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2:02

Hi everyone and welcome to the podcast.

2:04

I was going to go for a

2:06

really Robert Evans intro there, but I

2:08

bottled it. I am a coward and

2:11

I couldn't do it. I hate all

2:13

of you. It's Margaret Kiljoy, everyone here

2:15

to spread the good news. I was

2:17

trying to Robert Evans at. Okay, yeah.

2:19

And doesn't he only hate a certain

2:21

percentage of them? Oh, right. Statistically speaking,

2:23

he likes some of you. Yeah. And

2:26

I know, because I know some nice

2:28

people that's in the Robert likes. Maybe

2:30

it's you, maybe it's not, you'll never

2:32

know. Today, we're not here to talk

2:34

about who Robert Evans likes, but we

2:36

are here to talk about what to

2:39

do if your house is going to

2:41

burn down or you have to leave

2:43

because they think it might burn down.

2:45

This is obviously a topic that is

2:47

front of mind for people in Southern

2:49

California currently, given the... massive wildfires that

2:51

have engulfed whole neighborhoods of Los Angeles.

2:54

There are fires in Ventura and Oxford

2:56

as well now. The whole of East

2:58

County San Diego is under a red

3:00

flag warning. Fire conditions continue because climate

3:02

change continues and we have decided as

3:04

a society not to do anything about

3:06

that. And so this shit is going

3:09

to be the rest of our lives.

3:11

If you're on the East Coast... or

3:13

somewhere else and you're like, oh, I'm

3:15

fine, I'm not on the west coast.

3:17

I have bad news for you, you're

3:19

not fine. Slowly, more and more, the

3:21

east coast, including the northeast, is being

3:24

seen as a fire-prone area, and we're

3:26

seeing an increase in fire out east

3:28

as well. Yeah, the United Kingdom has

3:30

wildfires now, a thing, did not exist.

3:32

Do you all even have wild over

3:34

there? Yeah, we have like land owned

3:37

by the monarch fires. We have like

3:39

parks and protected land. We don't really

3:41

have, we have commons to a. agree

3:43

but not like public land of the

3:45

US does. Like when I was a

3:47

kid we used to burn the stubble

3:49

in straw fields like that's how how

3:52

few bucks we gave about fires we

3:54

just burn it and the plat back

3:56

in and air quality I guess. That

3:58

is not a thing that people engage

4:00

in anymore. That's probably for the best.

4:02

Fire it's coming for you. It's happening

4:04

everywhere. Hooray! Yeah, lucky you. The cleansing

4:07

fire. I feel like there's a John

4:09

Betchmann poem I could go off with

4:11

here but I'll spare you. If you

4:13

are in a place where you are

4:15

very likely to have to evacuate your

4:17

home soonish for a fire, here are

4:20

some things that you may wish to

4:22

consider doing. I've harvested these from mutual

4:24

aid groups in LA and from the

4:26

Cal Fire website where they give you

4:28

advice on what to do if you're

4:30

evacuating. The first thing that you want

4:32

to do is turn off your gas.

4:35

For those of you who are familiar,

4:37

this is a flammable substance and your

4:39

gas pipe rupturing and then catching on

4:41

fire would be bad. Would be bad,

4:43

would be sad. It's pretty easy to

4:45

do this. Normally you should have a

4:47

valve near the meter. Some places will

4:50

have what's called an earthquake shut off

4:52

or an earthquake valve where you won't

4:54

need a tool. I'm not sure that

4:56

in fact I'm pretty certain those are

4:58

not mandatory even in California because I've

5:00

lived places that don't have them. Then

5:03

again there are things that are mandatory,

5:05

because I've lived places that have them.

5:07

Then again there are things that a

5:09

mandatory that landlord just aren't. I would

5:11

just suggest that you try and find

5:13

where your gas shut off is now.

5:15

It's often where the gas comes into

5:18

the property, like if there's a gas

5:20

meter. And normally you're going to need

5:22

some kind of tool to turn that.

5:24

What I've used normally is just like

5:26

an adjustable spanner, a wrench, for those

5:28

of you in the United States. The

5:30

people in California that you're talking to.

5:33

Yeah, yes, high fellow Californians. You can

5:35

turn that valve so it's parallel with

5:37

the pipe. That's kind of shut off

5:39

the gas coming into your house. Do

5:41

you mean perpendicular to the pipe? I

5:43

think parallel is shut off. Interesting. With

5:46

water you turn it off by moving

5:48

it perpendicular. I've never messed with a

5:50

gas line. I've lived weird and off-grid

5:52

instead. Yeah, let me have a look.

5:54

I'm checking now. Yeah, sorry, it wants

5:56

to be at 90 degrees to the

5:58

pipe. So it should be in line

6:01

with the pipe when you start 90

6:03

degrees to the pipe when you turn

6:05

it off. Which you can just kind

6:07

of imagine as like when it's in

6:09

line, you can imagine like, oh, that's

6:11

how the gas and water can flow

6:13

through. And then when it's in line,

6:16

you can imagine like, oh, that's how

6:18

the gas and water can flow through.

6:20

And then when it's to the gas

6:22

and water can flow through. and to

6:24

hook up your outdoor hoses to your

6:26

outdoor taps, such that they can be

6:28

used, if they need to be used.

6:31

I have seen some suggestions to turn

6:33

water off because I guess people's pipes

6:35

are bursting, which is decreasing water pressure.

6:37

And it seems like that's probably a

6:39

like city versus rural, or like city

6:41

to city kind of divide. You should

6:44

listen to your local authorities around this

6:46

kind of thing. Right. Like in the

6:48

case of California you can go to

6:50

Cal Fire, right? And there will be

6:52

evacuation advice on the Cal Fire website.

