Episode 441 - Bowling at the White House (Conil Aliens)

Episode 441 - Bowling at the White House (Conil Aliens)

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Episode 441 - Bowling at the White House (Conil Aliens)

Episode 441 - Bowling at the White House (Conil Aliens)

Episode 441 - Bowling at the White House (Conil Aliens)

Episode 441 - Bowling at the White House (Conil Aliens)

Sunday, 12th January 2025
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to It Gets Weird, our

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0:59

the unusual, the unbelievable, and

1:01

the unexplained to try to make your

1:04

world a little weirder. I'm Nyle. And

1:06

I'm Kyle, and I've got a huge

1:08

announcement. A big announcement. Really? Yes, huge

1:11

announcement. Been wait, I've been... If

1:13

you could have seen me before we

1:15

started recording, before I hopped on Zoom

1:18

here with you. I fucking... I mean you

1:20

could have heard me tearing ass around

1:22

like from across the other side of

1:24

the house just running to the

1:26

microphone. You have like beans or something?

1:28

No, no, no. You're thinking of farting.

1:31

I meant tearing ass is in like

1:33

moving very quickly. Oh, okay. You're

1:35

thinking of of farting, which I...

1:37

I thought you were just

1:39

like crop dusting your entire

1:41

house, like I, you know?

1:44

No, no, no. I'm like

1:46

fucking rippin, rip-rorin, tearing-rorin, tearing-in,

1:48

tearing- my ass across the

1:50

house, this announcement. Huge announcement.

1:52

I got athletes foot.

1:54

Really? Yes, yes I did. I

1:56

have no idea where it

1:59

came from. Which is honestly

2:01

worse than I think knowing. But

2:03

wow, I, hey, I can't remember,

2:05

I think the last time I

2:07

had Athletes Foot was in high

2:09

school when I did swimming. And

2:11

I was, you know, walking around

2:14

locker rooms, barefoot and shit. And

2:16

I gotta say, a negative review

2:18

of Athletes Foot. Oh yeah, not

2:20

a fan? No, it sucks. It

2:22

really sucks. But it sucks especially

2:25

because I am a big time

2:27

foot hater. Yeah, you really do

2:29

not like to be touched by

2:31

and or be around feet. I

2:33

prefer to keep them on the

2:35

ground. And so like, like obviously

2:38

I can deal with my own

2:40

feet, right? But it's like, it's

2:42

like if you stare into the

2:44

mirror a little too long. You

2:46

start to get uneasy staring at

2:48

your own face for too long.

2:51

You know what I mean? Like

2:53

at least I maybe that maybe

2:55

is that a thing. Do you

2:57

ever feel that way? I feel

2:59

that way. Not not really. Okay.

3:02

Well, I'm pretty normal on you're

3:04

the you're the weird one I

3:06

think is I'm gonna put my

3:08

plate my flag. All right. I

3:10

don't want to I just realize

3:12

that I was saying something that

3:15

could out make people realize that

3:17

I'm fucking weird and I kind

3:19

of wanted to reverse it on

3:21

you like reverse card type deal

3:23

while we're while we're figuring this

3:26

out there's something that that may

3:28

or may not be time sensitive

3:30

depending on your answer to this

3:32

question is there is there something

3:34

in the bottom right corner of

3:36

this the screen on your end

3:39

right now that is smoking oh

3:41

yeah like a humidifier on or

3:43

something yeah I hey I appreciate

3:45

I appreciate The concern I guess

3:47

now is the other big announcement.

3:49

I did move out to California

3:52

Okay, maybe that's not such a

3:54

good joke. I have family out

3:56

there who they haven't had to

3:58

evacuate But they're like actually it's

4:00

the craziest shit in the world.

4:03

They are a mile south of

4:05

the fires and they're untouched really

4:07

okay yeah that shit is fucked

4:09

up and my knee jerk response

4:11

was to crack a joke about

4:13

it and I apologize but it's

4:16

just I've seen all the news

4:18

about it horrifying fires yeah pretty

4:20

horrifying and every time like God,

4:22

I'm sorry. This is to go

4:24

from the foot thing to the

4:26

fire thing here. It's like holding

4:29

your feet to the fire. Yeah,

4:31

exactly. I just I see that

4:33

stuff. I see like the wildfires

4:35

and shit and I'm just like

4:37

This is this is the rest

4:40

of our time on earth. Huh?

4:42

This is just how it's gonna

4:44

be. Yeah. Anyways I was thinking

4:46

if somebody that I was dating

4:48

was like I want you to

4:50

do foot stuff with me. I'd

4:53

have a real crisis moment Yeah,

4:55

you'd be you'd be punching that

4:57

source wall to try to change

5:00

the fetish of your significant other

5:02

I think I'd I think I'd

5:04

have to really love that person

5:06

to even Touch their feet Have

5:08

you ever have you ever been

5:10

in a relationship where you gave

5:12

like a foot massage before is

5:15

that off the table for you?

5:17

It's not off the table, but

5:19

like I think this is It's

5:21

sort of like how like you

5:23

know when you spend enough time

5:25

in a relationship when the right

5:27

time is to say I love

5:30

you is right sure for me

5:32

it would be like okay we've

5:34

been together long enough I know

5:36

you well enough I will willingly

5:38

touch your feet but does that

5:40

does that does that point become

5:42

Come before or after marriage when

5:44

in your like is that I

5:47

think a base beyond marriage or

5:49

is that? I think that's a

5:51

step beyond marriage for me I

5:53

think we're gonna have to like

5:55

We're in it together forever if

5:57

I'm touching your Fucking dirty ass

5:59

toes. Anyways, that was a great

6:02

start to the episode. I did

6:04

want to say we have an

6:06

email if you're up for that.

6:08

Yeah, hit me up. I figured

6:10

I'm hungry. I'm also hungry and

6:12

this is a good this is

6:14

a good email. So we got

6:17

an email from Jacob. And Jacob

6:19

says, hello, IGW Peeps, loved the

6:21

recent episode with Mary Meyer and

6:23

the Spooks. It's always flabbergasted me

6:25

how the CIA or FBI slash

6:27

government have that deep dark side

6:29

to them. You're supposed to govern,

6:31

not manipulate the truth. There's probably

6:34

so much the public truly doesn't

6:36

know about the CD goings on

6:38

of our country domestically and internationally.

6:40

Yeah, I agree with that. It's

6:42

funny because like, I've been. getting

6:44

invested in this stuff and like,

6:46

you know, talking about Mary Meyer,

6:49

M. Kaltra, all the stuff that

6:51

we've talked about over the last

6:53

couple months. It's like, I am

6:55

fascinated with the fact that there's

6:57

this sort of dark, like, I'll

6:59

say it, like, there's basically, at

7:01

least during this era, a deep

7:04

state sort of political world, which

7:06

Deep states and other one of

7:08

those terms that really is like

7:10

complicated due to the fact that

7:12

it's now associated with people like

7:14

Alex Jones But as I understand

7:16

it used to have more of

7:19

a leftist political origin point Which

7:21

it was literally just to refer

7:23

to the kind of shit that

7:25

we've talked about on those shows

7:27

where there you know These these

7:29

people who have power are you

7:31

know doing secret things to manipulate

7:33

you know various political things, you

7:36

know, like, yeah. So it's very

7:38

interesting. All that being said, like.

7:40

It is also another one of

7:42

those things where I am like,

7:44

as I read and learn more,

7:46

because that's kind of the process

7:48

I've been going through here is

7:51

like, we've done a ton of

7:53

UFO stuff. So there are tropes,

7:55

there are things that we recognize,

7:57

there's a history that we have

7:59

the context of, a lot of

8:01

the time, at this point. And

8:03

I'm kind of still learning a

8:06

lot of that stuff when it

8:08

comes to this like deep politics

8:10

stuff that I've been looking into.

8:12

And the thing that I'm realizing

8:14

as I go along is like,

8:16

I am now also realizing how

8:18

it would be so easy for

8:21

a person to slip into like

8:23

a fringe conspiracy. You know, like

8:25

I wasn't even, I wasn't even

8:27

going to say quen on, but

8:29

like kind of yeah, like I'm

8:31

starting to see how these stories

8:33

are, they sometimes feel like they're

8:35

made to make people feel insane.

8:38

Yeah. It's I think that's the

8:40

scariest thing for me. It's like,

8:42

I think that this like abuse

8:44

of like political power and the

8:46

ability to manipulate, that's not exactly

8:48

surprising. But the fact that there's

8:50

like sort of this this undercurrent

8:53

of driving people who look into

8:55

it a little crazy, that's almost

8:57

more sinister to me. Anyways, sorry,

8:59

that's an aside. Thank you for

9:01

the kind words. They go on

9:03

in the email to say. Before

9:05

I get too much into the

9:08

weeds, don't worry about it Jacob

9:10

already did it for you. When

9:12

I was a t-shirt press operator

9:14

a few years ago, there was

9:16

a shirt design weed print of

9:18

JFK. To this day, hearing his

9:20

name always makes me think of

9:23

it. I don't know if you're

9:25

familiar with the movie Fantasm, which

9:27

now I think we watched that

9:29

together. Yeah, we watched that together.

9:31

Yeah. In the film, the antagonist

9:33

uses a flying metal sphere as

9:35

a weapon that sticks to people's

9:37

foreheads and drills into their brains.

