the

6:59

damage is using like open source

7:01

intelligence. They're trying to look in

7:03

the backgrounds of people's videos on

7:05

Facebook to like work out of

7:07

their childhood homes fell down, right?

7:09

They were using satellite imaging software

7:11

when I spoke to them yesterday

7:14

to try and ascertain if their

7:16

families were okay. They told me,

7:18

Sir Gang has very famous pagodas

7:20

and the pagodas are on a

7:22

hill. And apparently a lot of

7:24

those pagodas have fallen down and

7:26

even the hill itself is like

7:29

listing. So there's been like massive

7:31

cultural damage as well. Another way

7:33

in which the damage was compounded

7:35

by Myanmar's politics was the quakes

7:37

struck like I said at 1

7:39

p.m. on a Friday, right, which

7:41

is Friday prayers. This happened during

7:44

Ramadan, especially the day before it'll

7:46

fitter, which is a very busy

7:48

day for mosques if you're not

7:50

aware, right. successive governments of Myanmar

7:52

since the 1960s have refused to

7:54

allow even basic maintenance for mosques.

7:56

That means that these buildings were

7:59

in great states of disrepair, right?

8:01

Myanmar, there is an ultra-nationalist Buddhist

8:03

movement which has been embraced to

8:05

a great degree by the hunter

8:07

but also limited even like the

8:09

National League for Democracy which was

8:11

the relatively neoliberal aligned party that

8:14

had previously been in power in

8:16

Myanmar or somewhat in power I

8:19

suppose. Ultranationalist Buddhist monks like Ashin

8:21

Wurathu and his 969 movement have

8:23

kind of condemned anything that they

8:26

did as making the pro-Muslim and

8:28

they have this Essentially, they have

8:31

a great replacement theory, right, that

8:33

Muslims are trying to come in

8:35

through Bangladesh to replace Buddhist in

8:38

Myanmar. Yeah, lots of people

8:40

here have this, like, very

8:42

orientalist perspective of, like,

8:45

Buddhism, TM, as this, like, you

8:47

know, like, like, like, like, like, like,

8:49

like, like, blah, blah, blah, blah,

8:51

blah. And, like, Buddhism, like,

8:53

every religion has a variety

8:55

of sex. Yes. Yeah, I mean, as vicious

8:57

as any other. People, I'm sure, will be

9:00

familiar with their Hindu genocide. Like, there

9:02

are a lot of monks that supported

9:04

that, including Wurathu is the most notable

9:06

one, but there are plenty more, right?

9:08

And they're part of this. I mean,

9:10

he's literally explicitly expressed, like, how much

9:13

he looks up to the English Defense

9:15

League. Jesus. Yeah, like, these are people

9:17

who, like, like, they are part of

9:19

this, this global, this global, this global,

9:21

this global, movement. People's orientalism I

9:23

think sometimes stops him seeing

9:26

that or appreciating that it

9:28

extends outside of like white

9:30

global North countries. One thing that

9:32

I did think that really touched me

9:34

in the days after the earthquake was

9:37

young Buddhist Bama people of the majority

9:39

ethnicity reaching out to me and

9:41

being like hey man this happened in

9:43

Friday prayer through Ramadan and

9:45

it is devastated Muslim population

9:48

like thousands of people. hundreds of mosques

9:50

have gone and thousands of people are trapped

9:52

in a rubble and like no one's talking

9:54

about it wise no we're talking about it

9:57

this is terrible and like it would have

9:59

been inconceivable to here young Bama, but

10:01

is people so concerned with the well-being

10:03

of like their Muslim countrymen before the

10:05

coup in 2021. This was a country

10:08

that had been manufacturing consent for genocide

10:10

against its Muslim minorities for four or

10:12

five years by that point, right? Yes.