6:54

There might even be on your city

6:56

website. Some of it is useful. This

6:59

is a useful thing. If you do

7:01

need to turn off your water, it's

7:03

a useful thing. If you do need

7:05

to turn off your water. Water shutoffs

7:07

could be in a variety of places,

7:09

so it kind of depends, especially if

7:11

you're on a well, you're probably going

7:14

to the valve on. can sometimes be

7:16

at the side of your house. You

7:18

might need to give this a little

7:20

bit of W.D.40. Sometimes there's a little

7:22

plastic box as well, and the little

7:24

plastic box has a little hole, and

7:27

you kind of have to shove a

7:29

screwdriver in that hole and pop it

7:31

open. We're now talking about city water

7:33

again, right? Municipal water. Yes, yeah, that's

7:35

city water, yeah. That's where if you

7:37

have a water meter box, it could

7:39

end the shut off in there. Familiar

7:42

yourself with that stuff now, so that

7:44

you're not doing yourself with that you're

7:46

not doing that you're not doing it

7:48

in a panic, And that's kind of

7:50

where a lot of what we're talking

7:52

about today is important. It's that if

7:54

you do it now, you don't have

7:57

to dash about your house grabbing, thinking,

7:59

is this important? Do I need this?

8:01

Do I need that? Because I've evacuated

8:03

for a while, if I was living

8:05

in California a few times, I'd like

8:07

to think I have it pretty down

8:10

now, but definitely the first time I

8:12

was, you know, freshly minted, European, migrant.

8:14

It was not familiar with this stuff

8:16

and definitely just ran around grabbing things.

8:18

It turned out to be the wrong

8:20

things. It's like, cool, I've got three

8:22

bicycles here. Let me go to the

8:25

shelter. And you can get something called

8:27

a water key or a silk cock

8:29

key. And I have a thing, I

8:31

have not personally used it. I have

8:33

a thing called an eight-way key, sometimes

8:35

called four-way keys, depends on how many

8:37

little wrenches on them are on them.

8:40

And these are just cheap things that

8:42

have like basically all of the weird...

8:44

wrench style things that you would never

8:46

otherwise use like all the weird like

8:48

triangle things they can get you into

8:50

like the Boxes on a subway car

8:53

and they can turn on and off

8:55

water like I carry one in case

8:57

you know you're in the apocalypse and

8:59

you need to turn on the water

9:01

at a rest area You know that

9:03

kind of thing I've first learned about

9:05

these from squatters who would just move

9:08

into houses and then turn the water

9:10

on and they They're built in specialized

9:12

ways to try and prevent squatters from

9:14

doing exactly what I'm describing. Yeah, so

9:16

you couldn't use your standard socket set

9:18

or what happens. So that's where you

9:20

need these specialized keys. Yeah, and they're

9:23

not very expensive. They're also not very

9:25

high quality. This isn't the kind of

9:27

thing you're going to want to use

9:29

over and over again. They're usually cast

9:31

and they break. Yeah, it's like pot

9:33

metal. Yeah, exactly. But they're all right.

9:35

As far as I can tell. Yeah.

9:38

and then you're hopefully not going to

9:40

need to use them very much. Other

9:42

things that you should turn on or

9:44

off, turn off your air conditioning, no

9:46

one's in the house anyway, don't need

9:48

it, I would consider leaving your exterior

9:51

lights on. This is just going to

9:53

help firefighters see things and see your

9:55

house in the event that you have.

9:57

house is still there. You can close

9:59

your windows and doors. It's amazing how

10:01

much different closed doors even internally make

10:03

in fire spread. There are plenty of

10:06

videos you can watch about this online,

10:08

but like it's amazing how much different

10:10

it makes having those closed. But you

10:12

don't want to lock your front door.

10:14

Like you're going to see a lot

10:16

of stuff about looting. I will tell

10:18

you right now that the people who

10:21

are looting from wildfire survivors are the

10:23

landlords who are charging 150% of the

10:25

rent that they were a month ago

10:27

for people to find a place place

10:29

to live. Also, if my house is

10:31

about to burn down and you go

10:34

steal all my stuff, good! Have it?

10:36

Yeah, lucky you need to get burned?

10:38

Like, yeah, compared to if a firefighter

10:40

needs to enter that house to prevent

10:42

it burning down. It takes a meaningful

10:44

amount of time to break down a

10:46

door. You can save that time by

10:49

leaving it open. So yeah, that is

10:51

something that I think you will get

10:53

the wrong impression of if you're watching

10:55

too much corporate news. If you can,

10:57

close metal shutters on your windows, but

10:59

remove curtains. Flamable things near windows. Generally,

11:01

not a good idea. That makes sense.

