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to It Gets Weird, our
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the unusual, the unbelievable, and
1:01
the unexplained to try to make your
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world a little weirder. I'm Nyle. And
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I'm Kyle, and I've got a huge
1:08
announcement. A big announcement. Really? Yes, huge
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announcement. Been wait, I've been... If
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you could have seen me before we
1:15
started recording, before I hopped on Zoom
1:18
here with you. I fucking... I mean you
1:20
could have heard me tearing ass around
1:22
like from across the other side of
1:24
the house just running to the
1:26
microphone. You have like beans or something?
1:28
No, no, no. You're thinking of farting.
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I meant tearing ass is in like
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moving very quickly. Oh, okay. You're
1:35
thinking of of farting, which I...
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I thought you were just
1:39
like crop dusting your entire
1:41
house, like I, you know?
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No, no, no. I'm like
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fucking rippin, rip-rorin, tearing-rorin, tearing-in,
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tearing- my ass across the
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house, this announcement. Huge announcement.
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I got athletes foot.
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Really? Yes, yes I did. I
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have no idea where it
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came from. Which is honestly
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worse than I think knowing. But
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wow, I, hey, I can't remember,
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I think the last time I
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had Athletes Foot was in high
2:09
school when I did swimming. And
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I was, you know, walking around
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locker rooms, barefoot and shit. And
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I gotta say, a negative review
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of Athletes Foot. Oh yeah, not
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a fan? No, it sucks. It
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really sucks. But it sucks especially
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because I am a big time
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foot hater. Yeah, you really do
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not like to be touched by
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and or be around feet. I
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prefer to keep them on the
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ground. And so like, like obviously
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I can deal with my own
2:40
feet, right? But it's like, it's
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like if you stare into the
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mirror a little too long. You
2:46
start to get uneasy staring at
2:48
your own face for too long.
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You know what I mean? Like
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at least I maybe that maybe
2:55
is that a thing. Do you
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ever feel that way? I feel
2:59
that way. Not not really. Okay.
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Well, I'm pretty normal on you're
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the you're the weird one I
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think is I'm gonna put my
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plate my flag. All right. I
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don't want to I just realize
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that I was saying something that
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could out make people realize that
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I'm fucking weird and I kind
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of wanted to reverse it on
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you like reverse card type deal
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while we're while we're figuring this
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out there's something that that may
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or may not be time sensitive
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depending on your answer to this
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question is there is there something
3:34
in the bottom right corner of
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this the screen on your end
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right now that is smoking oh
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yeah like a humidifier on or
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something yeah I hey I appreciate
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I appreciate The concern I guess
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now is the other big announcement.
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I did move out to California
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Okay, maybe that's not such a
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good joke. I have family out
3:56
there who they haven't had to
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evacuate But they're like actually it's
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the craziest shit in the world.
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They are a mile south of
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the fires and they're untouched really
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okay yeah that shit is fucked
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up and my knee jerk response
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was to crack a joke about
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it and I apologize but it's
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just I've seen all the news
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about it horrifying fires yeah pretty
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horrifying and every time like God,
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I'm sorry. This is to go
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from the foot thing to the
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fire thing here. It's like holding
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your feet to the fire. Yeah,
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exactly. I just I see that
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stuff. I see like the wildfires
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and shit and I'm just like
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This is this is the rest
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of our time on earth. Huh?
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This is just how it's gonna
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be. Yeah. Anyways I was thinking
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if somebody that I was dating
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was like I want you to
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do foot stuff with me. I'd
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have a real crisis moment Yeah,
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you'd be you'd be punching that
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source wall to try to change
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the fetish of your significant other
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I think I'd I think I'd
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have to really love that person
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to even Touch their feet Have
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you ever have you ever been
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in a relationship where you gave
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like a foot massage before is
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that off the table for you?
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It's not off the table, but
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like I think this is It's
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sort of like how like you
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know when you spend enough time
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in a relationship when the right
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time is to say I love
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you is right sure for me
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it would be like okay we've
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been together long enough I know
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you well enough I will willingly
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touch your feet but does that
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does that does that point become
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Come before or after marriage when
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in your like is that I
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think a base beyond marriage or
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is that? I think that's a
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step beyond marriage for me I
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think we're gonna have to like
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We're in it together forever if
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I'm touching your Fucking dirty ass
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toes. Anyways, that was a great
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start to the episode. I did
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want to say we have an
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email if you're up for that.
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Yeah, hit me up. I figured
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I'm hungry. I'm also hungry and
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this is a good this is
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a good email. So we got
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an email from Jacob. And Jacob
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says, hello, IGW Peeps, loved the
6:21
recent episode with Mary Meyer and
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the Spooks. It's always flabbergasted me
6:25
how the CIA or FBI slash
6:27
government have that deep dark side
6:29
to them. You're supposed to govern,
6:31
not manipulate the truth. There's probably
6:34
so much the public truly doesn't
6:36
know about the CD goings on
6:38
of our country domestically and internationally.
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Yeah, I agree with that. It's
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funny because like, I've been. getting
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invested in this stuff and like,
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you know, talking about Mary Meyer,
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M. Kaltra, all the stuff that
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we've talked about over the last
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couple months. It's like, I am
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fascinated with the fact that there's
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this sort of dark, like, I'll
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say it, like, there's basically, at
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least during this era, a deep
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state sort of political world, which
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Deep states and other one of
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those terms that really is like
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complicated due to the fact that
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it's now associated with people like
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Alex Jones But as I understand
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it used to have more of
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a leftist political origin point Which
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it was literally just to refer
7:23
to the kind of shit that
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we've talked about on those shows
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where there you know These these
7:29
people who have power are you
7:31
know doing secret things to manipulate
7:33
you know various political things, you
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know, like, yeah. So it's very
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interesting. All that being said, like.
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It is also another one of
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those things where I am like,
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as I read and learn more,
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because that's kind of the process
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I've been going through here is
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like, we've done a ton of
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UFO stuff. So there are tropes,
7:55
there are things that we recognize,
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there's a history that we have
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the context of, a lot of
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the time, at this point. And
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I'm kind of still learning a
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lot of that stuff when it
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comes to this like deep politics
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stuff that I've been looking into.
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And the thing that I'm realizing
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as I go along is like,
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I am now also realizing how
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it would be so easy for
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a person to slip into like
8:23
a fringe conspiracy. You know, like
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I wasn't even, I wasn't even
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going to say quen on, but
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like kind of yeah, like I'm
8:31
starting to see how these stories
8:33
are, they sometimes feel like they're
8:35
made to make people feel insane.
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Yeah. It's I think that's the
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scariest thing for me. It's like,
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I think that this like abuse
8:44
of like political power and the
8:46
ability to manipulate, that's not exactly
8:48
surprising. But the fact that there's
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like sort of this this undercurrent
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of driving people who look into
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it a little crazy, that's almost
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more sinister to me. Anyways, sorry,
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that's an aside. Thank you for
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the kind words. They go on
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in the email to say. Before
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I get too much into the
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weeds, don't worry about it Jacob
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already did it for you. When
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I was a t-shirt press operator
9:14
a few years ago, there was
9:16
a shirt design weed print of
9:18
JFK. To this day, hearing his
9:20
name always makes me think of
9:23
it. I don't know if you're
9:25
familiar with the movie Fantasm, which
9:27
now I think we watched that
9:29
together. Yeah, we watched that together.
9:31
Yeah. In the film, the antagonist
9:33
uses a flying metal sphere as
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a weapon that sticks to people's
9:37
foreheads and drills into their brains.
9:40
It's very metal, literally, because it's
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made of metal. I can imagine
9:44
where the shirt goes with these
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two concepts of JFK and phantasm.
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I've attached a picture of the
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shirt. That's really it. Keep on
9:52
keeping on, you guys are churning
9:55
out gold, love the show, and
9:57
they have a big question. So
9:59
if you want, we can do
10:01
this big question. I don't know
10:03
if it's gonna be related, but
10:05
it is related to the, I
10:07
could potentially save it for another
10:10
one of my like. parapolitical episodes.
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So there's there's a chance that
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it could work here. Well, okay,
10:16
we'll feel that out as I
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unveil what we're talking about today
10:20
because there is a bit of
10:22
a a little bit of a
10:24
disinformation angle to this thing. I'm
10:27
going to be talking about today.
10:29
Cool. But it'll come a bit
10:31
later. Well, anyways, Jacob ends the
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email by saying thank you guys
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for being awesome. And yes, I
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don't know if you saw the
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photo. I would wear this shirt
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100% It's exactly what you think
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it is, by the way. Okay.
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So, I mean, here's the thing.
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I'll just, I'll take this, take
10:50
this opportunity just to talk about
10:52
Fantasm real quick. Sure. Yeah, I
10:54
really like that movie. Yeah, me
10:57
too. I, I, I have an
10:59
intention to go back and watch
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more of them. I kind of,
11:03
every year around Halloween, I get
11:05
really into franchise horror and will,
11:07
like, like, pick a franchise and,
11:09
like, like, watch a bunch of
11:12
them, to be one of those
11:14
because I've heard really good things
11:16
about a couple of the later
11:18
parts of the franchise. And the
11:20
first one, despite its like thrown
11:22
togetherness, I found it incredibly charming
11:24
and interesting. So I, yeah, phantasm
11:26
rules and that sounds like it
11:29
would be pretty cool. I think
11:31
we had, we came with the
11:33
same feeling. I remember the, because
11:35
that movie is weird and there's
11:37
like multiple cuts of it too.