9:40

It's very metal, literally, because it's

9:42

made of metal. I can imagine

9:44

where the shirt goes with these

9:46

two concepts of JFK and phantasm.

9:48

I've attached a picture of the

9:50

shirt. That's really it. Keep on

9:52

keeping on, you guys are churning

9:55

out gold, love the show, and

9:57

they have a big question. So

9:59

if you want, we can do

10:01

this big question. I don't know

10:03

if it's gonna be related, but

10:05

it is related to the, I

10:07

could potentially save it for another

10:10

one of my like. parapolitical episodes.

10:12

So there's there's a chance that

10:14

it could work here. Well, okay,

10:16

we'll feel that out as I

10:18

unveil what we're talking about today

10:20

because there is a bit of

10:22

a a little bit of a

10:24

disinformation angle to this thing. I'm

10:27

going to be talking about today.

10:29

Cool. But it'll come a bit

10:31

later. Well, anyways, Jacob ends the

10:33

email by saying thank you guys

10:35

for being awesome. And yes, I

10:37

don't know if you saw the

10:39

photo. I would wear this shirt

10:42

100% It's exactly what you think

10:44

it is, by the way. Okay.

10:46

So, I mean, here's the thing.

10:48

I'll just, I'll take this, take

10:50

this opportunity just to talk about

10:52

Fantasm real quick. Sure. Yeah, I

10:54

really like that movie. Yeah, me

10:57

too. I, I, I have an

10:59

intention to go back and watch

11:01

more of them. I kind of,

11:03

every year around Halloween, I get

11:05

really into franchise horror and will,

11:07

like, like, pick a franchise and,

11:09

like, like, watch a bunch of

11:12

them, to be one of those

11:14

because I've heard really good things

11:16

about a couple of the later

11:18

parts of the franchise. And the

11:20

first one, despite its like thrown

11:22

togetherness, I found it incredibly charming

11:24

and interesting. So I, yeah, phantasm

11:26

rules and that sounds like it

11:29

would be pretty cool. I think

11:31

we had, we came with the

11:33

same feeling. I remember the, because

11:35

that movie is weird and there's

11:37

like multiple cuts of it too.

11:39

We're like, I'm sure there's some

11:41

sort of interesting backstory to how

11:44

all that happened. But it's one

11:46

of those movies that's just like,

11:48

it's like, the version of. we

11:50

watch felt a little cobbled together,

11:52

but like you said, it's very

11:54

charming. And I find the horror

11:56

aspects of it very funny. The

11:59

thing that I still to this

12:01

day find extremely bizarre about whatever

12:03

version that we watched is that

12:05

there are like moments up at

12:07

the front, if I remember correctly,

12:09

where they're literally just doing stuff

12:11

from dune. Like, like. It's super

12:14

weird. There's like a, the, the,

12:16

the box, there's like the box.

12:18

Well, but they say like, just,

12:20

there's like terminology from Dune as

12:22

well. But yeah, it's, um, the,

12:24

oh my God, I'm forgetting the

12:26

words, but like, the witch is,

12:28

yeah, it's the Gom Jibar, he

12:31

has to put his hand in

12:33

it, and she says that there's

12:35

pain in the box. I can't

12:37

remember if that's in the, but

12:39

it's the exact same shit from.

12:41

From Dune and and I I

12:43

want to know the story behind

12:46

that I'm sure I could just

12:48

look it up But like yeah,

12:50

I'm pretty sure because the fantasy

12:52

was one of those where the

12:54

like making of has like a

12:56

whole thing because it was yeah

12:58

a guy that threw together this

13:01

this project It was like a

13:03

really long script or something and

13:05

it ended up getting so there's

13:07

like stuff they filmed for the

13:09

first movie that was then used

13:11

for the second movie like it's

13:13

one of those where it was

13:15

it was it has like So

13:18

much on the cutting room floor

13:20

and so much extra stuff that

13:22

was not filmed and so much

13:24

like the script was changing all

13:26

the time and yada yada yada.

13:28

So I'm sure I'm sure if

13:30

you went out there and looked

13:33

you could hear I think his

13:35

name is Don Casquerelli I think

13:37

is the director of that movie.

13:39

You could probably find information about

13:41

his influences and I'm curious if

13:43

you would cop to the dune

13:45

thing. Yeah. Yeah. Well anyways. What

13:48

have you got for me this?

13:50

Nile Nile. I ended up finding

13:52

a UFO case that I found

13:54

interesting in Spain. And part of

13:56

what drew me to this is

13:58

that it was referencing, it got

14:00

referenced another episode that we've already

14:03

done. It has some similar. to

14:05

the Vorenes UFO encounter in Russia.

14:07

But also this was, this is

14:09

one of the first times I've

14:11

seen it in Not America, there

14:13

is the like Spanish version of

14:15

like kind of Project Blue Book

14:17

or something called the CEO of

14:20

the EFO investigated this case and

14:22

there's rumors by certain people that

14:24

it was a misinformation thing in

14:26

a lot of the way that

14:28

Blue Book used to do stuff

14:30

in America. I haven't found a

14:32

lot of that kind of thing

14:35

outside of America yet and was

14:37

very curious to see it represented

14:39

in another country. Yeah, that's interesting.

14:41

I've heard of the CIFO I

14:43

do believe. And remind me, Verona's,

14:45

was that an abduction case or

14:48

like a citing? I can't, I

14:50

can't remember. It was a sighting.

14:52

It was a sighting. It's been

14:54

a while. So it was in...

14:57

September 27th 1989 which this sighting

14:59

that I'm going to talk about

15:01

today took place in Spain on

15:03

September 29th 1989 so this is

15:06

like right there um but it

15:08

was you know boys playing in

15:10

a football in a city park

15:12

and they saw this thing in

15:15

the sky right there was this

15:17

deep red ball that was kind

15:19

of above and then a three-eyed

15:21

alien wearing like weird outfits and

15:24

stuff came down and had a

15:26

ray gun and stuff like it's

15:28

all of those like It's one

15:31

of the weirder UFO's like alien

15:33

sightings. I think it's really interesting.

15:35

So I the fact that this

15:37

was like a lot of times

15:40

gets brought up as a kind

15:42

of companion piece to the Voronez

15:44

encounter was a good chunk of

15:46

my interest in talking about this

15:49

one, honestly. Cool. I love that.

15:51

I think that this I think

15:53

that Veronez. also gets compared to

15:55

another case that we did not

15:58

like pretty pretty recently. But maybe

16:00

we'll be able to tease that

16:02

out, but I think it was

16:04

the guy, I think it may

16:07

have been the Cisco Grove encounter,

16:09

maybe? Oh yeah. Where the guy

16:11

hides up in the tree? Yeah,

16:13

because those were like metallic beings

16:16

too. Yes, it's about, yeah, the,

16:18

sorry, I guess they're compared insofar

16:20

as they have weird specific alien

16:22

types that don't reappear in other

16:25

stories, but like their closest. comparison

16:27

I think was Verona's was one

16:29

of the ones that got there's

16:31

also like there's like lumberjacks in

16:34

Europe that saw something similar like

16:36

a metallic man thing so I

16:38

love metal men aliens I think

16:40

they're so fucking cool it's great

16:43

so yeah these these aren't quite

16:45

metal men but there there are

16:47

some some stylistic similarities between the

16:49

beings in these two cases Let's,

16:52

we'll travel back to Spain in

16:54

September of 1989 to this, there's

16:56

a beach called Los Battales near

16:59

the town of Connell in Spain,

17:01

hence why it's called the Connell

17:03

case, or the Connell UFO encounter,

17:05

whatever you want to call it,

17:08

but that's what you'll find it

17:10

referred to as. And that literally,

17:12

like, a lot of times when

17:14

you see this, it'll talk about

17:17

how there were, there was a

17:19

magazine, I think it was like

17:21

the Spanish version of time. magazine

17:23

had an addition around this time

17:26

that literally said like they're here

17:28

with big like aliens on it

17:30

because of the foreigners encounter and

17:32

then immediately like stuff that are

17:35

happening in Spain too. And it's

17:37

it's a I don't know I

17:39

find that part interesting. So this

17:41

is one of those cases where

17:44

there's kind of a preamble to

17:46

it. It was the actual encounter.

17:48

is happens to like a group

17:50

of five friends between the ages

17:53

of 14 and 23. I think

17:55

the 14 is like a younger

17:57

brother or something. It's kind of

17:59

a group of young adults, I

18:02

guess, are the people that see

18:04

this encounter. And they are out

18:06

on a beach at night hanging

18:08

out at like between like 10

18:11

and 11 because leading up to

18:13

this. what kind of started the

18:15

interest is people started seeing lights

18:17

in the sky around this place

18:20

in Spain, specifically above this beach.