11:04

So if you've got fabric curtains, I

11:06

know they look nice, but take them

11:08

down. Or you could just live like

11:10

me and never purchase curtains and just

11:12

a... I don't have to have the

11:14

sun in your face. What has happened

11:17

to me right now? Yeah, yeah. We're

11:19

going to start a whole interior design

11:21

thing and when I teach James interior

11:23

design, where you hang your curtains? Yeah,

11:25

James, he's effectively squatting in a house

11:27

that he actually rents. You should also

11:29

move flammable items into the middle of

11:32

the room again, right? That's where the

11:34

fire is not. And then before you

11:36

go. Choose an outfit that covers your

11:38

legs and arms, right? And you want

11:40

to wear some sturdy shoes as well,

11:42

something that's comfortable, something you could potentially

11:44

sleep in and wear for a few

11:47

days and not be uncomfortable, shoes that

11:49

you could... walk in, right? We saw

11:51

a lot of people in LA went

11:53

able to take their vehicles as far

11:55

as they had expected to be able

11:57

to. And so having a pair of

12:00

shoes that you're comfortable in, your nice

12:02

comfy walking shoes is definitely a useful

12:04

thing to have. Something to something to

12:06

think about. I hope you're not listening

12:08

to this dashing around your house if

12:10

you are best of luck. Yeah, but

12:12

you know you can prepare all this

12:15

stuff now. For the outside of your

12:17

house, flammable stuff that might catch outside

12:19

your house is... Best either bought inside,

12:21

inside your shed if you have a

12:23

shed or a garage or something, or

12:25

in a particularly California piece of advice,

12:27

Calfire suggests chucking your patio furniture in

12:30

the pool. So that is the thing

12:32

that you can do. That makes some

12:34

sense. It does. Have you seen the

12:36

picture of this lady in the 90s

12:38

who put all her fine china in

12:40

her swimming pool before evacuating in a

12:42

wildfire? Oh, that's amazing. Yeah, it's very

12:45

like of the time. Like it was

12:47

a time when people could afford swimming

12:49

pools and also people had China that

12:51

they cared about, which is something that

12:53

our generation generally does not. Unless they

12:55

inherited it from their parents and in

12:58

which case they still also, yeah, right.

13:00

They have like one plate. Yes, yeah,

13:02

yeah. Apparently it's a big issue with

13:04

people like inheriting China and not want

13:06

to get in and just dumping it

13:08

on goodwills. Yeah, I believe that. Yeah,

13:10

I can see that. So yeah, you

13:13

can put stuff in your pool if

13:15

you don't want it to burn if

13:17

it is possible for you to do

13:19

that. You had something you mentioned Margaret

13:21

about your fence, right, living in a

13:23

more rural setting. Yeah. Can I actually

13:25

just kind of like really quickly run

13:28

through some if you fire protecting your

13:30

house? There's two things you're going to

13:32

do. One is the, oh, I'm going

13:34

to run away now version, and then

13:36

there's the ahead of time version. The

13:38

really quick basic version of the You

13:41

want to have a defensible space, you

13:43

know, everyone's going to give you a

13:45

different number, but like 100 feet from

13:47

your house, you don't want densely packed

13:49

trees, especially conifers, and you're going to

13:51

want, you know, the one tree is

13:53

okay as long as it's a little

13:56

bit further from the other. you're going

13:58

to want to clear out yard debris.

14:00

Even though leaves on the ground is

14:02

overall good, you kind of want to

14:04

create this space where there's not a

14:06

lot of leaf litter and things like

14:08

that. Directly under your house so that

14:11

the eaves don't catch, you want to

14:13

make sure that you want to make

14:15

sure that you don't keep a lot

14:17

of flammable stuff there. And if I

14:19

was fleeing my house in a hurry,

14:21

I would be pulling all the stuff

14:24

away from under the eaves that I should

14:26

have pulled away from under the eaves months

14:28

ago. Line around the edge of my house,

14:30

right of landscaping yeah, but the other things

14:33

that you're going to want to do

14:35

is you're going to want to look

14:37

for how embers can get in through

14:39

the vents and stuff like in your

14:41

roof area or under Wherever and you're

14:43

going to want to basically make sure

14:45

and it might already have that But

14:47

you want to make sure that there's tighter

14:49

than chicken wire. I think it's I

14:51

think you want quarter inch mesh covering

14:54

those things Yeah, like construction netting Yeah,

14:56

it's metal, it's just the name of

14:58

it. Oh, okay. It's what they put

15:01

into concrete, I think. I used it

15:03

to build chicken runs for similar reasons.

15:05

Well, because raccoon hands can't get through

15:07

it, and raccoons, they're bastards as it

15:10

turns out. Yeah, that makes sense. If your

15:12

porch is wooden, you have a porch, you

15:14

don't want fire to get underneath it,

15:16

and so you can keep your wooden porch,

15:18

but you want to screen off underneath of

15:21

underneath of it to keep flaminging

15:23

debris from going under there. And

15:25

then if you have a wooden fence,

15:27

consider having the like first 10 feet

15:29

or so of the fence, a brick or something

15:32

like that, I can't afford this. But imagine

15:34

you can. Then you would want the first

15:36

chunk of it to be that way. If

15:38

you have gates, you open them. The deal

15:40

with fences and everything is that you don't

15:42

want like a wick that brings fire to

15:44

your house. So if the forest around you

15:46

is burning. you don't want it to catch

15:49

your fence and have that go right up

15:51

to under the eaves, catch the eaves on

15:53

fire, and now you have a structure fire.

15:55

So what you're going to do is you open the

15:57

gates if you're leaving, and then, for

15:59

example, plan, because I have a wooden

16:02

fence that goes all the way up to

16:04

my house, is that if I have more

16:06

than like five minutes to flee a fire,

16:08

if I have a half an hour to

16:10

flee a fire, I am taking the chainsaw

16:12

and I am cutting down about ten

16:14

feet of that wooden fence before I

16:17

leave. I am cutting down about

16:19

ten feet of that wooden fence

16:21

before I leave. And that

16:23

should dramatically increase the chances that

16:25

my house will survive a fire.

16:28

If you live in a

16:30

fire-prone area, they actually make

16:32

pumps that are designed to

16:34

pump your pool water into

16:37

a fire hose. And they

16:39

have saved a lot of

16:41

rural areas, and probably city

16:44

areas too, by having that

16:46

accessible to firefighters immediately. Your

16:48

pool can become a resource for

16:51

the people who are coming

16:53

in to try and keep

16:55

your house intact. We all went looking

16:57

for, of course, there were some wealthy

16:59

people who, like, well, they didn't live

17:01

in the village that we lived in,

17:03

they owned it, because Britain has never

17:06

moved on from the feudal era. And

17:08

they had a pool, and that was

17:10

where our horse was. And so the

17:12

fire brigade came, and they used one

17:14

of those things, just pumped out the

17:16

water, and just hosed down the surrounding

17:18

garden. And then we came with the

17:21

tractor, and we put some different straw

17:23

bales of different sizes, made a set

17:25

of stairs. Got her out. Uh-huh. Yeah.