11:39
We're like, I'm sure there's some
11:41
sort of interesting backstory to how
11:44
all that happened. But it's one
11:46
of those movies that's just like,
11:48
it's like, the version of. we
11:50
watch felt a little cobbled together,
11:52
but like you said, it's very
11:54
charming. And I find the horror
11:56
aspects of it very funny. The
11:59
thing that I still to this
12:01
day find extremely bizarre about whatever
12:03
version that we watched is that
12:05
there are like moments up at
12:07
the front, if I remember correctly,
12:09
where they're literally just doing stuff
12:11
from dune. Like, like. It's super
12:14
weird. There's like a, the, the,
12:16
the box, there's like the box.
12:18
Well, but they say like, just,
12:20
there's like terminology from Dune as
12:22
well. But yeah, it's, um, the,
12:24
oh my God, I'm forgetting the
12:26
words, but like, the witch is,
12:28
yeah, it's the Gom Jibar, he
12:31
has to put his hand in
12:33
it, and she says that there's
12:35
pain in the box. I can't
12:37
remember if that's in the, but
12:39
it's the exact same shit from.
12:41
From Dune and and I I
12:43
want to know the story behind
12:46
that I'm sure I could just
12:48
look it up But like yeah,
12:50
I'm pretty sure because the fantasy
12:52
was one of those where the
12:54
like making of has like a
12:56
whole thing because it was yeah
12:58
a guy that threw together this
13:01
this project It was like a
13:03
really long script or something and
13:05
it ended up getting so there's
13:07
like stuff they filmed for the
13:09
first movie that was then used
13:11
for the second movie like it's
13:13
one of those where it was
13:15
it was it has like So
13:18
much on the cutting room floor
13:20
and so much extra stuff that
13:22
was not filmed and so much
13:24
like the script was changing all
13:26
the time and yada yada yada.
13:28
So I'm sure I'm sure if
13:30
you went out there and looked
13:33
you could hear I think his
13:35
name is Don Casquerelli I think
13:37
is the director of that movie.
13:39
You could probably find information about
13:41
his influences and I'm curious if
13:43
you would cop to the dune
13:45
thing. Yeah. Yeah. Well anyways. What
13:48
have you got for me this?
13:50
Nile Nile. I ended up finding
13:52
a UFO case that I found
13:54
interesting in Spain. And part of
13:56
what drew me to this is
13:58
that it was referencing, it got
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referenced another episode that we've already
14:03
done. It has some similar. to
14:05
the Vorenes UFO encounter in Russia.
14:07
But also this was, this is
14:09
one of the first times I've
14:11
seen it in Not America, there
14:13
is the like Spanish version of
14:15
like kind of Project Blue Book
14:17
or something called the CEO of
14:20
the EFO investigated this case and
14:22
there's rumors by certain people that
14:24
it was a misinformation thing in
14:26
a lot of the way that
14:28
Blue Book used to do stuff
14:30
in America. I haven't found a
14:32
lot of that kind of thing
14:35
outside of America yet and was
14:37
very curious to see it represented
14:39
in another country. Yeah, that's interesting.
14:41
I've heard of the CIFO I
14:43
do believe. And remind me, Verona's,
14:45
was that an abduction case or
14:48
like a citing? I can't, I
14:50
can't remember. It was a sighting.
14:52
It was a sighting. It's been
14:54
a while. So it was in...
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September 27th 1989 which this sighting
14:59
that I'm going to talk about
15:01
today took place in Spain on
15:03
September 29th 1989 so this is
15:06
like right there um but it
15:08
was you know boys playing in
15:10
a football in a city park
15:12
and they saw this thing in
15:15
the sky right there was this
15:17
deep red ball that was kind
15:19
of above and then a three-eyed
15:21
alien wearing like weird outfits and
15:24
stuff came down and had a
15:26
ray gun and stuff like it's
15:28
all of those like It's one
15:31
of the weirder UFO's like alien
15:33
sightings. I think it's really interesting.
15:35
So I the fact that this
15:37
was like a lot of times
15:40
gets brought up as a kind
15:42
of companion piece to the Voronez
15:44
encounter was a good chunk of
15:46
my interest in talking about this
15:49
one, honestly. Cool. I love that.
15:51
I think that this I think
15:53
that Veronez. also gets compared to
15:55
another case that we did not
15:58
like pretty pretty recently. But maybe
16:00
we'll be able to tease that
16:02
out, but I think it was
16:04
the guy, I think it may
16:07
have been the Cisco Grove encounter,
16:09
maybe? Oh yeah. Where the guy
16:11
hides up in the tree? Yeah,
16:13
because those were like metallic beings
16:16
too. Yes, it's about, yeah, the,
16:18
sorry, I guess they're compared insofar
16:20
as they have weird specific alien
16:22
types that don't reappear in other
16:25
stories, but like their closest. comparison
16:27
I think was Verona's was one
16:29
of the ones that got there's
16:31
also like there's like lumberjacks in
16:34
Europe that saw something similar like
16:36
a metallic man thing so I
16:38
love metal men aliens I think
16:40
they're so fucking cool it's great
16:43
so yeah these these aren't quite
16:45
metal men but there there are
16:47
some some stylistic similarities between the
16:49
beings in these two cases Let's,
16:52
we'll travel back to Spain in
16:54
September of 1989 to this, there's
16:56
a beach called Los Battales near
16:59
the town of Connell in Spain,
17:01
hence why it's called the Connell
17:03
case, or the Connell UFO encounter,
17:05
whatever you want to call it,
17:08
but that's what you'll find it
17:10
referred to as. And that literally,
17:12
like, a lot of times when
17:14
you see this, it'll talk about
17:17
how there were, there was a
17:19
magazine, I think it was like
17:21
the Spanish version of time. magazine
17:23
had an addition around this time
17:26
that literally said like they're here
17:28
with big like aliens on it
17:30
because of the foreigners encounter and
17:32
then immediately like stuff that are
17:35
happening in Spain too. And it's
17:37
it's a I don't know I
17:39
find that part interesting. So this
17:41
is one of those cases where
17:44
there's kind of a preamble to
17:46
it. It was the actual encounter.
17:48
is happens to like a group
17:50
of five friends between the ages
17:53
of 14 and 23. I think
17:55
the 14 is like a younger
17:57
brother or something. It's kind of
17:59
a group of young adults, I
18:02
guess, are the people that see
18:04
this encounter. And they are out
18:06
on a beach at night hanging
18:08
out at like between like 10
18:11
and 11 because leading up to
18:13
this. what kind of started the
18:15
interest is people started seeing lights
18:17
in the sky around this place
18:20
in Spain, specifically above this beach.
18:22
So there's a preamble here of
18:24
various other sightings, which I have
18:27
some accounts of later, where things
18:29
were seen leading up to this,
18:31
which led them to be on
18:33
the beach specifically looking for lights
18:36
in the sky and stuff when
18:38
this encounter happened. So like they
18:40
were specifically interested to go out
18:42
there to see an alien encounter
18:45
and they did Okay, that's some
18:47
Sort of colors the the situation
18:49
a little bit, but yeah, like
18:51
this really feels like it comes
18:54
out of this kind of This
18:56
interest born out of these other
18:58
encounters being in the news and
19:00
so like sure there's a bit
19:03
of that element to this whole
19:05
story which happens pretty frequently. It's
19:07
it's occurring to me that like
19:09
I don't, I feel like most
19:12
of our cases that we've covered
19:14
that aren't like contactees and abductees,
19:16
right? Are people who are like,
19:18
I'd never anticipated I would see
19:21
a UFO type people, like just,
19:23
you know, first timers, I guess,
19:25
is the word usually. It's interesting
19:27
to me that there would be
19:30
a case that would endure. where
19:32
it's like, it almost sounds like,
19:34
maybe this is me jumping, they
19:36
got a little bit, but it
19:39
almost sounds like this is, these
19:41
are people who were in the
19:43
middle of like a burgeoning UFO.
19:45
flap and they were like, we're
19:48
gonna get in on this. Yeah,
19:50
it has that vibe because there's,
19:52
there are these sightings leading up
19:54
to this that. people see it's
19:57
before this it's all lights in
19:59
the sky like lights in the
20:01
sky is what is happening that
20:04
leads to this interest and the
20:06
kids are have taken to or
20:08
the young adults what everyone call
20:10
them the group has taken to
20:13
hanging out on this beach at
20:15
night trying to look for the
20:17
lights and then so they've done
20:19
this multiple nights in a row
20:22
seeing lights like every time and
20:24
then yeah so yeah it really
20:26
feels like they are One of
20:28
the rare cases where people are
20:31
aware of like an aversioning UFO
20:33
flap. Yeah and are specifically looking
20:35
for it. The initial citing is
20:37
usually what endures as a story.