10:14

Specifically on Facebook, there's a behind the

10:17

bathtub episode on this. You can also

10:19

listen, if you're new to the show,

10:21

Robert and I have made two scripted

10:23

series about the revolution in Myanmar, which

10:25

will include in the show notes. But

10:28

like that change to a real genuine

10:30

solidarity and care between these two groups

10:32

was really touching in the moments after

10:34

the earthquake and the days after the

10:37

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10:39

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10:43

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10:46

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revolution hasn't stopped because of the

14:12

earthquake, right? The conflict is still

14:15

ongoing and the PDFs and their

14:17

allied ethnic distance organizations are still

14:19

fighting against a hunter. In fact,

14:21

within an hour of the earthquake,

14:23

the hunter began using paramotors to

14:25

drop bombs on Hangu Village in

14:27

Sudan. And this has been a

14:29

thing that they've started to do

14:31

recently. In a sense, I guess

14:34

it's a good sign because it

14:36

shows that maybe like their jets

14:38

and other aircraft are in a

14:40

poor state of repair or that

14:42

they're struggling to keep enough of

14:44

them airborne. Initially, I wondered if

14:46

they were using the paramotors because

14:48

their runways had been damaged, but

14:51

that doesn't seem to be the

14:53

case. They've been air striking just

14:55

as much as they ever did,

14:57

which is unfortunate. Satellite images or

14:59

reports for myself on the ground

15:01

suggest that... they're able to continue

15:03

carrying out bombing rates at a

15:05

pretty similar rate from when they

15:07

did before. Despite this, the National

15:10

Unity Government, which is kind of

15:12

the shadow government composed mostly of

15:14

people who were elected and then

15:16

deposed by the coup in 2021,

15:18

and the PDF who in theory

15:20

are commanded by the National Unity

15:22

Government called a two-week ceasefire right

15:24

after the earthquake to allow for

15:27

like a humanitarian pause. The three

15:29

Brotherhood Alliance, which is an alliance

15:31

of the three most powerful ethnic

15:33

resistance organizations in Myanmar, also called

15:35

what they called a humanitarian pause

15:37

for a month. In both cases,

15:39

they said they wouldn't undertake offensive

15:41

operations, but they would defend themselves,

15:43

right? Because I think they had

15:46

a sense that the hunter wasn't

15:48

going to stop attacking them. The

15:50

hunter did declare its own ceasefire

15:52

on April 3, and the Kachina

15:54

independence army, which is another ethnic

15:56

resistance organization, followed shortly thereafter. Notably,

15:58

that's ceasefire from the hunter came

16:00

the day after its troops fired

16:03

on a Chinese Red Cross convoy,

16:05

which is not a great look for them. No,

16:07

never love to see that. Yeah, we don't

16:09

love to see people firing on the

16:11

Red Cross. This is especially bad for

16:13

the hunter because China has been growing

16:15

closer and closer to the hunter and

16:17

supporting it. China's had this weird back-and-forth

16:20

relationship with the revolution. At times

16:22

it supported the revolution, it seems

16:24

like, possibly supporting Birmingham, my National

16:26

Democratic Alliance Army, which is a

16:28

group that broke off the Communist

16:30

Party of Burma in the 1980s.

16:32

Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. There's

16:34

also the United War State Army,

16:36

which isn't part of the revolution,

16:38

which has the strongest relationship with

16:40

the PRC, and they're just chilling.

16:42

They haven't really entered the conflict.

16:44

It's called straight chillin. By the

16:46

way, James. Straight-chilling. Yeah, there you

16:48

go. That's how you say it.

16:50

I've, yeah, I've marked myself

16:52

yet again. Straight-chilling, the United

16:55

States Army. Thank you, Garrison.

16:57

Actually, it spoke to some

16:59

cadres from the Burmese Communist

17:01

Party recently. The Communist Party

17:03

of Burma re-entered after 2021.

17:05

And like, they're not focusing

17:08

on like... proselytizing the Maoist

17:10

gospel to people. They're focusing

17:12

on like fighting the hunter

17:14

and like developing alliances. And

17:16

it's kind of, it's interesting to see where

17:18

that will go given, yeah, Marcus Leninism

17:20

is definitely not the majority ideology. The

17:23

revolution, most people are committed to some

17:25

form of federal democracy, which when you

17:27

speak to different fighters varies from like

17:30

we want what you guys have in

17:32

the US to something more akin to

17:34

the democratic confederal that people might be

17:37

familiar with in Rashaba. China is

17:39

competing with Russia in Myanmar. So

17:41

both of them are interested in

17:43

supporting the hunter, right? Like,

17:45

and obviously both their ideologies

17:48

are far from the liberatory,

17:50

that they're interested in propping

17:52

up a totalitarian state. So we

17:54

have seen both Russia and China

17:56

send support to the hunter, send

17:58

like rescue teams after. the earthquake.