17:27

That's the least relatable

17:29

story I've ever heard

17:31

about England. It's amazing.

17:33

Yeah. She was a

17:35

good horse. Misty. Yeah.

17:37

We had a lot of horses that

17:39

like... we had access to land and not

17:42

a great deal of finances so we inherited

17:44

problematic horses I think for people who had

17:46

like who had the means to purchase that

17:48

is relatable to the Americans yeah okay yeah

17:51

yeah yeah any people find themselves in this

17:53

situation I'm sure yeah horse poor is a

17:55

whole thing yeah it is yeah it's it's

17:58

the rich people who buy fancy horse and

18:00

then like find that horse not to

18:02

their liking and can afford to discard

18:04

a living thing that they spent more

18:06

than a car is worth on. One

18:09

and also being horse poor is you

18:11

have a horse but you don't have

18:13

any money and you're like you're partly

18:15

poor because you have the horse because

18:18

horses are incredibly expensive to maintain. Yes

18:20

they are. Vets cost a lot. Yeah.

18:22

Anyway. So yeah. Make sure not quite

18:24

in horse relation but if you are

18:26

you know more of a horseless carriage

18:29

transport This is a very American thing.

18:31

In possession of an electric garage door

18:33

opener, it is a good idea to

18:35

work out how to open your garage

18:37

without that. Yeah. Because you don't want

18:40

to be in a situation where you

18:42

can't use your vehicle because you can't

18:44

open your garage. Or you don't want

18:46

to be in a situation where you

18:48

can't use your vehicle because you can't

18:51

open your garage. Or you don't want

18:53

to be dashing around going, you know

18:55

how to open that. Margaret, now will

18:57

be a good time for us to

19:00

pause for ads. I wonder if we

19:02

will get an advert for electric garage

19:04

doors. Or electric courses. Oh yeah, maybe.

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30:53

if you're a person who uses

30:56

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30:58

those are in very high demands.

31:00

You're probably not going to be

31:02

able to replace it. So bring that

31:04

with you. If you have medications, ideally

31:07

grab the meds in the little orange

31:09

thing and take those with you. That

31:11

way you've got the Rx number and

31:13

you can easily go to a pharmacy

31:15

and be like, hey, this is my

31:17

prescription for me. It has my prescription

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31:21

the whole bottle, then you've got, you

31:24

know, hopefully a decent supply. Hopefully your

31:26

insurance isn't annoying and only lets you

31:28

get three weeks at a time. Yeah,

31:30

that's, that comes up for a lot

31:32

of people, but yeah. Mm-hmm. I will

31:34

not name any companies, because I think

31:36

it is against my contract to do

31:39

that. I will say that if you

31:41

have like, your important documents, right, you're

31:43

potentially your deed to your house,

31:45

if you're on your car, your

31:47

passport, your passport. your birth

31:50

certificate is a big one. Yeah, you're

31:52

right to be in this country.

31:54

Yeah, any green card, visa, that

31:57

kind of thing, especially those

31:59

in the... Well, this will come out in

32:01

the era of Trump 2.0. So those

32:03

documents are going to be very important

32:06

for some people, right? Your darker registration.

32:08

Put those in a file and grab

32:10

the whole thing, bring it with you.

32:12

Do not rely on scan copies of

32:14

those, especially your immigration documents. If you're

32:16

a person who has firearms, records of

32:18

the serial numbers of those are going

32:20

to be useful. And again, I would

32:23

just snap a picture. It's not reasonable

32:25

or sensible. to be taking a lot

32:27

of firearms with you in a situation

32:29

like this, you're not going to need

32:31

them. And there's going to be a

32:33

lot of places that you won't want

32:35

to bring them. Yes, you know. I

32:37

would suggest locking them up, and like

32:40

I say, documenting that you have done

32:42

that, you may have to prove at

32:44

some point that that firearm no longer

32:46

exists, and that's really the best way

32:48

to do that. And being prepared to

32:50

travel on foot, like I said. Another

32:52

thing that people have been needing and

32:55

not having is is P100 masks. So

32:57

that's a particle filter generally in the

32:59

3M and I think the honeywell filters,

33:01

they're pink. So I'm talking about like

33:03

a screw-in filter here. Although they do

33:05

make P100 masks that are more like,

33:07

they look more like COVID masks. They're

33:09

just a little bit thicker and yeah,

33:12

they're a little bit more sort of

33:14

burdensome than those masks, but that is

33:16

what you need if you're in those

33:18

situations. I have ones like when I'm

33:20

epoxyating wood, I have a little half-faced

33:22

respirated I wear for that. We will

33:24

actually talk about masks Margaret after some

33:26

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33:29

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33:31

pretty sick of a tiny well. Yeah,

33:33

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35:48

Yeah. Well, keeping us safe from tear

35:50

gas. Although I'm kind of a 3M

35:52

girl, I gotta admit. Oh, controversial. Okay.

35:55

I know. So one of the things

35:57

I did during 2020 was a lot.

35:59

of testing of protest care. And if

36:01

you want to see, I've written up

36:03

a whole bunch of pieces about exactly

36:05

everything about masks and body armor and

36:08

blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But in

36:10

general, when you think about masks, there's

36:12

sort of three levels that actually matter

36:14

or useful. There's the version that we

36:16

kind of see as a COVID mask.

36:18

There's a version where it's like you

36:21

you wear it around your face and

36:23

you make sure you need to get

36:25

a rated one. And N95 is better

36:27

than nothing for rated. And then there

36:29

is a half mask respirator. Half mask

36:31

respirators are great. They are probably the

36:34

sweet spot for this. They are less

36:36

good for pandemics because they do not

36:38

filter the exhale. They are better for

36:40

your daily life because they don't filter

36:42

the exhale. It's much easier to breathe

36:44

with a half mask respirator than a

36:47

fabric mask. And you can switch out

36:49

the cartridges and unfortunately almost all of

36:51

them are various proprietary types of filters.