20:40
The citing that starts the flap.
20:42
So I mean, that's not like,
20:44
obviously that's not 100% true, but
20:46
like. Within a UFO flap, you
20:49
have like police stations and whatnot
20:51
and radio stations being flooded with
20:53
the like a deluge of calls
20:55
about sightings. So it's funny. I'm
20:58
curious what let what lets this
21:00
one sort of a surface. Yeah
21:02
among that because I'm assuming that's
21:04
the situation. Yeah, so I mean,
21:07
yeah, basically Hubub started around town
21:09
and people started to kind of
21:11
look out for this and so
21:13
they were out on the beach
21:16
multiple nights in a row. It
21:18
led to them, you know, they
21:20
went out first and with basically
21:22
just nothing. And over time, like
21:25
over, you know, the second and
21:27
third nights, they started to bring
21:29
like binoculars with them and stuff
21:32
like that. So they are specifically
21:34
equipped for this in a way
21:36
that a lot of people aren't
21:38
usually, which is also an interesting
21:41
wrinklekel to this whole thing. So
21:43
on the actual sighting, the sighting
21:45
night, it started about 945 at
21:47
night. They saw an object up
21:50
in the sky. It was this
21:52
kind of crescent shaped object with
21:54
red lights in the side, and
21:56
it was moving in complete silence
21:59
towards the. village of Connell de
22:01
la Fronterra which is where they're
22:03
from. It lasted around 30 minutes
22:05
and then after after that they
22:08
they noticed about 50 meters away
22:10
from them that there were these
22:12
beings which is new like before
22:14
this it's just light just the
22:17
first night where they start seeing
22:19
creatures. So the originally they see
22:21
two beings. that were about, like
22:23
I said, about 50 meters away
22:26
from them coming out of the
22:28
darkness and the being started to
22:30
walk towards them. And as they
22:32
got closer, they could tell and,
22:35
you know, use the monoculars and
22:37
all that kind of stuff, they
22:39
could tell that these beings were
22:41
not actually human. They were very
22:44
tall, exceeding two meters in height
22:46
and they dressed in these white
22:48
long robes that went all the
22:50
way down to the floor or,
22:53
you know, sand, whatever. And they
22:55
were also... Did they wear sandals
22:57
since I don't I don't think
23:00
they ever we ever get any
23:02
information about like what their footwear
23:04
or their feet there I like
23:06
The descriptions don't really have like
23:09
they're just in these like long
23:11
dresses and then and then they
23:13
have like kind of these are
23:15
in the kind of I guess
23:18
like tall whites kind of school
23:20
things where they're kind of, not
23:22
featureless, but kind of very minimally
23:24
featured faces that are kind of
23:27
smooth and white and kind of
23:29
gray like, but not fully, you
23:31
know? Yeah. Also just realizing that
23:33
I accidentally am making this like
23:36
a very foot forward episode. Yeah,
23:38
I I I was I was
23:40
trying to rain that back in
23:42
because I know that you know
23:45
You don't you wouldn't want to
23:47
look back on this episode and
23:49
listen have to listen You talk
23:51
about a bunch of feet when
23:54
you come back to to read
23:56
some people so Yeah, but I'm
23:58
talking about you personally because I
24:00
you're who I care about in
24:03
this kind Thank you And I
24:05
appreciate that about you now. Thank
24:07
you. So yeah, these things are
24:09
walking as they get described as
24:12
walking in as kind of a
24:14
halted, awkward manner. I didn't get
24:16
like a full description of what
24:18
this meant, but both their looks
24:21
and the way they are moving
24:23
leads these people to believe that
24:25
they are not human. They don't
24:28
really have like a lot of
24:30
defined. like no hair really at
24:32
all, and their facial features are
24:34
very minimal. As these creatures started
24:37
to walk towards them, they eventually
24:39
turned their backs on the young
24:41
people and started seemingly kind of
24:43
ignoring them and were looking out
24:46
at a light in the port
24:48
of this beach. And at this
24:50
point, the young people stopped and
24:52
were just kind of observing this
24:55
whole thing. And a small blue
24:57
sphere started to come down from
24:59
the sky within a short distance
25:01
of where these beings were standing.
25:04
And right when this happened, those
25:06
beings sat down in the sand
25:08
and started to dig what ended
25:10
up being when they went to
25:13
go look at it, a horseshoe
25:15
shaped mound. The beings then laid
25:17
down in the sand and they
25:19
started to bounce this lighted blue
25:22
sphere. at each other almost like
25:24
they're playing catch. Okay. Yeah, there's
25:26
there's some other details around this
25:28
like the differing accounts of this
25:31
that I read. Okay, let me
25:33
make this this caveat that I
25:35
haven't said yet because I told
25:37
you this before we started the
25:40
podcast. A lot of the accounts
25:42
of this that I found come
25:44
from Spanish language sources. So I
25:46
had to do a lot of
25:49
translation. So there's there's some like.
25:51
If the wording of things is
25:53
a little awkward sometimes, that's why.
25:56
because I'm trying to translate from
25:58
sources that are. You're not a
26:00
native Spanish speaker, is what you're
26:02
saying. And a lot of the
26:05
information you get from this, there's
26:07
a Spanish, a UFO researcher called
26:09
J.J. Benitez, who is one of
26:11
the main people that really has
26:14
written a book on this and
26:16
stuff and written a lot about
26:18
this a lot. Now, we will
26:20
talk about him a little bit
26:23
more later and whether or not.
26:25
he's someone that you should be
26:27
trusting within for information. But a
26:29
lot of the stuff that that
26:32
I am finding here, I've had
26:34
to translate. So if anything is
26:36
awkward, that's that's that's that's why.
26:38
Okay. Okay. So yeah, these this
26:41
being is these beings are kind
26:43
of laying down on the beach
26:45
playing with a blue ball. And.
26:47
This ball is about the size
26:50
of a tennis ball, supposedly, that
26:52
came down from the sky. I
26:54
don't know exactly what that is
26:56
supposed to be, but that's part
26:59
of it. So this is a
27:01
quote directly from J.J. Benitez, who
27:03
interviewed the witnesses. The beings with
27:05
their arms stuck to their bodies
27:08
in a clumsy gate, head towards
27:10
the group, panic spreads, and the
27:12
young people flee. The beings stop
27:14
and shortly after the boys do
27:17
the same. They are 20 or
27:19
30 meters away. The beings turn
27:21
and turn their backs on the
27:24
five witnesses. They seem to be
27:26
watching the red light that remains
27:28
motionless over the port of Connell.
27:30
At that moment, the locals see
27:33
what they call a shooting star
27:35
fall. It is a small light
27:37
like a tennis ball and of
27:39
a bluish white color. It appears
27:42
a few meters above the heads
27:44
of the beings and disappears when
27:46
it seemed it was going to
27:48
crash into them. Immediately afterwards, without
27:51
flinch, they sit down and... do
27:53
that mound and then they let
27:55
themselves fall on their backs still
27:57
stiff as sticks. So these people
28:00
keep moving very strangely. They're very
28:02
like stiff and rigid and awkward
28:04
in their movements, which when there's
28:06
a thing later that we'll talk
28:09
about this whole thing again when
28:11
a reveal later happens because it's
28:13
really, there's stuff about this case
28:15
that we're gonna talk about. Anyway,
28:18
so as they're playing with this
28:20
ball, the witnesses are still watching
28:22
them and they start to see.
28:24
something in the distance. There's kind
28:27
of a like a almost like
28:29
a bit of a fog coming
28:31
in and there's a dark figure
28:33
in that fog seemingly kind of
28:36
floating. This being is taller than
28:38
the other two that are lying
28:40
down on the sand still like
28:42
kind of you know cavorting and
28:45
this this being's clothing was all
28:47
black and he had this very
28:49
large white head with two large
28:52
black holes instead of eyes. And
28:54
so this is this seems to
28:56
be a different creature to some
28:58
degree. And you know, the witnesses
29:01
were kind of spooked by this.
29:03
They didn't really know what was
29:05
going on. And now there's like
29:07
a second weird being that's coming
29:10
at them. So they were starting
29:12
to debate like fucking high tailing
29:14
it out of there. But then
29:16
they saw this tall being coming
29:19
in and it just kind of
29:21
had disappeared. And when they looked
29:23
back, the two beings that had
29:25
been there, playing, so to speak,
29:28
now didn't look like they used
29:30
to and had become human. They
29:32
had become a man and a
29:34
woman with Nordic features. The man
29:37
was very tall and blonde. He
29:39
was wearing jeans and a t-shirt.
29:41
And the woman was also tall,
29:43
but shorter than the man, and
29:46
had long dark hair, and she
29:48
was wearing a long white skirt.
29:50
So this being, so how it
29:52
gets told in a lot of
29:55
these accounts is these two beings.