18:00

Meanwhile, the US offered $2 million, which

18:02

I was kind of surprised they offered

18:05

anything. That is low-key surprising, considering Mark

18:07

Rubio. Right, yeah. Well, I think Rubio

18:09

is more of a like a slightly,

18:12

Rubio is a Neocon. Yeah, I guess,

18:14

like, it makes sense, Mark Rubio, like

18:16

five years ago. Yeah. It doesn't make

18:19

sense, like, post, like, you said being

18:21

gutted. They're like, oh, you're still doing

18:23

that kind of stuff, huh? Yeah, there's

18:26

like a weird, like, a mix of

18:28

things, because yes, like, a traditional NeoCon

18:30

style Rubio, this tracks, but all of

18:33

the movements that the Trump administration's been

18:35

doing more recently, this seems like, oh.

18:37

some kind of DEI shenanigans if you're

18:40

asking. Yeah, actually they added another 7

18:42

million later. 9 million. Which is, yeah,

18:44

it's not a lot of money compared

18:47

to what we would normally expect and

18:49

at the same time they did it.

18:51

Three USAID workers, at least three I

18:54

should say, three that I'm aware of,

18:56

were laid off like literally they received

18:58

emails telling them that they no longer

19:01

had a job while they were on

19:03

the ground assisting earthquake survivors. department of

19:05

government efficiency strikes again highly efficient will

19:07

send you the money and then also

19:10

pull out our own people who I

19:12

guess supervising how the money is spent

19:14

or would be it definitely shows so

19:17

like a strategic shift in the region

19:19

China Russia China obviously is interested in

19:21

Myanmar because of its rare earth metals

19:24

because of jade China has traditionally had

19:26

a lot of jade trade with Myanmar

19:28

and then because it controls a large

19:31

amount of sea front, right? Which China

19:33

wouldn't want to fall into like why

19:35

it would see as like someone with

19:38

adversarial interest. Russia is still interested in

19:40

just kind of projecting itself as a

19:42

global power even as it continues to

19:45

shrink every day in terms of its

19:47

global ability to project power. But there

19:49

definitely are both Chinese and Russian assistance

19:52

helping the Myanmar hunter now. Meanwhile, the

19:54

US doesn't seem to give a shit

19:56

what happened. here now.