18:22

So there's a preamble here of

18:24

various other sightings, which I have

18:27

some accounts of later, where things

18:29

were seen leading up to this,

18:31

which led them to be on

18:33

the beach specifically looking for lights

18:36

in the sky and stuff when

18:38

this encounter happened. So like they

18:40

were specifically interested to go out

18:42

there to see an alien encounter

18:45

and they did Okay, that's some

18:47

Sort of colors the the situation

18:49

a little bit, but yeah, like

18:51

this really feels like it comes

18:54

out of this kind of This

18:56

interest born out of these other

18:58

encounters being in the news and

19:00

so like sure there's a bit

19:03

of that element to this whole

19:05

story which happens pretty frequently. It's

19:07

it's occurring to me that like

19:09

I don't, I feel like most

19:12

of our cases that we've covered

19:14

that aren't like contactees and abductees,

19:16

right? Are people who are like,

19:18

I'd never anticipated I would see

19:21

a UFO type people, like just,

19:23

you know, first timers, I guess,

19:25

is the word usually. It's interesting

19:27

to me that there would be

19:30

a case that would endure. where

19:32

it's like, it almost sounds like,

19:34

maybe this is me jumping, they

19:36

got a little bit, but it

19:39

almost sounds like this is, these

19:41

are people who were in the

19:43

middle of like a burgeoning UFO.

19:45

flap and they were like, we're

19:48

gonna get in on this. Yeah,

19:50

it has that vibe because there's,

19:52

there are these sightings leading up

19:54

to this that. people see it's

19:57

before this it's all lights in

19:59

the sky like lights in the

20:01

sky is what is happening that

20:04

leads to this interest and the

20:06

kids are have taken to or

20:08

the young adults what everyone call

20:10

them the group has taken to

20:13

hanging out on this beach at

20:15

night trying to look for the

20:17

lights and then so they've done

20:19

this multiple nights in a row

20:22

seeing lights like every time and

20:24

then yeah so yeah it really

20:26

feels like they are One of

20:28

the rare cases where people are

20:31

aware of like an aversioning UFO

20:33

flap. Yeah and are specifically looking

20:35

for it. The initial citing is

20:37

usually what endures as a story.

20:40

The citing that starts the flap.

20:42

So I mean, that's not like,

20:44

obviously that's not 100% true, but

20:46

like. Within a UFO flap, you

20:49

have like police stations and whatnot

20:51

and radio stations being flooded with

20:53

the like a deluge of calls

20:55

about sightings. So it's funny. I'm

20:58

curious what let what lets this

21:00

one sort of a surface. Yeah

21:02

among that because I'm assuming that's

21:04

the situation. Yeah, so I mean,

21:07

yeah, basically Hubub started around town

21:09

and people started to kind of

21:11

look out for this and so

21:13

they were out on the beach

21:16

multiple nights in a row. It

21:18

led to them, you know, they

21:20

went out first and with basically

21:22

just nothing. And over time, like

21:25

over, you know, the second and

21:27

third nights, they started to bring

21:29

like binoculars with them and stuff

21:32

like that. So they are specifically

21:34

equipped for this in a way

21:36

that a lot of people aren't

21:38

usually, which is also an interesting

21:41

wrinklekel to this whole thing. So

21:43

on the actual sighting, the sighting

21:45

night, it started about 945 at

21:47

night. They saw an object up

21:50

in the sky. It was this

21:52

kind of crescent shaped object with

21:54

red lights in the side, and

21:56

it was moving in complete silence

21:59

towards the. village of Connell de

22:01

la Fronterra which is where they're

22:03

from. It lasted around 30 minutes

22:05

and then after after that they

22:08

they noticed about 50 meters away

22:10

from them that there were these

22:12

beings which is new like before

22:14

this it's just light just the

22:17

first night where they start seeing

22:19

creatures. So the originally they see

22:21

two beings. that were about, like

22:23

I said, about 50 meters away

22:26

from them coming out of the

22:28

darkness and the being started to

22:30

walk towards them. And as they

22:32

got closer, they could tell and,

22:35

you know, use the monoculars and

22:37

all that kind of stuff, they

22:39

could tell that these beings were

22:41

not actually human. They were very

22:44

tall, exceeding two meters in height

22:46

and they dressed in these white

22:48

long robes that went all the

22:50

way down to the floor or,

22:53

you know, sand, whatever. And they

22:55

were also... Did they wear sandals

22:57

since I don't I don't think

23:00

they ever we ever get any

23:02

information about like what their footwear

23:04

or their feet there I like

23:06

The descriptions don't really have like

23:09

they're just in these like long

23:11

dresses and then and then they

23:13

have like kind of these are

23:15

in the kind of I guess

23:18

like tall whites kind of school

23:20

things where they're kind of, not

23:22

featureless, but kind of very minimally

23:24

featured faces that are kind of

23:27

smooth and white and kind of

23:29

gray like, but not fully, you

23:31

know? Yeah. Also just realizing that

23:33

I accidentally am making this like

23:36

a very foot forward episode. Yeah,

23:38

I I I was I was

23:40

trying to rain that back in

23:42

because I know that you know

23:45

You don't you wouldn't want to

23:47

look back on this episode and

23:49

listen have to listen You talk

23:51

about a bunch of feet when

23:54

you come back to to read

23:56

some people so Yeah, but I'm

23:58

talking about you personally because I

24:00

you're who I care about in

24:03

this kind Thank you And I

24:05

appreciate that about you now. Thank

24:07

you. So yeah, these things are

24:09

walking as they get described as

24:12

walking in as kind of a

24:14

halted, awkward manner. I didn't get

24:16

like a full description of what

24:18

this meant, but both their looks

24:21

and the way they are moving

24:23

leads these people to believe that

24:25

they are not human. They don't

24:28

really have like a lot of

24:30

defined. like no hair really at

24:32

all, and their facial features are

24:34

very minimal. As these creatures started

24:37

to walk towards them, they eventually

24:39

turned their backs on the young

24:41

people and started seemingly kind of

24:43

ignoring them and were looking out

24:46

at a light in the port

24:48

of this beach. And at this

24:50

point, the young people stopped and

24:52

were just kind of observing this

24:55

whole thing. And a small blue

24:57

sphere started to come down from

24:59

the sky within a short distance

25:01

of where these beings were standing.

25:04

And right when this happened, those

25:06

beings sat down in the sand

25:08

and started to dig what ended

25:10

up being when they went to

25:13

go look at it, a horseshoe

25:15

shaped mound. The beings then laid

25:17

down in the sand and they

25:19

started to bounce this lighted blue

25:22

sphere. at each other almost like

25:24

they're playing catch. Okay. Yeah, there's

25:26

there's some other details around this

25:28

like the differing accounts of this

25:31

that I read. Okay, let me

25:33

make this this caveat that I

25:35

haven't said yet because I told

25:37

you this before we started the

25:40

podcast. A lot of the accounts

25:42

of this that I found come

25:44

from Spanish language sources. So I

25:46

had to do a lot of

25:49

translation. So there's there's some like.

25:51

If the wording of things is

25:53

a little awkward sometimes, that's why.

25:56

because I'm trying to translate from

25:58

sources that are. You're not a

26:00

native Spanish speaker, is what you're

26:02

saying. And a lot of the

26:05

information you get from this, there's

26:07

a Spanish, a UFO researcher called

26:09

J.J. Benitez, who is one of

26:11

the main people that really has

26:14

written a book on this and

26:16

stuff and written a lot about

26:18

this a lot. Now, we will

26:20

talk about him a little bit

26:23

more later and whether or not.

26:25

he's someone that you should be

26:27

trusting within for information. But a

26:29

lot of the stuff that that

26:32

I am finding here, I've had

26:34

to translate. So if anything is

26:36

awkward, that's that's that's that's why.

26:38

Okay. Okay. So yeah, these this

26:41

being is these beings are kind

26:43

of laying down on the beach

26:45

playing with a blue ball. And.

26:47

This ball is about the size

26:50

of a tennis ball, supposedly, that

26:52

came down from the sky. I

26:54

don't know exactly what that is

26:56

supposed to be, but that's part

26:59

of it. So this is a

27:01

quote directly from J.J. Benitez, who

27:03

interviewed the witnesses. The beings with

27:05

their arms stuck to their bodies

27:08

in a clumsy gate, head towards

27:10

the group, panic spreads, and the

27:12

young people flee. The beings stop

27:14

and shortly after the boys do

27:17

the same. They are 20 or

27:19

30 meters away. The beings turn

27:21

and turn their backs on the

27:24

five witnesses. They seem to be

27:26

watching the red light that remains

27:28

motionless over the port of Connell.

27:30

At that moment, the locals see

27:33

what they call a shooting star

27:35

fall. It is a small light

27:37

like a tennis ball and of

27:39

a bluish white color. It appears

27:42

a few meters above the heads

27:44

of the beings and disappears when

27:46

it seemed it was going to

27:48

crash into them. Immediately afterwards, without

27:51

flinch, they sit down and... do

27:53

that mound and then they let

27:55

themselves fall on their backs still

27:57

stiff as sticks. So these people

28:00

keep moving very strangely. They're very

28:02

like stiff and rigid and awkward

28:04

in their movements, which when there's

28:06

a thing later that we'll talk

28:09

about this whole thing again when

28:11

a reveal later happens because it's

28:13

really, there's stuff about this case

28:15

that we're gonna talk about. Anyway,

28:18

so as they're playing with this

28:20

ball, the witnesses are still watching

28:22

them and they start to see.

28:24

something in the distance. There's kind

28:27

of a like a almost like

28:29

a bit of a fog coming

28:31

in and there's a dark figure

28:33

in that fog seemingly kind of

28:36

floating. This being is taller than

28:38

the other two that are lying

28:40

down on the sand still like

28:42

kind of you know cavorting and

28:45

this this being's clothing was all

28:47

black and he had this very

28:49

large white head with two large

28:52

black holes instead of eyes. And

28:54

so this is this seems to

28:56

be a different creature to some

28:58

degree. And you know, the witnesses

29:01

were kind of spooked by this.