29:57
sit down and start passing this
29:59
blue ball back together, back and
30:01
forth, and they're laying down on
30:04
the sand. And this other being
30:06
comes out almost as if to
30:08
distract the witnesses so that these,
30:10
the two original beings can transform
30:13
into human form and then slip
30:15
away. Is this because, oh, sorry,
30:17
go ahead. Because like after this,
30:20
they, the, the, there's like confusion
30:22
with. all this stuff happening at
30:24
once and those two humanoids now
30:26
that the two human that were
30:29
on the beach slip basically into
30:31
the town and disappear like they
30:33
don't track them any further because
30:35
they lose track of them because
30:38
they're just random humans now like
30:40
so yeah they start these two
30:42
beings start to walk towards the
30:44
streets of Connell and as the
30:47
young people try to like Follow
30:49
and see where they're going they
30:51
see this this cloud coming and
30:53
that's that's when that other being
30:56
comes in and literally seems to
30:58
just run interference for them you
31:00
know like it's it's so here
31:02
I have I have a question
31:05
yeah does it seem from like
31:07
the original account wherever you're getting
31:09
it from is it like heavily
31:11
implied that that is what this
31:14
thing is do this this third
31:16
alien is doing or is it
31:18
like this is The person investigating
31:20
the story is like sort of
31:23
inferring based off of how things
31:25
play out Do you know what
31:27
I'm saying like I? I believe
31:29
the distraction angle is something that
31:32
Jay Jay Benitez Actually surmised from
31:34
everything He he is a researcher
31:36
that came in after the fact.
31:38
So he's he's not the first
31:41
person that like the first reporter
31:43
on the scene was a guy
31:45
named Juan Bermudez Who was an
31:48
acquaintance of these young people and
31:50
he I think was a reporter
31:52
for like a local paper or
31:54
something that that first started this
31:57
kind of case to go out,
31:59
which then brought in people like
32:01
Jade. Benitez who then did a
32:03
lot more deep dive research on
32:06
it and came to that conclusion
32:08
gotcha kind of distraction here's here's
32:10
the other thing that I want
32:12
to say yeah I always get
32:15
like with a good story of
32:17
encountering an alien I I always
32:19
get a little bit of a
32:21
like um I
32:24
don't want to use a phrase
32:26
as strong as chill run down
32:28
my spine, but it does kind
32:30
of give me the hairs standing
32:32
up on the back of your
32:35
next feeling when a story is
32:37
good, you know what I mean?
32:39
And something about like moving in
32:41
like a very inhuman way gets
32:43
to me. I re-watch this recently.
32:46
Do you remember the movie Pulse,
32:48
Cairo, the Japanese horror film? Yes,
32:50
I don't remember. I've only seen
32:52
it once many years ago, but
32:54
I do remember it. Okay, spoilers
32:56
if you haven't watched Pulse, but
32:59
not big ones. There's a moment
33:01
where one of the characters encounters
33:03
a ghost in a like, I
33:05
want to say it's like an
33:07
abandoned apartment. I think so, yeah.
33:10
And there's a moment where the
33:12
ghost starts walking towards... the character
33:14
and the ghost looks kind of
33:16
like a human just shrouded in
33:18
darkness with their hair kind of
33:20
sort of in their face like
33:23
you would kind of think of
33:25
but at one point it does
33:27
this thing completely for just for
33:29
no reason where the ghost sort
33:31
of like starts to move in
33:33
a way that it's just like
33:36
a human wouldn't do that for
33:38
any reason you know what I
33:40
mean like and I don't even
33:42
mean like it's like I don't
33:44
even know how to describe it.
33:47
It almost does this sort of
33:49
like weird... It's hard to explain.
33:51
A shimmy, if you will. That
33:53
doesn't look human. And it's like
33:55
one of the scarier moments of
33:57
the film. And that really really
34:00
gets to me. So if you
34:02
have an alien story where aliens
34:04
are doing some weird shit that
34:06
a human just like wouldn't, if
34:08
a human wouldn't move this way,
34:10
it gets, it's a little creepy
34:13
to me, I must say. I
34:15
agree, like the, but in a
34:17
fun way. Humanoid moving in an
34:19
inhuman manner is one of those
34:21
things that consistently hits for me
34:24
as like a scary trope. Um,
34:26
like, the, the end of rec
34:28
with that thing, you know, like,
34:30
yeah, there, or the tall, the
34:32
tall man in, it follows, it
34:34
follows, it, like, it's, it hits,
34:37
you know, that is, I think
34:39
I've said it on the podcast
34:41
many years ago, but that is
34:43
a moment that, it watching it,
34:45
I think in theaters. And any
34:47
subsequent watch of the moment in
34:50
it follows where the tall man
34:52
walks through the doorway, actually genuinely
34:54
sends a chill down my spine,
34:56
makes me feel really scared. That
34:58
one fucks with me. Yeah, for
35:01
sure. It's freaky. It's one of
35:03
those moments that as soon as
35:05
I brought up, that was the
35:07
moment I was thinking of. Like
35:09
it's, it is definitely that thing.
35:11
Okay. So do you want do
35:14
you want just this do you
35:16
ever just find something that you
35:18
can only find one place and
35:20
it's so buck wild that you
35:22
have to include it? Yes all
35:25
the time I think I have
35:27
to hunt down JJ Benitis's book
35:29
because if this is in that
35:31
book I want to read the
35:33
full account of it. But I
35:35
found this on a read it
35:38
post it was in response to
35:40
a post asking about the Connell.
35:42
case and this they gave kind
35:44
of a very brief synopsis of
35:46
what I've told you so far
35:48
and then this comment was like
35:51
buried in the comments below I
35:53
had to like expand fucking replies
35:55
to get this comment which was
35:57
it's wild because it rules. This
36:00
is only half of the story. The
36:02
Spanish uophologist J.J. Benita's arrived to Connell
36:04
the next day or the day after
36:07
and he met up with the witnesses.
36:09
He snooped around town and found out
36:11
the two human-looking shapeshifters had rented a
36:13
hotel room by taking the identity of
36:16
two Dutch engineers. Him in the witnesses
36:18
saw these two beings on the beach
36:20
again. They followed them and the two
36:22
humanoids started walking towards the water until
36:25
they disappeared into the sea. And then
36:27
JJ being there supposedly took a picture
36:29
of one of the footprints left by
36:32
the male looking being I saw it
36:34
in one of his books, which there
36:36
are footprints photos that you can find
36:38
on Benita's website and people who quote
36:41
Benita's website, but I thought those were
36:43
from the initial encounter not from a
36:45
multi-pull day later thing hunting down the
36:47
two humanoids that now were hiding as
36:50
Dutch engine. Like the... Randomly reading, oh
36:52
yeah, they rented a hotel room by
36:54
taking the identity of two Dutch engineers
36:56
in the middle of this story. I
36:59
was like, yeah. What are you, what?
37:01
That's crazy. How do you find that
37:03
out? Like yeah, you gotta, there has
37:05
to be a story behind that. But
37:08
the thing is you hear that and
37:10
it's like, you could definitely imagine. I
37:12
don't know, I don't know this Jay
37:15
Jay Bonita's person. So like, like, I
37:17
don't want to mischaracterize them or anything.
37:19
I have encountered the type, you know,
37:21
we've both encountered the type of UFO
37:24
researcher who will throw something wild like
37:26
that in and give you no explanation
37:28
about it. So it very well could
37:30
be that, but if there's more context,
37:33
that would be super interesting to read
37:35
the, because that shit's got to play
37:37
out like a fucking movie. Yeah, it's,
37:39
it's. It really is like a thriller
37:42
thing. So if anyone has a copy
37:44
of, I'm assuming that it's in this
37:46
book, it's called the fifth column by
37:49
J.J. Benita. Someone has a PDF or
37:51
a copy of that they want to
37:53
send to me. Feel free. Don't think
37:55
I didn't pick up on the fact
37:58
that you brought up feed again. With
38:01
the footprints. Oh, right. Yeah,
38:03
sorry I keep trying to
38:05
drag us back down into
38:07
the fucking mud with this
38:09
shit and I I'm sick
38:11
look I'm trying to stamp
38:13
all over all over this
38:15
podcast with feet talk So
38:18
So this this case initially
38:20
gets reported like I said
38:22
through seemingly through a person
38:24
in one Bermuda's There was
38:26
a, on October 5th, 1989,
38:28
there was a report entitled
38:30
Five Young People Claimed to
38:32
have witnessed the transformation of
38:34
two aliens into humans in
38:36
the Diario de Cadiz newspaper.
38:38
So that's the first actual
38:40
reporting on this that actually
38:42
went out, which brings, which
38:44
I makes me curious how
38:46
in the comment that I
38:48
just was talking about, how
38:50
Benita's got there within a
38:52
day or two, because like.
38:54
the actual report doesn't come
38:56
out until October 5th. Oh,
38:58
so that's like a full
39:00
week later. So I, that's
39:02
why I wanted to give
39:04
a lot of caveats to
39:06
that comment because there are
39:08
things about it that even
39:10
as someone who just has
39:12
read about this for like
39:14
a couple days don't quite
39:16
feel like they track. Yeah.
39:18
So, you know, whatever. And
39:20
then especially when you start
39:22
reading about Jay, Benides, you
39:25
might start to have some.
39:27
some other hesitations I guess.