19:59

Like this is kind

20:01

of, not that the

20:03

Biden administration was doing very much either,

20:05

but at least we had USAID and

20:07

like USIP was very invested in Myanmar and

20:09

actually did a really good job of

20:11

kind of almost like being the foreign

20:13

affairs, not branch, but like they explained the

20:15

revolution to the world. Like whenever a

20:18

journalist wanted to understand the revolution in Myanmar

20:20

was USIP, they went to, obviously

20:22

all the countries that have a USIP have now

20:24

been doged, which is a shame. So

20:27

despite the ceasefire,

20:29

right, and I said they fired

20:31

on these Chinese troops, the Hunter

20:33

has in fact not stopped bombing

20:35

earthquakes, drug areas since the

20:38

earthquake. Madeleine PDF, who I'm in contact

20:40

with, they're the revolutionary forces in the

20:42

area that was most affected by the

20:44

earthquake on April 7th, told me that

20:46

they're aware of 10 air strikes in

20:48

their area of operations. Since

20:50

the earthquake, three months old baby and

20:52

a 10 year old child were

20:54

killed in an air raid on Naikav

20:56

village in Papuntownship, that was

20:58

in Karen state. On April 10th,

21:00

they bombed a school and something

21:02

that the hunter likes to do a lot

21:04

that they dropped to 500 pound bombs

21:07

on a food court. They then circled back

21:09

and dropped another bomb on the people

21:11

responding to and giving aid to the people

21:13

they'd initially bombed in the food court

21:15

by food court here. Just to clarify, I'm

21:17

not talking about like at the shopping

21:19

mall, I'm talking about like a market where

21:21

people can buy like prepared food, right? They've

21:24

killed the best I can

21:26

collate from various sources, at least

21:28

72 people and injured about

21:31

100 people in addition to thousands

21:33

who died after the earthquake. There

21:36

are also reports that Hunter

21:38

quote unquote recruiters here are

21:40

engaging in forced conscription in

21:43

the disaster zone. I read

21:45

of at least one person who

21:47

was on a search and rescue team

21:49

that they were a trained search and

21:51

rescue volunteer, right? So they were moving

21:53

rubble to rescue people and they were

21:55

forcibly conscripted while they were doing

21:57

that. Obviously, that's had a chilling effect

21:59

on people. going out to help others, right? What

22:01

the hunter is not doing is

22:03

rescuing its citizens. The military

22:06

is detested in most of Myanmar,

22:08

even in the areas that it

22:10

controls, and it's failure to even

22:12

try and track. People rescued on

22:14

the rubber won't help this. There

22:16

was a video that went viral

22:18

recently of hunter troops, literally a

22:20

line of soldiers, rescuing bricks. They've

22:22

gone to a collapsed building and they're

22:24

inspecting the bricks to see if the

22:26

bricks are whole and then passing them

22:28

down the line and stacking them up.

22:30

Don't worry, the bricks are safe. Yeah, the bricks

22:33

are safe. The people are not. It

22:35

was genuinely infuriating to see it. I

22:37

can't imagine for people who have lost

22:39

family members how it must feel. Even

22:42

rescue workers, like I said,

22:44

have been forcibly conscripted. Equality

22:46

Myanmar has noted more than 100

22:48

cases of forced conscription since the

22:51

earthquake. So that's, Myanmar has a conscription

22:53

rule, right, a law, so anyone, men,

22:55

and now women between certain ages, can

22:57

be forcibly conscripted into the hunter's army.

22:59

So they're just finding people displaced from

23:01

the earthquake and forcing them? Yeah, it's

23:03

people who have been hiding in their

23:05

homes, right, who now don't have homes

23:07

to hide it. Yeah. Or people who

23:09

came out in order to save their neighbors.

23:11

And now they're forcing them to be, to

23:13

fight for them. Just as the hunter

23:15

did with cyclone Nargis, they've also

23:17

delayed and in cases blocked aid.

23:20

A team came from France to

23:22

assist in a search and rescue. They

23:24

spent 24 hours sitting in an airport

23:26

waiting for their visa to be approved.

23:28

And then they spent one day working

23:30

in search and rescue efforts before being

23:33

told that search and rescue efforts had

23:35

now finished and they were to go

23:37

home. They traveled around the entire

23:39

world didn't save a single life.

23:41

abundance. It's great. Presumably because the

23:43

hunter wanted to placate China, a

23:46

Taiwanese team was straight up refused

23:48

entry into Myanmar, Taiwan had a

23:50

search and rescue team that they were

23:52

willing to say send who could have saved

23:54

people lives and that they weren't allowed to

23:56

enter. All tourist visas have been suspended

23:58

so it's not like... the hunter is

24:00

overwhelmed with these applications, but they're not

24:03

allowing search and rescue teams to enter

24:05

from countries. I guess they're not politically

24:07

aligned with. This kind of horrific indifference

24:09

to human suffering has characterized a top

24:12

of it all for decades, and it's

24:14

really unlikely to change as it grows

24:16

even more desperate and it grows even

24:18

more desperate and it loses even more

24:21

territory. It's just going to clamp down

24:23

harder and harder on its people. Be

24:25

one in the liberated areas, aid is

24:27

being mobilized using the mutual aid structures

24:30

which have existed for decades in the

24:32

absenceance of the state. It's significant in

24:34

growing parts of Myanmar. People are relying

24:37

on each other instead of the government

24:39

for aid. And that has its benefits,

24:41

right? Like people have been out rescuing

24:43

people from the rubble, but they're also

24:46

desperately short of resources. I spoke to

24:48

Mandelay PDF Rescue Team at the first

24:50

week of April, and they literally sent

24:52

me, they have a notebook. of a

24:55

list of like we've run out of

24:57

gauze, we've run out of torna case,

24:59

we've run out of adhesive dressings, we've

25:01

run out of elastic bandages, right? They're

25:04

like, they're literal nuts and bolts of

25:06

saving people's lives they run out of.