29:03

They didn't really know what was

29:05

going on. And now there's like

29:07

a second weird being that's coming

29:10

at them. So they were starting

29:12

to debate like fucking high tailing

29:14

it out of there. But then

29:16

they saw this tall being coming

29:19

in and it just kind of

29:21

had disappeared. And when they looked

29:23

back, the two beings that had

29:25

been there, playing, so to speak,

29:28

now didn't look like they used

29:30

to and had become human. They

29:32

had become a man and a

29:34

woman with Nordic features. The man

29:37

was very tall and blonde. He

29:39

was wearing jeans and a t-shirt.

29:41

And the woman was also tall,

29:43

but shorter than the man, and

29:46

had long dark hair, and she

29:48

was wearing a long white skirt.

29:50

So this being, so how it

29:52

gets told in a lot of

29:55

these accounts is these two beings.

29:57

sit down and start passing this

29:59

blue ball back together, back and

30:01

forth, and they're laying down on

30:04

the sand. And this other being

30:06

comes out almost as if to

30:08

distract the witnesses so that these,

30:10

the two original beings can transform

30:13

into human form and then slip

30:15

away. Is this because, oh, sorry,

30:17

go ahead. Because like after this,

30:20

they, the, the, there's like confusion

30:22

with. all this stuff happening at

30:24

once and those two humanoids now

30:26

that the two human that were

30:29

on the beach slip basically into

30:31

the town and disappear like they

30:33

don't track them any further because

30:35

they lose track of them because

30:38

they're just random humans now like

30:40

so yeah they start these two

30:42

beings start to walk towards the

30:44

streets of Connell and as the

30:47

young people try to like Follow

30:49

and see where they're going they

30:51

see this this cloud coming and

30:53

that's that's when that other being

30:56

comes in and literally seems to

30:58

just run interference for them you

31:00

know like it's it's so here

31:02

I have I have a question

31:05

yeah does it seem from like

31:07

the original account wherever you're getting

31:09

it from is it like heavily

31:11

implied that that is what this

31:14

thing is do this this third

31:16

alien is doing or is it

31:18

like this is The person investigating

31:20

the story is like sort of

31:23

inferring based off of how things

31:25

play out Do you know what

31:27

I'm saying like I? I believe

31:29

the distraction angle is something that

31:32

Jay Jay Benitez Actually surmised from

31:34

everything He he is a researcher

31:36

that came in after the fact.

31:38

So he's he's not the first

31:41

person that like the first reporter

31:43

on the scene was a guy

31:45

named Juan Bermudez Who was an

31:48

acquaintance of these young people and

31:50

he I think was a reporter

31:52

for like a local paper or

31:54

something that that first started this

31:57

kind of case to go out,

31:59

which then brought in people like

32:01

Jade. Benitez who then did a

32:03

lot more deep dive research on

32:06

it and came to that conclusion

32:08

gotcha kind of distraction here's here's

32:10

the other thing that I want

32:12

to say yeah I always get

32:15

like with a good story of

32:17

encountering an alien I I always

32:19

get a little bit of a

32:21

like um I

32:24

don't want to use a phrase

32:26

as strong as chill run down

32:28

my spine, but it does kind

32:30

of give me the hairs standing

32:32

up on the back of your

32:35

next feeling when a story is

32:37

good, you know what I mean?

32:39

And something about like moving in

32:41

like a very inhuman way gets

32:43

to me. I re-watch this recently.

32:46

Do you remember the movie Pulse,

32:48

Cairo, the Japanese horror film? Yes,

32:50

I don't remember. I've only seen

32:52

it once many years ago, but

32:54

I do remember it. Okay, spoilers

32:56

if you haven't watched Pulse, but

32:59

not big ones. There's a moment

33:01

where one of the characters encounters

33:03

a ghost in a like, I

33:05

want to say it's like an

33:07

abandoned apartment. I think so, yeah.

33:10

And there's a moment where the

33:12

ghost starts walking towards... the character

33:14

and the ghost looks kind of

33:16

like a human just shrouded in

33:18

darkness with their hair kind of

33:20

sort of in their face like

33:23

you would kind of think of

33:25

but at one point it does

33:27

this thing completely for just for

33:29

no reason where the ghost sort

33:31

of like starts to move in

33:33

a way that it's just like

33:36

a human wouldn't do that for

33:38

any reason you know what I

33:40

mean like and I don't even

33:42

mean like it's like I don't

33:44

even know how to describe it.

33:47

It almost does this sort of

33:49

like weird... It's hard to explain.

33:51

A shimmy, if you will. That

33:53

doesn't look human. And it's like

33:55

one of the scarier moments of

33:57

the film. And that really really

34:00

gets to me. So if you

34:02

have an alien story where aliens

34:04

are doing some weird shit that

34:06

a human just like wouldn't, if

34:08

a human wouldn't move this way,

34:10

it gets, it's a little creepy

34:13

to me, I must say. I

34:15

agree, like the, but in a

34:17

fun way. Humanoid moving in an

34:19

inhuman manner is one of those

34:21

things that consistently hits for me

34:24

as like a scary trope. Um,

34:26

like, the, the end of rec

34:28

with that thing, you know, like,

34:30

yeah, there, or the tall, the

34:32

tall man in, it follows, it

34:34

follows, it, like, it's, it hits,

34:37

you know, that is, I think

34:39

I've said it on the podcast

34:41

many years ago, but that is

34:43

a moment that, it watching it,

34:45

I think in theaters. And any

34:47

subsequent watch of the moment in

34:50

it follows where the tall man

34:52

walks through the doorway, actually genuinely

34:54

sends a chill down my spine,

34:56

makes me feel really scared. That

34:58

one fucks with me. Yeah, for

35:01

sure. It's freaky. It's one of

35:03

those moments that as soon as

35:05

I brought up, that was the

35:07

moment I was thinking of. Like

35:09

it's, it is definitely that thing.

35:11

Okay. So do you want do

35:14

you want just this do you

35:16

ever just find something that you

35:18

can only find one place and

35:20

it's so buck wild that you

35:22

have to include it? Yes all

35:25

the time I think I have

35:27

to hunt down JJ Benitis's book

35:29

because if this is in that

35:31

book I want to read the

35:33

full account of it. But I

35:35

found this on a read it

35:38

post it was in response to

35:40

a post asking about the Connell.

35:42

case and this they gave kind

35:44

of a very brief synopsis of

35:46

what I've told you so far

35:48

and then this comment was like

35:51

buried in the comments below I

35:53

had to like expand fucking replies

35:55

to get this comment which was

35:57

it's wild because it rules. This

36:00

is only half of the story. The

36:02

Spanish uophologist J.J. Benita's arrived to Connell

36:04

the next day or the day after

36:07

and he met up with the witnesses.

36:09

He snooped around town and found out

36:11

the two human-looking shapeshifters had rented a

36:13

hotel room by taking the identity of

36:16

two Dutch engineers. Him in the witnesses

36:18

saw these two beings on the beach

36:20

again. They followed them and the two

36:22

humanoids started walking towards the water until

36:25

they disappeared into the sea. And then

36:27

JJ being there supposedly took a picture

36:29

of one of the footprints left by

36:32

the male looking being I saw it

36:34

in one of his books, which there

36:36

are footprints photos that you can find

36:38

on Benita's website and people who quote

36:41

Benita's website, but I thought those were

36:43

from the initial encounter not from a

36:45

multi-pull day later thing hunting down the

36:47

two humanoids that now were hiding as

36:50

Dutch engine. Like the... Randomly reading, oh

36:52

yeah, they rented a hotel room by

36:54

taking the identity of two Dutch engineers

36:56

in the middle of this story. I

36:59

was like, yeah. What are you, what?

37:01

That's crazy. How do you find that

37:03

out? Like yeah, you gotta, there has

37:05

to be a story behind that. But

37:08

the thing is you hear that and

37:10

it's like, you could definitely imagine. I

37:12

don't know, I don't know this Jay

37:15

Jay Bonita's person. So like, like, I

37:17

don't want to mischaracterize them or anything.

37:19

I have encountered the type, you know,

37:21

we've both encountered the type of UFO

37:24

researcher who will throw something wild like

37:26

that in and give you no explanation

37:28

about it. So it very well could

37:30

be that, but if there's more context,

37:33

that would be super interesting to read

37:35

the, because that shit's got to play

37:37

out like a fucking movie. Yeah, it's,

37:39

it's. It really is like a thriller

37:42

thing. So if anyone has a copy

37:44

of, I'm assuming that it's in this

37:46

book, it's called the fifth column by

37:49

J.J. Benita. Someone has a PDF or

37:51

a copy of that they want to

37:53

send to me. Feel free. Don't think

37:55

I didn't pick up on the fact

37:58

that you brought up feed again. With

38:01

the footprints. Oh, right. Yeah,

38:03

sorry I keep trying to

38:05

drag us back down into

38:07

the fucking mud with this

38:09

shit and I I'm sick

38:11

look I'm trying to stamp

38:13

all over all over this

38:15

podcast with feet talk So

38:18

So this this case initially

38:20

gets reported like I said

38:22

through seemingly through a person

38:24

in one Bermuda's There was

38:26

a, on October 5th, 1989,

38:28

there was a report entitled

38:30

Five Young People Claimed to

38:32

have witnessed the transformation of

38:34

two aliens into humans in

38:36

the Diario de Cadiz newspaper.