39:29
So let's talk about JJ
39:31
Panides because I think he's
39:33
an interesting person that honestly
39:35
might end up getting his
39:37
own episode at some point
39:39
in the future. So he
39:41
is a Spanish journalist and
39:43
writer basically studying uophology as
39:45
his main kind of main
39:47
area of expertise. However, he
39:49
did publish a novel saga
39:51
called Cabillo de Troya. where
39:53
he recounts a journey back
39:55
in time to the time
39:57
of Jesus carried out in
39:59
the 1970s by the United
40:01
States military. I suppose like
40:03
a trilogy of books that
40:05
that he wrote that I
40:07
now I'm very curious what
40:09
the fuck that is because
40:11
there's a It sounds like
40:13
what was it was it
40:15
project Pegasus? Yeah, it sounds
40:17
like or I think that's
40:19
the right one which one's
40:21
the one where the guy
40:23
claims to have gone back
40:25
in time and met Jesus?
40:27
I mean, yeah, project Pegasus
40:29
is yeah, because they they
40:32
went on the Because there,
40:34
like, there are two things
40:36
that I've covered that have
40:38
dealt with. Well, there's the
40:40
Kronovizers, right? There's the Kronovizer,
40:42
and then there's Project Pegasus.
40:44
So I was thinking of
40:46
the two of those. And
40:48
military 1970s would be, you
40:50
know, our good, our good,
40:52
big cheese Bociago himself. That's
40:54
a, that's such a wild.
40:56
That must feel wild. Somebody
40:58
asks you, what's that one
41:00
about the guy who went
41:02
back in time to meet
41:04
Jesus and you're like, you're
41:06
gonna have to be more
41:08
specific? Yeah, there are two.
41:10
Well, there's three now, apparently.
41:12
Well, I guess this is
41:14
a fiction book, huh? This
41:16
is supposedly fiction, but he...
41:18
Is he one of those
41:20
guys who's like, it's fiction,
41:22
but the truth is just
41:24
underneath the surface? I wouldn't
41:26
be surprised if that's the
41:28
case with those books if
41:30
you dug into his take
41:32
on them. They're viewed as
41:34
fiction most places on the
41:36
internet, but he has, most
41:39
of his like 50 books
41:41
are quote nonfiction about UFOs.
41:43
He has been proponents of
41:45
such theories as that a
41:47
magical power allowed the statues
41:49
of Easter Island to be
41:51
transported to their final location.
41:53
The Dogon people had contact
41:55
with extraterrestrials in the past
41:57
and a good old favorite,
41:59
the Ark of Covenant is
42:01
a weapon of mass destruction.
42:03
Okay, so we're full woo-woo
42:05
territory here. Yeah, okay. Also,
42:07
Man and Dinosaur coexisted, all
42:09
that kind of stuff. One
42:11
of his, one of the
42:13
quotes that you'll find attributed
42:15
to him is, science is
42:17
very important. but the heart
42:19
is even 1100 page version
42:21
of the Bible where they
42:23
expand on the Bible to
42:25
have interplanetary intergalactic Christ's on
42:27
multiple planets. And it's a
42:29
book that is read and
42:31
utilized as scripture by the
42:33
cult that founded Sleepy Time
42:35
Tea. There you go. I
42:37
did an episode on that
42:39
shit. Oh my God. That's
42:41
awesome. So. Yeah, it's it's
42:43
a he didn't of course
42:46
denied accusation so those of
42:48
that plagiarism But it it
42:50
seems like he did just
42:52
copy stuff whole cloth from
42:54
there He also has been
42:56
accused of fraud sure such
42:58
as in a video where
43:00
he presented He's presented this
43:02
video that ended up being
43:04
of like aliens of alien
43:06
stuff that ended up being
43:08
tied to an animation studio
43:10
that he hired to make
43:12
this video. And he crafted
43:14
a whole backstory about his
43:16
source being the CIA spy
43:18
that was later proven to
43:20
have never existed. So there's
43:22
an episode of a series
43:24
called Planeta and Kantado that
43:26
he was kind of the
43:28
focus of that he seemingly
43:30
made up whole cloth. Nice.
43:32
paid paid an animation studio
43:34
to create his his visual
43:36
aids So that I just
43:38
wanted to quickly run down
43:40
a little bit of Jaygy
43:42
Bonita's highlights because I think
43:44
when you look at that
43:46
it it it it kind
43:48
of He is the main
43:50
person that is putting out
43:53
this theory that the GEIFO
43:55
is covering up this whole
43:57
thing and there's a there
43:59
is an explanation quote-unquote there's
44:01
an official narrative on what
44:03
happened here that I will
44:05
get to here shortly and
44:07
he heavily disputes that and
44:09
has a whole thing on
44:11
his website piece by piece
44:13
like so it's based around
44:15
there there was a ship
44:17
that was out at sea
44:19
that was kind of off
44:21
course due to some wind
44:23
conditions and stuff that had
44:25
that was supposedly held divers
44:27
and so divers losing track
44:29
of where they were in
44:31
unkind conditions coming up onto
44:33
the shore at this beach
44:35
is what the kind of
44:37
official narrative of this thing
44:39
is it it was oh
44:41
that that's the explanation for
44:43
what happened here yeah so
44:45
they like the the change
44:47
here was They're originally coming
44:49
up in wet suits effectively
44:51
and like dive on here
44:53
and then they took those
44:55
off and had human clothing
44:58
underneath and walked into the
45:00
city. That makes a hilarious
45:02
amount of sense actually. Okay.
45:04
Yeah. Okay. However, there you
45:06
can find a very. His
45:08
whole thing is based around.
45:10
There were these official reports
45:12
and there was also, based
45:14
on those reports, there were
45:16
these magazine articles, they were
45:18
kind of taking him to
45:20
task specifically, like his theories
45:22
and trying to, you know,
45:24
disprove his theories. So he
45:26
went through and he found,
45:28
supposedly, the actual captain of
45:30
that vessel that was supposedly
45:32
responsible for all of this.
45:34
To confirm that they weren't
45:36
actually near this beach at
45:38
the time. And so he
45:40
has pictures of himself posing
45:42
with this captain to prove
45:44
that he met him. And
45:46
then the captain claims that
45:48
no one from the GEOFO
45:50
actually ever contacted him to
45:52
talk about this. So all
45:54
the quotes attributed to him
45:56
in the official report are
45:58
faked. Oh my God. Okay.
46:00
So that's like a quick,
46:02
that's like a quick, there's
46:05
like other things that he'll
46:07
point to that are that
46:09
are fake as well. Like
46:11
he tries to like a
46:13
hundred proofs against flat earth
46:15
this whole thing where he's
46:17
like point by point going
46:19
through people trying to discredit
46:21
him and rebutting everything he
46:23
can with pictures and diagrams
46:25
and supposed research and all
46:27
this stuff. It's a very
46:29
I'm not owned kind of
46:31
article but it's also interesting.
46:33
You know God it's it's
46:35
fraud and and and and
46:37
shit like this it's just
46:39
part and parcel of UFO
46:41
stuff and like here's the
46:43
thing. I try to be
46:45
more open to a lot
46:47
of UFO stuff that I
46:49
hear. Especially like I'm obviously
46:51
a little less open to
46:53
like stories of people encountering
46:55
like crazy aliens who come
46:57
up to them and you
46:59
know take me to your
47:01
leader type shit. Some of
47:03
that I do you know
47:05
I anyways point point that
47:07
I'm trying to get at.
47:09
You could see how a
47:12
couple of young guys hopped
47:14
up on UFO experiencing juice
47:16
going to the beach at
47:18
night would freak out at
47:20
like divers coming to shore,
47:22
right? Like exactly as you
47:24
described. It's very similar to
47:26
the sightings that you can
47:28
look at as like heat
47:30
suits. Where it's like someone
47:32
is wearing a thing they're
47:34
not used to seeing, it's
47:36
dark and it spooks them.
47:38
You know, it makes some
47:40
sense. Also, this reminded me
47:42
of it, and I don't
47:44
know if you've, have you
47:46
ever seen, speaking of fraud,
47:48
you, okay, good start, have
47:50
you ever seen, and folks,
47:52
if you know who this
47:54
is, if you haven't seen
47:56
this, you should look this
47:58
up, have you ever seen
48:00
the saga of Linda Moulton
48:02
Howe, trying. to pass off
48:04
a photo of an alien,
48:06
which Linna Moulton How, the
48:08
woman behind, I think it's
48:10
called Strange Harvest, which is
48:12
the, like cattle mutilation documentary,
48:14
the very famous one from
48:16
the 70s, she's kind of
48:19
been... ingrained in UFO
48:21
culture stuff for the last couple
48:23
decades and all that but She
48:25
I think I think has a
48:28
podcast now. Yeah It's like four
48:30
hours long every episode. Yeah, you
48:32
can't find Any sort of like
48:35
synopsis at all it's just like
48:37
you have to listen to four
48:39
hours Yeah, I'm not fucking doing
48:42
that but she I am interested
48:44
in her as a character in
48:46
the UFO scene and there is
48:49
a thing where she fucking She
48:51
tried to pass off this photo
48:53
of an alien, somebody else we
48:56
know is involved with this situation.