36:53

And the bayonet mount is the 3M

36:55

style. There's a NATO version. If something

36:57

looks more like a gas mask, it's

37:00

probably the NATO screw-on kind. So you

37:02

can get a half-mask respirator, or you

37:04

can get a folkface respirator, which is

37:06

more or less what looks like a

37:08

gas mask. But those come in kind

37:10

of civilian styles that are using the

37:13

same 3M brand or Honeywell or whatever

37:15

cartridges. Or you can get the more

37:17

military style screw in. The military style

37:19

is kind of overkill in terms of

37:21

it'll position you oddly socially. Yes, certainly

37:24

you're a fire. Yeah, I think that

37:26

a thing that is worth everyone having

37:28

are these respirators, a half mask respirator,

37:30

or depending on your life, like if

37:32

you use them a lot or you're

37:34

going to be protesting or you're going

37:37

to be protesting or you can't get

37:39

it imported, but... They work fairly well.

37:41

They're just not quite as good. I've

37:43

tested a whole bunch of them against

37:45

various impacts and things like that. I

37:47

think that half masks are great. I

37:50

keep a half masks. in my truck,

37:52

literally for wildfire smoke. Because when I'm

37:54

traveling, if I'm driving out west, I've

37:56

been around wildfire smoke while traveling before.

37:58

Another thing, just really quickly, they make

38:00

these for dogs as well. They're more

38:03

like COVID mask style, and my dog

38:05

hates it, you know, but you could

38:07

train your dog into not hating it.

38:09

I just haven't. I just keep it

38:11

around to be like, well, if it

38:13

really, if we had to sleep in

38:16

the vehicle in a smoky area, my

38:18

dog would hate it, and he would

38:20

put up with it. you know when

38:22

he would survive yeah yeah I like

38:24

masks yes they're great yeah they are

38:26

good the half-faced respiratory is great yeah

38:29

that's what I used like I say

38:31

when I'm epoxying so I don't get

38:33

high because that would be bad yeah

38:35

oh and then really quickly about physical

38:37

stuff like deeds and all of that

38:39

stuff yeah I'm actually kind of curious

38:42

because it's like I see why it

38:44

matters the most to have the physical

38:46

originals mmm mhm for most crises a

38:48

lot of people talk about how safety

38:50

deposit boxes at banks are kind of

38:52

the way to go for stuff like

38:55

that you don't need on a regular

38:57

basis. This wouldn't be your proof of

38:59

documentation necessarily, but it might be your

39:01

like birth certificate, maybe like deeds and

39:03

titles and things at a safe deposit

39:05

box because then if your house burns

39:08

down, it's still fine. LA Wildfire kind

39:10

of disproves this a little bit, right?

39:12

Because then you're like, well, what if

39:14

your bank burns down? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

39:16

And then if it's not on your

39:18

property, you can't grab it and go.

39:21

So it's a little bit complicated. I

39:23

think overall, I think that there's a

39:25

real advantage to keeping stuff in a

39:27

safety deposit box off site. And then

39:29

also, as you want to shout out

39:31

that fireproof safes aren't fireproof. Yeah, not

39:34

for the situation that we're talking about

39:36

here. Right. They are designed for like,

39:38

your kitchen catches fire and your safe

39:40

is under your bed. Yeah, and the

39:42

firefighters come and they get out in

39:44

15 minutes, but some stuff gets charred.

39:47

Right. When there is a structure fire

39:49

and a structure is destroyed, fireproof safes

39:51

like all other safes are generally not

39:53

protecting their contents. And that's not the

39:55

safe fault of the fire safe, it's

39:57

just, they're not designed for that. Google

40:00

the melting point. of steel for this

40:02

and many other interesting internet things that

40:04

you can learn. Jet fuel can't melt

40:06

fireproof safe. Yeah, yeah, which is why

40:08

they build buildings out of them. Oh,

40:10

and one more thing about documents really

40:13

quick. While the original matters, having copies

40:15

is like better than nothing. And also

40:17

just like scanning and having them on

40:19

encrypted hard, like a scripted USB stick.

40:21

A little USB stick with all of

40:23

your stuff is a really pretty good

40:26

thing to have. It has some advantages

40:28

to right. Because sometimes you don't. want

40:30

the originals of your documents. Like, for

40:32

example, you probably want a list of

40:34

all of your bank accounts. The bank

40:36

account numbers, your pins, your credit card

40:39

numbers, like all of that stuff that

40:41

you really don't want someone else to

40:43

have. But if you lost, you would

40:45

be really sad. You probably want digital

40:47

encrypted copies of that available to you.

40:50

Yeah. Also, you're like master passwords and

40:52

all that terrible, horrible stuff that's scary

40:54

to put onto a USB stick. Yeah.

40:56

So really quickly Margaret, it's going to

40:58

be a long one I guess. You

41:00

and I talk about proper stuff, it

41:03

went long? Yeah, shocking. Go bags. We've

41:05

done our whole episode on go bags.

41:07

If you're new to the show, hello,

41:09

welcome. You can go back and listen

41:11

to Margaret and James talking about go

41:13

bags. We'll try and put a link

41:16

in the description here for you. But

41:18

what is the like super fast speed

41:20

run version of what you want to

41:22

put in your go bag? Oh Lord.

41:24

Change of socks and underwear. Your basic

41:26

toiletries, like the kind of like travel

41:29

toiletries, because your go back is like

41:31

more like, sorry, it's not going to

41:33

be a long tangent. Your go back

41:35

is like more likely I have to

41:37

spend the night in my car than

41:39

like I'm starting a new life somewhere

41:42

out in the planes. Yeah. And so

41:44

the small little things like bring deodorant

41:46

even if you don't have deodorant in

41:48

your daily life because you might be

41:50

crammed into a lot of other people.