38:38

So that's the first actual

38:40

reporting on this that actually

38:42

went out, which brings, which

38:44

I makes me curious how

38:46

in the comment that I

38:48

just was talking about, how

38:50

Benita's got there within a

38:52

day or two, because like.

38:54

the actual report doesn't come

38:56

out until October 5th. Oh,

38:58

so that's like a full

39:00

week later. So I, that's

39:02

why I wanted to give

39:04

a lot of caveats to

39:06

that comment because there are

39:08

things about it that even

39:10

as someone who just has

39:12

read about this for like

39:14

a couple days don't quite

39:16

feel like they track. Yeah.

39:18

So, you know, whatever. And

39:20

then especially when you start

39:22

reading about Jay, Benides, you

39:25

might start to have some.

39:27

some other hesitations I guess.

39:29

So let's talk about JJ

39:31

Panides because I think he's

39:33

an interesting person that honestly

39:35

might end up getting his

39:37

own episode at some point

39:39

in the future. So he

39:41

is a Spanish journalist and

39:43

writer basically studying uophology as

39:45

his main kind of main

39:47

area of expertise. However, he

39:49

did publish a novel saga

39:51

called Cabillo de Troya. where

39:53

he recounts a journey back

39:55

in time to the time

39:57

of Jesus carried out in

39:59

the 1970s by the United

40:01

States military. I suppose like

40:03

a trilogy of books that

40:05

that he wrote that I

40:07

now I'm very curious what

40:09

the fuck that is because

40:11

there's a It sounds like

40:13

what was it was it

40:15

project Pegasus? Yeah, it sounds

40:17

like or I think that's

40:19

the right one which one's

40:21

the one where the guy

40:23

claims to have gone back

40:25

in time and met Jesus?

40:27

I mean, yeah, project Pegasus

40:29

is yeah, because they they

40:32

went on the Because there,

40:34

like, there are two things

40:36

that I've covered that have

40:38

dealt with. Well, there's the

40:40

Kronovizers, right? There's the Kronovizer,

40:42

and then there's Project Pegasus.

40:44

So I was thinking of

40:46

the two of those. And

40:48

military 1970s would be, you

40:50

know, our good, our good,

40:52

big cheese Bociago himself. That's

40:54

a, that's such a wild.

40:56

That must feel wild. Somebody

40:58

asks you, what's that one

41:00

about the guy who went

41:02

back in time to meet

41:04

Jesus and you're like, you're

41:06

gonna have to be more

41:08

specific? Yeah, there are two.

41:10

Well, there's three now, apparently.

41:12

Well, I guess this is

41:14

a fiction book, huh? This

41:16

is supposedly fiction, but he...

41:18

Is he one of those

41:20

guys who's like, it's fiction,

41:22

but the truth is just

41:24

underneath the surface? I wouldn't

41:26

be surprised if that's the

41:28

case with those books if

41:30

you dug into his take

41:32

on them. They're viewed as

41:34

fiction most places on the

41:36

internet, but he has, most

41:39

of his like 50 books

41:41

are quote nonfiction about UFOs.

41:43

He has been proponents of

41:45

such theories as that a

41:47

magical power allowed the statues

41:49

of Easter Island to be

41:51

transported to their final location.

41:53

The Dogon people had contact

41:55

with extraterrestrials in the past

41:57

and a good old favorite,

41:59

the Ark of Covenant is

42:01

a weapon of mass destruction.

42:03

Okay, so we're full woo-woo

42:05

territory here. Yeah, okay. Also,

42:07

Man and Dinosaur coexisted, all

42:09

that kind of stuff. One

42:11

of his, one of the

42:13

quotes that you'll find attributed

42:15

to him is, science is

42:17

very important. but the heart

42:19

is even 1100 page version

42:21

of the Bible where they

42:23

expand on the Bible to

42:25

have interplanetary intergalactic Christ's on

42:27

multiple planets. And it's a

42:29

book that is read and

42:31

utilized as scripture by the

42:33

cult that founded Sleepy Time

42:35

Tea. There you go. I

42:37

did an episode on that

42:39

shit. Oh my God. That's

42:41

awesome. So. Yeah, it's it's

42:43

a he didn't of course

42:46

denied accusation so those of

42:48

that plagiarism But it it

42:50

seems like he did just

42:52

copy stuff whole cloth from

42:54

there He also has been

42:56

accused of fraud sure such

42:58

as in a video where

43:00

he presented He's presented this

43:02

video that ended up being

43:04

of like aliens of alien

43:06

stuff that ended up being

43:08

tied to an animation studio

43:10

that he hired to make

43:12

this video. And he crafted

43:14

a whole backstory about his

43:16

source being the CIA spy

43:18

that was later proven to

43:20

have never existed. So there's

43:22

an episode of a series

43:24

called Planeta and Kantado that

43:26

he was kind of the

43:28

focus of that he seemingly

43:30

made up whole cloth. Nice.

43:32

paid paid an animation studio

43:34

to create his his visual

43:36

aids So that I just

43:38

wanted to quickly run down

43:40

a little bit of Jaygy

43:42

Bonita's highlights because I think

43:44

when you look at that

43:46

it it it it kind

43:48

of He is the main

43:50

person that is putting out

43:53

this theory that the GEIFO

43:55

is covering up this whole

43:57

thing and there's a there

43:59

is an explanation quote-unquote there's

44:01

an official narrative on what

44:03

happened here that I will

44:05

get to here shortly and

44:07

he heavily disputes that and

44:09

has a whole thing on

44:11

his website piece by piece

44:13

like so it's based around

44:15

there there was a ship

44:17

that was out at sea

44:19

that was kind of off

44:21

course due to some wind

44:23

conditions and stuff that had

44:25

that was supposedly held divers

44:27

and so divers losing track

44:29

of where they were in

44:31

unkind conditions coming up onto

44:33

the shore at this beach

44:35

is what the kind of

44:37

official narrative of this thing

44:39

is it it was oh

44:41

that that's the explanation for

44:43

what happened here yeah so

44:45

they like the the change

44:47

here was They're originally coming

44:49

up in wet suits effectively

44:51

and like dive on here

44:53

and then they took those

44:55

off and had human clothing

44:58

underneath and walked into the

45:00

city. That makes a hilarious

45:02

amount of sense actually. Okay.

45:04

Yeah. Okay. However, there you

45:06

can find a very. His

45:08

whole thing is based around.

45:10

There were these official reports

45:12

and there was also, based

45:14

on those reports, there were

45:16

these magazine articles, they were

45:18

kind of taking him to

45:20

task specifically, like his theories

45:22

and trying to, you know,

45:24

disprove his theories. So he

45:26

went through and he found,

45:28

supposedly, the actual captain of

45:30

that vessel that was supposedly

45:32

responsible for all of this.

45:34

To confirm that they weren't

45:36

actually near this beach at

45:38

the time. And so he

45:40

has pictures of himself posing

45:42

with this captain to prove

45:44

that he met him. And

45:46

then the captain claims that

45:48

no one from the GEOFO

45:50

actually ever contacted him to

45:52

talk about this. So all

45:54

the quotes attributed to him

45:56

in the official report are

45:58

faked. Oh my God. Okay.

46:00

So that's like a quick,

46:02

that's like a quick, there's

46:05

like other things that he'll

46:07

point to that are that

46:09

are fake as well. Like

46:11

he tries to like a

46:13

hundred proofs against flat earth

46:15

this whole thing where he's

46:17

like point by point going

46:19

through people trying to discredit

46:21

him and rebutting everything he

46:23

can with pictures and diagrams

46:25

and supposed research and all

46:27

this stuff. It's a very

46:29

I'm not owned kind of

46:31

article but it's also interesting.

46:33

You know God it's it's

46:35

fraud and and and and

46:37

shit like this it's just

46:39

part and parcel of UFO

46:41

stuff and like here's the

46:43

thing. I try to be

46:45

more open to a lot

46:47

of UFO stuff that I

46:49

hear. Especially like I'm obviously

46:51

a little less open to

46:53

like stories of people encountering

46:55

like crazy aliens who come

46:57

up to them and you

46:59

know take me to your

47:01

leader type shit. Some of

47:03

that I do you know

47:05

I anyways point point that

47:07

I'm trying to get at.

47:09

You could see how a

47:12

couple of young guys hopped

47:14

up on UFO experiencing juice

47:16

going to the beach at

47:18

night would freak out at

47:20

like divers coming to shore,

47:22

right? Like exactly as you

47:24

described. It's very similar to

47:26

the sightings that you can

47:28

look at as like heat

47:30

suits. Where it's like someone

47:32

is wearing a thing they're

47:34

not used to seeing, it's

47:36

dark and it spooks them.