48:58
She tries to pass off this
49:00
photo that I think may have
49:03
been fed to her by somebody
49:05
and she's like this is a
49:07
real photo of an extraterrestrial that
49:10
we captured in this whatever scenario
49:12
that we were in. And people
49:14
like very quickly are like, yeah,
49:17
that's like the box cover art
49:19
for Xcom. the video game. And
49:21
she like would, I hate to
49:24
say it, but I think she
49:26
was a little convinced that it
49:28
was a photo of an alien
49:31
only in so far as she
49:33
was like hasty to try and
49:35
like concoct a story about how
49:38
this was legitimate alien. imagery or
49:40
whatever you know it's like anyways
49:42
yeah just just made me think
49:45
of that just you know fraud's
49:47
doing fraud shit it's it's it's
49:49
you can't it's in inescapable it's
49:52
it's a yeah you're gonna find
49:54
a lot of that out there
49:56
because any there's a lot of
49:59
okay I we lately have been
50:01
railing against disinformation and talking about
50:03
like you know government's impact at
50:05
trying like especially the American
50:08
government trying to keep people
50:10
in the dark and just trying to
50:12
spin extra stuff to make things a
50:14
lot more complicated to figure out the
50:16
truth and just try to hide hide
50:18
hide hide hide hide so like I
50:20
never want to fall down the side
50:22
of like accepting the official story on
50:25
one of these things because it
50:27
probably, even if the actual
50:29
thing that happened was harmless and
50:31
not aliens at all, they still
50:34
probably are not telling you what
50:36
actually happened because it's, it's, you
50:38
know, a matter of, you know, national
50:40
security or whatever. But I also
50:42
don't 100% believe Jay, Jay, Panides
50:44
either. Sure. You know, you have
50:47
like more. Stuff about that. So
50:49
the actual investigation of
50:51
this started on on October 7th
50:53
when the GEIFO came to Connell
50:55
and interviewed the young people that
50:57
witnessed this encounter. They also
51:00
performed an investigation on the
51:02
beach at Los Battales and
51:04
some various other pretty well-known
51:06
uophologists in the area came
51:08
to Connell, including a man
51:10
named Hazus Burego, who also interviewed
51:13
these young people. And Hazus seemed
51:15
to have fallen more on the
51:17
side. of the GEIFO, that this was a
51:19
case of kind of mistaken normal things,
51:21
and it wasn't actually, you know,
51:23
anything extraterrestrial or supernatural or anything
51:25
like that. The official account by
51:28
the GEIFO is that these young
51:30
people were heavily influenced by the
51:32
news based on the the Voronez
51:34
case, and they mistook normal situations
51:36
in this case, in this case,
51:38
in this case, in this case,
51:40
in this case, in this case,
51:42
in this case, in this case,
51:44
in this case, the divers, the
51:46
diversified coming off of the ship,
51:48
the CS monarch, and like
51:51
there, so this, the the lights
51:53
that people were seeing were
51:55
from the ship and the
51:58
beings that those, that these
52:00
people saw were divers that
52:02
were unintentionally ended up on
52:04
this beach. And so they've
52:06
just mistook these people that
52:08
way. It's a very clean
52:11
explanation. In fact, I'm gonna go
52:13
ahead and say it's too clean. I
52:15
think these were aliens, Nile. Yeah,
52:17
like I think this is
52:19
some shapeshifting aliens because
52:22
if you if you ask the captain
52:24
of this vessel, the CS monarch,
52:26
where they were. they were actually like
52:28
53 kilometers from where the
52:30
beach was like they were like quite
52:33
a ways away and he got it
52:35
down to like I think he requisitioned
52:37
the records of this company
52:39
that owned the CS monarch
52:42
and got like the actual
52:44
GPS coordinates or not
52:46
not GPS because this
52:48
was 1989 whatever the
52:50
like positioning coordinates at these
52:53
times that were in the logbook,
52:55
like he got copies of the
52:57
actual logbook of the CS monarch,
53:00
and it does show, as far
53:02
as you can believe from him,
53:04
that this ship was much further
53:07
away than the people calculated,
53:10
and it wasn't really that
53:12
close to this beach. Now. How
53:14
much I can trust those
53:17
documents on his website if
53:19
he's like whole cloth just
53:21
like taking pages of your
53:23
your ancha book and putting
53:25
them in his works? I
53:28
don't know. Yeah, but that's
53:30
that's the the evidence that
53:32
he supposedly has is he
53:34
requisitioned actual records from
53:36
the company that owns the ship
53:39
and also that they and all
53:41
of that tied together showed that
53:43
the ship was not actually nearly
53:45
as close to this beach as
53:48
was previously thought and because of that
53:50
it was much less likely that those
53:52
divers would have actually made it there
53:54
in time with the like timing of
53:56
everything it doesn't make sense they were
53:58
there but they were like little further
54:00
away and so you know QED. Yeah
54:03
it's it's so that's that's the
54:05
thing now there's another thing
54:07
that I didn't find a
54:09
shit ton of information about
54:11
because I think that I
54:13
would have to do some
54:16
digging on a lot of
54:18
Spanish language UFO websites to
54:20
find information about this but
54:22
there's this specific beach at
54:24
at near Connell Los Patales.
54:27
Supposedly is kind of
54:29
a at a point between to
54:32
like Spain and like France maybe
54:34
and there's like military
54:37
bases around here that
54:39
the kind of insinuation
54:41
that I was finding that
54:43
I could not find a
54:45
lot of actual information
54:47
to back this up
54:50
is that the official
54:52
story is a disinformation
54:54
covering up some military
54:56
action. much like you would
54:58
find in America. It's the
55:00
military base at Al Jazeera is the
55:03
one that is supposedly close by
55:05
to here. And that's actually the
55:07
radar at that base is one
55:09
of the places that people have
55:12
tried to look at to find
55:14
corroboration of these lights. And even
55:16
like local police officers had seen
55:18
the lights and they checked with
55:20
the military base and the radar
55:22
didn't pick up anything. So like.
55:25
People think that this
55:28
military base is involved
55:30
somehow, but no one
55:32
I didn't find a
55:34
lot of Specific information
55:36
as to what the
55:38
thing they were covering up
55:40
was you know, yeah, I Yeah, I The
55:42
thing is I could see it but
55:44
it is weird to like
55:46
have not a lot to
55:48
go on other than some
55:50
murmurs online. It's sort of like
55:53
how I'm always trying to
55:55
find more information on the
55:58
idea that the Viles bow us. case
56:00
has like connective tissue
56:02
to MK Ultra style experiments. You
56:04
know what I mean? Like, which
56:06
is a thing that I've read,
56:09
but don't have a lot of
56:11
information about. Yeah. Yeah, interesting.
56:13
It's, it's, it's one of those,
56:15
that's, that's the shit that I
56:18
would love to find a bunch
56:20
of information on. Like the, what the
56:22
actual cover ups were covering
56:24
up. Yeah. And that's the
56:26
hardest stuff to find. So
56:28
there are a couple, like
56:30
I mentioned earlier, there are
56:32
a couple scattered sightings tied to
56:35
this that kind of flesh out
56:37
the timeline here. And we'll just,
56:39
we'll kind of probably
56:42
end with those. So a couple days
56:44
before the 29th, This is from a
56:46
person named Pedro Gonzales, who was one
56:48
of the people that cited these craft.
56:50
A few days before September 29th, a
56:52
couple of friends who had come from
56:54
Madrid told me they were driving their
56:56
car along the road next to Los
56:58
Battales Beach. When they were about to
57:00
get out of the vehicle, they saw
57:02
a white van arrive and seven people
57:04
in perfect clothes got out. One of
57:06
them approached the Madrid couple's car to
57:08
ask for their papers. Apparently they were
57:10
police officers and they told them to
57:13
get out of there. tied to a
57:15
lot of the the kind of lights
57:17
that people are seeing in the sky
57:19
so that and kind of seeding the
57:21
idea that there were some sort of
57:23
disinformation opposition happening at this time.
57:25
Local police actually saw lights as
57:28
well in the area at that
57:30
time period and there's a police
57:32
report that that stated It
57:34
was observed that in the vicinity of the
57:36
telephonica, there were two large spotlights flying overhead.
57:39
As we headed towards the location along the
57:41
Pago del Sora Road, we stopped at the
57:43
height of the campsite called Los Yucalyptos to
57:45
observe the spotlights. It was observed that the
57:47
spotlights were off and no noise of any
57:50
kind of aircraft in flight could be heard.