41:52

basic toiletries and a little bit extra

41:55

to share. I think whether or not

41:57

you menstruate you should have tampons, for

41:59

example. and your go back. And so

42:01

I think that the basic toiletries, basic

42:03

first days slash survival stuff, and then

42:05

like change a close, and also like. at least

42:08

one or two morale items. I keep a Nintendo switch in

42:10

my go bag. It, uh, Skyrim is, I need a Skyrim

42:12

box in order to fight anxiety sometimes. Yeah, yeah. You can

42:14

get those tiny little game boys now, which have like, uh,

42:16

it looks like a game boy, but it's every game boy,

42:18

but it's every game ever. Every game ever. Every game boy,

42:20

but it's every game ever. Every game boy, but it looks

42:22

like a game boy, but it's every game boy, but it's

42:24

every game boy, but it's every game boy, every game boy,

42:26

but it's, every game boy, every game boy, but it's, every

42:28

game boy, every game, every game, every game, every game, every

42:30

game, every game, every game, every game, every game, every game,

42:32

every game, every game, every game ever, yeah. Yeah, every game,

42:34

every game, yeah. Yeah, every game, every game, every game, every

42:36

game, every game, every game, Yeah, and look, that's fine, and

42:38

it's probably going to be more

42:40

important to you than half the

42:42

shit you see people online putting

42:44

in their gobacks. You don't need

42:46

a gender affirming hatch yet. You will

42:48

have a lot more fun with your

42:51

tiny game boy. Things that you don't

42:53

need. I see people hauling a lot

42:55

of food. Everyone who's evacuated at LA is

42:57

having a miserable time. They are eating

42:59

the best they ever have. So many

43:02

people want to help. So many people

43:04

are getting fed right now. Thanks to

43:06

the efforts of mutual aid groups, really.

43:08

Remarkably, it doesn't seem to be so much bite.

43:10

You'd think LA, a city on a major fault line,

43:12

would have some kind of supplies for an earthquake that

43:14

required feeding lots of people. Seems like it's more vibes-based

43:16

for the city. But it's like, you know, surprise, it's

43:18

mutual aid groups who are feeding people and they're doing

43:21

that really well. So you don't need to haul a

43:23

lot of food. Having a little bit of shelf stable

43:25

food, though, a little bit of shelf stable food, I really

43:27

recommend shelf stable food. I really recommend bars you don't,

43:29

I really recommend bars you don't like. as the food

43:31

that you put in your go bag. Because if you

43:33

put in bars that you do like, you're going to eat them

43:35

when you're bored one day. Yeah. And you don't want to go

43:37

to the store. Highly recommend. I say this, literally all of the

43:39

bars in all my bags have been eaten in the past week.

43:41

But that's because there's been like a winter. Yeah. But that's because

43:43

there's like a wintering all of the bars in all my bags

43:45

have been eaten in the past week. Yeah. But that's because there's

43:47

because there's because there's because there's been like there's been like a

43:49

winter. There's been like a winter, there's like a winter, there's like

43:52

a winter, there's like a winter, there's like a winter, there's like

43:54

a winter, there's like a winter, like a winter, like a winter, like

43:56

a winter, like a winter, like a winter, like a winter, like

43:58

a winter, like a winter, like a winter, like a winter, like

44:00

a winter, sustained, it's to keep you from being

44:02

grouchy. Like, don't think of it as like,

44:04

I need to put entire meals in my

44:07

go back. Think of it as like, I

44:09

need enough sugar and whatever to keep my

44:11

like headspace right. Yeah, I kind of like

44:13

to layer them in between things. I do

44:16

this when I'm camping too. I'll get like

44:18

this little peanut butter packets. Yeah. I do

44:20

highly recommend peanut butter. I take it when

44:23

I travel a lot as well. It's like

44:25

a comfort food for me. It's filling, it's

44:27

compact, it's not that bad for you. When

44:29

I lived out of a backpack, I kept

44:32

a plastic jar of peanut butter at the

44:34

bottom of my pack always because I knew

44:36

no matter what, I had at least two

44:39

days worth of calories in the bottom of

44:41

my bag. Yeah, it's a wonderful thing, peanut

44:43

butter. So yeah, put some of that in

44:45

there. There are things that like, like, like,

44:48

like, like, you probably don't, like, you probably

44:50

don't, you probably don't need, you probably don't

44:52

need shelter, you probably don't need shelter, you

44:55

probably don't need shelter, Right, especially if you're

44:57

going to have to stay one of those.

44:59

One thing, a little comfort item that I

45:01

always take, I've taken this all over the

45:04

world, is an inflatable pillow. Like there are

45:06

a lot of hardships that I would endure,

45:08

I like to sleep on a pillow, and

45:10

so I take a little inflatable pillow, so

45:13

it's something that like, you will have comfort

45:15

items like that, that are things for you.

45:17

I'll put those in there. I would avoid

45:20

watching too much go bag content on YouTube

45:22

because you're going to get anxious about the

45:24

fact that you don't have like a folding

45:26

short barrels rifle. And that's because you don't

45:29

need it. Nor do you need like a...

45:31

Like I'm sitting next to my bulletproof vest

45:33

that I've used before for work. I'm not

45:36

taking it with me. It's staying here. I

45:38

spent a lot of money on the plate

45:40

so I will be claiming those on insurance,

45:42

but you don't need that stuff. People are

45:45

taking care for one another. And so pack

45:47

with the things that will help you be

45:49

comfortable and consider that you might be spending

45:52

a while in a hotel or a hostel

45:54

or a refuge or staying with a friend

45:56

or family members and think what would make

45:58

that more comfortable for you. I think that's

46:01

a really good way to put it. It's

46:03

the get out of town for the weekend

46:05

bag. It's not the end of the world

46:08

bag. I think that if you are more

46:10

rural, you might want some basic camping stuff.