47:38

You know, it makes some

47:40

sense. Also, this reminded me

47:42

of it, and I don't

47:44

know if you've, have you

47:46

ever seen, speaking of fraud,

47:48

you, okay, good start, have

47:50

you ever seen, and folks,

47:52

if you know who this

47:54

is, if you haven't seen

47:56

this, you should look this

47:58

up, have you ever seen

48:00

the saga of Linda Moulton

48:02

Howe, trying. to pass off

48:04

a photo of an alien,

48:06

which Linna Moulton How, the

48:08

woman behind, I think it's

48:10

called Strange Harvest, which is

48:12

the, like cattle mutilation documentary,

48:14

the very famous one from

48:16

the 70s, she's kind of

48:19

been... ingrained in UFO

48:21

culture stuff for the last couple

48:23

decades and all that but She

48:25

I think I think has a

48:28

podcast now. Yeah It's like four

48:30

hours long every episode. Yeah, you

48:32

can't find Any sort of like

48:35

synopsis at all it's just like

48:37

you have to listen to four

48:39

hours Yeah, I'm not fucking doing

48:42

that but she I am interested

48:44

in her as a character in

48:46

the UFO scene and there is

48:49

a thing where she fucking She

48:51

tried to pass off this photo

48:53

of an alien, somebody else we

48:56

know is involved with this situation.

48:58

She tries to pass off this

49:00

photo that I think may have

49:03

been fed to her by somebody

49:05

and she's like this is a

49:07

real photo of an extraterrestrial that

49:10

we captured in this whatever scenario

49:12

that we were in. And people

49:14

like very quickly are like, yeah,

49:17

that's like the box cover art

49:19

for Xcom. the video game. And

49:21

she like would, I hate to

49:24

say it, but I think she

49:26

was a little convinced that it

49:28

was a photo of an alien

49:31

only in so far as she

49:33

was like hasty to try and

49:35

like concoct a story about how

49:38

this was legitimate alien. imagery or

49:40

whatever you know it's like anyways

49:42

yeah just just made me think

49:45

of that just you know fraud's

49:47

doing fraud shit it's it's it's

49:49

you can't it's in inescapable it's

49:52

it's a yeah you're gonna find

49:54

a lot of that out there

49:56

because any there's a lot of

49:59

okay I we lately have been

50:01

railing against disinformation and talking about

50:03

like you know government's impact at

50:05

trying like especially the American

50:08

government trying to keep people

50:10

in the dark and just trying to

50:12

spin extra stuff to make things a

50:14

lot more complicated to figure out the

50:16

truth and just try to hide hide

50:18

hide hide hide hide so like I

50:20

never want to fall down the side

50:22

of like accepting the official story on

50:25

one of these things because it

50:27

probably, even if the actual

50:29

thing that happened was harmless and

50:31

not aliens at all, they still

50:34

probably are not telling you what

50:36

actually happened because it's, it's, you

50:38

know, a matter of, you know, national

50:40

security or whatever. But I also

50:42

don't 100% believe Jay, Jay, Panides

50:44

either. Sure. You know, you have

50:47

like more. Stuff about that. So

50:49

the actual investigation of

50:51

this started on on October 7th

50:53

when the GEIFO came to Connell

50:55

and interviewed the young people that

50:57

witnessed this encounter. They also

51:00

performed an investigation on the

51:02

beach at Los Battales and

51:04

some various other pretty well-known

51:06

uophologists in the area came

51:08

to Connell, including a man

51:10

named Hazus Burego, who also interviewed

51:13

these young people. And Hazus seemed

51:15

to have fallen more on the

51:17

side. of the GEIFO, that this was a

51:19

case of kind of mistaken normal things,

51:21

and it wasn't actually, you know,

51:23

anything extraterrestrial or supernatural or anything

51:25

like that. The official account by

51:28

the GEIFO is that these young

51:30

people were heavily influenced by the

51:32

news based on the the Voronez

51:34

case, and they mistook normal situations

51:36

in this case, in this case,

51:38

in this case, in this case,

51:40

in this case, in this case,

51:42

in this case, in this case,

51:44

in this case, the divers, the

51:46

diversified coming off of the ship,

51:48

the CS monarch, and like

51:51

there, so this, the the lights

51:53

that people were seeing were

51:55

from the ship and the

51:58

beings that those, that these

52:00

people saw were divers that

52:02

were unintentionally ended up on

52:04

this beach. And so they've

52:06

just mistook these people that

52:08

way. It's a very clean

52:11

explanation. In fact, I'm gonna go

52:13

ahead and say it's too clean. I

52:15

think these were aliens, Nile. Yeah,

52:17

like I think this is

52:19

some shapeshifting aliens because

52:22

if you if you ask the captain

52:24

of this vessel, the CS monarch,

52:26

where they were. they were actually like

52:28

53 kilometers from where the

52:30

beach was like they were like quite

52:33

a ways away and he got it

52:35

down to like I think he requisitioned

52:37

the records of this company

52:39

that owned the CS monarch

52:42

and got like the actual

52:44

GPS coordinates or not

52:46

not GPS because this

52:48

was 1989 whatever the

52:50

like positioning coordinates at these

52:53

times that were in the logbook,

52:55

like he got copies of the

52:57

actual logbook of the CS monarch,

53:00

and it does show, as far

53:02

as you can believe from him,

53:04

that this ship was much further

53:07

away than the people calculated,

53:10

and it wasn't really that

53:12

close to this beach. Now. How

53:14

much I can trust those

53:17

documents on his website if

53:19

he's like whole cloth just

53:21

like taking pages of your

53:23

your ancha book and putting

53:25

them in his works? I

53:28

don't know. Yeah, but that's

53:30

that's the the evidence that

53:32

he supposedly has is he

53:34

requisitioned actual records from

53:36

the company that owns the ship

53:39

and also that they and all

53:41

of that tied together showed that

53:43

the ship was not actually nearly

53:45

as close to this beach as

53:48

was previously thought and because of that

53:50

it was much less likely that those

53:52

divers would have actually made it there

53:54

in time with the like timing of

53:56

everything it doesn't make sense they were

53:58

there but they were like little further

54:00

away and so you know QED. Yeah

54:03

it's it's so that's that's the

54:05

thing now there's another thing

54:07

that I didn't find a

54:09

shit ton of information about

54:11

because I think that I

54:13

would have to do some

54:16

digging on a lot of

54:18

Spanish language UFO websites to

54:20

find information about this but

54:22

there's this specific beach at

54:24

at near Connell Los Patales.

54:27

Supposedly is kind of

54:29

a at a point between to

54:32

like Spain and like France maybe

54:34

and there's like military

54:37

bases around here that

54:39

the kind of insinuation

54:41

that I was finding that

54:43

I could not find a

54:45

lot of actual information

54:47

to back this up

54:50

is that the official

54:52

story is a disinformation

54:54

covering up some military

54:56

action. much like you would

54:58

find in America. It's the

55:00

military base at Al Jazeera is the

55:03

one that is supposedly close by

55:05

to here. And that's actually the

55:07

radar at that base is one

55:09

of the places that people have

55:12

tried to look at to find

55:14

corroboration of these lights. And even

55:16

like local police officers had seen

55:18

the lights and they checked with

55:20

the military base and the radar

55:22

didn't pick up anything. So like.

55:25

People think that this

55:28

military base is involved

55:30

somehow, but no one

55:32

I didn't find a

55:34

lot of Specific information

55:36

as to what the

55:38

thing they were covering up

55:40

was you know, yeah, I Yeah, I The

55:42

thing is I could see it but

55:44

it is weird to like

55:46

have not a lot to

55:48

go on other than some

55:50

murmurs online. It's sort of like

55:53

how I'm always trying to

55:55

find more information on the

55:58

idea that the Viles bow us. case

56:00

has like connective tissue

56:02

to MK Ultra style experiments. You

56:04

know what I mean? Like, which

56:06

is a thing that I've read,

56:09

but don't have a lot of

56:11

information about. Yeah. Yeah, interesting.

56:13

It's, it's, it's one of those,

56:15

that's, that's the shit that I

56:18

would love to find a bunch

56:20

of information on. Like the, what the

56:22

actual cover ups were covering

56:24

up. Yeah. And that's the

56:26

hardest stuff to find. So

56:28

there are a couple, like

56:30

I mentioned earlier, there are

56:32

a couple scattered sightings tied to

56:35

this that kind of flesh out

56:37

the timeline here. And we'll just,

56:39

we'll kind of probably

56:42

end with those. So a couple days

56:44

before the 29th, This is from a

56:46

person named Pedro Gonzales, who was one

56:48

of the people that cited these craft.

56:50

A few days before September 29th, a

56:52

couple of friends who had come from

56:54

Madrid told me they were driving their

56:56

car along the road next to Los

56:58

Battales Beach. When they were about to

57:00

get out of the vehicle, they saw

57:02

a white van arrive and seven people

57:04

in perfect clothes got out. One of

57:06

them approached the Madrid couple's car to

57:08

ask for their papers. Apparently they were

57:10

police officers and they told them to

57:13

get out of there. tied to a

57:15

lot of the the kind of lights

57:17

that people are seeing in the sky

57:19

so that and kind of seeding the

57:21

idea that there were some sort of

57:23

disinformation opposition happening at this time.

57:25

Local police actually saw lights as

57:28

well in the area at that

57:30

time period and there's a police

57:32

report that that stated It

57:34

was observed that in the vicinity of the

57:36

telephonica, there were two large spotlights flying overhead.

57:39

As we headed towards the location along the

57:41

Pago del Sora Road, we stopped at the

57:43

height of the campsite called Los Yucalyptos to

57:45

observe the spotlights. It was observed that the

57:47

spotlights were off and no noise of any

57:50

kind of aircraft in flight could be heard.