57:52
The spotlights immediately went out. This strange light
57:54
reacted to the presence of the presence of
57:56
the officers, turning into a small dim spotlight
57:58
that was almost imperceptible. then heading
58:00
in the direction where they
58:03
had previously been shining from
58:05
the vicinity of telephonica to
58:07
about 500 meters past the
58:09
military base. This could be
58:11
observed for approximately
58:13
60 to 90 seconds. And then
58:15
there's even another thing with
58:17
the witnesses of the initial
58:20
encounter in mid-October of the
58:22
same year, where they saw another
58:24
thing on the same beach with
58:26
the guy, Hazos Burego, the UFO
58:28
Investigator. that they gave
58:30
testimony to this fact on a radio
58:32
program. They saw a couple going down
58:34
to Los Patel's beach, the same beach
58:37
that they had seen previously, and they
58:39
recognized the humanoids that they had seen
58:41
two weeks earlier, and they followed them and
58:44
saw how they disappeared into the sea. So
58:46
this is the thing that I found weird,
58:48
because other than the Dutch engineer angle,
58:50
that's basically the story that Jay
58:52
Jay Bannita's, that that guy was
58:54
saying was in Jay Jay Bannida's
58:57
book. Like, that they came later,
58:59
saw them on the beach, and
59:01
then the beings disappeared into
59:03
the sea. And this is a
59:06
thing that, like, I don't, I don't
59:08
know where, which one is the
59:10
original, you know? I don't know
59:12
what the original account of that
59:15
is, but it comes up
59:17
two different ways. You know? Yeah,
59:19
I know what you mean. I would
59:21
sort of assume. I mean you
59:24
were saying that Benita's claims that
59:26
he was there like the next
59:28
day right like investigating
59:30
things. Yeah and there's inconsistent thing
59:32
later was a couple days after
59:34
that like he was there for
59:37
a little stretch of time right
59:39
right but usually with these
59:41
things it's like if it's like reported
59:44
in like a newspaper I kind of
59:46
take that as the first.
59:48
reporting, you know, I guess
59:50
it just it just depends, you
59:52
know, it really depends. That
59:55
is weird to have
59:57
the inconsistencies in the
59:59
timeline. though and it would
1:00:01
also drive me nuts trying to
1:00:03
figure out what game first because
1:00:05
it's it's not it's it's the
1:00:08
fact that it's the same
1:00:10
story by two different UFO
1:00:12
researchers right one with more detail
1:00:14
than the other and the timeline
1:00:16
it's like it's it's like bafflingly
1:00:19
close yeah and it also does
1:00:21
help that like one of the
1:00:23
people who has more detail has
1:00:26
a tendency to like you know
1:00:28
Steal other people's information
1:00:30
and also I don't
1:00:32
know it just extra details
1:00:34
that are very strange
1:00:37
that you like you said there
1:00:39
you didn't find anything I
1:00:42
mean maybe there's like an
1:00:44
entire fucking like a
1:00:46
big nice juicy set of
1:00:48
context that you just don't
1:00:50
have because it's you know
1:00:53
not on the English web
1:00:55
So that's also the other
1:00:57
problem. There's also, there seem to
1:00:59
be some people that are pushing
1:01:02
the idea that Connell is like
1:01:04
one of those, whatever we called
1:01:06
them, where there's like a
1:01:08
portal there that high strangeness
1:01:10
happens. Sure, it's a, yeah,
1:01:12
okay. Because like, there's some
1:01:15
other stuff that happens since
1:01:17
that people have looked at,
1:01:19
like, there are reports that. people
1:01:21
saw other beings like later like
1:01:23
not not in the same exact
1:01:25
time period like years later in
1:01:27
the same areas and I don't they're
1:01:29
not heavily reported on they're
1:01:32
just like these random websites that kind
1:01:34
of try to tie it all together
1:01:37
into this thing that like Kana is
1:01:39
like a nexus point for the strange
1:01:41
and it's just one of those things
1:01:43
that I don't really know what to
1:01:46
do let me like offer up a
1:01:48
counterpoint to there being nexus points of
1:01:50
the strange Anywhere can
1:01:52
be a nexus of
1:01:54
high strangeness if you
1:01:57
work hard enough at
1:01:59
it. That's my take
1:02:01
that as a little bit
1:02:04
of advice listeners
1:02:06
and What's his name
1:02:08
Benitez? Think about
1:02:11
that? Write that down Yeah
1:02:13
So yeah, that's that's
1:02:16
the basic rundown of
1:02:18
the Conil case or
1:02:20
you know a pretty fun UFO
1:02:23
case from the late 1980s
1:02:25
in Spain. Yeah. And the
1:02:27
first time I've seen another
1:02:29
government that's not the United
1:02:31
States government supposed to get
1:02:33
accused of this information of
1:02:36
this info cover-ups. Yeah. No,
1:02:38
it's interesting. I think I've seen
1:02:40
some of that in like Russia before.
1:02:42
But no, Spain. That's that's that's a
1:02:44
new one. I would. It's one of
1:02:47
those things where like I do wonder how
1:02:49
much of that type of stuff. is
1:02:51
locked behind a language barrier for
1:02:53
us. But it's a good story.
1:02:56
It's also another one of the
1:02:58
stories. It's very funny that it's like,
1:03:00
if you think about it, it's
1:03:02
maybe a 10 minute discussion in reality,
1:03:04
if it weren't for the fact that
1:03:07
this one UFO researcher adds a whole
1:03:09
bunch of layers to it for a
1:03:11
lot of different reasons. It's
1:03:14
one of those things that
1:03:16
very well, probably could have
1:03:18
faded into obscurity. But one guy
1:03:20
has decided and probably I think there's
1:03:22
a couple other people out there that
1:03:25
do talk about this case not just
1:03:27
Benitez, but He's a lynch's really kind
1:03:29
of apps. Yeah, he's really waived this
1:03:32
flag in a way that has made
1:03:34
this case persist You know what God
1:03:36
God bless for the UFO researchers
1:03:39
who are like I am about this
1:03:41
one story big time Mm-hmm. I kind
1:03:43
of get it Yeah, I mean when something
1:03:45
grabs your imagination I
1:03:47
get your imagination I get it true
1:03:49
uh you know then that's that's the
1:03:51
the kind of sincere take on what
1:03:53
happened here and if it happens to
1:03:55
also grab your bank account then so
1:03:57
be it you know that's that's there
1:03:59
you go kind of a nice bonus,
1:04:01
a plus. Yeah. If that book that
1:04:03
you lifted from someone
1:04:06
else's. If that, yeah. Exactly. Oh
1:04:08
man. So at what point, at
1:04:10
what point does, do we, do
1:04:12
we say things that would, would
1:04:14
get us in trouble? I think,
1:04:16
Benita's, you know, if Benita's listens
1:04:19
to this, he knows it's all
1:04:21
in good fun and we're joking.
1:04:23
Yeah, we, we, we, we'll see
1:04:25
him, we'll see him for pool
1:04:27
this weekend. Yeah. So, I guess. That'll
1:04:29
take us to a big question.
1:04:31
There was a big question that
1:04:33
we talked about earlier that you
1:04:35
haven't, I don't know yet. Is
1:04:37
that something that would fit here?
1:04:40
Um, it's not really. Okay. But
1:04:42
it's up to you. I mean,
1:04:44
I'm happy to do it. But
1:04:46
if you have a big question
1:04:48
that you're ready and willing
1:04:50
to serve up piping hot, then I
1:04:52
can do that too. You know what?
1:04:55
Let's just do Jacobs. Let's just do
1:04:57
Jacobs. but it is in the sort
1:04:59
of like cover up. It is, it's,
1:05:01
it's, it's, it's more about, all right,
1:05:03
you know, I'm just gonna fucking read
1:05:06
it, I don't need to preamble.
1:05:08
Since talk of presidents doing
1:05:10
drugs in the White House was
1:05:12
thrown into the ring last episode,
1:05:14
which this is Mary Meyer and
1:05:16
JFK doing weed, doing weed in
1:05:19
the White House supposedly, you've become
1:05:21
president in your first order of
1:05:23
business is to feel good in
1:05:25
the oval office. What drug of
1:05:27
choice real or fictional would you want
1:05:29
to try to ease your diplomatic nerves?
1:05:32
Forgive me if this question has already
1:05:34
been asked. I can't remember. I don't
1:05:36
think so. Jacob says. That's such like
1:05:38
I respect I respect that totally not
1:05:41
laughing at you Jacob. It's just funny
1:05:43
to think someone in our podcast is
1:05:45
like this is listening to our show
1:05:47
is like. Has this been asked before?
1:05:50
I'm not sure. That question? All right.
1:05:52
They end by saying, I'll go first.
1:05:54
I've been watching a lot of Instagram
1:05:56
reels of Skyrim, so I'd try out
1:05:59
some skuma. Hey. I'm sure that saying
1:06:01
that you're watching a lot
1:06:03
of Instagram reels of
1:06:05
Skyrim is revealing about
1:06:07
you as a person, but I
1:06:10
don't know enough about Skyrim to
1:06:12
really like make that call. Yeah,
1:06:14
somehow you have submitted this
1:06:17
question to the two people
1:06:19
who are largely in the nerd
1:06:21
sphere that have not played Skyrim.
1:06:23
But hey, good on you. No,
1:06:26
that's, sorry. Just joking around. I
1:06:28
have an answer for this, I
1:06:30
don't know about you. I'm still
1:06:33
figuring it out, because I, oh,
1:06:35
no, I think, okay, go ahead.
1:06:37
So I'm a huge Philip K.