46:12

Yeah, definitely. But the average person probably doesn't.

46:14

I mostly see people, I see people hauling

46:17

a lot of food. Everyone who's evacuated at

46:19

LA is having a miserable time. They're eating

46:21

the best they ever have. So many people

46:23

want to help and food is a way

46:26

that so many of us express affection and

46:28

care for one another. So many people are

46:30

getting fed right now. Thanks to the efforts

46:33

of mutual aid groups really. Remarkably doesn't seem

46:35

to be so much by, you'd think LA,

46:37

a city on a major fault line, would

46:39

have some kind of supplies for an earthquake

46:42

that required feeding lots of people. Seems like

46:44

it's more vibes-based for the city. But you

46:46

know, surprise, it's mutual aid groups who are

46:49

feeding people who are feeding a lot of

46:51

food. Having a little bit of food though,

46:53

a little bit of shelf stable food, I

46:55

really recommend bars you don't like as the

46:58

food that you put in your go bag.

47:00

Because if you put in bars that you

47:02

do like, you're going to eat them when

47:05

you're bored one day. And you don't want

47:07

to go to the store one day. And

47:09

you don't want to go to the store.

47:11

I highly recommend. I say this, literally, I

47:14

say, you're going to eat them when you're

47:16

bored one day. Yeah. And you don't want

47:18

to go to go to go to go

47:20

to go to go to go to go

47:23

to the store one to the store, to

47:25

the store, to the store, to go to

47:27

the store, to the store, to the store,

47:30

to the store, to the store, to the

47:32

store, to the store, to the store, to

47:34

the store, to the store, to the store,

47:36

to the store, to the store, to the

47:39

store, to the store, to the store, to

47:41

the store, to, to, to, So find the

47:43

one that you don't like, put it in

47:46

your bag. Just have a couple. It's not

47:48

to keep you sustained, it's to keep you

47:50

from being grouchy. Like, don't think of it

47:52

as like, I need to put entire meals

47:55

in my go bag. Think of it as

47:57

like, I need enough sugar and whatever to

47:59

keep my headspace right. Yeah, I kind of

48:02

like to lay them in between things. I

48:04

do as well, I'm camping too. Let me

48:06

just snuff this and I'm going to be

48:08

better. I do highly recommend peanut butter. I

48:11

take it when I travel a lot as

48:13

well. It's like a comfort food for me.

48:15

It's filling, it's compact, it's... it's not that

48:18

bad for you. When I lived out of

48:20

a backpack, I kept a plastic jar of

48:22

peanut butter at the bottom of my pack

48:24

always because I knew no matter what, I

48:27

had at least two days worth of calories

48:29

in the bottom of my bag. Yeah, yeah,

48:31

it's a wonderful thing. peanut butter. So yeah,

48:33

put some of that in there. There are

48:36

things that like you probably don't need shelter,

48:38

right? But it might be nice to have

48:40

a little compact blanket. Like there are a

48:43

lot of hardships that I would endure, I

48:45

like to sleep on a pillow, and so

48:47

I take a little inflatable pillow, so it's

48:49

something that like, you know, you will have

48:52

comfort items like that, that are things for

48:54

you. I'll put those in there, I would

48:56

avoid watching too much go bag content on

48:59

YouTube, because you're going to get anxious about

49:01

the fact that you don't have like a

49:03

folding short barrels rifle, and that's because you

49:05

don't need it. Like I'm sitting next to

49:08

my bulletproof vest that I've used before for

49:10

work, I'm not taking it with me, staying

49:12

here. I didn't spend a lot of money

49:15

on the plate, so I will be claiming

49:17

those on insurance, but you don't need that

49:19

stuff. People are taking care of one another.

49:21

And so pack with the things that will

49:24

help you be comfortable and consider that you

49:26

might be spending a while in a hotel

49:28

or a hostile or a refuge, or staying

49:31

with a friend or family members, and think

49:33

what would make that. More comfortable for you.

49:35

I think that this is a really good

49:37

way to put it. It's the get out

49:40

of town for the weekend bag It's not

49:42

the end of the world bag I think

49:44

that if you are more rural You might

49:46

want some basic camping stuff. Yeah, yeah, definitely

49:49

But the average person probably doesn't I mostly

49:51

have this at the like there's my go

49:53

bag, and then there's the stuff that's kind

49:56

of always in my truck Yeah, that's where

49:58

I'm out to you I like to go

50:00

camping. I like I am almost certainly not

50:02

bugging out on foot from my house, and

50:05

if I had to, then I would have

50:07

to bring a not my go bag. I

50:09

would have to bring a hiking bag, you

50:12

know? Yeah. Most of the time, if you

50:14

have access to a car and roads because

50:16

you're escaping an emergency, you're getting to somewhere

50:18

with enough civilization that you have, you can

50:21

expect some level of shelter and food. Yeah,

50:23

exactly. But I do, I will say, have

50:25

some water, don't go overboard, like I think

50:28

that having like a little bit of like

50:30

chemical water filtration and a water bottle or

50:32

a water filter, you know, no reason not

50:34

to. Yeah. I will say specifically, like get

50:37

a soil squeeze. They're tiny, the filtration is

50:39

better than most other filters that are that

50:41

size. Get it, put it in your backpack,

50:44

leave it there, they're handy to have, and

50:46

then, yeah, get a little, I like to

50:48

have, I like to have, again, this is

50:50

a little, I like to have, again, this

50:53

is a little comfort thing, I like to

50:55

have, I like to have a little comfort

50:57

thing, I can drink water out of it,

50:59

and snuggle, and snuggle with it. So that's

51:02

a nice thing. Yeah, I use also like

51:04

a single wall steel canteen so that you

51:06

can heat water in it. If you get

51:09

the double wall ones, then you can't heat

51:11

them over a fire because they're, you know,

51:13

vacuum insulated or whatever. But then other people

51:15

I know are like, well, they want the

51:18

ability to have like, and they're insulated tea

51:20

bottle, you know, you do you. So. I

51:22

will also say battery packs for phones is

51:25

a big one. Again, you're less likely to

51:27

need to hunt squirrels with axes and you're

51:29

more likely to keep your phone charged and

51:31

other people's phones charged. One of those little

51:34

hydra charging cables which, you know, breaks one.