57:52

The spotlights immediately went out. This strange light

57:54

reacted to the presence of the presence of

57:56

the officers, turning into a small dim spotlight

57:58

that was almost imperceptible. then heading

58:00

in the direction where they

58:03

had previously been shining from

58:05

the vicinity of telephonica to

58:07

about 500 meters past the

58:09

military base. This could be

58:11

observed for approximately

58:13

60 to 90 seconds. And then

58:15

there's even another thing with

58:17

the witnesses of the initial

58:20

encounter in mid-October of the

58:22

same year, where they saw another

58:24

thing on the same beach with

58:26

the guy, Hazos Burego, the UFO

58:28

Investigator. that they gave

58:30

testimony to this fact on a radio

58:32

program. They saw a couple going down

58:34

to Los Patel's beach, the same beach

58:37

that they had seen previously, and they

58:39

recognized the humanoids that they had seen

58:41

two weeks earlier, and they followed them and

58:44

saw how they disappeared into the sea. So

58:46

this is the thing that I found weird,

58:48

because other than the Dutch engineer angle,

58:50

that's basically the story that Jay

58:52

Jay Bannita's, that that guy was

58:54

saying was in Jay Jay Bannida's

58:57

book. Like, that they came later,

58:59

saw them on the beach, and

59:01

then the beings disappeared into

59:03

the sea. And this is a

59:06

thing that, like, I don't, I don't

59:08

know where, which one is the

59:10

original, you know? I don't know

59:12

what the original account of that

59:15

is, but it comes up

59:17

two different ways. You know? Yeah,

59:19

I know what you mean. I would

59:21

sort of assume. I mean you

59:24

were saying that Benita's claims that

59:26

he was there like the next

59:28

day right like investigating

59:30

things. Yeah and there's inconsistent thing

59:32

later was a couple days after

59:34

that like he was there for

59:37

a little stretch of time right

59:39

right but usually with these

59:41

things it's like if it's like reported

59:44

in like a newspaper I kind of

59:46

take that as the first.

59:48

reporting, you know, I guess

59:50

it just it just depends, you

59:52

know, it really depends. That

59:55

is weird to have

59:57

the inconsistencies in the

59:59

timeline. though and it would

1:00:01

also drive me nuts trying to

1:00:03

figure out what game first because

1:00:05

it's it's not it's it's the

1:00:08

fact that it's the same

1:00:10

story by two different UFO

1:00:12

researchers right one with more detail

1:00:14

than the other and the timeline

1:00:16

it's like it's it's like bafflingly

1:00:19

close yeah and it also does

1:00:21

help that like one of the

1:00:23

people who has more detail has

1:00:26

a tendency to like you know

1:00:28

Steal other people's information

1:00:30

and also I don't

1:00:32

know it just extra details

1:00:34

that are very strange

1:00:37

that you like you said there

1:00:39

you didn't find anything I

1:00:42

mean maybe there's like an

1:00:44

entire fucking like a

1:00:46

big nice juicy set of

1:00:48

context that you just don't

1:00:50

have because it's you know

1:00:53

not on the English web

1:00:55

So that's also the other

1:00:57

problem. There's also, there seem to

1:00:59

be some people that are pushing

1:01:02

the idea that Connell is like

1:01:04

one of those, whatever we called

1:01:06

them, where there's like a

1:01:08

portal there that high strangeness

1:01:10

happens. Sure, it's a, yeah,

1:01:12

okay. Because like, there's some

1:01:15

other stuff that happens since

1:01:17

that people have looked at,

1:01:19

like, there are reports that. people

1:01:21

saw other beings like later like

1:01:23

not not in the same exact

1:01:25

time period like years later in

1:01:27

the same areas and I don't they're

1:01:29

not heavily reported on they're

1:01:32

just like these random websites that kind

1:01:34

of try to tie it all together

1:01:37

into this thing that like Kana is

1:01:39

like a nexus point for the strange

1:01:41

and it's just one of those things

1:01:43

that I don't really know what to

1:01:46

do let me like offer up a

1:01:48

counterpoint to there being nexus points of

1:01:50

the strange Anywhere can

1:01:52

be a nexus of

1:01:54

high strangeness if you

1:01:57

work hard enough at

1:01:59

it. That's my take

1:02:01

that as a little bit

1:02:04

of advice listeners

1:02:06

and What's his name

1:02:08

Benitez? Think about

1:02:11

that? Write that down Yeah

1:02:13

So yeah, that's that's

1:02:16

the basic rundown of

1:02:18

the Conil case or

1:02:20

you know a pretty fun UFO

1:02:23

case from the late 1980s

1:02:25

in Spain. Yeah. And the

1:02:27

first time I've seen another

1:02:29

government that's not the United

1:02:31

States government supposed to get

1:02:33

accused of this information of

1:02:36

this info cover-ups. Yeah. No,

1:02:38

it's interesting. I think I've seen

1:02:40

some of that in like Russia before.

1:02:42

But no, Spain. That's that's that's a

1:02:44

new one. I would. It's one of

1:02:47

those things where like I do wonder how

1:02:49

much of that type of stuff. is

1:02:51

locked behind a language barrier for

1:02:53

us. But it's a good story.

1:02:56

It's also another one of the

1:02:58

stories. It's very funny that it's like,

1:03:00

if you think about it, it's

1:03:02

maybe a 10 minute discussion in reality,

1:03:04

if it weren't for the fact that

1:03:07

this one UFO researcher adds a whole

1:03:09

bunch of layers to it for a

1:03:11

lot of different reasons. It's

1:03:14

one of those things that

1:03:16

very well, probably could have

1:03:18

faded into obscurity. But one guy

1:03:20

has decided and probably I think there's

1:03:22

a couple other people out there that

1:03:25

do talk about this case not just

1:03:27

Benitez, but He's a lynch's really kind

1:03:29

of apps. Yeah, he's really waived this

1:03:32

flag in a way that has made

1:03:34

this case persist You know what God

1:03:36

God bless for the UFO researchers

1:03:39

who are like I am about this

1:03:41

one story big time Mm-hmm. I kind

1:03:43

of get it Yeah, I mean when something

1:03:45

grabs your imagination I

1:03:47

get your imagination I get it true

1:03:49

uh you know then that's that's the

1:03:51

the kind of sincere take on what

1:03:53

happened here and if it happens to

1:03:55

also grab your bank account then so

1:03:57

be it you know that's that's there

1:03:59

you go kind of a nice bonus,

1:04:01

a plus. Yeah. If that book that

1:04:03

you lifted from someone

1:04:06

else's. If that, yeah. Exactly. Oh

1:04:08

man. So at what point, at

1:04:10

what point does, do we, do

1:04:12

we say things that would, would

1:04:14

get us in trouble? I think,

1:04:16

Benita's, you know, if Benita's listens

1:04:19

to this, he knows it's all

1:04:21

in good fun and we're joking.

1:04:23

Yeah, we, we, we, we'll see

1:04:25

him, we'll see him for pool

1:04:27

this weekend. Yeah. So, I guess. That'll

1:04:29

take us to a big question.

1:04:31

There was a big question that

1:04:33

we talked about earlier that you

1:04:35

haven't, I don't know yet. Is

1:04:37

that something that would fit here?

1:04:40

Um, it's not really. Okay. But

1:04:42

it's up to you. I mean,

1:04:44

I'm happy to do it. But

1:04:46

if you have a big question

1:04:48

that you're ready and willing

1:04:50

to serve up piping hot, then I

1:04:52

can do that too. You know what?

1:04:55

Let's just do Jacobs. Let's just do

1:04:57

Jacobs. but it is in the sort

1:04:59

of like cover up. It is, it's,

1:05:01

it's, it's, it's more about, all right,

1:05:03

you know, I'm just gonna fucking read

1:05:06

it, I don't need to preamble.

1:05:08

Since talk of presidents doing

1:05:10

drugs in the White House was

1:05:12

thrown into the ring last episode,

1:05:14

which this is Mary Meyer and

1:05:16

JFK doing weed, doing weed in

1:05:19

the White House supposedly, you've become

1:05:21

president in your first order of

1:05:23

business is to feel good in

1:05:25

the oval office. What drug of

1:05:27

choice real or fictional would you want

1:05:29

to try to ease your diplomatic nerves?

1:05:32

Forgive me if this question has already

1:05:34

been asked. I can't remember. I don't

1:05:36

think so. Jacob says. That's such like

1:05:38

I respect I respect that totally not

1:05:41

laughing at you Jacob. It's just funny

1:05:43

to think someone in our podcast is

1:05:45

like this is listening to our show

1:05:47

is like. Has this been asked before?

1:05:50

I'm not sure. That question? All right.

1:05:52

They end by saying, I'll go first.

1:05:54

I've been watching a lot of Instagram

1:05:56

reels of Skyrim, so I'd try out

1:05:59

some skuma. Hey. I'm sure that saying

1:06:01

that you're watching a lot

1:06:03

of Instagram reels of

1:06:05

Skyrim is revealing about

1:06:07

you as a person, but I

1:06:10

don't know enough about Skyrim to

1:06:12

really like make that call. Yeah,

1:06:14

somehow you have submitted this

1:06:17

question to the two people

1:06:19

who are largely in the nerd

1:06:21

sphere that have not played Skyrim.

1:06:23

But hey, good on you. No,

1:06:26

that's, sorry. Just joking around. I

1:06:28

have an answer for this, I

1:06:30

don't know about you. I'm still

1:06:33

figuring it out, because I, oh,

1:06:35

no, I think, okay, go ahead.