1:06:39
Dick fan. One might even
1:06:41
call me a dickhead. And
1:06:43
one of my favorites was
1:06:46
the three stigmata of Palmer
1:06:48
Eldridge. And in that book,
1:06:50
they, it's basically, there's so
1:06:52
many things in that
1:06:55
book that are so fucking
1:06:57
bleak. conceits of the book
1:06:59
is that life on earth has
1:07:01
become mostly inhospitable due
1:07:03
to the sun like
1:07:06
basically global warming. And
1:07:08
so people can't like really
1:07:10
live on the surface so much and
1:07:13
if they do go on the
1:07:15
surface they wear these like suits
1:07:17
that like I think like circulate
1:07:19
cool water to keep them
1:07:21
from overheating and then they
1:07:23
mostly live underground and then
1:07:26
a significant amount of the
1:07:28
human population has been sent off
1:07:30
planet. But if you are an
1:07:33
off planet person, you're living, you're
1:07:35
in your fucking destitute, it's a
1:07:37
bad time to live off planet,
1:07:39
you're gotten, you don't have a
1:07:41
lot, shit's terrible off planet. And
1:07:44
so people get into this drug
1:07:46
called candy. C-A-N-D. That's
1:07:49
like, basically
1:07:51
lets you live
1:07:53
your preferred
1:07:56
optimal experience.
1:08:00
Like, okay, let me put it this
1:08:02
way. One of the guys at the
1:08:04
start of the book takes the
1:08:06
drug. And there's also this
1:08:09
whole thing where they like, they
1:08:11
basically like, um, furnish
1:08:13
your space with these like,
1:08:15
these various things to like
1:08:18
enhance the, the drug taking
1:08:20
experience because you
1:08:22
basically are mentally
1:08:24
transported to a world where
1:08:27
you're living, your dream
1:08:29
life. Like the guy takes the
1:08:31
drug while he's like on this horrible
1:08:33
planet that sucks and It may have
1:08:35
been Mars. I can't remember but he
1:08:38
basically is like in his drug trip
1:08:40
He's living in a mansion and he's
1:08:42
like going to beat the beach with
1:08:44
this like beautiful woman that he loves
1:08:47
and stuff and and it's it's all
1:08:49
like fantastic and they like They
1:08:51
there's like a business that will
1:08:53
sell the props that you can
1:08:55
like position in your house for
1:08:57
when you're doing your candy trips
1:08:59
Interesting, okay. It's
1:09:01
really good. I really love that
1:09:04
book. And I'm just sort of
1:09:06
thinking about the native props of
1:09:08
being in the White House, the,
1:09:11
the, the, the, the, the fucking
1:09:13
oval office and all the
1:09:16
shit that's in there. That would
1:09:18
be like great props for
1:09:20
when I'm doing this drug
1:09:22
trip, you know. Yeah, you would see
1:09:24
some real weird shit with all the
1:09:26
like bald eagles. Yeah, bald eagles and
1:09:29
everything. Yeah, exactly. And I'm like fucking,
1:09:31
the ghost of Abraham Lincoln's kind
1:09:33
of coming out of the mirror to give
1:09:35
me advice on like all kinds of shit. I'm
1:09:37
talking to Abe Lincoln and he's, you know,
1:09:39
doffing his cap and you see there's
1:09:41
a big bullet hole in his his
1:09:43
his head and stuff and he's just
1:09:45
he's just spitting wisdom. And that's the
1:09:47
kind of shit I want to experience
1:09:49
I want to experience, I want to
1:09:51
experience, I guess. There you. So I
1:09:54
this this you talking about
1:09:56
that jogged something in
1:09:58
my memory that isn't
1:10:00
actually directly my answer to
1:10:03
this question that I think is funny
1:10:05
so I'm gonna bring it up. Sure.
1:10:07
There is a there's a judge dread
1:10:10
story that I really like where the
1:10:12
crux of the story is this
1:10:14
company makes this candy that's like
1:10:16
so good and so addictive that
1:10:19
it's like actually like ruining people's
1:10:21
lives. and like getting people so
1:10:23
addicted and everything and the the
1:10:25
culmination I was and I started
1:10:27
thinking about that with like getting
1:10:29
fucking Ronald Reagan and his jelly
1:10:32
bellies like to swap out the
1:10:34
jelly bellies with this thing and
1:10:36
then if I remember correctly the
1:10:38
end of that story is Judge
1:10:40
Dread firing the people who make this
1:10:43
candy the person that invented it up
1:10:45
in like sending him on a ship
1:10:47
up to into space to never come
1:10:49
back to earth like he literally is
1:10:51
like you're you're the thing you created
1:10:53
is so dangerous for for humanity oh
1:10:56
my god they plan anything that they
1:10:58
like fire him into space that's so
1:11:00
funny wow but anyway I read some
1:11:02
judge dread Fun enough both of
1:11:05
the things that I thought of
1:11:07
are from various things of Judge
1:11:09
Dread because I I want to
1:11:11
take from the the Alex Garland
1:11:13
Dread movie. There's a drug called
1:11:15
Slomo. Oh my god, right. Yeah
1:11:17
is is just a cinematic device.
1:11:19
It's it's like you get to
1:11:21
enter Snyder time. Yeah, you take
1:11:24
it and everything slows down and
1:11:26
gets sparkily and like really interesting
1:11:28
visually and like allows them just
1:11:30
to like go wild with visual
1:11:32
effects. And but it's also like
1:11:34
a euphoric thing. So I want to
1:11:36
take Slomo and go bowling in the
1:11:38
what in the White House bowling alley,
1:11:41
you know, I think that would be like
1:11:43
I got there's like a there is a
1:11:45
bowling alley there isn't there. Yeah, they
1:11:47
got a bowling alley in a movie theater.
1:11:50
So I think like I would I would take
1:11:52
Slomo and go and just like vibe
1:11:54
in the fucking White House bowling alley.
1:11:56
Okay, I can I can get down
1:11:58
with that. Do you. I think that
1:12:00
if you took Slomo and
1:12:03
watched Zach Snyder's Justice League,
1:12:05
you would like, you'd have
1:12:07
like a mental breakdown because
1:12:09
it felt like you
1:12:11
experienced like a lifetime. You
1:12:13
know, like a full human lifetime.
1:12:16
I honestly would be curious
1:12:18
of taking Slomo makes that
1:12:20
movie go by quicker. I, I, uh,
1:12:22
I'm someone who has unfortunately seen
1:12:24
Batman v Superman twice. Oh
1:12:27
my God. Why did you
1:12:29
do that? One was like a
1:12:31
really early, weirdly enough was a
1:12:33
really early like date night thing
1:12:36
with jewels when you first
1:12:38
started talking. And I had
1:12:40
already watched it because I'm just
1:12:42
like, I was curious and then
1:12:44
I was like, this movie's really
1:12:46
bad. And for some reason, we
1:12:48
decided to watch it again. Wow.
1:12:51
That is a, that is.
1:12:53
Interesting. But that's what you
1:12:55
do when you like, when you like
1:12:57
film. You just watch things. You watch,
1:12:59
if you really, if you really love
1:13:02
film, you're going to be out
1:13:04
there watching Batman v. Superman. Yeah.
1:13:06
Or if you just want to
1:13:08
see the side of Ben Affleck's
1:13:10
butt, you can watch Batman
1:13:12
v. Superman Don of shows.
1:13:14
That's Henry Cavill in Justice
1:13:16
League. I don't remember. I haven't
1:13:18
seen any of these. I've just
1:13:21
heard the stories and it sounds
1:13:23
pretty bad. Yeah, it's not good. I
1:13:25
would take candy to escape watching. Yeah,
1:13:27
there you go. Batman to be
1:13:29
Superman. You put me in front of
1:13:31
that and I'm like, I'm out of here
1:13:33
taking some of this. Dick drug. I
1:13:36
think maybe if you took candy, Zach
1:13:38
Snyder's creative vision would make sense. Maybe.
1:13:40
Maybe. You would be kind of, I
1:13:42
guess the idea would be you'd be
1:13:44
experiencing like a drug doubt optimal version
1:13:47
of the thing that's in front of
1:13:49
you. So it would finally be a good movie.
1:13:51
God, this is just, this isn't relevant
1:13:53
really. That's okay. That's anything. We're
1:13:55
so good at bringing up stuff
1:13:58
that's just not fucking relevant. So
1:14:00
I say go for it. A plot
1:14:02
point of Batman v Superman, Don of
1:14:04
Justice. I think I know what you're
1:14:07
going to say. Lex Luther makes a
1:14:09
Congresswoman, I think, drink piss. Oh. And
1:14:11
it's not really remarked upon, but it's
1:14:13
there if you go back and watch
1:14:16
it. It's really, um, it's interesting. It's
1:14:18
not good. You know, I'm, it's actually
1:14:20
pretty bad. But I guess I do
1:14:22
remember things from it, which is more
1:14:25
than I can say about some movies.
1:14:27
That is some odd choice. But if
1:14:29
you think about it, Lex Luthor was
1:14:31
really helping her to get into a
1:14:34
healthy lifestyle of drinking your own urine,
1:14:36
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1:14:38
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1:14:40
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