25:08

We did a fundraising campaign for them

25:10

through behind the bastards, we raised nearly

25:13

$2,000 which is great, so they're restocking

25:15

their supplies which they need to save

25:17

lives. The military has also blocked aid

25:20

and medicine from entering their areas, right?

25:22

So the military controls a lot of

25:24

roadblocks and it uses control of those

25:26

roadblocks to stop aid and medicine. Often

25:29

it's kind of hoarding it in the

25:31

capital city, which is Napidore. If people

25:33

aren't familiar, Napidore is a city that

25:35

they've couldn't have built for itself to

25:38

govern from. It means seat of kings.

25:40

Also in Napidore right now is the

25:42

US aid agency Samaritans Perce. I don't

25:44

think so. It sounds vaguely familiar, but

25:47

all of these humanitarian organizations all have

25:49

like the same like four words that

25:51

they shuffle around in different ways. So

25:54

yeah, yeah, yeah. Samaritan's purse, perhaps most

25:56

famous for being run by Franklin Graham.

25:58

Okay, yes, yes. They do know what

26:00

this is and who this is, yes.

26:03

Yeah, having all their volunteers sign like

26:05

a statement of faith and being extremely

26:07

homophobic. For some reason, Samaritan's

26:09

purse is establishing a field hospital in

26:12

Napidore right now. They're going to force

26:14

people to convert to evangelical Christianity before

26:16

they give services, like they do in

26:18

some cases. Yeah, or just leave them.

26:21

Like they did in Afghanistan, if they're

26:23

not Christian. I cannot work out for

26:25

the life of me, what the fuck

26:28

they're doing. The hunter has made

26:30

a consistent policy of bombing Christians

26:32

in Myanmar, right? In Corinne state,

26:34

there are a lot of Christian

26:37

people. On Christmas Day, the hunter

26:39

bombed people going to services because

26:41

it knew that Christians would be

26:43

going to services at churches, right?

26:46

The Corinne Christians this year, I

26:48

saw, celebrated Christmas in caves because

26:50

they were so afraid of being bombed,

26:52

right? Like, I have no idea what

26:54

logical leap you have to make. Yeah,

26:56

it's and they're like they're not even

26:58

at the Inca gang. The only people,

27:00

the only international aid I'm aware of

27:02

that was able to make it to

27:05

the gang was a Malaysian team who were

27:07

able to save some lives. Unfortunately, there

27:09

were really strong rains this week and

27:11

that made all the collapse structures

27:13

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27:16

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30:09

the military has still been

30:11

taking massive losses. The all

30:14

Burma students democratic front captured

30:16

remaining hunter positions in indoor.

30:19

They all both students democratic

30:21

front are a group that's

30:23

been around since 1988 right

30:26

and they have... armed up

30:28

and re-entered the revolution since 2021.

30:30

One of the things that they

30:33

captured on Monday was a underground

30:35

Japanese field hospital from World War

30:37

II, which I guess had been like

30:39

an entrenched position. I guess they're not

30:41

covered technically by the ceasefire, but

30:44

there was a unit under the

30:46

National Unity Government's command that

30:48

operated with them. And from

30:50

what I understand, this began as

30:52

a defensive action. They surrounded the hunter.

30:54

I think it's called Japan Cave Hill.