51:36

That's what I was about to say too.

51:38

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Get one of those.

51:41

Get a little wall wart and keep it

51:43

in there so you can turn a wall

51:45

socket into a USB socket if you need

51:47

that to charge your stuff. that is surprisingly

51:50

handy in lots of situations is I like

51:52

to run a lot and sometimes you're doing

51:54

an ultramarithin when you get to the aid

51:56

station they just have like big things of

51:59

water right and you fill up your little

52:01

water bottles you're carrying in your vest and

52:03

lots of people have these tiny collapseable cups

52:06

that are made of like a thin rubber.

52:08

They're made of the stuff that camelback ladders

52:10

are made of. And then they can fill

52:12

up that cup and they can drink from

52:15

it and they just keep it attached to

52:17

their best, right? And then off they go

52:19

running along. Oh, interesting. These are very useful

52:22

and I've started incorporating them in lots of

52:24

my travel and like, yeah, emergency supplies because

52:26

if you're in a place where people don't

52:28

have cups, right, but they have big things

52:31

of water, now you have a vessel from

52:33

which you have a vessel from which to

52:35

drink, from which to drink. I also keep

52:38

one of those, I don't know if it's

52:40

the same one you're talking about, but it

52:42

collapses up almost like 40 in style. Yeah,

52:44

it's like the camping ones, but it's way

52:47

lighter than those. Ah, okay. I have the

52:49

camping style one and I keep it in

52:51

there as a like emergency dog bowl. Yes,

52:54

I know, yeah, those are great for that

52:56

too, and you can drink hot things out

52:58

of them, which is nice. And you know,

53:00

it's like... My dog only gets the meds

53:03

once a month, so I go to my

53:05

bag and I pull out the meds and

53:07

I give them to my dog from my

53:09

bag. Because why not? And if you have

53:12

other people, whether they're not fully grown yet

53:14

or are, that you also take care of,

53:16

you know, you need to make sure you

53:19

have a little bit of their stuff in

53:21

there. Like you keep a dog toy in

53:23

your go bag. Yeah, if you have a

53:25

child, keep a child toy. If you need

53:28

to keep medicines. I have never got one

53:30

for free, but you dip it in water

53:32

and it uses evaporative cooling to keep your

53:35

insulin cold. I have used them. Oh, cool.

53:37

They are very handy. They don't rely on

53:39

electricity. It's very nice. So yeah, if that's

53:41

something that you need, then that is hopefully

53:44

something that will be useful to you. My

53:46

last thing would be a little torch, a

53:48

little pocket flashlight, or even better a headlamp,

53:51

like a headlatch, like a headtorch, because lots

53:53

of places in LA lost power, right. They're

53:55

not expensive, they're great gifts. Bring a few,

53:57

give them to friends, make new friends. Hopefully

54:00

this has repaired you. The last thing of

54:02

course... Margaret is Gold Bullion with Ronald Reagan's

54:04

face on it. Oh, I forgot to mention

54:07

that. Yeah, you need to trade. Rather than

54:09

having a system of mutual aid, which we

54:11

naturally do, instead we should interject a complicated

54:13

barter system, ideally on the gold standard. Yeah,

54:16

in which shiny metal replaces our natural instinct

54:18

to help one another. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

54:20

That's how it's been. That's, that's humans. Famously.

54:22

Notice species. Just bring a copy of debt

54:25

by David Graber in your. Yeah, yeah. Bring

54:27

at the shrugs and then as you pass

54:29

the fires, just start ripping that shit off,

54:32

throwing it in there, let it burn. Having

54:34

a paperback book, if you like that, it's

54:36

not weight efficient, but you know what, like,

54:38

like, morale matters. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, bring the

54:41

dawn of everything by David Graber. That'll occupy

54:43

you through most natural disasters. It's a it's

54:45

a thick book. It is, it is indeed.

54:48

If you can't reach something, very handy. Stand

54:50

on that. He really thought he did us

54:52

one final solid, um, R.I.P. David Graber. Yeah,

54:54

and on R. I.P. to David Wangroa, the

54:57

other David, the less venerated David, who also

54:59

wrote that less venerated David, who also read

55:01

that book. I always feel bad when I

55:04

just talk about graver stuff and I talk

55:06

about talking about everything and then I don't

55:08

talk about the other David. Yeah, sometimes I'll

55:10

just say the David's and then people will

55:13

look at me and yeah, totally to level

55:15

it. But I know. Yeah, yeah, when I'm

55:17

speaking to Margaret, I can say the David's.

55:20

She knows which David's I mean, that's why

55:22

we're friends. Yeah. Well, anyway. It's going to

55:24

be okay, or it's not, but you know

55:26

what? You weren't going to survive being alive

55:29

anyway. And keep your car half full of

55:31

gas, like when you're on your way home,

55:33

and make sure that you fill up if

55:35

it's less than halfway full. Plug your electric

55:38

car in. Don't skip plugging your little electric

55:40

car in at night. Yeah. Because the night

55:42

that you do is the night that you

55:45

need it. Do the little things. Take care

55:47

of one another. Yep. Yeah. is a

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