1:06:37

So I'm a huge Philip K.

1:06:39

Dick fan. One might even

1:06:41

call me a dickhead. And

1:06:43

one of my favorites was

1:06:46

the three stigmata of Palmer

1:06:48

Eldridge. And in that book,

1:06:50

they, it's basically, there's so

1:06:52

many things in that

1:06:55

book that are so fucking

1:06:57

bleak. conceits of the book

1:06:59

is that life on earth has

1:07:01

become mostly inhospitable due

1:07:03

to the sun like

1:07:06

basically global warming. And

1:07:08

so people can't like really

1:07:10

live on the surface so much and

1:07:13

if they do go on the

1:07:15

surface they wear these like suits

1:07:17

that like I think like circulate

1:07:19

cool water to keep them

1:07:21

from overheating and then they

1:07:23

mostly live underground and then

1:07:26

a significant amount of the

1:07:28

human population has been sent off

1:07:30

planet. But if you are an

1:07:33

off planet person, you're living, you're

1:07:35

in your fucking destitute, it's a

1:07:37

bad time to live off planet,

1:07:39

you're gotten, you don't have a

1:07:41

lot, shit's terrible off planet. And

1:07:44

so people get into this drug

1:07:46

called candy. C-A-N-D. That's

1:07:49

like, basically

1:07:51

lets you live

1:07:53

your preferred

1:07:56

optimal experience.

1:08:00

Like, okay, let me put it this

1:08:02

way. One of the guys at the

1:08:04

start of the book takes the

1:08:06

drug. And there's also this

1:08:09

whole thing where they like, they

1:08:11

basically like, um, furnish

1:08:13

your space with these like,

1:08:15

these various things to like

1:08:18

enhance the, the drug taking

1:08:20

experience because you

1:08:22

basically are mentally

1:08:24

transported to a world where

1:08:27

you're living, your dream

1:08:29

life. Like the guy takes the

1:08:31

drug while he's like on this horrible

1:08:33

planet that sucks and It may have

1:08:35

been Mars. I can't remember but he

1:08:38

basically is like in his drug trip

1:08:40

He's living in a mansion and he's

1:08:42

like going to beat the beach with

1:08:44

this like beautiful woman that he loves

1:08:47

and stuff and and it's it's all

1:08:49

like fantastic and they like They

1:08:51

there's like a business that will

1:08:53

sell the props that you can

1:08:55

like position in your house for

1:08:57

when you're doing your candy trips

1:08:59

Interesting, okay. It's

1:09:01

really good. I really love that

1:09:04

book. And I'm just sort of

1:09:06

thinking about the native props of

1:09:08

being in the White House, the,

1:09:11

the, the, the, the, the fucking

1:09:13

oval office and all the

1:09:16

shit that's in there. That would

1:09:18

be like great props for

1:09:20

when I'm doing this drug

1:09:22

trip, you know. Yeah, you would see

1:09:24

some real weird shit with all the

1:09:26

like bald eagles. Yeah, bald eagles and

1:09:29

everything. Yeah, exactly. And I'm like fucking,

1:09:31

the ghost of Abraham Lincoln's kind

1:09:33

of coming out of the mirror to give

1:09:35

me advice on like all kinds of shit. I'm

1:09:37

talking to Abe Lincoln and he's, you know,

1:09:39

doffing his cap and you see there's

1:09:41

a big bullet hole in his his

1:09:43

his head and stuff and he's just

1:09:45

he's just spitting wisdom. And that's the

1:09:47

kind of shit I want to experience

1:09:49

I want to experience, I want to

1:09:51

experience, I guess. There you. So I

1:09:54

this this you talking about

1:09:56

that jogged something in

1:09:58

my memory that isn't

1:10:00

actually directly my answer to

1:10:03

this question that I think is funny

1:10:05

so I'm gonna bring it up. Sure.

1:10:07

There is a there's a judge dread

1:10:10

story that I really like where the

1:10:12

crux of the story is this

1:10:14

company makes this candy that's like

1:10:16

so good and so addictive that

1:10:19

it's like actually like ruining people's

1:10:21

lives. and like getting people so

1:10:23

addicted and everything and the the

1:10:25

culmination I was and I started

1:10:27

thinking about that with like getting

1:10:29

fucking Ronald Reagan and his jelly

1:10:32

bellies like to swap out the

1:10:34

jelly bellies with this thing and

1:10:36

then if I remember correctly the

1:10:38

end of that story is Judge

1:10:40

Dread firing the people who make this

1:10:43

candy the person that invented it up

1:10:45

in like sending him on a ship

1:10:47

up to into space to never come

1:10:49

back to earth like he literally is

1:10:51

like you're you're the thing you created

1:10:53

is so dangerous for for humanity oh

1:10:56

my god they plan anything that they

1:10:58

like fire him into space that's so

1:11:00

funny wow but anyway I read some

1:11:02

judge dread Fun enough both of

1:11:05

the things that I thought of

1:11:07

are from various things of Judge

1:11:09

Dread because I I want to

1:11:11

take from the the Alex Garland

1:11:13

Dread movie. There's a drug called

1:11:15

Slomo. Oh my god, right. Yeah

1:11:17

is is just a cinematic device.

1:11:19

It's it's like you get to

1:11:21

enter Snyder time. Yeah, you take

1:11:24

it and everything slows down and

1:11:26

gets sparkily and like really interesting

1:11:28

visually and like allows them just

1:11:30

to like go wild with visual

1:11:32

effects. And but it's also like

1:11:34

a euphoric thing. So I want to

1:11:36

take Slomo and go bowling in the

1:11:38

what in the White House bowling alley,

1:11:41

you know, I think that would be like

1:11:43

I got there's like a there is a

1:11:45

bowling alley there isn't there. Yeah, they

1:11:47

got a bowling alley in a movie theater.

1:11:50

So I think like I would I would take

1:11:52

Slomo and go and just like vibe

1:11:54

in the fucking White House bowling alley.

1:11:56

Okay, I can I can get down

1:11:58

with that. Do you. I think that

1:12:00

if you took Slomo and

1:12:03

watched Zach Snyder's Justice League,

1:12:05

you would like, you'd have

1:12:07

like a mental breakdown because

1:12:09

it felt like you

1:12:11

experienced like a lifetime. You

1:12:13

know, like a full human lifetime.

1:12:16

I honestly would be curious

1:12:18

of taking Slomo makes that

1:12:20

movie go by quicker. I, I, uh,

1:12:22

I'm someone who has unfortunately seen

1:12:24

Batman v Superman twice. Oh

1:12:27

my God. Why did you

1:12:29

do that? One was like a

1:12:31

really early, weirdly enough was a

1:12:33

really early like date night thing

1:12:36

with jewels when you first

1:12:38

started talking. And I had

1:12:40

already watched it because I'm just

1:12:42

like, I was curious and then

1:12:44

I was like, this movie's really

1:12:46

bad. And for some reason, we

1:12:48

decided to watch it again. Wow.

1:12:51

That is a, that is.

1:12:53

Interesting. But that's what you

1:12:55

do when you like, when you like

1:12:57

film. You just watch things. You watch,

1:12:59

if you really, if you really love

1:13:02

film, you're going to be out

1:13:04

there watching Batman v. Superman. Yeah.

1:13:06

Or if you just want to

1:13:08

see the side of Ben Affleck's

1:13:10

butt, you can watch Batman

1:13:12

v. Superman Don of shows.

1:13:14

That's Henry Cavill in Justice

1:13:16

League. I don't remember. I haven't

1:13:18

seen any of these. I've just

1:13:21

heard the stories and it sounds

1:13:23

pretty bad. Yeah, it's not good. I

1:13:25

would take candy to escape watching. Yeah,

1:13:27

there you go. Batman to be

1:13:29

Superman. You put me in front of

1:13:31

that and I'm like, I'm out of here

1:13:33

taking some of this. Dick drug. I

1:13:36

think maybe if you took candy, Zach

1:13:38

Snyder's creative vision would make sense. Maybe.

1:13:40

Maybe. You would be kind of, I

1:13:42

guess the idea would be you'd be

1:13:44

experiencing like a drug doubt optimal version

1:13:47

of the thing that's in front of

1:13:49

you. So it would finally be a good movie.

1:13:51

God, this is just, this isn't relevant

1:13:53

really. That's okay. That's anything. We're

1:13:55

so good at bringing up stuff

1:13:58

that's just not fucking relevant. So

1:14:00

I say go for it. A plot

1:14:02

point of Batman v Superman, Don of

1:14:04

Justice. I think I know what you're

1:14:07

going to say. Lex Luther makes a

1:14:09

Congresswoman, I think, drink piss. Oh. And

1:14:11

it's not really remarked upon, but it's

1:14:13

there if you go back and watch

1:14:16

it. It's really, um, it's interesting. It's

1:14:18

not good. You know, I'm, it's actually

1:14:20

pretty bad. But I guess I do

1:14:22

remember things from it, which is more

1:14:25

than I can say about some movies.

1:14:27

That is some odd choice. But if

1:14:29

you think about it, Lex Luthor was

1:14:31

really helping her to get into a

1:14:34

healthy lifestyle of drinking your own urine,

1:14:36

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1:14:38

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1:14:40

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