30:56

They surrounded them on Japan Cave Hill

30:58

for a long time and then the hunter

31:01

obviously seeing the earthquake and everything

31:03

thereafter decided that like now was the

31:05

time for them to break out of this

31:07

encirclement. They did not break out. They took

31:10

a fat L and as a result they've

31:12

all been captured now. Meanwhile in Finland, if

31:14

people haven't listened to the episode

31:16

I did a couple of weeks

31:18

ago with Azad from the anti-fashioned

31:20

internationalist front, which just going back

31:22

and listening to understand Finland. But

31:24

the AIF and a lot of

31:26

their Allied forces from the Chinla

31:28

Defense Force and the Chin Brotherhood had

31:30

a significant victory in capturing the

31:32

rest of the hunters' positions in

31:35

Falam last week. And I think

31:37

it's very much like on the

31:39

table that we will see the whole of

31:41

Chinland liberated in the next few months

31:43

or by the end of the year, which would

31:46

be great to see. So people are wondering

31:48

like what they can do to help,

31:50

right? And I think it's... a very

31:52

valid question because I saw today that

31:54

the the UN was meeting with the

31:56

hunter in Napidore and I

31:58

just have no faith. that any money that

32:01

goes to the hunter is going to

32:03

get to people who need it. Yeah, no,

32:05

absolutely not. You cannot. Yeah, like

32:08

they want them to die. That

32:10

like that I don't... No, they're

32:12

like evil. Why? Yeah, yeah. They

32:14

are literally genocide or they have

32:16

done a genocide like that has been

32:18

prosecuted International Criminal Court. Like I

32:20

have no understanding why people continue

32:22

to like international organizations continue to

32:24

funnel money to them other than

32:26

because like they have a status

32:28

quo bias, I guess. So don't

32:30

be doing that. But there are groups

32:32

who are making a really big

32:34

difference. And one of them that

32:36

I wanted to highlight and Robert

32:38

and I were very familiar with

32:40

their work from the last time

32:42

that we were overreporting is community

32:44

partners international. CPI are really cool because

32:47

they work by empowering members of

32:49

the local community to be health

32:51

volunteers as opposed to like dropping

32:53

in some some like doctors from

32:55

America, right? Or doctors from the

32:57

United Kingdom or whatever. And then

32:59

when those people leave they take their

33:01

skills with them. CPI, the thing

33:03

is to educate folks within the

33:05

community so that they can take

33:07

care of one another. And it's

33:09

sort of CPI has a matching

33:11

donations thing right now, which is

33:13

pretty cool. So like if you donate

33:15

someone else will match your donation

33:17

and that will double the amount

33:19

that you receive. Otherwise, I will

33:21

provide a list of mutual aid

33:24

funds that have been shared with

33:26

me. Most of them are like

33:28

GoFundMe's or things like that. I'll put

33:30

it all in the show description.

33:33

They've all been vetted and like I

33:35

know people are sometimes reluctant to

33:37

give to GoFundMe's and they'd rather give

33:39

to like a 501C3 or like

33:41

an organization which has a little bit

33:44

more, I guess like online presence.

33:46

In this case, you have to understand

33:48

that like a lot of orgs

33:50

just aren't operating in the liberated areas.

33:52

The two that I'm aware of

33:54

CPI and FreeBurma Rangers, right? I spoke

33:56

to Dave from FreeBurma Rangers. They're

33:58

trying to get. to as many people

34:01

as they can as well. That would

34:03

be another great place to donate. And

34:05

I would include a list of vetted

34:07

gofundmies. If you want to have a

34:09

look through those and see if any

34:11

of them kind of speaks to you more,

34:13

you can do that too. What this will

34:16

mean for the future of Myanmar, we

34:18

don't know yet, right? We have really

34:20

no sense of how many people have

34:23

died of what it's done to the

34:25

hunter's ability to control those areas.

34:27

But until the revolution has a

34:29

way... to stop planes bombing people,

34:31

we will continue to see the

34:33

same dynamic of the hunter losing

34:35

terrain on the ground, pulling back

34:38

its soldiers, and then bombing civilians

34:40

in the area. So it's lost.

34:42

That is, it's game plan, it's

34:44

continuing to get more drones from

34:46

China, it's getting aircraft,

34:49

munitions and jet fuel from China.

34:51

And until there is an embargo

34:53

on jet fuel and munitions to

34:55

the hunter, then... we will see

34:57

this same pattern continue, right? They

35:00

lose terrain, they bomb a school, they

35:02

lose terrain, they bomb a hospital. It's

35:04

the same stuff that Israel is doing,

35:06

and they, of course, previously been armed

35:09

by Israel as well, but we don't

35:11

see as much solidarity for the people

35:13

of Burma. If you want to stay

35:15

in touch with what's happening on the

35:17

ground, I think the Irawadi, I double

35:20

A, W, A, D, D, Y. There's

35:22

a really good job of doing daily

35:24

summaries right now, so I would suggest

35:26

checking out what's happening there. And of

35:29

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35:31

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